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The Devastating True Story Behind 'The Murder of Rachel Nickell' and 'The Witness' · Murder Files Unsealed

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Speaker 1: Imagine for a second that you are walking in a
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beautiful sunny park, right, You've got your toddler with you,
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you've got your dog. It is literally just a perfect
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summer morning.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, the kind of day you don't even think twice.
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Speaker 1: About, exactly the kind of mundane, joyful moment that makes
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up a normal life. And then well, imagine that image
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is just completely shattered by a moment of incomprehensible violence.
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Speaker 2: It is incredibly difficult to even picture.
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Speaker 1: It is, but we have to because today we are
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looking at how a single horrific event on Wimbledon Common
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back in nineteen ninety two triggered an absolute decades long nightmare.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and an institutional nightmare at that, right.
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Speaker 1: So picture this. The police are spending millions of pounds
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and you know, months of their incredibly valuable time writing
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these highly graphic fake love letters to a quiet, lonely
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man in South London, which is just wild to think about,
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it really is. I mean, they are entirely aggressively convinced
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that this guy is a savage killer. They are basically
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scripting a horror movie, right, and they are desperately trying
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to force him to play the lead role. But meanwhile,
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less than a few miles away, the actual serial killer
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is just walking the streets completely ignored, a.
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Speaker 2: Man whose own mother had actually already practically begged the
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police to arrest him.
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Speaker 1: Yes, his own mother, and he's out there committing identical crimes,
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and authorities are just, I don't know, looking the other way.
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Speaker 2: It's basically the ultimate nightmare scenario of confirmation bias. You
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have an entire institution just putting on blinders while a
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very real, very dangerous threat is escalating right under their noses.
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Speaker 1: Exactly, And that is why today's deep dive isn't just
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a tree crime recap. It is an extensive, painful unpacking
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of one of the most infamous miscarriages of justice in
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British history. We are talking about the murder of Rachel Nicol.
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Our mission today is to look at the catastrophic failures
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of profiling, the devastating human cost and the truly chilling
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reality of a system that chased a ghost while a
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monster roamed free.
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Speaker 2: To really get into the mechanics of how this all happened,
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we are drawing on a really comprehensive stack of source
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materials today.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, we've got a lot to go through.
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Speaker 2: We do. We're looking at excerpts from the investigative piece
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called The Murder of Rachel Nickel A Legacy of Flawed Justice.
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And this piece meticulously details not just the crime itself,
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but the disastrous undercover sting known as Operation.
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Speaker 1: Edzel, which we will definitely get into.
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Speaker 2: Oh absolutely. It also covers the horrifying background of the
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real killer, Robert Napper. And on top of that, we
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are examining insights from the recent twenty twenty six Netflix
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dramatization called The Witness and His Companion documentary The Murder
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of Rachel Nickel. Right, both of those really bring the
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focus back to the survivors, their trauma, and their incredible
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resilience over the decades.
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Speaker 1: Okay, let's unpack this because to truly understand the shockwaves
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this case sent through the UK, we have to start
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with the center of it all. We have to start
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with who Rachel Nichol actually was.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, that's crucial.
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Speaker 1: Because I think when a case gets this famous, you know,
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the victim often just becomes a black and white photo
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on the evening news. They just become a symbol of
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the tragedy.
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Speaker 2: Right, they lose their humanity in the narrative exactly.
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Speaker 1: But she wasn't a symbol. She was a vibrant, deeply
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loved twenty three year old mother.
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Speaker 2: And what's really fascinating here is how universally the people
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who actually knew Rachel described her fundamental warmth. Yeah, she
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was born in Essex in nineteen sixty eight. She was
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raised in a village called Great Totham, and the sources
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point out that from a very young age she had
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this innate, almost gravitational, charitable nature.
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Speaker 1: She really did.
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Speaker 2: She was known in her community for voluntarily helping elderly residents,
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working with disabled children. And you know, we're not talking
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about someone just padding a university application. This was just
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her core personality.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, she was just genuinely kind and she had this
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immense creative spark too. She went to Colchester High School
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for Girls and she spent significant time at the Essex
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Dance Theater.
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Speaker 2: Right.
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Speaker 1: She explored acting, singing, dancing. I mean, her teacher saw
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a ton of raw talent in her, but she was
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deeply grounded. She actually went on to study English and history.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, she had a lot of different interests she did.
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Speaker 1: But then she moves to London, right, and she's working
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as a lifeguard in Richmond, and that's where her life pivots.
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In nineteen eighty eight, she meets Andrea Hanscomb, who.
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Speaker 2: Was a motorbike courier at the time, and by all accounts,
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it was a profound immediate connection between them. They built
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a life together very quickly. By nineteen eighty nine they
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had a son, Alexander.
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Speaker 3: Lewis, who goes by Alex exactly.
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Speaker 2: They're living in Balum in South London, and this is
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a crucial detail about Rachel's trajectory. She actually turned down
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lucrative modeling opportunities. She put her degree on hold. Wow. Yeah,
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she possessed the conventional attractiveness that the media later fixated on,
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but her absolute priority above everything else was motherhood.
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Speaker 1: Which you can so clearly see in the home videos.
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The source material mentions these home videos of her and
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she just rate this natural maternal warmth.
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Speaker 2: She really does.
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Speaker 1: She dreamed of being a children's TV presenter, which makes
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perfect sense when you hear about her personality and part
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of their life. Their daily routine was taking walks on
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Wimbledon Common with their black labrador Molly. It was their sanctuary,
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it was their backyard essentially, and.
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Speaker 2: We really need to understand what Wimbledon common is to
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understand the psychological impact of what happened.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, set the scene for us.
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Speaker 2: Well, this isn't a small neighborhood park with a few swings.
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It is a sprawling thousand acre area of woodland, scrubland
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and open grass in southwest London.
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Speaker 1: One thousand acres. That's massive, it is.
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Speaker 2: It feels wild, yet it's entirely surrounded by affluent, highly
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populated areas.
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Speaker 1: Right, so you feel completely isolated in nature, but you
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are hyper aware that you are in a safe, wealthy
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part of one of the biggest cities in the world, exact,
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which makes the events of July fifteenth, nineteen ninety two
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so incomprehensible.
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Speaker 2: It was a Wednesday, around ten point in the morning.
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Speaker 1: Broad daylight, beautiful summer morning, broady daylight.
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Speaker 2: Rachel and two year old Alex are walking along a
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secluded path, but they are only about two hundred yards
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away from other families who are out picnicking, walking dogs,
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enjoying the sunshine.
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Speaker 1: Just normal summer stuff.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and out of nowhere a man appears.
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Speaker 1: I want to prepare you listening to this. The details
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of what happened next are incredibly difficult to process, but
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they are vital to understanding the absolute panic that gripped
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the police later.
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Speaker 2: You'rey true.
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Speaker 1: Based on what Alex would later recall, the attacker was
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a tall, slim, white male with brown hair. He attacks Rachel,
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and the brutality of this attack defies any logical explanation.
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Speaker 2: Frenzied is the clinical term used in the friendic analysis, right,
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but even that feels inadequate. She was stabbed forty nine times.
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Speaker 3: Oh my god.
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Speaker 2: The wounds were concentrated on her neck, her chest, her back.
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The violence was so extreme that one of the wounds
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nearly decapitated her.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Furthermore, the forensics confirmed she was also sexually assaulted.
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Speaker 1: Right there in the literal center of this unimaginable horror
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is a two year old boy, Little Alex. Yeah, he
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was knocked to the ground during the initial attack. He
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wasn't physically harmed with the knife, but the psychological trauma,
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I mean, the scene that a passerby eventually stumbled upon
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is one of the most heart wrenching, devastating things I
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have ever come across. In all the materials we reviewed.
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Speaker 2: It speaks to the profound innocence of a child confronted
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with ultimate trauma.
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Speaker 3: It really does.
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Speaker 2: Alex stayed right by his mother's body. He had gathered
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scattered banknotes that had fallen from her belongings during the struggle,
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and he placed one on her forehead.
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Speaker 1: Wow.
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Speaker 2: He was attempting to use a piece of paper as
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a bandage for her catastrophic wounds. He was clinging to
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her repeatedly saying, wake up, mummy.
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Speaker 1: He just guts you completely. A dogwalker finds them under
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a silver birch tree, and within minutes the police fled
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the area. But I want to step back and look
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at this from a macro perspective, the psychological impact on
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the public. Right what I read about the immediate aftermath.
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I kept thinking, it's like an entire city suddenly realizing
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the locks on their front doors are made of wet paper.
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Speaker 2: That is exactly the dynamic. If we connect this to
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the bigger picture of societal safety, A daylight attack of
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this unimaginable savagery in a safe, affluent area like Wimbledon
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common It just chatters the fundamental illusion of public security
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as a society. We accept that crime happens, but we
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compartmentalize our fear. We tell ourselves that violent crime happens
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at two by am outside a pub or in dark
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alleys in so called dangerous neighborhoods.
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Speaker 3: Right.
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Speaker 1: You think, if I don't go to those places, I
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am safe. I have control over my safety precisely.
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Speaker 2: But a mother and her toddler in a sunny park
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at ten twenty in the morning, that effectively means no
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one is safe anywhere, at any time. It removes the
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illusion of control. Yeah, and when the public loses the
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illusion of control, fear instantly metastasizes into outrage.
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Speaker 1: And that outrage creates an absolute pressure cooker for the
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Metropolitan Police. The media coverage is instantaneous. The tabloids are
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running front page photos of Rachel of Alex. The public
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is terrified and demanding an arrest.
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Speaker 2: Yesterday pressure was immense, But I.
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Speaker 1: Am genuinely trying to put myself in the shoes of
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a detective. On day one, you have a thousand acres
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of woodland, your only direct witness is a deeply traumatized
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two year old child. How do you even begin logical
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investigation without completely panicking?
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Speaker 2: That is the exact fissure that cracked this entire investigation
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wide open.
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Speaker 1: Okay, explain that well.
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Speaker 2: Ideally, protocol dictates you secure the scene, you meticulously gathered
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trace evidence, You set up cordons and look for witnesses
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who saw someone entering or leaving the park.
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Speaker 1: Right standard procedure.
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Speaker 2: You look for a bloody weapon, you look for footprints.
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But remember one thousand acres means hundreds of exit points.
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The killer essentially vanished into the trees.
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Speaker 3: Wow.
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Speaker 2: And because the pressure from the media and the public
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was deafening, the police needed a quick, decisive resolution to restore.
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Speaker 1: So what happens when you need a quick resolution but
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you have zero physical evidence. You start grasping. And this
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is the turning point. Because they have virtually no physical evidence,
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they decide to lean entirely dangerously into psychological profiling.
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Speaker 2: Yes, they bring in a clinical psychologist named Paul Britton
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to create an offender profile. Now we need to understand
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what profiling actually is and what it isn't. Profiling in
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theory is a tool to help narrow down a vast
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suspect pool. If you have ten thousand suspects, a profile
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can help you prioritize which hundred to look at first.
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It is supposed to be an investigative aid, not a
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form of evidence.
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Speaker 1: But in this case it wasn't an aid. It became
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the entire engine of the investigation exactly.
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Speaker 2: And the profile written created suggested the killer was a loner,
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someone with odd behaviors.
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Speaker 1: Odd is a very subjective.
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Speaker 2: Word, very someone who might be socially isolated, perhaps with
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a keen interest in knives or solitary outdome activities. It
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was a broad brushstroke of a socially awkward, marginalized.
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Speaker 1: Man, which is how they end up focusing the entire
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weight of the Metropolitan Police on Colin Stag.
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Speaker 2: Colinstagg was a thirty one year old unemployed man who
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lived on the Alton Estate in Roehampton, which is a
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housing estate that directly borders Wimbledon Common. Okay, he walked
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his dog there frequently. He lived a very quiet life,
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He kept to himself, and he had an expressed interest
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in Wicca, in paganism.
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Speaker 1: Let's pause rate there. It is nineteen ninety two. The
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cultural hangover of the Satanic Panic from the nineteen eighties
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is still very real in the UK, well very much so.
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Anything related to the occult, or paganism or Wicca was
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immediately viewed by authority figures and the tabloid media as
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inherently sinister.
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Speaker 2: That is a vital piece of context. His interest in
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Wicca heavily colored the detect his perception of him. They
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looked at a man who liked walking his dog and
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reading about paganism, and they saw a ritualistic killer.
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Speaker 1: Wow.
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Speaker 2: But here is the critical foundational, unforgivable flaw in the
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case against Colin Stag. There was absolutely zero forensic evidence
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leaking him to the murder man zero, no DNA, no fingerprints,
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no blood on his clothes. They searched his home, no
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murder weapon, nothing. He simply fit the subjective, incredibly vague
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psychological profile that the police had decided must be true.
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Speaker 1: This is genuinely terrifying. I want you, the listener, to
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really imagine this. Imagine someone looking at your life, looking
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at your hobbies.
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Speaker 4: Right, Maybe you're a bit of a homebody. Maybe you
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have a quiet weekend routine, you like walking in the woods.
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Maybe you have a niche interest you collect swords, or
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you read obscure history, and the authorities decide that those
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personality traits alone make.
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Speaker 3: You a murderer.
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Speaker 2: It's a scary thought.
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Speaker 1: I have to ask, at what point does an investigation
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cross the line from following a lead to actively manufacturing
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a villain.
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Speaker 2: That line is crossed the exact moment cognitive bias takes
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the wheel, specifically confirmation bias and anchoring bias. This raises
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an incredibly important question about how law enforcement handles systemic pressure.
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When you anchor yourself to a theory, your brain actively
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rejects conflicting information. Instead of using the profile to find
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a suspect, they found a suspect Stag, and then they
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worked backward.
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Speaker 1: They made him fit.
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Speaker 2: They twisted his entire life, his habits, his quiet personality
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to fit their preconceived profile.
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Speaker 1: So if he was quiet, he was brooding. If he
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maintained his innocence, he was cunning and manipulative.
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Speaker 2: Exactly, every denial from Stag was seen as the calculated
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deception of a psychopath. Every quirk was seen as the
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signature of a killer. They literally couldn't see the reality
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because the narrative they had constructed was too compelling to them.
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Speaker 1: But the police aren't stupid. They know they can't go
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to court with he reads about Wicka and he walks
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his dog. They need evidence, and because Stag maintains his innocence,
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because he literally didn't do it, and because they still
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have no physical evidence, the police make a catastrophic decision.
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They decide they have to create a scenario where he
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will reveal his guilt.
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Speaker 2: And this leads us to what is widely considered one
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of the most controversial, ethically bankrupt undercover stings in the
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history of UK policing, Operation Edzel.
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Speaker 1: So the police have a profile but absolutely zero physical evidence.
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In a normal investigation, this is where you step back
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and reassess. Ideally, yes, but remember that intense public pressure
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we talked about. That pressure creates desperation, and that desperation
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is what pushes the police across a very dangerous line.
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If they couldn't find evidence against Colin Stag, they were
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going to manufacture it. Yeah, enter Operation ed Cell. Here's
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where it gets really interesting. In the darkest, most dystopian
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way possible.
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Speaker 2: Operation Edzel is a textbook example of institutional overreach and entrapment.
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Since they couldn't find evidence, they attempted to manufacture a
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confession through a highly elaborate covert honey trap.
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Speaker 1: They bring in an undercover officer from so ten, which
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was the undercover unit of the Metropolitan Police. She is
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given the operational a Lizzie James, and the setup is wild.
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The use a fake lonely Heart's column connection to make
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contact with him.
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Speaker 2: It was an incredibly protracted and psychologically manipulative deception. This
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wasn't a quick sting. Over the course of many months,
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Lizzie James initiated and maintained contact. She sent him letters,
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she made frequent phone calls, she arranged in person meetings,
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and the strategy designed by the police and the profiler
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was incredibly aggressive. She was instructed to present herself as
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a woman with a dark past, someone who was actively
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turned on by violence.
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Speaker 1: She was introducing these incredibly dark sexual fantasies into their conversations,
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essentially trying to draw out the monster they believed was
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inside him. It's like the police wrote a screenplay for
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a psychological horror movie and they spent millions of pounds
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and months of time trying to force this lonely guy
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to read the villain's lines. But he just kept saying,
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I don't know the script.
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Speaker 2: That analogy is incredibly apt. The psychological manipulation was intense
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and targeted at his specific vulnerabilities. They knew from profiling
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him that he was socially isolated, They knew he was lonely,
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so Lizzie James repeatedly brought up the Wimbledon common murder,
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essentially dangling the promise of a relationship, of sexual intimacy,
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of finally not being alone if he would just admit
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to this one specific crime.
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Speaker 1: I am struggling to understand the legal and logical leaps here.
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They basically bangled a romantic relationship in front of a
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lonely man to coerce a confession. In what universe did
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the police think a judge would look at that and say, yes,
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this is totally legal and admissible. Wasn't entrapment illegal?
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Speaker 2: It is a fascinating legal gray area in the UK,
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and that's exactly what the police were trying to exploit.
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Speaker 3: Oh really, Yes.
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Speaker 2: In the UK legal system, unlike in the US, entrapment
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isn't always a substantive, absolute defense that automatically gets a
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case thrown out.
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Speaker 3: I didn't know that, however.
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Speaker 2: Under the Police and Criminal Evidence Act nineteen eighty four,
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specifically Section seventy eight, a judge has the power to
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exclude evidence if the police conduct was so unfair that
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admitting the evidence would severely prejudice the trial.
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Speaker 1: So the police were basically gambling. They were betting that
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the sheer horror of Rachel Nichols's murder would make the
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judge look the other way regarding their methods.
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Speaker 2: Precisely, they gambled that the end would justify the means
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in the eyes of the court. But to understand why
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the gamble failed, you have to look at how Colin
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Stagg actually responded to this honeytrap.
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Speaker 1: Right, Because how does Stagg react. He plays along with
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some of the romance, because, as we established, he's deeply lonely.
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He thinks he's finally found a genuine human connection. But
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whenever Lizzie James pushes him on the actual murder, whenever
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she tries to get him to say he killed Rachel,
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he flat out denies it. There's this quote from the
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source material that just echoes in my head. Under intense
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pressure from this woman he thinks he's falling for, who
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is practically begging him to admit to murder to prove
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his love, he says, I'm terribly sorry, but I haven't.
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Speaker 2: I'm terribly sorry, but I haven't it is such an
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an incredibly polite, almost painfully mundane response.
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Speaker 1: Exactly, it is so profoundly far removed from the profile
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of a frenzied, savage, knife wielding killer. It's the response
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of a guy who accidentally bumped into you at the
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grocery store, not a psychopath hiding a secret.
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Speaker 2: Yet, despite these clear, repeated deniles, the police arrested Colin
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Stagg in August nineteen ninety three.
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Speaker 1: Unbelievable.
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Speaker 2: They charged him with murder, and their entire case was
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based almost entirely on the assertion that during these rambling,
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manipulated conversations with Lizzie James, Stagg possessed scene knowledge, details
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about the crime that supposedly only the killer would know.
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Speaker 1: But the sources say that knowledge was highly debatable, right
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like he might have guessed things based on media reports,
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or Lizzy James might have inadvertently fed in the information
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during the operation.
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Speaker 2: Exactly, it was incredibly flimsy, but it was enough to
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get him charged, And the immediate consequence is that Colin
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Stagg is locked up.
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Speaker 1: Think about that. He spends thirteen to fourteen months in
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custody awaiting trial, over a year of his life sitting
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in a prison cell for a horrific crime he had
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absolutely nothing to do with, knowing the entire country despises him.
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Speaker 2: It's a living nightmare.
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Speaker 1: Finally, in September nineteen ninety four, the case goes to
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the Old Bailey, the Central Criminal Court, and the judge,
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mister Justice Ognall, takes one look at what the police did,
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looks at Operation Edzel, and he absolutely shuts it down.
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Speaker 2: Mister Justice Ognall's ruling was explosive and rightfully so. He
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utilized that Section seventy eight power we discussed. He excluded
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the undercover evidence entirely good. In his ruling, he cited
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the operation as deceptive conduct of the grossest kind. He
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openly accused the police of excessive zeal. He saw exactly
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what they had done. They had tried debate a confession
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out of a vulnerable man.
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Speaker 1: And without that manufactured entrapment evidence, the prosecution has literally nothing,
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no DNA, no witness, no confession. The case ev operated.
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They had to formally withdraw on Collin Staggs acquitted. He
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walked out a free man.
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Speaker 2: Free in the legal sense, but an acquittal on paper
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doesn't give you your life back, especially not in a
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case with his magnitude of media coverage.
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Speaker 1: The aftermath for Stag is just devastating. He is financially ruined,
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emotionally shattered, and the police don't just say oops are bad, No,
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not at all. The lead detective on the case, Keith Petter,
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actually goes to the media after the acquittal and continues
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to publicly promote the idea that Stagg was guilty on
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some technicality.
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Speaker 2: Which is an astonishing breach of ethics. The state sanctioned
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a psychological assault on a citizen, failed to prove his
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guilt in a court of law, and then actively allowed
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and encouraged that citizen to be destroyed by the tabloid media.
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Speaker 1: It's sicken ning.
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Speaker 2: Stag became a complete pariah. He couldn't walk down the
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street without being recognized and verbally abused. He received constant
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death threats. He lived in absolute terror for years.
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Speaker 1: And just to add a profoundly bitter footnote to this
20:54
chapter of the story, the undercover officer Lizzie James eventually
20:58
sued the Metropolitan Police. She did she claimed psychiatric injury
21:02
caused by her role in the operation, by the stress
21:05
of having to play this dark character, and she received
21:08
a one hundred and twenty five thousand pounds settlement. Meanwhile,
21:13
Colin Stagg, the innocent man they terrorized, had to wait
21:16
until two thousand and eight to get a penny of
21:18
compensation for having his entire life destroyed.
21:21
Speaker 2: It highlights a sickening inversion of priorities within the system.
21:25
The institution compensated its own operative for the trauma of
21:29
executing a flawed, illegal plan long before it adequately compensated
21:34
the actual victim of their false accusation.
21:36
Speaker 1: Not to mention Alex the actual toddler who witnessed his
21:39
mother's murder. His initial compensation from the state was a
21:42
fraction of what the undercover police officer received.
21:45
Speaker 3: It just leaves you speechless, it really does.
21:47
Speaker 2: But while the police were completely consumed by this elaborate
21:50
stage play with Colin Stagg, the reality of what was
21:52
happening on the streets was so much darker because while
21:55
the entire Metropolitan Police force is looking through a tiny
21:58
keyhole in an innocent man, the doors of the house
22:00
is wy open, the actual killer is walking freely.
22:03
Speaker 1: Let's pivot and look at the man they missed, because
22:06
his background is terrifying and the fact that he slipped
22:08
through the net is infuriating.
22:10
Speaker 2: His name was Robert Clive Knapper and his background is
22:14
a textbook escalation of severe, unmanaged psychological and behavioral disorders.
22:19
Speaker 1: Okay.
22:19
Speaker 2: He was born in February nineteen sixty six in arith,
22:22
An area in southeast London. He grew up in a
22:26
highly dysfunctional, violently abusive home environment. His parents' marriage was
22:30
deeply chaotic and it culminated in a divorce when Napper
22:34
was nine years old.
22:35
Speaker 1: The source materials outline a really grim trajectory. After the divorce,
22:39
he and his siblings went into the foster care system.
22:42
Napper spent time receiving psychiatric treatment at the Maudsley Hospital,
22:45
which is a major psychiatric facility in London.
22:48
Speaker 2: Right.
22:48
Speaker 1: He was severely bullied at school, but there was a
22:51
specific tragic turning point mentioned When he was thirteen, he
22:54
was the victim of a sexual assault and after that trauma,
22:58
his behavior didn't just change, it warped drastically.
23:01
Speaker 2: He became highly reclusive. He developed obsessive, rigidly controlled behaviors.
23:06
He began violently bullying his own siblings. Later in life,
23:10
he was diagnosed with a complex intersection of conditions paranoid
23:14
schizophrenia and Asperger syndrome, which is on the add desirany vectrum.
23:17
Speaker 1: So you have a profoundly traumatized individual struggling to navigate
23:21
social reality. Is due to his place on the spectrum,
23:25
combined with the severe delusions and paranoia of schizophrenia.
23:29
Speaker 2: Exactly, it created a highly dangerous pathology that went largely
23:33
unmanaged by the state mental health apparatus.
23:36
Speaker 1: But here's the thing that makes you want to pull
23:38
your hair out when you look at the timeline. He
23:40
wasn't a ghost. He wasn't some unknown entity living off
23:44
the grid. He was known to the system, very well known.
23:47
In nineteen eighty six he was convicted of an air
23:49
gun offence, and then in nineteen eighty nine, this is
23:53
three full years before Rachel Nichol is murdered on Wimbledon Common.
23:57
His own mother contacts the police.
23:59
Speaker 2: That detail is perhaps the most glaring, unforgivable missed opportunity
24:03
in this entire tragedy.
24:04
Speaker 1: Hang on, I need to stop you there and just
24:05
emphasize this. She calls the police and reports that her
24:08
son had confessed to a rape.
24:10
Speaker 2: Yes, a mother turning in her own son for a
24:13
violent sexual crime is an extraordinarily rare event. I can
24:16
imagine it requires a level of fear and certainty that
24:19
should immediately elevate a suspect to the top of any
24:22
priority list. Yet the police either completely ignored it or
24:26
they fundamentally mismanage the information. It was not acted upon
24:29
in any meaningful way.
24:30
Speaker 1: Wait, his own mother turns him in. He is out
24:33
there committing violent crimes and they just drop the ball.
24:36
How does a police force just lose a report of
24:40
a rape confession from a mother.
24:42
Speaker 2: This is where we have to unpack the concept of
24:44
siloed policing. In the late nineteen eighties and early nineteen nineties,
24:48
police departments, even within the same city, operated almost like
24:52
independent fiefdoms.
24:53
Speaker 1: Wait, so when you say silied policing, you literally mean
24:56
the team looking at one set of crimes and the
24:59
team look at at Rachel's murder might be in the
25:01
same building, and they just aren't talking to each other.
25:04
They aren't sharing files.
25:05
Speaker 2: Precisely, there was no centralized, digitized, easily searchable database that
25:09
instantly flagged connections. Information was kept in paper files in
25:13
specific filing cabinets belonging to specific investigative teams. If Detective
25:18
A in South London didn't physically pick up a phone
25:21
and called Detective B in West London, the connection was
25:24
never made.
25:25
Speaker 1: And while they're ignoring him, while his files are gathering
25:28
dust in a cabinet, Napper is busy becoming one of
25:31
the most prolific and dangerous attackers in London. He becomes
25:34
known as the Green Chain rapist.
25:36
Speaker 2: Right. The Green Chain refers to a network of linked
25:39
open spaces, parks and woodland pathways in Southeast London. Over
25:44
several years, Napper committed dozens of savage sexual assaults along
25:48
these specific.
25:48
Speaker 1: Paths and his mo His modus operandi was terrifyingly.
25:53
Speaker 2: Consistent, very consistent. He's specifically targeted women walking in open,
25:57
wooded spaces. He used knives to threaten and control them.
26:01
He frequently used strangulation and cruelly, sickeningly, there were often
26:06
children present during these attacks.
26:07
Speaker 1: So let me get this straight. You have a man
26:09
operating in parklands, he is attacking women with knives, he's
26:12
leaving them for dead, and children are frequently present. Yes,
26:16
it is practically a carbon copy of what happened to
26:19
Rachel Nicol. Why wasn't he the prime suspect for her
26:22
murder on day one? Why didn't someone connect those dots?
26:26
Speaker 2: Because of a rigid, fatal adherence to flawed parameters. The
26:30
police investigating Rachel's murder were aware of the green chain rapes.
26:34
Napper was actually brought into the periphery of their inquiries
26:36
early on as a potential suspect. Oh he was, yes,
26:40
but he was actively eliminated from the suspect pool, largely
26:43
because of a height discrepancy.
26:45
Speaker 1: Height discrepancy, Are you kidding me?
26:47
Speaker 2: Yes? Robert Napper was six foot two inches tall, but
26:51
due to his psychological and perhaps physical conditions, he had
26:54
a severe stoop, a heavily hunched posture. Witnesses from his
26:59
previous crimes, and even the initial descriptions from the Wimbledon
27:02
common attack, described a shorter man. Because Napper's actual height
27:06
on his medical records didn't pefectly match the witness estimates
27:09
of a man with a stoop, the detectives crossed him
27:12
off the list.
27:13
Speaker 1: I am expressing utter disbelief on behalf of anyone listening
27:16
right now. They cross a violent, known offender off the
27:19
list because of a stoop, while they are simultaneously inventing
27:23
an elaborate psychological profile to pin a murder on Colin Stagg,
27:26
who had no history of violence whatsoever.
27:28
Speaker 2: It's tragically absurd.
27:30
Speaker 1: The tragic irony of the police ignoring actual, documented violent
27:34
behavior because his medical records say he's six foot two
27:38
while chasing a fabricated psychological profile of a guy who
27:41
walks his dog is just maddening.
27:44
Speaker 2: It is the ultimate danger of tunnel vision. Once they
27:47
decided Colin Stagg was the killer, any evidence that pointed
27:50
to someone else was viewed as an annoyance, an administrative
27:53
error to be dismissed. They lacked a centralized, objective analytical approach.
27:59
Speaker 1: And the cost of that failure is measured directly in
28:01
human lives because Napper's crimes escalated rapidly in nineteen ninety two.
28:06
Between March and May of that year, he commits several
28:08
attempted rapes on the Green Chain, including aggressively assaulting a
28:12
mother in front of her child, eerily similar, eerily terrifyingly
28:15
similar to what was about to happen to Rachel. Then,
28:17
on July fifteenth, nineteen ninety two, he travels to Wimbledon
28:20
Common and murders Rachel nicol and because the police become
28:23
instantly obsessed with framing Colin Stag, Naper remains completely free
28:27
for another sixteen months, which leads us to November nineteen
28:30
ninety three.
28:31
Speaker 2: In November nineteen ninety three, Napper escalated from parks to
28:34
home invasion. He broke into a basement flat and plumstead
28:37
in southeast London. The flat belonged to a twenty seven
28:40
year old woman named Samantha Bissos oh No. What occurred
28:44
in that flat represents the absolute extreme of sadistic, uncontrolled violence.
28:49
He stabs Samantha to death. He then raped and smothered
28:52
her four year old daughter, Jasmine. Furthermore, the post mortem
28:56
mutilation of Samantha's body was horrific. He took physical trophies
29:00
from the crime scene.
29:02
Speaker 1: The source material notes something that really drove home the
29:04
horror of this for me. The scene was so gruesome,
29:08
so beyond the pale of normal crime scene investigation, that
29:11
the seasoned police photographer who documented it required two years
29:15
of psychiatric leave afterward.
29:16
Speaker 2: Two whole years.
29:17
Speaker 1: Two years. That is the level of evil. The police
29:20
left walking the streets because they were busy writing love
29:23
letters to Colin Stagg.
29:24
Speaker 2: Napper was finally arrested in nineteen ninety four, and it
29:27
wasn't through brilliant connected detective work. It was a stroke
29:30
of basic forensic.
29:31
Speaker 1: Luck, of course, it was.
29:33
Speaker 2: He left a fingerprint at the Bisitt crime scene and
29:35
that print was matched. In nineteen ninety five, he pleaded
29:38
guilty to the Bissot murders, as well as formally admitting
29:41
to several of the other rapes and attempted rapes along
29:44
the Green chain. He was immediately sent to Broadmoor Hospital,
29:48
which is a high security psychiatric facility in the UK.
29:51
Speaker 1: But even then, even when they have this absolute monster
29:54
locked up in Broadmore, a man who explicitly murders mothers
29:58
and children, that detective investigating Rachel Nichols's murder still dismissed
30:03
the similarities they did. They were so deeply dug into
30:06
their tunnel vision on Colin's stag that they couldn't see
30:09
the truth staring them in the face. How is that
30:11
psychologically possible for an investigator?
30:14
Speaker 2: Cognitive dissonance is a remarkably powerful force. To admit in
30:18
nineteen ninety five that Robert Napper was Rachel nichols killer
30:21
would mean admitting that Operation Edzel was not just an
30:24
embarrassing failure, but a fatal distraction that directly costs Samantha
30:28
and Jasmine Bissit their lives.
30:30
Speaker 1: Wow, they couldn't face it.
30:31
Speaker 2: The institution simply could not swallow that reality. At the time.
30:35
Their egos in their careers were entirely tied to the
30:37
guilt of Colin's drag.
30:38
Speaker 1: It took over a decade and the complete removal of
30:41
human bias for the truth to finally surface. We shift
30:45
now from the murky, subjective, ego driven world of nineteen
30:49
ninety psychological profiling to the cold, hard, objective world of science.
30:55
Speaker 2: The late nineteen nineties in early two thousands saw a
30:58
revolution in forensic science, specifically regarding DNA technology. The Metropolitan
31:03
Police established a dedicated cold case unit under Operation Enigma. Okay,
31:08
this was a sweeping review of unsolved murders, specifically utilizing
31:11
these new, incredibly sensitive scientific advancements.
31:15
Speaker 1: They went back into the archives, they pulled the physical
31:17
evidence gathered from Wimbledon Common in nineteen ninety two, and
31:20
they found something they simply couldn't detect a decade earlier,
31:23
A tiny microscopic trace of male DNA on Rachel's clothing.
31:28
Speaker 2: And this is where we have to explain how this
31:29
was possible. In nineteen ninety two, DNA testing was relatively primitive.
31:33
It needed a sample bow the size of a coin,
31:35
a visible bloodstain, a large amount of saliva to get
31:38
a readable profile.
31:39
Speaker 1: Right.
31:39
Speaker 2: But by two thousand and three, forensic science had developed
31:41
low copy number or LCN DNA profiling.
31:44
Speaker 1: Explain LCN to me, like I'm five years old, how
31:46
do you test something you can barely see.
31:49
Speaker 2: Thing of DNA like a very faint blueprint? In nineteen
31:52
ninety two, if the blueprint was too faint, you couldn't
31:55
read it. By two thousand and three, scientists developed a
31:57
process called polymerase chain react or PCR PCR. LCN testing
32:03
uses PCR to essentially act like a biological photocopier. It
32:07
can take just a handful of cells, literally microscopic skin
32:10
cells left on a garment by the friction of a
32:13
struggle and copy that tiny, faint DNA fragment thousands and
32:17
thousands of times. Did you have a large, clear enough
32:19
sample to read a full profile?
32:21
Speaker 1: Wow? So they take this invisible trace, they photocopy it chemically,
32:25
and they finally get a profile, and crucially, that DNA
32:27
profile did not match Colin Stag.
32:29
Speaker 2: No, it did not.
32:30
Speaker 1: It did not match Rachel's partner Andre, did not match
32:33
her son Alex. The scientists worked for months between two
32:36
thousand and three and two thousand and four meticulously refining
32:39
this tiny sample, and when they finally lyert through the
32:41
UK's national DNA database, it matched Robert Napper, who was
32:45
already sitting in broad More.
32:46
Speaker 2: It is the ultimate vindication of objective science over subjective theory.
32:50
Speaker 1: It's like DNA is this incredibly patient, perfectly impartial witness
32:55
who waited sixteen years in a dark cardboard evidence box
32:59
to find only take the stand and tell the undeniable.
33:02
Speaker 2: Truth beautifully put.
33:03
Speaker 1: You can't argue with it, you can't profile it away.
33:06
Doesn't care about your ego or your media strategy.
33:08
Speaker 3: It just is.
33:10
Speaker 2: This breakthrough was a watershed moment for British policing. It
33:14
marked a definitive cultural transition away from personality led subjective
33:19
investigations toward evidence based DNA led protocols.
33:23
Speaker 1: Right.
33:24
Speaker 2: It fundamentally changed how cold case reviews were conducted. You
33:27
no longer start with a psychological theory and desperately hunt
33:30
for evidence to support it. You start with the hard
33:32
science and let the science dictate the theory.
33:34
Speaker 1: So they interview Napper at Broadmoor, He's charged, and finally,
33:38
on December eighteen, two thousand and eight, at the Old Bailey,
33:41
the final legal shoe drops. Robert Napper pleads guilty to
33:44
the manslaughter of Rachel Nichol on the grounds of diminished
33:46
responsibility due to his severe schizophrenia. He is ordered to
33:50
be detained indefinitely at Broadmore. The judge explicitly describes him
33:55
as a very dangerous man. His crimes were so heinous
33:58
that even his own mother public disowned him, and finally,
34:01
the Metropolitan Police are forced to issue a formal public
34:05
apology to Collin Stag.
34:07
Speaker 2: But the demand for accountability didn't start with the conviction.
34:10
The Independent Police Complaints Commission the IPCC launched the thorough
34:14
independent review of the entire Rachel Nickel investigation.
34:18
Speaker 1: And what did they find?
34:19
Speaker 2: Their resulting report was absolutely scathing. They didn't mince words.
34:23
They detailed what they called a catalog of bad decisions
34:26
and errors.
34:27
Speaker 1: They laid all the dirty laundry out the missed mother's
34:30
tip in nineteen eighty nine, the absolute failure to link
34:33
the green chain rapes eliminating Napper because of a minor
34:36
height discrepancy. The utter ethical disaster of Operation Edzell follow it.
34:41
But here is the kicker, and this is the part
34:42
that makes you realize how flawed the system is. Despite
34:45
this massive official report detailing how police incompetence let a
34:49
serial killer rome free and cost two more innocent lives,
34:53
no officers faced official discipline.
34:55
Speaker 2: It is intensely frustrating, but the reason is bureaucratic. By
34:59
the time I'm the IPCC report was finalized and published,
35:03
many of the key officers involved, including the senior detectives
35:06
who drove the stag fixation, had already retired from the
35:09
police force.
35:10
Speaker 1: Of course, they had the.
35:11
Speaker 2: Discipliner and mechanisms of the police suspension, demotion, firing no
35:15
longer applied to them as civilians.
35:17
Speaker 1: I have to ask, is the lack of discipline for
35:19
these retired officers assigned that the system fundamentally protects its
35:23
own using retirement as a convenient escape hatch. Or is
35:27
it just the frustrating, mundane reality of bureaucracy moving too
35:31
slowly over time.
35:32
Speaker 2: It is a bitter reality of both. Bureaucratic rules regarding
35:36
retirement do create a shield, whether intentional or not, against
35:39
delayed accountability. It looks terrible to the public.
35:42
Speaker 1: It really does.
35:43
Speaker 2: You have accountability on paper. The IPCC report exists. The
35:46
catastrophic errors are forever documented in history, but there are
35:50
no real world, tangible consequences for the individuals who actually
35:53
made those disastrous choices. They keep their pensions. It leaves
35:56
a very sour taste regarding institutional justice.
35:59
Speaker 1: And while the legal case officially closed in two thousand
36:02
and eight, for the real people who actually lived through
36:04
this nightmare, the timeline didn't stop, the trauma didn't magically vanish.
36:10
We have to look at the long shadow.
36:11
Speaker 3: Of this case.
36:12
Speaker 2: Yes, the human eyement.
36:13
Speaker 1: We have to look at the collateral damage and honestly
36:16
the incredible inspiring resilience of the survivors, because the human
36:21
cost here is immeasurable.
36:23
Speaker 2: Let's start with Colin Stag. He was officially cleared, he
36:26
finally received his public apology, and he was awarded seven
36:29
hundred and six thousand pounds in compensation in two thousand
36:32
and eight, which it should be noted, was a record
36:35
amount of the time for a miscarriage of justice. Right,
36:38
But you don't just deposit a check and cure a
36:40
decade of trauma. The psychological scars remained deep.
36:44
Speaker 1: He wrote books about his experience to try and reclaim
36:46
his narrative, books like Who Really Killed Rachel Pariah. He
36:50
used some of his compensation to buy his council house.
36:53
He donated money to charity. He genuinely tried to build
36:56
a normal life.
36:57
Speaker 2: But it wasn't easy.
36:58
Speaker 1: No, he is spoken openly about living with intense paranoia
37:02
for years, and how could he not When the entire
37:05
apparatus of the state spends millions trying to frame you,
37:08
You don't just bounce back. He also rightfully criticized the system,
37:13
pointing out the dark absurdity of taxpayers continuing to fund
37:16
Napper's extremely expensive care at Broadmoor after everything the system
37:20
got wrong.
37:20
Speaker 2: The trauma of being falsely accused, of being universally hated
37:24
by your country, of receiving death threats, it induces a
37:28
profound form of complex PTSD. Stagg's life was fundamentally derailed
37:33
and his trust in society was permanently fractured. Absolutely, But
37:37
the other profound story of survival here belongs to Rachel's family,
37:41
Andre Hanscomb and his son Alex.
37:42
Speaker 1: The devastation for them was absolute. Not only did they
37:45
lose Rachel in the most horrific, violent way imaginable, but
37:48
they were then hounded by the media. The press intrusion
37:50
was relentless.
37:51
Speaker 2: Tabloid reporters were camping outside their home exactly.
37:55
Speaker 1: Andre quickly realized they couldn't heal, they couldn't even grieve
37:58
properly in that toxic environm so he took Alex and
38:01
they left the UK. They moved to France and eventually
38:04
settled in Spain near Barcelona, just to escape the noise
38:07
and try to rebuild a quiet life.
38:09
Speaker 2: Yeah.
38:10
Speaker 1: Andre actually wrote a deeply moving book about their life together,
38:14
called The Last Thursday in.
38:15
Speaker 2: July, and Alex's journey transitioning from that traumatized two year
38:20
old to the man he is today is truly remarkable.
38:24
We have to view this through the psychological concept of
38:27
post traumatic growth.
38:28
Speaker 1: Tell me more about that.
38:29
Speaker 2: Post traumatic growth isn't just about bouncing back to who
38:32
you were before the trauma. It is about undergoing a
38:35
fundamental transformation. It's about finding profound new meaning and strength
38:39
because of the struggle.
38:41
Speaker 1: I love that concept.
38:41
Speaker 2: Alex suffered terrible nightmares, as you would fully expect for
38:44
a child who witnessed such graphic violence, but he didn't
38:47
succumb to the trauma. He actively, bravely sought healing.
38:52
Speaker 1: He found solace in physical and mental disciplines yoga, music, hypnotherapy.
38:58
He did the hard, agonized daily work of processing his
39:02
complex grief, and he grew up to write his own book,
39:05
a beautiful memoir called Letting Go.
39:07
Speaker 2: That's an incredible read.
39:08
Speaker 1: He now speaks publicly. He talks about faith, about survival,
39:12
and about the paramount importance of protecting children from trauma.
39:16
The bond between Alex and Andrea is described in all
39:19
the sources as incredibly powerful. They credit each other's presence
39:22
and strength for getting them through the darkest years. Andrea
39:25
worked as a tennis coach, providing stability and routine, and
39:28
they just leaned on each other.
39:30
Speaker 2: This is the contrast that is so vital to understand
39:32
when studying this case. You have the destructive legacy of
39:36
the police investigation, the catastrophic errors, the rampant ego, the
39:39
tunnel vision that caused so much pain, and then standing
39:42
in direct opposition to that you have the constructive legacy
39:46
that Andrea and alex built. They absolutely refuse to let
39:49
Rachel's memory be defined solely by the violence of her
39:52
death or the incompetence of the police force. They defined
39:55
her legacy through their own resilience, their healing.
39:58
Speaker 1: And their love, which brings a to how we culturally
40:01
remember this case today. Because in twenty twenty six, Netflix
40:04
released two major projects, a dramatized three part series called
40:09
The Witness and a companiing documentary called The Murder of
40:12
Rachel Nickel. Well, they're very impactful, and what is absolutely
40:15
crucial here, what separates this from cheap true crime is
40:18
that alex Andre actively consulted on these projects.
40:22
Speaker 2: Their direct involvement ensures that the narrative remains focused on
40:25
the human element. When survivors consult, it prevents the story
40:29
from slipping into mere true crime sensationalism, where the killer
40:32
is the star and the victims are just props.
40:34
Speaker 3: Exactly.
40:35
Speaker 2: The Folks of the Witness is heavily on Andre and
40:37
Alex's internal fight for peace amidst the external chaos of
40:41
the flawed investigation. It's about honoring Rachel as a person,
40:45
not just a victim.
40:46
Speaker 1: Yeah. There have been other media portrayals over the years,
40:49
like the twenty twenty one series Deceit, which focused heavily
40:52
on the mechanics of the undercover operation, and prime videos
40:55
the Wimbledon Killer, but having the family involved in the
40:59
twenty twenty six really brings an emotional depth and a
41:01
moral center that you just can't manufacture in a writer's room.
41:04
Completely agree, and beyond the media representation, the broader systemic
41:09
impacts on policing are tangible.
41:11
Speaker 2: The Nickel case was a painful, highly visible catalyst for
41:15
necessary reform within UK law enforcement. It led to much
41:18
stricter formalized protocols regarding the legal and ethical use of
41:22
undercover entrapment. Good operations like EDZEL would face significantly more
41:27
scrutiny today. It highlighted the absolute undeniable necessity of dedicated,
41:31
scientifically driven cold case units. It accelerated the reliance on
41:35
and funding for a national DNA.
41:37
Speaker 3: Databases, all very necessary changes, and.
41:39
Speaker 2: Importantly, it forced the police to critically reevaluate how they
41:43
support the families of victims, recognizing that they are grieving
41:46
people in need of specialized liaison, rather than treating them
41:49
merely as witnesses or liabilities to the investigation.
41:52
Speaker 1: So what does this all mean? You hear a story
41:54
this dark, A beautiful young mother murdered in front of
41:58
her child on a sunny morning, a bizarre millions of
42:01
pounds police sting, targeting an innocent man, a known serial
42:05
killer ignored by the very people supposed to catch him,
42:08
and you expect it to end in total despair.
42:11
Speaker 2: You really do.
42:12
Speaker 1: It feels like a story where the bad guys won
42:14
for way too long. But Alex Andandre refused to let
42:17
Rachel's story In that way, they chose healing over hatred,
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They chose advocacy over silence.
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Speaker 2: It is a profound testament to the human spirit's incredible
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capacity to endure, to adapt and defined meaning even in
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the wake of senseless, preventable tragedy.
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Speaker 1: To quickly recap the long journey we've taken today, we
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started on a sunny Wimbledon common that was shattered by
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unthinkable violence. We navigated through a complex maze of institutional arrogance,
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where police ego and highly subjective profiling went completely rogue,
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destroying an innocent man's life while a monster escalated his crimes.
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And finally we saw the ultimate triumph of objective science,
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and the incredible, enduring resilience of a father and son
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who simply wouldn't be broken by the system.
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Speaker 2: As we close, there is one final, broader implication of
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this case that we haven't touched on directly, but it
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truly underpins everything that went wrong from day one. What's
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that It is the deep tension between our societal demand
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for immediate answers and the slow, meticulous pace required for
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true justice. When a horrific crime occurs, the public and
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the media understandably scream for an instant resolution. We want
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an arrest tonight. We want to feel safe again today.
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Speaker 3: It's human nature, it is.
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Speaker 2: But that intense, suffocating pressure creates a toxic environment where
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authorities are tempted to cut corners, to force a narrative,
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or to rely on subjective profiling rather than doing the hard,
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slow work of waiting for the evidence.
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Speaker 1: It really makes you rethink how we consume this stuff.
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As you scroll through true crime content, or as you
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watch breaking news about a tragedy unfold on your phone,
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ask yourself a hard question. Our collective demands for a
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quick villain, for a neat and tidy resolution. By the
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six o'clock news actually making it easier for the real
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monsters to hsight.
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Speaker 2: A really important question to consider.
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Speaker 1: Thank you for joining us on this deep dive. Keep
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asking questions, keep demanding evidence, and always look beyond the headlines.
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We'll see you next time.