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The Horrors That Lurk In Hospitals · Tales from Incredible Tales

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  Speaker 1: And then, uh, 00 sorry, you are here. uh, let me,
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  Speaker 1: I want to take some of the DC's item. When
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  Speaker 1: she was shocked when she heard that, right, she was shocked.
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  Speaker 1: Then when she turned around, right, her friend isn't there anymore.
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  Speaker 1: So actually her friend is dead. Her friend is at
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  Speaker 1: the morgue or the mortuary below. Oh my God.
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  Speaker 1: My name is Pha.
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  Speaker 2: My
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  Speaker 2: name is Wayne.
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  Speaker 1: My name is Kyle, and this is Tales from Incredible Tales,
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  Speaker 1: where we explore different aspects of Southeast Asia's supernatural culture
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  Speaker 1: from supposedly haunted locations to creatures and spirits. Sickness and
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  Speaker 1: death sounds like an obvious precursor for truly incredible tales.
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  Speaker 1: We look at the horrors that plague hospitals across the region.
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  Speaker 1: This episode's topic is inspired by the original Incredible Tales episode, Nurse.
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  Speaker 2: Now look, more Singaporeans know about Old Changi Hospital already,
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  Speaker 2: so we figured that for this episode, what we're going
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  Speaker 2: to do is we're gonna travel beyond our shores and
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  Speaker 2: look at other supposedly haunted hospitals all across Asia, and
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  Speaker 2: we are going to start in the Philippines. The Clark
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  Speaker 2: Air Base Hospital located in the Clark Freeport zone was
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  Speaker 2: the site of many deaths during World War 2 and
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  Speaker 2: the Vietnam War.
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  Speaker 2: An article detailed how immediately after Mount Pinatubo's first eruption
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  Speaker 2: in 1991, only around 2500 people remained to ensure security
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  Speaker 2: and keep up basic services. After America officially abandoned the
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  Speaker 2: hospital and the airbase later that year, it's neglected infrastructure provided,
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  Speaker 2: according to another article, quote, some unusual acoustics which added
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  Speaker 2: to the darkness of the inner rooms.
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  Speaker 2: Can easily lead one to think of supernatural phenomena, end quote.
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  Speaker 2: Ghost Hunters International called the hospital one of the most
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  Speaker 2: haunted places in the world. People who have explored the
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  Speaker 2: grounds claim to have heard eerie sounds like mysterious whispers
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  Speaker 2: and footsteps and tortured cries. Some have even supposedly seen
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  Speaker 2: the ghosts of soldiers and nurses. The hospital's reputation grew
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  Speaker 2: to the point where in 2013,
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  Speaker 2: National Geographic Channel series, I wouldn't go in there, explore
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  Speaker 2: its history and the supernatural stories around it. In 2023,
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  Speaker 2: it was announced that the hospital would find a new
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  Speaker 2: life as a museum that would showcase the region's arts, culture,
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  Speaker 2: natural history, anthropology, and archaeology. I will say before we
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  Speaker 2: even start talking about Clark, I know that Kyle.
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  Speaker 2: Love this episode because you hate hospitals, right? Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I, I really don't like hospitals. I think hospitals, they
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  Speaker 1: are like the corridor between life and death. If you
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  Speaker 1: think about it, right, you start your life there, you
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  Speaker 1: end your life there, right?
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  Speaker 2: I mean, in all fairness, I don't think anybody, very
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  Speaker 2: rarely are you going to find somebody in a hospital
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  Speaker 2: who's like actually like happy, happy to be there.
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  Speaker 1: the nurses and doctors also are
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  Speaker 1: like
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  Speaker 2: yeah for them I mean that that one has got
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  Speaker 2: to be like stressed all the time and then even
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  Speaker 2: as patients so like even if you're there for for
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  Speaker 2: a benign procedure, you're always going to be slightly stressed
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  Speaker 2: or
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  Speaker 1: when you go there you just don't have a good
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  Speaker 1: vibe lah. I don't know. Maybe it's maybe it's me,
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  Speaker 1: but it's true, you know, actually I was about to
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  Speaker 1: say whenever you go to a hospital, right, you don't feel,
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  Speaker 1: I wouldn't say you don't feel happy obviously you won't,
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  Speaker 1: you won't feel happy, but it's like a negative aura
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  Speaker 1: kind of thing, right.
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  Speaker 1: Going back to the Clark Air Base Hospital, why la?
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  Speaker 1: Why make it into a museum? Why? Why can't we
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  Speaker 1: just leave it as it is? Like I, I feel
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  Speaker 1: like museums also another place that very creepy, can be
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  Speaker 1: like haunted because you just old objects, people die, you know,
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  Speaker 1: they just put it out there like something that's like
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  Speaker 1: an artifact, they just put it out there and then
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  Speaker 1: just to see. But now you're turning into a hospital,
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  Speaker 1: a hospital into a place where you will showcase all
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  Speaker 1: these kind of things.
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  Speaker 1: Double, double the trouble. I mean it's true yeah yeah
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  Speaker 1: yeah
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  Speaker 2: yeah, I mean, OK.
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  Speaker 2: Would you say that someplace like this, OK, someplace that's
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  Speaker 2: got this much energy, we're talking like 2, at least
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  Speaker 2: 2 wars, OK, and lots of people died. Do you
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  Speaker 2: think they should ever
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  Speaker 2: Build anything over this place. Don't, don't even say a museum, OK, like,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, if you ask me, right, uh, for, for
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  Speaker 1: a country that that's big, right, I don't think you should, uh,
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  Speaker 1: I mean you've got your land is not scarce, right? Singapore, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I mean we don't have a choice in Singapore, but
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  Speaker 1: if your country is that big, maybe just leave it
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  Speaker 1: as CDs, right, unless it's like wow.
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  Speaker 1: You know, right in the middle of your city kind
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  Speaker 1: of thing, then, then sure, maybe, but this one I
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  Speaker 1: think you can just let it go lah. But even
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  Speaker 1: if if it's in the middle of the city, right,
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  Speaker 1: would you like demolish it and then turn it, like,
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  Speaker 1: you know, build a house there like an apartment there? Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: you know, you realize that when they tear down these
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  Speaker 1: kind of buildings, right, they don't immediately build one. They
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  Speaker 1: tear down you wait like maybe a 5 to 10
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  Speaker 1: years because they want people to forget like this used
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  Speaker 1: to be here and I
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  Speaker 2: mean.
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  Speaker 1: The logical answer is the engineers say, oh, the soil
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  Speaker 1: must settle.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, logical. Maybe there's also another reason where like, oh,
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  Speaker 1: maybe wait for people to forget, wait for the energy
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  Speaker 1: to dissipate. And we go and bless it, then we
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  Speaker 1: build
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  Speaker 2: again. I mean, you tell me energy disappeared. OK, that
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  Speaker 2: one fine, fair enough. I, I get that. You want
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  Speaker 2: people to forget this place has been around since like
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  Speaker 2: before World War II. Who's going to forget a place
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  Speaker 2: like this, like a place that's legendary at this point
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  Speaker 2: in time for if, if not ghost at least war.
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  Speaker 2: Then after that you gonna build a museum of what
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  Speaker 2: the areas are more so, you know.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know, man.
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  Speaker 1: I think over time people will tend to forget, la. Hey, where, where,
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  Speaker 1: where was the hospital la? I can't remember, you know
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  Speaker 1: what I
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  Speaker 2: mean,
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  Speaker 1: actually,
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  Speaker 2: you know what, you, you do have a point considering,
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  Speaker 2: considering the fact that so we've had so many legends
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  Speaker 2: and like myths. Don't, don't say it in the Philippines,
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  Speaker 2: like just generally across Asia that have been lost because
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  Speaker 2: people stop talking about them.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah la, I mean we are talking about them, so.
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  Speaker 1: I guess we're anti that kind of agenda. So we
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  Speaker 1: talk about all the goals and stuff, all the history
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  Speaker 1: and stuff. We,
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  Speaker 2: we're
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  Speaker 2: keeping things under.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: we're
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  Speaker 1: keeping things under life,
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  Speaker 2: yeah, and I've actually seen the, the National Geographic show.
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  Speaker 2: I wouldn't, I, what was it called? I would not
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  Speaker 2: go in there. I actually saw bits of it before
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  Speaker 2: and even before the place was demolished, right, there was
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  Speaker 2: like a security guard talking about how he saw.
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  Speaker 2: And he was like, uh, I can't remember which part
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  Speaker 2: of the base he was stationed in, but he was
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  Speaker 2: talking about like how he saw, uh, certain officers wearing
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  Speaker 2: uniforms that might have been from a different era walking
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  Speaker 2: around on there, and he didn't think anything of it.
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  Speaker 2: He just like, um, tried to talk to the officer.
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  Speaker 2: Apparently the officer talked to him as well, but then
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  Speaker 2: everybody found out like, no, that's that's not.
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  Speaker 2: That there's no such officer down here. Why is he
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  Speaker 2: wearing an older uniform? What's going on?
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  Speaker 1: What's the conversation like? Like how are you?
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  Speaker 2: OK, so, so quite dead. Then the security I probably thought, oh,
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  Speaker 2: he meant maybe, maybe he meant dead tired. How,
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  Speaker 1: how's the coffee in the canteen? Still
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  Speaker 2: bad, bad,
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  Speaker 2: bad,
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  Speaker 1: too bad,
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  Speaker 2: yeah, I tell you it's, it's, I tell you, since,
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  Speaker 2: since the 1940s that never changed. I'm sorry,
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  Speaker 1: since
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  Speaker 2: the
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  Speaker 1: 1940s.
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  Speaker 1: I think speaking of hospital, I have this story, this
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  Speaker 1: this this story was shared by a listener for my show. Uh,
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  Speaker 1: this listener uh has a friend, OK, that got into
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  Speaker 1: they got like I think got sick la basically and
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  Speaker 1: then she admitted into one of the hospitals in Singapore.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not sure where. So.
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  Speaker 1: Um, she didn't know, no, that her friend was sick.
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  Speaker 1: I think it was a good friend and then they
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  Speaker 1: lost contact, you know, because of a dog and stuff
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  Speaker 1: like that. They lost contact, and then one of the days, uh,
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  Speaker 1: her friend's son called her and told her, Hey, my
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  Speaker 1: mom is sick, you know, I think she may, uh,
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  Speaker 1: may don't have long to live, right, basically. And then
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  Speaker 1: she went to visit, she went to visit, so she,
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  Speaker 1: she go like, I don't know which hospital uh this ward,
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  Speaker 1: this bed, right, so she went and then when she
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  Speaker 1: entered the ward, 6 bed ward, right.
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  Speaker 1: Um, so she saw her friend, her friend lying down,
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  Speaker 1: lying down on the bed, then just like looking in
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  Speaker 1: the looking in the ceiling, looking at the ceiling.
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  Speaker 1: And then she, she went over and she went over,
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  Speaker 1: then she sit down beside her. Hey, why, why you
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  Speaker 1: never tell me you're sick? Now you like she did
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  Speaker 1: and now then I know your son called me and
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  Speaker 1: all the way you know she was speaking with her
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  Speaker 1: friend that was, that was sick, right, that was wanted, right,
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  Speaker 1: and her friend just like look up and never, never,
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  Speaker 1: never talked to her, you know. Then she talked, talk, talk, talk, talk, talk, talk, um,
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  Speaker 1: by the way, her, her, her bed, right, is covered
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  Speaker 1: by the curtain, right, curtain.
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  Speaker 1: So as she was talking, the friend still not responding,
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  Speaker 1: you know. So suddenly, she heard, uh, she heard, you know,
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  Speaker 1: the sound of curtain when you open it, she heard
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  Speaker 1: the Then she, when she turned around, she saw like
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  Speaker 1: got one, Indonesian lady, like a domestic helper, like a maid, right, uh, sorry, yeah, I, I,
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  Speaker 1: I translate in English, and then, uh, 00 sorry, you
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  Speaker 1: are here, uh, let me, I want to take some
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  Speaker 1: of the DC's item when she was shocked when she
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  Speaker 1: heard that, right, she was shocked. Then when she turned around, right.
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  Speaker 1: Her friend isn't there anymore. So actually her friend is dead.
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  Speaker 1: Her friend is at the morgue or the mortuary below.
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  Speaker 1: Oh my God. So, uh, so when the sender, which
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  Speaker 1: is
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  Speaker 1: The lady who experienced this sent me that story, right?
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  Speaker 1: She told me that whenever she hear the sound of
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  Speaker 1: curtain moving, right, she got, she's really traumatic, traumatized traumatized.
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  Speaker 2: It almost sounds weirdly touching because it almost sounds like
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  Speaker 2: the friend, the the deceased wanted to give this person
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  Speaker 2: like a last chance to see her to see her.
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  Speaker 2: To say something to her before she moves on or
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  Speaker 2: something and
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  Speaker 1: one more, uh, one more uh detail that I forgot
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  Speaker 1: to mention. So, so the the the Sandy actually touched
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  Speaker 1: her hand, you know, and she touched her friend's and
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  Speaker 1: she said it was cold.
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  Speaker 1: She said it was good, but she, she didn't think
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  Speaker 1: anything about it. She was just looking at she was
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  Speaker 1: just like the the the warded friend is just like
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  Speaker 1: looking up and then maybe look at her, but didn't
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  Speaker 1: didn't say anything.
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  Speaker 1: Not a single thing. What, what, what do you think
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  Speaker 1: it was? Honestly, right, um, it's, I mean, it has
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  Speaker 1: to be gene, right. So you know, whenever they, they, OK,
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  Speaker 1: this gene like to deceive people, right? So they will
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  Speaker 1: take every opportunity there is to, to try and, you know, uh,
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  Speaker 1: mess with, mess with your brain, you know, so.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, so it's not like her friend, her friend
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  Speaker 1: is already gone. You know, I mean, I mean we
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  Speaker 1: believe right, we, we in my religion and in my culture,
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  Speaker 1: we believe that if you are if you have passed away.
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  Speaker 1: Uh, your spirit will no longer be in, in the,
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  Speaker 1: in the realm. It will be on top. So it's
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  Speaker 1: la la, yeah, I would say so. So if you,
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  Speaker 1: let's say if the person is dead, the person has
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  Speaker 1: passed away, and then you see that person, which means
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  Speaker 1: someone that this gene is, you know, taking over the
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  Speaker 1: ship or like shapeshifter, wow, that's creepy, try to.
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  Speaker 2: Someone
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  Speaker 1: can physically touch her.
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  Speaker 1: That's the thing, yeah, that's the scary part. So, so
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  Speaker 1: she's like super traumatized by the sound of and, and
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  Speaker 1: every time she go to the hospital, then she will
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  Speaker 1: be like, Oh my God, I hope I don't see another.
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  Speaker 1: I have no idea. She didn't yeah, it sounds it
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  Speaker 1: sounds scary. In 2019, Clinic Desaga in Hulu Sellango was
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  Speaker 1: shut down.
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  Speaker 1: For about a month. This wasn't for renovations or upgrading.
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  Speaker 1: It was because according to two articles, Spirit had been
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  Speaker 1: disturbing the staff. A translated version of the initial article
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  Speaker 1: from May 2019 reported that a black entity and the
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  Speaker 1: apparition of an old woman had haunted the clinic since 2007.
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  Speaker 1: The second article, when translated, however, says that the black
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  Speaker 1: entity appeared in the form of an old woman.
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  Speaker 1: The meaning might have been lost in translation, but whether
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  Speaker 1: one entity or two, what's consistent in both articles is
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  Speaker 1: that the disturbance made it impossible for nurses to operate
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  Speaker 1: within the clinic itself. Islamic medical practitioners had been called
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  Speaker 1: in to help, but they weren't successful in stopping the disturbance.
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  Speaker 1: The incident went viral with both the temporary closure notice
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  Speaker 1: letter and even a report detailing the chronology of the
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  Speaker 1: events making the rounds on social media.
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  Speaker 1: The second article doesn't say how the issue was eventually resolved,
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  Speaker 1: but other less official sources say that a series of
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  Speaker 1: cleansings were carried out. Even um even the Islamic medical
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  Speaker 1: practitioners can't help it.
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  Speaker 2: That's why I'm like,
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  Speaker 2: I, the thing that makes me the most curious about
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  Speaker 2: this incident was
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  Speaker 2: I know they don't see how it was resolved in
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  Speaker 2: like a lot of people are like all cleansing and everything,
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  Speaker 2: but like what did they have to do, boy, to
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  Speaker 2: get rid of something which is, I'm gonna assume it's
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  Speaker 2: a gin la, clearly a gin that's so powerful enough
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  Speaker 2: that it's like root it almost seems like rooted
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  Speaker 1: in
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  Speaker 2: this
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  Speaker 1: area in Malay, right? It's called Rukia, so you have
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  Speaker 1: to rookia the place, right, um, but again, um.
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  Speaker 1: Rukia, you know, it's not like, you know, one person
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  Speaker 1: can make so much of a difference, you know, if, if,
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  Speaker 1: especially if the entity is very strong, so you may
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  Speaker 1: need like multiple, uh, Islamic practitioners, you know, to carry
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  Speaker 1: out that, that, that cleansing of a place, especially for like, um,
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  Speaker 1: I mean this is a clinic, it's not a hospital,
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  Speaker 1: but I'm not sure how big is the clinic. So
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  Speaker 1: it depends on the it depends on how big the
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  Speaker 1: clinic is also. And
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  Speaker 2: since 2007 or less, so that means that for 12
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  Speaker 2: years this thing has been.
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  Speaker 2: Disturbing them,
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  Speaker 1: bothering them,
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  Speaker 2: yeah, and like the article is also not very clear,
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  Speaker 2: is it like 1 or 2, so if it's like
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  Speaker 2: 2 maybe like.
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  Speaker 1: But then the thing is, uh, so they, they persevered
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  Speaker 1: since 2007 and 2019 they decided like, OK, no more,
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  Speaker 1: no more, no more auntie, you know, nanny, right, no more.
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  Speaker 1: I don't want no more already. I just closed down.
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  Speaker 1: I just built a new one better. It took them
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  Speaker 1: 12
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  Speaker 1: years.
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  Speaker 2: You, you're gonna make me very frightened of it from
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  Speaker 2: now on but it is really scary,
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  Speaker 1: you know.
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  Speaker 1: That sounded wrong.
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  Speaker 2: This, this is gonna start a whole separate debate in
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  Speaker 2: the comments. Who's the scariest,
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  Speaker 1: you know? But honestly, Nabayan, I think in in in
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  Speaker 1: Malay there's there's this entity called Nkbayan. So it's just
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  Speaker 1: like an old nate, right, just walking around like when
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  Speaker 1: do you, have you eaten?
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  Speaker 2: I, I am feeling such conflicting emotions right now. I
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  Speaker 2: was like, OK, that's a creepy voice, but also, yes,
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  Speaker 2: I really thank you,
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  Speaker 1: but really, I think, I think, uh, if I'm not wrong,
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  Speaker 1: correct me if I'm wrong, I listeners, but I think
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  Speaker 1: they are previously like in their life they are usually
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  Speaker 1: like practitioners of like black magic or whatever. Oh,
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  Speaker 2: OK, so the, the theory is that when they, when
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  Speaker 2: they pass on they can their souls cannot move on. They, they.
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  Speaker 2: They become this entity,
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  Speaker 1: la. Yeah, some say that and some say it like
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  Speaker 1: uh they are from the, have you heard of have
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  Speaker 1: you heard of Boonan? Yes, yeah, so some say that
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  Speaker 1: they are this Nene Kebayan is from, uh, the Bonan realm.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, OK, alright, that makes sense.
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  Speaker 1: But talking about the clinic, right, uh, I saw the images.
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  Speaker 1: It looked like it's like in the kampong, very.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, so it's like a kampong, it's not like, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: it's not like, uh, but that's why it's called clinic.
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  Speaker 1: It's not a hospital, so it's like very small kind
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  Speaker 1: of kampong kind of hospital. I can understand why they,
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  Speaker 1: it took them so long to settle the thing maybe.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe, uh, not, not enough resources or like maybe it's
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  Speaker 1: just not many people going lah. It's still like secluded
• 15:45
  Speaker 1: is it yeah it's too secluded. It's sang it's further up.
• 15:48
  Speaker 1: So I, I think it could be the case of
• 15:52
  Speaker 1: like maybe the gene got stronger and stronger or maybe they, they,
• 15:55
  Speaker 1: they build that, that, that, that clinic on top of,
• 15:59
  Speaker 1: you know, a land of, but it can get stronger
• 16:02
  Speaker 1: right over time if you never settle it.
• 16:04
  Speaker 1: This I have no idea. I have no knowledge in this,
• 16:07
  Speaker 1: but I just feel like, yeah, I think, you know, uh,
• 16:10
  Speaker 1: with life gets harder and harder, so it might be
• 16:13
  Speaker 1: the same for them also la. So like maybe because
• 16:15
  Speaker 1: it first started in 2007 and then they finally closed
• 16:18
  Speaker 1: it at 2019 to go and settle it, so it
• 16:20
  Speaker 1: takes about a good 12 years to go in.
• 16:23
  Speaker 1: Build up this thing and then it became that scary
• 16:26
  Speaker 1: to the point like, OK, no, no, we have to
• 16:27
  Speaker 1: stop and then we go in, you know, uh, settle
• 16:30
  Speaker 1: this stuff actually, yeah, I think like if, if, uh,
• 16:33
  Speaker 1: for example, if, if the entity has been living there
• 16:36
  Speaker 1: for 12 years, I think it should get stronger and
• 16:38
  Speaker 1: stronger because no one, no one tried to contest me, right,
• 16:41
  Speaker 1: you know.
• 16:41
  Speaker 1: Maybe, yeah, in the, in the, uh, Chinese side of things, um,
• 16:46
  Speaker 1: they believe that spirits, if you inhabit a place long enough, right,
• 16:50
  Speaker 1: you will slowly take over and then you get stronger,
• 16:52
  Speaker 1: and there are, there are rumors that certain spirits can
• 16:55
  Speaker 1: actually consume other spirits to become even stronger. They become
• 16:58
  Speaker 1: closer and closer to demonic entities. I mean, if humans,
• 17:02
  Speaker 1: there's cannibalism, right, for I think for spirits what
• 17:07
  Speaker 2: basically the spirit that consumes the.
• 17:09
  Speaker 2: It's, I swear it sounds like some distorted version of Pac-Man,
• 17:13
  Speaker 2: but the spirit that consumes the most.
• 17:16
  Speaker 2: Other spirits becomes like almost the boss of that area apparently.
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: So all the others will be afraid of them.
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so this is no longer about humans like the
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: spirit is trying to scare the humans. This is more
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: like I want the throne, they control the other spirits.
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: I want to be the very best and that that
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: is quite common with uh abandoned places or places that
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: are not in use for a long time.
• 17:40
  Speaker 2: The,
• 17:40
  Speaker 2: the two reports, one of them, but one of them
• 17:43
  Speaker 2: says that there were two entities. One was a black
• 17:46
  Speaker 2: ship and one was, was an old woman. Another one
• 17:49
  Speaker 2: says that it's a, it's a black ship in the
• 17:52
  Speaker 2: form of an old woman.
• 17:53
  Speaker 2: So, I mean, if it's a if it's a
• 17:57
  Speaker 2: A spirit or an entity that's consuming other entities down there,
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: then it makes sense that, oh, OK, at one point
• 18:03
  Speaker 2: in time, it seemed like there were two things, but
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: then eventually this dark shape consumed the, the, the old
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: woman entity and then like almost like took her form
• 18:14
  Speaker 2: or something like that.
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: It might be, it might be if you look at
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: Google Maps, it's actually closed already. It's no longer, I mean, the,
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: the building is still there, but nobody is using it
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: and from Google Maps itself when you see it, right.
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: You can tell that nobody's using it. I mean, if
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: it's really secluded, then yeah, I'm pretty sure it's like
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: in the, it's like kind of like a mountain pass road.
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: So you go up all the way from KL Selango,
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: then you go up in the middle of nowhere. So
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: it's just one small road, yeah, then you have to
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: cut through.
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so I can imagine why. Like you say, it
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: could be a few reasons like possibly it could be
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: built on burial grounds or maybe built near grounds that,
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: you know, belong to Orambuyan or other entities that were there,
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: and they are not happy. Usually, you know, when you
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: go through the forest, yeah, you know, I think forested
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: area are usually like, uh, very close with Boonyan for
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: some reason they, they like to live in those locations. Yeah,
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: that makes sense I guess, especially if it's in the
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: forested area like that.
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: Hm.
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: And by the way, on the Google reviews, everyone is
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: giving it 4 or 5 stars and saying that it's
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: the most haunted place in Malaysia. It's haunted, but it's
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: positive reviews. Yeah,
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: that's look at this, there's a certain point where you
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: think to yourself maybe positive reviews aren't helping you, OK,
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: by the way, I mentioned just now, maybe it's, it
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: was built like in a burial ground or like the same.
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but what if actually it's a clinic. So usually
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: it usually in clinic got like mortuary or something, or
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: what if, what if they attend to someone that that
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: someone has sucker or something and then you know the
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: person died in there and then because of that suddenly hunted.
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: Then the, then how did the sucker gene actually get
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: left in that that clinic?
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: Oh, because when you pass away, um, let's say there, there,
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: there should be like a ritual for you to pass
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: it down to your next generation, right? Let's say if
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: the person doesn't have any like offsprings, don't have any
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: like children or what, or maybe the children abandoned him
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: or him or her, then like then the spirit has
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: nowhere to go so the spirits will just roam around
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: the clinic and like, do you want to be my friend?
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: You want to be my new owner something like that.
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: That means that the entity is old, very old, very
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: old because many, many generations, yeah,
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: at least the lifetime's worth,
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: and yeah, I think they are, if you're talking about
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: the spirit la, I think they are the oldest, uh,
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: the oldest spirits, basically they are older than us, lah, definitely. Alright,
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: shifting to Hong Kong, the High Street Community Center is
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: currently home to several charity organizations by its historical facade.
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: hides a darker past. When it was first constructed in 1892,
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: the community center initially served as a psychiatric hospital. The
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: hospital was allegedly used as an execution site during World
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: War II. After the war, the building resumed its services
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: as a hospital until it was closed in 1971 and
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: remained abandoned for more than 20 years.
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: During that time, it not only fell into disrepair, but
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: was the site of two fires. The building naturally earned
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: a reputation for being haunted with rumors from everything from
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: sounds of crying and footsteps of allegedly sightings of men
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: bursting into flames and hateless ghosts. Even till today, more
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: than 20 years after almost every part of it was renovated,
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: locals still call it the high street haunted house.
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: Uh, I've been there. I, I've been there, yeah, I, I,
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: I go to Hong Kong quite often, so I've been there, um,
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: doesn't feel like a haunted place, honestly, in the day, la,
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: in the day even at night we got a lot
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: of lights. Hong Kong is very dense, right? Similar to
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: Singapore is super dense, but Hong Kong is in the
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: city center is much more dense, so you, you.
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: You got buildings beside it and then you got this
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: like haunted building. I felt, I went there, I didn't
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: feel anything creepy. I felt that it was OK.
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: Uh, but that's just me, la,
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: but
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: most of it is renovated. It's like the fully renovated,
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: so even the because if I'm not wrong, like the
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: facade or the, the, the like the arch or something
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: is the is
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: original, but it's like.
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: It's not, it's not creepy lah. I don't know how
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: to explain to you. It's like, you know, like if
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: you go to like one of those very old malls
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: in Singapore, but then they got like rejuvenated. It still
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: has kind of this rustic, uh, charm, but you can
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: tell that it's been modernized. Yeah, yeah, so like you
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: look at the buildings like this building I confirm got
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: Wi Fi. Yeah, it's like that kind of feeling.
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: Um, but I, I would say that it's probably the, the,
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: the collision of the yin and energy around the area, like,
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: for example, like because it was a hospital, right, and
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: you went through so many things, negative things, so yeah,
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: psychiatric hospitals. It's like, OK, have you ever wondered, right?
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: I mean, it's not a normal thing to to to
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: to go to a uh uh mental asylum la, uh, often, right? Like,
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: but have you ever wondered?
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: What are they seeing because when you walk past a
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: mental side, which I have, I walk past and then
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: you hear them scream and it's at night it was
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: like one of those things that I just go Jalan
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: jalan around the area because creepy, right, but at night
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: then they scream like you can hear the scream very loud,
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: but what are they seeing? OK, so the thing, the
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: thing that is very.
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: Difficult, right, is because they are in a mental asylum,
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: so the doctors might just say, oh, this one mental,
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: this one mental, but they actually are saying that, you know,
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: the actual entity. What if, what if you, yeah, so
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: you never know. So, um, I think we have, we
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: had a a friend who shared with us at, uh,
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: that we cannot name the hospital, but there are certain
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: cases that is legit hauntings.
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: Like legit, uh, possessions or hauntings, but they don't know
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: what to do with the person, so they put them
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: in a mental asylum. Yeah, but there's there's no choice.
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: There's no choice. You cannot solve it and they know
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: that for a fact that this one is not a
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: normal mental breakdown because these are the professionals, they know,
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: but they cannot like say that oh it's it's a,
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: you know, it's it's a possession.
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: So they have to just leave it as that, but
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: they cannot call any practitioners to come and help. The
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: one I think is up to the doctor's discretion. You
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: said let's say the doctor and the doctor, OK, I
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: call off because if, if it's really like, you know,
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: they are possessed, right, um, I think then you, you
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: put them into a mental asylum, right.
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: They will be more, they will be even more depressed
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: and then eventually the thing will eat up the brain
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: and then they really go crazy, it's so sad. So, so,
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: so like, yeah, like, like what I say like all
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: this like negative energy, then, then after that you come
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: back into a hospital, right? So, so much energy that
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: was stored at High Street Center, um.
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: And also there's a mob because hospital confirmed the mock.
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: Where's the mock, of course, the basement. So I would
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: imagine maybe.
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: You know, the Hong Kong authorities, they, they are believers
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: of feng shui. Hong Kong is huge believers of feng shui,
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: so maybe they did their cleansing, but there's still a
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: place that the, the, the things that can hide la,
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: I would imagine it's in the basement where probably where
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: the mock used to be. That's one place I would avoid.
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: I wouldn't want to go.
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: Uh, talking about mock, right, I have this one story.
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: Do you guys want to hear. Uh, there's this one time, uh,
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: I think it's a doctor, doctor or nurse try to
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: wheel in like a mock a dead body, go down,
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: go basement or whatever to to the mortuary.
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: And then this guy, he noticed he, he realized he
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: haven't prayed. Malaya is a Muslim, Muslim guy, he noticed
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: he haven't prayed, you know, uh, I think in in
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: in Islam there there are 5 times that we have
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: to pray and this happened at 8 or 9+. So
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: the last, the last one, he haven't prayed. So he
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: told his one of his colleagues, OK, I want to
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: go pray first, and the, the praying room right is
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: very close to the mock la mock area, so you
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: want to go pray first.
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: So you go like, you go, you go take this
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: evolution and go take the voodoo and everything. As Muslim
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: when we want to start praying, we have to let
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: all that right.
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: So when you do that, OK, everything is, everything is fine,
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: you know. Then when suddenly he noticed, you know, behind him, right,
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: you know, from the corner of your eye, behind him
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: he saw like he heard people like joining in also
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: to pray, right? So he thought like, OK, yeah, people
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: good lah, right, at least got friends, right? And he
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: noticed the leg, the leg of the person behind the
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: leg was like burning, like very black, then like, you know,
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: the skin like very black, you know, so that why
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: why black color and I he continue praying and he
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: continue praying.
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: So right after prayers usually we will like turn right
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: and then turn left, you know, to, to give uh Salam, right?
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: So he turned he turned, then he noticed from again
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: when you turn right from the corner of your eyes
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: you can see right when you turn again you see
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: no one at the back, you know, and you're like scared,
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: you know, he scared like, Wow, who joined me for prayers?
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: It's
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: probably a gin that because like what you were saying earlier,
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: the spirits, once they pass on like will have
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: no connection in this
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: they will move on almost immediately. So like if it's
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: the jins get.
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: Invade a prayer room like that.
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's possible, you know, like, like if for me
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: to answer that question, right, these jeans are there in
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: mosque also in your house, you know, in your, you know,
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: R&R usually got a praying room, they are, they are,
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: they are in there also because gin, there are, uh,
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: Jin Islam Jin Islam means, um, Islamic jin la Muslim jeans,
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: and then there are genes that are straight up just
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: there to disturb you lah.
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: Oh wow. So even Jin Islam also sometimes they are
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: there because we are different, two different entities, we are
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: humans and then they are genes, even though technically they
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: are the same religion as us, right? If we were
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: to see them also, we get scared, right, but then
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: they are there to actually to to to pray with you,
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: so you get what I mean? So, they, their intention
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: is not to scare you. Their intention is just to
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: join you. But then we humans, because we, we are
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: the same, we don't have the same physique, right? So
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: we get scared because of it, yeah.
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: But I'm not sure the one disturbed him when, when
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: he was praying is Jin Islam or like the bad one.
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: A remote area in Uttarakhan, a state in northern India,
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: has attracted the attention of television crews and the social
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: media savvy. It isn't because the location provides a panoramic
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: view of the Himalayas. It's because of a mansion that
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: had been turned into a hospital sometime after the death
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: of its owner.
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: Or more specifically because of the doctor who eventually ran
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: the hospital, a man simply known as Dr. Morris. A
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: local resident told a newspaper, quote, My father, who passed
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: away in 1985, used to tell us stories about the
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: glory of the hospital. It was considered one of the
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: biggest hospitals in the area, end quote. No big deal
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: until you dig a bit deeper.
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: According to some articles we have read, Dr. Morris would
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: predict the exact day that his patients would die. Wow,
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: that's really scary. These patients, many of whom who had
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: no loved ones, uh, that would notice their disappearance, were
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: placed in a separate building called Mukti Koti, about 1
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: kilometer away from the main hospital. There they would be
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: found dead on the day that Dr. Morris predicted.
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: Naturally, rumors started circulating that Dr. Morris was murdering his patients.
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: After the doctor died, investigations found equipment in Maurice's office
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: that suggested unethical medical practices. Since then, cries and whispers
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: could be heard from within Mukti Koti at night, and
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: locals would catch glimpses of shadowy figures. Many suspect that
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: these are the ghosts of Dr. Morris and his patients. Wow,
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: that is really creepy that you predict, I think you're
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: going to die.
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: Next week, you know, and then suddenly next week you
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: really die, and then like it raises suspicions and then
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: like people, oh, maybe the doctor killed them. See, OK,
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: this, this always goes back to that question of um.
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: Which is scarier, ghosts or people,
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: you know, in, in Malay, right, in Malay, there's this saying, right, uh,
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: manus here like it sarampa hantu which also translates to
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: humans are scarier than ghosts, which is kind of true,
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: you know, especially with, with, with, with black magic going around,
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: you know, they are really scary, you know, if they
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: don't like you, right.
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, and apparently the doctor himself, he was, uh,
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: obsessed with life and death. So that's why he did
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: whatever he did to the the poor patients.
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Wait, wait, wait, what do you mean by obsessed
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: with life and death? So the, the doctor, he, he
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: is very fascinated with the concept of life and death, like, uh,
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: what happens after you die. So there's a rumors that
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: he actually experimented on the the patients.
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: To see what it's like, oh, to see like whether,
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: oh really, when you almost die you can see the light, yeah,
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: possibly that's messed up. Yeah, this is quite, quite, quite sick.
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: That's what, yeah, it goes to show that humans are
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: scarier than ghosts,
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: yeah, because like, honestly, right, you say like, oh, I
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: predict that you will die this day. That's frightening. That
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: in itself is really frightening. Then I find out, right,
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: that this guy is.
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: Maybe torturing me, maybe experimenting on me, all just so
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: that his prediction will come true. That is way scarier.
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: Like if, if two separate people come up to me, like,
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: I predict you and I on this day, and then
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: he does nothing to me and this person is like.
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: I predict you're gonna die this day and I'm gonna
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: torture you till you die, till you confirm we'll die
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: that day, right? Obviously that person is way scarier. Like
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: it's the psychopath, yeah, it's, it's, it's the, it's the,
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: it's the human element that freaks me out more than
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: the supposedly psychic element. It is knowing that this guy
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: and like they say in the articles as well, like
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: these people had no one, like they maybe they were,
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: they were, um, homeless people, maybe they were, they just
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: didn't have family or anything.
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: So there was nobody who's gonna like come and save them, like,
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: so you really up in some nice mountain somewhere, you're
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: trapped with this.
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: This this doctor who's
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: You know, let, let's face it, la, a terrible person,
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: like for me that is the creepiest thing about it
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: as you were talking, I was envisioning like the, the,
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: the area in my head, right? I can imagine in
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: the mountain area like everything is white, the doctor is
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: wearing white, and then the, it's really creepy area then yeah,
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: you imagine like you.
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: Nobody can help you. You're just there, start with the doctor.
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: Actually that's a good movie. Is there a movie like this?
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: I'm sure I'm sure there's a movie like this. We'll
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: make a good movie.
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: If, if there isn't there's somebody watching this right now
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: who's thinking, Oh, that's a script that I'm going to write.
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know what's creepier, la, like
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: a normal mob or a mob in a hospital that's
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: up in the mountains. Because I think a mock is
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: a mock, right? No, but like in the mountains because
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: it will take a while for people to remove the body.
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: The body will be just there, will be just there
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: for like maybe a couple of days, maybe a week
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: before they can remove it because they need to go
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: out the mountain. And then if let's say the mountain
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: is like so secluded, right, cars cannot even go, then
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: you need to carry it.
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: That's even worse, right? All right, this question is for everyone.
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: If you were very sick but not deathly ill, and
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: the only place you could get treated was a hospital
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: that was known to be haunted, would you risk getting admitted, man?
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: I, I know this is a difficult one for you
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: because you really don't like hospitals. Yeah,
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: I never stayed in a hospital before, so, OK, OK, OK.
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: Hopefully I won't stay in the hospital soon.
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: I'll give you time to think about this. My answer
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: is no. I will stay at home. I will poop
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: my pants, I will throw up everywhere. I will apologize
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: to my wife after that, and then later on I'll
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: clean up my flat. If I'm not deathly ill, I
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: will stay at home until the point where
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: I can bring myself to like a GP or something, OK,
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: and that's it. If I know the place is, if
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: it's got a reputation for being haunted.
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: Like, not just like, oh, a story here and there's
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: like it's, it's, it's like it's like the the the
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: clinic it's like where you've, you've got 12 years of
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: history telling you that the place wanted. If it's like that, nope.
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: But for me, I think I would just, I don't
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: mind getting admitted and this is the truth, because like
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: if you think about it, all all hospitals allegedly or
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: supposedly are hunted right.
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: I mean these spirits are everywhere, right? So even in
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: your own home you never know, you know, because you
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: are sick, because you are sick, right, your energy is low, right,
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: and this thing like, oh, OK, wind is slow, you know,
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: will go to you, so.
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: See, then in my own home, I will be surrounded
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: by my cat, so my energy will be somewhat high.
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: For
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: me, I, I would probably stay because I think it's, uh,
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: it's better in the long run in for my health. Yeah,
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: I mean, I, I, I always get angry at my
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: elderlies that hey, every time don't go to hospital, I must,
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: you know, I must also walk the talk lah. OK
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: go lah, but I will plan it in a way
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: where I'll have people around.
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: 24/7. OK, if I'm getting a ghost, ah, in my
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: single wall, I better make sure you, you, you experience
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: it with me, but sometimes it's only you can see,
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: you know, you're the chosen one. Then that's too bad. Then, then,
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: then I will, then I'll negotiate. I say, so what
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: do you want? You tell me what you want. How many,
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: how many people you want me to burn.
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: You know homile Chinese girls, right? How many, how many
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: people you want me to burn for you I thought
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: you said people. Oh no, no, no, I say people,
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: yeah, OK, OK. If let's say you have to say
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: this follow-up question, if you had to say in a hospital, right,
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: you said single ward, yeah, so you wouldn't want to
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: share the ward with other people.
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: OK, I, I thought about this clearly. I have thought
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: for a very long time because my insurance covers all
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: sorts of I can choose, right.
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: The, the danger is that when you choose uh like
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: let's say a 6 or 44 person bid, what if
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: there's a guy who die right then and there no, no,
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: it's it's not there, it's not that it's like you
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: talk to the person, then you realize that the person
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: already died like my story just now exactly that will
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: freak me out and I'll be so traumatized. I rather
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: I take my chances single walk.
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: I roll my dice. Maybe nobody died. Maybe somebody died
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: and the person died peacefully. Ah, OK, then never mind.
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: Then at least you know you can have someone over. They,
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: they can arrange for you, of course you have to
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: pay extra lah. So, so that I can have an assurance,
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: whereas the 4 to 6 people and some of them
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: are in pain then they keep yelling.
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: Uh, I've, I've seen him before. You're not gonna get
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: some sleep, so, yeah, so I, I, yeah, I will
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: choose the single one. like brainstorm the idea. I think
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: very long. I really think very long already.
• 37:01
  Speaker 2: I, I've known Carl for a while that that all
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: of this tracks with with who he is, but yeah, I,
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: I agree it's that it's the, it's the whole idea of.
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: If you're talking to somebody, right, and then you don't
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: know that they did, like that's why your story freaked
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: me out so much and when he was talking about like,
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: oh wait, wait, I'll speak with somebody in the ward,
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: and then it turns out they're not alive, right? Literally
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: I'm I'm picturing in my head like, you know, you're
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: in the ward, then you see like one of the
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: other patients get up to go toilet, and he never
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: comes back. Then later he's like, Hey, the patient's still
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: in the toilet, then the nurse will be like, Oh, what,
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: what are you talking about? There's no patient on here.
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: As you can tell, I created an entire ghost story
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: in my head just based on the idea of
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: Somebody who you thought was alive but wasn't alive, that
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: one would freak me out the most. I think for me,
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: middle ground, I will try to find, I will try
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: to find a ward with 4 bits. 66 is a
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: bit much for me. 6 happening happening. I wouldn't mind
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: 4 beds. 6 bits I feel.
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: Odds increased already that one of them might not be
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: what they say they are same what I know same lah,
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: but like, you know, I cannot do the I
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: feel like 6 better because 6 more people.
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: But then what if more of them are dead?
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: 4 la cannot be la. I think 4 in Mandarin
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: is very bad, right? Oh yeah.
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: Oh crap,
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: yeah, you better get sick. OK. Some got 8 some.
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: OK, clearly I need to rethink my whole plan when
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: it comes to going to hospital.
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: No, but you can choose, so it's your choice.
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: Would you what would you choose?
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: I, I don't know. I really don't mind anything I
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: can afford like basically in Singapore expensive.
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: Fair, fair.
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: OK, so it's time once again, Carl, please share with
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: us our morbid fact of the day.
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: So some hospitals in North America and Europe had a
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: picture or symbol placed in high areas. These were only
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: visible if you were floating near the ceiling or you
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: have a very long ladder. They were there as part
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: of a study to test the validity of people that
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: claim to have out of body experiences. Wow.
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: lot of body experiences, so you like you, you die already,
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: then you flow up, then you see that, oh, there's a,
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: there's a 40 number on top, then you flow back down. Yeah,
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: you never had like lucid dream before, man, like you, like,
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: for example, your body is super tired, then you dream
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: and then you can see yourself. I, I read a
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: lot about, uh, what is it called sleeping. I read
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: a lot of stories about that, right, but I've never
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: experienced it before.
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: I even I've had, OK lah.
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: I don't know how much of this might have been
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: a dream, how much of this might have been reality,
• 39:41
  Speaker 2: but I've had like out of body experiences before where
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: it's and there's nothing.
• 39:46
  Speaker 2: There's nothing particularly freaky about it because it's not like
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: I was on, I was near death or anything. I,
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: I literally was just like, you don't even know that
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: you're floating. You just look at and like, Hey, that's
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: my body.
• 39:56
  Speaker 2: That's me. Then I, then suddenly the moment there's that
• 39:59
  Speaker 2: realization that you're out of your body, it everything like
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: just goes back to normal.
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: The only time that I had, like, you know, you
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: know when they say your life flashes, right? The only
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: time I experienced that was when I was 18. I
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: was in I was at TPE and I met with
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: an accident. I was riding my bike. I met with
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: an accident with another bike.
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: And then as I hit him, I blacked out and
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: then well that one really scary, that one I, I
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: remember waking up. I remember that that morning I wake up,
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: I go bathe, I go shower, I brush my teeth,
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: and then I, uh, I hug my mom before I
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: went out. Well, that one really scary. I thought I
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: was dying already. That was the only like out of
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: body experience that I have yeah, flesh is really scary. Yeah,
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: mine was, uh, I was very sick, high fever, very
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: high fever.
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: Then the doctor gave me some really strong medicine and
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: I could, I fell asleep, but he didn't feel like
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: I fell asleep. I was looking at my body. I
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: think it's really strange. It's really strange. I'm like, after
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: I ate that I was like, I'm not gonna eat
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: that anymore. Screw the screw the fever. I don't want
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: to see myself. Wait, wait, this is not at the hospital.
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: This is at home, at home, home, yeah, at home.
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: Like it was really bad. It was a very bad fever.
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: I ate already. I was like, why can I see
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: why I can see myself lying on the bed.
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: It's either a really screwed up dream or like really happened.
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: I think even in in my religion we believe that
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: when we sleep, right, you know, you actually when we sleep, your, your,
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: your role, you know, your role, your spirit actually go
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: out of your body around, yeah, and then once you
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: wake up, right, let's say you wake up from a
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: bad dream and they will that's why, that's why people
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: will always say, right, don't like wake up when you
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: wake up someone wake up, wake them up slowly, like,
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: you know, hey, win, win, you know, like that, don't like, hey, win, win,
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: wake up, wake
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: up.
• 41:42
  Speaker 2: I, I also prefer if people gently, not, not for
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: any spiritual reasons, but because very annoying to be woken
• 41:47
  Speaker 2: up the other way, yeah,
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: so, so we believe in that the Chinese do. That's
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: why they say, uh, don't, uh, do makeup.
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: For someone who's sleeping because they cannot recognize their face,
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: they won't go back. Then the spirit is lost. Oh,
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: that's the reason. Yeah, I don't take photo of the
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: like might not recognize you go out and that's it gone.
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: The spirit is gone. What a way to, what a
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: way to die, man.
• 42:12
  Speaker 2: I,
• 42:12
  Speaker 2: I have, I have drawn like, you know, terrible pictures
• 42:16
  Speaker 2: on my face. imagine
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: you fly back, right? Then
• 42:18
  Speaker 2: it's
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: like, I don't look so handsome one there. I don't
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: think it's not my body. Somebody gonna draw you very
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: nice the makeup or.
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: this person also has it's not me.
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: OK. When my friends got, when my friends got drunk
• 42:30
  Speaker 2: when we were younger, I would draw on their faces.
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: So thankfully they managed to recover after that because if
• 42:36
  Speaker 2: not they were like, Hey, wait a minute.
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: They they're gonna come and haunt
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: you. Yeah, their spirit was like, I don't recall seeing
• 42:43
  Speaker 2: all these rude words on my face when I was alive.
• 42:45
  Speaker 2: That can't be
• 42:46
  Speaker 2: me.
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: What is this 8 figure with one long?
• 42:50
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