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ITB Postgame Show: Where Do Eagles Go From Here After Fourth Straight Loss? · Inside the Birds: A Philadelphia Eagles Podcast

• 0:09
  Speaker 1: Hello, everybody.
• 0:10
  Speaker 2: Welcome to the Inside the Birds post-game show. I'm Jeff Mosher.
• 0:15
  Speaker 2: That's Adam Kaplan. I'm here at Lincoln Financial Field after
• 0:18
  Speaker 2: the Eagles have lost a fourth straight game. They lost
• 0:22
  Speaker 2: to the Carolina Panthers 25-14 in Week 6. Adam, this
• 0:27
  Speaker 2: is their longest losing streak since the 2020 season. And
• 0:32
  Speaker 2: we all remember how the 2020 season went and ended.
• 0:36
  Speaker 2: It was not good, and the after part of that
• 0:38
  Speaker 2: was a lot of changes. There's a lot to talk
• 0:42
  Speaker 2: about here. Some things to get into. I have some
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  Speaker 2: questions about some of the things that the Eagles did,
• 0:47
  Speaker 2: but I also, as I look at it and I
• 0:49
  Speaker 2: say to myself, even if I got good answers to
• 0:52
  Speaker 2: the questions that I have, I'm not sure any one
• 0:54
  Speaker 2: of those things makes a difference. Right now, the Eagles
• 0:56
  Speaker 2: are in a bad state, but the one thing that
• 0:59
  Speaker 2: I keep falling back on is that you feel for
• 1:02
  Speaker 2: a defense that keeps.
• 1:03
  Speaker 1: Them in games, that keeps them in games.
• 1:05
  Speaker 2: And just, I mean, they cannot be asked to play
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  Speaker 2: 70 some odd snaps and hold it together all the time,
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  Speaker 2: especially against a team averaging 30 points a game. If
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  Speaker 2: they could just get a little bit more out of
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  Speaker 2: their offense, Adam, they might actually be able to steal
• 1:18
  Speaker 2: victories here.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: And the, the, the Panthers let him back in the
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  Speaker 4: game where they really shouldn't have, but this is another
• 1:24
  Speaker 4: game they never led. Yep.
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  Speaker 3: So many negative plays. It's just embarrassing.
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  Speaker 4: You know, I got to give a zero of arrow, the,
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  Speaker 4: the defense coordinator credit of the Panthers. He saw what
• 1:37
  Speaker 4: the Jaguars did. Jaguars stupidly didn't blitz the Eagles really
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  Speaker 4: a lot until the second half.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 4: And then the dam broke. And then what does he
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  Speaker 4: do on the first play? He caught, they bring it.
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  Speaker 4: They hit Tanner McKee repeatedly. In fact, he was officially
• 1:50
  Speaker 4: hit 11 times. I'd love to know what the actual
• 1:53
  Speaker 4: pressure rate was.
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  Speaker 1: Okay.
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  Speaker 4: It was embarrassing. This is the first time all season. Well,
• 2:00
  Speaker 4: I shouldn't say that. The Bear game, they look unprepared.
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  Speaker 3: But there are some other things going on.
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  Speaker 4: But, yes, they look like they weren't ready to play.
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  Speaker 4: After being really looking like they were ready to play,
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  Speaker 4: despite all the issues going in the Jacksonville game. You know,
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  Speaker 4: they blew that game, blew the Rams game. But, I mean,
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  Speaker 4: Sean Manning looks way behind, let's be honest. I thought
• 2:20
  Speaker 4: you had a good text to me. You and I
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  Speaker 4: were texting during the game some of our thoughts before
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  Speaker 4: the game, based on what we think it might look like.
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  Speaker 4: And you were talking about the quick game. I didn't
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  Speaker 4: understand why they didn't do that. You have a guy
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  Speaker 4: who had two days with the ones, a quarterback, plus
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  Speaker 4: a walkthrough. Get the ball out of his hands quickly.
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  Speaker 4: Particularly because you've got three offensive line changes. You've only
• 2:42
  Speaker 4: got two starters left. I just didn't like it. So
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  Speaker 4: as the late, great Stan Hockman once said of the
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  Speaker 4: Philadelphia Daily News, what a disaster.
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  Speaker 1: It really was. It was.
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  Speaker 2: And that was one of my bigger question marks. And
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  Speaker 2: like I said, I don't know if.
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  Speaker 2: If they do something differently here that they win this game,
• 3:02
  Speaker 2: they are really facing an uphill battle. And to add
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  Speaker 2: some context, I think it's important before I even start
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  Speaker 2: questioning things.
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  Speaker 1: Right. They did not.
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  Speaker 2: Some of the optimism that they had about the offensive
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  Speaker 2: line just didn't come to fruition. Obviously, Landon Dickerson did
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  Speaker 2: not get taken off IR.
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  Speaker 1: For this game.
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  Speaker 2: And then Drew, I watched them work out Drew Kendall
• 3:22
  Speaker 2: on the field prior to the game. And you can
• 3:24
  Speaker 2: tell he didn't look, I mean, the whole medical staff
• 3:27
  Speaker 2: were there. I believe Howie was there. They were working
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  Speaker 2: him out. It's not that I could tell when you're
• 3:32
  Speaker 2: just taking snaps, right? That's what they were doing, taking
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  Speaker 2: snaps in the end zone. It's not like I could
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  Speaker 2: tell how he feels there. But when he was done,
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  Speaker 2: he looked to me like he was hobbling back to
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  Speaker 2: the locker room. So that gave me a clue that
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  Speaker 2: he probably wasn't going to play and it was going
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  Speaker 2: to be Majors and Lampkin again. So that context is important.
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  Speaker 2: They are facing an uphill challenge every week. with that
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  Speaker 2: interior offensive line and no flashy running backs. And then,
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  Speaker 2: of course, Carson Steele gets hurt.
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  Speaker 3: They actually had one, but they refused to play him.
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  Speaker 2: Well, that's going to be my second question. Let's just
• 4:01
  Speaker 2: get to the first thing because you and I are
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  Speaker 2: in agreement on this.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I thought this would be the game where maybe going
• 4:07
  Speaker 2: under center, even though that's your offensive staple, is not
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  Speaker 2: a great idea, which we talked about in the pregame show,
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  Speaker 2: because you want quick game, you want McKee to see
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  Speaker 2: the defense, and you want to be able to throw
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  Speaker 2: it immediately. Under center passing is just by nature a
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  Speaker 2: slower developing play. You have to fake the handoff, you
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  Speaker 2: have to turn around, and then you have to survey
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  Speaker 2: the defense. The first play of the game, for them,
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  Speaker 2: they go under center, and he takes an 11-yard sack.
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  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 1: And I don't have this. I definitely I didn't chart all.
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  Speaker 2: Of it, but I can guarantee you and I can't
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  Speaker 2: wait to redo inside the data this week and really
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  Speaker 2: get into the numbers. I guarantee you their EPA for
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  Speaker 2: under center had to be atrocious. And I'm I kind
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  Speaker 2: of wonder why they even continued with it as the
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  Speaker 2: game went on.
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  Speaker 3: Yes. All right. Let's let's kind of unpack. And just
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  Speaker 3: talking to coaches over the years when you're shorthanded, you
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  Speaker 3: try to take advantage of what you do have. So
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  Speaker 3: this is nothing that annoys me. So.
• 5:01
  Speaker 4: You have Elijah Moore, we've joked, as the designated motion player.
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  Speaker 4: Why is Hollywood Brown even on the team if you're
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  Speaker 4: not going to use him, okay? He was a healthy
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  Speaker 4: and active. I say this, he did not have a
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  Speaker 4: game status designation. That means not questionable, not doubtful, out, okay?
• 5:15
  Speaker 4: Doesn't mean his injury went away. He still has the injury,
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  Speaker 4: but he practiced. He took the normal amount of reps
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  Speaker 4: he would take. He was healthy enough to play. They
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  Speaker 4: didn't play him. So there goes your downfield threat, okay?
• 5:24
  Speaker 4: Jaden Blue is in the NFL because of one reason.
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  Speaker 4: He's explosive, okay?
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  Speaker 1: Right, right.
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  Speaker 4: He had to be active because he only had three
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  Speaker 4: running backs for the game. Carson Steele, unfortunately, hurt his shoulder.
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  Speaker 3: It looked bad. He couldn't come back. You're down the
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  Speaker 3: entire game.
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  Speaker 4: I understand you don't want to ask him to be
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  Speaker 4: in pass protection.
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  Speaker 3: You probably don't want to do that. That's fine. But
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  Speaker 3: on first down, when the game was relatively close, you're
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  Speaker 3: not getting blown out before they got blown out at
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  Speaker 3: the end.
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  Speaker 4: You can't put him in as a changeup. That's bad coaching.
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  Speaker 4: You as coaches have that power to try something different.
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  Speaker 4: That's the problem I have. I see it way different
• 6:00
  Speaker 4: than probably the fans do with this. I look at
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  Speaker 4: it from a coach's view. This is what I'm given.
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  Speaker 4: I don't control the guys who are not playing. I
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  Speaker 4: have nothing to do with that. I don't control injuries.
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  Speaker 4: But how about I take advantage of what the general manager.
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  Speaker 3: Has given me?
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  Speaker 4: $ 5 million, you don't think enough of this guy.
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  Speaker 3: You're not going to play him? Really? Why is he here?
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  Speaker 2: Continuing the usage question that we have, because I agree
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  Speaker 2: with you. I thought It looks to me, and I
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  Speaker 2: think it was pretty early you could tell, they were
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  Speaker 2: not going to try to run the ball.
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  Speaker 1: Good idea. You don't have a good offensive line. You
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  Speaker 1: don't have an explosive running back.
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  Speaker 2: So their idea was to try to throw it into
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  Speaker 2: the flats with Damian Pierce. Okay, why don't you try
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  Speaker 2: to throw it in the flats of someone who has
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  Speaker 2: explosion like a Jadon Blue? And the answer from the
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  Speaker 2: coaches is he's never played for us. He's only been
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  Speaker 2: in our system for a little bit. He was only
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  Speaker 2: there for insurance reasons. I would have said, well, what
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  Speaker 2: do you have to lose? That's what I said. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: like you were saying, what do you have to lose?
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  Speaker 2: He's a functional player. He knows how to go line
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  Speaker 2: up and catch a pass that might be open in
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  Speaker 2: the flat.
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  Speaker 4: Well, that's a lot to ask, but I'm just saying
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  Speaker 4: as a running back, if he screws up, if it's
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  Speaker 4: a toss right and it goes left, pull.
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  Speaker 3: Him out of the game. Okay, he screwed it up.
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  Speaker 3: He doesn't go back in. I get that. I totally
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  Speaker 3: get that from a coaching standpoint, but you just nailed it.
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  Speaker 4: Just in terms of explosion, your two most explosive players
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  Speaker 4: Two of the most explosive are Hollywood Brown, who's here
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  Speaker 4: because he could run. At least we thought he could.
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  Speaker 4: You have to wonder now, why aren't they playing him?
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  Speaker 4: He was healthy enough to play. And Jaden Blue, who
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  Speaker 4: was drafted where he was. He had off-the-field stuff, which
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  Speaker 4: we've talked about, and the Cowboys were done with him.
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  Speaker 4: But the Eagles brought him in.
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  Speaker 3: He's explosive. Let him play, man.
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  Speaker 4: Because you're grasping for stuff now. You're looking for something.
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  Speaker 4: And look, Smitty played. Wicks got hurt. It looked bad,
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  Speaker 4: and it came back in. We'll see if he's even
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  Speaker 4: able to play. next Monday night against the Cowboys, but
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  Speaker 4: lemon play, like they had terms of their pets past
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  Speaker 4: target group.
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  Speaker 3: They're there. Okay. And you saw some swing passes.
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  Speaker 4: You saw the willingness of, of Tanner McKee to be
• 8:09
  Speaker 4: able to dump the ball off.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 3: At least that's something. But as you said, Damian Pierce,
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  Speaker 3: he's not explosive at all. He's a straight ahead runner. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Less than three yards to carry. Like, what are we
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  Speaker 3: doing here? Can you try to help yourself out as a, like,
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  Speaker 3: this is just not good coaching. I'm sorry. I know
• 8:23
  Speaker 3: it might be minor. Some people, But I just have
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  Speaker 3: learned from Covenant's business 27 years, you can't make excuses
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  Speaker 3: for the things you don't have. Take advantage of what
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  Speaker 3: you have. And they're not doing that.
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  Speaker 4: Look, it's one thing if they didn't deserve to be
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  Speaker 4: in the National Football League, okay? Hollywood Browns have been
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  Speaker 4: in the league a long time. The guy's a former
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  Speaker 4: first-round pick. And Blue is a guy who's explosive.
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  Speaker 3: Just try something. Let's move on. You nailed it when
• 8:45
  Speaker 3: you said, what do you have to lose? Nothing. They
• 8:47
  Speaker 3: have nothing to lose. They're not going anywhere. Come on, man.
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  Speaker 2: And I know that because you needed Jadon Blue at
• 8:54
  Speaker 2: least on the active roster for insurance, which wound up
• 8:59
  Speaker 2: being the case because Carson Steele did get hurt and
• 9:01
  Speaker 2: they still didn't get him in. I understand that made
• 9:03
  Speaker 2: your 53-man roster tricky because to have a player you
• 9:07
  Speaker 2: don't really want to play. And so you weren't able
• 9:09
  Speaker 2: to sign Zach Ertz. But I have to feel like
• 9:11
  Speaker 2: Howie could have figured out a way to get Zach
• 9:14
  Speaker 2: Ertz on the 53 at the expense of someone else
• 9:17
  Speaker 2: on the bottom of the roster. And I think a
• 9:19
  Speaker 2: guy like Ertz, again, if you were planning on doing
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  Speaker 2: quick game and you needed some reliable guys that could
• 9:24
  Speaker 2: help you, you saw Goddard had a nice game. Ertz
• 9:26
  Speaker 2: can do a lot of those things. You get them
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  Speaker 2: both on the field at times. You might be able
• 9:30
  Speaker 2: to hit them in the middle. There was nothing over
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  Speaker 2: the middle of the field except for– Goddard, and I
• 9:35
  Speaker 2: can't even say Goddard because a lot of his catches
• 9:37
  Speaker 2: were on out routes as well. So, again, we could
• 9:41
  Speaker 2: argue about all this, and I think it's a bad job,
• 9:44
  Speaker 2: but I don't know that if the reverse situation happens
• 9:47
  Speaker 2: that they win that game.
• 9:48
  Speaker 1: But you want to at least give yourself a better chance.
• 9:50
  Speaker 3: That's it. It's not about arguing. It's about this is
• 9:52
  Speaker 3: what you have at your disposal. Use them, okay?
• 9:55
  Speaker 4: Yes, Blue had to be on the game day roster
• 9:58
  Speaker 4: because they had three running backs. you can't go into
• 10:00
  Speaker 4: a game as i said on pregame show with two
• 10:02
  Speaker 4: you can't do that then steel gets hurt early on
• 10:05
  Speaker 4: a pass and that's somewhere he could he could have
• 10:08
  Speaker 4: helped them but they're they're in a tough way man
• 10:10
  Speaker 4: this is this is this is a tough deal and
• 10:14
  Speaker 4: you know the defense did the best it could they
• 10:16
  Speaker 4: got another injury no one smith suffered the concussion Yeah.
• 10:20
  Speaker 3: He left the first half.
• 10:22
  Speaker 2: Jordan Davis was also limping in the locker room after
• 10:25
  Speaker 2: the game. Yep.
• 10:26
  Speaker 3: Not good. And Keyshawn James Newby, some would argue probably
• 10:28
  Speaker 3: not an NFL player. He's only on the roster because
• 10:33
  Speaker 3: they ran out of players. They needed more edges.
• 10:34
  Speaker 4: So we'll see what the tape looks like. I'm interested
• 10:37
  Speaker 4: to see if Campbell will line up as an edge rusher.
• 10:39
  Speaker 4: A lot of the times when he's lined up on
• 10:41
  Speaker 4: the edge, it's more of an add-in defender against the run.
• 10:44
  Speaker 4: But I want to see if he's a true edge
• 10:46
  Speaker 4: rusher or not. I'm curious because they have to do it.
• 10:48
  Speaker 4: They're running out of players. What are they going to
• 10:50
  Speaker 4: do now?
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  Speaker 2: say the elder state him in, I'm sorry, Dallas Goddard
• 13:11
  Speaker 2: are the elder statement statesman. Obviously Jake Elliott is the
• 13:15
  Speaker 2: elder statement, but he's a kicker. So those guys have
• 13:18
  Speaker 2: been on team longest. And, you know, I did talk
• 13:20
  Speaker 2: to Jordan just about, Hey, what do you remember from
• 13:23
  Speaker 2: 2020 when you were a young player and you had
• 13:25
  Speaker 2: those guys being leaders? And he said, body language, important,
• 13:29
  Speaker 2: setting the tone, important, not letting people getting sucked into
• 13:32
  Speaker 2: the malaise.
• 13:33
  Speaker 1: Important.
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  Speaker 2: But, you know, you can also tell from a lot
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  Speaker 2: of Jordan's answers, like he was basically saying, it stinks now.
• 13:40
  Speaker 2: This is a great opportunity for guys like Markel Bell,
• 13:43
  Speaker 2: guys like Lampkin, guys like, who's the center?
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  Speaker 1: Majors, right? Yeah, they'll get better.
• 13:52
  Speaker 2: And I said, but how do you reconcile the advantages
• 13:54
  Speaker 2: of getting better over the, you need to win before,
• 13:57
  Speaker 2: you know, you need to start winning games. And he said,
• 13:59
  Speaker 2: that is the challenge. And that's when you know guys
• 14:02
  Speaker 2: understand that They're out of answers. The answers are health,
• 14:05
  Speaker 2: but they're not all health, but it's a big part
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  Speaker 2: of it. And we just don't know when this team
• 14:08
  Speaker 2: will ever be right from a health standpoint.
• 14:11
  Speaker 4: All right, let's go back to offense, then we'll hit
• 14:13
  Speaker 4: the defense and get out of here.
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  Speaker 3: So McKee, he's a long release.
• 14:19
  Speaker 4: His stride, it's not an overstride like Wentz, but he's
• 14:22
  Speaker 4: got a long, like his legs are, it takes him
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  Speaker 4: a long time to get the football out.
• 14:28
  Speaker 3: He gets hit, it gets deflected. Yes, there were some bad,
• 14:30
  Speaker 3: real bad pass pro in this game. Some confusion. Yep.
• 14:35
  Speaker 3: In fact, McKee, I listened to McKee's press conference.
• 14:38
  Speaker 4: He was, I'll say this, I know they lost. He
• 14:40
  Speaker 4: was sort of upbeat, like he knows what they have
• 14:41
  Speaker 4: to do to clean this up. I thought he was
• 14:45
  Speaker 4: very uneven, I'm putting it kindly. He had a couple
• 14:48
  Speaker 4: great throws to Smitty, great throws. But overall, he missed
• 14:50
  Speaker 4: some throws where the ball wouldn't come out right. It
• 14:54
  Speaker 4: just was not coming out right. I just, like, is
• 14:57
  Speaker 4: he not stepping into it? It's hard to see off TV,
• 14:59
  Speaker 4: but just uneven.
• 15:01
  Speaker 3: Mm-hmm.
• 15:02
  Speaker 4: They've got to get some explosion at running back. Damian
• 15:04
  Speaker 4: Pierce is basically a third-string running back at this point.
• 15:08
  Speaker 4: They need some juice. The coaches have to have a
• 15:10
  Speaker 4: talk with Howie. Either they're going to use Jaden Blue.
• 15:13
  Speaker 4: It's pronounced Jaden, by the way.
• 15:14
  Speaker 3: I looked it up. I thought it was Jadon, but
• 15:16
  Speaker 3: it's Jaden Blue.
• 15:17
  Speaker 1: Oh, okay, Jaden.
• 15:18
  Speaker 4: He's on the roster. Use him. Again, this is our buzzword.
• 15:22
  Speaker 4: What do you have to lose at this point? By
• 15:24
  Speaker 4: the way, the Giants found a way to lose to
• 15:26
  Speaker 4: the Saints. So this division, guess what it's becoming again?
• 15:30
  Speaker 4: The NFC least.
• 15:31
  Speaker 1: The NFC least.
• 15:32
  Speaker 3: I know.
• 15:32
  Speaker 1: It's back.
• 15:33
  Speaker 3: I know.
• 15:34
  Speaker 1: It is.
• 15:34
  Speaker 3: Total garbage.
• 15:35
  Speaker 1: And then, you know, commanders. I can't even imagine how
• 15:37
  Speaker 1: bad it's going to be for them Monday night.
• 15:39
  Speaker 3: Sure. But you never know about this business, right? When
• 15:41
  Speaker 3: you least expect it. It's true. Offensively, the good thing is,
• 15:45
  Speaker 3: I mean, Smitty played. Wicks played. Got hurt. Cooper, you
• 15:50
  Speaker 3: knew because Smitty's back. He's not going to be a factor.
• 15:52
  Speaker 3: There's no way. It's like we said before the season started.
• 15:54
  Speaker 3: If everyone's playing, he's not getting the ball. He just
• 15:56
  Speaker 3: didn't get the ball.
• 15:57
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 15:57
  Speaker 4: That's a tough deal. the lack of passes inside the
• 16:03
  Speaker 4: numbers was concerning to me.
• 16:05
  Speaker 3: I don't get it. I saw a little bit, but
• 16:08
  Speaker 3: not nearly enough. Again, there are things that these coaches
• 16:11
  Speaker 3: could do. Okay. You can't blame it all on injuries.
• 16:14
  Speaker 3: I agree. Coaches don't do that.
• 16:16
  Speaker 1: I agree.
• 16:17
  Speaker 2: I think the biggest issue facing the Eagles, even when
• 16:20
  Speaker 2: they get healthier, let's say, say quiet comes back.
• 16:22
  Speaker 1: Let's say Hertz gets back. Who knows?
• 16:24
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 16:24
  Speaker 1: He's on IR.
• 16:26
  Speaker 2: The biggest issue right now they're going to face is
• 16:28
  Speaker 2: every defensive coordinator is is Brian Flores against them because
• 16:33
  Speaker 2: of their offensive line, specifically the interior offensive line. Every
• 16:36
  Speaker 2: defensive coordinator is just putting six, seven guys, double mugging,
• 16:40
  Speaker 2: zero blitzes. I mean, how many zero blitzes did the
• 16:43
  Speaker 2: Panthers bring?
• 16:44
  Speaker 1: Holy cow.
• 16:45
  Speaker 4: You know what's crazy? You know where the coordinator, Evero,
• 16:49
  Speaker 4: is from? He coached under Fangio. That's why he's running Fangio.
• 16:53
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 16:53
  Speaker 2: Well, he put a little salt and pepper in.
• 16:58
  Speaker 3: Cause he knew exactly what he was getting. That's called
• 17:00
  Speaker 3: good coaching. Sure. That's good coaching. And that's the Eagles
• 17:03
  Speaker 3: had no answer.
• 17:04
  Speaker 4: You've got Chris Cooper, the offensive line coach who he's still,
• 17:09
  Speaker 4: he's got to show me something. I know he's, I
• 17:11
  Speaker 4: know he's up against it with, he's playing three backups,
• 17:15
  Speaker 4: but we, you gotta be better here.
• 17:17
  Speaker 3: It was just, it was tough, man. It was tough.
• 17:20
  Speaker 3: I mean, it, You would have.
• 17:21
  Speaker 4: Thought the Panthers had 15 sacks in this game. They
• 17:26
  Speaker 4: had 11 quarterback hits. They had a bunch of guys
• 17:29
  Speaker 4: who got at least two. Devin Lloyd blitzed. Mayerig, the safety,
• 17:34
  Speaker 4: also plays nickel. Jalen Phillips got hurt in the game.
• 17:37
  Speaker 3: He left for a bit, came back, I thought. Lee Hunter,
• 17:40
  Speaker 3: the rookie.
• 17:42
  Speaker 4: Travis Gibson got in there for a hit. It's getting really,
• 17:48
  Speaker 4: really hard. And it's not like... It's not like anyone
• 17:52
  Speaker 4: else is coming back here on the offensive line. It's
• 17:53
  Speaker 4: just maybe Dickerson at some point. But with him, you
• 17:57
  Speaker 4: have no idea what to expect from him.
• 17:59
  Speaker 3: No idea.
• 17:59
  Speaker 2: Right. And that's my point is that for the rest
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: of the season, everybody's going to be Brian Flores against
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: the Eagles.
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: They are just going to bring the house. Absolutely. I
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: totally agree. I totally agree. So that is the problem.
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: And I will say this.
• 18:13
  Speaker 2: The reality and the truth that the Eagles need to
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: be better coached on offense is also– couched by the
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: fact that the Eagles chose to have a novice offensive
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: coordinator who has not called plays before. So you're asking
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: not only your players now who are young and inexperienced
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: to play above their means, but to get coached and
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: have their plays drawn up by a coordinator who's not
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: used to this and just getting his feet wet in
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: his own right.
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: And that just makes it like quicksand. So defensively, this
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: was like the.
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: The crux of my Philly voice story is that you
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: cannot ask a defense to be– the defense played really well.
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: You can talk about a big play here or there,
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: but into the fourth quarter, a team averaging 30 points
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: only had, what, 14, right, until they scored that last touchdown.
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: It did its job, but eventually it's going to break.
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: So I have zero critiques other than a few missed tackles.
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: They did a great job against the run game. For
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: a while.
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: Well, that's my point. I wrote this down.
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: Entering the fourth quarter, Hubbard was averaging 2.9 yards per carry.
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: Entering the fourth quarter.
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: Now, he finished with over 100 yards and averaged 4.3,
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: which is about his– that's the kind of running back
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: he is. He's a 4.3 on a good day. He's
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: not a great flashy running back.
• 19:29
  Speaker 3: They did a good job. He keeps his feet churning, though.
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they did a good job. But I don't know
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: how much more you could ask of them. And even Vic.
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: Vic became Brian Flores for a little bit, right? He
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: was throwing– kitchen sink blitzes at the Panthers, and then
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: they caught on to it at the end.
• 19:45
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's tough. I mean, it's not so much a
• 19:48
  Speaker 3: time of possession. The first half, it was actually one time.
• 19:50
  Speaker 3: of possession. The defense kept giving the ball back, and
• 19:53
  Speaker 3: they kept going out. It's embarrassing. I mean, it's really
• 19:58
  Speaker 3: hard to watch.
• 19:58
  Speaker 4: I don't feel 2020 because this team has way more
• 20:01
  Speaker 4: talent than 2020. I'm not saying this is a very
• 20:03
  Speaker 4: talented team, but they've got way more talent. Now, they
• 20:06
  Speaker 4: have a terrible injury situation, but But defensively, they had
• 20:10
  Speaker 4: enough guys there.
• 20:11
  Speaker 3: Now, a couple of things you should know. Grenard played hurt.
• 20:13
  Speaker 3: He was hobbled.
• 20:15
  Speaker 4: Despite not having a game status designation, he said Friday,
• 20:19
  Speaker 4: he made it pretty clear it's going to be a
• 20:20
  Speaker 4: game day decision whether he plays or not. And he
• 20:23
  Speaker 4: played early, like three or four snaps, and he went
• 20:26
  Speaker 4: in for a while. And when he came back, Andrew
• 20:28
  Speaker 4: and I, three of us, me, you, and Andrew were texting.
• 20:32
  Speaker 4: And I go, there he goes, hopping. And he goes, yep,
• 20:35
  Speaker 4: here comes Keyshawn James Newby. who's looks about 220 pounds.
• 20:39
  Speaker 3: He's listed as 240, but he he's like, he's a,
• 20:43
  Speaker 3: he's a guy who's got some speed, but he's too
• 20:45
  Speaker 3: small to play in the NFL right now.
• 20:46
  Speaker 4: So they've got problems. They really have some problems on defense,
• 20:50
  Speaker 4: but like you said, they kept in it. Coker got
• 20:53
  Speaker 4: them a little bit, but I think what we're seeing
• 20:56
  Speaker 4: now in the last three games, the defense plays really
• 20:59
  Speaker 4: well for two, two and a half quarters, but at
• 21:01
  Speaker 4: some point the dam breaks, you can't keep asking that.
• 21:04
  Speaker 3: That's, that's what you're saying. And I agree. is you
• 21:06
  Speaker 3: can't keep asking a defense to do this. It's not
• 21:08
  Speaker 3: humanly possible.
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: Correct.
• 21:10
  Speaker 3: This is not, I mean, it's just, you can't keep
• 21:12
  Speaker 3: asking them to hold up.
• 21:13
  Speaker 4: And then, then the question is defensively, who are they
• 21:17
  Speaker 4: going to have as edge rusher group? Because so Nolan
• 21:20
  Speaker 4: Smith concussion, Grenard will get some time off, but he's
• 21:23
  Speaker 4: got this ankle.
• 21:24
  Speaker 3: He re-injured it clearly. He was hobbled. And who, it's like,
• 21:29
  Speaker 3: who are they going to have? Who are they going
• 21:30
  Speaker 3: to have?
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: It's a great, it's a great question.
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: I'm really, I don't understand the Grenard situation, Adam, because,
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: like you said, he did not carry a game designation.
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: He was full practice, right?
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: So the only thing that I thought that would limit
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: him would be conditioning, but clearly that's not, I mean,
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: he played so few snaps.
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: That it couldn't just have been a conditioning issue.
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: And like you said, he even seemed, I guess the bias,
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: his own words, like, you know, I'll give it the
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: best I can, but if you're full practicing a full,
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: and you're you're not on the injury report with a
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: game designation i'm of the assumption that you're feeling great
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: and fine and conditioning would only be the obstacle but
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: that doesn't seem to be the case.
• 22:11
  Speaker 4: And it's funny because vic did say when he was
• 22:14
  Speaker 4: asked about granard coming off of uh of the reserve
• 22:18
  Speaker 4: list that or excuse me he wasn't they they didn't
• 22:21
  Speaker 4: put it was about how much he could play once
• 22:23
  Speaker 4: he's clear to play and he said oh he's not
• 22:26
  Speaker 4: gonna he he he's going to be restriction. You know,
• 22:29
  Speaker 4: he doesn't like the ramp up here at Vic, but
• 22:30
  Speaker 4: he knew because Grenard hadn't practiced since last season. He's
• 22:33
  Speaker 4: going to need time, but they're, they're in a, they're
• 22:36
  Speaker 4: in a, almost a crisis right now with their edge
• 22:38
  Speaker 4: group because they just don't have enough players.
• 22:41
  Speaker 3: What I like, I mentioned Campbell. I mean, cause I
• 22:44
  Speaker 3: know they play Carter on the edge. I'm wondering if
• 22:46
  Speaker 3: a Jomo did it.
• 22:47
  Speaker 4: I'd like to ask Greg that. And I know you'll
• 22:50
  Speaker 4: be able to see the tape tomorrow. I'm wondering about that,
• 22:52
  Speaker 4: but it's like at this point, you're looking for guys
• 22:54
  Speaker 4: who are healthy and, But, you know, Bond could do it.
• 22:57
  Speaker 3: He's done some of it. Obviously did it in college.
• 22:59
  Speaker 3: Hunt's out.
• 23:00
  Speaker 4: We know Hunt's out. Smith's out with a concussion. Their
• 23:04
  Speaker 4: practice squad. Oh, Mason Riger. He had a big injury
• 23:08
  Speaker 4: history in college. I don't even know if he can
• 23:09
  Speaker 4: play in the NFL. Dolphins cut him. He's out of Wisconsin.
• 23:12
  Speaker 4: He's got great size. Dolphins cut him injured with an
• 23:17
  Speaker 4: injury settlement. He had pretty significant injury concerns coming out
• 23:19
  Speaker 4: of Wisconsin.
• 23:20
  Speaker 3: So, I mean, who knows? They're so desperate at this point.
• 23:24
  Speaker 3: You take anybody. Yeah, you just.
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: Hit it on the head. You might say Mason Rieger,
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: But if you're on the 53 of the practice squad
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: at this point and you play edge, you have to
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: be under consideration to get on the field.
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah, there's no doubt about it. It's crazy.
• 23:39
  Speaker 3: This dude's big, by the way. Real quick, Rieger's got
• 23:42
  Speaker 3: really good size. 6'4, 250 plus, but he wasn't drafted
• 23:47
  Speaker 3: for a reason because it's injury concerns. So they're in
• 23:49
  Speaker 3: a crisis with the edge group. We'll see about Davis.
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  Speaker 4: You know, Coop's not having the injury, the season, Cooper
• 26:26
  Speaker 4: Jean's not having the great season that we were expecting.
• 26:27
  Speaker 4: He had a terrible penalty. See, that one we could not,
• 26:32
  Speaker 4: through video, I could not tell if the guy made
• 26:35
  Speaker 4: contact with him. He's just trying to get the guy
• 26:36
  Speaker 4: off of him or did he just flip? They called
• 26:38
  Speaker 4: a personal foul, but.
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he talked about it in the locker room. You
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: can tell he was not in agreement with the referee.
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: He basically said the guy was on his back as
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: he was trying to get up. He's like, how can
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: I body slam a guy? He said he was told
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: he body slammed the guy. And his response was, how
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: can I body slam someone who's on my back with
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: my fit hand? But to your point, to the overall point,
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: and I asked a couple of guys this in the
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: locker room, it's really important.
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: It's very imperative.
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: Moving forward, the guys started, Maialata, Cooper, Dajin, everybody, Jalen Carter.
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: They've got to set a bet. They've have to, like
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: practice has to be spirited. They have to act like
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: Andy Reid used to after the worst of the worst loss,
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: which is bounce back the next day and act like
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: it never happened because there's too many young players. There's
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: too many inexperienced players. And unfortunately, those are the kind
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: of players, it's just human nature, something I've observed 20
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: years of doing this.
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: They get sucked into the malaise quicker. It's easier to
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: just think like, Woe is us. We've got the injury.
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: The veterans and the starters absolutely need to set a
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: great tone. They can't let their emotions get the best
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: of them. Even Coop said that. Jordan Maialata talked about
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: how important that was going to be in the week
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: leading up. That can only get you so far. But
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: the point is the Eagles are at least competing. I mean,
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: they had a chance there in the third quarter. Honestly,
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: they got the ball back, right? And first play. What
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: was the first play? A bad snap. And that just
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: killed it. That, to me, is the turning point of
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: the game. Because they had a shot.
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: It was slim. They had a shot. And then that
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: just totally, you knew they were behind the sticks and
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: they were going to have to punch.
• 28:17
  Speaker 3: It's a funny story.
• 28:18
  Speaker 4: Before that series, I texted Andrew and you.
• 28:22
  Speaker 3: That's all, folks. That's it. They're done. Down two scores.
• 28:24
  Speaker 3: It's over. There's no way they're coming back, whether they
• 28:26
  Speaker 3: play offense.
• 28:27
  Speaker 4: And all of a sudden. They get the ball back
• 28:29
  Speaker 4: down less than seven. I'm like, okay, what do they
• 28:31
  Speaker 4: actually have a chance?
• 28:32
  Speaker 3: This is insane. Like they shouldn't, but the defense hung
• 28:35
  Speaker 3: in there. And then the bad snap by Jake majors.
• 28:38
  Speaker 3: Oh boy.
• 28:39
  Speaker 4: It's they, they just can't get out of their own
• 28:41
  Speaker 4: way with this injury thing. I know people want the
• 28:43
  Speaker 4: smoke and gun with injuries. Oh, what's the problem? I
• 28:47
  Speaker 4: can't think of these guys healthy. It's just, it's just
• 28:49
  Speaker 4: the law of averages. If it's so healthy under this regime,
• 28:53
  Speaker 4: since Sirianni got here, they're just both. It's not one
• 28:55
  Speaker 4: side of football either. It's like every, It's almost every
• 28:58
  Speaker 4: position in their offensive line. D-line, linebacker to a Campbell's
• 29:03
  Speaker 4: been hurt.
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: Yep.
• 29:05
  Speaker 3: Edge group, yes. Yep. Cornerback group.
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: Not as much. More safety.
• 29:10
  Speaker 3: Safety, yes. Kenny Moore technically didn't start.
• 29:13
  Speaker 4: Technically, he didn't start because of the formation that came in,
• 29:16
  Speaker 4: but he seemed to play a lot, and he was
• 29:17
  Speaker 4: in early.
• 29:19
  Speaker 3: It's so funny. Vic had no plans to play more
• 29:21
  Speaker 3: in safety this season. Right. What did that all change?
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: You ran out of play.
• 29:25
  Speaker 3: You have to do something.
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 29:27
  Speaker 3: By the way, I know he played, but did you
• 29:29
  Speaker 3: see Marcus Epps?
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: I did not.
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: I think he might have played special teams. I don't
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: remember seeing him much on defense. And I don't think
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: Vic started rotating Trotter in until later in the game.
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: Is that correct? Like it wasn't a rotation at the start,
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: I don't think.
• 29:44
  Speaker 3: I saw Trotter.
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: Maybe it was.
• 29:45
  Speaker 3: Second quarter, but.
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: Second quarter, okay. Yeah.
• 29:48
  Speaker 3: I'm still very curious what the tape shows on Campbell
• 29:52
  Speaker 3: and whether he lined up at edge. He has to
• 29:54
  Speaker 3: line up as a true edge rusher, not just a
• 29:56
  Speaker 3: run defender. They need somebody, anybody. it's to this point
• 30:00
  Speaker 3: where you're not going to ask BG to come out
• 30:03
  Speaker 3: of retirement. It's ridiculous. They need someone who's a little
• 30:07
  Speaker 3: bit younger. Yeah.
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: You ask that when you're like one player away from
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: winning at all, not when you're in total collapse mode.
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: He's going to be like, wait, I'm coming back for that.
• 30:16
  Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly. No, you beg them if it's late in
• 30:20
  Speaker 3: the season, you're trying to get the playoffs. Right. Which
• 30:22
  Speaker 3: at this point is the best you can hope for
• 30:23
  Speaker 3: is to somehow hang in there for the division. Yeah.
• 30:26
  Speaker 4: Giants were horrendous today. So it's this division. I don't
• 30:30
  Speaker 4: know what the hell to make of it. Look at
• 30:33
  Speaker 4: it this way. Could a team with nine wins win it?
• 30:36
  Speaker 3: Eight.
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: I was going to say, could a losing team win
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: it like the Panthers did last year?
• 30:42
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: And then this is for down the road, but it's
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: a good way to end the show.
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: I guess if that's the case, you root for it because, guys,
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: it shows that you persevered a little bit.
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: You won some games down the stretch. You won your division.
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: You get a chance to play in the playoffs, but
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: this was a Super Bowl year. You have guys making
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: a lot of money who might be on their last year,
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: like Saquon Barkley, or you have Jalen at the end
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: of his contract with the guaranteed money. You have Dallas
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: Goddard back. That was not the expectation. I don't know
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: how fans work. Do they just adjust it in the
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: middle of the season and say, screw it? I just
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: want to see development, or does it just become a
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: disappointing year?
• 31:22
  Speaker 4: The one thing I would say with the trade deadline
• 31:24
  Speaker 4: being November 10th, obviously there's a lot of time here.
• 31:26
  Speaker 4: You've got a little bit less than four weeks, but
• 31:30
  Speaker 4: And Howie does not like being a seller. That's not
• 31:32
  Speaker 4: the way he works. But we'll see what their record
• 31:37
  Speaker 4: is as they get closer. I wouldn't rule anything out
• 31:41
  Speaker 4: at this point. You've got to see how it looks.
• 31:43
  Speaker 4: Because if they're like whatever how many games they've played,
• 31:46
  Speaker 4: if they're like 3-8, you're playing.
• 31:48
  Speaker 3: Towards next year, you might as well start to write players.
• 31:50
  Speaker 3: That's just the way it is. Being a 7- or
• 31:56
  Speaker 3: 8-win team, that does not help you. Who cares?
• 32:00
  Speaker 4: But I'm going to be interested to see what happens
• 32:02
  Speaker 4: if they're a bad team. Like, okay, they've lost four
• 32:04
  Speaker 4: in a row, but if it damn really breaks and
• 32:08
  Speaker 4: it's obvious they're not going anywhere, it's not the way
• 32:10
  Speaker 4: they work. You set it up fairly well here in
• 32:12
  Speaker 4: terms of what this thing looked like before the season.
• 32:14
  Speaker 3: I mean, no one could have known that Lane Johnson
• 32:16
  Speaker 3: was still on the roster for cap reasons.
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: It's comical.
• 32:18
  Speaker 3: It is what it is. And, you know, who knew
• 32:20
  Speaker 3: they were going to trade Juergens?
• 32:22
  Speaker 4: But, man, this season has not gone like we thought.
• 32:25
  Speaker 4: I mean, anyone thought that they were going to be
• 32:27
  Speaker 4: this bad.
• 32:27
  Speaker 3: Come on, please. Nope.
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: Was not on my bingo card in 2026, a four
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: game losing streak. And with Dallas on Monday night, the
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: one thing about Dallas is they can score a lot
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: of points.
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: And right now the Eagles cannot. So that will be a.
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: Big topic of conversation this week, leading up with all
• 32:44
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• 32:46
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• 32:49
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• 32:53
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• 32:57
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