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Is Autism Speaks Good? · Aspergers & Autism Podcast [The Aspie World] AuDHD

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You have arrived. Welcome to the Aspy world.
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Here's where we talk about anything and everything ASD in
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an upbeat and informative way. And now here's your man on the
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spectrum, your autism ambassador, Daniel Morgan Jones.
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Yo guys, what's going on? Welcome back to the Aspy World
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podcast, your daily dose of awesome on the autism
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inspection. What is going on?
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It's really cool actually to be back doing podcasts every single
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day. I have a good guest on today and
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actually funny enough, me and this guest, we were supposed to
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have this podcast, I think about two or three times before, but
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you know, things happen, life gets in the way.
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Anyway, this is Alarisa minor on minor.
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I'm hopefully I'm pronouncing this correctly.
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How? How do I pronounce it Luisa?
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It's Larissa Minner. Minner OK, cool.
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And you know, you're the second person in the world I've ever
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met called Larissa. I met one of the girl called
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Larissa once and I was in Florida in when was like
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Melbourne, FL And that's I met something called Larissa
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instinct And that's what she was saying.
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Look, Clarissa, I'm an idiot, right?
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Still, without further ado, Larissa, would you like to kind
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of like tell us a bit about who you are and what you do?
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You know, in a, in a short, concise way?
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Oh OK yeah, but short and concise is the tricky part.
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Since I'm autistic. No, I.
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Get it? I get.
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It I get it. Yeah, you've actually talked
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about that before. No I'm Larissa and I'm autistic,
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I'm at UD HD or I have some speech disabilities and I have
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other types of neurodivergences. I'm also an advocate and
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honestly I just started embracing my neuro diversion
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identities a few years ago or feels like it's been a long time
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but I think it's only been a couple years since I really
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started embracing it. But I I do different types of
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advocacy work. Was that concise enough?
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That was very concise. Thank you.
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And I noticed that you're also kind of like you do, you do kind
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of like consulting and you do some training, right?
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Like what? Tell me a bit about that.
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What's that? What's that like?
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OK. So this is probably going to be
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a little controversial because it involves ABA, if that's OK
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with. Of course, yeah.
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Look, let me let me tell you something.
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Can I just say something? This is a statement, OK?
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Look, people have views on things and they're allowed those
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views on things. And, and I also think that
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people have terminology that they want to use, that they can
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use as long as you're not being completely derogative by using
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kind of like the R word or the N word.
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You know, I'm just being just blatant kind of being obvious
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here. Now ABA, a lot of people have
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issues with it. And I also had issues with ABA
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when looking at the, at the archaic ABA where it came from,
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like the, you know, but when Eric Lovas and all the others
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moved forward in, in future and, and thought, well, how do we,
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how do we actually have behavioral therapy without
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negative impact on the child or the person?
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There is a, there is an ability to have ABA that does not cost
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harm to the person. So it's fine.
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Please proceed. Awesome.
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Thank you. I'm actually conscious.
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They've actually had people say they wouldn't collaborate with
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me if I talked about ABA because.
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You idiots. No, actually I I had, it wasn't
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called ABA, but I was in something that was clearly
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looking back ABA as a when I was a child.
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I just wasn't identified as autism.
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But I actually did do ABA applied behavioral analysis as
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an adult and I haven't met that many other adults that actually
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did that, and I've never done it either.
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No. Yeah.
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And I actually, the interesting thing is I believe it was an
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autistic burnout when I started it and I didn't understand that.
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And I actually embraced my autistic unity during me, it
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ended up getting out of autistic burnout.
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And the reason why I bring that up is the training that I've
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been doing part, I do a lot of different training, but some of
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the training that I've been starting to do in the last year
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is for BCBAS or ABA therapist on how to prevent autistic burnout
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in their high end and how to teach self advocacy skills.
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And I, I'm really trying to suggests that they start
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teaching or educating the parents and anyone involved as
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well as artistic individual themselves at an age appropriate
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level on autistic burnout. And we're talking about like how
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to focus on things that affect quality of life instead of
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trying to change, you know, neurodiversion traits.
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But there are like real pieces for using ABA because there's,
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you know, sometimes it can be certain behaviours can be life
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threatening and there is there can be quality of life
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challenges. Like, yeah.
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And, and I don't know if you want me to get into any other
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training, but I also trained organizations on business
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inclusiveness. Like I've talked to PayPal and
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some other organizations I've also been talking about, like
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healthcare and education. I've been trying to tackle like
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all the different systems, not all of them, I'm exaggerating,
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but it's they're just, they're so interconnected.
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Yeah, that's what I've been busy.
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Dude, And I love that, you know, like the so that kind of work is
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so important because nobody's doing it like like you have so
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many organizations who know very little about, you know,
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divergency and having, you know, having what is it like in
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America is 1 in 30 or one in 34 people are, are diagnosed with
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autism in in America, right, the United States of America.
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That means that like you're going to have an autistic person
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in pretty much every organization that exists.
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And if you're not, you know, if you're not up to speed with how
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do you accommodate an autistic person?
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It's kind of like having a person with a wheelchair, a
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wheelchair user in your in your establishment and you don't have
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a ramp. It's kind of like, what is it
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going to take the stairs? Like come on.
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And, and that is so important. I'm, I'm, I'm so with you on
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that because it's accessibility, right?
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And it's allowing the accessibility of work globally,
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there's about 80% of the OCD community and out of work,
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right? That's huge.
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So what you're doing is, is, is, is getting that deficit down?
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Because I had briefed the the EU Parliament back in 2020 on this
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exact thing and they were so shocked to learn about it.
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I thought, Oh my goodness, like, how do you not know the
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statistics? You guys are a government body.
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Like, you know what I mean? Like it's crazy.
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Yeah, and it, it is pretty, I'm not going to lie, it sometimes
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it does feel like bleak, but I know change is happening.
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But honestly, like dealing with myself, it's not like I have
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full employment. It's very, I have part time
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employment and then I deal with the consulting and speaking and
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I, I hear this like all the time from people, even people that
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have like 3 master degrees and they're underemployed and doing
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work that's not in their expertise.
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Yeah. It's absolutely bonkers, isn't?
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It it is an oh I wanted to quickly add X.
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This is how my nerd works for the ABA.
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I've also worked most organizations on talking to like
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other autistic individuals, especially like non speaking
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autistic individuals. I just want to mention that
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because since they work often with non speakers, I think
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that's important. I've done some collaborations,
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I'm just been slow to post those conversations with non speakers.
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But that's something else I'm passionate about, is making sure
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that people from different backgrounds and different
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support needs are being included and compensated for their work.
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That's something I've I've been avocating like really a lot for.
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That it's so it's so needed. I did a video, I don't know if
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you I don't know if you've followed my my YouTube channel
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and stuff, but I did a video, yes, talking about how the love
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on the spectrum cast were not paid appropriately, right?
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Because they weren't paid at all because they said it's not
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reality TV, it's a documentary when it definitely is reality
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TV. And I'd talk about my own
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experience with reality TV and how little they respect autistic
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individuals, right. So you're absolutely right, you
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know, and, and you being a per that, I think it's interesting
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you being a person who's, who's saying, Hey, get this right and
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give the respect and the actual monetization that's that's, you
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know, owed to these people or, or, or compensate them in a way
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where they, where they deserve to be compensated.
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That's really interesting because nobody's sticking up to
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that. I found somebody emailed me
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after that video went out with a couple of organisations that
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were like, like trying to make sure that the equity value of a
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person on television is equal to the price that they got paid or
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something like which is really interesting.
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But that is a thing. And and do you find this a lot
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where it's just people are kind of like just used and never
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valued in monetization? OK, I yeah, actually I'm sure I
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have a feeling you've encountered that a lot.
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I I feel like that happens a lot.
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And without getting too late to inch detail, I've been like a
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voluntary consultant for places where it was probably, you know,
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looking back, it was work that was actual work work and not
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typical volunteer work. I'm not trying to complain, but
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like now I now I understand more about my rights, I guess is
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really better because I see this as a civil right issue.
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Yeah, valuing I, I didn't value myself that much, I think was
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part of it. And that's common with autistic
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individuals because of how we're treated.
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And it's like, like imposter syndrome comes into it, right?
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Yes. So that's been a big challenge
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for me. Have have you like experienced
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that or a? 100% dude, You know for me,
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imposter syndrome is crazy, right?
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So I've got, I've got this book out here, Autism for Adults.
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I don't know if you've come across it, right, but it came
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out a couple months ago and he got like #1 in Canada, USA and
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the UK within like, I don't know, 12 hours of coming out,
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right? And I was like, well, cool.
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And I got all these people saying like, oh, well then you
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know, I'm not carrying that out to the book.
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And I guess some poster syndrome, like, it's not, it's
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not a big deal, right? I need to do something more to
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prove to myself that like, I'm worthy or I, I kind of, I'm
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sitting here on a panel, right? This happens quite a lot,
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sitting on a panel ready to talk in front of like a big audience.
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And I'm like, Oh my God, I'm like, do they, I'm, I'm not
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qualified for this. Like I, I don't know, you know,
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you know, I have a degree in chemistry and stuff like that.
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And I can talk about like very intellectual, kind of like
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analytical data pieces, especially with autism because
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of my line of work. But then I also think I know
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nothing, you know what I mean? And I and you get on a poster
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syndrome like I'm do they really know who they've hired?
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Yeah, I oh, go on. No.
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I was going to say the, the work that you do and the, the, the
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advocacy that you do is so important.
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Not enough of people do it. And I think that you, the way
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you're talking about it, right, and your knowledge on it and
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your expertise in it, I can't believe that you're not doing it
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full time like you should. Yeah, you should be doing this
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full time. Like, I can't believe that it's
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not your full gig. Yeah, and part of it is like
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getting out there because, again, sick burnout, that's
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something that I'm passionate about.
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But I, I'm more aware because I'm in a high stress time in my
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life right now, but I, I am trying to like, I'm passionate
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about this work. So it's something that I'm
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trying to do more of. But often I'm getting like
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unpaid offers and I have very mixed feelings about that
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because on one hand, I need to like, I feel like it's important
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to you educate about the other. My time and effort and expertise
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is also valuable. So but it's like a mixed filling
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because it's almost like if I'm not creating content I'm not
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getting notice but. Or or Yeah, wait one SEC.
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Yeah. So no, Yeah, you're absolutely
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right. You know, I'm do you know what's
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interesting? I'm going to hook you up with a
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company called a speaker with AK and a speaker.
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They have like a they're, they're really good.
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They're like an omnipresent kind of global platform for autistic
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individuals. And they work with it like, like
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the guy, you know, the voice of SpongeBob in, in like South
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America. And they work with a guy who
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invented like Ninja Turtles and stuff.
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Well, the interesting thing is they have a section on a website
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where you can host your offerings or consultancy,
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whatever, and they'll help promote that.
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So maybe we can do that for you and help get you out a bit more
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in front of more people, right? Because your service is really
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valued. I really, really appreciate
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that. Thank you.
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Cool. OK, so tell me, how have you
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found? I got a few questions, but how
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have you found online, the online community?
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How have you found it? Negative, middle of the road or
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positive? Wow.
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OK, this it's mixed, to be honest.
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It, it depends on the, IT depends on the online community
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because I've noticed people are more bold when they private
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message me. So when I when I was making
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content and I'm going to go back eventually to make YouTube
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content. But when I was making YouTube
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content, some of the private messages I got on other
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platforms about it were were basically not nice comments
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about my artistic traits, like my speech to my mannerisms and
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stuff I can't change like calling me monotone and robotic
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and like I'm I'm it was they were I won't they were warming
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than that. But like I I'd heard other
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people talk about similar to where their videos are nitpicked
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for their mannerisms. Yeah, that's not good.
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By the way, fine. You, you, you don't sound
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robotic to me. You sound fine.
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So yeah, people are just idiots. Yeah, well, I did like character
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wastes, so one of it was actually the character, but
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well. Like it?
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Like impressions? Yeah, well, I created a whole
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fantasy world with autistic characters to teach about autism
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and I I did like a super villain CEO.
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That's stern diversion and I've had this whole universe.
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I want to go back to that. But it was very work intensive.
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I didn't mean to get on that topic, but it was like it was
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it's own thing that happened to me.
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Multiple interests. I love that.
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I love that dude. OK, here's a question for you
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and you're an interesting person to ask this question.
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What do you think about the term Asperger's Syndrome?
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OK, so I keep saying this. I have mixed feelings because of
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the history now that we're more aware.
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But did you see my deep dive into the paper?
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I don't think I saw your DJ, but I did see where you were talking
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about. It was, I forgot who you were
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talking about, but it was a conversation you were having
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about how you're one of the few that were keeping name and how
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like that was how like, I know that wasn't the only reason why
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you're keeping the name, but it was also you're talking about
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your brand too. Yeah, I kind of remember what?
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Yeah, it was a podcast episode. Right.
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Yeah, it was a podcast episode. You're talking to another man
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but I don't remember. Like I followed his content too
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but I'm cannot remember his name.
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Was it Orion Kelly? Yes, yes, yeah, yes, that was
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the one. Yeah.
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So yeah, I did Well, so sorry, I'll let you answer the
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question. Sorry, I don't.
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And if everyone listening and watching, I'm not trying to
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adjust. I'm just trying to keep like the
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flow to make sure I'm staying on topic.
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I did it. I did a deep dive into there was
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a paper released in 2018, right, about the kind of like
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atrocities that that hand Asperger had committed, right?
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And I'm doing this because these like kind of like inverted kind
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of things because I didn't, I didn't know much about it, but
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everyone was like, that's why they stopped using the term
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Asperger, which is not why they stopped using it.
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They stopped using it. So like because they could
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actually just encompass all of it into ASD so people could have
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access to support, right? So then I was like, why's this
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all this hatred? So I read the paper, I went
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through it and analyzed the entire journal.
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It's huge. And it's about 2726 minute long
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video of me analysing this journal and pulling out the
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pieces that I'm talking about. And there is a conclusion there
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that you can draw if you want to, to say that maybe
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Ansasberger could have had personal, you know, negative
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connotation or personal affinity for Nazis.
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And it's very, and that's clutching at straws, right?
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It's very clutching at straws. But if you read the paper, if
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you watch a video where I pull out the pieces, what it actually
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highlights is Ansas Berger was a person who was trying to protect
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autistic kids from being deported to concentration camps.
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He was arrested by the Gestapo. He was an outright opposition to
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the Gestapo as Nazi. You know, occupation of Vienna
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became more prevalent and they took over the hospital he worked
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at. He had less power over the
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things he did. You know, it was hard.
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It was hard. It was hard to live and work in
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those types. So that that's that's the basis.
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But yes, tell me, tell me what your thoughts and feelings are
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at this moment like. OK, And I feel like, I know, I
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know there are people that will disagree with me on this, but I
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personally feel like it's personal preference.
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I, I do feel, I personally feel uncomfortable when it's used in
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a way to say that because I have seen some people use it in a way
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to like say that they're almost better than those that need more
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support. And I do have mixed feelings
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about that. But then there, there are sort
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of people who say that they feel like it, they're doing that to
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not minimize other people's needs.
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But it depends on, I don't know, I, I, I personally feel like
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language should be up to the person, individual person.
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I don't like to please language unless it's purposely trying to
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harm someone or a group of people.
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Exactly as interesting what you said that you said that you
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know, people, people use it in a derogative way where they say
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like, I'm Asperger's and you're classic autism.
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So you're lower intellectually than me, right.
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That's horrible. That's nothing to do with
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labeling. That's to do with you being an
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asshole. Whether you you have Asperger's
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syndrome diagnosis on that. If you're an asshole, you're an
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asshole. So I, I think it's AI think it's
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a, it's a broad statement and definition of character
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labeling. If you say you can't use some
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Aspergers because it causes aspy supremacy, right?
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It's just this term that you're, you're kind of kind of talking
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about where someone says, Hey, I have Asperger's, I'm a genius.
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You all you guys are idiots because you're not not
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Aspergers, right? That's nothing to do with
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Aspergers. That's to do with you as a
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person being a total asshole. So I'd love to just kind of put
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that out there. People need to just really just
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calm down and realize that read the Asperger paper properly.
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Watch my video on it and I'm not look and I don't even use the
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term Asperger's that much like as in I don't say, oh, I'm
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diagnosed with Aspergers because I had a reassessment undiagnosed
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ASD level 2. So I just say I have autism or
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two, right. I don't actually say, oh, I have
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Asperger's because that's not what my updated diagnosis says.
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But I will advocate for people who want to say that they they
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identify with the term Asperger's because hey, at the
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end of the day, I know somebody who wants to identify as they
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them and them. And if I accept them for being
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them or they, then I'll accept zoning from being Asperger's
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syndrome because that's who we are.
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We are allowing people to be themselves.
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And that's important, isn't it? Yes, that's somewhere.
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And that actually, while back you in this conversation, you
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asked me about the online community.
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And that's actually one of the challenges I've encountered is
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people wanting to, what I call it policing, but like wanting
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to, like, control what other people say when it's stuff
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that's opinions and they're personal, like a personal
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identification. Yeah.
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It's almost like correcting someone's pronouns.
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And that's so personal. Yeah, it's so to you, isn't it?
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Like you can be who you want, you know?
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I mean, that's the beauty of the world, isn't it?
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Yeah, yeah, I totally agree. And that's like something I've
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talked about to you is that I, I want the community to be more
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inviting and I and not trying to like nitpick on the community.
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It's just, it's something that sometimes I've heard people say
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that they're new to being identified as autistic and they
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don't always feel like they can reach out to people because
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they're afraid of being of saying something wrong and
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misstepping. And I feel like we should be
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creating an environment where people feel accepted and OK to
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make, like it's OK to make mistakes. 100% did I, you know,
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I did you see the my team released a statement on we did
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it. We would, we do these quote
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cards, right? And what happens is my team has
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a tool that takes a statement that I've made from a video in
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Word format and puts the text on an image of me.
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And that's a random selection. And then that goes out onto my
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socials. So as a picture of me smiling, I
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guess. And I said, you know, the, the
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survival rate and age or the average age of deceasedness of
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autistic individuals is this and this.
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And so people picked up a massive stink and people went
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nuts on my, I don't know if you saw it on my Instagram and they
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would go in help a lot. And I just said, guys, look, it
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was a mistake. Like it was just an autumn.
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We used a bit of AI to generate some kind of content to make
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sure that we didn't drop in, you know, providing value for you
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guys. But also, I made a mistake and
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I'm human, right? So like, just chill out.
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Like we can make mistakes. That's fine, as long as we learn
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and rectify for them. You know what I mean?
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Like, it's crazy because if we don't, like you said, what do we
22:00
do? We're teaching an entire
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generation of people that you can't make a mistake.
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You have to be bang on all the time.
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And if you do make a mistake, you'd be shunned forever for it,
22:07
which is not right. This is bullshit, right?
22:10
It's not right. And I actually think that makes
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like perfectionism and anxiety worse.
22:20
And it also cat it's just it's not the message that I think we
22:24
should be sending out to people because like you said, it's fine
22:28
to make mistakes. So we are human.
22:32
And it's also I you brought up AI.
22:34
I've also heard people get like shamed for using AI and I feel
22:39
like there's no shame in using tools at all.
22:45
Yeah, I think, yeah, because the the whole AI thing, I wasn't
22:48
even using AI to generate the content.
22:50
I was having AI helping me as a tool to take this and put it on
22:54
that so I can put it out. You see, you know what I mean?
22:56
Like a picture of me. Well, AI generated a picture.
22:58
It was an actual picture of me. It was an actual quote that I'd
23:00
said that I just wanted it. I just wanted it to because if
23:04
somebody has to copy and paste, put it in to come and do all
23:05
that thing. But I used AI tools that we
23:07
created in our house to do this. It just need to fine tuning,
23:10
right? There's nothing wrong with AI.
23:11
I mean, you could use AI to make your content as long as you're
23:13
helping people, but who cares? But yeah, we shouldn't be like
23:16
you're saying making an accepted community is where we should be
23:19
aiming. We shouldn't be making
23:21
segregations. Like, you can't say Aspergers,
23:23
you know, and authors and mums are horrible.
23:25
It's like, Oh my God. Like honestly, that kind of
23:27
rhetoric is going to segregate and factioners off so much that
23:30
we're going to become a dysregulated mess.
23:34
Yes. And the, the other thing they
23:38
wanted to put the ring up that's on topic is I also feel like
23:42
it's alienating parents. And I, I know there's a lot of
23:46
autistic parents too, of autistic kids, but also I was
23:49
thinking of more like the neuronormative or neurotypical
23:54
parents of sick children. And I feel like there's, I've
24:00
talked to like parents and they're not sure like how to
24:02
interact with the community. And I feel like there's a lot of
24:05
civil rights issues where if we could collaborate more with of
24:09
parents, I feel like we can make more process and policies.
24:14
I have like a lot of opinions on policies that need to happen, at
24:17
least in the US. Yeah.
24:18
Oh, yeah. Well, dude, it's it's a it's a
24:19
global thing, dude. Asia's even worse.
24:23
Like Asia culture doesn't even doesn't even think that autism
24:25
to think like, I know we're going to move from Japan to
24:27
Washington to give his son access to support, right?
24:29
It's crazy. OK, here's here's my last
24:32
question. Right.
24:33
And this is good. This is a juicy question.
24:36
Buckle up. What do you think about Autism
24:39
Speaks? Well, he's honest and open.
24:44
I'm, I'm, look, I'm not, I'm not judgmental here.
24:47
I'm just asking a question. So they clearly made some
24:51
mistakes in the past of some of the campaigns and the videos and
24:57
and also where the funding went. I I feel I would like to think
25:01
they're trying, but I honestly don't know like enough.
25:05
I don't have like an insider perspective, so I don't know.
25:08
Yeah, yeah, I don't know. Did I answer your question?
25:15
That was perfect and I agree with you.
25:17
I don't know, I mean, like I have seen some silly things that
25:22
they put out. I've seen some of their shady
25:24
history, but every charity has shady history because you're
25:27
going back to like the 1950s, nineteen 60s where everything
25:30
was shady, right? Men could slap their wives,
25:32
paedophilia was rife. You know, women have no rights.
25:35
Gay people weren't persecuted for being gay.
25:36
It's like, come on, everything's another shady history.
25:39
If we judge everything on this history, let's all give up now,
25:42
right? You know what I mean?
25:44
So if we look at it as a organization, yes, they've made
25:48
some ridiculous videos and campaigns because they were
25:51
probably misled. On the other hand, two things
25:54
come to mind. First of all is they're highly
25:56
funded and they have some really fascinating research programs
26:00
that they've actually funded. And those programs are actually
26:02
really valuable. They're not into eugenics.
26:05
Those programs, you know, there's a lot of problems that
26:06
are just literal good neuroscience programmes.
26:10
And I think there's, there's really good information there.
26:12
And we should thank them for funding those programmes because
26:14
we should thank people for the good work that they do, right?
26:16
If we're going to be vocal about everything bad they do, we
26:18
should be vocal about everything good they do.
26:20
The other thing is everyone in the autism community that I meet
26:24
typically, not you, but most people they meet head on,
26:30
they'll say autism speech is an evil, the gyroscope constant and
26:33
it needs to be exploded and we're going to RIP it apart.
26:35
It's a horrible evil empire. I'm like, OK, good luck doing
26:39
that because you, you and you have about $6 in your account
26:42
and they're a multi $1,000,000 agency.
26:45
How do you combat a multi $1,000,000 agency?
26:47
Because you be the change you wish to see in the world, right?
26:50
Or you don't. You don't just go and attack a
26:52
company. They'll, they will just squash
26:54
you. How do we do it?
26:55
You open dialogue, you talk to them, you create consultancy
26:58
groups, you create clinics where you talk to them and you have
27:01
open dialogue. That is how you create Autism
27:04
Speaks for the betterment of the community rather than just shut
27:08
it because all the time they're calling them like possible piece
27:11
of national horrible company. Nothing's going to change.
27:13
They're going to meet you with resistance.
27:16
We need to be open. We need to be able to
27:18
communication and we need to find some common ground to open
27:22
communication Comm lines. And once you have those cables
27:24
set, everything else will just flow.
27:27
And that's, that's what I'm going to do.
27:28
I, I, I really feel like we need to sit down and have a talk on
27:31
it because like, they've done some stupid shit, but can they
27:34
change from that? I don't know, let's try it.
27:36
Why not? Because that money, the, the
27:38
funding that they get can and has been used for great things
27:41
and we can do great things. It's like, you know, they fund
27:43
schools like iPads to kids. They have accessibility, right?
27:46
It's a great thing to do. So there are some really good
27:49
things that we can do. And I was just interested
27:51
because I, I, and, you know, I don't know an awful lot about
27:53
the money, see some research, but I have, the things I have
27:56
seen are mixed. So.
27:58
Yeah. And just real quick, like
28:01
actually when I was in ABA, there was a lack of assessments
28:06
for adults, like functional assessments.
28:08
And the one that they had to use for me to see how I went where I
28:11
need support was actually from Autism Speaks, as they were one
28:15
of the few that had like that free resource out there.
28:19
And I mean, my, my AB therapist didn't have access to those type
28:25
of assessments for adults or the ones that were able were not,
28:30
we're not, you know, comprehensive enough.
28:34
That's so interesting, isn't it? Because like, look at that, you
28:37
know, they benefited you in your, in your life, yet
28:41
everybody in the community wants to tell you how bad they are.
28:43
Nobody wants to do well, good things to do.
28:45
So excuse me, I, I, it's a really interesting, fascinating
28:48
topic. And I think that we need to be
28:49
logical and we need to come with a compassionate mind of saying,
28:53
how can we better the condition of this environment between
28:58
autonomous speaks in the community, not how can we just
29:00
say the worst people in the world and don't like to have
29:03
blue and you know, all this kind of stuff, right?
29:07
So I think, yeah, I think there's there's a lot there
29:09
because people get busier. And I'm I'm the other thing.
29:11
I stand up for the little guy. Somebody wants to say Asperger's
29:13
syndrome. Somebody wants to like, if
29:14
there's a mum group in Seattle who says, look, we're doing an
29:18
autism speech charity Red. And the money we earn from it
29:20
with an autism speech group is going to pay for the kids to go
29:22
on a little vacation right in the summer.
29:24
And these kids are non verbal kids.
29:26
Great, there's nothing wrong with that.
29:28
But you have people in the community telling you that it's
29:30
wrong and you shouldn't be doing it, which is bullshit.
29:33
Yeah, I, I, I agree with you on that.
29:38
It's kind of an interesting topic.
29:39
Sorry. Character, you say?
29:41
And the other thing is that if obviously people are afraid to
29:46
collaborate with Alphism Speaks, and rightfully so, because those
29:49
people are afraid that they will be shut out from the community
29:53
if they do help collaborate. And I find that very problematic
29:56
because we need to create. Yeah.
29:59
Because how do we change something if we're not?
30:02
If autistic people may not be feeling comfortable
30:06
collaborating with autism seeks because they might nation by the
30:09
rest of the autistic community. To me that is a problem itself
30:13
huge. Problem, dude, we should not be
30:15
doing that. We should be encouraging
30:17
positive dialogue and open diplomacy between cables, right?
30:23
Us. And then we we need to be
30:25
promoting positive dialogue. You're a very logical person.
30:29
And I'm glad we've kind of hooked up actually, because it's
30:31
really, really good. And I think, you know, hey,
30:34
maybe you could be a person to help pioneer that, who knows?
30:38
And I think that would be some good that's kind of in your line
30:40
of work, right? It's kind of like talking to
30:44
companies and opening them up to different suggestions.
30:46
And maybe we could do that with Autism Speaks, who knows?
30:49
OK, so how do people, Larissa, how do people get in touch with
30:52
you? How do people contact you?
30:53
How do people find you online? What's what's the what's the
30:55
411? So I have a website
30:59
larissaminner.com and Oh yes. Is that linked to all your
31:06
socials as well? I should look into that.
31:10
I have a link tree but I don't have link tree memorize.
31:15
I can I can give you that if you don't worry, if you would like.
31:18
I can embed it into the video on the show notes.
31:20
So that's that's fine. If you want to, if anybody's
31:21
watching this and listening like just go to the show notes, all
31:23
the description of the video and you'll see Larissa's links.
31:26
But I'll try and embed it onto the video as well.
31:27
So, Larissa meta.com, right? Yes, and I'm OK with people
31:33
emailing me at larissa@larissamina.com,
31:38
especially if it's like professional opportunities.
31:41
And I'm also on LinkedIn. You can search for me at Larissa
31:45
Miner on LinkedIn too. So.
31:48
So no, nobody asked Larissa on a date via e-mail.
31:51
OK, yes. But what's happened on the turn?
31:56
No. No, seriously, it's it's like so
31:59
inappropriate. People are people are nuts.
32:01
Like how why, why would you do that?
32:03
Like anyway, right. Well, Larissa look has been
32:04
fantastic. Thank you so much for being here
32:06
today. I think it's been a fascinating,
32:08
eye opening and exhilarating conversation.
32:11
I think we've covered a lot of good points, so thank you so
32:13
much. Thank you for having me.
32:16
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