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Love Trapped with Clayton Echard · The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast

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  Speaker 1: This is the Ben and Ashley I almost Famous podcast
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  Speaker 1: with on our radio.
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  Speaker 2: It's the almost Famous podcast, and today we're going to
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  Speaker 2: be doing a deep dive into maybe the craziest thing
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  Speaker 2: to ever happen in Bachelor Nation. It was a story
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  Speaker 2: that gripped us all full of twists, lies, pregnancy accusations,
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  Speaker 2: with our former bachelor Clayton Eckerd at the center of it.
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  Speaker 2: He's got a new podcast out today called Love Trapped,
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  Speaker 2: Owens Versus Eckerd. Welcome back to the podcast, Clayton Eckerd.
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  Speaker 3: So, Clayton, let's talk about this new podcast that you
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  Speaker 3: have launching today. It's called Love Trapped, Owens Versus Eckerd,
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  Speaker 3: and it's a part of a podcast that's already existed before, right,
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  Speaker 3: Love Trapped.
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  Speaker 4: I should know that.
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  Speaker 5: I know that there's there were plans to potentially share
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  Speaker 5: more stories.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, just this one.
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  Speaker 5: So my understanding is like this is a series, Well
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  Speaker 5: could be a series, depending obviously on how well this
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  Speaker 5: performs as a podcast itself, but of course, like there's
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  Speaker 5: other people out there that have went through something similar.
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  Speaker 5: So yeah, it's more like I believe it's going to
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  Speaker 5: be like the first of potentially many.
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  Speaker 3: That's what the trailers sounded like. It sounded like there
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  Speaker 3: was going to be more stories to come. There's been
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  Speaker 3: lots of podcasts about scandals like this, but I'm glad
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  Speaker 3: you're doing one on your own. This was an insane saga,
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  Speaker 3: and I always hate to have you relive it, but
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  Speaker 3: you did relive it fully for this podcast. So can
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  Speaker 3: you give our listeners who may not be up on
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  Speaker 3: the story, a brief synopsis of what happened to you
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  Speaker 3: over the past couple of years.
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  Speaker 5: Yes, So, long story short, I had an individual reach
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  Speaker 5: out about a real estate transaction.
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  Speaker 4: It was going to be my first deal.
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  Speaker 5: Unfortunately, I end up then engaging with this individual intimately,
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  Speaker 5: and that then kind of convoluted everything. She then ended
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  Speaker 5: up wanting to date start a relationship. I declined. Then
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  Speaker 5: things got got weird. She started, you know, crying and
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  Speaker 5: being emotional and then saying like that she eventually was
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  Speaker 5: pregnant from our interaction. And so this whole then podcast
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  Speaker 5: will go through really just everything that I had faced.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, there's there's audio you know that that was
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  Speaker 5: captured that hasn't been heard before. There's thousands, you know,
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  Speaker 5: there's hundreds, probably hundreds of messages that you know what
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  Speaker 5: we read in detail, and it's just meant to bring
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  Speaker 5: people through like what was happening day by day, as
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  Speaker 5: if somebody was experiencing this for themselves. So it's been interesting.
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  Speaker 5: I've heard the episodes. Uh, and yeah it is. It
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  Speaker 5: does pull you right back in when you start hearing
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  Speaker 5: the text messages being read.
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  Speaker 2: There's going to be so much of this interview with
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  Speaker 2: you that I don't know how to phrase my question.
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  Speaker 4: So I'm just.
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  Speaker 2: Gonna say it and see you obviously are reliving it
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  Speaker 2: through this podcast.
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  Speaker 4: Can you go back?
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  Speaker 2: Because I think it was a sensitive question to ask
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  Speaker 2: when we were kind of talking with you while this
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  Speaker 2: was like in going on, Like what was your mental
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  Speaker 2: state as this was going on? I would imagine, And
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  Speaker 2: I only asked this and maybe this will help I
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  Speaker 2: ask it because if I was in your position, there'd
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  Speaker 2: be the shock of wait what, and then there would
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  Speaker 2: be almost the well, this isn't true, so there's no
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  Speaker 2: way this is gonna like play out in her favor,
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  Speaker 2: and then there'd be for me the fear of, oh
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  Speaker 2: my gosh, she's actually making some headway here, and like
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  Speaker 2: taking this a lot more serious that I thought, and
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  Speaker 2: then it would be confusing, I guess, so maybe that
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  Speaker 2: would be what I would imagine myself being in your
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  Speaker 2: position thinking, But can you actually tell me what is
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  Speaker 2: real and what happened with you?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah?
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  Speaker 5: No, I mean honestly, you've described I mean, the emotions
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  Speaker 5: and pretty much like the stages that I went through.
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  Speaker 4: At first.
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  Speaker 5: It was just like complete utter shock that she was
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  Speaker 5: even claiming that she was pregnant after you know, we
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  Speaker 5: had hooked up and again we didn't have sex. I
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  Speaker 5: talk about in detail. I mean, you can find it
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  Speaker 5: online or on the podcast. You're going to hear exactly
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  Speaker 5: how it went down, because I really had to clear
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  Speaker 5: my name and so I was like, look, I'll share everything.
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  Speaker 5: I'll share all the text messages, I'll walk you through,
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  Speaker 5: play by play what happened.
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  Speaker 4: That night, Clayton.
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  Speaker 3: I just want to pause you right there for a second,
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  Speaker 3: cause that's always been like the most interesting part of
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  Speaker 3: the story. It's okay, there's so much interesting into the story,
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  Speaker 3: but that's always been something that's been so interesting because
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  Speaker 3: you've been so out of it that you guys, never
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  Speaker 3: had sex, and she was saying that she conceived somehow
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  Speaker 3: without that happening, which is like something that I had
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  Speaker 3: nightmares of in college, being like did I sit on
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  Speaker 3: a bed and a boy just jacked off off?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah?
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  Speaker 5: Well I someone was like yes, I mean and young
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  Speaker 5: men like we're all like, oh my gosh, did it
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  Speaker 5: like jump?
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  Speaker 4: Can can it jump? Like we yeah, the things that
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  Speaker 4: we jumped to.
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  Speaker 5: But this was more based around the idea of trapping,
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  Speaker 5: which is why it's the in the title.
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  Speaker 4: So somebody that basically takes.
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  Speaker 5: The fluid and then like inserts it and we talk
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  Speaker 5: about that. So that was the concern was that that's that's
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  Speaker 5: how what what had occurred?
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  Speaker 3: How would she have gotten that?
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  Speaker 4: Well, because we did engage sexually. Yeah, so did you
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  Speaker 4: do holding in her hand?
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  Speaker 3: No, in her mouth, holding in her mouth and spit
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  Speaker 3: it out and put into a vial or just shove
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  Speaker 3: it up?
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  Speaker 4: I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah again, Google told me there was a chance, And
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  Speaker 5: I'm like, I smile about it now obviously because I'm
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  Speaker 5: in a place now where I'm on the other side
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  Speaker 5: of like all of the emotions. And I do also
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  Speaker 5: understand that's you know, people like you share too much,
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  Speaker 5: But that's always been the case for me. I just
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  Speaker 5: I'm like, look, I had to like this was the
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  Speaker 5: only way that I felt I could get through this
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  Speaker 5: was by being just completely transparent. I also feel that
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  Speaker 5: when you do that, people are like, well, look if
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  Speaker 5: he's going to say that, like, there's no way he's.
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  Speaker 4: Making this up.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, Like this guy's going to talk about the good
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  Speaker 5: and the bad, even just even this initial conversation.
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  Speaker 4: It's like, give us a synopsis.
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  Speaker 5: It's like, hey, I was an agent for somebody at
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  Speaker 5: cross professional boundaries, and you know I shouldn't do that,
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  Speaker 5: but I did, you know.
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  Speaker 4: But that's the.
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  Speaker 5: Whole thing that I've realized is like people will believe
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  Speaker 5: you if you paint the whole picture, both.
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  Speaker 4: The good and the bad. I wasn't a saint in
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  Speaker 4: this scenario.
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  Speaker 5: I was just a dude that you know, was going
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  Speaker 5: through some stuff and across to person that was.
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  Speaker 4: Kind of crazy.
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  Speaker 2: I think again, I'm going to ask questions and they
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  Speaker 2: might be inappropriate. I guess it's out of curiosity. What
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  Speaker 2: made like that evening? Why did you not engage in intercourse?
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  Speaker 2: And then also on the back end of that, how
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  Speaker 2: thankful are you that you didn't because this whole thing
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  Speaker 2: gets I mean, that's What gets crazy to me here
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  Speaker 2: is she wasn't ever pregnant, right is it?
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  Speaker 4: That's the truth.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, But yet there was like even with her not
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  Speaker 2: being pregnant, it still went as far as it did.
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  Speaker 2: So say there was the intercourse, how much of this
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  Speaker 2: court case would it change where you're like, yeah, we did,
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  Speaker 2: but she's not pregnant.
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  Speaker 4: I don't think. I don't really know. Like that's where
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  Speaker 4: this whole thing gets wild.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, And they had found this out recently. There was
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  Speaker 5: some documents released from like the criminal investigation, because she's
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  Speaker 5: facing up to fifty seven years and like fourteen charges
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  Speaker 5: currently and possibly more. I mean there's not just from you, yeah,
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  Speaker 5: not just from me. No, So seven of them were mine,
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  Speaker 5: but there's another seven from a previous individual, and then
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  Speaker 5: there's potentially more on the way. But there was in
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  Speaker 5: the document. There was there was multiple segments where it
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  Speaker 5: stated that there was a man that she was engaging
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  Speaker 5: with intimately before and after talking with me, and they
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  Speaker 5: were having They implied that they were having intercourse, so
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  Speaker 5: she was potentially trying to get pregnant, you know, and
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  Speaker 5: then claim that it was mine. To answer your question,
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  Speaker 5: why didn't we have you know, intercourse that night I
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  Speaker 5: actually wanted to. She I think was shocked that I
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  Speaker 5: invited her over, and then after we talked, I believe
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  Speaker 5: that she thought, in her head, Okay, I actually could
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  Speaker 5: potentially date this guy.
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  Speaker 4: There seems to be chemistry here.
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  Speaker 5: So she said, I don't want to do this yet,
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  Speaker 5: you know, I want to hold off on this, thinking.
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  Speaker 4: That we would have another time.
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  Speaker 5: And then when I abruptly cut it the next day,
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  Speaker 5: when I cut it off and said this was you know,
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  Speaker 5: that was a one time thing, that's when then she
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  Speaker 5: tried to get me to, you know, sleep with her.
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  Speaker 5: She had said, hey, you know you can. I'm already pregnant.
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  Speaker 5: This was, you know, eleven days or twelve days later.
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  Speaker 5: She's like, I'm already pregnant. So I'm the safest person
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  Speaker 5: that you could have sex with.
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  Speaker 4: I'm already pregnant with your child. She's saying, yes, yeah,
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  Speaker 4: oh goodness, courageous.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, I mean, I know you've told us this before.
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  Speaker 3: It's just still crazy every time.
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  Speaker 2: No, I think it's different now because it's done, and
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  Speaker 2: so it feels a little bit more like, Okay, we.
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  Speaker 5: Can, like we can just talk about it because it's
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  Speaker 5: lighter you know, but I do think again, like yeah,
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  Speaker 5: I mean, look, people they can't believe how crazy crazy
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  Speaker 5: can get obviously until like they hear the stories, until
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  Speaker 5: they see the text messages. And that I think is
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  Speaker 5: wherein people like you're going to be put into my
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  Speaker 5: shoes and the shoes of the other victims, and you're
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  Speaker 5: going to see, you know, obviously like what that would
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  Speaker 5: be like to go through something like this. I mean again,
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  Speaker 5: we have I don't know if I I don't know
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  Speaker 5: how much I can say, you know, I never know
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  Speaker 5: what this but like we have a voice actress I
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  Speaker 5: go that literally reads these text messages, so like it's
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  Speaker 5: a very immersive podcast. It's not like I sit and
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  Speaker 5: talk to somebody and that's it. You know, there's like
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  Speaker 5: background noise like walking down the street here, cars.
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  Speaker 4: Hard walking.
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  Speaker 5: It's storytelling. Yeah, it's storytelling. And so with the voice actors,
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  Speaker 5: I've been blown away. I'm like, this is incredible.
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  Speaker 4: You know.
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  Speaker 3: If voice actress says something along the lines of all
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  Speaker 3: I did wrong was get pregnant with the bats, so
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  Speaker 3: that was.
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  Speaker 5: Actually that was her voice because that was set on
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  Speaker 5: a police body cam. So yeah, and that makes it
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  Speaker 5: a parents Yeah, that was a pretty iconic line. But yeah, again,
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  Speaker 5: like I, of course, it's it's just the whole thing
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  Speaker 5: was crazy. It's been three years in the making, and
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  Speaker 5: we're still obviously waiting on the court case, you know,
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  Speaker 5: the final court case, which is crazy to think three
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  Speaker 5: years and I thought this was a pretty straightforward shot.
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  Speaker 5: But but you know, of course, then we talk about
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  Speaker 5: how the court system, how it just moves at a
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  Speaker 5: pace that we all wish was a little bit quicker.
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  Speaker 2: Clayton, I remember the first time I met you was
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  Speaker 2: we were out in like Napa and you It was
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  Speaker 2: like a car full of people and you were kind
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  Speaker 2: of I think you were fresh off the show, and yep,
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  Speaker 2: you were asking questions as so many asks kind of
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  Speaker 2: following up on the show is like what's life going
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  Speaker 2: to be like? And all this stuff? And this afternoon,
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  Speaker 2: actually I have a call with somebody who could potentially
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  Speaker 2: I don't they haven't picked the next lead if there
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  Speaker 2: is going to be a lead, but could potentially be
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  Speaker 2: the next lead.
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  Speaker 3: You.
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  Speaker 2: I thought about this because I always try to think about, Hey,
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  Speaker 2: what do I want to say to this guy? Knowing
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  Speaker 2: who they are a little bit about them. This story
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  Speaker 2: changes my narrative and when I speak to the next
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  Speaker 2: person or anybody gets off the show in drastic ways.
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  Speaker 4: If you would have came to me back then and
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  Speaker 4: been like, do I have.
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  Speaker 2: To worry about like girls, you know, like coming after
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  Speaker 2: me and trying to take advance, like I would have
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  Speaker 2: been like, I don't know that it happened to me,
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  Speaker 2: But like you, she obviously knew who you were and
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  Speaker 2: this got really scary. So that goes to my question, then, Clayton,
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  Speaker 2: trust is such a big element of life for you,
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  Speaker 2: obviously as you're dating. But then also and our team
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  Speaker 2: at iHeart, I think is disgusted honestly right now with
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  Speaker 2: so much of this story because they're like, Okay, women
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  Speaker 2: already have a hard enough time coming out when there's
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  Speaker 2: assault or when they're the victim of a tragic accident.
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  Speaker 2: It's already hard enough for them to open up and
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  Speaker 2: tell somebody because of the recourse that could happen and
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  Speaker 2: the fears they have. And that makes sense, right, none
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  Speaker 2: of us are oblivious to that fact. However, then you
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  Speaker 2: have your story and you're like, she just set all
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  Speaker 2: this back for so many reasons, or at least attempted
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  Speaker 2: to set all this back for so many reasons. That's disgusting,
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  Speaker 2: not only for what happened to you, but what happens
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  Speaker 2: in the narrative of so many other women. Who are
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  Speaker 2: you know, who could be a part of something where
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  Speaker 2: they need to tell somebody, They need to open up
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  Speaker 2: to somebody and be trusted. So, for somebody that's set
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  Speaker 2: in your shoes, who's been intimately involved in this experience
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  Speaker 2: at the very beginning, what is your take now understanding
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  Speaker 2: just this disgustingness that she did to set so much
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  Speaker 2: back for so many people.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, look, I think that the truth prevails,
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  Speaker 5: and so again you have to understand, I'm just taking
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  Speaker 5: this from my own situation. This is just my experience,
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  Speaker 5: and I'm sure somebody could probably counter this, but I
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  Speaker 5: ultimately feel that, like, if.
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  Speaker 4: You're telling the truth, then you're fine. I don't. I
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  Speaker 4: don't believe.
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  Speaker 5: And somebody brings this to light and brings it to
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  Speaker 5: my attention, then I'll be happy to say I'm wrong
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  Speaker 5: on this, But I really don't believe that, Like a woman,
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  Speaker 5: can you know, that's telling the truth can end up
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  Speaker 5: getting hit with, you know, fifty seven years in prison if.
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  Speaker 4: She's telling the truth. Like, I just don't.
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  Speaker 5: You don't get to that point of facing, you know,
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  Speaker 5: having the county attorney take the case over and then
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  Speaker 5: you know, and punish you to this degree.
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  Speaker 4: There's another here example.
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  Speaker 5: Or a case that was taken where I think there's
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  Speaker 5: a woman that's facing nine plus years or more for
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  Speaker 5: doing something similar to a former MLB pitcher, but again
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  Speaker 5: like she was extorting him and committing serious crimes and
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  Speaker 5: was in the wrong. So I don't really I understood
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  Speaker 5: that people were concerned, like, hey, she's making this and
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  Speaker 5: moving it backwards and you know, now all suden people
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  Speaker 5: aren't going to believe women.
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  Speaker 4: But I don't. I don't believe that. I think that's
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  Speaker 4: an extreme response.
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  Speaker 5: I just truthfully believe that, Hey, look, whether it's men
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  Speaker 5: versus women, it shouldn't be. It's just whoever it's there's
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  Speaker 5: it's the victims versus perpetrators, and however they look, whatever
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  Speaker 5: their gender is, that shouldn't matter at all. If you're
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  Speaker 5: telling the truth, you're safe, you know, if you if
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  Speaker 5: you're telling the truth, you're not going to end up
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  Speaker 5: getting in trouble and being in a situation like Laura is.
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  Speaker 4: That's my personal opinion.
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  Speaker 5: So I don't think this would scare any woman away
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  Speaker 5: from bringing this to light.
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  Speaker 4: I don't think so at all. I hope not. I mean,
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  Speaker 4: I hope not.
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  Speaker 2: Right, these are one but in the scenario you're talking about,
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  Speaker 2: like that picture lost his career because of this, right, oh.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah he And again I've I don't know a
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  Speaker 4: lot about his story.
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  Speaker 5: I mean there was apparently more going on, but yeah,
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  Speaker 5: he got banished from the league. So it cost him
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  Speaker 5: a lot of a lot of money, a lot of
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  Speaker 5: his energy. And you know, I think here's the thing,
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  Speaker 5: like we this, If this is going to be a
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  Speaker 5: statement being made by the county attorney, then I think
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  Speaker 5: she should make it. You know, the Rachel Mitchell is,
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  Speaker 5: you know, there needs to be punishment for people that
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  Speaker 5: are trying to destroy the livelihood of somebody else.
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  Speaker 4: And I'm not this MLB picture, right, I don't. So,
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  Speaker 4: I'm not. I didn't lose.
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  Speaker 5: Millions of dollars. Have I lost brand deals and such? Yes,
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  Speaker 5: I've lost a few that I can point to. Have
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  Speaker 5: I lost potential other opportunities I'm not aware of, Yes,
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  Speaker 5: I'm sure that being said, you know, it's like, yeah,
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  Speaker 5: I mean there's there's an opportunity cost and then again,
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  Speaker 5: what in return if you do this and you falsely
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  Speaker 5: accuse somebody, you shouldn't just get a slap on the wrist.
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  Speaker 5: Because if someone can get away with this, then it's
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  Speaker 5: going to show other women or men, men and women
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  Speaker 5: that like I can do this and make this whole
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  Speaker 5: thing up and ruin this person's you know, mental state
• 15:46
  Speaker 5: and worst case scenario like I just got to go
• 15:49
  Speaker 5: to court and they're just going to dismiss it. So
• 15:51
  Speaker 5: to me like this, a lot of eyes are on this.
• 15:53
  Speaker 5: There's been a little bit of like a thought. There's
• 15:54
  Speaker 5: been a following community, and it's like we're all watching
• 15:58
  Speaker 5: and looking and saying like, all right now, County attorney,
• 16:00
  Speaker 5: it's your job to like make this, you know, a
• 16:03
  Speaker 5: statement so that people don't get you know, do this
• 16:05
  Speaker 5: going forward. Because if she walks free, serves no time,
• 16:09
  Speaker 5: and doesn't get any charges, it's I guarantee you this
• 16:12
  Speaker 5: will this one will lead to a man or a
• 16:15
  Speaker 5: woman to say, going, you know what, I'm going to
• 16:17
  Speaker 5: do this because like there's no repercussions.
• 16:19
  Speaker 4: When do you find out if she's going to be
• 16:21
  Speaker 4: charged or not?
• 16:22
  Speaker 5: Well, the trial, Yeah, I mean she's she has to
• 16:24
  Speaker 5: face a jury, So that's was that late July. I
• 16:28
  Speaker 5: think it's late July as far as the hearing, which
• 16:31
  Speaker 5: I'll go, I'll testify against her, and yeah, I mean
• 16:36
  Speaker 5: I think again, so like if she went, you know,
• 16:38
  Speaker 5: if she does get charged and she faces time, yeah,
• 16:41
  Speaker 5: somebody else might be like, it's not worth it.
• 16:43
  Speaker 4: I don't want to go through this.
• 16:44
  Speaker 5: You know, this guy might have pissed me off and
• 16:46
  Speaker 5: I'm mad and I don't like how he treated me
• 16:48
  Speaker 5: or whatever it might be. But I'm not going to
• 16:49
  Speaker 5: go try to ruin his life because I could potentially
• 16:51
  Speaker 5: ruin mine in return.
• 16:53
  Speaker 3: What a fun trial to be on.
• 16:55
  Speaker 4: This is a kind of jury I would want to
• 16:57
  Speaker 4: be called on.
• 16:58
  Speaker 5: Although I had my brothers comes or one of them
• 17:01
  Speaker 5: and my parents came to like the previous court and
• 17:04
  Speaker 5: afterwards he was just like, dude, that was super entertaining.
• 17:07
  Speaker 4: He's like, I thought this is going to be so boring.
• 17:09
  Speaker 5: He's like, it was like the things they were releasing
• 17:11
  Speaker 5: and the comments that were being said and the dramatics,
• 17:13
  Speaker 5: and I was like, yeah, I mean it's gotten out
• 17:15
  Speaker 5: of control. I mean, it's like trying not to make
• 17:17
  Speaker 5: it a clown show. But it's so ridiculous, right, So,
• 17:21
  Speaker 5: like the evidence is ridiculous. But you have someone that
• 17:24
  Speaker 5: I don't believe she actually believes what she's saying.
• 17:26
  Speaker 4: I think she just is.
• 17:27
  Speaker 5: Her belief is that I can lie my way all
• 17:29
  Speaker 5: the way to the finish line and then people are
• 17:31
  Speaker 5: going to go, well, there's no way someone get Like
• 17:34
  Speaker 5: she asked, she must believe this, And I've even had
• 17:36
  Speaker 5: that thought. I'm like, I've had that thought where I
• 17:38
  Speaker 5: was like, is she living in an altered reality? Because
• 17:41
  Speaker 5: like she is not giving on anything on any front,
• 17:44
  Speaker 5: she is not holding going all right, I screwed up there,
• 17:46
  Speaker 5: I'm sorry that was a lie. She hasn't said it,
• 17:48
  Speaker 5: like admitted to one lie. So you start to wonder, like,
• 17:51
  Speaker 5: is she clinically insane? I mean, she will go out there?
• 17:56
  Speaker 4: Have you ever started thinking you might be too?
• 17:58
  Speaker 2: Like only I've only asked that because I love what
• 18:02
  Speaker 2: you said, Clayton, where the truth prevails, Like I love
• 18:06
  Speaker 2: what you say there, Like, I mean, I believe that
• 18:09
  Speaker 2: to be true. I think it is one of the
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: foundations of how we can function as a species. Is
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: if the truth prevails, then hey, things work out. But
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: I only ask like you had to at some point
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: be like I think, like, oh my gosh, do I
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: not remember something? Or am I going crazy? Or was
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: there ever a moment where you thought maybe the truth
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: wouldn't prevail here where you're like, I might, I might
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: have to like live in a reality where noe she wins,
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: and I made it look like a fool, even though
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: I know that I'm.
• 18:44
  Speaker 4: Telling the truth.
• 18:46
  Speaker 5: Not so much like again, the reality was either she
• 18:48
  Speaker 5: was pregnant with my child or she wasn't right. So
• 18:51
  Speaker 5: so there was obviously fear early on of did she
• 18:55
  Speaker 5: successfully trap me? And if she did, then like that
• 18:57
  Speaker 5: child does exist and it will be mine and I
• 19:00
  Speaker 5: will have to co parent with this individual.
• 19:03
  Speaker 4: And we had these conversations.
• 19:04
  Speaker 5: At one point, I was like, you know, I'm not
• 19:05
  Speaker 5: going to raise this child with you, like either I'm
• 19:07
  Speaker 5: taking full custody or you are, but I will never,
• 19:09
  Speaker 5: in any capacity ever co parent with you.
• 19:12
  Speaker 4: You will drive me insane.
• 19:13
  Speaker 5: And so that conversation was had at one point because
• 19:16
  Speaker 5: it was like, well, if you did trap me, regardless,
• 19:18
  Speaker 5: I have a child now and so I have to,
• 19:21
  Speaker 5: you know, step up, but we're not going to co parent, right,
• 19:23
  Speaker 5: So there was fear associated with that, and there certainly
• 19:27
  Speaker 5: was me questioning is this real or is this not?
• 19:29
  Speaker 5: Like can I actually believe what she's saying? But once
• 19:32
  Speaker 5: she went public, like I wasn't concerned that I was
• 19:35
  Speaker 5: going to lose the narrative because it just really came
• 19:37
  Speaker 5: down to I when this went public, I said, guys,
• 19:41
  Speaker 5: I am scheduling a paternity test, and she will schedule hers.
• 19:43
  Speaker 4: I never came out and said she's not pregnant, like
• 19:46
  Speaker 4: it's all fake it, it's all made up.
• 19:48
  Speaker 5: I'm like, look, I'm not willing to throw all my
• 19:50
  Speaker 5: chips on black, So I'm going to say, guys, I'm
• 19:52
  Speaker 5: going to go to a paternity test, and she's she's
• 19:54
  Speaker 5: going to do her part. And then whenever the first
• 19:57
  Speaker 5: test came back little you know, to no fetal DNA,
• 19:59
  Speaker 5: it was incoclue, which they couldn't write a report on,
• 20:02
  Speaker 5: That's when I threw my chips on black. That's when
• 20:04
  Speaker 5: I went online and I posted this video and it
• 20:06
  Speaker 5: was like test came back and I was insinuating that
• 20:09
  Speaker 5: it was all made up, but I couldn't technically say
• 20:12
  Speaker 5: that for legality purposes, so I had to say it
• 20:15
  Speaker 5: exactly as the test came back. But that was the
• 20:17
  Speaker 5: point at which it was like, well, if for whatever reason,
• 20:19
  Speaker 5: that test results were messed up, as she said, she
• 20:21
  Speaker 5: said there was probably an issue with transport and the.
• 20:25
  Speaker 4: DNA wasn't viable.
• 20:26
  Speaker 5: If she had to take another test and it would
• 20:28
  Speaker 5: have come back positive, I mean, yeah, I would have
• 20:29
  Speaker 5: destroyed my reputation because I was like, at that point,
• 20:31
  Speaker 5: you just told everyone that it was fake. But that
• 20:33
  Speaker 5: was the point at which I finally was like, I
• 20:36
  Speaker 5: can come forward with this and you know, and I'm
• 20:38
  Speaker 5: going to win this narrative because.
• 20:39
  Speaker 4: The truth prevails.
• 20:40
  Speaker 5: The only thing that bothered me was there was more
• 20:42
  Speaker 5: initial press for the scandal than there was for.
• 20:46
  Speaker 4: When the truth came out.
• 20:48
  Speaker 5: That's what bothered me, because it was like the damage
• 20:51
  Speaker 5: was done because so many people covered the initial story
• 20:55
  Speaker 5: and probably seventy percent covered the aftermath, and so it
• 20:59
  Speaker 5: was like, guys will all like, I want to try
• 21:01
  Speaker 5: to repair all this damage. But there was way more eyes,
• 21:05
  Speaker 5: you know, that that were on it at first then
• 21:07
  Speaker 5: three years later, I mean just because I was now
• 21:09
  Speaker 5: three more years were later, like later removed from the Bachelor.
• 21:12
  Speaker 5: Less people are paying attention to me than whenever the
• 21:14
  Speaker 5: story first came out.
• 21:26
  Speaker 3: So with the court right now it's thought she was
• 21:30
  Speaker 3: found guilty. She's yeah, I gotta know the legal jargons
• 21:35
  Speaker 3: because like, I know that you've like celebrated her being
• 21:37
  Speaker 3: like caught before, beyond just the paternity task or like
• 21:41
  Speaker 3: the there's no baby thing. When was the last time
• 21:45
  Speaker 3: you like really celebrated and what was that for if
• 21:47
  Speaker 3: there's still an impending trial.
• 21:49
  Speaker 5: Yeah, so I would say the last well, we celebrated
• 21:53
  Speaker 5: when the county attorneys said that they were going to
• 21:55
  Speaker 5: place charges upon her, which, of course then until the
• 21:59
  Speaker 5: court decides that, like, yes, these will be placed upon
• 22:02
  Speaker 5: her and she will be charged with these particular crimes.
• 22:04
  Speaker 5: It's like this is what they are, you know, essentially
• 22:07
  Speaker 5: investigating her for and will be taking her to court for.
• 22:09
  Speaker 5: But they're not final lot until obviously there's a jury
• 22:12
  Speaker 5: that decides whether.
• 22:13
  Speaker 4: Or not she's guilty. But we celebrated.
• 22:16
  Speaker 5: Last year when I won in court by proving that
• 22:22
  Speaker 5: she was never pregnant. So there was an order of
• 22:25
  Speaker 5: non paternity essentially that was made and that was just
• 22:29
  Speaker 5: so that she couldn't then continue the narrative, although she
• 22:32
  Speaker 5: still has. But there's a finding in the court stating that,
• 22:35
  Speaker 5: you know, all the everything shows that she was never
• 22:37
  Speaker 5: pregnant and certainly not pregnant with his child, and so
• 22:41
  Speaker 5: that was a conclusive, you know, statement that.
• 22:44
  Speaker 4: That was a win. Yeah, that was a major wink Clayton.
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: As we kind of wrap up here, I do want
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: to kind of go back to two things. One is,
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: you have this show coming out, and I think it
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: is going I guess I I only see it as
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: it can be good because it will tell the story
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: and as you said, the truth prevails. I mean, I
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: think through all of this, I feel for you, man.
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: I mean, this had to be really hard and hard
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: for the other victims within this. But I also I
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: am almost too sick thinking that something like this happened,
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: that she tried to take advantage of a situation that
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: is so delicate, and that so many people, like we said,
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: do have a fear of coming out and talking about
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: publicly when something that like unfortunate happens.
• 23:32
  Speaker 4: It's such a.
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: Terrible scenario, and as we said at the beginning, women
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: already have a hard enough time coming forward, and the
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: fact that she tried to take advantage of this situation
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: is so painful. It makes I think so many of
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: us sick to our stomach, and I do believe this
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: show is going to kind of not only unleash the
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: truth even further, but help people have an understanding about
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: how it got to this point. I am very excited
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: to listen to it. I think so many are for
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: so many different reasons. The one part and I do,
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: and this is where my question comes in, is it's
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: called love trapped. I am now finding out on this
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: conversation with you today, and we've talked to you, I
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: think three different times in the midst of this battle.
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: I didn't realize that the theory was that she might
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: have trapped you?
• 24:20
  Speaker 4: Is that?
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: And that's why the name came about love trapped? Is
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: that what it's referencing is that she was claiming I mean,
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: did she That's why I'm confused. Did she ever claim that, no,
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: we didn't have sex? I trapped him?
• 24:33
  Speaker 4: Is that? Was that?
• 24:34
  Speaker 3: We?
• 24:34
  Speaker 4: So? So?
• 24:35
  Speaker 5: Trapping is a term that I first heard when I
• 24:37
  Speaker 5: played Division one ball at Missoo. And it's this concept
• 24:43
  Speaker 5: or it's this this tactic I suppose where it happened
• 24:47
  Speaker 5: to a couple of my teammates, a very successful individual.
• 24:51
  Speaker 5: He's going to go first round in the draft, and
• 24:53
  Speaker 5: so a woman decides that she wants to date him
• 24:57
  Speaker 5: and or just be in his life, and she they
• 25:00
  Speaker 5: engage intimately, and she says she's on birth control. She
• 25:04
  Speaker 5: somehow gets pregnant, says, oh, I guess I missed a pillar.
• 25:07
  Speaker 5: I took a pill too late, and then you know,
• 25:09
  Speaker 5: ends up basically getting half of his earnings when he
• 25:12
  Speaker 5: makes it to the league.
• 25:12
  Speaker 4: So like, you know, there's it's.
• 25:14
  Speaker 5: This idea basically an individual latches on to someone else
• 25:18
  Speaker 5: that's in a position of you know, influencer power, and
• 25:24
  Speaker 5: latches onto them in order to seek like most times
• 25:27
  Speaker 5: financial gain, but it could also be influenced status, whatever
• 25:30
  Speaker 5: it might be. So that and you know, for me,
• 25:34
  Speaker 5: it's more also just trapping. It's just a concept of yeah,
• 25:37
  Speaker 5: like basically you're latching onto somebody and you were deceitful
• 25:42
  Speaker 5: in the way that you did it, right, So like
• 25:43
  Speaker 5: this isn't a situation where it's like if somebody likes
• 25:45
  Speaker 5: somebody and like there's you know, like it just happens
• 25:48
  Speaker 5: they accidentally get pregnant. It's like when there's the intent
• 25:51
  Speaker 5: to trick somebody, you know, set a trap and then
• 25:55
  Speaker 5: you know, work their way into your life.
• 25:57
  Speaker 4: To where they can seek some type of gain.
• 26:00
  Speaker 5: For Laura, you know, she she wants to be a
• 26:03
  Speaker 5: public figure. I guess she technically is, you know, because
• 26:06
  Speaker 5: she has her podcast and so she's the host, and
• 26:08
  Speaker 5: she spoke out publicly about her domestic violence in the
• 26:12
  Speaker 5: past that she experienced. You know, she so from her
• 26:16
  Speaker 5: like she was trying to latch onto to me and
• 26:20
  Speaker 5: because I had more eyes on me, and then seguigh
• 26:23
  Speaker 5: that into how I was, you know, verbally abused by
• 26:27
  Speaker 5: the bachelor who is a deadbeat father, and I've you know,
• 26:30
  Speaker 5: I've made it through another round of abuse and this
• 26:33
  Speaker 5: is my story. So she was used trapping me into
• 26:36
  Speaker 5: her her story arc that she could then twist to
• 26:40
  Speaker 5: her own benefit.
• 26:41
  Speaker 4: So that's the concept of trapping.
• 26:43
  Speaker 5: It's it's basically just getting involved in someone's life against
• 26:46
  Speaker 5: their will essentially.
• 26:47
  Speaker 3: You know, I'm just so scared for everybody out there
• 26:50
  Speaker 3: that women may want to get pregnant by really quickly
• 26:53
  Speaker 3: on the first date.
• 26:55
  Speaker 4: I never even thought of those tactics. Oh goodness, gracious, Well.
• 26:59
  Speaker 5: It's because you're one of those people that would actually
• 27:01
  Speaker 5: do that. So that's that's a good thing. You know,
• 27:03
  Speaker 5: you should be you should be proud that you don't
• 27:04
  Speaker 5: have these thoughts. But that's again, I've seen it. I've
• 27:07
  Speaker 5: seen it happen. You know, I'm not saying it happens
• 27:09
  Speaker 5: a lot, but it happens, and it's just like people
• 27:11
  Speaker 5: of influence are targeted. I've heard some crazy stories of
• 27:15
  Speaker 5: like a rapper that had to put hot sauce in
• 27:18
  Speaker 5: the you know, in a condom so that way somebody
• 27:21
  Speaker 5: wouldn't go grab it and try to artificially inciminate themselves.
• 27:25
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 27:25
  Speaker 5: Yeah, and they have to because it's like they their
• 27:27
  Speaker 5: their net worth is so high that somebody gets pregnant
• 27:30
  Speaker 5: and they go, oh, it's his kid, now pay me
• 27:32
  Speaker 5: child support.
• 27:33
  Speaker 4: I would be like celibate for life.
• 27:35
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm gonna wait till I'm waiting till i'm married.
• 27:40
  Speaker 4: I'm yeah.
• 27:40
  Speaker 3: So wait, how did that affect your dating life? Were
• 27:44
  Speaker 3: you just scared to bring anyone home?
• 27:47
  Speaker 5: Yeah? I mean, look like I'm still a thirty two
• 27:50
  Speaker 5: year old man, and so like my urges sometimes it's
• 27:53
  Speaker 5: like your animal brain kicks in and you're just like,
• 27:55
  Speaker 5: but it would oftentimes happen afterwards, where like I would
• 27:58
  Speaker 5: have that like clarity afterwards, and I'd be like Clayton,
• 28:02
  Speaker 5: like that's where the panic would set it. I'd be like, dude,
• 28:04
  Speaker 5: like you're gonna run yourself, like you could have this
• 28:06
  Speaker 5: happen again.
• 28:07
  Speaker 4: Like Lil Wayne says, when you come you come to
• 28:09
  Speaker 4: your senses.
• 28:12
  Speaker 5: I didn't know what all we could say on this,
• 28:13
  Speaker 5: you know, So I was like, I don't know if
• 28:15
  Speaker 5: I can say there now, but that's a lyric in
• 28:16
  Speaker 5: the Little Wayne song. Okay, okay, yeah, I was like,
• 28:20
  Speaker 5: there's I'm trying to like certain I was like, can
• 28:22
  Speaker 5: I say condom?
• 28:22
  Speaker 4: I don't know, but yeah, I mean, it's it's just
• 28:27
  Speaker 4: it's it certainly has impacted me.
• 28:29
  Speaker 5: I mean there's there's times where like I think I
• 28:30
  Speaker 5: have it under control, and then all of a sudden,
• 28:31
  Speaker 5: I'll get paranoid and I'll start to you know, and
• 28:34
  Speaker 5: I've had these conversations with some women where I'm like, hey,
• 28:36
  Speaker 5: I'm sorry, it's me and it's what I've went through,
• 28:38
  Speaker 5: Like I'm I'm just panicking, like I I think I'm
• 28:41
  Speaker 5: over it, and then like it just comes creeping back
• 28:44
  Speaker 5: in because I'm like, yeah, I don't want to go
• 28:45
  Speaker 5: through another situation like that. It took a heavy toll
• 28:48
  Speaker 5: on me emotionally, and I couldn't focus on anything.
• 28:51
  Speaker 4: Else in my life.
• 28:52
  Speaker 5: You know, while I was going on in the early
• 28:53
  Speaker 5: stages of that, before she went public, I just all
• 28:56
  Speaker 5: I could think about was this one was trying to
• 28:58
  Speaker 5: destroy me, and like she's gonna a full time job,
• 29:01
  Speaker 5: like she's sending me emails all throughout the day, and
• 29:04
  Speaker 5: I'm gonna have to like fight my you'll save my
• 29:05
  Speaker 5: reputation while still living my life, Like this is already
• 29:08
  Speaker 5: taking enough of my energy, and I still have to
• 29:10
  Speaker 5: show up in every other area of my life and
• 29:13
  Speaker 5: act as though nothing's going on. Because before it went public,
• 29:16
  Speaker 5: I didn't want it to go public. I really wanted
• 29:18
  Speaker 5: to solve this. I sent her a document basically saying,
• 29:21
  Speaker 5: if you sign off on this, we.
• 29:22
  Speaker 4: Can act like it never happened.
• 29:23
  Speaker 5: I'll never bring it up again, you know, Like I
• 29:25
  Speaker 5: was telling her, you, I know you're lying, so sign
• 29:27
  Speaker 5: this document, and you know you sign it and will
• 29:30
  Speaker 5: act like it never happened. I'll move off my life.
• 29:32
  Speaker 5: So I gave her an out, you know. So there's
• 29:34
  Speaker 5: like there's these dating contracts that we talk about in
• 29:36
  Speaker 5: the podcast. There's just like the phone calls to her mom.
• 29:40
  Speaker 5: You know, like there's there's just there's that, there's the
• 29:42
  Speaker 5: police reports, there's all this stuff that really again, it's
• 29:45
  Speaker 5: like for a crime junkie, it's some It's like it
• 29:47
  Speaker 5: gives you everything that like entails if you were to
• 29:51
  Speaker 5: be in a situation like this, what are the messages
• 29:53
  Speaker 5: you'd receive, what are the phone calls that would be made,
• 29:55
  Speaker 5: the police involvement, all these different people. It's it's pretty immersive.
• 29:59
  Speaker 5: So I the good thing about it, the documentary or
• 30:02
  Speaker 5: the podcast, what's great about it is that it will
• 30:06
  Speaker 5: shed light on this that people will go, Okay, I
• 30:09
  Speaker 5: gotta be careful because individuals like this do exist. But
• 30:12
  Speaker 5: you'll also hear about the other victims as well, that
• 30:14
  Speaker 5: I've received justice because she's she's dragged me through this,
• 30:17
  Speaker 5: but she's been dragging some men for up to over
• 30:19
  Speaker 5: ten years in this mess. So you find out about
• 30:22
  Speaker 5: the other people that have been involved with her prior
• 30:24
  Speaker 5: to me, and the whole scheme that her family has orchestrated.
• 30:28
  Speaker 4: It was a whole family ordeal.
• 30:29
  Speaker 5: So it gets really really deep and just mix mingled
• 30:34
  Speaker 5: and there's a lot of mess. But the nice thing
• 30:36
  Speaker 5: is there's a lot of people that are that are
• 30:37
  Speaker 5: getting justice. It's not just me.
• 30:39
  Speaker 3: I'm really happy for you that, like something successful might
• 30:42
  Speaker 3: come from this, because this could be a very popular
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  Speaker 3: podcast and you can maybe even go forward as the host.
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  Speaker 3: Who knows, but like or maybe a lifetime drama will
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  Speaker 3: come of it because it's nut It's a nutty story
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  Speaker 3: and this is a crazy character. How in the world
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  Speaker 3: has somebody knocked not knocked sense into this woman before?
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  Speaker 4: Like, where are her parents?
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  Speaker 5: Her parents are are a part of it. So her
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  Speaker 5: parents are enablers. Yeah, and so as you'll people will
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  Speaker 5: find out, like a lot of cut from the same
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  Speaker 5: cloth aspects at play. So I had spoken to her
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  Speaker 5: mother on a call. I wish i'd have got it
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  Speaker 5: on record because this is one party state. You can
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  Speaker 5: record people without their permission in the state of Arizona.
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  Speaker 5: But I didn't think that call was going to go
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  Speaker 5: the way it did. I had a phone call early on,
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  Speaker 5: hoping that she her mom was going to say, hey, yeah,
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  Speaker 5: I'll talk with her, like I'm sorry she's going through this,
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  Speaker 5: but no, it was like as if I was talking
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  Speaker 5: to Laura times too. I mean, it was shocking to me.
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  Speaker 5: And that's When I realized, I was like, Okay, I'm
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  Speaker 5: in this really twisted situation where there's no accountability because
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  Speaker 5: the people that raised her are a part of this
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  Speaker 5: as well. They're in on the act. So it is, uh,
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  Speaker 5: Love Trapped. You're going to be co hosting every episode.
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  Speaker 5: It's out now. You can go listen to it. Follow
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  Speaker 5: along Love Trap with Clayton Eckert. It's gonna follow his
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  Speaker 5: story is Clayton just so eloquently teased us.
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  Speaker 4: You're gonna hear.
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  Speaker 2: More into the court case, into the testimonies, into the
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  Speaker 2: family dynamics, into some of the mental mindsets of somebody
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  Speaker 2: like Laura Owens, who has done this to multiple people, and,
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  Speaker 2: as Clayton said, drags some through it. For the last
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  Speaker 2: ten years, Love Trapped out there wherever. You can listen
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  Speaker 2: to the podcast, especially the iHeartRadio app.
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  Speaker 4: Go listen to it.
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  Speaker 2: Clayton, thanks for coming on, Thanks for teasing this huge
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  Speaker 2: drop for you. As Ashley said, we hope it's massively
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  Speaker 2: successful for you because when something really bad like this happens,
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  Speaker 2: the hope is that something good comes on the back end,
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  Speaker 2: which could be a paycheck and your story being told. Clayton,
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  Speaker 2: thanks for joining us today.
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  Speaker 4: Thank you, thank you so much.
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  Speaker 3: Bye letter.
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