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- 1:00:00Welcome back to another episode of the
- 1:00:01How to Protect the Ocean podcast.
- 1:00:02I'm your host Andrew Lewin and today
- 1:00:04we're diving into
- 1:00:05what's really like to work in
- 1:00:06the ocean as part of our monthly series
- 1:00:08called Surfacing Secrets.
- 1:00:10Explore the ocean, know the planet.
- 1:00:13Have you ever wondered what it takes to
- 1:00:14explore the deep sea?
- 1:00:15I operate cutting edge underwater
- 1:00:17technology or spend your
- 1:00:19days surrounded by one of the
- 1:00:20most planet's mysterious environments.
- 1:00:23In this episode, I'm joined by Meg
- 1:00:24Paulson and Dirk Lorsau
- 1:00:26from Oceans Network, Canada
- 1:00:28and Josh Tenereco from Canpack who share
- 1:00:30their first-hand
- 1:00:31experiences working in the
- 1:00:33field.
- 1:00:34We talk about everything from excitement
- 1:00:36of deploying ROVs
- 1:00:37thousands of meters below
- 1:00:38the surface to the challenges of working
- 1:00:40under intense pressure,
- 1:00:41both literal and figurative.
- 1:00:43If you ever dreamed of a career in marine
- 1:00:46exploration engineering
- 1:00:47or you want to understand
- 1:00:49what life is like for those protecting
- 1:00:51and studying our oceans,
- 1:00:52this is the episode for
- 1:00:54you.
- 1:00:54Let's start the show.
- 1:01:00And then on the flip side, there's days
- 1:01:01where you're like, I
- 1:01:02can't believe I'm getting
- 1:01:03paid to do this right now.
- 1:01:05This is absolutely incredible.
- 1:01:07Hey everybody, welcome back to another
- 1:01:08exciting episode of the How
- 1:01:09to Protect the Ocean podcast.
- 1:01:10I'm your host Andrew Lewin and this is
- 1:01:11the podcast where you
- 1:01:11find out what's happening
- 1:01:12with the ocean, how you can speak up for
- 1:01:14the ocean and what you
- 1:01:15can do to live for a better
- 1:01:16ocean by taking action.
- 1:01:18On today's episode, we are going to be
- 1:01:20talking about the deep sea.
- 1:01:21We're going to be talking about the work
- 1:01:23done by people and
- 1:01:25partners of Ocean Networks Canada
- 1:01:27and we're going to be going beyond the
- 1:01:29surface to talk about
- 1:01:30what it really means to work
- 1:01:32in the ocean, especially in the
- 1:01:33mysterious and
- 1:01:34challenging world of the deep sea.
- 1:01:36Our guests, Megan, Josh and Dirk are
- 1:01:38ocean professionals who
- 1:01:39spend their days deploying
- 1:01:40and maintaining remotely operated
- 1:01:42vehicles, troubleshooting
- 1:01:43problems miles offshore and
- 1:01:45gathering crucial data for ocean science.
- 1:01:49We'll hear what it feels like to operate
- 1:01:50equipment under extreme
- 1:01:51pressure, the surprises
- 1:01:53you can encounter when exploring the
- 1:01:55ocean floor and the teamwork it takes to
- 1:01:57make every mission a success.
- 1:01:59We're also going to dig into the personal
- 1:02:01side of life at sea, how they balance
- 1:02:03long stints away from family,
- 1:02:05the camaraderie that develops among crew
- 1:02:07members and the passion that keeps them
- 1:02:08coming back to this
- 1:02:10vital and demanding work.
- 1:02:11This conversation is a rare behind the
- 1:02:13scenes look at careers that keep our
- 1:02:15understanding of the ocean moving forward
- 1:02:17and it's a chance to appreciate
- 1:02:19the people who dedicate their lives to
- 1:02:21studying and protecting ocean ecosystems.
- 1:02:24So stay tuned, get ready for the stories
- 1:02:26from the deep and let's get to know the
- 1:02:28planet on Surfacing Secrets.
- 1:02:30Here's the interview with Megan, Josh and
- 1:02:33Dirk. Enjoy the interview
- 1:02:34and I will talk to you after.
- 1:02:36Megan, Josh and Dirk, welcome to the How
- 1:02:39to Protect the Ocean podcast.
- 1:02:40Are you ready to talk about what it's
- 1:02:42like to work in the ocean?
- 1:02:44Let's do it.
- 1:02:46Yeah, all right. This is gonna be a lot
- 1:02:48of fun. I'm super excited because it's
- 1:02:50not often actually, I don't think we've
- 1:02:52ever really had a full conversation of
- 1:02:54what it's like to work in the ocean,
- 1:02:57especially the deep sea.
- 1:02:59We have three people here who work in a
- 1:03:02partnership with Josh and for Oceans
- 1:03:06Network Canada with with Megan and Dirk
- 1:03:08and we're going to find out exactly what
- 1:03:10they do with those programs.
- 1:03:12But we are here to talk about what it's
- 1:03:14like to work in the ocean
- 1:03:15because that is what they do.
- 1:03:17And we're going to talk about sort of the
- 1:03:18challenges, the fun that
- 1:03:19you get to have out there.
- 1:03:21But also just like what it's like to work
- 1:03:23like in such a deep pressured system and
- 1:03:25all the materials I have to go in, ROVs.
- 1:03:27There's going to be a lot of fun chats
- 1:03:29coming on this podcast on this episode.
- 1:03:32So I am super excited to do that. Before
- 1:03:34we get into all that, though, why don't
- 1:03:35we hear from all of you
- 1:03:37who you are and what you do?
- 1:03:38We'll start with Megan.
- 1:03:39Thanks, Andrew. My name is Megan Paulson.
- 1:03:44And my role here at Ocean Networks Canada
- 1:03:45is executive director of
- 1:03:48observatory operations.
- 1:03:49And what that means is basically all
- 1:03:51operations at ONC as it relates to our
- 1:03:55observatories is under my purview.
- 1:03:58And that includes physical operations and
- 1:04:00digital operations because what we do, we
- 1:04:03don't just put stuff in the ocean, but we
- 1:04:04collect data from everything that we're
- 1:04:06putting in the ocean.
- 1:04:07And we make that data available to
- 1:04:09basically anyone with the Internet
- 1:04:11connection for free.
- 1:04:13That's amazing. I love that. I love it. I
- 1:04:15can't wait to dive deep into
- 1:04:16that. Let's go. Josh, next.
- 1:04:19Yeah, I'm Josh Tederenko. I'm director of
- 1:04:22ROV operations at
- 1:04:23Campact Marine Services.
- 1:04:25We're a company on the west coast of
- 1:04:27Canada that provides any subsea services
- 1:04:30down to six thousand meters
- 1:04:32with our deep sea rated ROV.
- 1:04:34My job in the company is to take care of
- 1:04:37and run and operate, mobilize, upgrade
- 1:04:39all of our underwater robotic systems.
- 1:04:44OK, that's that's interesting. That's
- 1:04:45like I feel like that is a continually
- 1:04:48growing field to to look at robotics and
- 1:04:51especially when it comes to underwater
- 1:04:53underwater work, right?
- 1:04:54Yeah, absolutely. Yes. I mean, just like
- 1:04:57any tech industry, you're always sort of
- 1:05:01chasing the newest latest technology and
- 1:05:05trying to be at the forefront.
- 1:05:07And a lot of what our partnership is with
- 1:05:09Ocean Networks Canada is not just to
- 1:05:11provide the services, but also to make
- 1:05:13sure that we we stay on top of the latest
- 1:05:16and greatest technology for the industry.
- 1:05:19Absolutely. Absolutely. Looking forward
- 1:05:21to diving into that as well. And Dirk,
- 1:05:23how about us know who
- 1:05:24you are and what you do.
- 1:05:26OK, I'm Dirk Russo. I'm the director of
- 1:05:27Observatory Physical Operations for Ocean
- 1:05:29Networks Canada. And my team is made up
- 1:05:32of engineers and technicians. And we work
- 1:05:35together to integrate new physical
- 1:05:37infrastructure onto the network, whether
- 1:05:39that's new sensors, new equipment or new
- 1:05:40technology, stuff like that.
- 1:05:41Nice. Very nice. Very nice. This is going
- 1:05:44to be a lot of fun to be able to talk to
- 1:05:46you. I want to just start right from the
- 1:05:48beginning before all of you got to where
- 1:05:50you were. And Megan,
- 1:05:51we'll start with you.
- 1:05:53You know, what was it like for you to get
- 1:05:56into the ocean? Like, what made you want
- 1:05:58to work in the ocean?
- 1:06:00Great question. So I grew up on the east
- 1:06:03coast of Canada. So very ocean friendly
- 1:06:08place. But it wasn't really until I was
- 1:06:11an undergraduate student in engineering
- 1:06:14in Halifax, Nova Scotia.
- 1:06:16And I applied for a position for the
- 1:06:20Geological Survey of Canada and
- 1:06:22fortunately got the position at the in
- 1:06:26Dartmouth, Nova Scotia and had the
- 1:06:28opportunity through my supervisor to do
- 1:06:32an offshore expedition where we were
- 1:06:34collecting sediment cores and absolutely
- 1:06:37fell in love with it.
- 1:06:38Like I was absolutely hooked to the point
- 1:06:41where when I graduated my undergrad, my
- 1:06:44main criteria for getting a job was I
- 1:06:47needed to work offshore.
- 1:06:50That's amazing. Quick question here. You
- 1:06:53know, when you work and we'll get into it
- 1:06:55a little bit more, but when you work at
- 1:06:56sea, there's a lot of sacrifices you have
- 1:06:58to make. It's not a regular what we, you
- 1:07:00know, quote unquote, what people would
- 1:07:01consider regular like land job where you
- 1:07:03get to go home after your
- 1:07:04your nine to five year at sea.
- 1:07:06What was so appealing for
- 1:07:09you about working at sea?
- 1:07:12Part of it was the adventure of it. I
- 1:07:15mean, you really you get to go to places
- 1:07:17that very few people go to. Part of it
- 1:07:21was the food. I like being fed. The food
- 1:07:25is usually amazing. I like it when people
- 1:07:28make food for me. Yeah. Yeah.
- 1:07:30Yeah. And part of it was really getting
- 1:07:33to know the people on board. It's such a
- 1:07:37different environment than a regular
- 1:07:38office environment. And you're meeting
- 1:07:40people and you're working really closely
- 1:07:42with people that you wouldn't normally do
- 1:07:44so from every walk of life, from every
- 1:07:46type of education level.
- 1:07:50And it's really it's really a fascinating
- 1:07:52sort of microcosm environment and you're
- 1:07:59kind of stuck together. So whatever comes
- 1:08:01up, you have to figure it out. You have
- 1:08:03to work it out and you have to move
- 1:08:05forward for the very, you know, focused
- 1:08:09reason that you're out there for whatever
- 1:08:11your mission is at the time.
- 1:08:13Yeah, for sure. And I find too, like I've
- 1:08:15had experience working at sea and I find
- 1:08:16like when you have to work through those
- 1:08:18problems, you're able to get it. It's a
- 1:08:19complete confidence boost when you're
- 1:08:21able to figure it out. However long it
- 1:08:22takes, you know, you never know when an
- 1:08:24instrument is not going to work or or
- 1:08:25something is not going to work. And
- 1:08:26you're if you're able to get it going,
- 1:08:28that's probably one of the best feelings.
- 1:08:29Oh, it's yeah, it's it's such a rush, you
- 1:08:33know, because sometimes things break.
- 1:08:35Sometimes you get really creative.
- 1:08:37And when you're able to work through as a
- 1:08:39team and troubleshoot and put something
- 1:08:42together to solve whatever the issue was
- 1:08:45and it works, you turn it on, it works or
- 1:08:47whatever it is, it's, oh,
- 1:08:50it's an it's infectious.
- 1:08:52Absolutely. Absolutely. And speaking of,
- 1:08:54you know, fixing things that see Josh,
- 1:08:56you know, you're you're into robotics.
- 1:08:58You've come across that quite a bit. But
- 1:09:00what what got you into this company that
- 1:09:04you're working at? Like, what were you
- 1:09:05doing beforehand? Was this always the
- 1:09:07plan when you were younger?
- 1:09:09Like, how did this all come to be?
- 1:09:12Yeah, sure. Well, first of all, no, I've
- 1:09:14never had to fix a robot offshore.
- 1:09:15They're always they
- 1:09:16always work perfectly.
- 1:09:18I never ever experienced that once. No,
- 1:09:21we're fixing them all the time. So I was
- 1:09:24fortunate fortunate enough to grow up
- 1:09:26with a dad that he was in the field for
- 1:09:29his his career. So I kind of grew up
- 1:09:31around it. And, you know, we spent time
- 1:09:33on the ocean, you know, privately. And
- 1:09:35then I got to see some pretty
- 1:09:37cool ships when I was young.
- 1:09:39I always wanted to be a pilot, though, an
- 1:09:42aircraft pilot. But eventually, I was an
- 1:09:46electrician after high school, I did a
- 1:09:49trade. And then really why I went into
- 1:09:54subsea robotics is the challenge. Subsea
- 1:09:59robotics is especially deep sea is one of
- 1:10:03the most challenging
- 1:10:07jobs, careers on the planet, in my
- 1:10:09opinion, intellectually, just just the
- 1:10:14problems that you have to solve offshore
- 1:10:15and the teamwork needed to solve them
- 1:10:19consistently, drew me into working
- 1:10:22offshore. That's really the main the main
- 1:10:25reason why I love it every day.
- 1:10:28I love the food more than Megan. I love
- 1:10:32getting a team together on the ship. And
- 1:10:35just like we talked about, you have to
- 1:10:37you all have to come together to solve
- 1:10:39things, whether it's subsea or, you know,
- 1:10:42fixing something on the surface, so you
- 1:10:44can get back in the water.
- 1:10:45But the real draw for me is that you are
- 1:10:50always learning. You're always being
- 1:10:52challenged, always something different,
- 1:10:54especially working with Ocean Networks
- 1:10:57Canada or in the science field because
- 1:11:00you're always just
- 1:11:01pushing, pushing to do new things.
- 1:11:03It's not like more common or OB fields
- 1:11:06and oil and gas and things. They've kind
- 1:11:07of got everything figured out and they've
- 1:11:09been doing it for a long time. But in the
- 1:11:12fields that we work in,
- 1:11:13it's actually a challenge.
- 1:11:15You're always trying to solve an issue
- 1:11:18with people that really, really want to
- 1:11:22solve it with you. Yeah, that are really
- 1:11:24interesting. Everybody's very motivated.
- 1:11:26We all come together offshore. So that's
- 1:11:29that's the main draw for me.
- 1:11:30That's why I got into this.
- 1:11:31I don't blame you. I don't blame you.
- 1:11:32That sounds amazing.
- 1:11:34Dirk, how about yourself?
- 1:11:36When I growing up, I grew up in a kind of
- 1:11:40a subtropical rainforest in South Africa
- 1:11:42and at the age of six, I already had my
- 1:11:44own horse and we would like ride our
- 1:11:47horses in the game reserves
- 1:11:48and stuff to my friend's house.
- 1:11:49Like we were pretty wild kids, right? So
- 1:11:51I've always had this sense of adventure.
- 1:11:54And I think that just kind of came stuck
- 1:11:56along when I was in university and got
- 1:11:58opportunity to do a co-op
- 1:11:59with Ocean Networks Canada.
- 1:12:01You saw the same thing. It's like this is
- 1:12:03you get to go all these places kind of
- 1:12:04what Megan was saying, like we have got
- 1:12:06observatories in the Arctic all along the
- 1:12:07coast of BC. We got one of the east
- 1:12:10coast. So it's a lot of really remote
- 1:12:12travel. And that's what I that's what I
- 1:12:14really liked. And then working here, I
- 1:12:16kind of got into the offshore working on
- 1:12:18the vessels and stuff. That's just part
- 1:12:19of the job, right? So yeah.
- 1:12:21And I guess one of the favorite things
- 1:12:24about working here is everyone kind of
- 1:12:27circle. I want to say circle the train,
- 1:12:29but everyone kind of came together
- 1:12:30because they're equally passionate. So
- 1:12:32the people you're working with are just
- 1:12:34as excited. And I think both Josh and
- 1:12:35Megan already mentioned this, but you
- 1:12:37kind of end up here because you want to
- 1:12:41be here. It's not necessarily easy road
- 1:12:42to get here. So right coworkers, I guess.
- 1:12:47Yeah, I think it's I think it's really
- 1:12:48interesting to how you know, a lot of
- 1:12:50people I'm a marine biologist and I think
- 1:12:52a lot of people who try and get into this
- 1:12:54field who want to work on the ocean think
- 1:12:56they have to be a marine biologist. You
- 1:12:58are all scientists. You are all engineers
- 1:13:00of one one way or another of worked in
- 1:13:03that in that field. Did you ever picture
- 1:13:06yourself during our Josh, you might be a
- 1:13:08little different because your dad worked
- 1:13:09in this and this is something that you
- 1:13:11know was you can see what what you could
- 1:13:14what was one of the
- 1:13:15potentials other than just the
- 1:13:16being a being a pilot. But did any of you
- 1:13:18think that this is what you were going to
- 1:13:21be doing dirt will start with you this
- 1:13:22time. Like, did you think that you will
- 1:13:24be working on the ocean as a your
- 1:13:25mechanical engineer, right? Mechanical
- 1:13:27engineer. Yeah. Yeah. So do you ever
- 1:13:28think that that was one of the things
- 1:13:30you're going to be doing? No, not at all.
- 1:13:32Like I like it. Like I've always loved
- 1:13:34fishing and I like being on the ocean and
- 1:13:36stuff like that, but I never thought I'd
- 1:13:37work in the ocean. Initially, I was an
- 1:13:40aspiring geologist, my first track,
- 1:13:42trying to get a degree and
- 1:13:44that did not work out. So
- 1:13:46kind of went back square one did
- 1:13:48electrical apprenticeship or start that
- 1:13:49and then went to you Vic from marine
- 1:13:51biology kind of left that as well and
- 1:13:54then eventually did my engineering degree
- 1:13:56and still ended up kind of where I in the
- 1:13:58field work kind of thing. So long track
- 1:14:00but yeah, yeah, love it. Love it. And
- 1:14:03Josh, I know you kind of worked in that
- 1:14:05that you saw what it was like, but did
- 1:14:08you ever picture this is what you were
- 1:14:09going to be doing or like I know you said
- 1:14:10you want to be a pilot. Was this all
- 1:14:12actually what you do?
- 1:14:14Yeah, no, I didn't really consider this
- 1:14:16until my mid mid 20s to be honest. I knew
- 1:14:22it was a was an opportunity that I could
- 1:14:24probably take up. But I yeah. And then I
- 1:14:28and then once I got into it, I was
- 1:14:31basically thrown right in. I took the job
- 1:14:34and then we had our first cruise for onc
- 1:14:37in 2012 or 13. I can't remember.
- 1:14:39And we just we were kind of as a short
- 1:14:43notice thing and we got thrown on board
- 1:14:44ship and I just never turned back. So no,
- 1:14:49but no, I didn't I didn't really think
- 1:14:51that I would work offshore. I love
- 1:14:54spending time in the ocean either way,
- 1:14:57but yeah, I didn't expect this. No,
- 1:15:00absolutely. Absolutely. And
- 1:15:01Megan, how about yourself?
- 1:15:03Well, it's funny that you said most
- 1:15:04people think you need to be a marine
- 1:15:06biologist to get into this field and
- 1:15:08these guys can attest. I'm a terrible
- 1:15:10biologist. I'm terrible at identifying
- 1:15:15anything. I call them all critters and
- 1:15:18all. But yeah, no, I when I went to
- 1:15:24university, I started in science until I
- 1:15:28and I thought I was going to major in
- 1:15:30chemistry and until I hit organic chemistry.
- 1:15:31And I thought no, thank you. And then I
- 1:15:37switched to engineering and ended up
- 1:15:39going into civil engineering. So again,
- 1:15:42you don't think a civil engineering and
- 1:15:44working on the ocean at all. But it was
- 1:15:46really the co-op work term where I got
- 1:15:49the opportunity to do ocean work where
- 1:15:52like that was it. I was done. So this is
- 1:15:55it. I love the field work. I love the
- 1:15:58environment. I love the working with the
- 1:16:00technology. I love the field work.
- 1:16:00I love the technology. I love just the
- 1:16:02fact that you have to be self-reliant.
- 1:16:06You know, you can't just when you're out
- 1:16:08there, you can't just swing by the ocean
- 1:16:11hardware store to pick up anything you
- 1:16:12forgot. A lot of a lot of people in our
- 1:16:18mind, at least they say, you know, you
- 1:16:21fall into it. You get a
- 1:16:23that's exactly right. Yeah.
- 1:16:26So, you know, robotics or background in
- 1:16:27marine biology, some there's so many
- 1:16:29different backgrounds that you can
- 1:16:31actually get into engineering. It's not
- 1:16:33just limited to to marine biology or what
- 1:16:36people might think. And then you kind of
- 1:16:39get an opportunity at some point. And
- 1:16:41then a lot of people fall in love with
- 1:16:42it, just like we all have. But it's yeah,
- 1:16:45we say it all the time. How did you get
- 1:16:47into this? I kind of just fell into it.
- 1:16:50I'm 100% right, Josh. Yeah, I certainly
- 1:16:53did. Yeah. Well, and maybe I wanted to
- 1:16:56just kind of ask a question to you,
- 1:16:58obviously, you know, being being the
- 1:17:01woman on the podcast today working in a
- 1:17:03field at sea is not something that I
- 1:17:06think we see it a little bit. We see it
- 1:17:07more today than we did, you know, a few a
- 1:17:10few decades ago. But it's not something
- 1:17:12that is advertised or not a lot of young
- 1:17:15girls are going to say, I'm going to work
- 1:17:16at sea back, you know, back when I grew
- 1:17:18up in the 80s and 90s.
- 1:17:19Although I did see a lot of women in my
- 1:17:22in my class, like in my marine biology
- 1:17:24class anyway. And there's more and more
- 1:17:26engineers coming through that are that
- 1:17:28are females. What was it? What have you
- 1:17:31found the difference when you first
- 1:17:32started to now? Like, what's been that?
- 1:17:35Do you find there's do you find that
- 1:17:36you're seeing more women working in the
- 1:17:38field? And when you first started, like,
- 1:17:40how was that for you?
- 1:17:41Yeah, definitely. So, and it kind of
- 1:17:46depends on the industry that you're
- 1:17:48working in, I find working in science,
- 1:17:50there tends to be more, more women, and
- 1:17:56more women working in the field, which is
- 1:17:58kind of a friendlier environment. I
- 1:18:01didn't always work in science, and it
- 1:18:02wasn't always quite as friendly. But
- 1:18:05certainly the the number of women who are
- 1:18:10going into the field has increased.
- 1:18:11And I think the overall sort of
- 1:18:14expectations and acceptance of women
- 1:18:16being in the field has really grown a
- 1:18:19lot. You know, it used to be, you know,
- 1:18:22at times like, I wouldn't be allowed to
- 1:18:25go out on a ship because there wasn't
- 1:18:27accommodations. Yeah.
- 1:18:29And these guys know very well that at
- 1:18:32Ocean Networks Canada, that's not an
- 1:18:34acceptable answer now. Right.
- 1:18:37And so we, we have to make sure that the
- 1:18:41accommodations are there. And I think
- 1:18:42having like, you know, a generation or a
- 1:18:46couple of generations of women who've,
- 1:18:48who've kind of gone through it, and are
- 1:18:51in leadership positions now saying like,
- 1:18:54No, that's not acceptable, we have to do
- 1:18:56better is really push things forward.
- 1:19:00And so we were off shore just this past
- 1:19:02June, and there were a number of young
- 1:19:04women, or younger than me, I should say,
- 1:19:09women on on board, where it was their
- 1:19:11first experience at sea, and it was such
- 1:19:14a open and friendly and supportive
- 1:19:17environment that was different
- 1:19:20than when I started for sure.
- 1:19:22And so, you know, the other senior women
- 1:19:24on board, we just kind of looked at each
- 1:19:26other and and said to each other like,
- 1:19:28wow, can you imagine if this is what your
- 1:19:31first experience at sea was like, it was
- 1:19:34really it was it was so great to see.
- 1:19:38Obviously, having such a positive
- 1:19:40experience for for young scientists, any
- 1:19:42young scientists come out, we'll want
- 1:19:44them to come back out, that'll make it
- 1:19:45all. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, that was so
- 1:19:47much fun. I want to go back out and do it
- 1:19:49again. Let's be honest, it's not easy to
- 1:19:51work in the ocean. We say it's fun. We
- 1:19:52say it's but it's there's, there's some
- 1:19:54tough days, you know, when you when the
- 1:19:55seas are up and it's not always calm and
- 1:19:59it's and it's not always sunny. And so it
- 1:20:01can be quite difficult sometimes. So it's
- 1:20:04always good to have a
- 1:20:06great, a great crew.
- 1:20:07And as we start to, you know, I'm sorry,
- 1:20:09the questions are going to start to get
- 1:20:10into the form of like, what types of jobs
- 1:20:13are you guys doing when you're out there
- 1:20:14that having that crew dynamic where you
- 1:20:17can everybody gets along, you know, and
- 1:20:19works together and supportive together.
- 1:20:21Obviously, the three of you know, each
- 1:20:22other quite well. You've been at sea
- 1:20:23quite a number of times.
- 1:20:25You know, Dirk, what makes a crew like
- 1:20:27what what makes it like in terms of the
- 1:20:29people work so well together? Like, what
- 1:20:33does it take? Especially at sea?
- 1:20:35Well, there's very, it's kind of funny,
- 1:20:39you pick a crew, you pick your crew list
- 1:20:41very specific to what the jobs are. And
- 1:20:43there's kind of these kind of discrete
- 1:20:44jobs. And then so you've got the kind of
- 1:20:47specialists for each one. And then you
- 1:20:49also have these like, I don't know, jack
- 1:20:52of all trade, but Swiss Army knives of
- 1:20:54people that you can bring along as well.
- 1:20:55So that kind of kind of cover the spread.
- 1:20:57So we've got a few of those as well.
- 1:20:58So we'll have like a dedicated person
- 1:21:01from science or data that would focus a
- 1:21:03lot of their efforts on that field
- 1:21:04because it takes like their full
- 1:21:05attention. But then there's also the back
- 1:21:08deck work and leading dives and that kind
- 1:21:10of thing that you really need to shuffle
- 1:21:12the expertise around.
- 1:21:12But I think what gets you through the day
- 1:21:16or because some of these cruises are
- 1:21:17long, they're like 22 days of 12 hours on
- 1:21:20every day is again, is the people that
- 1:21:22you go with. I've cruised with people
- 1:21:25where the, you know, the camaraderie
- 1:21:28wasn't necessarily there. And then
- 1:21:29cruises with when it is there. It just
- 1:21:31it's a lot of jokes. It's a lot of
- 1:21:33stories. It's just kind of, I don't know.
- 1:21:35It's the people that you go with, I think
- 1:21:37it kind of form this little family on
- 1:21:38each cruise. And by the end, you're like,
- 1:21:39Oh, what I do now, because everyone goes there separately.
- 1:21:42Right. Right. So yeah, yeah, for sure.
- 1:21:45Yeah. Dirk, Dirk calls me at night after
- 1:21:47cruises for the like the first week. He's
- 1:21:50he's really gets really lonely. He misses
- 1:21:51me a lot. He doesn't ask. He calls me.
- 1:21:56No, I don't know. Is that enough with
- 1:21:58Dirk? That's enough.
- 1:22:00You've got all the voicemails.
- 1:22:02Voice mail full voice. Just check it in.
- 1:22:07Speaking of which, you know, you talk
- 1:22:09about missing each other after how long
- 1:22:11are these trips? I know they vary, but
- 1:22:13what's the average length of a trip at
- 1:22:15sea when you're going out for and I don't
- 1:22:18even know if this is what you call it.
- 1:22:20But like regular maintenance. Is that
- 1:22:21what these trips are usually for is
- 1:22:23regular mates making sure that everything
- 1:22:25is working there, making it. If you have
- 1:22:27to switch out some instrumentation things
- 1:22:29like how long are those
- 1:22:30typically those trips?
- 1:22:31And we got Megan, you can show sure.
- 1:22:35Sure. So, um, sorry, for Ocean Networks
- 1:22:38Canada, we typically have at least two
- 1:22:39regular maintenance trips per year. One
- 1:22:42is really focused more on inshore. And
- 1:22:43one is focused more on offshore. The
- 1:22:45inshore one is typically a week a little
- 1:22:48bit more than a week. The offshore one is
- 1:22:51typically two to three weeks long. Okay.
- 1:22:53And when we say two to three weeks, you
- 1:22:55know, usually it's people are working 12
- 1:22:58hour shifts. Yeah. Seven days a week. Like we don't have a lot of time to do that.
- 1:23:02It doesn't matter if it's a holiday. We
- 1:23:03don't get weekends. It's it's a grind.
- 1:23:06Yeah. Yeah. And you're and when we say 12
- 1:23:08hour shifts, like you're on your shift
- 1:23:10for 12 hours. But you know, typically
- 1:23:13you're up, you're doing some prep work,
- 1:23:15you're doing some post shift work as
- 1:23:17well. So it's it's intense for sure.
- 1:23:20Yeah. Yeah. Well, it's also it's like you
- 1:23:22want to make sure that, you know, when
- 1:23:24you're out there, everything works. And
- 1:23:26we've talked about this already. If
- 1:23:27something doesn't work, you have to be on
- 1:23:29it to make it work as fast as you can,
- 1:23:31because you only have a
- 1:23:31certain amount of time out at sea anyway.
- 1:23:34And if you're only having one or two
- 1:23:35trips, then it can be really difficult.
- 1:23:37You don't want to miss out on something
- 1:23:38or you don't have to go back out for one
- 1:23:41specific thing. If you couldn't get it
- 1:23:42done in the first trip, but I kind of got
- 1:23:45ahead of myself in terms of what goes
- 1:23:47into the planning of these trips. Like
- 1:23:49how, like how far into planning do you
- 1:23:54guys get? How many like that take months
- 1:23:56to get things done? You know, what is it?
- 1:24:00What goes into that? And then you know, you're going to have to go back to the
- 1:24:01next one. And I guess we'll we can talk
- 1:24:03to who wants to take that one. It'll take
- 1:24:04Megan. Do you want to talk to Josh?
- 1:24:07Sorry, I can talk to, you know, speak to
- 1:24:09the ROV planning. Yeah. So well, we I
- 1:24:14like to consider the the cruises almost
- 1:24:16they're almost like a movie production in
- 1:24:18that there is a ton of prep and planning
- 1:24:20that takes place. And then it all has to
- 1:24:22get done in a short window. Everybody
- 1:24:25works 24 seven. And then you're kind of
- 1:24:28done and you wrap it up. And it's it's so
- 1:24:31planning is in my opinion, it's the most
- 1:24:35important part of any cruise because you
- 1:24:38don't plan it, right? Obviously you go
- 1:24:39out and you waste all this time and
- 1:24:41money. So from the ROV side of things, we
- 1:24:45like to meet with whoever we're working
- 1:24:49with, Ocean Air, which is Canada a couple
- 1:24:51months before a job, make sure that every
- 1:24:54couple weeks after that and then closer
- 1:24:56together to make sure we have
- 1:24:59deck plans for the ship all.
- 1:25:01All worked out all of our operations that
- 1:25:05we need special equipment for we have the
- 1:25:07equipment, you know, either rented or
- 1:25:10purchased and on the way and installed.
- 1:25:12And so, you know, there's at least on our
- 1:25:17end, there's there's one to two months of
- 1:25:19prep work, depending on the specific
- 1:25:21exhibition, I think, you know, Megan, you
- 1:25:24guys, you guys have a bit more probably.
- 1:25:27Yeah, so so we we start months and months
- 1:25:29in advance and really the planning starts
- 1:25:33with what's broken and figuring out
- 1:25:38what's broken and what needs to be
- 1:25:39replaced and what needs maintenance or
- 1:25:41like where are we expanding and and from
- 1:25:44there and and we get, you know, it's it's
- 1:25:46a real team effort. So all the teams at
- 1:25:49Ocean Networks Canada and some of our
- 1:25:51stakeholders and and science partners
- 1:25:56get involved and make requests. So it
- 1:25:59starts with that. And from there, we're
- 1:26:02procuring instruments, testing them,
- 1:26:05validating them, making sure that the
- 1:26:07data quality is right, building them up.
- 1:26:10Sometimes they have to be built onto
- 1:26:12platforms. Sometimes the platform needs
- 1:26:13to be designed first.
- 1:26:15So so there's a lot of that, that prep
- 1:26:18work that goes into it. And then, you
- 1:26:22know, so that's sort of on the instrument
- 1:26:24side. And like, what are we going to do?
- 1:26:25And sort of based on what our plan is,
- 1:26:29we, we, we have to procure sometimes a
- 1:26:32ship, sometimes a ship and an ROV.
- 1:26:35And so, you know, we have to know what
- 1:26:36our requirements are for those ships and
- 1:26:38ROVs based on the work
- 1:26:40that we're trying to get done.
- 1:26:42We have to submit our permits and make
- 1:26:46sure that all of that is above board. And
- 1:26:48then and then as we're getting a little
- 1:26:50bit closer, as Josh mentioned, we work
- 1:26:52directly with the ROV provider to really
- 1:26:55get into the nuts and bolts of like
- 1:26:58integrating sensors or specialized
- 1:27:02equipment into the ROV for every
- 1:27:06for every dive that we do. So every time
- 1:27:07we go in the water with the ROV, we call
- 1:27:09it a dive at a particular site, we have
- 1:27:12very detailed dive plans written. They're
- 1:27:15usually written in advance, but they're
- 1:27:17usually tweaked like the day before a
- 1:27:20dive with input from the ROV pilots and
- 1:27:23and the people on board. And yeah, so
- 1:27:27there's there's a lot that goes into it.
- 1:27:28I would imagine too, like it's constantly
- 1:27:31changing because based on weather would
- 1:27:33would be pretty significant in terms of
- 1:27:35how that can change your plans quite
- 1:27:36quickly, whether you even go out or
- 1:27:38whether you even deploy an ROV or that
- 1:27:41type of work, right?
- 1:27:43Yeah, we're fortunate where we have a
- 1:27:44number of different sites that we can go
- 1:27:47to and and typically most of our sites
- 1:27:49are part of our expedition plan. But we
- 1:27:53are all three of us are glued to windy.
- 1:27:56Pretty much all the time looking at the
- 1:27:59forecast looking at at, you know, the
- 1:28:01wave hides the wind at each of our
- 1:28:04locations. And, you know, looking a few
- 1:28:07days in advance of like, okay, well, what
- 1:28:08makes the most sense? And does it make
- 1:28:10sense to run away from the weather here
- 1:28:13to go somewhere else?
- 1:28:14You know, to get a good weather window or
- 1:28:17is it going to turn there just as we
- 1:28:19arrive, you know, like all all those real
- 1:28:21time decisions and then we work we're we
- 1:28:24work closely with the captains to
- 1:28:25obviously, of course, of course, and
- 1:28:27Megan's leaving out really the important
- 1:28:29part of the planning,
- 1:28:30especially on board.
- 1:28:31She brings along a very
- 1:28:33large white board every time.
- 1:28:36Yeah.
- 1:28:38She calls it her dream board. And she
- 1:28:42writes down all of the possibilities
- 1:28:44every day of what we could do based on
- 1:28:46weather and everything that's gone on.
- 1:28:48And then about 36 times a day, she goes
- 1:28:51to the dream board and
- 1:28:52changes what's on it.
- 1:28:56So our vision board, right? It's like
- 1:28:57when people plan like they do their
- 1:28:59vision board. This is your vision for
- 1:29:00for. Yeah. Yeah. I have it labeled on the
- 1:29:04top. Oh, and see dream board.
- 1:29:08I love it. I absolutely love it. Now,
- 1:29:11once you've done all the planning, now
- 1:29:13you're you're steaming up. Does O and C
- 1:29:15have their own ships or do
- 1:29:16you do you contract them out?
- 1:29:21Do you take that one? Yeah, Dirk, why
- 1:29:22don't you take that one? So we contract
- 1:29:24the ships. We and those could be, you
- 1:29:27know, job specific. So a lot of times
- 1:29:29there's a certain requirement for cranes
- 1:29:31or ship size or something like this.
- 1:29:33On our inshore expeditions, we could get
- 1:29:35away with some smaller vessels and
- 1:29:37offshore. Of course, we need the bigger
- 1:29:38vessels and that's a combination of a lot
- 1:29:42of times we use Coast Guard vessels.
- 1:29:43There's some partnership there. And then
- 1:29:45also we've used Josh's their company camp
- 1:29:49back. We used to their ship before
- 1:29:50there's a few different options that we
- 1:29:52can use. So it's a combination. So I'll
- 1:29:54contract it though. We do own our own
- 1:29:56little like aluminum
- 1:29:59little smaller work boat.
- 1:30:00And we do smaller operations with that
- 1:30:02where we do small coastal observatories,
- 1:30:04but not offshore. Now with that, will
- 1:30:07that little boat come on to some of the
- 1:30:09bigger boats to do some little experts? I
- 1:30:12know some research vessels do that. No,
- 1:30:14it does not. Yeah, makes sense.
- 1:30:16It's very, very, very, yeah, for the
- 1:30:20little boat. Yeah. Now, how long does it
- 1:30:21take like for the offshore sites?
- 1:30:23Obviously, the inshore sites probably
- 1:30:24doesn't take as long, but for the
- 1:30:25offshore sites to say your furthest site
- 1:30:28that you would go, how long would that
- 1:30:30take to get there, Dirk?
- 1:30:32It takes about when you leave the dock
- 1:30:34here at IS, it takes about 27 hours of
- 1:30:37steaming to get there. Okay. So yeah, it
- 1:30:40takes quite a while to get there. Yeah.
- 1:30:41To our furthest sites. So that's our
- 1:30:44diverse site. But when we're doing our
- 1:30:47planning, we try and maximize our
- 1:30:50daylight hours and our dive windows to
- 1:30:53get to a site so that we're, yeah.
- 1:30:57So it's difficult, like when we plan our
- 1:30:59cruise in advance, we have an itinerary
- 1:31:00for okay, we're planning on leaving at
- 1:31:02one RV, are you going to be ready at one
- 1:31:04o'clock so we can leave so you can be,
- 1:31:06you know, Barkley Canyon at eight in the
- 1:31:08morning for first dive.
- 1:31:09And then you start creeping past one
- 1:31:11pass. Okay, so no point rushing to
- 1:31:13Barkley Canyon. Let's go to Cascadia. No
- 1:31:15point rushing that let's go to Endeavor
- 1:31:17because you might want to
- 1:31:17minimize those days for diving.
- 1:31:20Yeah, yeah. And like, there's a seems to
- 1:31:24be a lot of logistics in here. Have any
- 1:31:27of you gone through like logistics
- 1:31:29training because I don't know if that's
- 1:31:31necessarily taught in university when you
- 1:31:33go to university. Is this something you
- 1:31:34learn as you do more and more trips like
- 1:31:37you just kind of learn on the go? Josh,
- 1:31:39you could talk about this because
- 1:31:40I learned to hand it
- 1:31:42off to somebody else.
- 1:31:46Yeah, it just seems like you have to
- 1:31:48anticipate a lot you have to like an
- 1:31:51experience obviously matters
- 1:31:52right when you come into this.
- 1:31:54Absolutely. I mean, my, I always tell
- 1:31:57people, you know, my job specifically as
- 1:32:01the director of operations is really to
- 1:32:03just try and think of everything that we
- 1:32:05need, write it down and get get people to
- 1:32:08either do it or get
- 1:32:09it or have it shipped.
- 1:32:12You know, just like any company, we have
- 1:32:13logistics personnel and things like that.
- 1:32:17So, so there is a ton always to think
- 1:32:20about, which is why we meet so often with
- 1:32:22clients and ocean networks, Canada.
- 1:32:26Yeah, but no trading. Absolutely. And you
- 1:32:30can tell that sometimes.
- 1:32:33For sure. Yeah, I can imagine. I think
- 1:32:36you always have to be patient in a way of
- 1:32:40like not everything goes right when
- 1:32:42you're at sea, right? A lot of things can
- 1:32:44go, you know, not necessarily wrong, but
- 1:32:47divert because of weather or something
- 1:32:49that you realize when you get there.
- 1:32:51I think that's, you know, I think that's
- 1:32:54that's that's what it really happens. And
- 1:32:55when you when you get that challenge, you
- 1:32:57kind of work through it right and as a
- 1:32:59team and you talk about maybe a time
- 1:33:01making that you've you've come to a site
- 1:33:03and things didn't necessarily go as
- 1:33:06planned right off right off the bat, like
- 1:33:07the weather kind of shift like what
- 1:33:09happens when that when like weather
- 1:33:11shifts as you get to a site, is it more
- 1:33:13of a kind of weight or do you just go to
- 1:33:15the next thing that you can do?
- 1:33:17Yeah, it really depends on the
- 1:33:19conditions. So we've definitely, you
- 1:33:23know, looked at the weather window and we
- 1:33:25get on site and the weather looks okay.
- 1:33:27And we started dive say, yeah, and we get
- 1:33:31partway through the dive and the
- 1:33:32weather's deteriorating and with a lot of
- 1:33:35input from the ROV team and from the
- 1:33:37ship's captain, you know, we say, okay,
- 1:33:40we have to cut this dive short, like we
- 1:33:42have to recover right away,
- 1:33:44you know, because ultimately,
- 1:33:45you know, when the ROV is being
- 1:33:48recovered, you know, it's it's a huge
- 1:33:51robot coming up on a crane and people are
- 1:33:54having to navigate it on deck and secure
- 1:33:57everything on deck. And we, you know, we
- 1:34:00have to do it in a safe way. Right. So
- 1:34:02whatever the operation
- 1:34:04is, we're not going to
- 1:34:06we're not going to risk unsafe
- 1:34:10operations. So if if the weather's
- 1:34:13deteriorating, if the captain makes a
- 1:34:16call, then, you know, the operation is
- 1:34:19done for the day and we recover the ROV.
- 1:34:21Yeah. And and then we look at the
- 1:34:24forecast. And, you know, maybe it's
- 1:34:27blowing through very quickly. And we sit
- 1:34:29and wait, which we do sometimes. Yeah,
- 1:34:31maybe it's going to be really bad in that location for the next
- 1:34:33three days. And then we look at our other
- 1:34:38locations on our a couple years ago, we a
- 1:34:45really big storm was coming through. And
- 1:34:48it was going to impact all of our sites.
- 1:34:50And we actually ran away from the storm
- 1:34:52and hunkered down for over a day off the
- 1:34:55coast of Oregon, because that was the
- 1:34:57only place that we wouldn't get pummeled.
- 1:34:59Right. So it happens. And so when we're doing our part, we're going to have to do a little bit of a
- 1:35:03planning, like we we oversubscribe
- 1:35:07ourselves. So we plan to to do more
- 1:35:10things than we could ever possibly get
- 1:35:12done. Because maybe the weather is going
- 1:35:16to be great the whole time. And we could
- 1:35:18get nearly all of it done. Typically, we
- 1:35:22were down for a little bit during the
- 1:35:25weather. Sometimes when the weather is
- 1:35:27too bad to dive for safety reasons with
- 1:35:30the ROV, depending on the vessel that we have, we can get it done.
- 1:35:33And so we have sometimes we can spend
- 1:35:34some time mapping. So using using a multi
- 1:35:38beam mapping system. Yeah, exactly. And
- 1:35:43so just kind of mapping the gaps and
- 1:35:46collecting data just to be somewhat
- 1:35:49useful while we're waiting for the
- 1:35:50weather to settle down.
- 1:35:52Yeah. Now, Josh, when you deployed the
- 1:35:55ROV, I've never been part of that. I've
- 1:35:58never had the pleasure of being a part of
- 1:35:59that kind of excursion. Is the ROV
- 1:36:02tethered to to the boat at all times?
- 1:36:04Like there's a cable that goes down that
- 1:36:06that that allows you to talk to the ROV
- 1:36:08in a way in a sense?
- 1:36:10Yes, yes. I mean, it's kind of the
- 1:36:13definition of an ROV remotely operated
- 1:36:15vehicle. They're always to be designated
- 1:36:19as an ROV. You're tethered to a ship or
- 1:36:22to a vessel or a dock if you want. So
- 1:36:26there are autonomous
- 1:36:28underwater vehicles, AUVs that are not.
- 1:36:30But they're used for a totally different
- 1:36:32purpose. And for for for Ocean Networks
- 1:36:34Canada, we need to obviously we need to
- 1:36:36be operating our manipulators and we need
- 1:36:38to see the live view of the camera. So we
- 1:36:41need the tether, which is almost 7000
- 1:36:44meters long on a giant winch that's on
- 1:36:47board and contain our power conductors
- 1:36:50and fiber optics to get the data up to
- 1:36:52the surface and down to the ROV.
- 1:36:54So yes, always tethered, which, you know,
- 1:36:59is is always it's the hardest thing to to
- 1:37:04manage for ROV pilots. If you can manage
- 1:37:06your tether through all that water when
- 1:37:10you're really deep, then you can you can
- 1:37:13work usually just fine.
- 1:37:16So that's it's a big part of ROV. The
- 1:37:19tether is flexible, though, right? It's
- 1:37:20just like it's cables. It's not like a
- 1:37:22metal. Is it a metal piece?
- 1:37:23Well, there's there's multiple types. So
- 1:37:27we have several ROVs and really the two
- 1:37:31main types are soft, heather and armored.
- 1:37:34So a soft tether would be wrapped in a
- 1:37:38rubber and be easily bendable.
- 1:37:42And the other thing is, you know, a lot
- 1:37:43of the work is better for certain
- 1:37:43applications, but Ocean Networks Canada
- 1:37:46requires through framelifts of our
- 1:37:50vehicle. So we use our vehicle to attach
- 1:37:53to scientific platforms subsea.
- 1:38:04And then we have an armored umbilical,
- 1:38:05which is very, very strong. We can pick
- 1:38:08up the ROV off the sea floor while we're
- 1:38:10latched into things that are thousands of
- 1:38:12pounds. And then we can bring them all
- 1:38:15the way up to the ship. So that's why we
- 1:38:18have an armored umbilical on our deep ROV
- 1:38:20so that we can use it as basically a
- 1:38:23really deep crane almost to deploy and
- 1:38:28everything should see for.
- 1:38:30Cool. So that's why, you know, all the
- 1:38:32currents that happen within the water
- 1:38:34column, however different they are, as
- 1:38:35you go down deeper, that that matters
- 1:38:38when it comes to these tethers and how
- 1:38:40the ROV is is operated. Let's talk about
- 1:38:43when you get I wanted to kind of hit on
- 1:38:45this this ROV when you guys are operating
- 1:38:47the ROV, you're in a little room, I
- 1:38:50assume, or a container depending on the
- 1:38:52ROV on the ship. And who's in the
- 1:38:55container when you do this? Obviously,
- 1:38:56Josh, you're probably in this operating
- 1:38:57it. Dirk, are you in it as well?
- 1:38:59Yeah, so normally for every ROV shift,
- 1:39:03there'd be a ONC dive lead. And that
- 1:39:05would be either myself. It's normally me
- 1:39:08or Megan or we have another person here
- 1:39:10and we kind of rotate shifts as well. And
- 1:39:13we'll just go through the dive plan and
- 1:39:14kind of pivot as as things aren't going
- 1:39:16to work as expected anyway. So yeah,
- 1:39:19there'd be a senior person
- 1:39:20there every time from one C.
- 1:39:21Okay, and then that's where like that
- 1:39:23person's like, okay, this is what we want
- 1:39:25to accomplish on the dive. Let's see if
- 1:39:26we can find what we need to find and
- 1:39:28where we're going. And then Josh, your,
- 1:39:29your focus is more of just operating the
- 1:39:32ROV, making sure it's in a safe spot. And
- 1:39:34then there are arms on these ROVs and you
- 1:39:37actually start to handle things.
- 1:39:39Yeah, can you talk can you talk about
- 1:39:42that? Because I still I don't know if my
- 1:39:43brain just doesn't fathom how difficult
- 1:39:46it must be to be able to operate these
- 1:39:48arms in like at depth. When you you know,
- 1:39:52it's clarity a problem sometimes I can
- 1:39:55you talk a little bit about what happens
- 1:39:57when you get to the point of where you
- 1:39:59want to go, and you have to start doing
- 1:40:00your your maintenance or whatever the
- 1:40:03purpose of that dive is.
- 1:40:04Sure, absolutely. Just, first of all, as
- 1:40:08far as God leads from ocean risk Canada,
- 1:40:10I have some that I like and some that I
- 1:40:12don't put that on the record. I'm not
- 1:40:13going to say who world boss over there.
- 1:40:19But yeah, okay, so visibility is always
- 1:40:23tough. Certain sites that ocean risk
- 1:40:25Canada picks make me want to just I, I
- 1:40:32get so angry sometimes
- 1:40:33Andrew, it's a good thing.
- 1:40:33Andrew, because when you when you can't
- 1:40:36see what's in front of you with the
- 1:40:37cameras that you're trying to do
- 1:40:39manipulations, it's obviously it's very
- 1:40:41difficult. But we've been doing that for
- 1:40:44many years. I joke around that it makes
- 1:40:47me it doesn't make me angry. It's just a
- 1:40:49more difficult situation. But the science
- 1:40:51needs to be conducted in these areas,
- 1:40:53specifically, because of certain effects
- 1:40:57that make their to turbidity. So, you
- 1:41:00know, so bad. So there's several
- 1:41:02instruments we can use.
- 1:41:02Multigree sonar's and acoustic cameras to
- 1:41:07to kind of see through it and employing
- 1:41:10modes and getting better and better at
- 1:41:12that over the years. And then as far as
- 1:41:15manipulations go, so we basically we have
- 1:41:19two, what we call seven functions
- 1:41:21spatially correspondent manipulators on
- 1:41:23the vehicle one on
- 1:41:24each side at the front.
- 1:41:24You know, each side at the front and
- 1:41:26spatially correspondent means that we
- 1:41:29have a miniature version of the arm
- 1:41:31inside the control van, we call it. And
- 1:41:36for each arm and a person sits there and
- 1:41:38when they move that controller in the arm
- 1:41:42will move exactly as
- 1:41:43the controllers move.
- 1:41:43Oh, okay.
- 1:41:46And they move the controller around the
- 1:41:48arm will follow and it's almost instant
- 1:41:51and we need to have that ability. They're
- 1:41:53very advanced, you know, expensive pieces
- 1:41:57of machinery and engineering. We need
- 1:42:00them to do the delicate science to do the
- 1:42:04operations that is
- 1:42:05required by Ocean Networks Canada.
- 1:42:06So it's, you know, it's a very, very fun
- 1:42:11part of the job, of course, but also,
- 1:42:13again, can be extremely stressful. If
- 1:42:17anybody watches, it takes about, I don't
- 1:42:21know, any floor from 10 to 100 times
- 1:42:23longer to do something with those arms
- 1:42:25than it would for you to do
- 1:42:26something with your own arm.
- 1:42:27Yeah.
- 1:42:28Online. So it's a, it can be tough.
- 1:42:32Well, and also you're in an environment
- 1:42:33that's very different. Obviously it's the
- 1:42:36deep sea in many of these cases. And
- 1:42:38there are there are critters as Megan
- 1:42:41likes to call them critters in the deep
- 1:42:43sea. Have you ever had, you know, can you
- 1:42:47talk about some of the experiences that
- 1:42:49you've had where a critter comes in is
- 1:42:51like just curious about what they see.
- 1:42:52They're probably like, what is this? What
- 1:42:54is this critter? Like, what is going on
- 1:42:56here? Do you get any, any kind of animals
- 1:42:58that come in and just kind of play around
- 1:43:00with the arms or try and touch the arms
- 1:43:01because they're curious.
- 1:43:03So mostly the arms, what will and be
- 1:43:05curious about those always octopus. Yeah.
- 1:43:08And it's always the coolest best thing
- 1:43:10that we encounter. We will go to plug
- 1:43:13something in for us, networks, Canada,
- 1:43:15and there will be an octopus hiding kind
- 1:43:17of using a platform and
- 1:43:18this for platform as it's den.
- 1:43:20And sometimes they'll be basically right
- 1:43:22in the way. And we don't want to, you
- 1:43:25know, scare or hurt these animals. So we
- 1:43:28have to sort of use the manipulator and
- 1:43:30try and they usually at that point, then
- 1:43:32they'll reach out and
- 1:43:33they'll, they'll grab onto you.
- 1:43:34And obviously it's not dangerous to the
- 1:43:37ROV in any way, but it's extremely
- 1:43:39interesting and really fun. I mean, I
- 1:43:43joke around with my friends that I'm out
- 1:43:44fighting off octopus all the time trying
- 1:43:46to get them out of our way.
- 1:43:48A lot of crabs too, Josh. A lot of crabs.
- 1:43:53I'm sort of like coming into the into the
- 1:43:56frame of the camera.
- 1:43:56Yeah, they want to very slowly. Yeah.
- 1:44:00Yeah. But they they they get their they
- 1:44:03see the arms. Yeah, they're brave.
- 1:44:05They're like, okay, let's go. Yeah. I
- 1:44:08don't know what I get
- 1:44:09myself into, but I'm ready. Yeah.
- 1:44:10Yeah. Well, I can I can oppose this all
- 1:44:12three of you. What's been the most
- 1:44:14interesting thing that's happened while
- 1:44:17deploying an ROV down at those depths
- 1:44:20while doing work down there? What's been
- 1:44:21the most interesting thing that's
- 1:44:23happened to it could be individually or
- 1:44:25is it as a team when
- 1:44:26you're when you're down there?
- 1:44:29I think I can start one of the.
- 1:44:32Oh, go ahead, Derek.
- 1:44:34Yeah. So one of the ones you don't expect
- 1:44:36as we have these instruments that are
- 1:44:37called fenthic and resist resistivity
- 1:44:40sensors bars is what they look like. You
- 1:44:42know, the tubes at once and you go to a
- 1:44:44hydrothermal vent like the black smoker
- 1:44:46spewing out the hydrothermal fluid and
- 1:44:49you put the wand inside inside there and
- 1:44:51it measures temperature and resistivity
- 1:44:54of the of the fluid.
- 1:44:54But then you come back a year or two
- 1:44:57later and the whole instrument is now
- 1:45:00part of the rock since the road is
- 1:45:02growing as it's being deposited. The
- 1:45:04rocks actually growing around it and then
- 1:45:06there's no way to get it out. It's now
- 1:45:07part of it. So there's been a situation
- 1:45:10where we can't actually remove it. It's
- 1:45:12been completely engulfed over the course
- 1:45:14of like a lot of times it's completely
- 1:45:17melted ruined. Yeah. Yeah. Not working.
- 1:45:20Yeah. But it's not so much that's like
- 1:45:22there's also cool stuff that
- 1:45:23happens because the unique.
- 1:45:23Like situation of operating ROV subsea
- 1:45:27the ship is actually stationary for you
- 1:45:30know, hours sometimes 36 hours because
- 1:45:32the ROV is there and now you're offshore
- 1:45:34sitting in the middle plot basically
- 1:45:36without moving and when the weather gets
- 1:45:38really thick or what they called socked
- 1:45:41in all the lights from the ship is kind
- 1:45:43of contained within that bubble on the
- 1:45:45surface. Yeah. Over the course of the
- 1:45:47night since nothing's moving you get the
- 1:45:49bait fish you get all the bait you get
- 1:45:51there if you didn't come in and then
- 1:45:52becomes a feeding frenzy. So.
- 1:45:52You've got I don't know we've seen one
- 1:45:56night you could see millions uncountable
- 1:45:58amount of fish but then also sunfish and
- 1:46:01sharks and dolphins all just all nights
- 1:46:03warming around the vessel. It's pretty
- 1:46:06cool. I don't think you get that unless
- 1:46:08you're getting the ROV down below as well
- 1:46:09for that long. Right. Right. That's kind
- 1:46:11of a cool thing. That's amazing. That's
- 1:46:14pretty cool. Megan. Do you have a did you
- 1:46:15have a different story that's happened to
- 1:46:18you where that's really
- 1:46:18memorable. Well, I'll tell a couple.
- 1:46:21So one of our sites is the endeavor
- 1:46:26hydrothermal vents that Dirk was talking
- 1:46:28about a little bit and I remember kind of
- 1:46:33like one of my first cruises going there
- 1:46:34and you know I didn't really know that
- 1:46:37much about them but you know the ROV goes
- 1:46:39down and it's kind of like
- 1:46:42you're on a different planet.
- 1:46:42So there's there's all these hydrothermal
- 1:46:46vents that look like spires and there's
- 1:46:49like what looks like black smoke coming
- 1:46:51out of them and and it's kind of shocking
- 1:46:56and and the fact that the ROV can like
- 1:46:59navigate around these vent structures
- 1:47:02because you might turn a corner and then
- 1:47:05because you don't have the same sort of
- 1:47:08spatial awareness that you do as a human
- 1:47:10with like peripheral vision and
- 1:47:11necessarily like you'll you'll turn the
- 1:47:14corner and then in the frame there'll be
- 1:47:16this huge hydrothermal vent tower like
- 1:47:19whoa. Yeah. It's pretty magical and and
- 1:47:26kind of shocking because you're you're
- 1:47:28you're floating on the ship above it and
- 1:47:30you're like whoa. It's like this this sci
- 1:47:33fi universe just straight down below
- 1:47:36where we're sitting right now. It's
- 1:47:38pretty epic. And then I'll tell one other thing. So yeah, I think that's a great thing.
- 1:47:41Yeah, for sure.
- 1:47:44We were on an expedition this past June
- 1:47:47and we'd finished all of our dives and we
- 1:47:52had a like a couple of hours before we
- 1:47:55had to leave to be back to the dock in
- 1:47:57time and it was lunch time and everybody
- 1:48:02was kind of sitting outside eating lunch
- 1:48:04and these humpback whales just were
- 1:48:08playing in front of the ship for
- 1:48:10and we didn't we didn't have to leave yet
- 1:48:13and nobody was on shift anymore. So we
- 1:48:16just it was this this epic, you know,
- 1:48:20whale watching situation and we could
- 1:48:23just sit there for an hour and the whole
- 1:48:27crew was outside. I would imagine running
- 1:48:30from one side of the vessel to the other
- 1:48:32as as we were watching these humpbacks
- 1:48:34playing and slapping.
- 1:48:35I want to say it got up to five. Wow. Do
- 1:48:40you remember that right, Dirk? Yeah,
- 1:48:43there's a few groups that travel through
- 1:48:44during the dive and at the end they were
- 1:48:45kind of the last stragglers are kind of
- 1:48:48just playing. We eventually think they
- 1:48:50were playing in the bow thruster as a
- 1:48:52ship holding station. They were just like
- 1:48:54getting that blow of the thruster, right?
- 1:48:57It was a it was a pretty magical way to
- 1:48:59to finish an expedition.
- 1:49:02Yeah, I mean, it's it's really great when
- 1:49:06you can you almost have your you know,
- 1:49:08your your environmental documentary right
- 1:49:10in front of you. Yeah, you know, where
- 1:49:11you just see the beautiful scenery, you
- 1:49:13know, the ocean in the background, the
- 1:49:15horizon and then you've got you've got
- 1:49:17whales just playing in front of your ship
- 1:49:19and you know, and you're then you're off
- 1:49:20and that's that's probably the best way
- 1:49:21to to kind of end your shift, I think.
- 1:49:23Yeah, and there's definitely you know,
- 1:49:26you talk about some days where you're
- 1:49:28like, there's not enough money in the
- 1:49:29world that you can pay me to keep doing
- 1:49:32this, especially if you're if you're
- 1:49:34seasick and it's rough and it's just oh,
- 1:49:37and then on the flip side, there's days
- 1:49:39where you're like, I can't believe I'm
- 1:49:40getting paid to do this right now. This
- 1:49:42is absolutely incredible.
- 1:49:43Yeah, no, it's it's it's it's amazing. I
- 1:49:48want to just talk a little bit about the
- 1:49:50challenges that we have, like out at sea,
- 1:49:53you know, obviously, we've talked about
- 1:49:55nothing works perfectly. It's it's it can
- 1:49:58be very hectic. Josh, for the ROV, what
- 1:50:02are the biggest challenges? Obviously,
- 1:50:04visibility is one we've we've kind of
- 1:50:06touched upon in a bit of the currents. Is
- 1:50:07there anything else that becomes a
- 1:50:08challenge? Or is your
- 1:50:10you just got an easy job?
- 1:50:10It's not easy. It's a yeah, I actually
- 1:50:14don't really do anything. It's just
- 1:50:15robot. It's very true. It's very true.
- 1:50:19Really easy. I could do that one. Yeah,
- 1:50:24Josh, Josh mostly just calls it in. Yeah,
- 1:50:26I don't actually come out of my my bunk.
- 1:50:29Yeah. Yeah. Well, I mean, so it's, it's a
- 1:50:34the most dynamic environment to work in.
- 1:50:36It that we know of currently in the I
- 1:50:41would say in the universe. And the reason
- 1:50:43I say that is because yes, we can get to
- 1:50:45space. But when you're in space, you have
- 1:50:47a one atmosphere. It's a vacuum, but
- 1:50:50that's it. You know, it's it's it doesn't
- 1:50:54change where you go in space, say, but if
- 1:50:57you go in the deep ocean, every meter
- 1:51:00deeper that you put your RV into the
- 1:51:02ocean there, the water pressure increases
- 1:51:04because of the weight of weight of the water. Right.
- 1:51:04And that's because of the weight of
- 1:51:05weight of the water above you, of course.
- 1:51:07So so the biggest challenge in or obese
- 1:51:11general is is especially when you're
- 1:51:13going really deep to 3000 meters is
- 1:51:16making sure that all your systems are are
- 1:51:21built properly and maintained properly so
- 1:51:25that water doesn't creep into anywhere
- 1:51:27you don't want it to.
- 1:51:28And so it's a very highly advanced piece
- 1:51:30of robotics that you're throwing into
- 1:51:31salt water under pressure that's changing
- 1:51:35all the time. So that's the you know,
- 1:51:38that's that's problem number one. Now
- 1:51:40that's more or less been solved over the
- 1:51:42years of our engineering.
- 1:51:43But then the dynamics of the job, the
- 1:51:47other dynamics is obviously the weather
- 1:51:48solution, the ship has problems in the
- 1:51:52weather holding station or can make
- 1:51:55launch and recovery dangerous if you if
- 1:51:57you do it in two high seas.
- 1:51:59So that's another issue that we face
- 1:52:02commonly. And then visibility, like we
- 1:52:06mentioned, that can be one.
- 1:52:07Sometimes we have great visibility,
- 1:52:10especially at the deeper sites. So that's
- 1:52:11not an issue. Currents, though, ocean
- 1:52:14currents can be a very large issue. We
- 1:52:16have a cruise in March coming up where
- 1:52:18we'll be doing some work where the
- 1:52:20currents can be really, really just
- 1:52:23terrible to work in.
- 1:52:25For example, we've launched an ROV once
- 1:52:27and of course we know what the surface
- 1:52:30current is doing from from just looking
- 1:52:33over the side of the ship. So we put the
- 1:52:35ROV in and we we face the ship. So the
- 1:52:37ROV will get swept by the current away
- 1:52:39from the ship to a safe spot.
- 1:52:41But once we dove 10 meters down, the
- 1:52:43current was going in complete opposite
- 1:52:45direction. And we could not tell that we
- 1:52:47didn't have an instrumentation to know.
- 1:52:49So the ROV went 10 meters down and we're
- 1:52:51diving and all of a sudden it starts
- 1:52:52getting pushed directly underneath the
- 1:52:54ship, which is very dangerous.
- 1:52:57Yeah. So, you know, that that can be one
- 1:52:59for sure. Yeah, definitely. Definitely a
- 1:53:02change. I mean, there's a lot of I'm
- 1:53:04sorry, go ahead, make gifts.
- 1:53:04Oh, I was gonna say, Josh, you can tell
- 1:53:07Andrew about your very highly
- 1:53:09sophisticated surface
- 1:53:10current check before launching.
- 1:53:14I'm so glad that you brought that up
- 1:53:16again. Well, you're also my I have a very
- 1:53:20advanced instrument. I go over to the
- 1:53:23side of the ship and I spit into the
- 1:53:26water and I watch sit and see how fast
- 1:53:29and what direction it
- 1:53:30goes. Very scientific.
- 1:53:31And yeah, and it usually works pretty
- 1:53:34well. Yeah, I can imagine. I can imagine
- 1:53:38now. I want to kind of bring up there's
- 1:53:41there's a story that I've heard about an
- 1:53:44ROV deciding to go on
- 1:53:45its own trip at one point.
- 1:53:47And you know, in a way, it's a bit of a
- 1:53:50one of your scientific studies, I guess,
- 1:53:52of finding out currents and where they
- 1:53:53go. Can you talk a little bit about Josh,
- 1:53:56where an ROV ended up
- 1:53:57off the coast of Oregon?
- 1:54:00Sure, absolutely. No problem. This is my
- 1:54:04story of what I like to say is the
- 1:54:06longest ROV dive ever because it was in
- 1:54:08the water for two weeks straight. We were
- 1:54:12installing an outfall pipe, which is a
- 1:54:15pipe that comes from a sewage tank.
- 1:54:16Comes from a sewage treatment plant in
- 1:54:18Victoria and then disperses treated
- 1:54:21sewage in deep into the ocean properly.
- 1:54:25We were installing a new one a few years
- 1:54:27ago. And as pretty much every time we've
- 1:54:33had a major issue, there
- 1:54:36was multiple factors involved.
- 1:54:37But basically, our ROV became the tether
- 1:54:41became trapped due to a few different
- 1:54:46things. The weather came up and we became
- 1:54:48trapped subsea. So we had to cut the
- 1:54:53tether manually on the ship and leave the
- 1:54:55ROV stuck subsea overnight because we
- 1:54:58couldn't stay where
- 1:54:59we were with the ship.
- 1:54:59But when we came back in the morning, the
- 1:55:04ROV was no longer stuck and they're
- 1:55:07designed to float when they are not being
- 1:55:09powered so that you can find them. And we
- 1:55:15came back in the morning. It was nowhere
- 1:55:17to be found. I spent about four days in a
- 1:55:19small airplane searching the ocean around
- 1:55:22that area. We didn't see it.
- 1:55:23Is that the term?
- 1:55:27Absolutely. And I guess we weren't really
- 1:55:29looking in the right spot because
- 1:55:30evidently it had floated all the way down
- 1:55:34to the coast of Oregon from Victoria. I
- 1:55:36don't know how many kilometers that is.
- 1:55:39And we actually had we literally had lost
- 1:55:44ROV flyers and posters out in Victoria.
- 1:55:46Like if found, please return to or please
- 1:55:50call. And we put our notices to the coast
- 1:55:52guard and somebody eventually found it in
- 1:55:55the US waters. And we got it back. Then
- 1:55:59we got it working within four hours by
- 1:56:01being returned to us, to our facility. So
- 1:56:04that was pretty cool.
- 1:56:06I think before we recorded, I think Megan
- 1:56:08says by a good scientific
- 1:56:09drifting study, I think is what we.
- 1:56:10That's a very expensive way to understand
- 1:56:14current versus Josh's spit test.
- 1:56:21He's got the extremes covered. Yeah, it
- 1:56:25was pretty rough at the time, but I could
- 1:56:28have been stressful. Yeah, it's also not
- 1:56:31the first ROV that I've lost. Just the
- 1:56:34longest amount of time.
- 1:56:37Gotcha. Gotcha.
- 1:56:39Dirk, one of the things I wanted to talk
- 1:56:41about too, just as we kind of wrap this
- 1:56:43up, is you're working in very deep
- 1:56:47waters. The pressure is almost like to
- 1:56:50the extreme. What type of materials do a
- 1:56:53lot of the instrumentation have to have
- 1:56:55to be able to survive in deep?
- 1:56:57We talked a little bit about if you put
- 1:56:59something in a hydrothermal vent, the
- 1:57:01deposits can grow on top of it. But if
- 1:57:04we're looking at just a platform and
- 1:57:06tubes that instruments go into or water
- 1:57:09that flows through if it has to flow
- 1:57:10through, what kind of materials are we
- 1:57:12looking at here that you're working with?
- 1:57:15So obviously the easiest material that's
- 1:57:18the least reactive is plastic. So if you
- 1:57:20can get away with plastic in whatever
- 1:57:21pressure, that's the ideal. But like Josh
- 1:57:23said, pressure, our deepest site is
- 1:57:25almost three kilometers and the pressure
- 1:57:28down there is 4,500
- 1:57:30pounds per square inch.
- 1:57:32So you can't get away with plastic if
- 1:57:34there's any kind of air void, right?
- 1:57:37Yeah. So mostly what we do use is
- 1:57:40titanium because we don't want to have to
- 1:57:44recover an instrument or anything like
- 1:57:45this because we're worried about the
- 1:57:48corrosion on the housing. So titanium is
- 1:57:50normally our go-to for
- 1:57:51absolutely everything.
- 1:57:52So we have used aluminum, it's much
- 1:57:58cheaper. It's easier to machine, but in
- 1:58:00general, titanium. We also use shallow
- 1:58:02water. We do use aluminum shallow water.
- 1:58:05We can get away with plastic. But it's
- 1:58:07not just pressure. We're
- 1:58:08also worried about corrosion.
- 1:58:10And that could be affected by not just
- 1:58:12salt water. Like in straight Georgia, we
- 1:58:14get crazy corrosion on like stainless
- 1:58:16steel or anything like this. And we don't
- 1:58:18like it's just some other chemical or
- 1:58:20interaction in the water. Right. Some of
- 1:58:22the more dormant. I don't know, dormant,
- 1:58:24but like, I guess less interesting sites
- 1:58:27like the abyssal plains, the things just
- 1:58:29seem to last. And at the hydrothermal
- 1:58:30events, there's some other weird reaction
- 1:58:32that interferes with the materials and
- 1:58:34village to protect itself. So but
- 1:58:36titanium generally is good
- 1:58:37for any of those environments.
- 1:58:38Gotcha. Wonderful. And I know it's
- 1:58:41sometimes for a lot of us, it's difficult
- 1:58:42to picture what's what's under there. And
- 1:58:45you guys have done a really great job of
- 1:58:47putting together a story map website
- 1:58:50where people can click on to. We'll put
- 1:58:52the links in the show notes. Can we talk
- 1:58:55about, you know, why this is such an
- 1:58:57important aspect, Megan, to have these
- 1:59:00types of story maps up to kind of give
- 1:59:02people a perspective of what it's like,
- 1:59:05what the instrumentation looks like, what
- 1:59:06it's like to operate in ROV. I'm looking right now.
- 1:59:07ROV arm that's that's trying to grab a
- 1:59:12rope. You know, it's what how important
- 1:59:14is that for for O and C to get that
- 1:59:17information out there and for campact to
- 1:59:18do that to share first shout out to the O
- 1:59:22and C comms team who actually puts a lot
- 1:59:24of work into the story maps.
- 1:59:26I don't know that us as engineers and
- 1:59:31technologists are the best storytellers
- 1:59:33all the time, but working closely with
- 1:59:36our comms team to put these stories
- 1:59:38together in compelling ways so that
- 1:59:41anyone can understand what we're talking
- 1:59:45about and and to really tell the story
- 1:59:47for any ages, you know, kindergarten to,
- 1:59:50you know, seniors with
- 1:59:53any kind of background.
- 1:59:54And it's really, you know, if you think
- 1:59:57about the planet Earth, we're actually
- 2:00:00mostly ocean and, you know, other than
- 2:00:05the surface of the ocean, most people
- 2:00:06don't get a chance to see what's
- 2:00:08underneath and to understand how
- 2:00:10important the ocean is to the health of
- 2:00:13the planet and to our industries, to our,
- 2:00:16you know, food supplies,
- 2:00:18you know, the list goes on.
- 2:00:20And so kind of opening up that window so
- 2:00:22that there's better understanding of what
- 2:00:24goes on in the deep ocean, the
- 2:00:26interactions in the deep ocean, you know,
- 2:00:28just for overall awareness and and really
- 2:00:31sort of, you know, opening the door and,
- 2:00:35you know, sort of opening people's minds
- 2:00:37and kind of maybe inspiring a few kids to
- 2:00:40to join us on these on these offshore
- 2:00:44expeditions in future.
- 2:00:45So, yeah, so it's it's super important to
- 2:00:49get out there and to tell the stories and
- 2:00:51to and to make it accessible
- 2:00:53for as many people as possible.
- 2:00:56Absolutely. If I have a question, you
- 2:00:57guys are preparing to go out in offshore
- 2:01:00soon in the next month, I believe. Is
- 2:01:03this going to be a regular maintenance
- 2:01:04plan or is this going
- 2:01:06to be anything different?
- 2:01:07We'll go with this one. Yeah, so this is
- 2:01:12we generally have to I guess long story
- 2:01:16short, yes, it's regular maintenance. We
- 2:01:17have normally two expeditions a year.
- 2:01:19And normally we focus the early season
- 2:01:21one on inshore, near shore activities and
- 2:01:24then the summer one offshore. And that's
- 2:01:26kind of a combination between the inshore
- 2:01:28trying to get ahead of the like the fresh
- 2:01:30set, which when we get all the more nutrients in the water and we get
- 2:01:31all the more nutrients in the water and
- 2:01:33we get all the blooms and visibility kind
- 2:01:36of goes away. So we try and get our our
- 2:01:39instruments freshly prepped for that to
- 2:01:41capture all that data.
- 2:01:42Gotcha.
- 2:01:42And then offshore, we want to maximize
- 2:01:44weather. So we try to go in the best
- 2:01:46weather months. So
- 2:01:47that's always going to summer.
- 2:01:49Gotcha. Yeah, that makes sense. That
- 2:01:51makes sense. Well, I have to say the
- 2:01:53three of you. Thank you so much for
- 2:01:54coming on the show and
- 2:01:55talking about the work that you do.
- 2:01:57Obviously, it's invaluable to the
- 2:01:59operations of ONC and it was super fun to
- 2:02:02have all three of you on. And it's great
- 2:02:04to see, you know, the way you guys banter
- 2:02:06back and forth. And obviously, you've
- 2:02:08known each other for a long time, spent a
- 2:02:09lot of time at sea together.
- 2:02:10And I think it's a lot of fun to be able
- 2:02:12to have that on the on the episode too.
- 2:02:14So I really appreciate all three of you
- 2:02:15coming on and for the work you do. And
- 2:02:17good luck with the next with the next
- 2:02:19trip. And I'd love to have you back on
- 2:02:21the show at some point.
- 2:02:23Awesome. Thanks, Andrew.
- 2:02:25Thank you, Andrew. Thank you.
- 2:02:26Thank you, Megan, Josh and Dirk for
- 2:02:29joining me on today's episode of the How
- 2:02:30to Protect the Ocean podcast and this
- 2:02:32segment, Surfacing Secrets Explore the
- 2:02:33Ocean and Know the Planet. This is such
- 2:02:36an important thing for me to partner with
- 2:02:38Ocean Networks Canada as well as their
- 2:02:40partners to just kind of give the behind
- 2:02:42the scenes of what goes on.
- 2:02:43We hear a lot about the deep sea. We hear
- 2:02:45a lot about the work that goes on, but we
- 2:02:47don't get the intricacies of it. We don't
- 2:02:49understand how like who are the players,
- 2:02:51who are the scientists, the data
- 2:02:52engineers, the IT people. We
- 2:02:54don't get to hear from them.
- 2:02:54And they are amazing people, as you can
- 2:02:56tell the chemistry between all three
- 2:02:59other people that we had on today, Megan,
- 2:03:01Josh and Dirk were fun. You know, you can
- 2:03:03tell that they have a lot of fun out
- 2:03:04there on at sea and in the field because
- 2:03:06it's hard. It's not easy. It's long days,
- 2:03:08long nights at times.
- 2:03:09It's very intense to work out at sea.
- 2:03:12You're never going to have like a perfect
- 2:03:14day to work out at sea when you're
- 2:03:15looking at, you know, wave actions and
- 2:03:17weather and so forth. So it's really good
- 2:03:19to be able to everybody get along.
- 2:03:20And you can just see that right now, the
- 2:03:22camaraderie between the three guests that
- 2:03:24we had on today. It was amazing. It was
- 2:03:26fun. And you get to see how much fun they
- 2:03:28have at sea as well as here on the
- 2:03:30podcast. So it's great to see that you
- 2:03:32have any questions or comments. Feel free
- 2:03:34to go to the website.
- 2:03:35The ocean networks, Canada's website,
- 2:03:37I'll put it in the show notes in the
- 2:03:38description below, depending on how
- 2:03:40you're consuming this podcast. But I'd
- 2:03:42love to hear your questions for the
- 2:03:44podcast. If you want to let me know in
- 2:03:46the comments on YouTube, or if you're
- 2:03:48listening to this on your favorite
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- 2:03:53Let me know if you have any questions
- 2:03:55about ONC or if you have any comments
- 2:03:57about the episodes, if you enjoy them, if
- 2:03:59you don't like it, let me know. I want to
- 2:04:00hear your feedback. Let me hear it from
- 2:04:02you. And I want to thank you so much for
- 2:04:04joining me on today's episode of the how
- 2:04:06to protect the ocean podcast. I'm your
- 2:04:07host, Andrew Lewin from the true North
- 2:04:08strong and free. Have a great day. We'll
- 2:04:10talk to you next time.