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Sharri | 5 August · Sharri

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Speaker 1: Thanks Andrew and good evening tonight. There are calls for
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Speaker 1: Commissioner Virginia Bell to apologize after she allowed pro Palestinian
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Speaker 1: groups to interrogate a Jewish leader at the Anti Semitism
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Speaker 1: Royal Commission. But Albanese's hand picked commissioner is not backing down,
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Speaker 1: and today she launched an extraordinary defense of her decision
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Speaker 1: to give Palestinian groups leave to cross examine David Ossip
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Speaker 1: for an hour about the actions of Israel, Palestinian casualty figures,
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Speaker 1: its military operations, I mean all areas that have nothing
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Speaker 1: to do with Australian Jews.
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Speaker 2: The move has angered.
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Speaker 1: The community and even Premier Chris Mintz Mince told me
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Speaker 1: exclusively earlier today that he was disappointed. He said David
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Speaker 1: Ossip showed real courage in coming forward to give evidence
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Speaker 1: about anti Semitism in Australia and the impact on the
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Speaker 1: Jewish community. The idea that the focus shifted from anti
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Speaker 1: Semitism in Australia to testing a witness on foreign policy
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Speaker 1: by the lawyers representing the Palestine Action Group and the
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Speaker 1: Australia Palestine Advocacy Network is disappointing and doesn't reflect the
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Speaker 1: purpose of these hearings were good on the premiere for
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Speaker 1: being consistently strong and courageous and for being unafraid to
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Speaker 1: call out those disgraceful scenes of the Royal Commission. Federal
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Speaker 1: Labor and p Josh Burns, whose mates with Alban Easy,
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Speaker 1: was also unimpressed.
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Speaker 2: And here's what he told the ABC today.
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Speaker 3: And I think he made the good point, which is,
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Speaker 3: regardless of what people's views are might be around incidents
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Speaker 3: in the Middle East, actually what we're talking about is
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Speaker 3: the experiences of Australians and Felt Australians and Jewish Australians,
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Speaker 3: and that isn't the same thing.
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Speaker 1: This criticism stretched across both sides of politics, and Liberal
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Speaker 1: Senator James Patterson called on the Royal Commission.
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Speaker 2: To apologize to Ossip.
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Speaker 1: He said, the Royal Commission is supposed to combat anti Semitism,
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Speaker 1: not facilitate it. Cross examining an Australian Jew about the
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Speaker 1: actions of the Israeli government.
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Speaker 2: Is an abuse of the process.
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Speaker 1: It should not happen again and David Ossip deserves an apology.
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Speaker 1: But there was no apology from Virginia Bell today. Instead,
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Speaker 1: she snappily defended her decision to allow Palestinian activist groups
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Speaker 1: to grill Ossip about matters that had absolutely nothing to
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Speaker 1: do with him, about the so called context for the
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Speaker 1: harmas slaughter of innocent families, about Palestinian casualty, figures, about
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Speaker 1: a biased United Nations report, and even comments made by
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Speaker 1: Benjamin net and Yahoo and just a reminder, these were
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Speaker 1: some of those questions that Ossip was forced to sit
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Speaker 1: there and field.
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Speaker 4: And you appreciate and understand, don't you, mister Ossip, that Palestinians,
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Speaker 4: both in the occupied territory and here in Australia, have
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Speaker 4: also suffered deep psychological trauma. And the context in relation
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Speaker 4: to the events of seven October twenty twenty three are
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Speaker 4: firstly that in the period between two thousand and eight
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Speaker 4: and twenty twenty three seven October twenty twenty three, roughly
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Speaker 4: six six thousand, six hundred Palestinians had been killed by
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Speaker 4: the Israeli security forces. That's the context isn't known.
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Speaker 5: You are aware, aren't you? That Israel Defense Force FARTA
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Speaker 5: jets began conducting air strikes in the Gaza Strip at
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Speaker 5: around five point thirty pm Sydney time on the seventh
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Speaker 5: of October. I want to suggest to you that you
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Speaker 5: have seen nothing that has emanated from the organizers of
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Speaker 5: the rally, namely the Palestine Action Group, which would suggest
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Speaker 5: in any way that the rally was being convened to
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Speaker 5: celebrate those despicable attacks.
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Speaker 1: Well, David Ossip said very clearly that he wasn't equipped
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Speaker 1: to answer these questions, and he even tried to stop
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Speaker 1: the line of questioning at the start of that interrogation,
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Speaker 1: but the commissioner allowed it.
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Speaker 6: I think I'm happy to address that again, but I
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Speaker 6: think this line of questioning is very instructive.
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Speaker 7: Mister Ossip. If the line of questioning falls outside matters
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Speaker 7: that are properly before me, I will rule the question inadmissible.
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Speaker 7: I have not made that rule.
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Speaker 1: And the questions went on from both lawyers for about
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Speaker 1: an hour. So how could Virginia Bell possibly defend this
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Speaker 1: when the new South Wales Premier can see it's wrong,
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Speaker 1: when James Patterson can see it's wrong, when anyone with
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Speaker 1: common sense.
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Speaker 2: Could see that it was well even cruel to.
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Speaker 1: Ask Ossip, an Australian, to account for alleged actions of Israel.
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Speaker 1: But Bell described it today when she was defending her
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Speaker 1: actions as procedural fairness.
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Speaker 7: Mss Mader's cross examination proceeded based upon a limited grunt
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Speaker 7: of leave. The leave was limited to paragraph fifty one
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Speaker 7: of the statement of mister Ossip. In that paragraph, mister
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Speaker 7: Ossip expressed his opinion about the conduct of the State
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Speaker 7: of Israel in the period immediately following the attack by
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Speaker 7: the terrorist group AMAS on Israel. As Maida sought on
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Speaker 7: behalf of her client to put matters there challenged the
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Speaker 7: factual basis for the formation of that aspect of mister
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Speaker 7: Ossip's opinion. She was granted leave to do that because
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Speaker 7: procedural fairness, a concept familiar to lawyers but perhaps not
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Speaker 7: more widely understood, demanded it.
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Speaker 2: Kind of patronizing.
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Speaker 1: There will that statement that you refer to, paragraph fifty
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Speaker 1: one of David Ossip's.
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Speaker 2: Statement, Well, it made the point that.
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Speaker 1: The Opera House protest occurred before Israel's.
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Speaker 2: Military response in Guys had begun.
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Speaker 1: So because of that one line he was subject to
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Speaker 1: almost an hour of interrogation by lawyers acting for the
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Speaker 1: two Palestinian groups. Now the Commission of Virginia Bell Today
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Speaker 1: also seemed to blame Jewish leader Alex Rifchett for abusive
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Speaker 1: emails that one of the lawyers, Ragnimutha, had received.
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Speaker 7: Afterwards, the solicitors assisting the Commission received an email communication
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Speaker 7: today from the solicitors for the Australian Palette Palette a
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Speaker 7: Estein Advocacy Network a PAN that attached a copy of
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Speaker 7: a newspaper report of an interview with a prominent member
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Speaker 7: of the Jewish community who expressed the opinion in that
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Speaker 7: interview that council appearing for a PAN and for the
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Speaker 7: Palestine Advocacy Group had endeavored to hijack the Royal Commission.
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Speaker 7: Following the publication of that interview, I am informed that
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Speaker 7: Ms Mader of Senior Counsel, who appeared yesterday for a PAN,
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Speaker 7: received a series of truly abusive islamophobic emails.
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Speaker 1: Now, Alex was among the many people who criticized the
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Speaker 1: cross examination, he was not alone. This singling out of
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Speaker 1: Alex was unfair and he was right to criticize the
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Speaker 1: cross examination by the Palestinian groups, just as the Premier
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Speaker 1: has now done, and as the late Matilda's father, Michael
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Speaker 1: Britfin did yesterday as well. The Commissioner certainly shouldn't be
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Speaker 1: blaming Alex for any abuse the lawyer may have received.
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Speaker 1: And here's what Michael said. This is the father of
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Speaker 1: the ten year old, the youngest victim of the Bondei attack,
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Speaker 1: Matilda B. Michael said he couldn't understand why the Commission
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Speaker 1: allowed the protest groups via their lawyers to cross examine witnesses.
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Speaker 1: He said, what I struggle to understand is why they
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Speaker 1: were allowed to be there in the first place, let
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Speaker 1: alone use the Royal Commission to ask questions that shift
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Speaker 1: the focus away from.
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Speaker 2: The anti Semitism that led to it.
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Speaker 1: And of course he's following these proceedings closely because the
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Speaker 1: reason we have a Royal Commission is because of the
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Speaker 1: deaths of the fifteen innocent people at Bondai. But this
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Speaker 1: entire saga, in my view, has been revealing about the
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Speaker 1: Royal Commission, and to borrow Chris Minz's phrase, it's been
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Speaker 1: revealing in a disappointing way because they don't seem to
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Speaker 1: grasp why the opera house protests and so many others
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Speaker 1: like it.
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Speaker 2: Were so problematic.
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Speaker 1: Now listen to this question from the Commissioner to David
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Speaker 1: Ossip right at the end of his testimony.
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Speaker 7: The thing that made the ninth of October twenty twenty
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Speaker 7: three protest particularly difficult from your perspective was that you
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Speaker 7: and as you understood it. All the members of almost
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Speaker 7: all the members of the Jewish community were in a
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Speaker 7: state of very considerable distress by reason of the fact
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Speaker 7: that events were still unfolding inside Israel, involving people being
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Speaker 7: kidnapped and harmed.
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Speaker 8: And it was in.
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Speaker 7: The context of that very heated atmosphere that you had
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Speaker 7: the lively concerns about security for the Jewish community if
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Speaker 7: they were to come into contact with the protesters. Is
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Speaker 7: that a fear way of putting it.
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Speaker 2: Now?
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Speaker 1: Yes, the timing was insensitive, of course, but that's hardly
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Speaker 1: the main issue. The key issue is the despicable display
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Speaker 1: of hatred, the waving of terror flags that then continued
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Speaker 1: at most of the protests, including the harbour Bridge march,
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Speaker 1: plus the.
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Speaker 2: Clearly anti Semitic chance like this.
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Speaker 1: Commission of Virginia Bell also seemed to believe that the
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Speaker 1: Palestine Action Group had condemn that anti Semitic behavior.
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Speaker 2: Look at this.
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Speaker 7: You were shown a document which I think might be
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Speaker 7: mfi too. It was the Facebook post, apparently on the
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Speaker 7: social media page of the Palestine Action Group, in which
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Speaker 7: the group distanced itself from the anti Semitic chance that
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Speaker 7: had taken place at the fore Court of the Omre House.
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Speaker 7: Do you remember that? And am I right in thinking
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Speaker 7: you said, at least in so far as the Post
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Speaker 7: did that you welcomed it, of course.
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Speaker 9: With early brush.
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Speaker 6: Yes.
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Speaker 1: Now I'm really worried that the Commissioner may genuinely believe
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Speaker 1: the Palestine Action Group had condemned the anti semitism of
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Speaker 1: the Opera House rally, because while their leader and organizers
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Speaker 1: may not have chanted f the Jews, they were clearly
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Speaker 1: supporting the Hamas terror organization just forty eight hours after
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Speaker 1: it burned, raped, kidnapped and killed civilians. And here's two
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Speaker 1: speakers from the Palestine Action Group on the night of
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Speaker 1: the Opera House rally.
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Speaker 10: So to anyone who comes out with an argument that
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Speaker 10: says her mask is a terrorist organization organization, let me
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Speaker 10: tell you that is internationally recognized, that we're Palestinians as
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Speaker 10: har Mass have a right to resist.
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Speaker 1: I mean, the Commissioner needs to see this evidence, and
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Speaker 1: David Osso would have had it before him, but he
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Speaker 1: was given virtually no notice that the Palestinian groups would
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Speaker 1: be cross examining him. He thought he was there to
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Speaker 1: give straightforward testimony about how police advised the Jewish community
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Speaker 1: to stay out of Sydney CBD that night, and then
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Speaker 1: shortly before his appearance he was told that two Palestinian
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Speaker 1: groups had been given leave by the Royal Commission to
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Speaker 1: cross examine him.
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Speaker 2: This was an ambush.
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Speaker 1: If this was going to happen, he should have had
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Speaker 1: time to prepare for the questions. But the bottom line
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Speaker 1: is that Virginia Bell was wrong to allow an Australian
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Speaker 1: Jew to be accosted by lawyers representing the very activists
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Speaker 1: who had organized the shameful rally under scrutiny. Chris Mins
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Speaker 1: knows it, Josh Burns knows it. So does James Patterson
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Speaker 1: and his right to demand an apology for allowing the
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Speaker 1: proceedings to become a platform for bad actors to intimidate
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Speaker 1: a witness with propaganda intended to excuse and sanitize the
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Speaker 1: disgrace of the Opera House rally. Now, former Radio Titan,
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Speaker 1: and by the way, I'm going to come back to
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Speaker 1: that with Dave Sharma in just a moment. But now
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Speaker 1: former Radio Titan Alan Jones has sat through day three
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Speaker 1: of his bombshell trial, where so far graphic allegations of
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Speaker 1: sexual assault have been heard in court, and today the
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Speaker 1: young athlete known only as Jay, continued his cross examination.
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Speaker 1: Judge Glenn Walsh issued a non publication order on one
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Speaker 1: specific line of questioning from Jones's lawyer. More on this
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Speaker 1: thanks to nine News.
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Speaker 11: Due to this non publication order on today's proceedings, we
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Speaker 11: can't tell you much about what happened in court. There
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Speaker 11: was some action outside this afternoon, however, as Jones left
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Speaker 11: for the day, the veteran broadcaster heckled by a member
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Speaker 11: of the public who yelled profanities at Jones as he's
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Speaker 11: made his way through the media pack to his waiting limousine.
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Speaker 11: Now inside the court today cross examination of complainant Jay
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Speaker 11: it was slow, methodical, and at times painstaking. Everything you'd
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Speaker 11: expect from Jones's legal team is a question this man
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Speaker 11: who Jones allegedly abused as a teenage athlete in the
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Speaker 11: early two thousands. It will be up to Judge Glenn
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Speaker 11: Walsh to lift that non publication order at the end
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Speaker 11: of the cross examination, which will continue tomorrow.
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Speaker 1: And Alan Jones denies all the allegations. Okay, let's bring
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Speaker 1: you now. Shadow Assistant Minister for Citizenship and Multicultural Affairs,
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Speaker 1: Dave Sharma.
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Speaker 2: Dave great to see you again.
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Speaker 6: Good even showing.
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Speaker 2: Now you've just watched.
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Speaker 1: Me speak about what happened with David Ossip. What do
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Speaker 1: you think of the Commissioner's defense that this was simplydural fairness.
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Speaker 12: What I don't understand is the Palestine Action Group were
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Speaker 12: the organizers of these ninth of October protests. They should
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Speaker 12: be in the dock answering the questions. They shouldn't be
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Speaker 12: asking the questions. It was those protests that opened a
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Speaker 12: window a torrent of anti Semitism in Australia which we
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Speaker 12: have struggled to contain ever since. They were the fuel,
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Speaker 12: they were the fire that kickstarted everything we've had to
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Speaker 12: enjoy the Jewish communities had to endure the.
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Speaker 6: Past two and a half years.
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Speaker 12: How they were given the right to cross examine David
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Speaker 12: Ossip not about the experience of the Australian Jewish community,
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Speaker 12: not about the events at the Opera House that night,
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Speaker 12: but about the conduct of a foreign state for whom
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Speaker 12: he has no responsibility and for whom he is not
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Speaker 12: the spokesperson. I just find that entirely bizarre, and I
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Speaker 12: don't find the explanations for it convincing. Apparently it was
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Speaker 12: one paragraph in his statement, why were they entitled to
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Speaker 12: cross examine him for an hour?
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Speaker 2: Exactly?
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Speaker 1: Absolutely, and the questioning whent On and went on about
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Speaker 1: casualty figures and a United Nations report. I mean he
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Speaker 1: wasn't in a position to answer that. I mean, I
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Speaker 1: totally agree with you an excellent point that they should
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Speaker 1: have been in the ones. They should have been the
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Speaker 1: ones in the dock answering the questions, not the ones
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Speaker 1: asking them. But if she wanted procedural fairness, then have
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Speaker 1: them give their own testimony. They shouldn't have been grilling
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Speaker 1: David Oskin.
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Speaker 6: I agree, I don't.
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Speaker 12: I mean, if procedural fairness requires them to give their
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Speaker 12: own version of events, then they could have appeared as
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Speaker 12: witnesses and been asked by asked questions by Commission lawyers.
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Speaker 12: But why they weren't told to the right to all
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Speaker 12: intents and purposes looked like a cross examination of David Ossip.
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Speaker 12: It looks to me like an abusive process. It looks
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Speaker 12: like the Royal Commission was hijacked to make the subject
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Speaker 12: of the investigation not about anti Semitism in Australia, but
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Speaker 12: about a war that's happening overseas and in which we
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Speaker 12: exercise no control as Australians.
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Speaker 1: I understand Josh Le's was in the audience watching on
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Speaker 1: by the way, I've got when I moved to another
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Speaker 1: couple of topics, but just very quickly on that point,
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Speaker 1: why aren't politicians appearing this week? Shouldn't the Prime Minister
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Speaker 1: have to answer for why he didn't show stronger leadership
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Speaker 1: in the wake of the Opera House rally, because, as
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Speaker 1: you say, that's when this sort of aggression became normalized.
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Speaker 6: I quite agree.
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Speaker 12: I've been surprised that more people in government haven't been
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Speaker 12: called before the Royal Commission, not just public servants or
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Speaker 12: people in uniform or police officers, but people who took
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Speaker 12: decisions about how Australia would respond to this outbreak and
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Speaker 12: anti semitism. And it was clear that the labor government,
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Speaker 12: the federal Labor government, has a lot to answer for here.
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Speaker 12: Thus far, though their conduct seems to have escaped any scrutiny.
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Speaker 1: The PM should be called, Tony Burke should be called
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Speaker 1: absolutely all right, Let's get to a couple of other topics.
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Speaker 9: Now.
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Speaker 1: Tony Burke is reportedly deprioritizing overseas skilled workers as part
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Speaker 1: of this push to cut down a migration Now it
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Speaker 1: seems like he's reacting to one nation. But if you're
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Speaker 1: going to cut down on migrants, surely the skilled cohort
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Speaker 1: is the one that you'd leave.
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Speaker 6: Absolutely.
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Speaker 12: We are so short of skilled workers, especially in construction.
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Speaker 12: If you want to know why houses cost so much
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Speaker 12: to build, if you want to know why it's taking
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Speaker 12: so long to build, it's because of a shortage of
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Speaker 12: skilled workers. You know, people who are you know, massage
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Speaker 12: therapists and catering and hospitality in the skilled migration stream,
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Speaker 12: they get a higher priority.
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Speaker 6: I have to say that.
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Speaker 12: I mean overall, Labour's policy here seems to completely in disarray.
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Speaker 12: Tony Burk was due to address the National Press Club tomorrow.
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Speaker 12: That appearance has now been canceled because seemingly the Labor
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Speaker 12: government cannot agree on how they deal with migration. And
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Speaker 12: it's clear they don't have control of the migration program,
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Speaker 12: they don't have a strategy for it. And this is
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Speaker 12: just yet another example.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it seems like there's a crisis in cabinet. I'll
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Speaker 1: come back to that with my panel a bit later. Now,
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Speaker 1: the Prime Minister's been criticized for snubbing an important diplomatic
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Speaker 1: dinner that celebrates Japan's relationship with Australia, and instead he
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Speaker 1: was seeing schmoozing with singer Amy Shark at a Spotify
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Speaker 1: music event as you can see on the screen. Now,
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Speaker 1: many other ministers went, John Howard, Matt Canavan or managed
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Speaker 1: to make it to the Japanese event.
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Speaker 2: I mean he should have prioritized that.
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Speaker 12: Surely, I don't see why he couldn't have made an
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Speaker 12: appearance that he was clearly in Parliament that night, he
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Speaker 12: wasn't off site. Sure if he wants to stop by
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Speaker 12: the Spotify event, say hello to Ami shar can get
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Speaker 12: a selfie, go right ahead.
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Speaker 6: But he should have been at that dinner.
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Speaker 12: This is the fiftieth anniversary of a relationship with one
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Speaker 12: of our most important, longstanding and valuable trade, commercial, strategic
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Speaker 12: and defense partners. That relationship matters, and of course it
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Speaker 12: comes on the back of a pretty gratuitous insult he
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Speaker 12: leveled at Japan's Prime minister not long ago.
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Speaker 1: Exactly so, the Japanese Prime Minister Snai Takeichi visited, she
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Speaker 1: brought albinizia ceremonial melon, and he then went and made
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Speaker 1: this tasteless and sexist gag about it on a podcast.
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Speaker 2: Let's have a look.
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Speaker 6: Japanage prime minister brought a melon.
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Speaker 2: She she smuggled it.
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Speaker 6: I don't know. I got a couple of melons she
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Speaker 6: brought too. She brought too as you do.
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Speaker 2: She just came in looking like Pamela Randa.
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Speaker 13: She brought to yes, and they're beautiful.
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Speaker 1: It's so inappropriate, so offensive, And I mean you're a
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Speaker 1: former diplomat, Dave, I mean, how would that go down
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Speaker 1: with Sunai Takeichi?
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Speaker 6: It's gone down terribly with Japan.
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Speaker 12: And then Japan is too dignified and plied a nation
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Speaker 12: to make their public and make their anger own publicly.
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Speaker 12: This is one of the highest ordered diplomatic insults you
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Speaker 12: could give. The gift was a genuine and valuable gift
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Speaker 12: which has a high status in Japanese society. And here's
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Speaker 12: the Prime Minister of Australia, the leader of our country,
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Speaker 12: our chief diplomat, making fun of a foreign leader, making
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Speaker 12: lude and sexist remarks about a female foreign leader of
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Speaker 12: one of our closest and most dependable partners. I can't
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Speaker 12: overstate what a diplomatic blunder this is. This is a
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Speaker 12: note of nuclear proportions.
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Speaker 1: And you think how hard they went against Scott Morrison
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Speaker 1: for genuinely confected problem. You know, they claimed he had
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Speaker 1: these women problem, he had no women problem. And yet
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Speaker 1: the Prime Minister gets away with jokes like this and
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Speaker 1: no one says a word.
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Speaker 12: Absolutely, you know, in the same podcast he had to
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Speaker 12: he apologized for one element of this podcast, saying I
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Speaker 12: don't even going to repeat it because it's too disgusting
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Speaker 12: for opening their But he's already apologized for one sext
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Speaker 12: element of the podcast. Why hasn't he apologized for this?
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Speaker 12: And why has no apology been given to Japan?
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Speaker 2: Very quickly, Dave, we're here.
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Speaker 1: It's reported tonight exclusively in The Australian that two Iranian
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Speaker 1: footballers who you remember, they didn't sing the Iranian national
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Speaker 1: anthem and when they were here for the Asian Cup,
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Speaker 1: they have now officially become Australian citizens.
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Speaker 2: Well, that is one good move.
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Speaker 6: That is a piece of good news, and I'm glad
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Speaker 6: we've given them a home.
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Speaker 1: Wonderful all right, Dave, great to see you, Thank you
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Speaker 1: so much, Thank you so much. All right, and let's
23:58
Speaker 1: turn to Tony Burke now, because as Dave just said,
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Speaker 1: he did pull the pin on a major migration speech
24:03
Speaker 1: which was supposed to go ahead tomorrow at the Press Club. Now,
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Speaker 1: a spokesman says that some elements wouldn't be finalized by Thursday,
24:11
Speaker 1: but behind the scenes they's said to be cabinet angst
24:14
Speaker 1: an internal division over changes to the migration policy. And
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Speaker 1: for more, let's bring in News twenty four contributor Joe
24:21
Speaker 1: Hildebrand did I show and former John Howard.
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Speaker 2: Advisor David Gazard.
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Speaker 1: Great to see both now, Joe, is this labor panicking
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Speaker 1: over the rise of one nation and different factions not
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Speaker 1: agreeing on whether or not they should lower the migration level.
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Speaker 14: I think it's labor probably not panicking enough. I would
24:39
Speaker 14: have thought that Tony Burke, who carries the can on
24:42
Speaker 14: every criticism of Australia's migration intake, it would be smart enough.
24:47
Speaker 14: And I think he is smart enough. He's an intelligent
24:49
Speaker 14: man to know that there needs to be a big
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Speaker 14: reset in this area if labor is to regain ground
24:56
Speaker 14: from one nation and stop. Most importantly this the flow
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Speaker 14: of blue collar workers from labor to One Nation, which
25:03
Speaker 14: is now the most popular political party among blue collar workers.
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Speaker 14: Labor has to get those voters back. Tony Burke is
25:10
Speaker 14: smart enough to know this, and so what I suspect
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Speaker 14: has happened is that he has developed a policy that
25:16
Speaker 14: does and we've seen elements of that sort of be leaked,
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Speaker 14: for example, you know, favoring people and I don't think
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Speaker 14: it is actually stamping out skilled migration, but rather giving
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Speaker 14: preference to migrants who are already on shore over those
25:32
Speaker 14: overseas in those categories. But he's smart enough to know
25:35
Speaker 14: that that's what has to happen, and I suspect that
25:37
Speaker 14: perhaps the left wing dominated cabinet is just catching up
25:42
Speaker 14: on that blindingly obvious fact.
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Speaker 1: Well, I mean, Dave, the reality is Alban Easy for
25:47
Speaker 1: most of his time as Prime Minister since twenty twenty two,
25:50
Speaker 1: has run a big Australia agenda. He never told the
25:54
Speaker 1: election that this is what he was going to do,
25:56
Speaker 1: but it's record heighs.
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Speaker 15: What this shows really is how any of these sort
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Speaker 15: of speeches for policy on immigration has the lightning rod
26:07
Speaker 15: for anks within the ministry, within the caucus and now
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Speaker 15: in cabinet. In my time working in politics, go back
26:17
Speaker 15: to John Howard's time with the Tampa. We stop the
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Speaker 15: boats on all these policies over seven or eight election cycles,
26:26
Speaker 15: there has been descent within the Labor Party, particularly among
26:29
Speaker 15: the left, over the extent and the size the quantum
26:36
Speaker 15: of people who should be allowed to come here, whether
26:39
Speaker 15: or not brought both people smugglers or whether they're coming
26:42
Speaker 15: in under the vastly expanded immigration program run by this government.
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Speaker 15: So it surprises me not one whit that Burke takes
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Speaker 15: his policy to the cabinet and is held down with
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Speaker 15: those in the left who want to have an expansive program,
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Speaker 15: which she's causing, as Joe has just noted, a flee
27:06
Speaker 15: of voters who are a sick a side of some
27:08
Speaker 15: of the policy ramivocations or the practical ramvocations of there's
27:12
Speaker 15: policy I mean, and you know, you.
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Speaker 1: Bring up some of those policies and comments that former
27:18
Speaker 1: Prime Minister John Howard made and he was really able
27:21
Speaker 1: to connect and cut.
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Speaker 2: Through to voters.
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Speaker 1: I mean, even with similar I think the coalition has
27:26
Speaker 1: pretty similar figures or similar policy.
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Speaker 2: To one nation.
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Speaker 1: But you know, Pauline's really cutting through with her policy
27:34
Speaker 1: at the moment, and they're not all right. Let's turn
27:36
Speaker 1: to Chris Bowlin at the Press Club today, and he
27:38
Speaker 1: tried to spin the fact that Labor was failing to
27:41
Speaker 1: make its eighty two percent renewable target by twenty thirty have.
27:44
Speaker 2: A look.
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Speaker 13: Making very good progress on many elements of our transition.
27:49
Speaker 13: There's others where we're facing headwinds which we've always been
27:51
Speaker 13: frank about. We've faced the international circumstances of now two
27:54
Speaker 13: global energy shocks in our four years. If you ask
27:57
Speaker 13: the question, is it on me? Yes, that's my job.
28:00
Speaker 13: I'm not famous for walking away from my responsibilities. I
28:04
Speaker 13: run into them, embraced them, and do my best to
28:06
Speaker 13: deliver on them.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. So Joe it is on him and he has failed.
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Speaker 14: Yeah, I guess so. I mean, I guess we'll know
28:13
Speaker 14: by twenty thirty five and twenty fifty. But I think
28:16
Speaker 14: it's certainly the targets are heroic. I don't think anyone
28:20
Speaker 14: really much like the housing targets, seriously thinks that we're
28:23
Speaker 14: going to get there. It's just something to aspire to
28:26
Speaker 14: and work towards and sort of remind us, I guess
28:29
Speaker 14: you know what we're supposed to be doing. I don't
28:31
Speaker 14: mind the solar discounts for business at all, or the
28:35
Speaker 14: increasing of the threshold to more powerful or higher capacity
28:40
Speaker 14: solar panels. I think in fact, this is the solution
28:42
Speaker 14: I've certainly privately and I think publicly advocated for solar
28:47
Speaker 14: panels as one of Australia's great climate success stories. The
28:51
Speaker 14: take up has far exceeded anything that was expected and
28:55
Speaker 14: the cost has plummeted compared to what the projections were.
28:58
Speaker 14: So I think, you know, again, don't don't pick winners.
29:01
Speaker 14: Just look at what the market is picking as a
29:03
Speaker 14: winner and say, yes, if we can extract every last
29:06
Speaker 14: bit of electricity from solar and do it in a
29:08
Speaker 14: way that helps businesses instead of imposing more problems on them,
29:13
Speaker 14: then that's fantastic.
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Speaker 1: But Joe, I mean, solar panels are all well and good.
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Speaker 1: But David, the issue is that Chris Bowen's handling of
29:19
Speaker 1: this so called energy transition has been a disaster. It's
29:23
Speaker 1: directly cause families an enormous cost on their power prices.
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Speaker 16: Yeah, it has.
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Speaker 9: I mean.
29:30
Speaker 15: The one thing I'm with Joe a little bit on
29:32
Speaker 15: this in that there is available rooftop for business and
29:37
Speaker 15: there are some very innovative programs that are coming out
29:40
Speaker 15: of the business community, out of transmission and generation companies
29:45
Speaker 15: that do rely on city areas to generate electricity. So
29:50
Speaker 15: the one thing you can say for it is it
29:52
Speaker 15: doesn't rely on thousands of kilometers of transmission lines and
29:56
Speaker 15: huge sol and wind plants in regional area where there's
30:01
Speaker 15: disquiet about the size of those programs on agricultural land,
30:05
Speaker 15: but also the way transmission cuts across valuable land. So
30:10
Speaker 15: the one area we can have a debate about is
30:13
Speaker 15: whether or not the government needs to subsidize with taxplayer
30:17
Speaker 15: money more and more solar for what very much looks
30:20
Speaker 15: like the private sector would fund on its own.
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Speaker 16: I don't know.
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Speaker 1: I think if you ask most people, they would say
30:27
Speaker 1: that this entire energy program that Chris Bowen has run
30:31
Speaker 1: has been an utter disaster. I mean, we kind of
30:35
Speaker 1: encount how many billions of dollars have been wasted with
30:37
Speaker 1: nothing to show for it except for higher energy bills.
30:41
Speaker 2: Now, when it.
30:42
Speaker 1: Gets to just two more topics before we go, firstly,
30:44
Speaker 1: I mean, we don't want the judicial system politicized. But
30:48
Speaker 1: Pauline Hanson has put forward this idea of getting rid
30:51
Speaker 1: of Victoria's what she called them, bleeding heart judges and
30:55
Speaker 1: making them accountable for the weak's sentences they had down
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Speaker 1: have listened.
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Speaker 8: So if the sentence handed down by that judge is
31:03
Speaker 8: not in line with the public believe in, then they
31:07
Speaker 8: can be called before the board. It made accountable and
31:11
Speaker 8: you're going to be put up to loosen your job.
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Speaker 1: I mean, Joe, as I said, we don't want to
31:15
Speaker 1: politicize the judicial system, but it is hard to disagree
31:18
Speaker 1: with this given how many criminals and even terror supporters
31:22
Speaker 1: are either let out on bail or given light sentences,
31:25
Speaker 1: and this is particularly acute in Victoria.
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Speaker 14: Yeah, look, I think you can obviously be very frustrated
31:30
Speaker 14: at some of the sentences handed down, again, especially in Victoria,
31:34
Speaker 14: and we've said seeing some sort of slips even with
31:36
Speaker 14: members of the judiciary sort of pretending there wasn't even
31:38
Speaker 14: a crime problem in Victoria quite famously and politicizing themselves.
31:42
Speaker 14: But again, the separation of powers in Australia, as much
31:46
Speaker 14: of a convention as it may be, is just so
31:49
Speaker 14: vital to the health of our democracy and such an
31:52
Speaker 14: incredible immune defense system against corruption that you simply, I
31:58
Speaker 14: don't think, can't afford to even dip your in the
32:00
Speaker 14: water with this sort of stuff. And I think it
32:02
Speaker 14: shows I think maybe some of Pauline Hanson's political naivety.
32:05
Speaker 14: I mean, the idea that judges. I mean there's already
32:08
Speaker 14: a capacity to remove judges by the Parliament if their
32:11
Speaker 14: overall performance is called into question, but no one ever.
32:14
Speaker 2: Does it though, I mean, this never happens.
32:16
Speaker 14: Difficult, that's right, because it's meant to because it's meant
32:19
Speaker 14: to have to meet a really high threshold. It's meant
32:21
Speaker 14: to be beyond doubt that the judges being incapacitated, and
32:24
Speaker 14: that's why I think it usually takes a two thirds
32:26
Speaker 14: majority of Parliament. But the idea that you would have
32:29
Speaker 14: a board that would call judges before it just because
32:32
Speaker 14: the community didn't like a decision, I mean, there are
32:34
Speaker 14: plenty of decisions by judges that I don't like and
32:36
Speaker 14: that I disagree with, But that doesn't mean I think
32:38
Speaker 14: that you could possibly have a politicized board that basically says,
32:42
Speaker 14: if you don't do this, then will sack you, and
32:44
Speaker 14: particularly without having necessarily seen.
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Speaker 6: All the evidence.
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Speaker 2: Okay, we've got to go out a time.
32:49
Speaker 1: Joe hilt to brownd David Gazard, thank you both very much,
32:52
Speaker 1: and still to come.
32:53
Speaker 2: How far will the property market fall and could it crash?
32:56
Speaker 2: Plus the political.
32:57
Speaker 1: Journalist who has a warning about Colline Hanson he'll be
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Speaker 1: here next.
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Speaker 2: Welcome back.
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Speaker 6: Well.
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Speaker 1: With one Nation's rise, discussion about forming an alliance with
33:11
Speaker 1: the coalition in order to win government is consuming the
33:14
Speaker 1: Liberals and it threatens to divide the party. But the
33:18
Speaker 1: Australians Editor at Large Paul Kelly has today warned that
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Speaker 1: any Liberal National coalition that included Hanson would have a.
33:25
Speaker 2: Short shelf life.
33:27
Speaker 1: The chaos and crisis on the center right would be
33:30
Speaker 1: far worse than now then it would be if they
33:33
Speaker 1: were governing, and Paul joins me.
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Speaker 2: Now, Paul, thank you very much for your time.
33:38
Speaker 9: Good to be with you.
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Speaker 1: Now, what are your main concerns about a governing alliance
33:43
Speaker 1: if it would happen with both the Conservative parties, with
33:47
Speaker 1: the coalition and with one Nation.
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Speaker 9: Well, the main point I want to make, Shari is
33:52
Speaker 9: that if the coalition, if the Liberal Party has more
33:57
Speaker 9: seats than one Nation after the next election and Labor
34:02
Speaker 9: current govern Labour's in a minority, then the Liberals do
34:07
Speaker 9: not have to form a coalition with one Nation. They
34:10
Speaker 9: don't have to do that. In that situation, the Liberals
34:13
Speaker 9: in a strong position, and one nation has got to
34:16
Speaker 9: decide whether it will support the coalition. The Liberal Party
34:21
Speaker 9: to form a government in terms of supply and confidence
34:25
Speaker 9: or whether it will support labor. Now, the idea that
34:29
Speaker 9: Pauline Hansen would king make Anthony Albanesi into a third
34:33
Speaker 9: term is obviously ludicrous. So the point is this. The
34:37
Speaker 9: point is this, if Angus Taylor is the leader of
34:40
Speaker 9: the Liberal Party in that situation, he does not have
34:43
Speaker 9: to enter a coalition government with one nation. He doesn't
34:48
Speaker 9: need to do that.
34:48
Speaker 6: All he needs.
34:50
Speaker 9: All he needs is one nation to agree to support
34:55
Speaker 9: a coalition government on the question of supply and confidence.
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Speaker 2: So that's if Liberals have more seats than one nation.
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Speaker 1: Sure well, I mean that comes down to the numbers,
35:04
Speaker 1: of course, but one nation would be looking to pick
35:07
Speaker 1: up how many from the nationals?
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Speaker 2: I mean it could be as many as ten, couldn't it.
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Speaker 9: Well this goes to the other fundamental question about politics
35:16
Speaker 9: at the moment, which a lot of people don't seem
35:19
Speaker 9: to understand. I mean, we've got now an epic power
35:24
Speaker 9: struggle on the center right of politics between the Liberal
35:27
Speaker 9: Party and the coalition on one hand, and one nation
35:30
Speaker 9: on the other. And this election is going to determine
35:34
Speaker 9: not just whether Anthony Alberizi continues to govern this election
35:39
Speaker 9: is going to determine which party is the dominant party
35:43
Speaker 9: on the center right of politics. And so far what's
35:46
Speaker 9: happened with Hanson is she is stealing and taking votes
35:50
Speaker 9: from the Liberal Party at the moment. At the moment,
35:53
Speaker 9: the poral show but Hanson's One Nation is running ahead
35:57
Speaker 9: of the Liberals and the Coalition as the dominant party
36:00
Speaker 9: on the center right. Now. If that continues, it will
36:04
Speaker 9: lead to the obliteration of the Liberals. So this is
36:08
Speaker 9: a really intense power struggle. The issue here is who's
36:14
Speaker 9: going to dominate the future center right of Australian politics.
36:17
Speaker 9: A pretty important issue.
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Speaker 1: I mean, you know the polls, as you say, Hanson
36:22
Speaker 1: sitting around thirty percent primary right. Can you imagine ever
36:26
Speaker 1: a situation. Everyone's talking about this, whether she could ever
36:29
Speaker 1: be in government.
36:31
Speaker 9: A lot of people. I think this is a really
36:33
Speaker 9: interesting point.
36:34
Speaker 1: Because no one thought that Donald Trump could poll no
36:37
Speaker 1: local establishment.
36:38
Speaker 2: The media said it will never happen, and then it happened.
36:40
Speaker 2: He was shocked.
36:41
Speaker 1: Remember when he came out that night, he was white
36:44
Speaker 1: in the face. He didn't expect it.
36:45
Speaker 9: Well, the point I'd make about about a lot of
36:49
Speaker 9: the people supporting Pauline Hanson at the moment. They want
36:53
Speaker 9: Hanson in government. They don't care about the Liberal Party
36:57
Speaker 9: at all. I mean, if you're in the Liberal Party,
36:59
Speaker 9: you're responsibility and obligation is to get in front of Hanson.
37:03
Speaker 9: But a lot of the people supporting Hanson aren't interested
37:06
Speaker 9: in the Liberal Party at all. Some of them have
37:08
Speaker 9: got this idea, let's just burn the place down, but
37:11
Speaker 9: others actually want to see Hanson in the executive government
37:15
Speaker 9: and governing. And that's why they keep promoting the idea.
37:21
Speaker 9: They keep promoting the idea that the choice in this
37:24
Speaker 9: election is between a labor government and a coalition one
37:30
Speaker 9: nation arrangement. That's false, that is not the choice at
37:34
Speaker 9: all in this election. And to the extent people say that,
37:38
Speaker 9: they are creating a really false and misleading paradigm about
37:42
Speaker 9: where this country is.
37:44
Speaker 1: I mean, these days, most people don't support a political
37:47
Speaker 1: party per se. They're not members of a political party.
37:49
Speaker 1: They just want a better country. They want a safe country,
37:52
Speaker 1: a country with a strong economy.
37:54
Speaker 2: And I think the.
37:55
Speaker 1: Verdict that many would make about the Albanizi government is
37:58
Speaker 1: that it has been a failure when it comes to
38:00
Speaker 1: the economy and the property market, and it has been
38:03
Speaker 1: a failure when it comes to social cohesion, national security
38:07
Speaker 1: and counter terrorism. So if people want a better country
38:11
Speaker 1: and she's got the highest primary vote, then.
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Speaker 2: What do they do.
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Speaker 9: Well, we'll see what happens when we get to the
38:18
Speaker 9: next election. But clearly it's obvious the judgment that Anthony
38:23
Speaker 9: Albanize has made, and the judgment he has made is
38:26
Speaker 9: he will campaign. He will campaign saying the alternative to Labor,
38:31
Speaker 9: the alternative to Labor is a three way arrangement between
38:35
Speaker 9: one nation, Liberals and Nationals. I mean, he's already made
38:38
Speaker 9: this very clear. This is the Labor campaign. The Labor
38:41
Speaker 9: campaign is but a vote for the Liberals is a
38:44
Speaker 9: vote for one nation. A vote for one nation is
38:46
Speaker 9: a vote for the Liberals. And Anthony Albanesi is pretty
38:50
Speaker 9: confident that if that is the situation when he goes
38:54
Speaker 9: to the next election, then that campaign will keep Labor
38:58
Speaker 9: in office. And I think all the evidence points to that.
39:04
Speaker 1: Pauline Hanson this week she announced, you know, did a
39:06
Speaker 1: big press conference to announce her Victorian team on Monday,
39:09
Speaker 1: but as part of that she banned the ABC, the
39:13
Speaker 1: Guardian and I think the Age from even covering it. Now,
39:17
Speaker 1: you know, as I said on air the other night,
39:20
Speaker 1: I have my issues with those media outlets, but surely
39:22
Speaker 1: a critical part of democracy Paul is is having the
39:26
Speaker 1: tough scrutiny.
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Speaker 9: The point about Hanson is Hanson is a publicity generation machine. Okay,
39:34
Speaker 9: so she's always got something contentious to say, and this
39:38
Speaker 9: is in many ways the secret of her success. So
39:41
Speaker 9: she's now got this this tie into the media. The
39:46
Speaker 9: media watch is Hanson. Hanson watches the media, and so
39:50
Speaker 9: Hanson can now think, Okay, well, if there are particular
39:54
Speaker 9: media organized media groups, media organizations that aren't fear to me,
39:59
Speaker 9: I'll ban them. I'll ban them. Well, that'll work in
40:02
Speaker 9: the short term, but it won't work in the longer term.
40:05
Speaker 9: How many people is hanting and going to ban The
40:07
Speaker 9: fact of the matter is the longer this goes on,
40:10
Speaker 9: the more handsome is the front runner in the polls,
40:12
Speaker 9: the more the media will scrutinize her. And you know something,
40:17
Speaker 9: she doesn't like it. She loves she loves the publicity.
40:22
Speaker 9: But she's got a glass.
40:24
Speaker 2: Jaw, don't She hates so many of them, Paul.
40:26
Speaker 9: She hates being criticized. She can't stand it. She gets
40:30
Speaker 9: very emotional when it comes to being criticized, and I'll
40:34
Speaker 9: tell you what, there will be a lot more criticism
40:37
Speaker 9: to come.
40:37
Speaker 1: Well, she hated the criticism from you, paul In fact,
40:40
Speaker 1: I think we've got a quick grab of what she
40:42
Speaker 1: had to say after one of your columns.
40:44
Speaker 2: Should we play it? Let's have a look.
40:46
Speaker 6: Do you care what people like Kelly write about you?
40:51
Speaker 9: Not? All?
40:52
Speaker 8: I tell you what it's really getting to amit isn't it?
40:55
Speaker 8: This elitist attitude?
40:58
Speaker 2: Yeah, so accusing you of being the elite? There an
41:01
Speaker 2: elitist attitude for.
41:03
Speaker 9: Well, all I'd say is this, I've been watching politics
41:06
Speaker 9: for a long period of time and the one thing
41:09
Speaker 9: I know is Pauline Hanson is not equipped in any way,
41:14
Speaker 9: shape or form, particularly when it comes to policies, to
41:18
Speaker 9: have any say in the government of this country. And
41:22
Speaker 9: that's what I'll be saying pretty regularly from now on.
41:26
Speaker 2: Poor Kelly.
41:26
Speaker 1: And I've got to mention your book because I was
41:28
Speaker 1: away when you launched it. But a huge congratulations on
41:31
Speaker 1: your book, The Twilight of Exceptionalism.
41:34
Speaker 6: Thanks so much, it's going well, look.
41:36
Speaker 2: Forward to reading it. Thank you, Thank you so much
41:38
Speaker 2: for being here.
41:38
Speaker 6: Look you.
41:40
Speaker 2: All right to come.
41:41
Speaker 1: Business leaders have come out in droves to accuse the
41:44
Speaker 1: Albanezy government of creating a productivity crisis, and property owners
41:49
Speaker 1: have been warned the worst is still to come as
41:52
Speaker 1: they brace for more price lights. Now that's with a
41:55
Speaker 1: former Treasury insider after the break.
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Speaker 2: Thanks for tuning in.
42:01
Speaker 6: Well.
42:01
Speaker 1: The Prime Minister's former economics advisor has ripped into Labor
42:05
Speaker 1: for its disastrous tax changes. Alex Sanchez revealed that he's
42:09
Speaker 1: trying to convince alban Easy against the capital gains tax overhaul.
42:14
Speaker 1: Joining me now to discuss is former Treasury Assistant Secretary
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Speaker 1: David Pearl. David, great to see you now. Alex is
42:21
Speaker 1: a good friend of yours, I assume from Treasury days.
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Speaker 2: What did you make of his comments? Do you agree?
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Speaker 16: Good to be with you, Sharry, Alex is a friend
42:32
Speaker 16: of mine from the year I spent working as an
42:36
Speaker 16: advisor to Kevin Rudd in the early two thousands. We
42:39
Speaker 16: befriended each other. Then we were the only two people
42:44
Speaker 16: in the operation. It seemed even then who thought that
42:49
Speaker 16: Labour's policy high point was achieved under the hawk keeping era.
42:54
Speaker 16: I went back to Treasury. I never joined the party,
42:56
Speaker 16: but Alex remained loyal and and I can say it
43:01
Speaker 16: pained him to make these public criticisms today, but I
43:05
Speaker 16: think the party's completely deserted economic rationalism.
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Speaker 1: So what is his main concern is it's about the
43:12
Speaker 1: capital gains tax specifically, or all of the tax changes.
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Speaker 16: His concerns go way beyond the capital gains tax changes.
43:24
Speaker 16: As he said in his public comments, he urged ministers
43:30
Speaker 16: that the personal income tax rate should come down for
43:34
Speaker 16: the top to the thirties, which is the position the poor,
43:37
Speaker 16: Key Eating and Bill Kelty have adopted. He also wanted
43:42
Speaker 16: a more competitive corporate tax rate to attract international capital.
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Speaker 16: He also, as you refer, had concerns with the capital
43:50
Speaker 16: gains tax hik. He recognizes, like all economists and many
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Speaker 16: intelligent people in the community, that if you over tax
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Speaker 16: savings and investment, you kill growth and productivity and ultimately
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Speaker 16: hurt living standards.
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Speaker 1: I mean the other picture of this is now we
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Speaker 1: are seeing the tangible impact the fact that house prices
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Speaker 1: are falling. I mean, NAB has now revised down its
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Speaker 1: house price forecasts, predicting they could drop by ten percent.
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Speaker 1: I mean the falls in some areas are much greater
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Speaker 1: than this. How far do you think this will go?
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Speaker 16: Looksure, I think this media analysis in recent days is
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Speaker 16: a bit hysterical. Just to put things in context, national
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Speaker 16: house prices have declined by less than two percent from March.
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Speaker 6: They're a lot.
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Speaker 16: Higher than they were at the beginning of last year
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Speaker 16: when the RBA started cutting the cash rate, and they're
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Speaker 16: fifty percent higher than they were in twenty twenty. I'm
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Speaker 16: not minimizing the distress that homeowners and investors experience when
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Speaker 16: house prices dip a little bit. I don't think that
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Speaker 16: there is any chance of a crash other than this
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Speaker 16: one scenario. We have to get back to inflation. We
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Speaker 16: still have an inflation crisis in this country. The media
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Speaker 16: seems to have grown bored about that. That's why interest
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Speaker 16: rates are rising, and that's why house prices are coming
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Speaker 16: off a little bit. House prices falling is one of
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Speaker 16: the ways that higher cash rates slow activity in the
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Speaker 16: economy and bring down inflation. Now, if Jim Chalmers was
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Speaker 16: an addicted to spending, we wouldn't have had to have
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Speaker 16: had these cash rate increases. But the thing that really
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Speaker 16: would hurt the housing market is the economy crashing, And
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Speaker 16: the economy would crash if the RBA and the government
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Speaker 16: do not get on top of inflation. Inflation expectations get
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Speaker 16: out of control, and then interest rates have to rise
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Speaker 16: far higher to put the genie back in the bottle.
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Speaker 16: So that would crash the economy and the housing market.
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Speaker 16: So just people need to put things in perspective and
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Speaker 16: not forget that we haven't got on top of inflation yet.
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Speaker 2: No, that's so true.
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Speaker 1: And just in response to your comments about the property market,
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Speaker 1: I mean, we have seen a lot of people worried
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Speaker 1: that they're now in negative equity, particularly first home buyers.
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Speaker 1: And you know, I had Tom Panos on the show
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Speaker 1: last night, I think, and he said last weekend he
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Speaker 1: went to many auctions, not a single bidder, no one
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Speaker 1: even registered it. So I mean, this is this is
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Speaker 1: the real effect that people are noticing on the ground.
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Speaker 2: Very very quickly.
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Speaker 1: Before you go, Treasury's most senior tax official, Diane Brown,
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Speaker 1: is stepping down. She oversaw this condemned tax policy overhaul.
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Speaker 1: Do you think there's anything suspicious about this timing? Or
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Speaker 1: it's just time for her to retire.
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Speaker 16: It could be entirely innocent, But when somebody disappears from
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Speaker 16: the pollit bureau in the Soviet Union, usually there's more
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Speaker 16: to it. Rob Heffern screwed up tax reform a few
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Speaker 16: years ago. He was in Dane's position and he was
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Speaker 16: kicked out David Parker under the mining tax. So there
47:04
Speaker 16: is a bit of a tradition that when tax reform
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Speaker 16: is not well received, the head of revenue group cops it.
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Speaker 16: I'm not saying that happened in this case.
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Speaker 2: Yep, all right, David Pearl, thank you very much for
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Speaker 2: your time. Appreciate it still to come.
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Speaker 1: The Irish jet that can't land in fog because it
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Speaker 1: pulled out is Israeli navigation system.
47:27
Speaker 2: It's after the break and welcome back.
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Speaker 1: We can reveal there's been a shocking incident at a
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Speaker 1: Sydney high school where a toilet block has been vandalized
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Speaker 1: with vile anti semitism and it was found by a
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Speaker 1: horrified student. This is at Hunter's Hill High School where
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Speaker 1: a student had to alert the principle after finding this
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Speaker 1: disgusting graffiti.
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Speaker 2: We've had to blurs some of it.
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Speaker 1: It's too graphic to show, but it's clearly a stereotype
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Speaker 1: depiction with racial slurs and Nazi simp Joining me now
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Speaker 1: is Hunter's Hill counselor Carol Tanous Sleeman, who's also vice
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Speaker 1: president of the New Southellis Liberal Party and the Liberal
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Speaker 1: Women's Council New South Wales President.
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Speaker 2: Great to see you. You've been dealing with the principal
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Speaker 2: on this. What's happened here?
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Speaker 1: Look?
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Speaker 17: In short, the matter was raised to the school's attention
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Speaker 17: by the parents of this young teenager. The school has
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Speaker 17: stepped in, responded as quickly as possible and has taken
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Speaker 17: the steps across the process to ensure that the graffiti
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Speaker 17: has been removed, that the teenager is doing well, and
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Speaker 17: more importantly that in an investigation is underway and.
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Speaker 1: They had to block off the whole toilet block Is
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Speaker 1: that right?
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Speaker 3: Yes?
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Speaker 16: I did, Yes, they did.
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Speaker 17: They've had to block it off and police have been
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Speaker 17: involved and they are currently investigating it the moment.
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Speaker 1: Now, Now, this is an area that you've done a
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Speaker 1: lot of work on. Yes, the issue of anti Sabmitism
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Speaker 1: in the community. Are you seeing a lot in the
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Speaker 1: hunter Seal area?
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Speaker 17: Look, no, we're you know, we're a very small suburb,
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Speaker 17: but a very proud suburb. We've got about three percent
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Speaker 17: of population is Jewish, but we have a wonderful, wonderful
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Speaker 17: Monophori nurse in home, we've been more pragmatic. This is
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Speaker 17: not an isolated event at Huntersville High School. There have
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Speaker 17: been previous reports. Under former leadership. We also had an
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Speaker 17: incident a year ago outside the office of Honorable Anthony
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Speaker 17: Roberts that triggered us designing and implementing an anti Semitic
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Speaker 17: strategy and a framework which was implemented this and.
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Speaker 1: It's amazing you've shown the leadership on it. I want
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Speaker 1: to turn to this story before you go out of Ireland,
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Speaker 1: where the Irish government bought a fifty three million dollar
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Speaker 1: euro jet but because they'd removed it's Israeli made navigation system,
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Speaker 1: it now reportedly can't land in fog. Now this is
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Speaker 1: all because they've you know, Ireland, Carol, they blacklisted Israeli
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Speaker 1: technology in protest.
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Speaker 17: Well, look, I've I've got a lot of Irish friends,
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Speaker 17: and I can proudly tell you that a lot of
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Speaker 17: them do support not only the Jewish community but certainly Israel.
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Speaker 17: And what I would say about unfortunately Ireland's certainly on
50:31
Speaker 17: the wrong.
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Speaker 2: Side of history. The government of course absolutely yeah, well serves.
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Speaker 1: Them right if they've put out the Israeli navigation system
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Speaker 1: and now they can't land in fog.
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Speaker 2: No, they can't. Hilarious who you mess with?
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Speaker 1: No, exactly, exactly. Good to have you on the show, Carol.
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Speaker 1: Thank you, and I'm sure we'll have you back at
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Speaker 1: another point to talk about local issues.
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Speaker 2: Appreciate it.
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Speaker 1: Thank you all right, Thanks everyone for your time tonight.
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Speaker 1: We'll see you at eight o'clock as always tomorrow night.
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Speaker 2: And right now, Paul Murray in the man Cave,