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SAVANNAH GUTHRIE MOM MISSING: DAY 30 · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, Savannah Guthrie's mother, Nancy Guthrie missing,
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  Speaker 1: Day thirty. Is this possible? Was the case bungled at
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  Speaker 1: the get go? And can it be recovered? I'm Nancy Grace,
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  Speaker 1: this is Crime Stories. I want to thank you for
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  Speaker 1: being with us. Look at the perp.
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  Speaker 2: Five foot nine to five foot ten. Video is always
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  Speaker 2: the best of it.
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  Speaker 3: Is there an accomplice, something protruding that resembles a phone.
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  Speaker 4: The vehicle is the lynchpin to cracking a case wide open?
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  Speaker 1: How the hey has this guy managed to outsmart the feds?
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  Speaker 5: This case is full of hypothesis, theories, mystery guy in
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  Speaker 5: a video, when in the end it comes down to
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  Speaker 5: an eighty four year old woman who's not with our family.
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  Speaker 1: Straight out to Crime Stories investigative reporter Dave Matt Day thirty,
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  Speaker 1: what's the latest?
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  Speaker 6: We are now at that one month part of the
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  Speaker 6: investigation of the kidnapping of Nancy Guthrie, and it's shocking
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  Speaker 6: that as we are moving this week is like a
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  Speaker 6: whole new investigation. There's been a lot of movement in
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  Speaker 6: the last couple of days, specifically, homicide detectives are now
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  Speaker 6: added to the case. Also the photos, the video from
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  Speaker 6: the ring doorbell camera that we had last week of
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  Speaker 6: cars at two thirty in the morning, about two and
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  Speaker 6: a half miles from Nancy Guthrie's house. Well, now where
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  Speaker 6: the FBI at first said, well, there's not much to it,
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  Speaker 6: it's not part of the investigation. Well, now everybody is
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  Speaker 6: flipping and saying, yes, this could be the braking the case.
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  Speaker 6: We've got a camera showing a car driving towards the
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  Speaker 6: house at two thirty and leaving back the same way
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  Speaker 6: two thirty seven or two thirty eight, Brian Fitzgibbons. As
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  Speaker 6: we look at the cars two and a half miles
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  Speaker 6: from the house, going back and forth, As we look
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  Speaker 6: at the right wrist of the suspect on the front porch,
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  Speaker 6: is that a tattoo? We also spent a lot of
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  Speaker 6: time talking about a possible walkie talkie communication device in
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  Speaker 6: the front pocket, but now taking a closer look, it
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  Speaker 6: appears to be an antenna sticking out of the perps pocket.
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  Speaker 6: Talk to us about what we're looking at or what
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  Speaker 6: we're possibly seeing. Is that an antenna and what would
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  Speaker 6: it be?
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  Speaker 7: Yeah?
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  Speaker 8: Absolutely, Dave.
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  Speaker 4: So, speculation has gone really in two directions with this antenna.
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  Speaker 4: One that it's a walkie talkie that the perpetrator was
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  Speaker 4: using to communicate with a driver so as to not
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  Speaker 4: leave behind any cell phone data signals. And the second
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  Speaker 4: piece direction this speculation is going is that it could
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  Speaker 4: very well be.
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  Speaker 9: A signal jammer.
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  Speaker 2: Now what is that signal jammer?
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  Speaker 8: This is a thirty to forty.
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  Speaker 4: Dollars device that can easily be obtained on illegal online markets,
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  Speaker 4: and that signal jammer will broadcast a radio frequency that
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  Speaker 4: will effectively overwhelm any devices connected to Wi Fi within
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  Speaker 4: a twenty five to fifty meter range.
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  Speaker 9: Now what is that?
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  Speaker 8: How would that be used here?
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  Speaker 4: You know, we see in many home invasion burglary cases
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  Speaker 4: these types of signal jammers being used, and what it's
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  Speaker 4: going to do is effectively disconnect those security cameras, in
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  Speaker 4: this case, the Nest camera from sending any push notifications
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  Speaker 4: emergency alerts in that short window of time while you're
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  Speaker 4: close to the device.
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  Speaker 1: New video footage uncovered of twelve separate vehicles speeding by
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  Speaker 1: in Nancy's neighborhood directly onto her street between twelve am
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  Speaker 1: and six am the very night Nancy is abducted around
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  Speaker 1: to am shocker. One of those vehicles that many people
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  Speaker 1: have identified as a Kia Soul speeds by just eight
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  Speaker 1: minutes after Nancy Guthrie's pacemaker stops connecting to Bluetooth. What
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  Speaker 1: is the significance. Let's see a look at what the
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  Speaker 1: FBI is looking at along with us. This is a
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  Speaker 1: neighbor around two miles away from Nancy Guthries's home. This
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  Speaker 1: is from their home cam street facing. Why is this significant?
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  Speaker 1: This is aroun our friends over at Fox News Digital.
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  Speaker 1: By the way, look at the vehicles. They're not just
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  Speaker 1: vehicles in the neighborhood. They are vehicles. This goes right
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  Speaker 1: onto Nancy Guthrie Street between twelve thirty am and six am,
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  Speaker 1: who is out driving around at the exact time. Nancy
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  Speaker 1: Guthrie is kidnapped a few blocks away one of the vehicles,
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  Speaker 1: just eight minutes after her pacemaker disconnects from Bluetooth, joining
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  Speaker 1: us an All Star panel. But first of all, straight
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  Speaker 1: out to Dave Matt Crime Stories investigative reporter. Dave tell
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  Speaker 1: me about this video.
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  Speaker 2: You know, Nancy, it's shocking. When you look at the video.
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  Speaker 6: You're seeing this ring camera picking up the car driving
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  Speaker 6: on what is considered a back road. It's not a
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  Speaker 6: road that is traveled on a regular basis by a
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  Speaker 6: lot of people, but those familiar with the area Nancy
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  Speaker 6: would know. This is a perfect way out of Nancy
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  Speaker 6: Guthrie's neighborhood. And as you mentioned, the two thirty six
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  Speaker 6: am marker is really important because Nancy's pacemaker attached by
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  Speaker 6: bluetooth at two twenty eight am. This is about seven
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  Speaker 6: and a half minutes later. The exact amount of time
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  Speaker 6: it takes to drive from Nancy Guthries's home to this
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  Speaker 6: location on the ring doorbell camera footage. We're seeing this.
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  Speaker 6: This camera footage was available Nancy, but it was just
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  Speaker 6: outside of the two miles circumference that law enforcement put
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  Speaker 6: up as their ring around the actual crime scene. It's
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  Speaker 6: two and a half miles away from Nancy Guthries' home,
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  Speaker 6: but again it is an area that leads away from
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  Speaker 6: her neighborhood and it perfectly catches these cars we mentioned
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  Speaker 6: a minute ago. Between midnight and six am that day,
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  Speaker 6: twelve cars travel down that road, this one at two
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  Speaker 6: thirty six am.
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  Speaker 1: Guys, this is our friends at Fox News. Let me
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  Speaker 1: go straight out to special guests joining us, Eric Drickerson
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  Speaker 1: is with US former FBI special agent twenty years who
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  Speaker 1: had specialized in international kidnapping. Many times in your cases,
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  Speaker 1: you have used surveillance video like this, and this was
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  Speaker 1: a near miss. It was just outside that two mile
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  Speaker 1: radius where the FBI and local sheriffs were looking. What
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  Speaker 1: do you make of this, Eric, Yeah, and.
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  Speaker 10: See this falls in line with their normal investigative procedure
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  Speaker 10: what they're going to be doing. Obviously, they're focusing on
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  Speaker 10: the evidence collected at the scene of the crime, but
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  Speaker 10: as they work further and further away from that epicenter,
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  Speaker 10: they're going to look at canberras. The next logical step
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  Speaker 10: would be to follow points of entry and exit to
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  Speaker 10: the community. They're going to be looking at what we
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  Speaker 10: call choke points, or where vehicles have a tendency or
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  Speaker 10: a natural tendency to flow, and they're going to be
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  Speaker 10: trying to put together additional pieces.
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  Speaker 7: When I look at this video, the unfortunate siety is
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  Speaker 7: obviously the resolution doesn't provide us details like license plate
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  Speaker 7: numbers provide insight. It does provide enough detail for them
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  Speaker 7: to follow up on additional leads and Nancy this could
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  Speaker 7: be something that is significant in the case.
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  Speaker 8: I talked about this before.
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  Speaker 11: As they open that circumference center of the crime, they're.
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  Speaker 12: Going to reveal additional information. Now, I would like to
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  Speaker 12: say whether or not this vehicle was involved in the
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  Speaker 12: actual crime itself. It is of significant relevance because it
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  Speaker 12: was in the area when the crime occurred.
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  Speaker 8: So whether it is directly.
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  Speaker 11: Related to the criminal activity or to the abduction, or
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  Speaker 11: whether or not they are a valuable.
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  Speaker 10: Piece of evidence in being a weakness, it's still a
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  Speaker 10: very very relevant breaking evidence.
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  Speaker 9: In news.
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  Speaker 1: Crime stories. With Nancy Grace. Now to Brian Fitzgibbons. You
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  Speaker 1: know him well. He is director of Operations USPA Nationwide Security. Brian,
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  Speaker 1: you and I have dealt with a lot of cases
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  Speaker 1: that were cracked because of a car. Already, our online
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  Speaker 1: sluice have identified one of the vehicles as a Kia Soul.
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  Speaker 1: What do you make of the car information?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, you're spot on here, Nancy, and very quickly online
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  Speaker 4: sluice identified that this is a Kia Soul, And I
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  Speaker 4: want to add something. Eric did a great job describing
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  Speaker 4: how they're expanding that radius with collecting video. Sources have
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  Speaker 4: reported that law enforcement has collected nearly ten thousand hours
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  Speaker 4: of surveillance video related to this case. So what does
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  Speaker 4: that say to us? This one happened, This video happened
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  Speaker 4: to come to Fox News. Okay, there are tens of
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  Speaker 4: thousands of hours that has not come to Fox News,
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  Speaker 4: and that law enforcement is going through the process of
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  Speaker 4: triaging based on the time, the location of those cameras,
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  Speaker 4: the time of the recording, and they're starting to process
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  Speaker 4: that all.
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  Speaker 1: Now a lot is being made online. It's helpful, it's
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  Speaker 1: not helpful. It's a dead end.
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  Speaker 2: It's a lead.
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  Speaker 1: You can't listen to anything you're hearing or reading in
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  Speaker 1: the media, media on the outside, law enforcement on the inside.
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  Speaker 1: But I am telling you that every bit of video
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  Speaker 1: is being reviewed by the FEDS.
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  Speaker 8: Guys.
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  Speaker 1: This video is provided to us from our friends at
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  Speaker 1: Fox News. Brian Fitzgibbons speaking of the video and whether
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  Speaker 1: it's real or not real, and sources say it is
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  Speaker 1: and sources say it's not. What about the speed he's
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  Speaker 1: the driver is flying by, and it makes me remember
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  Speaker 1: how fast Brian Coburger. He was like a bat out
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  Speaker 1: of h double l flying flapping as fast as he
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  Speaker 1: can to get out wings on fire. Okay, Coburger flying
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  Speaker 1: out of there, and the particular car that goes by
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  Speaker 1: right after Nancy guthries pacemaker disconnects from Bluetooth is flying.
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  Speaker 1: Brian Fitzgibbons.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, it looks like that vehicle's moving at a pretty
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  Speaker 4: high rate of speed, and as we've seen in this case,
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  Speaker 4: these roads are very dark residential areas, so that could
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  Speaker 4: be an anomaly to be driving at that high rate
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  Speaker 4: of speed at that time of night.
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  Speaker 1: Joining us now, Heather Barnhardt, digital forensics expert with Celebright.
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  Speaker 1: You heard all about that in the Alex Murdock trial,
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  Speaker 1: the Case Wide Open and the Sands Institute System Admin Audit,
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  Speaker 1: Network and Security. She worked on the Brian Coburger case.
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  Speaker 1: She is a co author of Practical Mobile Forensics, now
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  Speaker 1: in its fourth edition. Wow, Heather, thank you for being
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  Speaker 1: with us. Heather, I want to circle back to the
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  Speaker 1: video that has just surfaced about the video of the
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  Speaker 1: vehicles flying by at the same time Nancy guthriees kidnapped
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  Speaker 1: in her neighborhood. What do you make of that video?
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  Speaker 13: Forensic experts will be able to slow down those vehicles
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  Speaker 13: to the point of us being able to identify make
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  Speaker 13: and model. They should also be able to detect speed.
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  Speaker 13: So if you think you're involved in a crime, you're
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  Speaker 13: probably driving pretty quickly. And this is exactly what happened
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  Speaker 13: with Brian Coburger. He tore out of that neighborhood in
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  Speaker 13: that vehicle. That car was the second most important identifier
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  Speaker 13: to the DNA to getting access to Brian Coburger and
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  Speaker 13: leading to an arrest. So this could be what investigators
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  Speaker 13: need all along to identify who is involved in this crime.
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  Speaker 1: So, Heather, what about the fact that to the naked eye,
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  Speaker 1: to us, the video looks blurry?
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  Speaker 13: Oh my goodness, and my terrorism investigations, we were able
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  Speaker 13: to identify things that you can enhance this footage. Think
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  Speaker 13: about what AI can do for us in forensics. This
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  Speaker 13: is a perfect example of using AI to clean up
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  Speaker 13: an image, remove the blur or slow it down, and
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  Speaker 13: have vehicle experts say, I know that this is likely
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  Speaker 13: this make a model probably of this year, and then
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  Speaker 13: you go into the records and see who in that
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  Speaker 13: area owns vehicles that match that description, and it will
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  Speaker 13: really pare down the amount of people that need to
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  Speaker 13: be questioned at this time.
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  Speaker 1: Todd Shipley joining US digital cybercrime expert former Detective Sergeant
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  Speaker 1: Reno pd Todd Shipley, thank you for being with us.
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  Speaker 1: How will the fans go about enhancing this video?
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  Speaker 14: Well, they're going to take the screenshots out of it
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  Speaker 14: and try to figure out what they can find from
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  Speaker 14: that one particular shot and identify if there's anything that's
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  Speaker 14: usable in that shot.
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  Speaker 8: It's a pretty quick shot.
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  Speaker 14: That's moving, so it's not something that's going to be
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  Speaker 14: an easy thing to do. But they're going to take
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  Speaker 14: that video in the stills and try to enhance whatever
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  Speaker 14: they can to find anything descriptions, bumper stickers, the license
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  Speaker 14: plate obviously, if they can figure any of that out.
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  Speaker 14: The year making model obviously is important because then they
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  Speaker 14: can start tracking down who owns those in the state
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  Speaker 14: and try to figure out, you know what potential list
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  Speaker 14: of suspects he might have who owned that kind of car,
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  Speaker 14: and then start contacting each one.
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  Speaker 1: Guys. This video from our friends at Fox News.
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  Speaker 15: Someone out there knows something that can bring her home.
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  Speaker 15: Somebody knows.
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  Speaker 1: We are begging you to please come forward. Now. We
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  Speaker 1: have been given video from Nancy Guthrie's front porch. Look
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  Speaker 1: at the purp. He's ready, He's got his hands covered
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  Speaker 1: in gloves. Look to be Latex not the thin surgical gloves,
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  Speaker 1: thicker latex. He's wearing a backpack. Hey, jump on that.
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  Speaker 1: What kind of backpack?
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  Speaker 8: Sold?
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  Speaker 2: Where?
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  Speaker 1: When leaning over? What is he doing? You're about to
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  Speaker 1: find out genius pulled some foliage and he's going to
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  Speaker 1: try and cover up the camera with it. He's still
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  Speaker 1: trying to get it loose. He's still trying to crack
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  Speaker 1: it loose, leaving no fingerprints. Even his wrists are covered up.
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  Speaker 1: Keep going, keep going, there you go with the foliage.
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  Speaker 1: He's trying to cover up the door cam. Watch look
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  Speaker 1: at this. He came prepared, full on ski mask, wrists covered,
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  Speaker 1: face covered, hands covered, trying to cover the nest camera,
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  Speaker 1: the door cam. Keep looking. This could be the break
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  Speaker 1: we've all been waiting for. Here he comes walking up
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  Speaker 1: and is that a gun he's got tucked into his waistband.
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  Speaker 1: Do you see how he's holding his face down, holding
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  Speaker 1: the face down so he won't be identified. Check out
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  Speaker 1: the back reflectors on the shoulders. Come on, can't we
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  Speaker 1: track that? Can we zoom in and get the shoes,
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  Speaker 1: We can get his height, We can get so much information. Now,
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  Speaker 1: let's see the steals off his face. Bring it in,
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  Speaker 1: Bring it in. Let's see the steals. Okay, you know what.
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  Speaker 1: She may have had a heart attack. She wakes up
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  Speaker 1: and sees that that looks like a white guy to me,
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  Speaker 1: a white guy right there. You can't see it. It
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  Speaker 1: almost looks feminine. But apparently in some of the pictures
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  Speaker 1: you see facial hair over the lip. Keep looking, keep looking.
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  Speaker 1: Is that facial hair over the lip? It looks like
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  Speaker 1: brunette facial hair. Can't tell exactly. Keep the picture up there,
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  Speaker 1: Dave mac does that look like facial hair over the lip?
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  Speaker 6: It looks like a mustache to me, Nancy, it absolutely
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  Speaker 6: does looks like chin hair as well.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, from that, we are learning so much. Again, it
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  Speaker 1: almost looks feminine except for what we think could be
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  Speaker 1: facial hair. Joining us an all star panel this as
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  Speaker 1: we are also learning that buckle or buckle swabs are
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  Speaker 1: being taken from the inner circle surrounding Nancy, Guthrie, the
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  Speaker 1: pool guy, the gardener, the granny, nannies, the you name it.
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  Speaker 1: And if they're getting bugle swabs from them, I'm sure
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  Speaker 1: they've already gotten them from the family. Now, somebody please
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  Speaker 1: tell me we've strapped everybody up to a polygraph and again.
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  Speaker 1: I want to show it again, the guy walking up,
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  Speaker 1: the guy, the person the purp walk up. See he's
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  Speaker 1: even got his neck covered, thinking we won't be able
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  Speaker 1: to identify what color is. This is not just a robbery,
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  Speaker 1: just a burglary. We've been going round and around some
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  Speaker 1: people chasing their tails. Is this really a kidnapp? I
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  Speaker 1: can tell you right now. Nobody goes through all this
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  Speaker 1: to run in and grab your VCR. What has he
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  Speaker 1: got in the backpack? It is chuck full. What's in there?
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  Speaker 1: It's stuffed so much. You can see when he turns around.
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  Speaker 1: He's not going in there to take anything. He's taking
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  Speaker 1: things in with him. Okay, keep showing it. Let's go
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  Speaker 1: to the experts. Straight out to Lee Neubecker joining us
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  Speaker 1: out of Chicago, cybersecurity digital forensics expert CEO of Enigma Forensics.
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  Speaker 1: What about it, Lee? What do you see? Uh?
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  Speaker 9: It's interesting because he hunches down as he goes through
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  Speaker 9: the walkway. Had he not hunched down, you could go
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  Speaker 9: out site, measure the bricks and get us. I did
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  Speaker 9: a little bit of looking and making some assumptions, and
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  Speaker 9: I think the guy's probably between five eleven and six
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  Speaker 9: foot two. But you can also see a shoe size
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  Speaker 9: as he steps on those bricks, like right now, and
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  Speaker 9: also the first step, hold.
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  Speaker 1: It right there, right there, yes.
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  Speaker 9: Stop there. You could back up, and if you knew
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  Speaker 9: the exact size of that brick, you could probably tell
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  Speaker 9: what his shoe size is. He looks like it appears
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  Speaker 9: to be a male based on my review of it,
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  Speaker 9: but knowing that his approximate height is approximate weight, and
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  Speaker 9: if his hair color truly is black, which it appears
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  Speaker 9: to be from the one shot, but it could be brown,
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  Speaker 9: it's a definitely something to coal. I thought your comments
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  Speaker 9: about having the family members take polygraph was a good idea,
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  Speaker 9: but maybe matching up the height of the people to
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  Speaker 9: see if they match up at least to shoeshot the
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  Speaker 9: shoe size, which doesn't appear to be larger than it
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  Speaker 9: is a man.
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  Speaker 1: There's no doubt about it being a man. It's a
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  Speaker 1: feminine with feminine attributes, but statistically, this is a man,
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  Speaker 1: and it's a freaky white man. Statistically that's exactly what
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  Speaker 1: it is. Look at what he's doing, Dave Mack, What
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  Speaker 1: is he doing right there? Trying to dislodge the door cam.
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  Speaker 6: He's looking for something and him reaching down to get
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  Speaker 6: the some type of shrubbery. But Nancy, look look at
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  Speaker 6: his hands, those gloves. It looks like he's wearing two
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  Speaker 6: pairs of gloves. Those things are stretched and that hand
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  Speaker 6: is Yes, it does much thicker than it would be
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  Speaker 6: for a person of his size, and so I'm thinking
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  Speaker 6: that overglove he's got another glove underneath, which kind of
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  Speaker 6: goes back to that backpack. Why in the world would
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  Speaker 6: anybody come to an event like this with a backpack
• 21:56
  Speaker 6: so filled that, I mean, what else does he need.
• 22:00
  Speaker 6: You're talking about eighty four year old woman who can't
• 22:03
  Speaker 6: walk very far. Why would you need to have your
• 22:06
  Speaker 6: backpack all filled with stuff?
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: You're right, it does look like his clothes, his hands,
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: his legs are stuffed. What about it, Kneebacker.
• 22:16
  Speaker 9: There's several things to notice here. The center of his pupils,
• 22:19
  Speaker 9: he's centered up, looking directly at the nest camp. He's
• 22:23
  Speaker 9: got what appears to be a bit of light in
• 22:24
  Speaker 9: his mouth. You'll see when he's bending over he turns
• 22:27
  Speaker 9: on the flashlight to find the grass that he grabs.
• 22:30
  Speaker 9: But notice the shadow underneath his chin russell as he
• 22:35
  Speaker 9: puts his hand forth. Notice the glove. You can see
• 22:37
  Speaker 9: there's a bright light source coming from the front towards
• 22:41
  Speaker 9: the camera, and as this progresses, you'll see when he's
• 22:44
  Speaker 9: got the camera blocked, you can see that there's a
• 22:46
  Speaker 9: light emitting from the camera. The fact that there's a
• 22:49
  Speaker 9: shadow under his chin tells you that the camera is
• 22:51
  Speaker 9: slightly higher than where his eyes are, if that causes
• 22:55
  Speaker 9: the shadow to cast.
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: Does anyone detect a beard?
• 22:59
  Speaker 16: I think he has here, Nancy. In that one photograph,
• 23:03
  Speaker 16: you can see that he appears right there. You see
• 23:06
  Speaker 16: the dark what appears to be a darker shade there
• 23:11
  Speaker 16: underneath his lip line that could be indicative of facial hair,
• 23:16
  Speaker 16: and then of course the mustache potentially above that. One
• 23:21
  Speaker 16: other thing I think we're learning here is this gentleman
• 23:25
  Speaker 16: is very very comfortable doing what he's doing here.
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: The Guthrie family has been notified about these images that
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: have been shared with the FBI, we are told, but
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: according to the family and law enforcement, so far, no
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: one recognizes who the person could be. Because there was
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: no recognition, no one could identify this guy right here.
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: The FBI posted the images and the videos on a
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: public post in the hope in the prayer someone could
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: recognize the purp or even the clothing, which absolutely could
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: lead to a break in the case. Look carefully on
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: the purpse left strap. An individual has spotted and now
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: publicized a black star on the jacket. Take a look.
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: Let's see it. Iowed very quickly a star shaped pattern
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: in black. Look at this. It was shared widely on
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: Twitter X. What if anything does it mean? It could
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: mean nothing or it could mean a break in the case.
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: This post from trill on X straight out to Dave
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: Matt Crime Story's investigative reporter, Dave, what can you tell
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: me about the star? Because we have gone back and
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: reviewed the original video released by Cash Betel, released by
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: law enforcement, and you can see that in the look
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: there it is. Now when it's highlighted and it put
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: on X, you can see much better and you see
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: red stitching, but you can see that.
• 25:24
  Speaker 6: What do you know, Dave, Nancy, you know this has
• 25:28
  Speaker 6: just come up in the last hours and a lot
• 25:32
  Speaker 6: of people are trying to search for that particular star
• 25:36
  Speaker 6: and where it is located on other backpacks and Nancy,
• 25:40
  Speaker 6: you know we've even gone back and forth here about
• 25:42
  Speaker 6: well do you see it?
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: Do you not? It's a catch twenty two.
• 25:47
  Speaker 6: I don't know what is actually on the strap versus
• 25:51
  Speaker 6: the jacket and trying to locate it. You can't see
• 25:54
  Speaker 6: anything there, but right there you can see it on
• 25:57
  Speaker 6: his left strap.
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: Is to be a star.
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: Guys, if you look at different angles, sometimes you can
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: see it, sometimes you cannot see it. Is it real
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: in any event? Eric Drinkerson, this is a type of
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: detail that has to be chased down by the FEDS. Right,
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: every detail can matter.
• 26:18
  Speaker 8: Yeah, and it's mancy.
• 26:20
  Speaker 7: It's a relevant detail because it serves two purposes.
• 26:23
  Speaker 17: Really.
• 26:24
  Speaker 8: Number one, the uniqueness of that star could help determine
• 26:29
  Speaker 8: where that article of clothing or that backpack came from.
• 26:32
  Speaker 8: That's an important detail. And the second point is it
• 26:36
  Speaker 8: can help in asking for public assistance. This is somewhat
• 26:43
  Speaker 8: unique and it can help some witness or somebody who's
• 26:48
  Speaker 8: willing to cooperate identify that clothing associated with a person.
• 26:53
  Speaker 8: So either way, I think it's relevant, whether it's a star,
• 26:57
  Speaker 8: whether it's something else, just the fact that it's somewhat
• 27:01
  Speaker 8: unique to that article of clothing.
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: What about it, Brian Fitzgibbons, What if anything can you
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: do with that? A detail like that can go a
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: long way jump.
• 27:11
  Speaker 4: In absolutely, and you know it's gonna help investigators identify.
• 27:17
  Speaker 9: You know, was this a.
• 27:20
  Speaker 4: Piece of clothing that was produced with that star on it?
• 27:23
  Speaker 4: You know that's the brand's logo or whatever, or was
• 27:27
  Speaker 4: this an aftermarket thing?
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: You know what?
• 27:29
  Speaker 4: Are there embroidery shops and Tucson that have put on
• 27:33
  Speaker 4: fifty of these for a small business or a school
• 27:36
  Speaker 4: or something related to it. So you know, this will
• 27:39
  Speaker 4: be very identifiable if that is indeed an embroidered star
• 27:43
  Speaker 4: on that jacket.
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: Other video emerges, Let's see it, Dave Matt take a
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: look at this and explain what we're seeing.
• 27:51
  Speaker 6: Dave, go, this is the same porch guy that we've
• 27:54
  Speaker 6: been talking about, but this time it's a different place,
• 27:57
  Speaker 6: a different angle, and as you can see, as he walking,
• 28:00
  Speaker 6: he has a very specific gait, a very specific stride.
• 28:05
  Speaker 6: Watch as he is walking, he's got something tied around
• 28:08
  Speaker 6: his waist. Is that a shirt jacket? This is from again,
• 28:15
  Speaker 6: not the same house. We're not talking at the Guthries.
• 28:18
  Speaker 6: It's a different place but in the same general area.
• 28:21
  Speaker 6: So we've got him walking at night and again see
• 28:25
  Speaker 6: there we go a very specific stroll. As he's walking
• 28:30
  Speaker 6: it's odd, just odd to be walking at that time.
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: Yes, guys, we're getting that because we have been watching
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: you from how Tech two on X how Tech two
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: on X Now, Dave, I guess you've gotten your crystal
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: ball out yet again, and you can tell me without
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: a doubt that that's the same guy that was on
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: Nancy Guthries' porch. Oh, I'd have a field day with
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: you on cross But you actually may be right. Where
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: are you getting your deduction?
• 28:58
  Speaker 6: I'm making it up seeing a guy dressed in very
• 29:02
  Speaker 6: similar outfit to the man on games.
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: Do you just say you're making it up?
• 29:08
  Speaker 6: Well, I'm looking at the.
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: Did you just say you're making it up?
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: Well? Yeah, I mean I'm making up that. I see
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: a guy on.
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: Video, I'm hearing him, mute him, and I'm gonna let
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: him think about what he just said. Okay. In the meantime,
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: while Dave is pondering his future straight out to Scott
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: Ker joining us a digital expert, founding member of Salor
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: Analysis survey team with the FBI, You have thoughts on that,
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: and actually, Dave, Matt could very well be right. He
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: could be right, but I want to hear your analysis.
• 29:45
  Speaker 18: Well, when we're looking at that video there. You can't
• 29:49
  Speaker 18: really tell if it's the same guy or not. But
• 29:51
  Speaker 18: what I don't know is when was that taken? Uh
• 29:55
  Speaker 18: you know, was it close to near Nancy Cuthrie's house.
• 30:00
  Speaker 18: Interesting to see after this person walks past the camera
• 30:03
  Speaker 18: that a police car comes by, so someone called the
• 30:06
  Speaker 18: cops on him and maybe he was identified. Is this
• 30:09
  Speaker 18: one of the homeless encampment people that are walking around
• 30:12
  Speaker 18: at night that just happened to be passing by this house.
• 30:16
  Speaker 18: Either way, the important part is is neighbors or people
• 30:19
  Speaker 18: in the area are providing their camera information to the authorities.
• 30:24
  Speaker 18: Hopefully not just on X as you said, this gentleman
• 30:27
  Speaker 18: had posted, but they're posted and giving it to law
• 30:29
  Speaker 18: enforcement so they can piece it together just to see
• 30:32
  Speaker 18: if it's relevant or not.
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: Okay, let's see him walk by again. Let me see
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: that portion where he is walking by, if you can
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: rack it back up there he goes. Look at that.
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: Is he wearing a hoodie or is he wearing a
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: baseball cap? He definitely has on a backpack with reflective
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: lights on it. I can see them and they're on
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: the shoulders just like the porch guy. Is he Dave Mac,
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: you're out of You're off probation. Let's say look at
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: that again, Dave. Look at this is the jacket he's
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: got wrapped around his waist, the one that he's later
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: wearing in the Nancy Guthrie porch video. I mean, you
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: may not be had from Dave Matt, but you're still
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: on double secret probation. Mac for saying you made something up,
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: But what else are you discerning from it? Very quickly?
• 31:29
  Speaker 6: I know, I was just really trying to point out
• 31:31
  Speaker 6: Nancy when we're looking at this video from the same
• 31:35
  Speaker 6: neighborhood at night, as like you're pointing out you've got
• 31:38
  Speaker 6: a police car actually turning around in the neighborhood. What
• 31:43
  Speaker 6: are the odds that we've got multiple people on any
• 31:46
  Speaker 6: night other than Halloween walking in a neighborhood at night,
• 31:50
  Speaker 6: dressed up in a very similar outfit to the person
• 31:53
  Speaker 6: we see later at one forty seven am or thereabouts
• 31:57
  Speaker 6: on Nancy Guthrie's front porch.
• 32:01
  Speaker 15: To whoever has her or knows where she is. But
• 32:12
  Speaker 15: it's never too late, and you're not lost oi alone,
• 32:24
  Speaker 15: and it is never too late to do the right thing.
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace video that has emerged online
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: on social we see yet another video that has been posted.
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: It appears to be a white or Hispanic male on
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: the front porch, reportedly from a home in the vicinity
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: of Nancy Guthries's home where she was kidnapped. This is
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: an example of one of the many many videos reportedly
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: caught on door cam surveillance cam and posted. This as
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: a composite has been released. But first, back to the
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: video we just showed. Let's see that again. This guy
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: featured in this video has not been named as a
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: suspect a person of interest in anything in relation to
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: Nancy Guthrie's case. Tammy Baller joining US DNA crime scene consultant,
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: crime scene investigation and reconstruction expert, law enforcement liaison at
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: AUTHRAM Labs, and former DNA criminalist in the San die
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: Go Police Department crime Lab. Timmy, it's really important that
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: we don't have a wild goose chase for the wrong guy.
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: But please, everybody keep sending your videos, your door cams,
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: your everything, because you never know when you're gonna hit.
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: All Right, this guy we're showing you, let's see him again.
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: No one is naming him as a defendant. Or a
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: purp or a co defendant in this case, Timmy Ballard,
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: why is it so important that the wrong person is
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: not named?
• 34:38
  Speaker 17: You do not want to follow a pathway and lose
• 34:44
  Speaker 17: valuable time. So at this point, excluding somebody is as
• 34:48
  Speaker 17: important as including somebody. So whatever information that you can get,
• 34:53
  Speaker 17: whatever items of evidence you can get to include or
• 34:56
  Speaker 17: exclude somebody, is very, very critical. It's time.
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: Door cams, surveillance cams, yard cams, hunting cams, wildlife cams
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: are being combed at this hour. Much of that video
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: is being posted online. Much of it is being sent
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: to the FBI. They want it. We keep hearing about
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: the tens of thousands of tips that are pouring in.
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: That's their job. They have an entire and elite crew
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: set up joining me Scott Aiker, Digital Forends, It's expert
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: founding member of the Cellular Analysis Survey Team cast with
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: the FBI. They are the people, the women and men
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: you can thank for pulling up that front door video.
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: Let's see it because it's amazing. Remember Sheriff Nanos said
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: at the beginning, Oh shucks, everybody, it's it's just such
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: a terrible coinky ink that Nancy Guthrie did not have
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: a subscription to her Nest because if she had paid
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: that extra eight ninety nine a month, then we have
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: the videos of the perp. Darny, darn, darn. The FBI
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: was finally invited in. They cannot just come in unrequested,
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: and they used their cast team to comb all of
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: the data points, literally trillions of data points of information
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: through Google who owns Nest. Guthrie had a Nest cam,
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: a Nest system, and out of all of those trillions
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: of points of data, they find Nancy Guthrie's little idy
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: biddy dorcam and they resurrect this. It's amazing. So Scott,
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: who is wading through all of these videos like the
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: one we're just saying, guy not a suspect. That's an
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: example of some of the video that are being sent in.
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: Who is doing it?
• 37:06
  Speaker 19: Well, You've got probably a hundred analysts in the command
• 37:10
  Speaker 19: post and some being working remotely going through all these
• 37:14
  Speaker 19: tips and ring camera and Nest camera video to try
• 37:19
  Speaker 19: to collate and figure out which is important, which is
• 37:23
  Speaker 19: not important, and kind of matching up movement of people
• 37:27
  Speaker 19: through different cameras, just like this Nest camera. That cast
• 37:32
  Speaker 19: was able to get We had a good relationship with
• 37:36
  Speaker 19: Google over the years dealing with their location information, so
• 37:41
  Speaker 19: when we heard that the Nest camera was being used,
• 37:45
  Speaker 19: we were able to contact those partners and they were
• 37:48
  Speaker 19: able to pull that video. So this is fantastic that
• 37:51
  Speaker 19: we got this. There's going to be tons of people
• 37:54
  Speaker 19: going through all the videos and tips that people are
• 37:57
  Speaker 19: providing from their cameras in the neighborhood for that whole month,
• 38:02
  Speaker 19: as we've heard that the police department and FBI are
• 38:05
  Speaker 19: asking for a video from a month almost a month back,
• 38:08
  Speaker 19: so it's going to be a ton of work.
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: I want to move now off of the video of
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: possibly an unrelated guy on a porch that somebody sent
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: in reportedly from Nancy Guthrie's neighborhood. There he is on top,
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: not a suspect, not a person of interest, but whoever
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: sent it is well intentioned. This is some USA news
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: HQ on X that's where it was posted at this hour.
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: We have a composite. Dave Mac joining me. Let's look
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: directly at the composite. Don't dilute it with any other
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: video or photo. Please, let's look directly at the composite.
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: Dave Mac tell me about the composite from where did
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: it come?
• 38:53
  Speaker 6: Well, Nancy, the FBI created this composite. When we saw
• 38:59
  Speaker 6: them putting up the tent to do measurements in that
• 39:02
  Speaker 6: entry way, they were looking for ways to figure out height, weight,
• 39:06
  Speaker 6: and everything else. They've taken all of their knowledge of
• 39:09
  Speaker 6: breaking down the video and as we just mentioned a
• 39:11
  Speaker 6: minute ago, we don't know what we're not being shown. Okay,
• 39:15
  Speaker 6: what we're being shown is one thing, But they, being
• 39:18
  Speaker 6: the FBI and the Sheriff's Department, probably have a whole
• 39:21
  Speaker 6: lot more than their sharing with us.
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: But this composite sketch is very specific.
• 39:26
  Speaker 6: Look at the facial hair, Nancy, and how we all
• 39:30
  Speaker 6: can you and thought he's got a mustache, possibly a goatee. Well,
• 39:34
  Speaker 6: this is a very specific look also very specific hairling.
• 39:39
  Speaker 6: And we know that the person seen on the porch
• 39:43
  Speaker 6: wearing a hat covering his head.
• 39:46
  Speaker 2: And so they've been able to come up with this based.
• 39:48
  Speaker 6: On all of the knowledge they have and all of
• 39:51
  Speaker 6: the background in developing a composite. Look at that right there,
• 39:56
  Speaker 6: you've got that nit hat pulled down tight. Yet they're
• 39:59
  Speaker 6: able to come up with the type of hair they
• 40:01
  Speaker 6: expect to see on this individual a lot of work
• 40:04
  Speaker 6: going into this and using everything possible to come up
• 40:07
  Speaker 6: with height, weight, and again the actual look of the individual.
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: So let me understand this, Dave mac This is not
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: an official sketch. This is not released by the FBI,
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: and this is not released by Nanas.
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: No, it is.
• 40:22
  Speaker 6: A retired prime sketch artist out of Houston named Lois Gibson.
• 40:28
  Speaker 6: And she did this unofficially, not asked or invited, just
• 40:31
  Speaker 6: did it out of her own background and knowledge and
• 40:36
  Speaker 6: wrote this and drew the sketch. The FBI has given
• 40:41
  Speaker 6: us the basic parameters of the height of a male
• 40:44
  Speaker 6: who is five foot nine to five foot ten, average
• 40:46
  Speaker 6: build and wearing the black twenty five literer Ozark trail
• 40:50
  Speaker 6: hiker packed backpack.
• 40:53
  Speaker 15: If you see anything, you hear anything, if there's anything
• 40:56
  Speaker 15: at all that seems strange to you that you report
• 41:01
  Speaker 15: to law enforcement. We are an hour of desperation.
• 41:09
  Speaker 8: And we need drop.
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: We learn A slowed down look at the porch guy
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: reveals what appears to be a cell phone display in
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: the background. Is that why Sheriff Nanos, in his wisdom,
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: continues to say there is an accomplice? Also, do we
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: see identifying markers of a walkie talkie peeking out of
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: the porch Guy's pocket. I want to identify what appears
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: to be and it seems to be convincing. In a
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: slow mo of the porch guy video, there appears to
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: be a cell phone display off to the side. Now
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: I want to see that still isolated, still, and I
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: want to see it in slow mo. So if I
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: could get the control room to show that as I
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: go to the guests with me and All Star panel
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: to make sense of what we are learning right now.
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: Straight out to Dave Matt, Crime Stories investigative reporter, Wow,
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: you really have to slow it down to see it,
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: Dave Matt. Should I believe Nano's or my lying eyes?
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: That looks like a cell phone display, Dave.
• 42:38
  Speaker 6: Looks like one to me too, Nancy, And yeah, you
• 42:40
  Speaker 6: got to slow it down, but you can see something
• 42:42
  Speaker 6: clearly there. It's rectangular, you know, it looks like a phone.
• 42:46
  Speaker 6: Which this is something we've been pointing to all along
• 42:49
  Speaker 6: that there's got to be help here and check that out. Look,
• 42:52
  Speaker 6: you're seeing it right there on the edge of the screen.
• 42:54
  Speaker 2: Boom.
• 42:55
  Speaker 6: That is not the guy covering up the lens. That
• 42:58
  Speaker 6: is somebody else with that camera or phone.
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: Rather joining me now, veteran, try a lawyer, Josh colesrud
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: from this jurisdiction, currently criminal defense attorney, former federal prosecutor,
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: founder of Coles Root Law Offices. Josh, I actually don't
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: need an esteemed founder a cellular announce the survey team
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: to tell me what I'm seeing. Do you see that, Josh, yes, ma'am.
• 43:25
  Speaker 3: It looks like there is something protruding out of somebody's
• 43:30
  Speaker 3: pocket that resembles a phone. And this could be the
• 43:34
  Speaker 3: smoking gun that we're all waiting for. I mean, this
• 43:38
  Speaker 3: cellular phone, as we all know, has so much data
• 43:41
  Speaker 3: that if that phone is on, it's only a matter
• 43:43
  Speaker 3: of time before the FBI gets a hold of the information.
• 43:47
  Speaker 3: Hopefully we're able to identify a suspect soon.
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: Scott Iiker based on the shape event, based on where
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: we're seeing it. Thank you for circling it. That's perfect,
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  Speaker 1: Thank you, Control room. How could it be anything else?
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  Speaker 18: That's tough to I do see the kind of rectangular
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  Speaker 18: flash of possibly a cell phone. Is it a reflection
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  Speaker 18: from something else?
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  Speaker 10: Is it?
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  Speaker 18: You know? I have no idea what it is. I
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  Speaker 18: give you the benefit of the doubt that that could
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  Speaker 18: be a cell phone, and we're assuming that they're going
• 44:24
  Speaker 18: to have a cell phone anyway, it really doesn't matter
• 44:27
  Speaker 18: whether we see it in the camera. We're going to
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  Speaker 18: assume they have one.
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  Speaker 1: No, but this is a second person. It's not the
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: person struggling with the foliage Scott. It's a second person
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  Speaker 1: with a cell phone. I need to see it again,
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: please in slow mo if you can, because some people
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: suggest maybe it's the reflective backpack. I don't see how
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: that's possible right there at that juncture. Dave Matt, what
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  Speaker 1: do you think about the possibility it's the reflection on
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: the backpack, because it seems to show up and then
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: go away, and that wouldn't be so if it were
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: the backpack.
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  Speaker 2: I think it really is.
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  Speaker 6: When you look at where the suspect his standing, okay,
• 45:07
  Speaker 6: and where he's moving his hand, the backpack is going
• 45:10
  Speaker 6: to be more towards the center of the screen, so
• 45:13
  Speaker 6: you know, because he's using his left hand on the
• 45:15
  Speaker 6: shrubbery there to try to cover the lens. So to me,
• 45:18
  Speaker 6: it looks like this is something clearly being moved by
• 45:21
  Speaker 6: someone else on the other side of the suspect.
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  Speaker 2: Here it doesn't you know that's what I'm seeing anyway.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, Cole's Ruth. Have you looked at this and what
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: if so tell me your analysis.
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  Speaker 3: You know, my first thought is this couldn't be the
• 45:36
  Speaker 3: backpack because it would be obstructed by the body. I mean,
• 45:41
  Speaker 3: the backpack is on the back and when you look
• 45:45
  Speaker 3: at this, it just it resembles what any layman would
• 45:49
  Speaker 3: say as a cell phone and it needs to be
• 45:52
  Speaker 3: investigated one way or the other.
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: Well, the reason I don't think it's the backpack, Josh,
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: if you look at the backpack, there's also reflective strips
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: right here in the front, So I think that that
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: is what some people are talking about. But the issue
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: is played again. Please when you see it pop up,
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: it's disjointed from the actor. It's disjointed from him. It
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: darts in as he's already acting. See what I mean.
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: It's it's not connected to his movements, which makes me
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: think it's not the backpack. I want you to see this,
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: everybody on the panel, take a look at this. It
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: looks as if a walky talkie I'll just call it
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: an antenna for lack of a better word, is protruding
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: from the porch guy's right pocket. Look at that, I think, Okay,
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: that looks yeah, that's his left pocket. Look at that
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: left pocket. Can we can we zoom in on that
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: again and if you could give me a steal and
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: enlarge it. It looks like the antenna of a walkie talkie,
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: which further signifies an accomplice. Okay, straight back out to
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: veteran trial lawyer joining us tonight, Josh colesrut. He's in
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: this jurisdiction, good or bad that there is an accomplice.
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: I say good because it's easier to find two people
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: than it is to find one person. Plus, the more
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: people that are involved, the more likely somebody's gonna blab
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: or the more likely. Isn't it always the way, Josh?
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: It's the girlfriend, the wife, the mother, the ex, the
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: little low lady that lives next door to blurt out, hey,
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: wait a minute, I saw fill in the blank. The
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: more people you have involved, the more likely the case
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: is going to be solved. So if there's a walkie
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: talking in play, that tells me there is somebody.
• 47:51
  Speaker 3: Else exactly, and you know there's an old saying loose
• 47:54
  Speaker 3: lips sink ships. And the more people you have involved,
• 47:59
  Speaker 3: the more likely somebody is going to open their mouth.
• 48:02
  Speaker 3: They're going to brag about it to their girlfriend, They're
• 48:06
  Speaker 3: going to feel maybe they're left out and they want money,
• 48:09
  Speaker 3: who knows uh. The more people involved, the greater the
• 48:14
  Speaker 3: likelihood that this conspiracy is going to be exposed.
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: Coming up back to you, Iiker, what about the possibility
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  Speaker 1: that a walkie t that is a walkie talkie portruding
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: from his pocket? What does that mean to you Evidentiarily, well.
• 48:33
  Speaker 18: It's obviously a little more pre planned and more complicated
• 48:38
  Speaker 18: than we thought initially when we see the you know,
• 48:42
  Speaker 18: the perpetrators actually planning this a little bit better. If
• 48:45
  Speaker 18: they're planning to have walkie talkies, even though the guy
• 48:48
  Speaker 18: kind of looked fumbling around on the front porch, maybe
• 48:51
  Speaker 18: these guys are a little more sophisticated than we thought,
• 48:54
  Speaker 18: using walkie talkies to communicate for you know, security, for themselves,
• 48:59
  Speaker 18: to say, hey, there's someone walking down the street, get
• 49:02
  Speaker 18: out of there, or something like that. It means to
• 49:04
  Speaker 18: me that if that is a walkie talkie, that we're gonna,
• 49:08
  Speaker 18: you know, have to be a little more concerned that
• 49:10
  Speaker 18: these guys are more professional than we thought.
• 49:14
  Speaker 15: We need to know without it doubt that she's alive
• 49:20
  Speaker 15: and that you have her. We want to hear from you,
• 49:25
  Speaker 15: and we are ready to listen. Please reach out to us.
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: I want you to take a look at video. It
• 49:39
  Speaker 1: is from a Ring neighborhood app and it shows a
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: guy in a similar outfit with not one, but two backpacks.
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: Now watch this guy there, he is he's not dropping
• 49:52
  Speaker 1: the backpack in his left hand. He's holding it over
• 49:56
  Speaker 1: as if he's he's trying to get through that gate
• 49:59
  Speaker 1: and he can't do but significance. This is around one am.
• 50:04
  Speaker 1: As I recall the night that Nancy is kidnapped, and
• 50:10
  Speaker 1: this is near her home. What is he doing? Watch him?
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: He's not going to either car, He's walking off. Who
• 50:20
  Speaker 1: is this guy? Dave Matt with me Crime Story's investigative reporter.
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: By the way, this is from iamy Lee on X
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: Keep it on the video. I want to keep looking
• 50:33
  Speaker 1: at the video. Dave Matt, explain to me everything you
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: know about this.
• 50:37
  Speaker 6: Well, we know that this was at one fifty three
• 50:40
  Speaker 6: am Nancy on the same at the same time that
• 50:43
  Speaker 6: we suspect Nancy Guthrie was being or getting ready to
• 50:47
  Speaker 6: be roused out of bed and what we're watching right there.
• 50:51
  Speaker 2: You're watching the guy.
• 50:52
  Speaker 6: He's walking away like he's going back into a garage area.
• 50:56
  Speaker 6: But Nancy, when he comes back, you'll see the FBI
• 50:59
  Speaker 6: already has this video because these backpacks. First of all,
• 51:02
  Speaker 6: why is he wearing one and carrying another. He appears
• 51:06
  Speaker 6: to like drag it over the top of the fence
• 51:08
  Speaker 6: like he's looking for a latch somehow to get through
• 51:11
  Speaker 6: that gate. Me talking to somebody on the other side
• 51:15
  Speaker 6: of the gate, like do this do that?
• 51:17
  Speaker 2: His backpack does.
• 51:18
  Speaker 6: Have reflectors on it, And that's the really attractive part
• 51:21
  Speaker 6: of this from the standpoint of comparison to what we
• 51:24
  Speaker 6: saw on Nancy Guthrie's porch. But coming back over that
• 51:28
  Speaker 6: gate with that bag again, and you see he's holding
• 51:31
  Speaker 6: it at a high level as he comes over or
• 51:33
  Speaker 6: goes back. Not sure what he's carrying in there, but
• 51:36
  Speaker 6: there's look at one fifty three am. What is a
• 51:40
  Speaker 6: grown man doing in that spot at that time wearing
• 51:44
  Speaker 6: a backpack and carrying another and dangling it over a fence.
• 51:49
  Speaker 1: The other guy had two backpacks. Look at the porch guy,
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: the intruder that took Nancy Guthrie in one photo. He
• 52:00
  Speaker 1: doesn't yet have a backpack. The other guy had two backpacks.
• 52:10
  Speaker 1: Then the porch guy has a backpack. This is all
• 52:17
  Speaker 1: happening at the same time, within the same twenty critical minutes.
• 52:24
  Speaker 1: The backpack he's handling is stuffed to the gills. He
• 52:29
  Speaker 1: leaves with the backpack stuffed to the gills. Now back
• 52:33
  Speaker 1: to the porch guy please. That is from iamy lee
• 52:36
  Speaker 1: on X that was posted on the neighborhood ring app.
• 52:42
  Speaker 1: Let's get the video of him where we can see
• 52:45
  Speaker 1: his backpack and it also is stuffed to the gills.
• 52:52
  Speaker 1: I want to see his backpack when he turns around
• 52:56
  Speaker 1: is completely stuffed. How far away from Nancy's home is this?
• 53:02
  Speaker 2: Five miles Nancy.
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: There is also video circulating from February two. What's interesting
• 53:10
  Speaker 1: about this as it looks like the same guy's legs,
• 53:14
  Speaker 1: the stocky thighs, there's the backpack, similar leggings. But I
• 53:20
  Speaker 1: don't see the significance this from I aiming lee on
• 53:25
  Speaker 1: X because isn't this February two.
• 53:28
  Speaker 6: The significance is that we've got somebody that is seemingly
• 53:33
  Speaker 6: matching some of the description you mentioned.
• 53:35
  Speaker 2: The legs in a similar type outfit.
• 53:37
  Speaker 6: Again, wearing a backpack and he's out checking cars.
• 53:42
  Speaker 2: Is he trying to find one that's unlike that he
• 53:44
  Speaker 2: can steal.
• 53:45
  Speaker 6: He's just seemingly walking aimlessly trying to open a car door.
• 53:50
  Speaker 6: But again, you do have kind of a walk to
• 53:52
  Speaker 6: look at. You've got a guy wearing a backpack. I
• 53:55
  Speaker 6: don't know if this is something unique to Tucson, but
• 53:58
  Speaker 6: as an adult male, I don't wear backpack and I
• 54:01
  Speaker 6: don't know anybody that does, so it just seems like
• 54:03
  Speaker 6: an odd thing to happen twenty four hours after the
• 54:08
  Speaker 6: time we're talking about Nancy Guthrie being home.
• 54:12
  Speaker 1: If you know or think you know anything about the
• 54:14
  Speaker 1: disappearance of Nancy Guthrie, please dial toll free eight hundred
• 54:18
  Speaker 1: two two five five three two four eight hundred two
• 54:23
  Speaker 1: two five five three two four, or if you wish
• 54:26
  Speaker 1: to remain anonymous five two zero eight eight two seven
• 54:31
  Speaker 1: four sixty three five two zero eight eight two seven
• 54:36
  Speaker 1: four six three. There is a one point two million
• 54:41
  Speaker 1: dollar reward combined tonight one point two million dollar reward
• 54:48
  Speaker 1: for information leading to the whereabouts of Nancy Guthrie. Nancy
• 54:53
  Speaker 1: Gray signing off, good night, friend
• 55:00
  Speaker 9: Y