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UnchainedTV: Help PETA Stop Massive Monkey Prison in Georgia! · UNCHAINEDTV'S Truth Files with Jane Velez-Mitchell

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All hands on deck if you love animals
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and hate cruelty.
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PETA is breaking the story.
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They've learned of plans to build a colossal
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monkey holding and monkey breeding facility in Bainbridge,
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Georgia, a small town of less than 15
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,000 people about 40 miles north of Tallahassee,
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Florida.
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The planned facility would be absolutely massive.
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It would be the largest monkey holding facility
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outside of Asia.
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This proposed operation would hold 30,000 monkeys.
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That's two monkeys for every city resident.
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And of course, it would be horrifically cruel
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and inflict terrible damage on already endangered monkey
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populations worldwide.
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And the good news is the people of
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Bainbridge are standing up and saying, no way.
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We do not want to risk disease throughout
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the United States.
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We do not want ecological disaster for our
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residents and our surrounding community.
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There you see some of the local residents
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who are manning a table.
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There you see some other local residents who
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are showing up with signs at hearings saying,
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stop the monkey farm.
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They are out there protesting.
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And some of the residents have filed a
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lawsuit as well.
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So we are going to go straight out
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to Kathy Guillermo, who is the Senior Vice
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President of Laboratory Investigations for People for the
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Ethical Treatment of Animals.
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Kathy, what is the latest on this horror?
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Well, the local residents are putting up a
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really good fight and they've got some of
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the officials on their side.
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Some of the officials have acknowledged that things
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were done wrong.
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It wasn't handled properly.
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And yet the development authority and the city
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of Bainbridge are still apparently backing this proposal.
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So the fight is not over.
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So we mentioned that there was a lawsuit
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and it's quite a long and involved lawsuit.
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Will you tell us what happens with that?
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Where does that stand?
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Well, this company, Safer Human Medicine, which is
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barely a company, you know, less than a
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year old, kind of steamrolled quietly through town,
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persuaded some officials, it appears, to back this
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proposal they had for this massive monkey facility.
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They called a meeting of the various departments,
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the tax assessors, the county board of commissioners,
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the city, the board of education, and they
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put this proposal to a vote.
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Well, it turns out that open meetings laws
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were violated in that committee meeting.
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They didn't put out a proper notice.
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They were all kinds of irregularities with it.
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So the lawsuit alleges that the contracts that
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were approved, that the proposal that was approved
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by the officials are illegal and should not
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be honoured.
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And that's what the lawsuit's about.
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So far, the county and the board of
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tax assessors is agreeing with that, but the
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city and the board of education are not.
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Wow.
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So this lawsuit, could this lawsuit stop it
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in its tracks or at least postpone it?
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Because if there's pending litigation and allegations of
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illegality by local government officials and how they
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handled this, how can they legally go ahead
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with it, Kathy?
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Yeah, that's such a great question.
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I think it could stop it in its
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tracks.
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It really could, because if they can't honour
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the $60 million in tax incentives they offered
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to this company, then the company is going
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to be hard pressed to want to go
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forward with it.
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What is really complicating this is that there
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is a bond validation measure that has already
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been approved by the court in Georgia, and
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it's very hard to stop those.
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The locals are trying their best, the district
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attorney is trying, but it's very difficult to
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stop these.
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So we really need the city and the
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board of education to come together and say
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to this company, well, if you're coming here,
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you're not getting the $60 million in tax
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incentive, we're not building your wastewater treatment plant,
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we're not doing your lobbying, and we're not
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going to smooth the way for you to
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abuse tens of thousands of monkeys in our
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backyard.
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All right, we've got callers lining up.
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Paige in Los Angeles, your question or thought
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for Kathy Guillermo Fida.
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Are you saying that taxpayer dollars are paying
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for this cruelty?
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How is this still possible that this is
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acceptable?
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And why are we not using humans now
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who willingly will bring themselves to this cruelty
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or testing?
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Why don't we use humans?
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That's my question.
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Yeah, you raised such an important question is
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why are we even using monkeys?
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That's right.
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And I don't think, frankly, monkeys are going
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to be used for all that much longer.
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We know Charles River Laboratories, which is where
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one of the executives of this new company
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used to work, they told shareholders that they
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had a 23% or 25% decrease
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in the number of monkeys used last year
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for testing, because the pharmaceutical companies didn't want
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them.
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So we already know there are ways to
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do this that are better.
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I think this was a really bad business
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plan that for some reason that I don't
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really understand the development authority of Decatur County
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got behind and steamrolled through.
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Well, come on, you know, we've been down
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this road before many years ago.
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I remember I happened to be in Puerto
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Rico for a conference when two women who
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were attorneys from the Puerto Rican Buyer Association
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Animal Law Subcommittee, I remember that, came up
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to me and said, oh my gosh, they've
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built this giant massive monkey breeding facility in
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a little town in Puerto Rico called, I
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think it was Guyama, or something like that,
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and we can't stop it.
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I said, never say you can't stop it
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until you've tried.
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And PETA was amazing on that, fought it
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all the way up to the Puerto Rican
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Supreme Court, and it was not allowed to
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open.
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That was a huge battle.
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You remember that well, Kathy.
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Is this a similar situation?
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You know, I think it is.
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I think this is people profiteering on the
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backs of these animals, hoping that the so
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-called monkey shortage in the United States is
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going to line their pockets, because monkeys are
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now selling for $15,000 a piece.
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I don't know where they're going to get
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these monkeys, but that's their plan.
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And I do think it's the same situation.
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I do think these things can be stopped.
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And you know, when you have more than
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6,000 people in Decatur County who come
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together to stop this, who are working on
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it actively every day, I don't think that
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can be ignored.
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I'm sorry to say that the two senators
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from the state of Georgia, Senators Ossock and
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Warnock, have not made a statement about it.
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I think that's a shame.
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But I also think that the citizens of
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any county and any state are far more
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powerful together than any company or any single
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legislator.
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Well, I mean, this is going to destroy
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property values.
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I'm sure that's the fear of these fine
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folks who were there at the hearing.
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This is their little quaint little town in
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Georgia, and now they're going to have this
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30,000 monkeys, two monkeys for every person.
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And imagine the excrement, and imagine the water
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use, and imagine everything, not to mention that
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monkeys do escape from facilities like this.
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We've seen it before.
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This is an outrage.
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I want to put up a banner.
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If you want to help get involved, just
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go to PETA.org forward slash Bainbridge, PETA
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.org forward slash Bainbridge.
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We emailed all the city officials whose emails
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we could get asking them for comment, did
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not hear back by deadline.
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But we invite any of the corporations that
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are involved as well as any local county
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or state officials or federal officials, for that
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matter, on at any time.
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All right, the lines are popping.
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People are upset about this.
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Nilo Farr in Dallas, Texas, your question or
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thought?
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Hi.
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Off-topic comments first.
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I watched the documentary par excellence, The Failed
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Experiments, and plan on a watch party in
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the near future.
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Question regarding the massive monkey prison that may
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be launched in Georgia.
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Will caged, raped, and bred individuals be designed
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to last for regulatory purposes, or else be
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used for curiosity experiments, fleecing the taxpayer to
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the tune of $20 billion with a B,
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US dollar per annum?
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Such a great question.
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If I might just jump in there, Jane.
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There are no regulatory requirements for monkeys anymore.
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Since the passage of the FDA Modernisation Act
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2.0 last year, the FDA has the
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authority to approve medications without the use of
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animals entirely.
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Contrary to the lies told by this new
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company, monkeys were never specifically required for drug
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testing.
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There are no real reasons anymore to use
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these animals, and certainly scientifically, no necessity for
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it.
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Thank you for mentioning The Failed Experiments.
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It's our new docuseries about animal experimentation.
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We're really proud of it.
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Wow, can't wait to watch that.
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All right, Michelle in Los Angeles, your question
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or thought for Kathy Guillermo, Senior Vice President
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of Laboratory Investigations for PETA.
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Thank you so much for having me on.
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This is horrific and shocking.
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I've never heard about this.
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I know PETA is out there getting the
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message out, but is there a way?
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Is the government going to be stepping in?
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How are we getting the message out, and
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how can we help?
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Well, the sad fact is I'll jump in
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and say the government is often the problem,
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but you take it away, Kathy.
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Yeah, that's right.
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The government is complicit in the use of
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monkeys.
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In fact, the Centres for Disease Control, which
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oversees the quarantine of imported monkeys, is a
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massive monkey experimenter itself.
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We have an issue with the fact that
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the government hires companies like this to buy
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monkeys from.
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They put them on contract, Charles River Laboratories,
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for example.
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It has multiple contracts with the U.S.
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government, so the government's definitely complicit.
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This situation in Georgia has made national and
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international headlines, but if you missed it, definitely
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go to PETA.org, and you can take
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action there because it's a national issue.
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It's not as though there are going to
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be 30,000 monkeys who go to this
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facility and that's that.
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There are going to be thousands of monkeys
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going in and out of this facility.
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They're going to be trucked across the United
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States.
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They may be passing through the states that
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you're in on their way to laboratories.
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We know monkeys bring disease in, no fault
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of their own.
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These stressed animals, many of them ripped out
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of their own forest homes, and these diseases
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are transmissible to humans, so it's a huge
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national concern as well as a local and
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state one.
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All right, our next caller, Tanya in Dallas,
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Texas.
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Your question or thought for Kathy Guillermo of
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People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals.
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Hi, I was wondering what is the background
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of the group that's building, going to be
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operating this facility, trying to operate this facility?
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Well, I think dastardly would be the word
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that I would use.
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The man who is going to be or
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is the CEO of Safer Human Medicine used
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to be the vice president and chief operating
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officer at, wait for it, the InVegal Beagle
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facility in Virginia, which was exposed in a
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PETA undercover investigation, eventually investigated by the U
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.S. Department of Justice, was compelled to close
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down, agreed to close down under threat of
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federal lawsuit, and released 4,000 beagles for
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adoption.
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So he hasn't exactly got a great track
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record.
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One of the other three people involved comes
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from Charles River Laboratories, where he was an
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executive in charge of importing monkeys.
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Let me just remind our audience, in case
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they don't know, Charles River is under investigation
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for possibly illegally importing monkeys into the U
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.S., and they're under investigation by not only
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the Fish and Wildlife Service and the Department
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of Justice, but the U.S. Securities and
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Exchange Commission for alleged irregularities.
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So it's a very checkered past these people
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bring to it.
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And I would like to play a clip
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provided by PETA that talks about, essentially, this
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is one of the people who is running
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this company that wants to open this monkey
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breeding facility.
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Here's what he told the people of Bainbridge,
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and then you can respond to it.
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So COVID happened, and when you produce beagles,
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typically they're used at 69 months for the
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research.
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So there was almost zero demand for canines,
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right?
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We could have, and then totally legal, we
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could have euthanised all of those dogs, right?
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And I said, no, we didn't try and
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make money on it.
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All right.
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What's your take on that recorded conversation?
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That was a bald-faced lie, a bald
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-faced lie.
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For years, that facility had treated those dogs
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as little more than commodities to be sold,
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which is what they were.
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Hundreds of puppies dying, terrible teeth, beagles crammed
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together in cages, barking their heads off because
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they're just so miserable, untreated veterinary conditions.
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It was a mess, and it was a
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mess on his watch.
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So to come on to the video that
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was recorded or to say to the people
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of Bainbridge, hey, it wasn't our fault, it
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was the pandemic, outright lie.
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Wow.
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Okay.
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Lindsay in Tarzana, your question or thought for
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Kathy Guillermo of People for the Ethical Treatment
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of Animals.
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Lindsay?
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Can you hear me?
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Yes.
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I just wanted to restate, I had the
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opportunity to interview Dr. Lisa Engel Jones from
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PETA, and she talked about, we talked about
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the truck accident and the individual that went
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up to and opened the curtain thinking they
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were cats and got a face full of
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monkeys, a spittle in their face, and then
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they had to go and be tested, and
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they're still, they still can have disease as
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a result of that.
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It's so unhealthy for the public.
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Animal testing fails in the human model.
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Why are we still doing it?
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We really, everyone, please help by taking action
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on this.
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Thank you.
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Yeah.
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And I want to remind everybody, if so
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many people are outraged, we're getting a lot
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of, take that outrage and visit peta.org
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forward slash Bainbridge, B-A-I-N-B
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-R-I-D-G-E.
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This is the city, the town really, where
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they want to build this massive monkey breeding
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facility.
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You can go there, you can write to
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city officials, you can get involved.
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It can't just be PETA doing it on
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their own.
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PETA needs to mobilise people.
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That's why we're doing this today, to get
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every single person who writes an email.
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And it's so easy.
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They have all the emails gathered in one
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spot.
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You copy it, you put it in, and
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you write your email.
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That will help.
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And so, yeah.
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Why?
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Why didn't the city, these cities, and this
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is similar to what happened in Hendry County,
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Florida, which was yet another attempt to build
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one of these massive monkey breeding facilities, which
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PETA again stopped.
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So they stopped it in Puerto Rico, they
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stopped it in Hendry County, but it always
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seems like somebody comes in and tells the
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city, you're going to make a lot of
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money.
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And they kind of believe that this is
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somehow going to bring in bucks, when in
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fact, I think the opposite could be true.
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Oh, I think very much so, especially when
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the bottom falls out of the monkey experimentation
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market.
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And it seems to us from the records
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that we have reviewed, that this was a
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project that the company brought to the development
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authority, the development authority in collaboration with the
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city, put this proposal together.
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And there was very little notice before the
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meeting.
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They didn't realise they were going to need
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to be voting on it that day.
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It doesn't excuse anything.
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These are public officials who need to know
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what they're about to bring to their city.
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But it does appear that they swallowed wholeheartedly
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the lies of Safer Human Medicine, that these
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were going to be desirable jobs, as though
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making $16 an hour, taking care of abused
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monkeys is a desirable job, that there would
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be no threat to the community.
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This facility is about a quarter of a
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mile from the Flint River, and at full
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capacity will be producing 444,000 gallons of
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wastewater by their own statistics.
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And it's less than 300 feet from some
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people's houses, some people's yards.
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It was very ill-conceived.
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So I'm sure the people in that area,
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and we've seen the photos that I got
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off of the PETA website of people, there
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they have tables against this, they're attending meetings
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against this, they're holding up signs, they're filing
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lawsuits or a lawsuit.
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I mean, doesn't that hold sway with the
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town?
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It does with some of the officials, and
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I have to hand it to the citizens
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of Bainbridge.
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What a great group of people who have
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worked so hard to defeat this, and have
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been at every meeting and have been to
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see their officials and have been out in
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the streets and educating the public, and they
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have a website and they have a Facebook
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page, which you can find if you go
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to PETA.org.
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And they've done just a tremendous job.
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And it is, I have to say, disappointing
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that the city has not yet backed off
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this plan officially.
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They released a statement saying, we've heard you
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loud and clear, we don't support it, we
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will not be taking any further action.
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However, what we need is for the city
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to take action and to admit that they
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violated the Open Meetings Act to some degree
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at least, and to reject the proposal that
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they approved.
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If you can prove, and it seems pretty
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obvious from what I've looked at, that yes,
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they did violate the Open Meetings Act.
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There was something like a 50 plus million
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dollar benefit to this corporation, what you'd characterise
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as a sweetheart deal to encourage them to
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come there?
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I mean, shouldn't it be the other way?
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I don't understand.
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You know, it's a mystery to me why
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they thought this was going to be desirable
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business to have in their backyard.
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Now, I understand communities wanting to bring businesses
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in, I understand them offering incentives, but the
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sweetheart deal that this company got is almost
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beyond belief.
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Yes, 58 million dollars in tax incentives, they
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wouldn't be paying full taxes for at least
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a decade after they moved in, if they're
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still in business.
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This is money the city and the county
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may never recoup if this goes through.
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There were all kinds of other promises made
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to them, including, you know, we will smooth
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the way for the permitting process for you,
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we will use our lobbyists to help you
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gain all the incentives that you needed.
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It's just almost unbelievable.
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Wow, okay.
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We've got Emick in Los Angeles, your question
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or thought for Kathy Guillermo, people for the
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ethical treatment of animals.
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Hello, I really love your work, it's always
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inspiring, thank you.
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So the ignorance of officials is criminal as
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usual when it comes to animals, and we
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know animal tests don't benefit humans, then it's
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just abused on the hands of humans, and
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it causes suffering to animals and humans, because
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humans are waiting for a cure through these
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experiments that is never going to come.
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So I'm curious, like, to me, anyone who
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brings animal testing and abuse must be fired
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immediately, it's 2024.
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How can we demand that animal abusers are
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filtered out of the hiring process, or the
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election process, even from the government position, so
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we can prevent wasting lives of poor animals
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and resources before these crimes reach government level?
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Excellent question, Kathy.
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Well, you know, we've got a plan for
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the phase out of animal experimentation called the
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research modernisation deal, and we do ask our
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supporters to get in touch with their members
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of Congress about it and ask them to
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support it.
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It lays out the case for the fact
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that animal experiments have failed to produce cures
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and treatments for humans who desperately need it.
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What we have to overcome is this massive
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industry of people like Safer Human Medicine, and
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Charles River, and these companies that import and
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breed and sell animals, the cage makers, the
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food makers, and the experimenters themselves who learned
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one way of doing science, and even though
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it's not working, can't bring themselves to change
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that way.
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I will say, finally, after many years of
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submitting formal comments of protesting the National Institutes
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of Health, the biggest funder of animal experimentation,
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we're starting to see a little bit of
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movement and support for non-animal methods.
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There's a long way to go.
22:11
The best thing you can do is get
22:12
in touch with their legislators and remind them
22:15
that they need to take action.
22:16
We have many members of Congress on our
22:18
side now, so I think this is doable.
22:21
And I have to say, just when I
22:23
was getting ready to do this broadcast, PETA,
22:26
who never sleeps, came up with a victory,
22:30
and I decided, let's talk about it here.
22:33
Dear Jane, in a PETA victory, this was
22:35
this morning, baby rats will no longer be
22:37
fed an iron deficient diet to induce anaemia
22:40
in cruel experiments in which they are fed
22:42
a test food and their blood is repeatedly
22:45
taken, conducted by companies wanting to make iron
22:48
-related health claims for marketing their food or
22:50
beverage products in Taiwan.
22:52
Tell us about this victory.
22:54
Well, yes, this is one of a string
22:57
of victories in Taiwan.
22:58
We're working systematically to end the testing involving
23:03
animals for food ingredients and food products.
23:06
It's a marketing issue.
23:08
That's all it is.
23:09
They want to do these horrible tests on
23:10
animals where they force feed them things, run
23:13
them on treadmills so that they can make
23:15
claims about how healthy food ingredients are.
23:18
The science is not there to back it.
23:21
And so we have been working with the
23:23
Taiwanese government and the officials there to remove
23:27
their requirements for animal testing for a whole
23:30
host of claims.
23:31
And this is the most recent.
23:33
This will now be a direction of the
23:36
government agency in Taiwan that these tests are
23:39
no longer required, no longer necessary in order
23:42
to make health claims about iron-related products.
23:45
Wow.
23:46
Okay.
23:46
We've got yet another caller, Tiffany in Los
23:48
Angeles, your question or thought for Kathy Guillermo
23:51
of PETA.
23:53
Yes.
23:54
Thank you so much for spreading the word
23:56
about this and what we can do to
23:58
sign the petition and go to the PETA
24:01
site.
24:01
Also, do you think that they'll be planning
24:03
any mass demonstration or a type of rally?
24:07
I'm sure folks from all over would like
24:09
to attend.
24:11
Yeah.
24:12
I see the photos of the folks there
24:17
going to meetings, et cetera.
24:21
If I go back, if I hearken back
24:23
to our time where we successfully, and I
24:26
say we, I was a little tiny little
24:29
blip, PETA did this, stopped the Hendry, well,
24:34
the Puerto Rico and the Hendry County, particularly
24:36
the Hendry County plan, Hendry County, Florida, very
24:40
similar situation.
24:42
Company comes in, all of a sudden there's
24:44
like backroom dealing allegedly.
24:47
And suddenly they've got this plan for this
24:50
massive monkey breeding facility.
24:51
PETA did, correct me if I'm wrong, an
24:53
undercover investigation at the facility that was going
24:56
to be the basis or the home site
25:03
for the new facility.
25:05
And I can tell you what stopped it
25:08
was PETA and a lot of extremely confrontational
25:15
protests by local residents.
25:18
And I'll never forget this moment where there
25:21
we are outside the Hendry County courthouse.
25:24
And some of the proponents of this monkey
25:26
breeding facility said, these are animal rights extremists.
25:29
And all of a sudden, about 20 old
25:31
ladies in tennis shoes, one of whom was
25:33
wearing a little hat with a plastic orange
25:35
on her head, in their eighties were like,
25:39
you're going to call us animal rights activists.
25:41
We're, we're citizens.
25:43
We don't want to ruin our beautiful state
25:46
and our beautiful community.
25:47
Clearly these were local residencies, weren't some animal
25:52
activists who came in from out of state.
25:55
It was, as was alleged, I was out
25:56
of state, but I was there as a
25:58
reporter, but they had to get really in
26:02
your face with these Hendry County commissioners till
26:05
they really felt like, oh, my career's over
26:09
if I don't, it can't just be polite.
26:12
Unfortunately, I wish it could.
26:15
Well, I'll tell you the residents of Bainbridge
26:17
have been very much in the faces of
26:19
their officials.
26:20
They've been to the city, the city meetings
26:23
and the County commissioners, dozens of them have
26:25
spoken publicly and, and quite loudly.
26:28
And because Bainbridge is a small town, they
26:31
see these people on the streets and they're
26:33
in their faces on the streets.
26:34
There has been at least one protest.
26:36
And I think there will be more at
26:38
the moment.
26:39
The, the method that, that what we have
26:42
needed is for people to speak out to
26:44
their legislative representatives, to the officials in those
26:47
meetings.
26:48
And, and that I think will lead to
26:51
the kind of protests that you're talking about
26:53
on a national level at the moment there,
26:56
there is the most effective thing that people
26:58
can do is take, take action on our
27:00
website, send those emails.
27:01
It is a national issue.
27:03
Yes.
27:04
Okay.
27:04
And there it's, I want to clarify, because
27:07
if you go to pita.org forward slash
27:10
Bainbridge, you can write to the local city
27:12
officials, but you can also write to, let's
27:16
say your senators, your members of Congress.
27:19
Can you break it down for us?
27:21
Yeah.
27:21
You know, it's, it's important, I think, first
27:24
of all, to let the city know they
27:26
are, and I, I believe this is correct.
27:29
Some of them are very ashamed that they
27:31
have made international news that they're seeing the
27:34
city of Bainbridge on a Facebook page in
27:36
France because of the upcoming abuse of monkeys.
27:39
And they're, and they're very sensitive to this
27:41
publicity.
27:42
They, they are sensitive to criticism from outside.
27:45
So that's why I think it's important for
27:46
everybody to get in touch with the city
27:48
officials and, and the other officials there.
27:50
It's also important to go to the congressional
27:54
representatives in this state.
27:56
There are thousands and thousands of constituents who
27:59
oppose this.
28:00
We believe that the, that the congressman there,
28:04
Sanford Bishop, Representative Bishop, should be making a
28:07
statement about this.
28:09
What these legislators can do may be somewhat
28:11
limited based on the court cases and the
28:13
procedure in the county, but they can certainly
28:16
say we stand with the residents of Decatur
28:19
County and the citizens of Bainbridge.
28:21
The same for the two senators, Senator Ossoff
28:23
and Senator Warnock.
28:24
We have met with locals, with all of
28:28
the staff members and with some of these
28:29
legislators via Zoom.
28:32
The locals have expressed their concern.
28:35
These legislators know the citizens oppose it.
28:37
And I think it's shameful that they have
28:39
not yet made a statement standing with their
28:42
own constituents in opposition to safer human medicine.
28:46
I've often said it's sad, but when you're
28:48
starting, when you're trying to stop any of
28:50
this stuff, it's really, you got to get
28:53
to a math, it's like game theory.
28:54
When it's more painful for them to support
28:58
it in terms of their career, in terms
29:01
of their reputation, in terms of money, in
29:03
terms of just chaos in their lives, that's
29:07
when it doesn't matter whether it's somebody selling
29:10
fur, some company selling fur or situations like
29:14
this, that's when they stop.
29:16
The pressure has to be on.
29:19
And this is why I say everybody, I've
29:22
already done it.
29:23
As a journalist, I emailed every city official
29:26
on the PETA.org forward slash Bainbridge site
29:32
saying we were doing this story, listing some
29:35
of the allegations, asking for a response.
29:38
And I can also write as a citizen.
29:40
I will also write as a citizen, but
29:42
we need everybody to do that.
29:44
If you're upset, when you look at the
29:46
photos of these animals and it breaks my
29:49
heart, look at their fear, look at their
29:52
terror.
29:53
These are our ancestors, our relatives, and we
29:56
are torturing them for no reason.
30:00
But that people are stuck in their ways
30:02
and they are wanting more money for their
30:05
McMansions, fake science.
30:08
And that's what I say, fake science, scam
30:11
artists.
30:12
Because 90% or more of the experiments
30:16
that work in animals don't work in humans.
30:20
And let's go to one more caller and
30:22
then we're going to come back.
30:23
Oh, we got two more callers.
30:25
Okay.
30:26
Annie and Sherman Oaks, your question or thought.
30:31
Yes.
30:31
Thank you so much.
30:32
Hi, Kathy.
30:33
Hi, Jane.
30:33
Thank you so much for having this.
30:34
This is something that really bleeds my heart.
30:38
Being in the psychology department, I remember universities
30:43
having a big role in this too.
30:45
And they actually want the funding to come
30:49
big, billions of dollars of our taxes go
30:52
to experiments.
30:53
How can we block all governmental, not only
30:57
in Georgia, they do all these bleeding of
31:00
animals, torturing them for money and it never
31:04
works.
31:05
How can we stop governmental from the root?
31:08
What can we do?
31:09
And I'm more than ready to volunteer to
31:11
do with PETA, whatever is needed.
31:14
So thank you so much for all that
31:16
you're doing.
31:17
Well, let me ask you, Annie, are you
31:19
going to go to PETA.org forward slash
31:21
Bainbridge and write those emails?
31:25
Absolutely.
31:26
Absolutely.
31:27
And I will share them and I will
31:29
do it again and again.
31:31
Absolutely.
31:32
Okay.
31:32
Thank you.
31:33
All right.
31:34
Kathy, what do you say?
31:36
Well, you know, there are several things that
31:38
can be done.
31:39
It needs to be stopped on the local
31:40
level and it needs to be stopped on
31:42
the national level, locally or in your state.
31:45
If there are universities in your state that
31:48
are experimenting on animals, and it's likely that
31:50
there are, be in touch with those universities
31:53
and say, you don't, you will not support
31:55
them.
31:55
You want them to stop it.
31:57
If you're a member of an alumni or
31:59
association, or you are an alumni of a
32:01
university alumni, I think of a university that
32:06
experiments on animals, let them know you will
32:08
never be contributing to that university because of
32:11
the experimentation on animals.
32:13
It's important.
32:13
And I want to jump in and say
32:15
that my alma mater NYU calls me every
32:19
so often.
32:20
And I say, until you stop all animal
32:23
experimentation, I am not giving a penny to
32:27
NYU, not a single penny.
32:29
Please pass that along to upstairs.
32:33
I say it every time.
32:35
Fantastic.
32:36
That's exactly what needs to be done.
32:38
Then on the national level, we have the
32:40
National Institutes of Health, which doles out about
32:43
$19 billion to various facilities, mainly universities in
32:47
the US and overseas.
32:49
And they have a long way to go.
32:52
And the only thing that is going to
32:54
change it is public outcries.
32:55
Just as you said, Jane, it's got to
32:57
be pressure and it's got to be constant.
32:59
It's got to be more painful for them
33:01
to do this than to stop it.
33:03
And that's both pressure on NIH.
33:06
And you can do that through many of
33:07
the action alerts on our website and also
33:09
members of Congress.
33:10
There are two things, if I may say
33:12
for members of Congress, one is to urge
33:14
them to support the research modernisation deal or
33:17
the RMD as we call it.
33:19
And the second is a very important bill
33:21
that we're working on.
33:22
It's called the Cargo Act.
33:23
It's CEAS Animal Research.
33:28
Okay, I forget what it stands for offhand.
33:32
But it's at foreign facilities.
33:34
And we've given about $2 billion to laboratories
33:39
in other countries to experiment on animals.
33:42
And as PETA uncovered in the country of
33:45
Colombia, there's nobody paying attention to what's going
33:49
on.
33:49
The Cargo Act will stop funding animal experiments
33:53
overseas by NIH, not non-animal research, that
33:57
may continue.
33:58
But these foreign labs that are doing things
34:00
like addicting dogs to opioids and blinding and
34:04
cutting out the eyes of mice and monkeys
34:06
and causing strokes in monkeys, that could be
34:09
stopped.
34:09
So urge your representatives to support that bill.
34:12
And it seems so crazy to me, we
34:14
went through a pandemic, whether you believe it
34:17
started in the Wuhan wet market or the
34:22
Wuhan lab, the commonality is animals were being
34:25
tortured.
34:26
And you would think you would learn, especially
34:29
with the controversy over the Wuhan lab, that
34:31
the United States shouldn't be handing out money
34:34
to foreign laboratories with zero oversight.
34:38
They shouldn't be handing out money to do
34:40
animal experiments, period.
34:42
And how is it that even despite the
34:45
pandemic, they haven't gotten this lesson?
34:47
It's crazy and makes no sense.
34:49
And I think, you know, with regard to
34:51
the Georgia facility, the disease issue is very
34:54
serious.
34:55
I mean, we know from the CDC's own
34:57
records that the number of animals coming into
35:00
this country with diseases transmissible to humans like
35:03
malaria and tuberculosis has skyrocketed in the last
35:07
several years.
35:08
And there are diseases in our country now
35:11
that haven't been here before or haven't been
35:13
identified here before, including a new strain of
35:16
tuberculosis.
35:17
There's actually a disease, a pathogen that causes
35:20
a disease called Melioidosis, hard to say, but
35:24
just remember this, it's considered a tier one
35:27
select agent that could be used for bioterrorism.
35:30
It's now in our soils, in our soil
35:32
in this country, and it has come in
35:34
with monkeys.
35:35
So I think we really need to pay
35:37
attention to this.
35:38
And for some reason, the very agencies, the
35:41
CDC and the NIH that are supposed to
35:43
protect us from these pandemics are enabling the
35:47
transport of monkeys with diseases and with pathogens
35:50
to come into this country.
35:51
It really makes no sense.
35:53
And they escape.
35:55
One of the things that people, and I
35:59
think this could be a real strong talking
36:01
point for the people of Bainbridge, there's a
36:04
history of these monkeys escaping.
36:06
They're smart and they find ways out and
36:09
then they go into the community and it's
36:11
happened time and time again.
36:13
Can you address that Kathy?
36:14
Yes, it's inevitable.
36:16
It's not a matter of if it will
36:17
happen, but when it will happen.
36:19
Monkeys and chimpanzees and other animals or other
36:23
primates have escaped from so-called, you know,
36:26
upscale for lack of a better word facilities,
36:30
facilities that are considered prestigious.
36:33
They've escaped in Texas, in Louisiana, in Florida,
36:37
in North Carolina, and in many other places.
36:40
And yes, they don't want to be in
36:41
these cages.
36:42
If they can figure out a way to
36:43
get out, they're going to get out and
36:45
they're going to get out with their diseases.
36:47
The accident, the road accident in Pennsylvania that
36:50
one of the callers referred to earlier was
36:53
a shipload of monkeys coming in on a
36:55
plane to New York and being trucked across
36:58
country to some unknown facility.
37:01
And there was a car accident and a
37:03
truck accident in Pennsylvania.
37:05
The crates that you see the pictures of
37:07
here spilled out onto the road.
37:10
And the people who stopped to help didn't
37:12
know what animals were in them.
37:14
The woman who got some monkey saliva in
37:18
her eye was told that there were cats
37:20
in these crates.
37:22
So she went up to try to help
37:23
and ended up in an emergency room and
37:25
undergoing a course of therapy to make sure
37:27
she didn't contract herpes B, a nearly universal
37:31
fatal illness that monkeys carry without a problem.
37:35
But when it gets into a human system,
37:37
you die.
37:38
23 lab workers have died of herpes B.
37:40
So these are very serious issues.
37:42
All right, we've got Susan in Dallas, Texas,
37:45
your question or thought for Kathy Guillermo.
37:48
Hi.
37:50
First, I really wanted to thank you, Eugene,
37:53
for doing this show and also Peter for
37:55
all your incredible work.
37:57
My question is, have we thought about or
38:00
is there any way to question the company
38:03
itself?
38:04
Because it seems to me safer human medicine
38:07
is a lie, as we all know.
38:10
So can we approach that?
38:13
You know, it's a good question.
38:16
And we certainly would like to.
38:18
This company is shrouded in some mystery.
38:21
It was just incorporated about a year ago.
38:24
There are only three names associated with it,
38:27
men who came from other companies with troubled
38:30
pasts.
38:31
We only know of one funder.
38:33
It's an investment firm that funds the development
38:38
of pharmaceuticals, from what we can tell.
38:41
They are not interested in going and not
38:43
carrying this through, however.
38:45
I mean, these are people who aren't going
38:47
to live in the state of Georgia.
38:48
They would like to plop this facility down
38:50
and then go back to their, you know,
38:53
their homes and communities that are much safer.
38:55
And I don't think there's any talking to
38:57
them about it.
38:58
They want to steamroller this through despite the
39:01
objections of the citizens.
39:02
And they've said as much, you know, we
39:04
really don't care that you don't want this
39:06
in your community.
39:07
We want to make this happen.
39:09
Wow.
39:10
I just want to go back and just,
39:13
first of all, applaud PETA for being relentless
39:17
and never, never stopping because of the situation
39:22
in Puerto Rico that I remember happening where
39:25
they tried to build a similar facility.
39:28
Oh my gosh.
39:29
I think that was way back in something
39:31
like 2009.
39:33
That sounds about right.
39:35
Yeah.
39:35
And so you stopped it there.
39:38
And again, you had to take it all
39:39
the way up to the Puerto Rican Supreme
39:40
Court to stop it.
39:42
And this is what they did there is
39:44
they built the entire facility first, and then
39:47
they asked for permission, probably, you know, handing
39:51
out God only knows what.
39:53
But because they didn't get the proper permits,
39:57
it went all the way up to the
39:58
Puerto Rican Supreme Court.
39:59
They weren't allowed to open that facility.
40:01
Then we had a situation in Hendry County
40:04
where there was a plan to bring in
40:10
a new facility.
40:12
There was some guy who came from out
40:14
of town who was kind of like promoting
40:17
it.
40:19
And it was such a saga.
40:24
I remember that there was a moment where
40:28
all the different counties were going to show
40:31
off their business plans and everything they were
40:35
going to do for new business.
40:37
And we were there at this event in
40:40
Fort Myers, sitting at all these tables.
40:43
And there was this one activist who said,
40:45
I really don't want to be here.
40:47
And I said, well, you don't have to
40:48
be here if you don't want to.
40:49
We bought tickets.
40:50
We're here.
40:51
Let's just see what happens.
40:53
And we were just sitting there as Hendry
40:55
County did their entire presentation, never mentioning the
40:58
proposed monkey facility.
41:00
And this same woman who was so reluctant
41:03
to be there suddenly jumped up.
41:06
This happened, ran to the front of the
41:07
stage, jumped on the stage and said, you
41:11
are lying.
41:12
You are omitting the huge monkey breeding facility
41:15
you want to put here.
41:16
All hell broke loose.
41:18
And that was the end of it.
41:20
And then when we drove up to investigate
41:22
further, a few days later or a week
41:25
later, sometime later, the guy who had come
41:28
from out of town to push this whole
41:30
thing had left.
41:32
And literally, it was like he cleared out
41:34
and fled.
41:35
The door to his home was open.
41:38
And we just walked in and we looked.
41:40
It was like he skipped town.
41:44
That has never lost me, never left me,
41:47
that whole saga, where one protester who at
41:53
first didn't want to be there, but then
41:54
when she heard the dissembling and saw that
41:58
they were going to hide this big plan,
42:01
just lost it and jumped up there.
42:03
She wasn't violent, but she disrupted the whole
42:05
thing and said, you're leaving out your big
42:07
plan.
42:08
And it made the news.
42:10
It was chaos.
42:12
And that's what did it in.
42:14
I personally believe, obviously, along with the great
42:16
work of PETA, it just shows you one
42:18
potent activist really putting her foot down and
42:23
being disruptive in a peaceful, nonviolent way, that
42:26
can also help.
42:28
It's everything, Jane.
42:30
It's everything.
42:31
And as far as sticking to a campaign,
42:33
well, that comes directly from my boss, Ingrid
42:34
Newkirk, who always says animals don't need five
42:37
-minute friends.
42:38
We've got to start something and we've got
42:40
to see it through.
42:41
And I have to also let your audience
42:43
know that Charles River is trying to put
42:45
a similar facility in Texas.
42:48
And we've worked with the locals there.
42:50
We're perhaps in a slightly better place there
42:53
now than we are in Georgia, because Charles
42:56
River has said, look, we didn't know there
42:57
would be such opposition.
42:59
We're putting this plan on hold for the
43:00
moment.
43:01
The fight's not over, but the point is
43:04
this can happen anywhere.
43:06
This can happen in your community.
43:07
If you think it's just Georgia or you
43:09
think it's just Brazoria County, Texas, it's not.
43:12
It can be anywhere where there's a piece
43:14
of land where somebody thinks they can make
43:15
money by buying and selling monkeys like they're
43:18
slaves.
43:20
Wow.
43:20
Well, we have a lot of people who
43:22
called in from Texas today.
43:24
So what can they do?
43:27
Is Brazoria County where they were trying to
43:30
plan this?
43:30
That's right.
43:31
It's down by the Gulf Coast.
43:33
They want to put in a facility that's
43:36
on a wetlands area, which of course is
43:38
extremely dangerous for a whole lot of reasons.
43:41
And in both Texas and Georgia, the storm
43:44
issues are significant.
43:45
There are hurricane areas, there are flood areas.
43:48
And if you know, I spoke with an
43:50
organisation that does a lot of work with
43:52
small animal shelters in Georgia.
43:53
And she said, when there's a storm and
43:55
there's a flood, it is a disaster when
43:57
you have 50 dogs in a facility.
44:00
Imagine you have a flood and there's 30
44:01
,000 monkeys in them.
44:03
But as far as to answer your question,
44:06
what people can do is just go to
44:07
PETA.org and you'll see information about the
44:10
Texas facility or simply Google PETA Brazoria County.
44:15
That's B-R-A-Z-O-R-I
44:16
-A.
44:17
And unlike in Georgia, we've had the good
44:20
ear of many legislators who are listening to
44:23
their constituents and the city and the county
44:26
officials in that community have listened to their
44:29
constituents.
44:30
And that's what we need to happen in
44:32
Georgia as well.
44:33
Wow.
44:34
Well, I hope that some residents of Bainbridge
44:37
are watching or we can send them this
44:39
video because I could tell them, step it
44:42
up, step it up.
44:44
I mean, daily protests.
44:47
Daily protests and three cheers for those folks
44:50
who are working so hard to stop this.
44:52
It is everything.
44:54
I can't emphasise enough, Jane, as you've said
44:56
that sometimes it's one activist, sometimes it's 10
44:59
,000, but the more the better and the
45:02
more constant, the better.
45:04
And being oh so very polite is not
45:11
going to work.
45:12
It's not going to work.
45:14
We have to raise our voices for the
45:17
animals because the bad guys don't really hear
45:22
until we speak forcefully.
45:25
Polite letters, I wish I was wrong.
45:28
I wish polite letters would work, but throughout
45:33
all of these campaigns, it always starts with
45:35
a polite letter, doesn't it?
45:38
In virtually every case.
45:39
And you're right, silence is death for animals.
45:42
They don't have the time to wait for
45:43
us to be quiet and to be polite.
45:46
We need to be loud and we need
45:47
to know we're right and we need to
45:49
keep it up.
45:50
So let's talk, you said that there were
45:52
promising aspects to what's happening with animal experimentation.
45:57
The research modernisation deal, where does that stand?
46:03
Because what is it in a nutshell and
46:05
where does it stand?
46:06
The research modernisation deal was developed by scientists
46:10
at PETA in response to requests from the
46:12
Dutch government who was looking for a plan
46:15
to phase out the use of animals.
46:16
And so on very short notice, we put
46:19
together all the information that we already had,
46:21
but had never quite been put together in
46:23
a strategy before.
46:26
And what it does is lay out the
46:28
evidence that shows the failure of animal experiments.
46:31
For example, the 95 to a hundred percent
46:34
failure of all treatments for many serious disease
46:37
areas that have not worked in humans, even
46:40
though they appear to be promising in animals.
46:43
And then it's a strategy, a five-point
46:44
strategy that says, here's what officials need to
46:48
do.
46:49
First of all, when we know an area
46:51
of animal experimentation is not working, say sepsis
46:55
experiments on animals, sepsis of course being what
46:59
happens to so many people in hospitals when
47:01
their body reacts to infection and can shut
47:04
down, kills more than a hundred thousand people
47:06
a year.
47:07
150 drugs developed in mice, none of them
47:10
worked in humans.
47:11
So when we know an area of research
47:13
on animals is not working, stop it immediately.
47:16
We know it doesn't work, quit putting good
47:19
money after bad.
47:20
The second is to find out scientifically every
47:24
other area that we're not sure about.
47:26
Conduct those systematic reviews, put together the evidence,
47:29
which we know is there, that it's not
47:31
working, and then stop those areas.
47:33
And then there are a number of other
47:35
steps involving implementation of non-animal methods.
47:38
We have to change the committees that review
47:41
the proposals for funding at NIH, because these
47:45
committees are largely composed of animal experimenters, and
47:48
we need people with expertise in non-animal
47:50
methods.
47:51
We need the government to get behind education
47:54
on non-animal methods.
47:55
The methods are there.
47:56
This isn't a matter of we have to
47:58
develop a whole lot of new things.
47:59
It's there.
48:00
But we need to encourage young researchers to
48:04
follow this information, to learn about non-animal
48:07
methods, and we need to take the pressure
48:09
off graduate students in the sciences to do
48:13
animal experiments, which is something we exposed in
48:16
a short documentary called Test Subjects, about three
48:19
of our scientists who were compelled to do
48:21
animal experiments in order to get their doctoral
48:23
degrees.
48:24
And it was so devastating for them.
48:27
It changed the whole course of their careers.
48:29
Oh, I can't even imagine.
48:31
I mean, this is also across the board.
48:33
I've talked to people who are in vet
48:35
school who don't want to do animal experimentation
48:38
or cruel whatever, and they're like, well, I
48:42
need to become, I've invested so much to
48:45
become a veterinarian.
48:46
But there are people who have made history
48:49
by refusing to do vivisection, and filing a
48:52
lawsuit, and finding out that a lot of
48:55
their fellow students feel the same way, but
48:57
were unwilling to reveal it for fear of
49:01
repercussion.
49:02
And then when one person, again, when one
49:04
person stands up and does it, a lot
49:06
of other people say, I feel the same
49:08
way.
49:08
I didn't want to say anything, but I
49:09
don't want to do this either.
49:11
So that's why it's so important for one
49:13
person to take a committed stand and stick
49:17
their neck out.
49:17
Is that not true?
49:18
Oh, it's completely true.
49:20
I mean, we do a lot of lawsuits,
49:23
because this is why, because we've got to
49:26
fight these things.
49:27
And sometimes it's one person and one lawsuit
49:29
that does it.
49:30
And just to answer the second part of
49:32
your question, Jane, where it stands now is
49:34
that members of Congress know what the research
49:37
modernisation deal is.
49:38
We now need those members of Congress to
49:40
compel NIH to take the steps we outlined.
49:43
We're gaining traction in Europe.
49:45
We know in England and certainly in the
49:47
European parliament, we have support.
49:49
And the members of the European parliament have
49:51
even voted to compel the commission to come
49:55
up with a plan to phase out experimentation.
49:56
And they did this after they read the
49:58
research modernisation deal.
50:00
So there is progress, but it can be
50:03
slow unless we really keep at it.
50:06
So again, pardon me if I'm a little
50:09
confused about this, because I thought maybe this
50:11
passed, but has it been signed into law?
50:15
In Europe, do you mean?
50:17
No, the research modernisation deal.
50:20
Not yet.
50:21
At the moment, we are still at the
50:23
point where we need members of Congress to
50:26
not only be familiar with what it is,
50:29
but to take action with the National Institutes
50:31
of Health.
50:32
I think the Cargo Act that I mentioned
50:34
earlier is really their first step in that
50:37
direction and the FDA Modernisation Act as well,
50:40
frankly.
50:41
But the Cargo Act, which says, okay, this
50:43
is a bridge too far when we're sending
50:45
this money overseas.
50:46
It needs to end everywhere.
50:48
Let's start with where we don't have any
50:50
oversight of it.
50:51
It has not passed yet.
50:52
It needs to.
50:53
What we've seen is that the National Institutes
50:55
of Health under the new director, Director Burton
50:58
Yole, have made a commitment to supporting non
51:03
-animal methods and implementing non-animal methods.
51:05
And they did this under pressure from people
51:08
within NIH and from our scientists who have
51:11
consistently and repeatedly pointed the way forward for
51:15
them.
51:15
And we were really happy to see in
51:17
the new announcement that they made about two
51:18
weeks ago about this, that many of the
51:20
steps that we had recommended were included.
51:23
So it's positive, but it's all in the
51:26
doing.
51:27
You can say a lot of things, but
51:28
if it's not done, it doesn't make any
51:31
difference.
51:31
And that's why we still need people to
51:33
be in touch with members of Congress about
51:34
it.
51:35
And we only have a couple of minutes
51:37
left.
51:37
I just want to cover some of the
51:38
hideous, idiotic experiments.
51:41
I was actually calling and I didn't get
51:44
a pickup on an experiment.
51:48
Names aside, because journalistically, I would have to
51:52
reach out to them, but I did try
51:55
to reach out.
51:55
But after business hours, they're subjecting monkeys to
51:59
severe noises every 15 minutes to test what?
52:03
What nonsense?
52:05
You know, this is a, just a crazy
52:07
experiment.
52:08
And what we don't go into in the
52:11
emails that we send out, because it's just
52:12
too complicated, is that this experiment originated at
52:15
the University of Massachusetts Amherst, where we're trying
52:18
to stop the use of marmosets in ridiculous
52:21
menopause experiments.
52:22
The same experimenter who is doing those came
52:26
up with this plan to wake up tiny,
52:30
gentle marmoset monkeys every 15 minutes, all night
52:34
long.
52:34
And somehow this is supposed to tell us
52:37
something about humans with Alzheimer's or dementia who
52:41
have trouble sleeping.
52:43
I mean, it's insane on the face of
52:44
it.
52:44
And our own university wouldn't even let her
52:46
do it.
52:47
She's got funding from NIH.
52:49
She went to University of Wisconsin and they
52:51
agreed to do it.
52:52
And it hasn't started yet to our knowledge.
52:54
That's why we're working so hard right now.
52:56
We've had the call-ins and the emails,
52:58
and if I have to, I'm going to
52:59
stand outside this experimenter's door banging a pan
53:02
every 15 minutes so she has a sense
53:05
of what it is.
53:06
But it's a ridiculous thing.
53:08
There are brain scans with human beings who
53:10
have trouble sleeping right now that are being
53:13
done.
53:13
It's ridiculous that somebody is suggesting this has
53:16
anything to do with helping human beings.
53:18
Well, it's all follow the money.
53:21
It's easy to get research grants when you
53:26
say, okay, I'm going to take this many
53:28
monkeys and do this terrible thing to them.
53:30
But that's not moving science ahead.
53:33
That is just barbaric.
53:35
It belongs in a mediaeval torture museum.
53:38
We are in the 21st century, and it
53:41
makes my blood boil that a single tax
53:44
dollar that I contribute would go to any
53:46
of this.
53:47
And I just am so grateful to PETA
53:50
for never, never giving up.
53:53
Relentless, strategic, all hands on deck, PETA makes
53:59
it happen.
54:00
And that's why I, anytime, no matter what
54:04
I'm doing, when I get an email from
54:06
PETA, I stop everything and I take action
54:09
on that email.
54:10
Why?
54:10
Because I know it's going to be fast.
54:12
It's going to be an action point that
54:14
is strategic and smart, and it's going to
54:16
have an impact.
54:17
I urge everybody sign up for the PETA
54:19
alerts.
54:20
Go to this website to help these monkeys,
54:25
30,000 monkeys that could be put into
54:28
prison in this little community.
54:32
And it's very, very easy.
54:34
Go to PETA.org forward slash Bainbridge, PETA
54:38
.org forward slash Bainbridge, follow the prompts, let
54:42
them know that this is shameful and that
54:46
nobody wants it.
54:48
And I really, really want to say once
54:52
again, PETA, wow, I have been following you
54:55
for my entire career and always, always, always
55:03
on the mark making positive change.
55:06
Thank you, Kathy Guillermo.
55:08
Thank you, Jane.
55:09
And thank you for your activism.
55:11
I mean, you've made a world of difference
55:12
to animals and we're so grateful and such
55:14
big fans of yours.