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Missing Scientists Pt.3 · HOLOSKY PODCAST

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[SPEAKER_00]: Welcome back to the Hollis Guy podcast.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We are your host, I'm Stephen.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We're going into the third and final part on these missing scientists and government officials.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We were on the third and final installment of these missing scientists.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This one was the longest episode, I've done it on a while.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It is, and it's been pretty fucking rad.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If you didn't check out the last two episodes, pause this and go listen to them.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Kyle was throwing out heaters.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Heaters theories last round.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, it's, I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_02]: This one's got my brain kind of stumbled on a round.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and if, if by some chance,
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[SPEAKER_00]: You guys wake up one day and me and Kyle are gone and our car keys cell phones and wallets are left on the tables.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We're not in that mindset.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Something sauce has happened.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, 100% of guys.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Keep that on the phone, the forefront of your thoughts.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Avengers.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Because that seems to be a commonality which is bizarre in these cases.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Avengers and don't let the feed forget us.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's how they get you now.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They bombard the feed, which is a theory that's happening right here.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, there you go.
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[SPEAKER_00]: See trying to keep everybody's eyes off a William McCastlan.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And instead they throw out 15 other people that are missing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Look at these.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Look at these.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That being said, definitely go check it out if you haven't.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If you have, here we go.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, real quick.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I would also hate to be on the opposite end of the rag tag army that would form in our disappearance.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Twizzle in the way.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, gosh.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Fego and bolder hands.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Just tree isn't a tree.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Rolling.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I feel like Twizz and Brother John are probably some solid leaders there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, Dylan in the war rig.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah, 100%.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean we got we got a pretty good army It's something we love you guys.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah Okay, diving right in we're gonna start with These I'm gonna butcher these names and I apologize, especially the people that have passed
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[SPEAKER_00]: Nuno F. Gomez Lerero, the sounds right to me.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Lerero is a prominent Portuguese plasma physicist.
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[SPEAKER_00]: 47 held joint appointments as a professor in MIT's Department of Nuclear Science and Engineering and Department of Physics.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He was also the director of MIT's plasma science and fusion center.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So another big brain, not a guy that's just to be taken lightly.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, well, you know, there's that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I was going to make a wrestling joke, but you know, that's whatever.
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[UNKNOWN]: Not bad.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You still can.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I was going to ask if he's related to Eddie Guerrero.
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[SPEAKER_00]: no, maybe I can't back that up.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He might be.
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[SPEAKER_00]: In 2016, LaRero joined MIT as a professor and fusion scientist.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He studied magnetic reconnection and plasma turbulence using computational simulators and published widely in scientific journals.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He became a full professor in physics in 2021.
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[SPEAKER_00]: with a joint appointment in the Department of Nuclear Science and Engineering.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Leroro was affiliated with the MIT Energy Initiative and the MIT Calvian Institute and was a member of the American Physical Society.
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[SPEAKER_00]: In 2022 he became deputy director of the MIT Plasma Science and Fusion Center, MIT's largest lab, and he was appointed full director in May 2024.
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[SPEAKER_00]: In January 2025, President Joe Biden presented a Lerero among 10 other faculty members of MIT with the presidential early career award, the highest U.S. government honor of young scientists.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So he was, he was top of the top.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Bro, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the,
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[SPEAKER_02]: Top 10 young scientists and and I'll for ever be amazed by people that are into like physics and or not physics, but uh What was he into?
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's the physics plasma science quantum physics and all that stuff is
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[SPEAKER_02]: freaking crazy.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's some of the most complex thinking I've ever been exposed to.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It makes my brain hurt.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And the fact that he's like watch this is extremely impressive.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and he put that to work.
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[SPEAKER_00]: LaRera was twice recognized with the MIT Department of Nuclear Science and Engineering P.A.I.
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[SPEAKER_00]: outstanding professor award for teaching the courses intro into plasma physics and MHD theory of fusion systems.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If you ask me what those are, I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Let's say I'm impressed that you can read them so cleanly.
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[SPEAKER_00]: His team was reportedly approaching a functional break through a nuclear vision, the kind of development that would fundamentally could fundamentally
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[SPEAKER_00]: restructure global energy economy and render fossil fuels obsolete had they make the break through well i mean let's let's be honest they probably did make the break through yeah switching gears now that we've introduced uh... la raro
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[SPEAKER_00]: Shortly after 4 p.m. on December 13th, 2025, a man by the name of Claudio Manuel Neves Valente entered the campus of Brown University.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He made his way, trigger warning, violence.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He made his way over to the School of Engineering's Baris and Holly Building, which houses the university's physics department.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It was the second day of finals for the fall, the semester.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Room 166 had a final exam review going on for economics.
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[SPEAKER_00]: When a mass gunman entered the classroom, just as class was ending, and indiscriminately started firing 40 rounds, killing two students in and during nine.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's still unknown how valenta entered the building, but authority said he moved through a part of the building that had limited surveillance cameras and exited on Hope Street.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Do they catch him?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Not yet.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Up to this point.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Not now now, but up to this point in the story.
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[SPEAKER_00]: No, it's also strange that dude moved through the parts of the building that didn't have any surveillance cameras.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, he already pre-plotted the... Or someone pre-plotted it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I know what you're asking.
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[SPEAKER_00]: What are these two individuals out there with one another?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm about to tell you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We're going to talk about valente for a little bit.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Valente born January 22nd, 1977 was born in Torres, Nova's Portugal.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He studied at the same university as Lerero.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The Institute of Superior, Techniso, and Libson, Lisbon, Lisbon, Spain.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Lisbon, Portugal, either or.
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[SPEAKER_00]: From 1995 to 2000 after graduating, first in his class from the school ahead of Lerero,
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[SPEAKER_00]: who keep in mind, top 10 science, you know science genius, he enrolled in the physics PhD program at Brown University in September 2000.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He took a leave of absence in April 2001, formally withdrew from the doctoral program.
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[SPEAKER_00]: in July, 2008, urge a lie, 2003, the lint I lived in Providence during his time at Brown, former classmate in the institute described him as being a brilliant beginner in student or brilliant but arrogant, not brilliant and ignorant, brilliant but arrogant student.
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[SPEAKER_00]: According to Scott Watson, a physics professor at Syracuse University in a close friend of former classmate at Brown, the Lintet was, quote, often unhamp, happy, and even angry, complaining the classes were too easy and the food on the Brown's campus was subpar.
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[SPEAKER_00]: During the time, they were both doctoral students.
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[SPEAKER_00]: After leaving Brown, Volente returned to Portugal, working as an IT specialist for SAPO.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He later won the Diversity Immigrant Visa Lottery obtaining US permanent residency in 2017.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He had no criminal record, and his last known address was in the working class neighborhood of Ives, Estes, or Ives, Estates, Florida.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So.
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[SPEAKER_00]: you have these these two people who used to go to school together kind of competed in the in college and stuff as far as intellect goes back to La Rero now.
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[SPEAKER_00]: La Rero was shot in the four year of his apartment building where he lived in Brookline, Massachusetts
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[SPEAKER_00]: of December 15, 2025.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He was transported to Beth Israel, deaconous medical center in Boston with gunshot wounds, where he was pronounced dead early on the 16th of December.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Authorities opened a homicide investigation that received widely where widespread publicity.
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[SPEAKER_00]: On December 18th, authorities announced that they were investigating a link between LaRero's murder and the shooting at Brown University two days prior, the killed two and injured nine.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Authorities confirmed the link later that day at a press conference announcing the suicide of the lone suspect of the Brown University shooting.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That being volentate, a Portuguese national.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The Connecticut State Forensic Science Lab confirmed that one of the firearms found in Valente's match, the weapon used in Lerero's murder, Valente to attended, again, the same Institute with Lerero, graduating first in this class ahead of Lerero, later that same day they found Valente dead with a self-inflicted gunshot inside of a storage unit in New Hampshire.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, they, this man, they think that this man went to Brown University with the sole purpose of finding Lerero there and murdering him, which they still don't know why.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They know that they have a past together, but there was no motive as to why the Lente wanted Lerero dead.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's almost like that same valet feeling where people are almost
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[SPEAKER_00]: I guess manipulated or programmed to take out these top minds in the fields, which is crazy.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But I mean, if there was some type of, you know, be it paranormal or governmental in kind of stagnating human progress.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, it does.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, because it's, it's not.
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[SPEAKER_02]: This is strange because of the context it's fallen under about all these scientists going missing and in loft in such a quick timespan, but it's not the first time in history that we've heard about breakthroughs that have led to very mysterious disappearances and or deaths.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, at many times, if we heard the cure for cancer, and then that person go missing or wind up dead.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Same with we've heard about engines that run on water, all types of stuff.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, this isn't, this isn't the first time.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So if there is a global vested interest in which I, I still like we've talked about this before, so even I don't understand a side from money changing.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't understand why it would matter all that much if there was a new power source that came forward.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Because in the end, like us as consumers are still going to pay.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I guess it just it changes the money structure that is currently in place, because maybe they will not tycoons don't have investments in this new.
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[SPEAKER_00]: cold fusion power or whatever it is or unless unless these people behind it were we're pirating essentially free energy you know maybe they were a humanitarian where they're like this is going to be for the betterment of the world all the oligarchs need to keep their hands out of it yeah which would never happen there will never be a thing is free energy that that
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[SPEAKER_00]: No, because all the scientists keep getting murdered.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, it'll be free for the people creating it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It just won't be free for us.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's like the idea of building all these solar fields to generate what is kind of free energy, kind of.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And then they're like, yeah, we're going to charge you more now.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Which...
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[SPEAKER_00]: It...
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[SPEAKER_00]: This in particular, I know it doesn't necessarily tie, I mean, he was a scientist working on plasma physics and all that shit, which is kind of the same.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it's pretty much in the same ball field, but it is also interesting that just like Carl Gromar, where the guy got arrested and went away, this dude literally committed
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[SPEAKER_02]: disappeared to show up however many miles away to murder this man which I bet has probably never happened which is crazy yeah now that you say like that I'll I'd be willing to bet there's probably never happened where somebody is committed to crime as a
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[SPEAKER_00]: because if if you fall under the pretense that this man had meticulously planned that out, that means he had to get into and get on campus multiple times to walk the entire campus to maybe not the entire campus, maybe just the physics building to figure out where there aren't any cameras.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, which is crazy.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Even if even if somebody gave him the map,
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[SPEAKER_02]: I just feel like there's still a high probability, you still, I mean, you're still going to kind of feel lost.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You know what I mean?
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's a place you've never been before.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You've never seen and for him to go in.
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[SPEAKER_00]: hammered out and then leave they like he they can't figure out how he got into the building.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He went through a place where there's very little CCTV footage, but they know the exact point he walked out.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Exited onto Hope Street and took off.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Just that's weird.
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[SPEAKER_00]: When about his business, when about his business two days later to go murder this other guy.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And they don't know how he got in.
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[SPEAKER_00]: No, they got to
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[SPEAKER_00]: Bro, my children have to have badge IDs to get into the high school.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Crazy, crazy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Moving on to the next one.
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[SPEAKER_00]: won Jason Thomas, a chemical biologist, was reported missing on December 13, 2025 after leaving his home on the night of December 12.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Leaving his phone is wallet and all other identification on the counter.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Thomas, 45 was assistant director at Norv or Novartis Institute for Biomedical Research.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, this is a little bit different.
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[SPEAKER_00]: because it's a bio-med, as opposed to, like, rocket science, but the fact that he left his stuff there is sus.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But he worked at Novartis Institute for Biomedical Research with over 4,500 citations in chemical biology and chemo-proteomics focused on novel drug therapies, including potential cancer treatments.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He also reportedly had active contracts with the Department of Defense.
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[SPEAKER_00]: what could a cancer researcher, why would a cancer researcher have active contracts with the Department of Defense?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Somebody connect those dots for me.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Am I just missing it?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Is it just me?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Or does that sound too totally different things to be connected?
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[SPEAKER_02]: No.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, the fact that in my opinion, the fact that he's into what he's into, the bio chemical field or whatever the fuck it is, bro, I guarantee there's military applications for that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah, it's weird, but it's also crazy to me.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I feel like it takes a true psychopath.
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[SPEAKER_02]: to be like, looks Steve, I'm curing cancer and at the same time, I'm going to go ahead and create weapons of mass destruction.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm kind of really into the psychopath that does like, I didn't think about it like that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I was kind of thinking more like, could the department
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[SPEAKER_00]: that they could have like the the cure for it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm sure you know what I mean?
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm sure I was kind of going down that route but I mean if you if you're run the the narrative that it has to do with outside life, I mean you're still going to need people that
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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, because he've heard a contact stories where people have gotten weird fucking viruses and stuff and yeah, and passed away, yeah, I mean crazy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: On Tuesday, March 17th, 2026, the Wakefield Police Department announced that a body had been recovered earlier that day from Lake Kwanapauet.
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[SPEAKER_00]: According to the press release, the clothing suggests that the victim was Jason Thomas.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Medical examiner has not yet identified the cause or manner of death, but no foul plays expected or suspected.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Some interesting things I put together here on top of it being weird.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The day Jason went missing was the same day valenta interbrown university and started shooting with the intent on killing Nuno Lerero.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Also, the exact same week that Freddie Snyder was originally arrested on Carl Grumor's property with the unregistered rifle, and it's easy to assume he was going to murder him that day.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So this all essentially took place.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Same block of time.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Within a seven day time span.
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[SPEAKER_00]: where you have multiple high ranking intelligence, scientists murdered, and this guy went missing.
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[SPEAKER_02]: No ways as a coincidence, man.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Isn't that fucking weird?
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's, it's, it's how to control.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Sauce.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's also,
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like if our governments were perpetrating it or or an entity of human existence were perpetrating it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: How the hell did they figure nobody would pick up on the trail?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Or it's almost like they're fucking with us at this point.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Kind of.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know what I mean?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We're gonna make us all happen the same day.
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[SPEAKER_00]: See if anybody notices.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And the shit is a crazy fucking thing as we didn't until McCaslin started popping up.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's true.
25:52
[SPEAKER_02]: That's true.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I guess I just have a little bit too much faith in humanity sometimes.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Because of the internet solution, those guys are always on the shit.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I just I guess I kind of figured people wouldn't put it together But then again the world is big and there's lots of information always buzzing around and it's constantly bonkers The world is crazy We ain't done yet
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[SPEAKER_00]: Now we move on to these aren't in chronological order by any means, so we move back the timeline a little bit now.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Frank Maywald, July 4th, 2024.
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[SPEAKER_00]: 61 years old was working at JPL, JetPulsion Laboratories, which is NASA, specialized in microwave radiometry.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He worked at JPL from 2000 to 2024 when he died.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He contributed to Earth Science, missions, including surface water and ocean topography, the Jason III satellite, which takes sea level, measurements to gain insight into climate change, Maywald was a technical group supervisor at the Jet Propulsion Laboratory.
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[SPEAKER_00]: His obituary and his publication trail on the NASA technical report server document a career spanning radiometry, Terrahertz spectroscopy and orbital remote sensing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He managed development of the SBG-VSWIR instrument, a visible shortwave infrared spectrometer designed for the surface biology and geology mission.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He had previously overseen his successful delivery of instruments for the AMRC program and there's a bunch of other programs here that I don't know about.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Visual shortwave infrared spectrum or spectroscopy detects anomalous surface emissions and identifies materials from orbit.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Again, another guy with some satellite stuff, advanced microwave radiometry enables all weather target tracking and maritime domain awareness.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Civilian applications are for climate monitoring and oceanography.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The defense applications are for intelligence, surveillance and reconnaissance.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Technology is inherently dual-use and may walled manage programs on both sides of that line.
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[SPEAKER_00]: His obituary contains no cause of death.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There are no illnesses mentioned, and it's just unknown outside of a misuming the family at this point.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Born June 24th, 1964 in Rattagen, Germany is educated in the University of Cologne he has survived by his wife as father and a siblings.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Interies into the public memorial guest book,
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[SPEAKER_00]: From colleagues, make it clear that the death was sudden, colleagues noticed he had actively been engaging on ongoing projects and making plans for future projects.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The shock documented by his peers almost leads to believe that there's no precursor of a long-term illness.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like if he was sick, people would not be shocked that he passed away.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: These people are like,
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's, um, so there was no press release from the Jet Propulsion Laboratory.
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[SPEAKER_00]: NASA didn't say anything about it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Caltech didn't make a ride up.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Basically, there was nothing except like the medical examiner public database.
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[SPEAKER_00]: His obituary is the only public record that may wall existed and then stop existing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: JPL, the Jet Propulsion Laboratory, where he worked, is also where Monica Reza was working when she vanished 11 months later.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Caltech is also where Carl Grillmauer ran quality assurance in the new-wise pipeline.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So you're connecting the dots to these people as well.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know, man.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's a lot of names.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's a lot of information.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's basically they were all part of like
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[SPEAKER_00]: the aerospace infrastructure in Southern California.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You have Razza who was Create and Mandaloy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You had Grill Mar, who was working on the sensors for the stuff, may walled, manage the instruments, McCaslin funded a lot of the stuff, and now they're all gone.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, she worked in an area where, uh, it was all about propulsion and stuff like that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yep.
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[SPEAKER_00]: These, some of these, I don't have very much information on because like I said, they're getting added to the mix as we go.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I was just picking up what I could pick up to put out to you guys.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Next we have Joshua Kyle Blanc.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He was an American aerospace engineer.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He worked on the nuclear propulsion.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I worked on nuclear propulsion at NASA's Marshall Space Flight Center from 2019 until his death.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The block was born in 1996 and raised in New Iberia, Louisiana.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It attended Catholic High School and earned a bachelor's of science and electrical engineering from the University of Louisiana in Lafayette in 2019.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He received the Pew Family Foundation Scholarship in 2017, developing an attitude for control system on Cape I, his universities now satellite.
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[SPEAKER_00]: While in college the block, in turn, at Pelican Engineering, an electronic hardware consulting company after graduating he joined NASA's Marshall Space Flight Center, where he worked as an electrical engineer.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He worked on projects related to nuclear propulsion, for use in space flight missions to Mars, including the demonstration rocket for agile, silooner operations.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Code Name Draco.
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[SPEAKER_00]: his death on July 22, 2025, LeBlanc crashed in a rural area of Walker County outside of Huntsville, Alabama.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Does that sound familiar?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yep, that's where the S.C.C.
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[SPEAKER_02]: was, right?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yep, pay me.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Age 29.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The vehicle caught fire after leaving the road striking a guardrail and trees.
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[SPEAKER_00]: After he failed to appear at work, his parents reported him missing at 432 a.m. believing he had been abducted.
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[SPEAKER_00]: His burned out Tesla was found at 245 later that day by police officers.
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[SPEAKER_00]: His body was burned beyond recognition and Alabama state forensic officials identified his remains later.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Investigators used digital data from LeBlanc's vehicle to reconstruct his path.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They discovered that his vehicle had been parked at the Huntsville International Airport for four hours the morning prior to the accident.
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[SPEAKER_00]: His family reported that he had not communicated any travel plans and had left his phone
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[SPEAKER_02]: Dude, that's so weird.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You're right, at this point, it almost does feel like you're calling card.
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[SPEAKER_00]: How crazy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And like, for his parents to be like, we were worried he was abducted.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's, you don't throw that out anywhere.
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[SPEAKER_00]: No, we're their previous threats to his life because a guy doesn't come home from work.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, the dude's 29 years old.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe he met a girl and went and stayed at her place, you know?
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[SPEAKER_00]: For them to be like, we're worried he's abducted, go find him and they find the burned out Tesla.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Follow the the map trail and he said at the parking lot at the international airport for four hours.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Was he meeting somebody?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Did he pick somebody up?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Was like this sound?
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[SPEAKER_00]: This feels like a hippie.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Sure.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And once again, he's kind of in that like nuclear propulsion Outer space vibe that seems to be kind of riding the center lane right now phone them all at left at home.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's so bizarre, man Dude, it's it's almost like three quarters of these are phone wall left at home Which is do that's gotta tell you that it's linked somehow.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's like whatever has happened into them
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[SPEAKER_00]: it's coming from the same thing yeah it's hard it's hard to look beyond it it's hard to look beyond it next this one is a little off
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[SPEAKER_00]: Key, but also it's, it's a name it started getting thrown around here, especially in the last two weeks, and this is the whistleblower Matt Sullivan 39 an air force veteran again air force is a prominent thing we got going on here because McCaslin was an air force high ranking official you had the the murder suicide they were from right Patterson they were also air force so
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[SPEAKER_00]: Not, it's not that far of a stretch.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Therefore, it's veteran who agreed to testify before Congress about a secret, or about secret government UFO programs died just months before the hearing of an accidental drug overdose.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Matthew James Sullivan, 39, died at his home and fall church of Virginia on May 12, 2024.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Of a lethal mix of alcohol, alcohol, Prasolam, cyclobinza preen, and emipro mean.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know drugs that much, so bear with me.
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[SPEAKER_00]: According to the Northern District Office of Chief Medical Examiner, the FBI indicated an establishment that Sullivan's death could be under investigation along with a dozen other missing or dead U.S. scientists.
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[SPEAKER_00]: While we do not comment on the specific incidents, the FBI is spearheading an effort to look to connections into the missing and deceased scientists.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We're working with the Department of Energy, the Department of War, and with our state and local enforcement partners to find answers the FBI said.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Sullivan earned a bronze star for valor in operation and during freedom, and later worked for the Air Force Intelligence Agency, National Air and Space Intelligence Center, and the National Security Agency.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So he was also in and probably had top secret clearance.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It sounds like he was definitely in the know of a lot of shit.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I mean, if we are at a point where the United States government thinks for a second, a millisecond that foreign adversaries are offing our scientists.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I feel like that should be a massive red flag.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And one that they would want to nip in the butt extremely fast.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Which is also crazy that they didn't start, they didn't start focusing in on it until McCasland disappeared.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Which if you look at those first few articles that dropped when he disappeared, they started referring to it as a national security threat.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Which is a big deal.
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[SPEAKER_00]: whenever McCaslin who disappeared.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think in April of this year, they referred to him as a national security threat, then all these other threads started linking up.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, that's why people think maybe they're flooding the scene with all these other so people stop looking at McCaslin.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Which is crazy.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It is.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's crazy.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It would be, I mean, it's concerning that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: the best and brightest are some for some reason being kind of clipped and whistleblowers are supposed to be predicted.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Even though this says it was an accidental overdose, hmmm, odds are not.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Is anything ever accidental?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Not really.
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[SPEAKER_00]: No, dudes Tesla got burnout when after he said at the airport, like that's that's crazy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, Sullivan held quote, the burden that a select few in this nation have of truly understanding what's going on, retired general major general David Abba who served as the director of special programs and later as the director of the Department of Defense,
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[SPEAKER_00]: his funeral.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Sullivan was part of the quote so-called legacy UFO program, the U.S. government crash retrieval program that is operated for decades in the shadows across several executive branch agencies, sources told the poll the post.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Sullivan had personally seen UFOs in the federal government's possession and would have exposed the legacy program at congressional hearings in November of 2024, according to resources.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Other UFO whistleblowers have also faced threats for their safety after coming forward with a world-shattering information.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, dude was in the UFO realm heavy, also
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like I said, high up in the air forces ranks definitely had top-secret clearance there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Strange.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Strange is an understatement.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And it is crazy that he had so much.
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[SPEAKER_02]: like I guess investment into the UFO community because of what's and that's the thing with a story is it kind of keeps going left and right left and right right you don't know something that connects everybody because it does feel kind of out of spacey UFO to me the whole whole narrative but
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[SPEAKER_02]: There are aspects of it where you're kind of like put his it though and then then something like this pops up and you know like it definitely is yeah and then somebody else gets thrown in the mix and you're kind of like What the fuck and maybe maybe it's a half and half maybe it is you know maybe some of them are connected in some of them are just being pushed the surface not you know all of them but maybe just some of them.
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[SPEAKER_00]: or there could be multiple silence campaigns going on.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, they're shutting down the Jet Propulsion UFO crew, but they're also shutting down the UFO whistleblowers.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They're also shutting down the people that are on the cusp of cancer research stuff.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like, you know, usually I can kind of lock in on something, but this one has me in circles.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I got a few more here.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Again, he's have a little less information because I was picking him up right at the end because people were Lincoln.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I figured I put him in here, let the hollow cult do what they want with the information.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If you don't think it's part of it, let us know.
40:35
[SPEAKER_00]: Let us know what you think.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Again, we're just here to share the information in our thoughts.
40:39
[SPEAKER_00]: We don't know the truth.
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[SPEAKER_00]: True.
40:43
[SPEAKER_00]: Next this moves the timeline back a little bit to 2023 David Michael Hicks.
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[SPEAKER_00]: David Michael Hicks a research scientist at NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory passed away on July 30th at the age of 59, but the cause of death was again never made public.
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[SPEAKER_00]: No record of an autopsy being performed could be found.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Another scientist with ties to America's space program is now joining the growing list of deaths and disappearances around the U.S. David Michael Hicks, a research scientist at NASA's JPL passed away July 30, 2023 at the age of 59, cause of death never made public.
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[SPEAKER_00]: No record of autopsy was found.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Hicks worked at JPL from 1998 to 2022 and was credited with publishing over 80 scientific papers and was part of multiple teams helping NASA understand
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[SPEAKER_00]: Again, like Carl Grillmar, could possibly have information on a potential earth-ending asteroid where, as meeting Kyle, we're talking off air.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If these guys were going to blow the lid off this thing, say, here's the information we found.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The public deserves to know it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This, this motherfucker is going to hit the public deserves to know it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe these guys are saying, no, you don't want to know that don't.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, they don't.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, you got a point, but what if it's not an asteroid, they're trying to track what if it's a fucking mothership, because I mean, in theory,
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[SPEAKER_02]: you should be able to retrofit.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, in theory, retrofit the devices that are capable of tracking large rocks to track large metal objects moving towards us.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Specifically, Hicks was involved with the DART project, NASA's test to see if humans could deflect dangerous asteroids away from Earth.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He also worked on Deep Space One's mission, which tested new spacecraft technology that flew by a comet in 2001.
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[SPEAKER_00]: While there have been no public allegations of foul play,
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[SPEAKER_00]: Hicks case marks the ninth person at the time with ties to American space or nuclear secret to have died or mysteriously vanished in recent years, which set off alarm bells among U.S. National Security experts.
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[SPEAKER_00]: More over three of this scientists had close ties to Hicks, all of them worked at the Jet Propulsion Laboratory or participated in NASA's missions there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Monica Razes?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Ermonica Reza, JPL's new director of materials processing group vanished without a trace in 2025, just months after beginning her tenure at the NASA lab.
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[SPEAKER_00]: To other men with deep ties to the Jet Propulsion Labs died recently, including long-time worker of Hicks, Frank Maywald, we covered a little bit earlier as well.
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[SPEAKER_00]: July 24 of 61, again, not very much public acknowledgment of his passing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Also tied to astrophysicist, Carl Grillmar, who was murdered on his front porch, which we talked about last episode.
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[SPEAKER_00]: California Institute of Technology's research work was heavily supported by NASA.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This JPL and Grillmar was personally involved with major space telescope missions led by NASA.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So we got another one.
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[SPEAKER_00]: With ties essentially, not maybe not necessarily ties, but worked in the same space
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[SPEAKER_00]: as three to four other people.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't, it's so weird.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And if all I know is that if they're covering up an asteroid, I'm gonna be bombed.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Because that sucks.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not trying to deal with that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: No, no.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This one is a little bit.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I put it toward the end because it's kind of out there, but also kind of not, so do with this one what you will, Steven Garcia, Steven Garcia vanished on August 28, 20, 25 after leaving his foome on foot wearing a green camouflage shirt and shorts, carrying only a handgun in a bottle of water, leaving behind his phone, keys, and wallet,
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[SPEAKER_00]: on the counter and leaving his locked car in the driveway.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Garcia served as property custodian for the Kansas City National Security Campus, a major facility with a behind-the-scenes role in the American National Defense.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This job allowed Garcia a top security clearance in the building, which manufactures more than 80% of all the non-nuclear components that go into building the
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[SPEAKER_00]: and dude had access to every part of the building.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I mean, janitorial crew.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He wasn't a fucking scientist, but maybe he was there to clip one.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Or there maybe if he was sent there, maybe he was absorbed in the information, you have access to all the building.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You're getting in everywhere.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And there's a lot of stuff that goes on there that is very privy to the America's nuclear program.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Which is a big fucking deal.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Police stated that he might be a danger to himself, but an anonymous family member told Daily Mail that he was very stable and not suicidal.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Source believes most likely explanation was that Garcia was targeted by foreign spies.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Who says that without some further knowledge, which is not the first time this happened.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The test, the guy that got burned up in the Tesla, his family was like, he was abducted.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He was abducted.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I definitely feel like there are obvious pieces of the puzzle that we're missing.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like a lot of these people know some stuff.
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[SPEAKER_02]: More than what they're saying.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
46:44
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I just feel like the pattern is right there in front of us that we just were missing pieces to see it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's like it's being suppressed.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's weird.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like Cassius, their family being like,
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[SPEAKER_02]: Which is so weird to say it is or like you said the assumption that this dude is kidnapped like right off the rip No like oh, what you know this idea.
47:14
[SPEAKER_02]: No, he got kidnapped Which is or we're convinced he was kidnapped
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[SPEAKER_00]: I only have a couple more here.
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[SPEAKER_00]: People have started, again, as Kyle had mentioned earlier, linking Amy Eskridge to the growing list of these scientists who met an untimely demise.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not going to go into this deep here.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She worked in anti-gravitational propulsion systems.
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[SPEAKER_00]: was tied to the Huntsville space agenda.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If you guys want to know more about Amy, you need to go back to episode 253, we're kind of deep dove into her whole life and her studies and her mysterious death that links right up to this.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I will say that she was found.
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[SPEAKER_00]: unalived in her car and it was declared that it was self-inflicted.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's questionable it best.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Go, episode 253, go hit it up, go look at it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If we add Amy to the list, we also had to have to add Ning Lee.
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[SPEAKER_00]: who was working in anti-gravity science and huntsville.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Another one.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So you have the the guy in the Tesla connected to huntsville space agenda.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You have Amy huntsville space agenda and you have Ning Lee.
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[SPEAKER_00]: uh, July was she was a Chinese American physicist.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She's known for a research in the anti-gravity in the 1990s.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Lee worked as a research scientist at the Center for Space, plasma and aeronomic research.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The University of Alabama in Huntsville.
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[SPEAKER_00]: In 1999, she left the University to form a company called AC gravity LCC to continue anti-gravity research.
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[SPEAKER_00]: born and shank dogs she graduated from the Department of Physics and of peaking university in 1983 she immigrated with her family from China to the United States.
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[SPEAKER_00]: In a series of paper co-authored with fellow university physicists, Douglas Torre, published between 91 and 93 she claimed a practical way to produce anti-gravity effects.
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[SPEAKER_00]: While at the University of Alabama in the 90s, Lee's work attracted the involvement and funding of NASA's Marshall Space Flight Center.
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[SPEAKER_00]: However, Lee was reported to have become frustrated at the pace of the research from the Center.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Huntsville Times also reported a quote, academic turf war involving Lee and NASA colleagues at the time.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So she seemed to have maybe gotten
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[SPEAKER_00]: NASA's hit list, shit list, uh, because NASA was funding some of the research.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Lee was reported to have left the University of Alabama in 99 to found the AC gravity LCC company.
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[SPEAKER_00]: AC gravity was awarded a United States Department of Defense Grant for half a million dollars, $448,970,000.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So now we have a department of defense interests in her as well.
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[SPEAKER_00]: to continue anti-gravity research.
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[SPEAKER_00]: which is a big deal, big deal.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The grant period ended in 2022, but no results from this research were ever made public.
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[SPEAKER_00]: In 2003, she presented related findings at a minor conference titled The Major Ability of A.C.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Gravity Fields alongside Redstone Arsenal official from U.S. Army Aviation and Missile Command.
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[SPEAKER_00]: No evidence exists that the company performed any other work, although as of 2025, A.C.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Gravity still remains listed.
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[SPEAKER_00]: as an extant business.
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[SPEAKER_00]: A 2023 article published by the Huntsville Journal cited an interview with Lee's son, George Men, according to Men Lee continued anti-gravity research for the Department of Defense, but she stopped publishing and discussing her research findings upon attending top.
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[SPEAKER_00]: secret security clearance with the Department of Defense.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Hey, that's not weird.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Men stated that the Chinese government, Chinese government officials approached Lee in 2008, regarding an offer to return to China to continue her research, which she rejected.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Men further stated that Chinese authorities did not permit Lee to return to China to attend her mother's own funeral.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, when there's good reason for that, she's a big deal.
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[SPEAKER_02]: She probably wouldn't have been made and able to come back home.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She's a big deal.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If the Department of Defense is funding your anti-gravityational research, and then they tell you you mysteriously stop posting or publishing any of that research, you're on to something.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You're on to something.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Without question.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But, again, this pushes the timeline back in 2014, nearly was struck by a vehicle while crossing the street outside of the University of Alabama, Hansville, campus.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Lease has been seeing the accident suffered a heart attack and died a year later in 2015.
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[SPEAKER_00]: For Ning Lee, the accident caused permanent brain damage, Lee's son care for her the next six years while Lee also suffered from Alzheimer's disease.
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[SPEAKER_00]: On July 27, 2021, Ning Lee died at the age of 78.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Attempts to gain more insight into her work through the Freedom of Information Act, request were all reportedly denied.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, there's probably good reason.
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[SPEAKER_02]: because she was like you said she was 100% on to something whatever she was doing was a big fucking deal so big of a deal that even the FOIA is like it's not happening no no it doesn't matter or not we're not doing this it's crazy but I just I don't know there I just feel like it's all connected and I just I'm missing a link yeah for those keeping track we have
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[SPEAKER_00]: Michael David Hicks, Frank Maywald, Monica Reza, and Joshua Blanc, all worked in direct coups with NASA.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They were NASA employees.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You have Anthony Chavez and Melissa Cassius, both worked for Los Alamos National Laboratory.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You have William McCauslan, Matthew Sullivan, Jacob Pritchard,
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[SPEAKER_00]: Jamie Pritchard and Jamie Gustadis, all members of the US Air Force.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Then you have some that are kind of outside here, Stephen Garcia, who worked in Kansas City National Security Campus had all the clearance for the nuclear weapons program.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Carl Gromar could be essentially tied into the NASA work.
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[SPEAKER_00]: because he collaborated with NASA from Caltech.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He could be thrown under the NASA umbrella technically.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If Jason Thomas, who was the chemical or the cancer researcher, who had ties to the Department of Defense,
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[SPEAKER_00]: Then you have a new Nularero who worked at, it was the Plasma Scientist that was murdered.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You have Amy S. Gridge, who had ties to Huntsville.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You have Ningley, who had ties to Huntsville, and then you had, man, I keep forgetting his name, the dude who, uh, LeBlanc crashed his Tesla
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[SPEAKER_00]: So all of these are kind of in the same vein where they are connected with one another in clusters but it's almost like the clusters are also connected to one another.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's what I mean.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It all feels connected somehow.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's crazy that this all happened with like, you know, within like five fucking years.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's nuts.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's bizarre.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I do feel like there's a lot of sustenance around this one and it makes their they keep adding people every week.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So this is just what I have up to this point, which it is maybe second right now.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So if they add more, I apologize.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is what I got for right now.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Again.
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[SPEAKER_00]: mean calling saying nothing we're just saying it's connected they're all connected it's something and this would have been right around the time they first started dropping alien disclosure which is ironic yeah yeah yeah you right you right so and Matthew Sullivan was gonna go out there and tell him about it
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[SPEAKER_00]: but didn't make it that far.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like I said, this one's this one's definitely.
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[SPEAKER_02]: There's this it's all linked somehow.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I just I really do feel like I'm missing a puzzle piece.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Probably design that way.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm sure there's some reason it it feels like it has everything to do with like UFO's UAPs and it's so strange that like,
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like when I sit here and look at my notes about this, the clusters are so weird.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The clusters of people, where you have multiple people under the NASA umbrella.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And you have multiple people under Los Alamos, which Los Alamos could also be tied into the nuclear people who I don't have down here.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I have, I have under others.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You have so many people from the Air Force.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Notice there's nobody from the Navy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's nobody from the Army.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: just their force personnel.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So it just it seemed like it has something to do with propulsion and nuclear shit.
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[SPEAKER_00]: New FOs and comets.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's a strange.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's a lot like the Star Wars, the Star Wars scientists were missing or ended up on a live in the 80s.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Which maybe I'll do an episode on that too.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's probably worth it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's crazy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And they overlap, they don't overlap, but their parallels are strange.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_02]: This was good.
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[SPEAKER_02]: This was this was bizarre.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And the fact that it's so current is even more bizarre because we're kind of living it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it is weird that we're in the middle of this stream.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's extremely possibly a very significant conspiracy theory.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: 40 years down the road are people are going to be talking about this the same way they talked about.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's we talked about the Star Wars scientists from Europe.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Probably.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Probably.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but we're just putting the information out there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Let us know what you think.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But let us know what's what you think is up.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, give us your theories, because we need them on this phone.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Post them in the comments, because you're on YouTube post, post it in the comments.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Heck yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But again, it's that time.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Thanks for hanging out with us.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Hope everybody had a good work week.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Stay safe, stay weird.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And again, if me and Kyle go missing with our keys, wallets and cellphones left on the countertop,
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[SPEAKER_00]: Remember that we're in the right frame of mind to not go missing and leave our keys, cell phone and wallet on the countertop.