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The Late Debate | 24 September · The Late Debate

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  Speaker 1: Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the Light Device Show.
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  Speaker 2: Indeed, we'll have a bit more about that grand final
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  Speaker 2: later on. Good evening. Welcome to the program. I'm Caleb
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  Speaker 2: Bond with Danica DiGiorgio and Lucy Zelich. I've got to say,
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  Speaker 2: I'm really excited for this grand final. Yeah, so am I.
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  Speaker 2: You know, Frio got their shot at winning their first
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  Speaker 2: grand final.
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  Speaker 3: Frio, hey-ho.
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  Speaker 2: You've got Brisbane set up for, you know, trying to
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  Speaker 2: do the three-peat.
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  Speaker 4: Lockie Neal cleared to play.
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  Speaker 2: I know, I know. It's all going to be on
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  Speaker 2: for young and old.
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  Speaker 4: It will be. Here's your tip.
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  Speaker 2: I reckon Brisbane.
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  Speaker 5: I reckon.
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  Speaker 2: I just... I feel like with, you know, they're going
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  Speaker 2: for the three-peat, it could be Fagan's last go at it. Like,
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  Speaker 2: he'll make an assessment... after this grand final, whether he
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  Speaker 2: continues to the end of his contract to the end
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  Speaker 2: of next year, I think they'll be out there to
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  Speaker 2: win it for him. But Friot has also got a
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  Speaker 2: point to prove too.
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  Speaker 6: Well, as a West Coast Eagles supporter, it pains me.
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  Speaker 6: It pains me that the Dockers are in the grand final.
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  Speaker 6: But I'm a proud West Aussie, so go Friot.
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  Speaker 3: I hope they do it. I think it's going to
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  Speaker 3: be a great game.
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  Speaker 2: You're a better person than me, I can tell you.
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  Speaker 2: If Port Adelaide was playing in the grand final, I
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  Speaker 2: would not be barracking the game.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, God.
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  Speaker 2: Diesel prices are the highest they've been since April and
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  Speaker 2: they're predicted to surge back above $ 3 a litre. Is
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  Speaker 2: it time to cut the fuel excise again? We'll have
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  Speaker 2: that debate shortly. Prime Minister Anthony Albanese has announced another
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  Speaker 2: $ 60 million for Ukraine in the war with Russia while
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  Speaker 2: at the UN General Assembly. Is it time to cut
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  Speaker 2: our losses? And an Australian businessman is facing jail in
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  Speaker 2: China after allegedly headbutting a policeman. That's on the front page.
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  Speaker 2: of tomorrow's Australian. But first, big things are happening down
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  Speaker 2: in Victoria. Ben Carroll, of course, is trying to pull
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  Speaker 2: off the unbelievable and win another term for Labor down there.
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  Speaker 2: They've been through Daniel Andrews, they've been through Jacinta Allen,
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  Speaker 2: and now he wants to win an election. Of course,
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  Speaker 2: Jacinta Allen never actually won an election. She was just installed...
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  Speaker 2: after Daniel Andrews won the last one. But he's found
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  Speaker 2: his signature policy to get over the line, open the
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  Speaker 2: pubs until 3am and let the dogs in. Good news for.
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  Speaker 4: This bloke, Huxley.
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  Speaker 7: Our pubs are the heart of our suburbs and towns.
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  Speaker 7: Labor's backing them. Pubs and venues will be able to
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  Speaker 7: stay open until 3am and your dogs can come inside
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  Speaker 7: with you. More late nights, more live gigs and more
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  Speaker 7: local jobs. Only Labor will protect what's great about this state.
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  Speaker 2: Now, currently dogs are banned in pubs under the Food Act.
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  Speaker 2: And what they're saying is that there could be possible
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  Speaker 2: restrictions under these new laws that would be introduced sometime
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  Speaker 2: next year if they win the election to, you know,
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  Speaker 2: not allow them in areas where food are served, etc.
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  Speaker 2: And they would have some kind of trial period. They
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  Speaker 2: would have consultation to work through all of this. kind
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  Speaker 2: of stuff, and I think it was put pretty well
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  Speaker 2: in a press release that was put out by the
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  Speaker 2: Labor Party today. They said the principle is let the
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  Speaker 2: pubs choose, not the bureaucrats. And I think that's fair enough.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, you know, my local in Balmain, here in
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  Speaker 2: the inner west of Sydney, Lucy, is basically dog central.
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  Speaker 2: I go around there, people bring their dogs in, they
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  Speaker 2: sit at the bar, they have a pint, whatever. Doesn't
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  Speaker 2: cause an issue. No-one complains. The dogs are all well-behaved.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not a dog person in particular. I've got two
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  Speaker 2: cats at home. But I think it should just be
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  Speaker 2: up to the pub. If you want to let dogs
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  Speaker 2: in your pub, why shouldn't you be allowed to do so?
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  Speaker 5: Ew.
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  Speaker 2: Sorry.
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  Speaker 4: I'm sorry. I'm so grossed out by the idea of
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  Speaker 4: going to a venue to eat a meal and to
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  Speaker 4: then have to deal with a dog potentially evacuating its
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  Speaker 4: bowels next to me because it's a senior dog and
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  Speaker 4: it can't control them and now you're dealing with all
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  Speaker 4: of this, right? I find it so repulsive, the idea
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  Speaker 4: of sitting near animals while I'm at a venue where
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  Speaker 4: food is being served. And I take your points. It's fine.
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  Speaker 4: You've gone to these establishments where there's been no issue.
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  Speaker 4: But that's not to say that there could never be
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  Speaker 4: an issue, right? Take away the issues of hygiene and,
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  Speaker 4: you know, these airborne contaminants that these animals carry on
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  Speaker 4: their fur, potentially going into your food and then, you know,
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  Speaker 4: it being a biohazard problem. You've also got the safety
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  Speaker 4: issues as well, right? In a pub, it's quite loud.
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  Speaker 4: A couple of the lads, they're getting on the gas.
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  Speaker 4: They're getting a bit excitable. What if that's a problem
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  Speaker 4: for these dogs and they start to get out of control?
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  Speaker 4: They're unpredictable, the threat to children. What do you do
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  Speaker 4: if you're the owner of one of these pubs and
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  Speaker 4: a dog bites a fellow patron or a child or
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  Speaker 4: causes grave injury? You've got that issue as well. So
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  Speaker 4: for me, the ultimate, the penultimate question is all of this.
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  Speaker 4: Why should the preferences of a dog owner outweigh those
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  Speaker 4: of the human beings who are actually going to this
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  Speaker 4: pub for the very enjoyment and the expectation that they're
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  Speaker 4: there to go and have a meal? and for it
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  Speaker 4: to be dog free. And as a final point, if
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  Speaker 4: you're a business in Victoria who are already being taxed
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  Speaker 4: through the eyeballs, right, red tape through the wazoo, you're
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  Speaker 4: dealing with business closures as it stands, are you going
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  Speaker 4: to put yourself in a situation now where you're potentially
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  Speaker 4: cutting off some patrons who won't want to go potentially
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  Speaker 4: because of the safety issues, maybe they've got allergies, or
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  Speaker 4: who just feel like if I want to go to
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  Speaker 4: a pub or if I want to hang out with dogs,
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  Speaker 4: I'll go to the dog park.
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  Speaker 3: What about if it was confined to a beer garden?
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  Speaker 4: I don't mind them being outside. Or assistance dogs, right?
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  Speaker 4: We completely allow for that in all areas and aspects
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  Speaker 4: of life. But to be inside? I mean, what's the
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  Speaker 4: point of all of this? Doesn't this just feel like
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  Speaker 4: vote-grabbing to you?
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  Speaker 3: No, look, I mean, I.
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  Speaker 6: I actually think that this is a very smart policy
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  Speaker 6: and it should have happened a long time ago.
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  Speaker 3: Two parts.
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  Speaker 6: One, I absolutely think that nightlife needs to be extended
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  Speaker 6: to 3am.
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  Speaker 3: Well, that I don't have a problem with.
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  Speaker 6: That's one part of this because I feel so sorry
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  Speaker 6: for the hospitality industry.
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  Speaker 3: Who have been punished year on year.
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  Speaker 6: The nightlife is dead, though I will say I feel
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  Speaker 6: like Melbourne nightlife in general is much better than Sydney nightlife,
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  Speaker 6: and I wish that Sydney had a lot more better
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  Speaker 6: laws when it came to being able to open late
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  Speaker 6: at night.
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  Speaker 3: But honestly.
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  Speaker 4: Are you bringing Fido with you?
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  Speaker 2: I don't have a.
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  Speaker 3: Problem with that.
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  Speaker 6: I do not have an issue because I feel like,
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  Speaker 6: and I can only speak to places that I go,
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  Speaker 6: if I'm out for breakfast, I see dogs at the
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  Speaker 6: cafes I go to all the time.
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  Speaker 4: Inside.
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  Speaker 3: Inside.
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  Speaker 6: I do see them inside. For me, it personally doesn't
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  Speaker 6: bother me. It would only become a problem if that
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  Speaker 6: little bugger starts barking and driving me insane. But in
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  Speaker 6: that case, it is personal responsibility for the dog owner
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  Speaker 6: to remove that dog from the venue.
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  Speaker 4: So what if they don't? You know, because a lot of...
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  Speaker 4: I've got kids and I'm the first to put my
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  Speaker 4: hand up and say that... There are a lot of
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  Speaker 4: people who don't like kids. So I'm not one of
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  Speaker 4: those arrogant parents that expects everyone to tolerate my children
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  Speaker 4: if they're acting up in public. They'll be pulled into line.
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  Speaker 4: But there are some dog owners who genuinely believe that they're...
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  Speaker 4: And no judgment, right?
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  Speaker 3: I've got a sister.
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  Speaker 4: She's also got two cats. Absolutely adores her. I'm an
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  Speaker 4: animal lover.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: But I just don't find it appropriate in public. But
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  Speaker 4: what if you've got a dog owner who is arrogant,
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  Speaker 4: who doesn't give a stuff.
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  Speaker 3: That the dog's sniffing around you and your food? Couldn't
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  Speaker 3: the business then put the rules on the table?
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  Speaker 2: Correctly, because you're running a licensed venue. You can kick
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  Speaker 2: people out of a licensed venue and if they disobey
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  Speaker 2: your orders, you call the police.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, but why do you draw the line?
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  Speaker 2: I've just never seen it being an issue. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: you say it's pandering to the preferences of... of dog
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  Speaker 2: owners as opposed to human beings. What about the preferences
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  Speaker 2: of the venue owner? I mean, it's their business. Why
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  Speaker 2: should the law dictate to a business owner how they
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  Speaker 2: run their establishment?
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  Speaker 4: I don't think it's smart business. That's just personally how
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  Speaker 4: I feel. I don't feel that if you are a
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  Speaker 4: business in today's economy, which is already struggling as it is,
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  Speaker 4: It's smart to put yourself in a scenario where people
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  Speaker 4: could be turned off by coming to your business.
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  Speaker 2: But that's the choice of the business owner. So why
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  Speaker 2: should the law tell them you can't make that decision
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  Speaker 2: for yourself?
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  Speaker 4: Because I think it actually, it opens up a can
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  Speaker 4: of worms for the aforementioned reasons, the issues of health regulations.
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  Speaker 4: So what are you now going to do if one
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  Speaker 4: of your patrons or several of your patrons ends up
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  Speaker 4: feeling very sick because they've had an airborne contaminant from
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  Speaker 4: one of these animals that's been licking itself for or,
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  Speaker 4: you know, some of their fur has gotten into your food,
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  Speaker 4: what do you do then? What are your legal and
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  Speaker 4: liability issues like? What if one of the animals ends
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  Speaker 4: up biting someone while you're in there? You're saying it's
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  Speaker 4: not been an issue for you, but that's not to
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  Speaker 4: say that it couldn't be an issue or hasn't been
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  Speaker 4: an issue.
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  Speaker 2: But what if someone walks into your venue with a
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  Speaker 2: disease and then spreads that to the next person? A
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  Speaker 2: human being can do that. It happens all the time. Yes.
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  Speaker 2: Are you liable for that?
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  Speaker 4: No, you're not, because we as business owners, we are,
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  Speaker 4: and as human beings, we are accustomed to the fact
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  Speaker 4: that we... are used to going to businesses where human
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  Speaker 4: beings are going to be. We're not used to going
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  Speaker 4: to businesses, particularly where there's food consumption, where you're expecting
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  Speaker 4: there to be animals around you.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know. I sat last weekend and had my
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  Speaker 2: Sunday roast at the London Hotel in Balmain and there
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  Speaker 2: was a dog at the next table. I didn't think
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  Speaker 2: anything of it. I mean, maybe it's because I have pets,
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  Speaker 2: but when I eat at home, my cats are in
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  Speaker 2: the house. I don't think anything of it.
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  Speaker 6: You know, even going to shopping centres sometimes, you see
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  Speaker 6: women with the dogs in their handbags now.
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  Speaker 3: It's become almost like a fashion thing. That's a bit pathetic.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know why. It's cute. I'll put it to
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  Speaker 2: you then.
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  Speaker 4: Is it going to be cute if one of the
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  Speaker 4: dogs is evacuating its bowels next to you accidentally while
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  Speaker 4: you're having a meal? Is that cute?
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  Speaker 2: Well, kids do that too, don't they?
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  Speaker 3: I think that kids are grots. But in their nappies.
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  Speaker 3: Kids are grots though.
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  Speaker 4: But in their nappies.
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  Speaker 3: I look at some kids. But they're human beings.
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  Speaker 4: I look at the kids, right?
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  Speaker 3: I sit and look at kids at dinner tables.
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  Speaker 6: If I'm out at a restaurant, right, these kids are
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  Speaker 6: so grotty and so naughty that sometimes I'm tearing my
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  Speaker 6: hair out so I don't really know what the difference
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  Speaker 6: would be then.
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  Speaker 4: But they're human beings. What dog does a human being sound?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, but they're grotty.
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  Speaker 4: What do you mean, what dog does a turd inside?
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  Speaker 4: I know one of my neighbour's dogs who frequently goes
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  Speaker 4: to the bathroom inside their home because it hasn't been
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  Speaker 4: trained well enough.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, well, that's a problem for young people.
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  Speaker 6: There needs to be an element of personal responsibility, but
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  Speaker 6: it is also up to the venue, the business owners,
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  Speaker 6: to make a decision.
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  Speaker 3: As to what suits them. But I do believe that
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  Speaker 3: there is a.
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  Speaker 6: Need or a want in some areas or some venues
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  Speaker 6: to be able to have dogs inside.
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  Speaker 2: There is.
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  Speaker 4: People love dogs.
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  Speaker 2: Woof, woof. LAUGHTER Woof, woof, all right.
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  Speaker 4: Bark me out of here then. I'm the only one.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, bark me out of here. That's it.
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  Speaker 2: All right.
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  Speaker 6: Now, look, if you've filled up recently your car with petrol,
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  Speaker 6: I'm sure you have noticed that the price of fuel
• 10:25
  Speaker 6: has surged once again. This week the average is $ 2. 27
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  Speaker 6: around the country and there are fears that it could
• 10:31
  Speaker 6: push past $ 3 per.
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  Speaker 3: Litre for diesel.
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  Speaker 6: Now, you might remember that when fuel went up a
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  Speaker 6: couple of months ago back in April, Labor introduced a 32%
• 10:41
  Speaker 6: litre excise tax. cut and then halved it to 16
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  Speaker 6: cents per litre in July. But they've now ruled out
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  Speaker 6: making it permanent. Angus Taylor and the Coalition have decided
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  Speaker 6: that they want to put together a plan to halve
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  Speaker 6: the fuel excise if international oil prices remain high for
• 11:00
  Speaker 6: more than two weeks. So this would apply when the
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  Speaker 6: international oil price remains above 100 US dollars a barrel
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  Speaker 6: for more than two weeks. But it's prompted a lot
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  Speaker 6: of criticism about policy.
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  Speaker 4: Is it a bit rich for you to criticise One
• 11:17
  Speaker 4: Nation on its superannuation policy and say it's inflationary but
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  Speaker 4: somehow your fuel excise policy wouldn't be?
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  Speaker 8: No, because we have offsets. That's the key difference. One Nation,
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  Speaker 8: of course, has put out their policy, which is, simply
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  Speaker 8: to stoke the volume of money supply to purchase.
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  Speaker 2: Goods and services in the economy.
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  Speaker 8: What we've done is said, well, we'll raise additional tax
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  Speaker 8: revenue through our tobacco tax regime. We're going to take
• 11:42
  Speaker 8: money off organised crime and provide temporary tax cuts for
• 11:49
  Speaker 8: fuel when it reaches a certain price due to international factors.
• 11:53
  Speaker 6: Look, I think in the first instance when fuel prices
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  Speaker 6: did go up a couple of months back when the
• 11:58
  Speaker 6: Iran war started, I think Labor was indeed right to
• 12:01
  Speaker 6: cut the fuel excise. The problem with Labor is that
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  Speaker 6: they were dragged kicking and screaming into doing so.
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  Speaker 3: They wasted so much time.
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  Speaker 6: Anthony Albanese went on his begging tour of, was it
• 12:10
  Speaker 6: in Asia? He went on that tour of Asia. He
• 12:13
  Speaker 6: released that advertisement, remember, saying to us, don't put roof
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  Speaker 6: racks on your car because that might weigh it down
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  Speaker 6: and therefore you'll use up more fuel. And then they
• 12:21
  Speaker 6: even said that we might go into fuel rationing because
• 12:24
  Speaker 6: we just don't have enough supplies of it. I think
• 12:27
  Speaker 6: Labor was right in the first instance definitely to cut
• 12:29
  Speaker 6: the fuel excise. And, look, I do back this plan
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  Speaker 6: by the Coalition, but the problem.
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  Speaker 3: Is we need to shore up our fuel supply.
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  Speaker 6: That is the critical issue here is that we do
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  Speaker 6: not have the amount of fuel, which we should have
• 12:42
  Speaker 6: the amount of fuel, and that's the critical problem here.
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  Speaker 3: But I don't, you know, if we're.
• 12:47
  Speaker 6: Asking the question, should we cut the fuel excise in
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  Speaker 6: order to help people save money, In the first instance,
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  Speaker 6: I think it was the right decision.
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  Speaker 4: In this instance, you also think it's the right decision? No,
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  Speaker 4: I don't think.
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  Speaker 3: I think we shouldn't cut it again.
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  Speaker 4: Oh, you do?
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  Speaker 3: Great, but I don't think we should cut it again.
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  Speaker 8: Why?
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  Speaker 6: Because I worry about the long-term impacts of it being
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  Speaker 6: a Band-Aid solution and what it could do to inflation.
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  Speaker 2: OK, so if the issue is inflation, we're talking about tax.
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  Speaker 2: So the money exists either in your pocket... or it
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  Speaker 2: exists in the government's pocket because you've given it to
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  Speaker 2: them via tax. You can spend it out of your pocket.
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  Speaker 3: That's true.
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  Speaker 2: Government can spend it out of their pocket. what's the
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  Speaker 2: inflation problem? Because the government is going to spend it.
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  Speaker 2: So it's a question of who spends it, consumer, government.
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  Speaker 2: I'd rather the consumer spent it.
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  Speaker 4: So in 24-25, the fuel excise raised $ 24. 6 billion in
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  Speaker 4: revenue for the government, right? This is something that's very
• 13:41
  Speaker 4: important to them. I have always been against the fuel excise.
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  Speaker 4: I think in the first stages I could see it
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  Speaker 4: made sense. I was supportive of it. And Australians, everyday
• 13:52
  Speaker 4: Australians are already struggling as it is. And there seemed
• 13:55
  Speaker 4: to be this sense that this was only a temporary
• 13:57
  Speaker 4: measure because the war in Iran was only temporary, right? Now,
• 14:00
  Speaker 4: this has been going on for months now and it's
• 14:02
  Speaker 4: something that is very much on the nose, not just
• 14:04
  Speaker 4: with the Americans over there who didn't vote for this,
• 14:07
  Speaker 4: but globally now. Everyone is feeling this through their supply chains.
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  Speaker 4: The biggest issue that I have with this is that
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  Speaker 4: it's almost... And I'm not an economist, right? I pay
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  Speaker 4: very close attention to what is being said, the impacts
• 14:18
  Speaker 4: that it could potentially have on inflation. But chief among them,
• 14:21
  Speaker 4: so much of the feedback has always been if there
• 14:24
  Speaker 4: is a supply issue, Economics 101 says you don't lower
• 14:27
  Speaker 4: the cost of it. And we are steering down the barrel.
• 14:30
  Speaker 4: of scarcity, right? Particularly in fuel rationing, particularly with respect
• 14:34
  Speaker 4: to diesel, which we know powers this economy. We rely
• 14:37
  Speaker 4: so heavily on imported diesel in this country to power
• 14:41
  Speaker 4: things like our manufacturing, also agriculture, mining, our freight and
• 14:48
  Speaker 4: transport right around the country. So now we're looking at,
• 14:51
  Speaker 4: we heard they're over $ 100 US a barrel. Brent crude oil,
• 14:55
  Speaker 4: now it's surged by 3%. We're looking at over $ 106
• 14:58
  Speaker 4: a barrel Saul Kovonik, who spoke earlier with Peter Credlin
• 15:03
  Speaker 4: on air, he's fantastic.
• 15:04
  Speaker 3: He's very good.
• 15:05
  Speaker 4: Energy Research over at MST, he's talking about we could
• 15:09
  Speaker 4: be looking at potentially $ 4 a litre.
• 15:12
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 15:12
  Speaker 4: So this is a real problem. And we can sift
• 15:14
  Speaker 4: back through the sands of time and raise complaints about
• 15:17
  Speaker 4: the fact that we've only got two oil refineries left.
• 15:20
  Speaker 4: I know that Anthony Albanese has made this, and I
• 15:22
  Speaker 4: think it's a superficial gesture to look at, you know,
• 15:26
  Speaker 4: exploring potentially developing another oil refinery over in Karratha. He
• 15:30
  Speaker 4: paid $ 4 million for that report that both he and
• 15:34
  Speaker 4: the Roger Cook government have invested time and energy into.
• 15:37
  Speaker 4: I don't know how much of it is going to come...
• 15:39
  Speaker 4: to any form of something tangible for the Australian public
• 15:43
  Speaker 4: we know is against oil and that they're pro all-in renewables.
• 15:48
  Speaker 4: But it doesn't serve us to look back and say, well,
• 15:50
  Speaker 4: we should have invested more in this and our energy
• 15:52
  Speaker 4: supply because we are where we are, right? But one
• 15:56
  Speaker 4: of the fundamental pillars of right-wing politics has always been
• 16:02
  Speaker 4: about being conservative with your money. Right. And I think
• 16:05
  Speaker 4: that the Coalition are now in a situation where they
• 16:07
  Speaker 4: are desperate to try and get their necks above One Nation,
• 16:11
  Speaker 4: to look like they're developing something and tangible policy to
• 16:14
  Speaker 4: cut through to the Australian people. And for as conservative
• 16:18
  Speaker 4: as we all can be, unfortunately, when people go to
• 16:20
  Speaker 4: the ballot box, they're not voting for someone that's saying,
• 16:23
  Speaker 4: tighten up your belts. We need to look at the
• 16:25
  Speaker 4: long term planning, which is what I'm advocating for. they're
• 16:29
  Speaker 4: voting for the guy that says, we're going to give
• 16:31
  Speaker 4: you something for free and make it cheaper. And right now...
• 16:34
  Speaker 4: Do you think that works?
• 16:36
  Speaker 2: But is it not also a pretty standard pillar of
• 16:40
  Speaker 2: the Liberal belief, and I say Liberal in terms of
• 16:42
  Speaker 2: the party sense in this country, that taxes ought to
• 16:44
  Speaker 2: be lower?
• 16:45
  Speaker 4: Of course taxes ought to be like that.
• 16:47
  Speaker 2: Well, there you go.
• 16:47
  Speaker 4: That's what we're talking about.
• 16:48
  Speaker 3: No, no, no, no.
• 16:49
  Speaker 4: But this is a sugar hit, right? This is a
• 16:51
  Speaker 4: sugar hit. So we're already.
• 16:52
  Speaker 2: It's not a sugar hit.
• 16:53
  Speaker 3: No, it's a sugar hit.
• 16:54
  Speaker 2: It's money that is being taken from you by the
• 16:56
  Speaker 2: government and the proposal is the government takes less money
• 16:59
  Speaker 2: from you.
• 17:00
  Speaker 4: OK, but now we're in over a trillion dollars of debt. Right,
• 17:03
  Speaker 4: and we're looking at the revenue... So we need more taxes.
• 17:05
  Speaker 3: No, no, no, but the.
• 17:06
  Speaker 2: More taxes, more government spending.
• 17:06
  Speaker 4: No, but the revenue, Caleb, that is generated, I said
• 17:09
  Speaker 4: to you there, $ 24. 6 billion in revenue, right? So now
• 17:13
  Speaker 4: when we're in a trillion dollars of debt and we're
• 17:15
  Speaker 4: looking to cut back on more taxes, I agree with you,
• 17:18
  Speaker 4: a conservative government is about lowering taxes, but unfortunately we've
• 17:22
  Speaker 4: had successive governments... that have plunged us into that much
• 17:25
  Speaker 4: debt economically now, that to do this and to expect
• 17:29
  Speaker 4: that this is not going to have an impact down
• 17:31
  Speaker 4: the track, whether that be inflationary... Bear in mind the
• 17:33
  Speaker 4: RBA is saying that, you know, government spending has been
• 17:36
  Speaker 4: an issue. I take your points, but we're also considering....
• 17:43
  Speaker 2: Cut taxes and cut spending.
• 17:45
  Speaker 3: And I guess I look back at, say, what happened
• 17:47
  Speaker 3: with the energy.
• 17:48
  Speaker 4: So cut government spending.
• 17:49
  Speaker 2: Well, I look.
• 17:50
  Speaker 6: Back at what happened with the energy subsidy that Labor
• 17:52
  Speaker 6: rolled out, right, when we all got that hit of
• 17:56
  Speaker 6: lower power bills.
• 17:57
  Speaker 3: We're going to give you this one-off subsidy.
• 17:59
  Speaker 6: And that was a very good way to trick the
• 18:02
  Speaker 6: RBA into thinking that Labor has got a hold of
• 18:05
  Speaker 6: the economy. It was a very smart politics by Labor.
• 18:09
  Speaker 4: It was trickery.
• 18:09
  Speaker 6: It was trickery, completely tricked. It tricked the RBA into thinking,
• 18:13
  Speaker 6: yet we've got a hold of inflation.
• 18:14
  Speaker 3: And so naturally.
• 18:16
  Speaker 6: When those energy subsidies petered out, what happened?
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: Boom.
• 18:20
  Speaker 6: Your energy bills went back up and inflation naturally soared
• 18:24
  Speaker 6: and that was always going to be the case.
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: Yes, but that was a subsidy as opposed to a
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: tax cut.
• 18:30
  Speaker 4: But it's not a long-term solution.
• 18:32
  Speaker 3: But the point is, I think we're just talking about.
• 18:34
  Speaker 4: It's not a long-term solution.
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: Oh, I think it should be. They should abolish fuel exports.
• 18:37
  Speaker 4: Oh, fine.
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: Get rid of the... That's my point.
• 18:39
  Speaker 4: If you want to get rid of the excise long-term,
• 18:42
  Speaker 4: now we're talking. Now we're actually talking. I'm on board.
• 18:44
  Speaker 4: But if you're just doing this as a quick sugar
• 18:46
  Speaker 4: hit and it's just going to go back up again
• 18:47
  Speaker 4: in a few months, I mean, what's the point? And
• 18:49
  Speaker 4: then you've got people who are filling up at the bowser.
• 18:51
  Speaker 4: I remember standing next to a guy who said,'' Oh,
• 18:54
  Speaker 4: this is the second time I've been here this week.''
• 18:56
  Speaker 4: Because he's just topping it up every single time.
• 18:58
  Speaker 6: It's time to start protecting our resources that we've got
• 19:00
  Speaker 6: in this country. We've got to start shoring it up
• 19:03
  Speaker 6: our resources.
• 19:04
  Speaker 4: I couldn't agree more. But that's a long-term solution. It's
• 19:07
  Speaker 4: not a short-term one, unfortunately. Alright, how about this? For
• 19:11
  Speaker 4: something a bit more light-hearted and interesting. You're not going
• 19:13
  Speaker 4: to believe it. How offensive are cartoons to you? Well,
• 19:16
  Speaker 4: if you're an AFL club, they're particularly offensive because there's
• 19:19
  Speaker 4: been a hilarious story. You might be familiar with him,
• 19:21
  Speaker 4: the legendary Herald Sun cartoonist, Mark Knight has quite literally
• 19:25
  Speaker 4: had to go back to the drawing board after the
• 19:28
  Speaker 4: Fremantle Dockers asked to de-warfy his original design for their
• 19:33
  Speaker 4: 2026 premiership. A poster of the original design showed a
• 19:36
  Speaker 4: muscle bound, and you can see there, we're showing photographs
• 19:38
  Speaker 4: of it now, a real man, full of masculinity. But
• 19:44
  Speaker 4: apparently it was all too much. They felt, the Dockers did,
• 19:48
  Speaker 4: they felt that the fierce masculinity of the design didn't
• 19:51
  Speaker 4: align with the club's alternative hipster image of Fremantle. You'll
• 19:56
  Speaker 4: be able to weigh in on this, Danika.
• 19:58
  Speaker 5: Mm.
• 19:58
  Speaker 4: And requested that Knight give it the heave-ho and, quote,
• 20:01
  Speaker 4: tone down the scary macho wharfie image into something less intimidating. Danika,
• 20:08
  Speaker 4: as a Perth girl, you know what it's like out there.
• 20:11
  Speaker 4: And I'll tell you now, I feel you and I
• 20:12
  Speaker 4: are quite similar in this belief. We love our men
• 20:15
  Speaker 4: to be men.
• 20:16
  Speaker 3: Thank you.
• 20:17
  Speaker 4: Was this offensive to you?
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: No.
• 20:18
  Speaker 3: I'm all for a manly man. Bring it on. Have
• 20:22
  Speaker 3: either of you ever been to Fremantle before?
• 20:24
  Speaker 4: I've been to Perth and I didn't spend too much
• 20:26
  Speaker 4: time in Fremantle.
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: What do they look like? I haven't made it to Fremantle.
• 20:29
  Speaker 3: They are very hipster.
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 20:30
  Speaker 6: It's a different world out in Fremantle, put it that way.
• 20:33
  Speaker 3: And look, Fremantle is beautiful. Great restaurants.
• 20:35
  Speaker 6: I am not dissing Fremantle. I think it's a really
• 20:37
  Speaker 6: great place.
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: Since America's Cup, it's been heavily gentrified, right?
• 20:42
  Speaker 6: Oh, absolutely. So there are a lot of hipsters there.
• 20:45
  Speaker 6: It's one of those inclusive suburbs. It is the new town.
• 20:49
  Speaker 6: If you live in Sydney, it is the new town
• 20:52
  Speaker 6: of Perth. Anything goes in Fremantle. So that's probably where
• 20:58
  Speaker 6: this idea came from of we couldn't possibly have a
• 21:01
  Speaker 6: manly man because there'll be people on the left. people
• 21:04
  Speaker 6: in Fremantle who would be highly offended by this. We're
• 21:07
  Speaker 6: talking a very green area, a greeny kind of area,
• 21:10
  Speaker 6: that would be very offended by this. Now, I would
• 21:12
  Speaker 6: ask the question, if, say, for instance, this was going
• 21:15
  Speaker 6: back to play in the 1990s, do you think people
• 21:17
  Speaker 6: like Gary Ablett, for example, would go out and.
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: Say, I'm offended.
• 21:21
  Speaker 6: Don't call me a manly man. I mean, seriously, is
• 21:24
  Speaker 6: this where we've actually come to today? And I really
• 21:27
  Speaker 6: worry it is the influence of the left who have
• 21:29
  Speaker 6: this obsession with, toxic masculinity and and that all men
• 21:33
  Speaker 6: should never look manly and we are actually stripping men
• 21:37
  Speaker 6: of their masculinity and that is dangerous in itself we're
• 21:40
  Speaker 6: telling men you're not allowed to be a man you've
• 21:43
  Speaker 6: got to tone it down because you know it's not
• 21:45
  Speaker 6: good for women give me a break.
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: The whole thing is bizarre uh here is the cartoonist
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: himself mark nart explaining this whole saga.
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: There's always a couple little edits with the posters when
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: they have to be approved by the afl and the
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: clubs and They came back to me and said, I
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: had the three-finger salute for the three-peat, and they said
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: to me, no, no, you can't do that.
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: I went, why not?
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: They said, that salute is from the movie The Hunger Games,
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: and it's given at funerals, farewelling a dead person. I
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: didn't see that coming. I draw the poster on prelim
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: final weekend, and this year I draw on a beautiful big,
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: big wharf-y docker, and it came back from the club
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: that they weren't happy. They didn't like it.
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: It didn't fit with their new.
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: sort of non-toxic masculinity feeling at the club. It was
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: too aggro. They said, we prefer something that fits with
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: who we are now. We sort of appeal to the
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: sort of hipster, man bun, long hair, nose ring. Can
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: you do that? And I was like, man, I was blindsided.
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: OK.
• 22:43
  Speaker 3: Oh, poor man.
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: So, you know, Fremantle Dockers... Why are they called the Dockers?
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: Because it's a bloody wharf town, right? That's why they're
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: the Dockers. They promote, Fremantle promotes itself and they've had,
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: you know, the signs up going at Optus Stadium, wharf-y time.
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: They're saying, you know, this weekend it's going to be
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: wharf-y time. So they're all in on the wharf-y heritage
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: of the club and Fremantle. until someone gets drawn up
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: as a wharfie, like, you know, just a traditional wharfie.
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: And it's like, oh, no, no, no, we couldn't possibly
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: have that. I mean, it's just so precious, isn't it?
• 23:24
  Speaker 4: It's dumb, is actually what it is. I feel all
• 23:27
  Speaker 4: the more stupid for having to observe all of this
• 23:30
  Speaker 4: and to even have to comment on it. And I
• 23:31
  Speaker 4: actually feel sorry for Mark Knight. He is a legendary
• 23:35
  Speaker 4: cartoonist and has produced some fabulous material throughout the years.
• 23:39
  Speaker 4: But that we are now looking at this and saying
• 23:43
  Speaker 4: that doesn't represent a masculine looking man is not a
• 23:48
  Speaker 4: good representation of men. And that what a better representation is,
• 23:53
  Speaker 4: is a guy with a man bum that looks less
• 23:55
  Speaker 4: intimidating and less terrifying. I mean, give me a break.
• 23:59
  Speaker 4: You know, I've often said we need to make men
• 24:02
  Speaker 4: great again. Right. where we allow them to lean into
• 24:05
  Speaker 4: their masculine, for women to lean into their feminine, and
• 24:08
  Speaker 4: for these gender roles, I know that will upset the,
• 24:10
  Speaker 4: you know, the rainbow family, but for these gender roles
• 24:14
  Speaker 4: not to be demonised, right? For, you know, men who
• 24:18
  Speaker 4: are masculine not to suddenly be portrayed as these predators
• 24:21
  Speaker 4: who need to be watered down and minimised. And I
• 24:24
  Speaker 4: just think it's more virtue signalling from the AFL, isn't it?
• 24:28
  Speaker 6: But I honestly think it's dangerous to tell men don't
• 24:30
  Speaker 6: be men. And that's just, it's something that the left
• 24:34
  Speaker 6: have peddled and it's come from, in my view, the
• 24:36
  Speaker 6: Me Too movement.
• 24:37
  Speaker 3: The Me Too movement has killed men.
• 24:40
  Speaker 4: But they're terrified now, you know, to the point where,
• 24:43
  Speaker 4: and I've had conversations with colleagues or just friends of
• 24:45
  Speaker 4: mine who will say that, you know, a colleague had
• 24:48
  Speaker 4: said to me that I looked really nice and he
• 24:49
  Speaker 4: quickly walked it back because he thought I could be
• 24:51
  Speaker 4: perceived as being offensive. I had a beautiful man ask
• 24:54
  Speaker 4: me the other day, oh, is it okay if I
• 24:56
  Speaker 4: give you a hug? And I'm European, I'm a hugger.
• 24:59
  Speaker 4: Come on in here, you know. And I just, I thought,
• 25:01
  Speaker 4: what have we done?
• 25:02
  Speaker 3: What have we done?
• 25:03
  Speaker 4: The pendulum has swung way too far to the point
• 25:05
  Speaker 4: now where men are even too scared to approach a
• 25:08
  Speaker 4: woman or to lean into their masculinity for fear of
• 25:11
  Speaker 4: being demonised.
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: I had recently a female colleague said, oh, is a
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: hug OK? Of course a hug is OK. She said, oh,
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: I hugged someone else recently and there was a complaint made.
• 25:21
  Speaker 4: Stop!
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: Oh, it's not too far. And not by either of
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: the people involved.
• 25:27
  Speaker 4: Someone observing it?
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: That's what I was told. Anyway, it's just bizarre stuff.
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: But I reckon they should take that cartoon down. and
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: show it to a real wharfie and see what he
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: has to say. Tom tells me the members of the
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: MWA wouldn't have been terribly offended by the first article. Now,
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: of course, we know the Prime Minister has been over
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: at the UN General Assembly. He's been accepting his awards
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: as a global citizen. One of the other things he's
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: done while he's over there is catch up with the
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: President of Ukraine, Vladimir Zelensky. Here they are. First of all,
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: I'm very thankful to.
• 26:02
  Speaker 9: personally, and.
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: We have very good relations. I'm very thankful to you,
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: to your people, people of Australia and your team. Thank
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: you for such great support from the very beginning of
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: this war.
• 26:14
  Speaker 8: Australian people always been on the side of Ukraine, politically, geopolitically,
• 26:19
  Speaker 8: always stood with us. Thank you very much.
• 26:22
  Speaker 9: And today, we signed it.
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: I think that the strongest document will be in our countries. Jesus,
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: doesn't the Prime Minister look there? That was awful. It's
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: a pretty awkward sort of scene. Anyway, we have committed,
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: and I say we, Australia, via the Prime Minister, has
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: committed another $ 60 million worth of funding and support for
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: Ukraine over the next 10 years. This is a bilateral
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: security agreement. It includes $ 45 million in ADF funds. equipment,
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: which is kind of strange because didn't we have all
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: those bushmasters that we decided to bury instead of sending
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: them over to Ukraine? We've committed $ 10 million in energy
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: support funding, $ 5 million in humanitarian assistance, and that takes
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: our total contribution since the war started in 2022 to
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: $ 1. 9 billion. I suppose it begs the question of whether
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: or not it's really our place to continue doing this.
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: I'm kind of on the fence about it because, you know,
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: I don't want to see a situation in which Ukraine
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: is totally abandoned, but also this war has to end.
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: And at some point you've got to ask the question,
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: you know, what is the return on this? There needs
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: to be some sort of negotiated end to this war
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: and that will unfortunately mean that Ukraine will have to
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: concede something. Both sides will have to concede something. But unfortunately,
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: Ukraine will have to concede something. It is a modest
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: contribution in the context of what we have done previously.
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: But how long does this keep going on where young men,
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: Russian and Ukrainian, get put through the woodchipper of war
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: and we just keep funding it with no end in sight?
• 28:08
  Speaker 4: I think beautifully summed up there, by the way, this
• 28:11
  Speaker 4: war certainly does need to come to an end. So
• 28:13
  Speaker 4: many lives already lost. It's reportedly, I was looking at
• 28:16
  Speaker 4: data earlier this afternoon, reportedly it's costing the Ukraine $ 190
• 28:20
  Speaker 4: million a day. And that literally, right? And it's costing
• 28:24
  Speaker 4: Russia billions and billions of dollars already as it stands.
• 28:28
  Speaker 4: And that's notwithstanding now, particularly with respect to the Ukraine situation.
• 28:31
  Speaker 4: the billions of dollars that is going to need to
• 28:33
  Speaker 4: be poured into fixing their infrastructure and building the country
• 28:37
  Speaker 4: back up again, right? But we're talking about hundreds of
• 28:40
  Speaker 4: billions of dollars that have been plundered to the Ukraine
• 28:43
  Speaker 4: in these efforts since the war broke out in 2022.
• 28:46
  Speaker 4: This opens up a much broader scope for me in
• 28:49
  Speaker 4: the sense that, and I know that the term nationalism
• 28:51
  Speaker 4: has become a dirty word these days, but I feel
• 28:53
  Speaker 4: that we don't put our country first enough. We're in
• 28:56
  Speaker 4: a situation where this financial year, our financial aid, our
• 28:59
  Speaker 4: foreign aid commitments to several other countries, notwithstanding our contributions
• 29:04
  Speaker 4: to the Ukraine now, they've tipped over the $ 5. 1 billion mark.
• 29:08
  Speaker 4: We have over 3.5 million households in this country that
• 29:11
  Speaker 4: don't know where their next meal is coming from. Children
• 29:14
  Speaker 4: are going to school hungry. Pensioners are having to decide
• 29:17
  Speaker 4: whether or not they're going to pay for their bills
• 29:19
  Speaker 4: or their food. We already have issues here at home
• 29:23
  Speaker 4: on this front. And when the Australian people who are
• 29:26
  Speaker 4: experiencing this are watching our Prime Minister go and accept awards,
• 29:30
  Speaker 4: that's fine. We understand he's a global citizen. I still
• 29:32
  Speaker 4: find it a bit off that he has to accept
• 29:34
  Speaker 4: an award for being the Prime Minister of the country
• 29:36
  Speaker 4: in the first place. He's doing the job he was
• 29:38
  Speaker 4: paid and elected to do. But then throwing around this
• 29:42
  Speaker 4: money in other countries, granted they've been stuck in this situation,
• 29:45
  Speaker 4: a very unfortunate one, for years on end, but at
• 29:48
  Speaker 4: what point do we start putting our country first and
• 29:50
  Speaker 4: that old adage, charity starts at home? I just... I find
• 29:53
  Speaker 4: it all pretty repulsive.
• 29:54
  Speaker 5: Mm-hm.
• 29:56
  Speaker 6: And it's not just the cost of this war, it's
• 30:00
  Speaker 6: also the cost.
• 30:01
  Speaker 3: Of how many people have died from it.
• 30:03
  Speaker 6: And there have been many analysts over the last couple
• 30:07
  Speaker 6: of years that have said this is the unwinnable war,
• 30:10
  Speaker 6: that neither side can win this war. There's estimates that
• 30:14
  Speaker 6: about two million people have died. So that's 1.2 million
• 30:18
  Speaker 6: in Russia. and between 525,000 to 625,000 in Ukraine.
• 30:24
  Speaker 3: I'm not sure how you can justify that. You can't.
• 30:27
  Speaker 3: You cannot justify it on either side.
• 30:29
  Speaker 6: And you look at the Donald Trump approach to this war,
• 30:32
  Speaker 6: and he has tried many times to bring Volodymyr Zelensky
• 30:35
  Speaker 6: to the table on this. Remember that exchange that they
• 30:38
  Speaker 6: had at the White House as well.
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: Which, by the way, Joe Biden had a very similar
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: exchange with Volodymyr Zelensky along the lines of, you know,
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: We've given you a lot of money. It's time you
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: showed us a bit of gratitude for it. People got
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: up Trump for that. But Biden did it too.
• 30:55
  Speaker 3: No, no, he definitely did.
• 30:56
  Speaker 6: But Donald Trump's argument is that we need to put
• 30:58
  Speaker 6: America first. And he says that we're not getting the
• 31:01
  Speaker 6: right return on investment. And Trump did claim that America
• 31:04
  Speaker 6: has put more into this war than what Europe has.
• 31:07
  Speaker 6: And Europe is still pouring a phenomenal amount of money
• 31:10
  Speaker 6: into this. But right now in Australia, we've got to
• 31:14
  Speaker 6: look at our own backyard and you only need to
• 31:15
  Speaker 6: look at the intergenerational report that was released this week
• 31:18
  Speaker 6: to find that we are going to be in deficits
• 31:20
  Speaker 6: for the next 40 years.
• 31:22
  Speaker 3: 40 years.
• 31:23
  Speaker 6: So that is generations upon generations to come.
• 31:27
  Speaker 3: How can we possibly be justifying this?
• 31:30
  Speaker 6: I understand that we have a duty to help out
• 31:32
  Speaker 6: our allies and when we help out people in need.
• 31:35
  Speaker 6: But when this war is not coming to an end
• 31:37
  Speaker 6: because neither side are willing to come to the table
• 31:40
  Speaker 6: on this, then we've got a problem. And I just
• 31:42
  Speaker 6: don't know how we can justify this moving forward at all.
• 31:46
  Speaker 4: Will said.
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 31:47
  Speaker 6: Now, look, let's talk about the situation with tourists over
• 31:52
  Speaker 6: in Auschwitz, of course, in Poland, the concentration camp. There's
• 31:56
  Speaker 6: a woman by the name of Lynn who posts on
• 31:59
  Speaker 6: TikTok under the name Free Spirit 666.
• 32:00
  Speaker 5: Yes.
• 32:02
  Speaker 3: She posted a.
• 32:03
  Speaker 6: Video talking about the prices at the cafe at Auschwitz. Now,
• 32:07
  Speaker 6: she's not happy about this, and this video has gone viral,
• 32:10
  Speaker 6: racking up about 4 million views. And have a listen
• 32:14
  Speaker 6: to this, because I would caution by saying maybe she
• 32:17
  Speaker 6: needs to read the room.
• 32:18
  Speaker 9: Here's another tip if you're going to Auschwitz in Poland.
• 32:24
  Speaker 9: So take a drink with you. We actually took water
• 32:26
  Speaker 9: with us, but we fancied a coffee, so there's a
• 32:28
  Speaker 9: restaurant there because we were early. And so we thought
• 32:32
  Speaker 9: we'd get a coffee. They don't do decaffeinated and they
• 32:34
  Speaker 9: don't do any other milk other than real milk. So
• 32:37
  Speaker 9: we gave that a miss. So we decided to, I've
• 32:39
  Speaker 9: drunk it now, but I thought I'd do a video.
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: So I got a.
• 32:42
  Speaker 9: Strawberry smoothie, which tasted very watered down. And Kerry decided
• 32:49
  Speaker 9: to have a lemonade. What do you think of your lemonade, Kerry?
• 32:51
  Speaker 4: A bit like Dettol.
• 32:55
  Speaker 5: Smells like Dettol.
• 32:57
  Speaker 6: Poor you, you don't like your strawberry smoothie or your
• 33:01
  Speaker 6: lemonade and you couldn't get decaffeinated coffee or alternative milk.
• 33:07
  Speaker 3: At the cafe at Auschwitz. Poor you.
• 33:09
  Speaker 6: Does she know that one million Jews were killed at
• 33:12
  Speaker 6: Auschwitz and many of them went into a gas chamber?
• 33:15
  Speaker 6: If you are going to Auschwitz to complain about the
• 33:18
  Speaker 6: prices at the cafe, you are going about this really,
• 33:22
  Speaker 6: really the wrong way because the cafe is not what
• 33:25
  Speaker 6: is the main feature at Auschwitz.
• 33:28
  Speaker 3: I think that just shows tremendous disrespect.
• 33:30
  Speaker 6: Alex Hearn, who is the co-director of Labor Against Anti-Semitism,
• 33:34
  Speaker 6: says this highlights how some people have become disconnected from
• 33:37
  Speaker 6: the true horror of the Holocaust and the death camps.
• 33:40
  Speaker 6: And I couldn't agree more. And I've got to say,
• 33:42
  Speaker 6: just by looking at her, she looks like a complete
• 33:44
  Speaker 6: lefty to me.
• 33:45
  Speaker 4: Well, not such a free spirit, are you, Lynne?
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: No.
• 33:47
  Speaker 4: If you couldn't handle a bad cup of coffee in
• 33:49
  Speaker 4: a watered-down smoothie. Can I add just a quick different
• 33:52
  Speaker 4: slice of perspective? I think that this is very emblematic
• 33:56
  Speaker 4: of where we're at as a society, right? Someone goes somewhere,
• 33:58
  Speaker 4: pays for something at a cafe or whatever experience, and
• 34:01
  Speaker 4: if it's not meeting their standards, they take to their
• 34:03
  Speaker 4: social media to have a rant about it. I think
• 34:06
  Speaker 4: I would have a far greater issue if she took
• 34:08
  Speaker 4: to social media to complain about the tour. and to
• 34:11
  Speaker 4: Auschwitz and the whole experience in and of itself. I
• 34:14
  Speaker 4: would have far greater issue with that. The cafe is
• 34:17
  Speaker 4: something that actually sits separate and outside of the area.
• 34:21
  Speaker 4: I take your points, Danika, but I don't know that
• 34:25
  Speaker 4: it's automatically something that needs to be linked to Auschwitz
• 34:31
  Speaker 4: versus just the cafe experience itself in isolation. Is that
• 34:35
  Speaker 4: a fair point?
• 34:35
  Speaker 3: Don't you think, don't read the room, don't you think, What.
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: Sort of sad sack decides you're going to post on
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: TikTok about the milkshake they got at Auschwitz?
• 34:43
  Speaker 4: But everyone's complaining about stuff when they go somewhere, if
• 34:46
  Speaker 4: it's expensive or they're not happy with the service. Like
• 34:48
  Speaker 4: I'm a Christian woman and I personally found it pretty
• 34:50
  Speaker 4: tacky when I went to Rome and you're heading off
• 34:52
  Speaker 4: soon too. We love a Danica holiday. But I personally
• 34:55
  Speaker 4: found it pretty tacky that people were out there hocking
• 34:58
  Speaker 4: kind of all of these things and trying to sell
• 35:00
  Speaker 4: things to us as we'd actually left. after having this
• 35:03
  Speaker 4: emotional experience. I mean, I'd beg the question, why is
• 35:06
  Speaker 4: there a cafe there even at all?
• 35:08
  Speaker 3: I think there has to.
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: Be, though.
• 35:10
  Speaker 3: Does there have to be? For health and safety reasons.
• 35:13
  Speaker 3: You've got to provide some sort of amenity. Yeah, I agree.
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: Trap for young players. She's clearly not a young player.
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: You know when you go to tourist attractions... that they
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: charge a premium for food and drink and whatever.
• 35:27
  Speaker 4: See, I even feel foul about calling Auschwitz a tourist attraction.
• 35:31
  Speaker 4: I know that people go to see it. In its
• 35:33
  Speaker 4: modern context. There's something off about that for me too.
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: In its modern context, that is what it has become.
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: And not an attraction because people go, oh, it's Auschwitz.
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: but an attraction because they go to see an historical place. Like,
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: it is an historical place.
• 35:47
  Speaker 4: I just don't... I don't know why you need to
• 35:48
  Speaker 4: have the cafe there in the first place.
• 35:50
  Speaker 3: Well, you need to give people food and water at
• 35:53
  Speaker 3: these places.
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: Do you? I don't have an issue with that.
• 35:55
  Speaker 3: I mean, even outside of.
• 35:56
  Speaker 6: You know, I mentioned Rome. Even outside of, you know,
• 35:58
  Speaker 6: the Colosseum or the Vatican, they've.
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: Got, like, little.
• 36:00
  Speaker 3: those pop-up stores where you can buy drinks and snacks.
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: But you know those places are going to be expensive
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: before you go.
• 36:05
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but is her.
• 36:05
  Speaker 4: Criticising the cafe a direct attack on Auschwitz and what happened?
• 36:09
  Speaker 8: No, no, no.
• 36:10
  Speaker 4: No, but I think it is an attack on the memory.
• 36:13
  Speaker 3: It's an attack on the memory. Why would you film
• 36:16
  Speaker 3: yourself saying that?
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: It's just a bit distasteful.
• 36:19
  Speaker 3: I agree it's ratty.
• 36:21
  Speaker 4: But I don't know that it's an attack on Auschwitz
• 36:23
  Speaker 4: and the Holocaust and the history of it versus just,
• 36:27
  Speaker 4: I got some crap food and they charged me a
• 36:29
  Speaker 4: bomb for it.
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think it is. I think it's just
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: a bit distasteful.
• 36:32
  Speaker 4: Tacky.
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: If that's what you've taken away from your visit to Auschwitz, then...
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: I don't know what that says about you. Anyway, after
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: the break, we'll get into the papers. A chap, businessman,
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: Australian businessman over in China, apparently might have come a
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: cropper headbutting a policeman. More on that after this. Why
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: don't we take a look at tomorrow's news tonight? We'll
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: start with The Daily Telegraph. Lucy?
• 37:00
  Speaker 4: Let's please. It's my favourite paper of them all, notwithstanding
• 37:04
  Speaker 4: that I write for it every fortnight.
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: Ching, ching.
• 37:06
  Speaker 4: Anyway.
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: Your evening order.
• 37:09
  Speaker 3: Any chance I get.
• 37:10
  Speaker 4: Give me a break. I'm just a fill-in. How about this? Bot,
• 37:13
  Speaker 4: can I do about it? Rogue AI agent hacks our government.
• 37:17
  Speaker 4: But tech firms says it was out of their control.
• 37:20
  Speaker 4: A frantic effort is now underway by federal authorities to
• 37:23
  Speaker 4: try and fortify our digital defences after a rogue AI bot,
• 37:27
  Speaker 4: and I'm sure you've heard about it all day today,
• 37:28
  Speaker 4: hacked Medicare and state agencies, open AI run by CEO
• 37:32
  Speaker 4: Sam Altman, said the rogue bot was out of their control.
• 37:36
  Speaker 4: You can see that full report tomorrow in their paper
• 37:39
  Speaker 4: across pages six and seven. And Peter Volandes, oh, he's
• 37:42
  Speaker 4: got a secret surprise up his sleeve. And he's promised
• 37:46
  Speaker 4: to put a succession plan in place after his ascent
• 37:48
  Speaker 4: to the most powerful position in NRL history was rubber-stamped
• 37:52
  Speaker 4: and the ARL Commission's first executive chairman also hinted fans
• 37:56
  Speaker 4: would be in for a, quote, surprise on grand final
• 38:00
  Speaker 4: day as the NRL scrambles. to lock in a headline
• 38:03
  Speaker 4: entertainment act, pardon me, following the collapse of talks with
• 38:08
  Speaker 4: singer Tones. And I have heard that Shannon Noll just
• 38:11
  Speaker 4: stuck his hand up.
• 38:12
  Speaker 3: Shannon Noll, what about me?
• 38:14
  Speaker 4: What about me? Well, it isn't fair. And I'm sure
• 38:17
  Speaker 4: some fans will be saying it's not fair that they
• 38:19
  Speaker 4: don't have a musical act. But I say play on.
• 38:21
  Speaker 4: Just get on with the footage.
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: They'll say, I've had enough, now I want my share.
• 38:24
  Speaker 3: That's right.
• 38:24
  Speaker 7: You know what?
• 38:25
  Speaker 3: I think that Peter Volandi is actually a very smart businessman.
• 38:27
  Speaker 6: And because he said the other day, I was listening
• 38:29
  Speaker 6: to him, he said in the end people are coming
• 38:30
  Speaker 6: to watch the game. They don't care about the entertainment.
• 38:33
  Speaker 3: And I actually agree with him. You do?
• 38:35
  Speaker 6: You're not there to watch the entertainment. You are there
• 38:37
  Speaker 6: to watch your team play. And I'm curious to really
• 38:41
  Speaker 6: know what happened with Tones and Ike because I read
• 38:44
  Speaker 6: the reports that apparently it was because she wouldn't sing
• 38:46
  Speaker 6: her number one hit, Dance Monkey.
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: Correct.
• 38:47
  Speaker 4: Well, that's allegedly. And, I mean, isn't that silly?
• 38:49
  Speaker 3: If you're going to do it, you would. you'd have
• 38:51
  Speaker 3: to sing your classic hits.
• 38:52
  Speaker 4: But that's your best and only spot.
• 38:54
  Speaker 6: Surely Kylie comes out on the AFL. She's going to
• 38:56
  Speaker 6: be doing what I'm spinning around. She'll do the classic hits.
• 38:59
  Speaker 6: That's what the punters want to see.
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: There'd be no doubt about it. Let's just go back
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: to the Medicare thing as well today. It's so concerning
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: on so many levels. Not only that these AI bots
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: are just going off and doing whatever the hell they want.
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: and just hacking into government systems. And, you know, it's
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: a low-level government thing today, but, you know, in 2036,
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: what are they going to try and hack into? So
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: that's bad. But also that the government didn't notice that
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: it happened.
• 39:27
  Speaker 3: How embarrassing.
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: They had to get an email from the hackers. basically,
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: to tell them that they'd been hacked in order to
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: notice from every angle.
• 39:35
  Speaker 4: And also the legislation, they've got 30 days to tell
• 39:38
  Speaker 4: us if a breach has actually occurred. Right. So the
• 39:41
  Speaker 4: fact that we've been brought up to speed with this
• 39:43
  Speaker 4: very well after the fact, it raises a raft of questions.
• 39:47
  Speaker 4: But I did, if I could get my tinfoil hat out.
• 39:49
  Speaker 3: For a second, just indulge me.
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: Please.
• 39:51
  Speaker 4: I did find the timing of this pretty interesting. It is.
• 39:54
  Speaker 4: Isn't it?
• 39:54
  Speaker 3: It's very.
• 39:56
  Speaker 2: Convenient.
• 39:56
  Speaker 3: It's very convenient.
• 39:58
  Speaker 4: Particularly after all those world leaders have put their signatures
• 40:01
  Speaker 4: on something saying that we need to explore some guardrails
• 40:03
  Speaker 4: around AI.
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 40:04
  Speaker 4: Very interesting.
• 40:05
  Speaker 3: Yeah, look out. That's it.
• 40:06
  Speaker 6: Okay, let's take a look at the Australian exclusive union
• 40:10
  Speaker 6: threat to disrupt energy market for more pay for day week.
• 40:14
  Speaker 6: Union members at the Australian energy market operator are threatening
• 40:17
  Speaker 6: unprecedented industrial action. that could disrupt the energy market as
• 40:21
  Speaker 6: they pursue substantial annual pay rises, the option of a
• 40:25
  Speaker 6: four-day week for the same hours and pay, and protections
• 40:30
  Speaker 6: from artificial intelligence. Members of Professionals Australia, including engineers, scientists
• 40:35
  Speaker 6: and technology analysts, voted down a third offer by AEMO
• 40:38
  Speaker 6: management and returned a 90% yes vote for protected industrial action.
• 40:44
  Speaker 3: So let me get this right.
• 40:45
  Speaker 6: They want substantial pay increases, the option of working four
• 40:49
  Speaker 6: days a week but for the same hours and pay.
• 40:53
  Speaker 4: Haven't we been through this already?
• 40:54
  Speaker 3: It's exhausting.
• 40:56
  Speaker 4: It is.
• 40:57
  Speaker 3: And once the unions start getting involved, they're damned.
• 41:00
  Speaker 4: Okay, but don't... It's not once they start getting involved.
• 41:03
  Speaker 4: They're involved.
• 41:04
  Speaker 3: They're done.
• 41:04
  Speaker 4: They're well involved. They're the ones steering their ship.
• 41:07
  Speaker 3: Yep.
• 41:08
  Speaker 2: Four-day works. Four-day works, fantastic. Public servants, everyone, councils. Good life.
• 41:15
  Speaker 2: You know, you call, oh, sorry, me power's gone out. Oh, sorry,
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: I'm only on a four-day week. We don't work on Fridays.
• 41:20
  Speaker 4: Good luck, love. Seriously.
• 41:22
  Speaker 3: All the best with that.
• 41:23
  Speaker 6: Another article there, Aussies headbutt on Chinese cop risks jail.
• 41:28
  Speaker 6: An Australian businessman is facing a jail term in China
• 41:31
  Speaker 6: after allegedly headbutting a policeman during an altercation with court
• 41:34
  Speaker 6: officials as he tried to get legal assistance for a
• 41:37
  Speaker 6: friend's father serving an 18-year prison sentence fraud. Nick Wilshere,
• 41:41
  Speaker 6: who has lived in China for 24 years... and his
• 41:44
  Speaker 6: deputy chairman of the China-Australia Chamber of Commerce in the
• 41:46
  Speaker 6: country's south, was held in detention for two weeks in
• 41:49
  Speaker 6: May after the scuffle in which he claims he was
• 41:52
  Speaker 6: kicked and punched in the head.
• 41:55
  Speaker 3: Well, not good.
• 41:57
  Speaker 2: I think, you know, spot of bother. That's not the
• 41:59
  Speaker 2: country where I'd want to have a scuffle with the police.
• 42:02
  Speaker 3: No, thank you.
• 42:03
  Speaker 2: Let's put it that way, shall we? On the front
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: of the Herald Sun tomorrow, the story that will be reverberating...
• 42:09
  Speaker 2: around the Aussie rules world on the eve of the
• 42:12
  Speaker 2: grand final. I should be so lucky. What a great headline.
• 42:16
  Speaker 2: Well done to Sam Weir and the team at the
• 42:18
  Speaker 2: Herald Sun. Brisbane star Lockie Neal will play in Saturday's
• 42:21
  Speaker 2: grand final after sensationally getting his ban for striking downgraded
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: to a $ 10, 000 fine by using the so-called good guy clause.
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: It says they're gut-punched to game or common-sense call. I
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: tend to think it's common-sense call. I mean, you know, 320...
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: career matches and he's never been suspended before. Pretty harsh
• 42:46
  Speaker 2: on the eve of the grand final.
• 42:47
  Speaker 4: Can I tell you, though, why get it on appeal?
• 42:50
  Speaker 4: They had a four-hour hearing, right, the original tribunal hearing
• 42:54
  Speaker 4: for this. They couldn't get to that conclusion then that
• 42:57
  Speaker 4: it got overturned on appeal? Agreed. I mean, it just
• 42:59
  Speaker 4: seems a bit, I don't know.
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think they could have... Handled that a little better.
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: But anyway, he will be in the match and I'm
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: sure Brisbane Lions fans and Chris Fagan and all the
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: crew will be happy. I know you're not terribly happy
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: about it, Danica, but.
• 43:14
  Speaker 6: Oh, no, look, I mean, I agree. I think it
• 43:17
  Speaker 6: should have been overturned. I think it was silly to
• 43:19
  Speaker 6: begin with. Let him play in the grand final.
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: What was your line the other night, though?
• 43:22
  Speaker 3: I said karma's a bit.
• 43:23
  Speaker 4: You did.
• 43:24
  Speaker 2: Well, how's karma going for him now? It is.
• 43:27
  Speaker 6: I mean, I feel like there would be people going, oh, well,
• 43:30
  Speaker 6: that's what happens when you have an extramarital affair.
• 43:32
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Karma gets you.
• 43:33
  Speaker 2: You get to play in the grand final.
• 43:35
  Speaker 4: Well, I don't know. Well, justice will be served if
• 43:38
  Speaker 4: they lose. How about that for karma?
• 43:40
  Speaker 3: I agree.
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: What's on the front of the advertiser tomorrow, Lucy?
• 43:42
  Speaker 4: Oh, the advertiser. How about that? A lot of talk
• 43:45
  Speaker 4: still about the robots' hack into Medicare. That, of course,
• 43:49
  Speaker 4: you can expect to keep dominating headlines. But this, the
• 43:52
  Speaker 4: number of hospitals aged care fills hospitals, the number of
• 43:55
  Speaker 4: hospital beds being needlessly filled by elderly people waiting to
• 43:58
  Speaker 4: move into aged care has hit, get this, a record 488,
• 44:02
  Speaker 4: enough to fill the Lyell McEwen nearly twice over. The
• 44:07
  Speaker 4: state's escalating aged care crisis has driven a 700% increase
• 44:11
  Speaker 4: in the number of hospital beds being taken up by
• 44:14
  Speaker 4: elderly patients since October 2022, piling pressure on emergency departments,
• 44:18
  Speaker 4: but by all means, let's go and give $ 60 million.
• 44:21
  Speaker 2: To the Ukraine. Yeah.
• 44:23
  Speaker 3: Point exactly.
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: I just, I don't understand. You know, we know that
• 44:27
  Speaker 2: we've got a problem with aged care in this country
• 44:30
  Speaker 2: and so many other issues within the health system. And
• 44:33
  Speaker 2: so we go, OK, what we'll do is fill up
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: all the hospital beds because we've got nowhere else to
• 44:38
  Speaker 2: put them. How do we not plan for this stuff?
• 44:41
  Speaker 2: That's the bit that always beats me. But, you know,
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: governments have a few jobs that they need to do.
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: Health is one of them.
• 44:48
  Speaker 3: Absolutely.
• 44:48
  Speaker 2: Very much in their purview. How do you not go, oh, well,
• 44:51
  Speaker 2: you know, the population's ageing, people are getting older, we
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  Speaker 2: need aged care beds, we also need to free up
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  Speaker 2: hospital beds at the same time? How does this stuff happen?
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  Speaker 3: Well, I mean, again, intergenerational report.
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  Speaker 6: Has anyone read the intergenerational report that suggests that we
• 45:06
  Speaker 6: are such an ageing population now? But always healthcare has
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  Speaker 6: always been the Achilles heel of every government. None of
• 45:13
  Speaker 6: them are willing to do anything. Ambulance ramping is another
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  Speaker 6: big issue.
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  Speaker 3: Huge.
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  Speaker 5: And beds.
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  Speaker 3: And beds.
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  Speaker 2: Last night we were talking about the story on the
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  Speaker 2: front of the Mercury down in Tasmania where It takes
• 45:22
  Speaker 2: six years to get him to see a neurologist now. Awful.
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  Speaker 4: I think it was seven years. And that's the length
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  Speaker 4: of time actually it can take for a neurologist to
• 45:31
  Speaker 4: become fully qualified.
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  Speaker 2: Absolutely insane. And there's another story in WA too where
• 45:35
  Speaker 2: they're getting rid of inpatient mental health beds for children.
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: It's just dumb, dumb, dumb stuff.
• 45:42
  Speaker 4: But let's chase climate change.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly. After the break, a list has been put together
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  Speaker 2: by The Australian of the 10 songs that changed the world.
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  Speaker 2: We'll tell you what they are after this and we'll
• 45:53
  Speaker 2: give you a sneak peek of our favourites. Don't go away. Now, look,
• 45:59
  Speaker 2: this is a very odd way to introduce this segment
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  Speaker 2: of the show, but tell us about fridges, Lucy.
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  Speaker 4: You know, I don't give mine too much of a thought, right?
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  Speaker 4: Apart from, you know, keeping it in good stead and
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  Speaker 4: nice and clean and getting rid of all the things
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  Speaker 4: that have expired, I never would have thought that fridge
• 46:15
  Speaker 4: styling was a thing until, let's take a look.
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  Speaker 5: Who decided refrigerators can be styled? I wanted mine to
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  Speaker 5: feel less like a refrigerator and more like a beautifully
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  Speaker 5: styled cabinet. You can even make glass water bottles elevated.
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  Speaker 5: Add something unexpected. A framed piece of art?
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  Speaker 4: Mm-hmm.
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  Speaker 3: And instead of.
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  Speaker 5: Ordinary storage containers, I chose beautiful glass bottles, trays, and
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  Speaker 5: organic looking cups for fresh fruits and snacks.
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  Speaker 4: Vegetable snacks don't have to be boring. Be creative. Just
• 46:43
  Speaker 4: choose cute containers. Anyone will want to grab them. I
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  Speaker 4: had something unexpected like some picture frames in your fridge.
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  Speaker 2: You're yanking my chain.
• 46:52
  Speaker 4: You know, I thought she was. I'm not going to lie.
• 46:54
  Speaker 4: When she pulled out the picture frames, I thought this
• 46:56
  Speaker 4: is going somewhere. They're really taking the mickey here. But
• 46:59
  Speaker 4: it was serious. And I went, no, this is a
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  Speaker 4: woman that, A, doesn't have children, but, B, she's not
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  Speaker 4: eating at home either.
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  Speaker 6: No, she's got no idea. I'm not putting photo frames
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  Speaker 6: next to my leftover fish.
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  Speaker 2: How do you have that much time on your hands?
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  Speaker 4: Oh, seriously.
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  Speaker 3: What, you don't open your fridge to a frame?
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  Speaker 2: No. No, no, I don't. On your cats? I open
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  Speaker 2: the fridge and I go, oh, God, I should have
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: used those vegetables.
• 47:19
  Speaker 6: And there's beers among the beer cans?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I just look at all the beers and all
• 47:25
  Speaker 2: the wine.
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  Speaker 3: That's all you do, exactly.
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  Speaker 6: Now, look, the Australian newspaper has put together what they
• 47:30
  Speaker 6: believe is the 10 most powerful songs that changed the
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  Speaker 6: world around us. And it ranges from 1939 all the
• 47:38
  Speaker 6: way to 2015. So we're picking our favourite of the lot,
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  Speaker 6: starting with you, Caleb.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, indeed. It's got to be The Beatles' I Want
• 47:44
  Speaker 2: To Hold Your Hand. What a great tune.
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  Speaker 8: Classic.
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  Speaker 6: The British Invasion was a massive time in history and
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  Speaker 6: it really brought to the forefront acts like this and
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  Speaker 6: The Beatles are still playing today. Paul McCartney's still to us,
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  Speaker 6: so there you go.
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  Speaker 2: Lucy?
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  Speaker 4: I chose It Had To Be Fortunate Son by The Beatles.
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  Speaker 4: By Creedence Clearwater Revival. And I'm a bit biased because
• 48:14
  Speaker 4: I do love that music from start to finish, but
• 48:17
  Speaker 4: I thought it was a very momentous song because it
• 48:20
  Speaker 4: was written in protest against the Vietnam War and, of course,
• 48:23
  Speaker 4: the draft. And it posed that question more of, you know,
• 48:26
  Speaker 4: the consequences of war from the people that chose to
• 48:30
  Speaker 4: go to war and the ones that had to pay
• 48:32
  Speaker 4: for those decisions.
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  Speaker 2: So I loved it.
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  Speaker 3: Let's play it. What a banger.
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  Speaker 6: Now, before I introduce mine, what I would have said
• 48:50
  Speaker 6: was I would have chosen The Beatles as well, but
• 48:51
  Speaker 6: given that I was left to choose out of the
• 48:53
  Speaker 6: other list, I'm going with American Idiot by Green Day,
• 48:56
  Speaker 6: and I'm going to tell you why, because that song
• 48:57
  Speaker 6: captured the mood of a generation after 9-11, and it
• 49:01
  Speaker 6: was also the mood of America's invasion of Iraq, and
• 49:04
  Speaker 6: I'm a big fan of songs made in a protest movement.
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  Speaker 4: Here it is. MUSIC PLAYS Don't want to be an
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  Speaker 4: American idiot.
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  Speaker 3: Don't want a nation under the new media.
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  Speaker 6: Yep, just like CCR or songs like Eve of Destruction,
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  Speaker 6: Barry Maguire, For What It's Worth, Buffalo, Springfield, it captures
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  Speaker 6: the mood of the time, so why not?
• 49:28
  Speaker 2: There you go, we've learned something new about Danika tonight.
• 49:30
  Speaker 2: Very quickly before we go, we know over in the
• 49:33
  Speaker 2: United Kingdom they had Count Binface taking on Nigel Farage.
• 49:38
  Speaker 2: In Victoria, they have Count Duckface. G'day, everyone. Count Duckface here,
• 49:43
  Speaker 2: ready to run in Nidri.
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: I'm taking on the Premier directly because he's let down
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: wildlife for the last time. We've had enough. We are
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: literally dying for change.
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  Speaker 4: Oh, dear.
• 49:53
  Speaker 2: We'll see if he actually makes it to the ballot.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you so much for joining us tonight. Up next,
• 49:57
  Speaker 2: the Rita Panahy Show. Good night.