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Ep 57: Manchester United Win at Arsenal, Cunha Magic, Dorgu Screamer & Upcoming Protest! · Let's Kick It Off!

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As Have you been watching Traitors?
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Yes. Do you watch the final?
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Yeah, I've just like I was. I was behind because I just
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started watching it for the first time.
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Same. Yeah.
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Yeah, I I watched this season. I started last Sunday.
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Was it Steve? Yeah, you've done it in like a
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week, Ash, and caught up for the final.
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Wow, OK. I was really disappointed.
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I was so disappointed. That what did you want to
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happen? For for us.
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For us had it. He had it.
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I know Oh every idiot. It was just it was just like
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what's wrong with you? He's he's worked it out your
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mates with him. He's like he's told you that you
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want to end with you 2 and then what are you doing?
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Yeah, he flocked. What he he melt with?
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Yeah, he melted like Arsenal. So yeah, I was, I was teamed for
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us. Especially after hearing what he
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wanted to do with the money. Yeah.
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Would have been cool. Yeah, really good.
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Yeah, and Stephen could have stitched up Rachel, but he
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bottled it, didn't he? I think he was scared of.
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Her one he would he would be scared of her but also I think I
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think the way he would have felt is he couldn't he couldn't have
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lived with himself That's all it was versus the money so he.
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Was so nervous, like every episode it's like I think I've
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made a mistake. That's what I mean like.
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He later. On traitor and I don't know why
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he never got voted out. Yeah, yeah.
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So many of them were like, yeah, Stephen's a traitor, but yeah,
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he never got enough votes. Yeah, disappoint, really
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disappointed with the people on that show that they let the two
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traitors win. It got go all the way.
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Yeah. But like, it was just, it was
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disappointing because there were enough people who called them
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out. Yeah, everyone else was like
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ignoring it. It was ridiculous.
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Even that barrister was just directly.
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Well, I know it's you, Rachel. Yeah, that was funny when she
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was in, when she was talking to them in the confession and
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she's. Like confession me was
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hilarious. I know you're there, Rachel.
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It was quite. Funny and her face.
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Yeah, tell you what, I might have just solved something.
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Reuben Amrim was a traitor. I told you sure already.
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That was my I think I've had this theory.
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Oh yeah, undercover. That was it for Sheikh Jaseem.
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Exactly. The mole.
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Let's kick it off. I'm Steve and I'm joined by Ash
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and us. It's been a couple of weeks
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since we caught up as you've not been on since the Michael
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Carrick resurgence started this weekend.
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Manchester United won 32 at the Emirates against Arsenal.
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Did they? Oh, Oh yes, Oh yes, Oh yes.
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We do love a win at the Emirates in the black kit.
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We warn them Gooners pre match, didn't we, that we're turning up
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in the black kit like you today, Ash.
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But yeah, as Michael Carrick, what has he done to this team?
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It's crazy, isn't it? Like you always we talked about
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we need some some vibes, right? We need, we need some better
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vibes. Nothing like an old, you know,
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is legends. Probably too strong a word for
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Carrick. Is it, isn't it legends?
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I mean, I he's nothing great. Yeah, he's a.
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No, he's a legend. You know, we have to have, we
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need a tie ring system. Yeah, Darren Fletcher was called
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a legend. So Darren Fletcher, that's what
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I mean. He's not a legend.
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Oh, no, he's not even a great. He's a great servant.
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Just I think Rooney mentioned this recently.
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So there's only two players that have ever won the Premier
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League, the FA Cup, the League Cup, the Champions League, the
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Europa League and the Club World Cup.
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If you want to count that. One of them is Wayne Rooney.
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The other one's Michael Carrick. Carrick was a key cog in Unite,
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one of United's best teams ever. The top you're wearing there,
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Ashley Carrick, was key in that team, Yeah.
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This is in homage to him and the death of Arsenal's title
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challenge, so I hope you're listening.
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Carry on, us. But he's definitely legend.
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Yeah, I think at the time though, do you remember when I
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was discussing this like, oh, Carrick's under under
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appreciated by our fan base as a player?
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As a player, yeah, I think people look back and because of
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that, we've never haven't solved that midfield problem.
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Like, Oh yeah, yeah, that's a player.
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You know, we had like 6 months of Matic doing it.
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Apart from that, no one really having that sort of holding and
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controlling role. But yeah, he's he's brought the
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the feel good factor back. I think he simply simplified the
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tactics. And he's also, we talked about
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Ruben being unlucky. He's also got a bit lucky as
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well, which is good because he's come in just as all of the key
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players have come back from AF Con Martinez and McGuire back in
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the centre back positions. Not, you know, the likes of
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Heaven and Euro, for example. But and also we generally, you
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know, historically have been up for a big game anyway, but
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you're going to be up for a big game with the new manager that
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also somewhat suits our players right to have that sort of more
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mid block style and then and and be aggressive.
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So he's done everything right. They came up with a good plan
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that works against his opposition.
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Big tests to come right where we're going to now face Ash's
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mate Marco Silva is going to put more a block on.
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Can they break the block down Portuguese wall?
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Yeah, but for these two games, everyone was up for it.
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I thought Old Trafford, rock rocking against City and the
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Emirates is, you know, a place that we've had, we've had good
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memories, right? So.
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There's a lot of nervous energy in the Emirates, Ash, right?
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You could feel that from during the game.
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I think, you know, Gary Neville picked up on it.
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You could, yeah. Just feel it like it was
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slightly nervous from quite early in the game.
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But you know what? I obviously don't watch Arsenal
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week in, week out, especially at the Emirates.
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But when I was watching the first half, yeah, it sounded
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like a morgue, to be honest. That's normal, especially when I
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go there. But the cheers when they get a
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corner, Oh my God. Like, I was like, have they
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scored a goal already? I mean, and yeah, they've got
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songs apparently about the set pieces.
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So yeah, we might as just call them Set Piece FCI.
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Saw a start. I don't, I don't know if it's
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true. I mean, I think it's true that
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they're 17th in the league. Both open play goals.
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That is mental. There's also a start along the
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lines of when they score with a set piece, they win like most of
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the time. Like I, I think it's as high as
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like 90% for this season. But yeah.
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I don't know, I really don't like it.
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I don't understand why refs allow it because it's one thing
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being good at set pieces, but it just seems like a rugby scrum in
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there, yeah. Everyone I.
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Mean. It's ridiculous.
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It's not football. And it was like 7 players like
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on the goal line every in the second.
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For me, the ball comes in. If I was a ref, I'd just blow up
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and be like, well, there was definitely a foul in there
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somewhere. Because this is just not, this
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is not, you know, when we when we play football is that
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everyone rugby tackle everyone. Don't you just try and win a
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header like you, you, you get touched tight you, but you don't
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the the amount of like grabbing and holding and shoving.
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It's just just. The thing is, it's like it's
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not, it's not both Bolton Wanderers, is it?
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Like you look at Arsenal's squad, it's not like they have
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to do that. No, but just quickly on set
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pieces like this is a trend that actually started last season
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with like especially within swinging corners.
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So it's obviously a technique that players with tech as like a
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Cunya like Wolves against an honour or Declan Rice's
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perfected over the last like couple of years.
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So it's definitely a ball hitting skill.
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It kind of was like actually reminiscent of this shirt.
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You remember when Ronaldo put the valve at the top when he
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done a free kick and then Drogba started doing it.
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And this feels like the new the new trend over the last like
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year because like other teams, I've seen them take corners and
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I'm like, wow, the in swing that they can get on these balls.
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So it's obviously something that I've been working on.
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I don't mind that. I think that's that's good skill
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right now. But the actual delivery I really
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appreciate. But it's the it's crowding the
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goalkeeper. Yeah, but it's a set play that
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everyone's clearly doing, right? Even I just think it should be
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blown up as fouls. Yeah, yeah.
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I mean, I'm, you know, these types of goals.
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Is it a foul? Is it a foul, though?
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Like it's like, let's just take Pete Jose because like he's a
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Dark arts manager that will do anything to win.
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And if you can, crowd the goalkeeper.
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If you stand around the goalkeeper and do nothing, I
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have no. Issue with it, fine.
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OK, you're saying? No issue with standing and
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standing your ground, but there's a lot of likes using
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your body weight and pushing people.
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Right. Bolton Wanderers.
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Stokes. And so they're they're all
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shoving each other and it's just like, come on, this is this is a
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bit silly. I mean, I don't watch Arsene in
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the Champions League. It'd be interesting to know that
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they do the same thing and they get away with it because I don't
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like it. I think they, you know, I would
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rather watch a proper game of football.
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And if their whole thing is just you, let's get a corner, let's
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cheer that and then let's try and rugby tackle the ball over
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the net. Into the net then you know, that
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shouldn't be awarded with it's not that you know, we don't want
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the Premier League champions being 17 the next open play
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goals. I've got to say though, like I
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want to talk way more about Michael Carrick than Arsenal,
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but like I did see Arsenal and I was just looking at them
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thinking they're like a very efficient David Moyes better
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version team like and and to Steve's point, like the players
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that they've actually got, they should be doing way more.
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There was a lot of square passes, you know, no line
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breaking passes, even like body movement.
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They weren't going into the spaces in the pockets like
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soccer. I know he had a major injury
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with the hamstring. Even he looks like his body
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movement is more efficient because of the hamstring problem
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that he had or major injury that he had.
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Like, he doesn't look like he's really getting into his stride
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and, you know, like that extra degree that you need, like in
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your running. It feels like he's just too
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efficient and therefore he's just like circulating the ball
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compared to say, two years ago, You remember that cracking game
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that they won against us where Rashford scored and like soccer,
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scored an absolute belter in the second-half that that's not the
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soccer of today. Yeah I mean if you see the stats
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for their attackers as well, like sackers not scored in 13
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appearances in all comps. My mate Victor Yokores 0 non
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penalty goals and 11 appearances.
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Still pay 100 million for him, Steve.
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Probably because he he might have delivered for us.
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Especially under Michael Carrick.
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Martinelli 0 in 13. Yeah, it's just like.
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I think five goals is their top goal scorer, right?
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And I think own goals is is it second or third?
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Yeah, and obviously, Speaking of own goals, that's where the game
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started with Martinez, right? I'm sure somewhere Nikki, Bart
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and pool skulls were ready to pile in on their next podcast.
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But yeah, just a crap goal to concede.
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Like it felt like Martinez was too busy.
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You know, like hustling and bustling.
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Again, there was a lot. Gary was a bit harsh on him to
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be honest. The what the the biggest mistake
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he made was missing the ball. Apart from that, like being
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touched tight with timber giving his size as well.
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I don't think it's like the biggest defensive error I've
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seen ever kind of thing. And he had a great game guys
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thing. He was brilliant.
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Harry Maguire, Unbelievable. That is by far one of the best
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games I've ever seen Harry Maguire have like he's because
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not only did he do backs to the wall defending great in the air,
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he actually stepped out and like was marking and intercepting
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brilliantly. He even created a chance when we
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were one nil down because he pushed up.
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So he was excellent. They were both good.
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I think Martinez with the distribution like the line
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breaking balls was really good. But obviously when you go one
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nil down early at the Emirates, you're starting to think, oh,
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you know, could be in trouble here.
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But then to get the equaliser pretty quickly as like and boom,
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obviously a mistake from Arsenal trying to play it out from the
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back, but he took it well and got us back in the game.
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The key to the goal? Let's compare these two teams.
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Which team was more on the front foot with the press that came
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from pressure? Yeah, right.
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If we've if you don't watch Arsenal against us, we were calm
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playing it out. Martinez and McGuire weren't
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under pressure. We put them under pressure.
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Super Mendy, if he if he has all the time in the world, he never
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makes that mistake. And Bumo's there to to get get
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on that ball and then class finish.
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Like, yeah, class finish. So.
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Calm. Took it well.
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And if you look at it, you know, three goal scorers right in Bumo
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Cunya dawg. I was coming.
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I was. Preparing for this all day.
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Yeah, Jim's done a good job, isn't he there?
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With this way we can't do it, isn't it?
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With like Premier League proven and we.
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Talked, we talked, you know, I said, look, we have paid too
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much for him, yes, but he's a quality player and you put, and
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This is why I'm like having him back from AFCON makes a big
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difference because he's in my opinion the second best player
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in the team. And you get him back in the
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team, then you're going to get goals.
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Yeah, I just wanted to touch on the press because as makes a
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good point, the goal speaks for itself.
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But we had two chances even before that, and that's all
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because of pressing. And it's not like Jurgen Klopp
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style, you know, metal, you know, heavy metal pressing,
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right? It's smart, Michael Carrick
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style pressing, like cutting passing angles and passing
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lanes, right, all the boring technical stuff.
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But like these intricate details is what's so important.
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And we'll talk about it later when we're talking about Carrick
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staff, because I've I feel like I've seen an impact with the
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staff that he's got in place there as well.
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But obviously, Steve, like you know, once we get it back to
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one, one what you think and then.
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Well, I was just going to give Carrick credit as well for
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actually playing in Boomer up top, which he did obviously in
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the Derby and at the Emirates and obviously paid off.
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So credit to Carrick for that. But yeah, one all I just like,
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yeah, because we got the equaliser pretty quickly.
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You know, you're buzzing off that and starting to dream about
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getting the getting the lead off off Arsenal.
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So it was just after the second-half, wasn't it?
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So I actually had Raffy to myself.
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So I was rushing his bath and I had the phone, the game on my
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phone. So I was doing Raffi's bath as
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Dorgu scored. I mean, what a strike.
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Like have you heard the new nicknames as Balon Balon, Dorgu
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as soon as the next Gareth Bale? Who, who, who?
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Who first said he was the next Gareth Bale?
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You, you love, you love your WhatsApp history, don't you,
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Steve? Yeah, you should search for bail
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in our WhatsApp. Group Can you get a GIF and put
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like a? Crown, I think you did say it, I
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think. You did say it.
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I mean, I've said it quite jokingly, but I did say if we
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sign this guy, he's the next guy.
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Because obviously what happens is you get linked to someone,
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you start watching YouTube. Yeah.
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And I was like, oh, he plays a bit on the right wing sometimes
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for Leche, but he's got this sort of kick and rush game where
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he just knocks the ball and just runs really fast.
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And it's like reminds me of Gareth Bell a little bit.
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He's not shown it for a, you know, for most of his time
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because Reuben sucking my wing back.
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No, but Bale started, remember, as a left back or a left left.
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Yeah, that he's, he's been able to get up, do the up and down,
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but. But his final ball hasn't really
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been good. It hasn't.
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He hasn't been able to make the right decision and and make the
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final pass. But the athleticism was always
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there. Credit to Darren Fletcher to put
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him on the left against Burnley because I think that's helped
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him like realise the potential and give him confidence, right,
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Because he can gallop. And I think you're right in
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terms of the way the way he actually runs.
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It is like Bailesque. He's got long legs and it's
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strides rather than, you know, like I don't know, Ian Robin
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type runner or Mark over Myers back in the day type of runner.
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Yeah, but it's it's interesting because everyone's like, oh, I
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don't like the the back three. It's too defensive.
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It becomes a back 5, but you kind of had the back 6 because
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there's Doku and Ahmad who were the traditional wingbacks right
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in Amaram system and he had four defenders behind them.
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The shapes better, way better though.
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Like you can see it's been coached, right?
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Like that's what I mean like going back to City very quickly.
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They had three days that performance was outstanding.
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It's like one of the best performances like in in years,
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especially given the time period.
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I'd actually say yesterday was a little bit more scrappy, but
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Arsenal made it like that. But credit to, you know, both
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performances like there it wasn't a fluke.
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Like normally we we've had wins, especially over the last like
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2-3 years. You could say more backs to the
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wall, but I think Carrick and and the team master class in
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both games. But also that period, like
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before Dorgu's goal, like before half time, I think Neville said
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it going into half time, we started to like we get
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comfortable I think like 10 minutes before half time.
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And then even coming out in the second-half, we were knocking it
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around for like 10/10/15 minutes I think before Dog's goal.
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Like there was a little move where we had the ball for a bit.
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So I've not seen us play that confidently like away a big team
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in a long time. So yeah.
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Steve Holland training drill, was that?
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Yeah, I mean, who knows? It's not, it's not that.
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It's it's it's look. Only because you don't like him.
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No, no, no, not not that Steve Holland's actually a really good
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coach. My issue with Steve Holland, and
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you know, I'm very big fan of England, right?
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So England, Southgate, Holland, I've never had an issue.
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My issue with Holland was always would he be too defensive,
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right, as a as a manager. But when you have, if you've got
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someone offensive that I think Carrick's got a more offensive
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minded approach, but also the the defensive scheme work for
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these two opponents, right. Let's again, let's see if we can
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break down. But you know, setting, setting
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up a kind of 442 block. You know, it's not rocket
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science tactics, but what you need is to give the players the
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confidence to be able to execute because they these are good
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players. I've always said these
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technically good players let the let if you if you sort of let
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them play, they can play. And that's what we saw.
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So it's not like, you know, there's some kind of coaching
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thing. These are just.
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These are no. I totally disagree because like
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even with the first game against City Carrick afterwards he
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talked about how they worked on the shape in terms of
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compressing space. No, there's defensive side
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you're we're talking about the attacking game.
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It's so for example. No, but the the compression
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helps with the attacking game though, right, because like
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you're essentially inviting the opposition because you're right,
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these are two technically, you know, gifted passing teams in
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City and and arsenal. So you're inviting it to spring
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on the counter attack, right. So that's why I do think it's
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more than just vibes or just say like 442 go out there boys and
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and do it. But like there's got to be a lot
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what I'm saying because. This is this is sort of, kind of
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football fundamentals. It's not rocket science.
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It is, but what I would say is like for modern day players, and
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we've spoken about this in previous pods, like that's not
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easy because in our day, play 442.
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Like I could get you boys and a bunch of other guys from our age
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group play 442. And actually, yeah, you're
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right, you probably don't need to do too much.
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It's a bit like Ancelotti style but modern day players.
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They need information all the time.
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Well, did did Ruben make it rocket science then?
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If it's not rocket science. No, the 44, the 442, the 442 is
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a really easy system like to play.
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It's a very, very easy system. It's the easiest system.
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We've all played it very simple because you have you, you have
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two, two blocks basically, right, Two banks, there's two
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banks, there's someone and there's and you work in pairs.
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That's all it is, right? So and what and all you need to
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do to make sure it works defensively is your two wingers
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have to be defensively minded. That's why Dogu and Ahmad,
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having played wingback, can already do this.
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So in both games they doubled up on the winger and the the what
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happens? The ball gets funnelled wide and
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there there's nowhere to go and then it has to go wide again.
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So good. Another important point, Steve.
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Good team selection. Yeah, good team selection.
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But he's basically, you know, set up in a But what what the
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point we're talking about is that attacking game, the flair,
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What, what what it comes that that these are just so when you
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know, he hasn't coached Bruno to do that sort of that disguised
21:40
past the the the goal in the city game.
21:42
That's just genius, right, You know what I mean?
21:45
That's freedom. It's it's and and and the door
21:48
goo little. The the goal is just you let you
21:50
you go, right, you go and go and you know, when we get the ball,
21:55
go and attack, go hard at them. And that's that positive
21:58
mentality and a bit of luck because that, you know, hits the
22:01
bar and goes in and it's the one of the greatest goals.
22:05
And the. Emirates.
22:06
It was. It was.
22:07
It was. An open play it.
22:08
Was Tony Uboa style for me. It was like the way it hits the
22:11
bar, yeah, but the way, you know, do you remember that Uboa
22:14
goal where it kind of like it's sort of flicking around hit to
22:17
hit? Which goal was that?
22:18
I've seen that one. The Wimbledon 1.
22:20
Yeah, it's like it's bouncing around and it's just this whack.
22:24
It just sits up, yeah. Absolutely bang.
22:26
Brilliant. Like brilliant.
22:28
And it's not like somehow he's Carrick's set up fifty of those
22:32
guns and and he's told Dolgo to do this.
22:34
It's just a moment of brilliant. But but to give Carrick credit,
22:38
he's clearly given Dogu confidence.
22:40
Yeah, won by the whole. Team Steve.
22:43
But like, you know, just in contrast to Reuben, you know,
22:45
Reuben was in press conferences talking about Dogu's anxiety out
22:50
in out in the open. So just to contrast, like the
22:52
simple things Carrick's done, he's not done, you know,
22:56
questionable things like that. And clearly these, all these
22:58
little 1%, two percent feed into the the ultimate outcome, right?
23:03
So it's just there's a lot of things.
23:06
It's it's actually something that us loves talking about,
23:08
especially before we started the pod in the Jose days about like
23:12
what you say as a manager, like, you know, it's almost like the
23:15
energy that you project and what it brings to the table.
23:19
Michael Carrick from Tai one has just been on it.
23:22
I know he's actually united, but like even his personality, like
23:26
he's got criticism in our community for being boring, but
23:29
like he's cool boring. Like the way he plays his
23:33
football is the way he talks, like he's understated, but a
23:36
brilliant football brain, right? And that's what's coming across
23:39
in terms of the way he speaks. He's a statesman.
23:41
He's talked about how he's looking forward to the
23:44
challenge. He's up for it.
23:45
He's not moaning about all the interviews that he's done.
23:48
It's the complete opposite of Ruben.
23:49
And like this is nothing against Ruben the person, but it just
23:53
shows that the job was too big for Ruben.
23:56
And I do think, Steve, to your point, Carrick deserves a lot of
23:59
credit for the it's almost like the freedom that he's given the
24:03
players to not just express themselves, which is massively
24:07
important, right? Because that's why we saw the
24:09
goals that we've seen in the last two games.
24:11
But even concentration levels when defending, like we got a
24:14
clean sheet against City, like we can get a clean sheet for
24:18
for, you know, for Toffee. And do you remember I was saying
24:20
a few weeks ago, like, if you want to see improvements and if
24:23
you want to see us be able to get Champions League football,
24:26
you need like that step up. And Carrick, thank God, has been
24:29
able to do that. You're getting a contract then.
24:33
We'll come, we'll come on to that, we'll come on to that.
24:36
But just again, the little things.
24:38
So like I believe we were two one up when Dorgu got like, you
24:42
know, cramp or whatever it was and he brings on Chesco for
24:45
Dorgu. So he brings on an attacker for
24:47
Dorgu. I'm pretty sure, you know, Ruben
24:49
wouldn't have done that. So again, that's more in the
24:51
Fergie mould of like. Substitutions.
24:54
I interpreted that. I interpreted that as Arteta has
25:00
got a massive team on the pitch and he needs he needs Cesco to
25:04
defend corners. Yeah, that's probably, that's
25:06
probably, yeah, that's probably a factor.
25:08
But also Cesco on the counter attack.
25:10
Carrick's probably thinking, I reckon.
25:13
Yeah, no, but it was he is because he wants a striker.
25:16
Yeah, it was a good decision. And actually the Cunha goal,
25:22
Cesco's movement was really good.
25:25
It dragged the Arsenal back line back and create the space for
25:28
Cunha. And where was David Raya?
25:32
I mean, who's like I was? Thinking I was thinking that.
25:36
I mean, I know, I know, the guy's about 5 foot 2, but I
25:39
expected him to get a bit. I know I did, I did think that,
25:42
but just going back to the equaliser again, Ash like
25:44
another shit goal to concede. Wasn't it just scrappy as hell?
25:49
Do you know what was annoying about that goal?
25:51
I think they, I think SAC had a pot shot and what I loved about
25:56
Le Mans, right? The best thing about Le Mans
25:59
most of the season is that we don't talk about him, which
26:02
means he's doing his job. He's like Edwin Vander Sight.
26:04
He's very close to that. The way he made that save as
26:07
well with the pot shot, I was like, that's so Edwin, like just
26:10
get your two hands, real strong hands, push it away.
26:13
Just get out of the danger zone, right?
26:15
Total opposite banana. Then with the corner, I was
26:19
like, oh, these jammy bastards, you know, they just keep in
26:22
swinging in and like, yeah, look, he got caught under the
26:25
ball. We've spoken about it already.
26:26
It's like a rugby scrum. What was annoying about the
26:29
goal, again, in reference to the shirt I'm wearing, Do you
26:32
remember, I think it was 2007 or 8 Gallas, it's Patrice Evera
26:38
squares it to Ronaldo. 2 went up with a few minutes to go and
26:42
then they go up the other end. Gallas scores and it was very
26:45
similar in that. Cleared off the.
26:47
Line off the line. And that was the annoying part
26:49
of this this goal yesterday was that as soon as the second
26:54
chance came and Chesco clears it, you can tell you knew it was
26:58
TV. Yeah, it was obvious.
26:59
I was just annoying, the delay even.
27:03
But you know what, that that's what I mean.
27:05
Like we scored the better goals in this game and I think, you
27:09
know, you're going to talk about it, right?
27:10
Let's let's talk about that third goal, Steve.
27:13
But it's the emotional roller coaster of the game, isn't it?
27:15
Like going one NIL down. Arsenal.
27:17
Manchester United. And two, one up, then you think
27:19
you're throwing it away and that, you know, at 21 I'm
27:22
starting to already think about the penalties I can start giving
27:25
the gooners after the game and then obviously concede the goal.
27:28
And then as your mate Kunya, I think nice little move with
27:35
Kobe, my man Kobe, Nice little interchange in the middle of the
27:40
park, Kobe with a little pop off to Kenya.
27:42
And then, yeah, he's, you know, middle of the goal, 25 yards
27:45
out. Great finish.
27:47
But yeah, I did have a question mark about the keeper, but what
27:49
a moment. I thought going to say you've
27:51
had a question mark about the celebration.
27:52
I thought it was. I know he can.
27:54
He can celebrate like that. Can you dance like that?
27:57
He can do what he wants. That was brilliant.
28:00
Oh, it's genius. Just Lingard vibes.
28:02
And this is the thing he's been having.
28:04
This is what he's supposed to bring, right?
28:06
These that that shooting ability hasn't yet come.
28:09
And I've always said, look, the underlying numbers are there.
28:11
It's going to turn. And we're seeing it like he came
28:16
on against city Chain, like really helped close that game
28:19
out as well. And fair play, because he would
28:21
have been disappointed to. Not start for the second goal.
28:24
For Dorgu. For Dorgu.
28:25
Yeah, yeah. Yeah, and came on here and then
28:29
he's and he's put the winner away.
28:31
So confident on the dribble, such a great player to have
28:35
actually at the at the finish, I think it was it was it did we
28:38
win at Anfield? Yes, this season, yeah, Maguire.
28:42
Do do you remember like in the last moment of that?
28:44
Game as well we were talking about.
28:45
Get the ball off him. The battling and like, yeah.
28:47
He's just so he's like, he's just just tenacious with his
28:51
dribbling. So good.
28:53
I thought Kobe in both games because I obviously, like you
28:56
said, I didn't get to talk about the city games.
28:58
Also excellent in the city game. Also excellent in this game.
29:02
I think Casimiro as well as rolled back the years.
29:05
And and I'd give him a new contract if he would be willing
29:08
to accept if he was willing to accept lower wages or a pay as
29:12
you play deal squad player for next season and his character.
29:16
Don't underestimate this stuff. Yeah, good enough for for a for
29:20
a squad player for sure. He's been, he's been excellent.
29:22
So I think both of those played really well.
29:27
And, and, and, and Kobe's just a delight to watch.
29:29
He's just got this baller swagger about him.
29:32
Yeah, not Paul Pogba level, yes. But.
29:37
But you know, still, still just got a lovely, you know who you
29:41
reminds me of is your mate Modric a bit moderate?
29:45
Yeah, a little bit of that kind of glides around the pitch and
29:48
just little little hip movements.
29:50
Little. Just comfortable on the ball, on
29:52
the ball in the most pressurised area of the pitch.
29:55
This. Will really annoy opposition
29:57
fans. For me he's like a hybrid of
29:59
like a mod Rich and Clarence seed off the way he can travel
30:02
with the ball as well in like tight areas.
30:05
Yeah. In terms of ability, I'm not
30:08
saying he's obviously that. Covered the most ground in both
30:11
games. City, Kobe, Mainu.
30:12
Both games at the Emirates as well.
30:14
Did he cover? He covered the most ground, you
30:15
know. So this myth that Reuben
30:17
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30:54
Any danger they're going to choke this title?
30:57
I don't think so. I was fairly convinced 2 weeks
31:03
ago. The pre Liverpool game was that
31:07
or? Not that it's just City have
31:09
made a couple of moves in the transfer market and that's the
31:13
thing they can do. They've gone and got Semenya and
31:15
Gayie and I'm like, Oh yeah, wait a minute, that's cheating.
31:18
That's not fair. Wait a minute.
31:20
I was when I judged, I didn't judge you based on you signing
31:23
like 100 million extra player in January, in January.
31:27
Where's that come from? 14 players in a year.
31:30
Yeah, however, but I still believe that City aren't good
31:35
enough and a 2 Highland dependent.
31:37
So I don't think they, I don't think Arsenal are good enough,
31:40
but I don't see the alternative. Yeah, Aston Villa in my opinion
31:46
of being getting lucky and keep getting lucky.
31:49
I don't know how there's one there is.
31:51
One Michael Carrick. Tell you what, I would love it
31:56
if we beat them. Love it.
31:58
All right, Kevin. They've still got to go to
32:00
Anfield. And Man City.
32:04
And Man City. And city get a result and what
32:07
what he said, what our teta said about our our fans, You know
32:13
when he said. Kept really quiet.
32:15
Kept quiet all this time about our Tetra and his tight
32:18
trousers. Bruno.
32:20
You know Bruno and his loyalty. And that song they played before
32:24
the game? What is that cheesy crap at the
32:26
end? Of.
32:27
Forever to listen to, but I'll tell you something.
32:33
I'd love it if we beat that. Can you?
32:35
Imagine though, Can you imagine? And I agree with you as I think
32:38
they'll get over the line. They've got enough and and the
32:41
competition isn't good but. One thing I've I've been
32:46
thinking about is they did a good summer in terms of bulking
32:49
up the squad and I thought that was a weakness.
32:52
But I do feel as much as you rate Gokharis, I do feel if they
32:57
had managed to get one gun player, one player like who?
33:04
And that is the that is the big right.
33:07
That is the question because City do have it in Holland.
33:11
I think they're too high independent.
33:13
I think Liverpool last season had it in Salah.
33:16
Yeah. That one player that could just
33:19
turn a draw into a win. But.
33:22
There wasn't sacker that player like, you know, last season, for
33:25
example. I don't think sackers.
33:28
Well, had the ability to step up, you know like from from 2.
33:32
Years ago he was showing signs of being a gun player but like I
33:36
was talking earlier about the hamstring and I think he's just
33:39
taking time to recover. I also think the team, the way
33:43
they play is not set up like 2-3 years ago.
33:45
Do you remember when they were playing like really exhilarating
33:48
football? Odega was scoring goals.
33:52
That hasn't happened for like 2 years and they've just become a
33:56
bit sideways and conservative. Because the bottom, the big
33:59
criticism against Arsenal of the last few years is they don't
34:01
have a proper #9 and they went and signed the proper #9 He
34:05
hasn't delivered obviously, like as much as they'd like, but.
34:08
There is one gun player. I've never had an issue with
34:11
them not having the number. I've never thought that this
34:13
year. I I just feel they needed a gun.
34:14
I would have. I'll give you a random name as
34:17
an example. Right that I said that they
34:19
should have signed this guy. Ollie Watkins.
34:22
Well, Ollie Watkins maybe, but I said this last January, I said
34:25
they should have got Rashford on the left, right, just someone
34:29
who's going to take a guy on, beat a man bang.
34:32
And I just like direct. Who's that?
34:34
Who's that player that's just going to like go?
34:36
Chris is just for me. I say, I say not that type of
34:39
player well. This is the silky.
34:41
He's brilliant. But he's been on the bench for
34:44
weeks because ODA Guards come back and, and that this is the
34:47
issue. ODA guards captain.
34:49
So it's a it's a big deal to like drop.
34:51
Like I would play as a anyway, I know trustards had a good
34:55
season, but I think Michel Arteta is a bit too
34:58
conservative. And if they just he is, if they
35:01
had one gun player, that could just be like, yeah, I get all
35:04
the conservative stuff, but I'm just going to beat two players.
35:08
That's why I said to you guys when we signed Cunya, I just
35:12
want to watch him play. He does crazy shit and it's fun
35:16
and then the celebration and that's what I love, right?
35:19
To me, that's what when we talked about what Man United DNA
35:22
and I'm like, there's nothing tactical.
35:23
Gary Neville. Oh yeah, you know, this is, I'm
35:26
used to seeing the 442 and you know, this and the compact and
35:30
I'm like, mate, that's just because you played under Fergie.
35:32
Have a block. Nice.
35:33
I don't know. It's massive though.
35:35
My nose is huge, but you know what I mean?
35:38
It's like, OK, you've got this Fergie thing in your head, and
35:41
that's for you, right. The Busby team didn't play
35:44
anything like that. What what is Man United DNA to
35:46
me is, is is driving charisma. Yeah.
35:49
And, and flair. And that's why that that's why I
35:52
was like Cunha, he's a Man United player.
35:54
And that's a Man United player. Take the ball, beat a man, whack
35:59
it in the net. Bruno Fernandez, absolutely
36:01
love. I'll keep defending the guy.
36:03
I just love watching. I want to see flair.
36:05
Why Defender Paul Pogba. Brilliant.
36:07
Yeah. Final thing, just to wrap up,
36:10
like, you know, we talked about DNA a couple of weeks ago and as
36:13
you know, you describe what the DNA is, but a lot of people, I
36:16
think it was probably Gary Neville that said it.
36:18
Like United fans know when they see what a proper United team
36:23
should be. And Ash, I think a lot of people
36:24
have said these last two games they've seen it like that is
36:28
what Unite should be like. Agreed.
36:31
Yeah, yeah, totally. Like we talked about it last
36:34
week, as good as the football was, it was exhilarating, fast
36:37
attacking front foot. They all work their asses off
36:42
and that's United to to a core, right?
36:44
That's this, that's, you know, to use a gym line, that's the
36:46
City of Manchester, right? They're hard working people and
36:49
that's reflected, right. I think as told the story about
36:52
Busby a couple weeks ago, when you know, the workers, when they
36:57
come to the games on a Saturday, they want to be entertained.
37:02
You know, one interesting line that I did read, because
37:05
obviously some Busby's passing anniversary was last week, was
37:11
that, you know, never settle for anything than than first.
37:15
So it is in the DNA of the club because Busby, you know, created
37:21
that club with what he did. So that's as far as I'm
37:25
concerned, like as simple as it gets.
37:27
And yeah, Michael Carrick is is doing that right now.
37:31
And long may it continue. As she getting the contracts out
37:34
for Michael Carrick. I've always, I've always said
37:37
Carrick, you know, I've always said Carrick.
37:39
My only issue with Carrick is I always feel that I would prefer
37:44
someone on top of Carrick to kind of be the, the figurehead,
37:48
the Carlo, the, you know, the calm statesman, the Southgate.
37:52
And I would prefer him. Now the question is, I just sit
37:56
down with with him and in a room and be like, right what?
37:59
What do you want to do? Yeah, if he wants to be the
38:03
number one and you do it the other way round, you put the
38:05
experienced coaching staff in the background with the.
38:08
Which he's done right. Yeah.
38:10
Yeah. He's he's done that with, with
38:12
Steve Holland and you know, maybe he can bring in the way
38:16
that Ollie did with a Mickey Phelan, someone experienced as
38:20
well. I think he's got that in Steve
38:22
Holland. Steve Holland's worked with some
38:25
of the best coaches in the world at Chelsea.
38:28
But let's just say bulk it out, right?
38:29
He's probably just put this team together.
38:32
You can, but I think Johnny, Johnny, Jonathan Woodgate is
38:35
like big for him. He was there the whole time at
38:37
Middlesbrough. Look, I'm not going to be claim
38:39
I'm a Middlesbrough expert like most other United fans are now,
38:41
but like, he is big. And also one of the nice things
38:45
about Woodgate for me in terms of like thinking about improving
38:48
the defence and I talked about it in previous parts about like
38:51
body shape and stuff like that. Woodgate is going to be able to
38:54
give that individual coaching along with whatever else he's
38:57
bringing to the table. But yeah, fair enough.
39:00
Like if if if you want someone else to just bolster it, why
39:05
not? I do think Carrick, I do think
39:06
Carrick wants the number one rollers like given he was
39:09
assistant, he does, he was assistant under Ollie for two or
39:12
three years. He's going to want the number
39:13
one position. So I think you can assume that
39:16
safely. Yeah, I thought you know me,
39:19
I've always been pro that that type of choice.
39:21
I've never for me, you offer me Michael Carrick or these list of
39:26
mid table managers, right? I'll take Carrick all day over
39:30
Silver, Glasner, Iriola, the list goes on of Thomas Frank of
39:36
all this mid table Emory, right? Because to me, all of these
39:40
people naugles men. To be like, Naglesman's another
39:46
good young coach, but Carrick's a good young coach now.
39:49
That's what I'm saying. Because you're a fan of
39:51
Naglesman. I'm not.
39:52
So for me, I mean, I've always, yeah, I've always liked Carrick.
39:56
Anyway. Do you remember?
39:58
I think we all agreed with the other spell that he had the
40:01
little spells. Like, it's a shame that he can't
40:04
carry on because I think Ralph Rainier came, right?
40:07
But fair play to me. He went, he made the decision to
40:09
get out of the club it was. The right decision because
40:12
you've got 2 1/2 years or whatever, three seasons at
40:15
Middlesbrough and the the question for me is like there's
40:19
a few like viewpoints, right for me.
40:23
I don't know what you guys think.
40:25
So when you think about the manager that you want to pick
40:29
right, you can think about like the top ones that you've already
40:33
mentioned, the Carlos, the T calls Lewis Enrique, I think
40:36
I've mentioned him as well. But then you got to match it, I
40:39
think with the squad. Now me personally, I think as
40:44
disagreed with this a couple weeks ago, but like with the
40:47
current squad the way it was, I didn't think this is a squad for
40:51
Carlo Ancelotti. But now that I've seen this,
40:57
right, and let's see how it finishes in terms of like, look,
41:01
whatever it happens, right, let's say we get champs or like
41:04
we get enough wins as as a team of Carlo and Michael Carrick and
41:10
then Carlo to, you know, pass the baton on to Michael Carrick
41:14
in two to three years in two years.
41:16
That that for me is the five year plan.
41:19
I don't I don't think that works.
41:21
Why I don't want. I mean, I think it does work,
41:25
but it's only if Carrick would want, yeah.
41:27
Exactly. Yeah, yeah.
41:29
I think, I think he's more tenacious and steely than he
41:32
gets credit for, you know, behind the.
41:33
Scenes, but there's only so many jobs he wants as well.
41:38
Like I think who was saying it recently?
41:41
Someone from United. Oh, Wazza.
41:43
Wazza was talking about it. There's only certain jobs he
41:46
wants. He doesn't want to be like, you
41:49
know, take the next job at like Luton.
41:51
I don't know, maybe he'd be up for the Spurs job as an example.
41:54
But there's only certain jobs. He's a reluctant manager.
41:57
They call him. That's another term that I've
41:59
been. Michael Carrick, this is.
42:00
Yeah, yeah. That's that's a term that's been
42:03
floated around in the last couple of weeks.
42:05
This is why, you know he might be up for a #2 gig.
42:10
For now, yeah, Learn the ropes, offer absolute world class.
42:14
That's it. Winning manager.
42:16
And then, like I said, Carlo is 66.
42:18
I think he's going to go 67 soon.
42:21
Yeah, I've been reading the books.
42:23
That was the plan under Van Hall, right?
42:26
Van Hall gigs you, you get Van Hall in and then you get gigs
42:29
in. I, I don't, I just still
42:32
disagree on this Carlo thing in terms of I I think people look
42:35
at him go, oh, he's this Galactico Whisperer.
42:37
Yes, he's through his career just being a flexible manager,
42:42
someone who works well with the the president, right?
42:45
And that's what we need. We need some calm, handles
42:48
himself really well. And I don't think there's any
42:51
like for me, it's tactically very flexible.
42:54
He doesn't have any set like like with Pep Guardiola.
42:56
He's got this very defined way of playing and you're like, oh,
43:00
if you put Pep Guardiola with this squad it'd be a big mess.
43:05
Kind of my worry. Carlo Carlo's favourite system
43:07
is just a 442 like, you know, basic, like what we what we've
43:12
seen and then respond to the opposition have some good
43:17
tactical ideas for specific OK, sack is playing on the on the
43:22
right. Let's double up with the with
43:24
Dogu and, and sure, right, that kind of thinking rather than,
43:28
oh, we've got to have the players in these very specific
43:31
positions that Pep Pep does. So I think Carlo with the with
43:35
the backroom staff that we have would be great if Carrick wants
43:40
it, 100% go with Carrick over all of this list of very average
43:44
mid table managers because they have shown to be good at at mid
43:49
table jobs in reactive football that have never proved
43:52
themselves to play expressive football.
43:55
Everything I've heard of Carrick at Middlesbrough was that he
43:57
also tried to play from football and that's what we need.
44:00
So which top managers would would make you think I'm going
44:04
to have to think about this? No one, because.
44:07
Carlo. Yeah, because the you went
44:10
through, remember when you went through your list and I'm like,
44:12
yeah, OK, I like that list, Steve.
44:13
However, Thomas Toochell is going to clash.
44:17
The whole, the whole thing we need is the recruitment side of
44:22
things, alignment and, and, and when this new recruitment team
44:27
come and go, right? This is the guy we're getting.
44:29
The manager doesn't turn around and go, no, I don't want him, I
44:31
want this other guy. And then speaks in the press
44:33
about how, oh, they didn't sign me this guy, or they didn't and
44:36
moan and moan. No, I do agree Tuka would blow
44:39
up at United in this structure for.
44:40
Sure, So does it matter what he does then in the next?
44:44
Was it 415 games left? I think it does.
44:47
Surely he's only getting the job if he delivers top five
44:51
Champions League. I'd say he's only in the in the
44:53
run in for the job I'd say. And even then he might not get
44:56
it. But to have a chance, I think
44:58
he's got to deliver Champions League football, which looks
45:00
doable. I don't really watch a lot of
45:02
analysis on TV because I think it's rubbish.
45:05
But what I was watching, Roy Keane is saying even if he wins
45:07
the next 15 games, he doesn't get the job.
45:10
It's like what it's. Rough because he doesn't like
45:13
his wife though. Yeah, what has Keane got against
45:17
Cat? Is it because he took his 16
45:18
chill or something? I was going to, I was going to
45:21
bring this point up about what Keane said.
45:22
So I think there is history with Keane and Carrick.
45:25
I think it was. Do you remember when we lost two
45:27
nil to Olympiacos under David Moyes in the Champions League
45:31
and we ended up winning the second leg 32 at Old Trafford,
45:34
but in the first leg we. Lost hat trick, yeah.
45:37
Yeah, we lost two nil away and Keane was working for ITV.
45:41
Carrick did the post match interview like, you know,
45:44
representing the players and basically, you know, did a
45:46
little 2 minute very, you know, like understated interview.
45:50
And then when it came back to ITV, Keane basically made a
45:54
comment and said something like, oh, Carrick's interview was like
45:57
the team's performance. And then Carrick's wife, I think
46:00
on Twitter, called him either the C word or another word and
46:06
deleted it basically. So I think that's why Keene made
46:08
the comment a few weeks ago on the overlap about.
46:11
Clearly didn't forget it. Yeah, he's held the game like.
46:14
2014 or something? 2014, yeah. 20 Yeah, Over 12
46:19
years ago, probably. So he's held on to that.
46:22
Oh yeah. Is that what he said yesterday?
46:24
Like no chance. Yeah, he said.
46:27
Even if Carrick wins every. Game all of the get every game
46:30
till the end of the season. They shouldn't give him the job.
46:33
I'm like, are you kidding me? If he wins.
46:35
If he wins every game till the end of the season.
46:40
Could win the Titans. I think he could.
46:41
I think that's the league. So you were telling me if
46:44
Michael Carrick wins the Premier League, have?
46:46
You checked it. But aren't we like about 12
46:49
behind Arsenal? That means that. 83 is the Max
46:52
we can get. Yeah, but we're 12 behind
46:54
Arsenal, right? That's it's it's it's it's run
46:57
them close, right? Yeah, yeah, it would run them
47:00
close you'd. Probably get a second.
47:01
Absolutely. Mental you wouldn't give him the
47:04
job. Yeah, but this is where, this is
47:07
where Neville Keene, they think they control the narrative of
47:11
United fans because Neville made a comment as well post match and
47:15
again talking about whether Carrick gets it.
47:17
And he said prior to the Man City game, he did say every
47:21
United fan. He said every football fan was
47:23
thinking Carrick just gets this to the end of the season and
47:26
then moves on. But that's not true because
47:29
there would have been United fans and there would have been
47:31
other United fans out there that would have, you know, considered
47:33
giving it Carrot long, long term if it went well or vice versa.
47:37
Never thought Carrot should get the job.
47:38
So this is where, like Nevelyn Keene, you know, I feel like
47:42
they think they control the narrative sometimes.
47:45
Yeah, I mean, look, it's one of these old age things, especially
47:49
over the last, like was it 1213 years?
47:52
Especially Gary, because like Neville has a tendency to be
47:56
like, I'm not going to get all emotional.
47:58
And it goes on a 10 minute rant about the whole club.
48:02
You know, he famously, we talked about how he never spoke up
48:05
against the Glazers as a player and even as his first couple
48:09
years as a pundit. And then he, you know, like the
48:11
rest of us, but way before including the 1958 lot out to
48:16
them to be like, no, we want the Glazers out when we were saying
48:19
it, right? Not when Neville piped up about,
48:21
you know, kicking the Glazers out a few years ago.
48:24
Yeah, and the other thing Keane really went hard at was Johnny
48:28
Evans, as I don't know if you saw that, where he was really
48:31
questioning why. Yeah, I wasn't that on the
48:33
overlap. Is this the ear right?
48:35
Thing. Yeah, I think.
48:36
He was just like, how did he get the job?
48:38
But he was the loans coach, and now it's that.
48:40
Was very He had an argument with the boys.
48:42
And all of this stuff. And I'm, I tell you, he's.
48:46
Got he's got a grudgingly. Our our pundits a real problem
48:51
because I heard about skulls and butt as well.
48:53
I need to watch this that they were listening to Martin as in
48:55
Martin as Scott. You know, when I talk, I don't
48:58
listen to much analysis. Like honestly, Paul skulls talks
49:01
like he never watches football. He just it's just he's just a
49:05
just a bizarre. I don't know how he gets, how
49:07
does he get so many gigs on pundits?
49:09
I think it's the name he. Likes foot pod?
49:12
It's the name of United they've been.
49:13
Scott is on What's it that TNTA lot?
49:16
Right. He's not anymore, but he was.
49:18
He was. He was, though, Yeah.
49:20
It's the pod, but the the problem is like me personally, I
49:26
don't take as much offence as a lot of the rest of the fan base,
49:30
maybe because I just kind of ignore them anyway.
49:33
But in terms of the squad, there is a problem because the squad
49:38
have have talked about it to say it is a hindrance and therefore
49:44
there's a fine line between saying someone is not performing
49:48
or like defending well or, you know, should have taken that
49:51
chance. And then what Nikki but said
49:53
about Martinez getting chucked around like a ragdoll by Harland
49:59
without checking his record, because Martinez even had a good
50:03
record against Harland when he was at IAX.
50:05
And then he has the game of his life against him last Saturday
50:09
and then he calls it on, which fair play to Martinez for doing.
50:13
And then, you know, butt and skulls double down.
50:16
In fairness to skulls, it did seem like actually, yeah, we did
50:20
fuck up. Where?
50:21
He said, he said. We could have worded it better,
50:23
didn't they? Which is.
50:24
Yeah, but that's that's acknowledgement.
50:26
Whereas Nikki Butt was like, we're having a laugh.
50:29
No, you wasn't. You were being truthful.
50:31
That's what you thought? Yeah, and also the key with this
50:35
is, and they both made the point, I think they made the
50:37
point that, you know, back in the day we would get criticism
50:40
and, you know, we had to deal with it.
50:41
Different landscape. Big difference was, yeah #1
50:43
Fergie, in terms of the protection to, you know, the
50:47
world class squad that they were both part of.
50:49
I mean, you guys correct me if I'm wrong.
50:50
I don't think Nikki Butt was anything that special, you know,
50:53
as a player. But most importantly, now you
50:57
don't just have Match of the Day once a week and daily papers.
51:01
You have us, you have podcasts, you have social media.
51:04
So the noise is constant and what they say gets picked up.
51:07
The way you send it, you have us as if there's a special.
51:10
Entity in our podcast. We're fighting back.
51:15
We're a political. News Channel.
51:18
Trying to fight Diego. Dallas like got a picture of us
51:21
in his wall with a dart board. But Steve?
51:26
Steve's head is bullseye. Constant noise there, right?
51:29
That's that is the difference. These things, these things like,
51:33
you know, didn't have these 20 years ago and plays check Chris.
51:36
Williamson on. Us no.
51:37
It's true though, right? That that of.
51:39
Course it is. That's the big difference that
51:41
they don't, that they don't appreciate.
51:43
So yeah, I mean, they, they say what they want, don't they?
51:47
And they get the gigs, they get paid, so they're happy.
51:50
But yeah, I think. It's a societal problem as well.
51:53
It's it's I, I don't mind people saying what they want.
51:56
I don't understand is why would people listen to this?
51:59
It's like, yeah, like I said, why is scolds?
52:02
How did Scolds keep getting these gigs when he just had
52:04
nothing interesting to say? Yeah, it's the power of the
52:07
United fan base though. They get 100 + 1000 views a week
52:10
because United fans will tune into it because he's.
52:13
Miserable as well, most of the time.
52:15
At least I know Neville, you know, gets it wrong a lot of the
52:18
time. But he's passionate at least and
52:22
articulate. Yeah.
52:23
And Keane as well. Like it's is there some level of
52:26
entertainment? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
52:27
You disagree with him, but there's some entertainment
52:30
there. Skulls are just a bit douring.
52:34
As I'm interested to hear from you here because obviously you
52:36
missed the pod last week. So the protest, you know, I
52:40
think majority is against the Glazers.
52:43
We still want the Glazers out the club.
52:45
However Steve from the 1958 did say they now put Ratcliffe in
52:49
the same category. Haven't seen what's happened
52:51
over the last two years. I know you see more positives
52:54
from NEOS and others, but generally speaking, do you
52:57
support the fact that United fans should protest against this
53:01
joint ownership of the Glazers and NEOS?
53:05
Yeah, because the Glazers is still majority shareholders,
53:09
right? There should be nowhere near
53:10
this club. You know, for me, you, there's
53:14
no perfect ownership model, right?
53:18
Even our fan base is a bit crazy.
53:19
So we put us in charge of what would happen.
53:22
We'd have you signing correct, 100 million.
53:25
Exactly. Harry Kane, Brian and Burma on
53:28
the right. You know, we'd have Ash getting
53:32
freaking Iriola as manager. It's all things would happen.
53:36
Yeah, all things, all things would happen.
53:38
So but one thing I'm certain of is a football club should not be
53:42
treated like a, you know, a corporate entity where money is
53:48
extracted from it and from its fans, right.
53:50
If as much as you know, we rile against or we see the you know,
53:55
the way Barcelona has been a mess and Real Madrid has had its
53:59
own dramas at times, but by Munich, it has has some kind of
54:05
often drama in the in the boardroom or whatever.
54:08
But that the majority fan right, either club owned, membership
54:12
owned and that's that's the model we should have.
54:17
The difference between the I see Jim Ratcliffe and and the glazes
54:21
is I don't think Jim Ratcliffe wants to Man United to make
54:24
money for he's he's made his money and he wants his legacy.
54:28
He's investing in like he threw 200 million at Ben Ainsley on a
54:31
boat race. Why?
54:33
Because he just thinks it's fun, right?
54:35
It's not that he wants to make money from it, but then.
54:37
He falls out with all these. People, no, you won't fall out
54:40
with them. What I'm saying is like, it's
54:41
his hobby. He threw, he threw money on this
54:43
Ineos Grenadiers thing because he's like, Oh yeah, like the old
54:46
Land Rover. We should, you know, Pride of
54:48
Britain, we should bring that back.
54:50
It's just a hobby for him right? While the Glazers who bought the
54:53
club to basically make profit from it, take as much money from
54:56
the supporters as possible. Should never have been allowed.
54:59
Well, that's the key, isn't it? The debt is still there.
55:00
Yeah, the debt is still there. Yeah, it's, it's it's wrong.
55:03
What happened then? It's wrong that I don't see.
55:06
Football clubs should be allowed to have dividends taken out of
55:08
them. It should not be entities for
55:10
profit. It's it's wrong.
55:13
When's that freeze stopping? You know, because Jim, like with
55:16
this investment deal, had the dividends frozen.
55:19
Isn't that coming up soon? Yeah, I think there was a
55:22
timeline on that. It was 2 years, right?
55:26
Or in and around that mark. You're talking free.
55:29
Is that the drag along rights which you mean?
55:30
That's separate. Isn't it there was a thing where
55:32
part of the deal was no dividends, no dividends come out
55:34
of the club and it yeah, it picked up a massive financial
55:38
mess. So 100% keep protesting against
55:41
the current ownership. The Glazers are still in.
55:44
They need to be moved out. Whether that's Ratcliffe has the
55:47
ability to do that, maybe he doesn't with his financial
55:49
position. So we may need other backers.
55:52
The club needs the Glazers out. 100% keep the protest going.
55:58
I fully go to the protest on Sunday.
56:01
Yeah, I fully, fully support the the current ownership of
56:05
Manchester United is not acceptable.
56:07
We want a debt free club of ideally really the Glaziers
56:12
should have to give all that money back.
56:16
Honestly, that's if I was in charge, you know, this would
56:22
never have been allowed. I'd stick them in prison and,
56:25
you know, give get get them to give all the money back because
56:28
especially. Darcy.
56:30
Yeah, 100%. It's absolutely it's shocking.
56:33
But this is the the this is the issue.
56:37
You know, you talk about, you know, Andy Burnham trying to get
56:40
in and, and and failing. We had a we've had a choice in
56:44
this country for the last, I don't know, 30 years between,
56:48
you know, far right and this right.
56:50
And, you know, we've never had people care about our society.
56:54
It's always been a a quite highly capitalist neoliberal
56:58
economics belief in extractative, you know, rent
57:04
from water, from energy, from all, all sort of all the basics.
57:10
And football is another one that should not be an extractative
57:13
thing. We shouldn't.
57:15
These are things, all of these things are things that we as a
57:18
society have built over years together collectively and that
57:24
someone shouldn't come along and take profit from it.
57:26
Manchester United was built by the by the supporters and we
57:32
shouldn't be exploited and we have been continued to be
57:35
exploited. When they put their ticket
57:39
prices up it's because I, in my opinion, is to try and make the
57:43
club get in a financial footing, but it's because of the
57:47
historical exploitation of the glazes.
57:49
Yeah, OK, so we're all agreed on, Yeah, you know, protesting
57:52
is right, especially against the Glazer ownership.
57:55
So Ash, final word with you. Message to the United fans ahead
57:59
of Fulham on Sunday. Message to the fans, what can I
58:02
say? Manchester City, Arsenal.
58:06
Great days, but the club is going to be here for years and
58:10
if you want to protect the club, go to the protests on Sunday,
58:14
make your voice heard, do what you can, show up with your flags
58:19
and just make a hell of a lot of noise and let's get these owners
58:23
out as soon as possible. And then let's hope Michael
58:26
Carrick delivers a scintillating performance on the pitch because
58:30
we can want both things at the same time, right?
58:33
We can want the team to succeed and want these owners out so.
58:37
I don't want to hear about Ash talking about Marco Silver
58:40
master class in the next part. Because I can't deal with it.
58:43
Oh, that's a good point. Why am I?
58:45
It's why. Am I going to talk about that?
58:47
I'm I'm the Michael Carrick train mate.
58:49
It's win win for Ash on next week's part.
58:52
Exactly. Can't wait.
58:54
So we'll wrap it up there this week.
58:55
Thanks for joining us, and we'll catch you on the next one.