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Ep. 300 - Examining the Six Things That God Hates (Proverbs 6:16-19) · The Living Waters Podcast

• 1:04
  Speaker 1: Discord and division God hates.
• 1:06
  Speaker 1: It's a terrible thing to intentionally cause a fraction amongst God's children.
• 1:17
  Speaker 1: You know, we should obviously be against what the world stands for, but within the Church it should not be the case.
• 1:24
  Speaker 1: We see the Apostle Paul in, I think, 2 Corinthians, chapter 11, where he says all of these things that came down upon him, but the least of which he did not expect it was the wars within the church, right, it was the backbiting, it was the gossip, it was the malicious slander that was coming up against him within the church, right?
• 1:47
  Speaker 1: So we need to be very careful when we start talking evil and devising plans and causing discord amongst, especially the believer, because God takes it very personal.
• 1:58
  Speaker 1: These people creating the image of God are worthy of dignity, honor and respect.
• 2:04
  Speaker 1: You don't know what they're going through.
• 2:07
  Speaker 1: You have half the story.
• 2:09
  Speaker 1: Oftentimes.
• 2:10
  Speaker 1: It's been often said that there's three points to the story.
• 2:13
  Speaker 1: You have his version, you have his version, the other version, and then you have the true version of what actually happened.
• 2:20
  Speaker 1: It's best just to be quiet and allow things to pan out.
• 2:23
  Speaker 1: What do we do?
• 2:25
  Speaker 1: We often disguise that in a prayer request.
• 2:27
  Speaker 1: Hey, listen, we need to pray for easy.
• 2:29
  Speaker 1: Because of this Because of what, what, and we share it by way of a prayer request, but in reality it's just gossip and slander.
• 2:37
  Speaker 1: That didn't need to be said.
• 2:44
  Speaker 2: Yes, friends, it is true, my life has changed yet once again.
• 2:51
  Speaker 2: The other day I was at my buddy Bill Daniels' house.
• 2:55
  Speaker 2: Mark, you know Bill Daniels.
• 2:56
  Speaker 3: Ray, you know, bill Daniels, are you going to mention this episode?
• 2:59
  Speaker 3: Which episode?
• 3:01
  Speaker 2: What are you talking about?
• 3:01
  Speaker 2: Is there something about this episode?
• 3:03
  Speaker 2: Yes, it's number 300.
• 3:05
  Speaker 2: Oh, that's why my life has really changed, because I've sat down 300 times with these fellas.
• 3:13
  Speaker 2: It's hard to believe.
• 3:15
  Speaker 2: Huh guys, 300?
• 3:15
  Speaker 2: That is very long.
• 3:17
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's wild too that it's the 300th episode in Daniel's last episode.
• 3:21
  Speaker 2: I know I was going to say that.
• 3:23
  Speaker 2: Thank you, Oscar, for stealing my thunder.
• 3:25
  Speaker 2: Daniel Roman, who has been our faithful cameraman for a long time, will be transitioning over to Tennessee.
• 3:36
  Speaker 3: That word means something else Don't say transitioning, no, he's not going from.
• 3:41
  Speaker 2: Daniel to Danielle.
• 3:42
  Speaker 2: He's just going from California to Tennessee.
• 3:45
  Speaker 2: Daniel has done a great job.
• 3:47
  Speaker 2: As you can tell by the last name, daniel Roman is the son of our beloved Eddie Roman and he'll be going to Tennessee.
• 3:54
  Speaker 2: So, daniel, thank you for all of your hard work.
• 3:56
  Speaker 2: Let's give him a hand, gentlemen.
• 3:58
  Speaker 2: Yes, thank you?
• 4:00
  Speaker 1: You know that echos out to be about 225 hours worth of podcast, or 9.375 days straight through with you guys.
• 4:09
  Speaker 3: Boy, my life has really not just nine days yeah, so we could do 300 episodes in 10 days if we don't sleep 10 days time.
• 4:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah right yeah, boy guys, I do have to say this has been boy guys boy guys.
• 4:24
  Speaker 1: You never heard of boy guys.
• 4:25
  Speaker 2: Boys to guys you've never heard of boy guys no, he's boy.
• 4:27
  Speaker 1: Ge Guys You've never heard of Boy Guys.
• 4:28
  Speaker 1: No, he's Boy.
• 4:29
  Speaker 2: George's brother.
• 4:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but this has been just a thrill, honestly.
• 4:34
  Speaker 2: You remember our first episode.
• 4:36
  Speaker 1: We had no idea what we were doing.
• 4:37
  Speaker 2: We have no idea what we're doing and we still don't.
• 4:39
  Speaker 2: But I just want to say to all of our dear friends out there that have been so faithful for so long you have blessed us, have been so faithful for so long you have blessed us.
• 4:51
  Speaker 2: The knowledge that you've been encouraged keeps encouraging us and keeps us doing this.
• 4:53
  Speaker 2: So thank you so much, and all the letters and encouragement and the gifts that have come our way, truly thank you.
• 5:00
  Speaker 4: It wouldn't be the same without the people who listen, especially the people who faithfully listen.
• 5:04
  Speaker 4: We hear so many people who are like I've listened to every single episode.
• 5:08
  Speaker 4: The podcast wouldn't be what it is without you guys, uh, with your support and especially your encouragement.
• 5:14
  Speaker 4: It feels like a two way street.
• 5:15
  Speaker 4: You know, we hear that we're encouraging others, but we definitely are encouraged by all of our listeners, so thank you.
• 5:24
  Speaker 2: We still haven't learned yeah.
• 5:26
  Speaker 3: Um, no easy.
• 5:27
  Speaker 3: Thanks for carrying this.
• 5:28
  Speaker 3: You do such a great job.
• 5:30
  Speaker 3: You do so much research beforehand and you carry it.
• 5:34
  Speaker 3: You're the host.
• 5:35
  Speaker 3: You have to think deeper than we do.
• 5:36
  Speaker 2: So I appreciate it.
• 5:37
  Speaker 2: Well, it's a joy to anchor.
• 5:40
  Speaker 2: You guys make my job easy.
• 5:41
  Speaker 2: I've talked about it before.
• 5:43
  Speaker 2: It's like being a part of a sports team where you have incompetent teammates but you just press on through it.
• 5:50
  Speaker 3: You're the anchor with the hooks.
• 5:52
  Speaker 2: No, but it is.
• 5:52
  Speaker 2: It is like being a part of a team where you can trust your teammates.
• 5:55
  Speaker 2: You can kick them the ball and I wish everybody could see Mark's eyes with that mustache.
• 6:04
  Speaker 1: No, it is an absolute great time, though, to subscribe, leave a comment yeah, those sort of things.
• 6:11
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• 6:12
  Speaker 1: We don't just do it because we like to see what people say, though Obviously it's very encouraging to us, but when you leave a review, it does something to the algorithms, yeah, it pushes it in front of other people that think that, hey, if you like this, well, then maybe they'll like this.
• 6:29
  Speaker 1: So it gets it out there.
• 6:30
  Speaker 3: Very important.
• 6:31
  Speaker 3: Someone define algorithms for me.
• 6:35
  Speaker 2: Al-gorithm.
• 6:36
  Speaker 3: He was a criminal from the 1930s.
• 6:40
  Speaker 4: Al-gore Itham Dancing.
• 6:41
  Speaker 4: That's where it came from, al-gore-itham.
• 6:44
  Speaker 3: He invented the internet, that's funny.
• 6:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, an algorithm is basically a term that's used to describe the ability of computers to detect trends and make predictions and stuff like that Now we all know, or it's a step-by-step procedure or set of rules used to solve a problem or perform a task.
• 7:07
  Speaker 1: It's like a recipe that defines a series of actions or calculations to achieve a specific result.
• 7:11
  Speaker 1: Thank you, Al.
• 7:12
  Speaker 4: Wow, merci beaucoup Al Gore.
• 7:14
  Speaker 4: It's a former vice president Democrat on a dance floor.
• 7:18
  Speaker 2: Remember we were on a plane with Al Gore once.
• 7:20
  Speaker 2: Remember that.
• 7:21
  Speaker 3: Yes, I took a picture.
• 7:22
  Speaker 2: The guy was looking underneath the sea.
• 7:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I walk in and there's a guy lying across the aisle on the plane they're looking for.
• 7:36
  Speaker 2: You know it's a secret service looking for explosives or whatever and they let you on the end of doing even your arab accent goes indian right, yeah.
• 7:40
  Speaker 2: so anyhow, as I was saying before, I was rudely interrupted, my life was changed again recently.
• 7:47
  Speaker 2: Friends, os, oscar, don't look at my notes Because I went to my friend Bill Daniels' house and a fly came into the house and he pulled out the coolest gadget.
• 7:57
  Speaker 1: I was just talking to you about our love for gadgets.
• 8:01
  Speaker 2: No better than that it electrocutes flies.
• 8:04
  Speaker 2: It looks like a tennis racket.
• 8:07
  Speaker 2: I've seen pictures of that they work, oh gloriously so.
• 8:11
  Speaker 2: And so I go oh, that is so cool.
• 8:13
  Speaker 2: I go, I am getting that.
• 8:14
  Speaker 2: And he goes oh, here, take this, we've got two.
• 8:17
  Speaker 1: Really yeah.
• 8:20
  Speaker 2: And so now I get so excited when a fly comes.
• 8:21
  Speaker 3: I get excited when a fly comes into the house Sunday afternoon at about 2 o'clock in the afternoon is fly time.
• 8:27
  Speaker 2: Oh, is that?
• 8:27
  Speaker 3: That's when I'm going to have to snooze, I'm just drifting.
• 8:33
  Speaker 2: You know, Rachel must have your syndrome.
• 8:34
  Speaker 2: A fly flew into our bathroom last night and she just about lost it, Did she?
• 8:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 8:39
  Speaker 4: Hey, it's going to get me.
• 8:40
  Speaker 4: Hey fly.
• 8:41
  Speaker 4: Did she chase it?
• 8:42
  Speaker 4: We're sorry, rachel.
• 8:43
  Speaker 4: No, I had to use my foot.
• 8:45
  Speaker 2: I didn't have my zapper with me in the bathroom.
• 8:47
  Speaker 1: I like the idea.
• 8:48
  Speaker 3: It landed on the ground.
• 8:49
  Speaker 3: I squashed it.
• 8:50
  Speaker 3: Can you send me a link to that zapper?
• 8:52
  Speaker 3: I want to get it.
• 8:53
  Speaker 4: Oh yeah, I like the idea of PETA getting like a DM, like a message like hey, can you believe they're making this to attack flies and their response is like, actually, we're good with that.
• 9:04
  Speaker 2: We hate.
• 9:05
  Speaker 2: Fine, I think that's hypocrisy on PETA's part.
• 9:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, anyway, it's so funny, peta, it's like it's the bread I eat.
• 9:13
  Speaker 1: With meat in it, yeah with meat.
• 9:14
  Speaker 2: I like PETA.
• 9:15
  Speaker 1: Is that?
• 9:15
  Speaker 2: it.
• 9:16
  Speaker 4: Mark, is that it?
• 9:16
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that's it.
• 9:17
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, that's it, that's it, that's the exact one.
• 9:23
  Speaker 2: You should.
• 9:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so anyway.
• 9:25
  Speaker 2: But man, all this stuff they've come out with with flies over the years, yeah, Satan's called Lord of the Flies.
• 9:31
  Speaker 3: Ooh Beelzebub.
• 9:32
  Speaker 2: So swat him with that thing.
• 9:34
  Speaker 2: Oh, it's a good way to think Spiritualize everything, Ray.
• 9:37
  Speaker 1: Way to go, Ray yeah.
• 9:39
  Speaker 2: Even flies.
• 9:41
  Speaker 3: Even flies.
• 9:41
  Speaker 3: You ever seen a fly clean itself?
• 9:44
  Speaker 2: Oh gross.
• 9:44
  Speaker 3: They're very clean creatures.
• 9:46
  Speaker 3: Why they do their wings they lick this and that, and then you think what a clean little creature the fly is, until you follow him.
• 9:52
  Speaker 3: That's true.
• 9:53
  Speaker 3: And see what his desires are really for.
• 9:55
  Speaker 3: And man looks incredibly clean with his deodorants and his soaps and aftershaves.
• 10:00
  Speaker 3: See, you follow the dirty little creature and you find out what he's really like.
• 10:03
  Speaker 4: Do you know what you call a fly with no wings?
• 10:04
  Speaker 4: Fly with no wings, it's still a fly.
• 10:11
  Speaker 2: It's just ironic, a walk is really the punchline to that, from a fly to a walk.
• 10:14
  Speaker 2: But the things they've come out with for bugs, you guys remember that one where it's like a suction, it suctions the bug.
• 10:25
  Speaker 3: I use it all the time it's called the thing.
• 10:27
  Speaker 2: Oh, the vacuum.
• 10:28
  Speaker 3: Yeah, where you get a bite from a mosquito.
• 10:30
  Speaker 3: Oh, no, no, no, I'm talking about the thing where you don't have to touch the bug.
• 10:33
  Speaker 3: Oh, that's right, it just sucks it up.
• 10:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they got all kinds of things.
• 10:38
  Speaker 2: I want to get one of those.
• 10:39
  Speaker 2: That thing the sticky stuff that catches flies.
• 10:49
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that works.
• 10:49
  Speaker 1: Works are those sticky bits of paper.
• 10:50
  Speaker 1: I used to have a bug octagon and I'd put two different bugs on two different sides.
• 10:51
  Speaker 1: I'd release the center wall and then they would attack each other.
• 10:54
  Speaker 2: I'm waiting for the miniature fly nuclear bomb.
• 10:56
  Speaker 2: That's what I want To kill and destroy.
• 10:58
  Speaker 2: Flies Ray, do you have flies in New Zealand?
• 11:01
  Speaker 2: No, probably isn't a spider Snakes are flies.
• 11:03
  Speaker 3: We do have flies.
• 11:04
  Speaker 3: We've got one in 57.
• 11:05
  Speaker 3: I remember it.
• 11:05
  Speaker 3: Yeah, we've got one in 57.
• 11:06
  Speaker 2: I remember it.
• 11:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, all right, friends Time as usual for a cool, classy comment.
• 11:10
  Speaker 2: This is from Leigh, leigh or Lee.
• 11:13
  Speaker 2: I'm sorry, I want to be honest, I don't know how to pronounce it.
• 11:14
  Speaker 2: L-e-i-g-h.
• 11:15
  Speaker 3: Aren't you always honest?
• 11:16
  Speaker 2: Lee.
• 11:16
  Speaker 2: No, not always Lee Lee.
• 11:20
  Speaker 2: Okay, sorry if I may have written a cool, classy comment.
• 11:26
  Speaker 2: Okay, maybe not really, but I just wanted to say thanks for all you do at Living Waters and especially for the podcast.
• 11:32
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• 11:40
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• 11:41
  Speaker 2: On another note, I have yet to find a podcast you all have done about singleness or addressed to singles.
• 11:48
  Speaker 2: I realize that all of you guys are married, but what biblical wisdom can you share with us singles, especially those of us who sense God calling us to lifelong singleness?
• 11:59
  Speaker 2: You got it, lee or Lai.
• 12:01
  Speaker 2: We're doing one.
• 12:03
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• 12:05
  Speaker 3: I thought we do Four married guys talk.
• 12:07
  Speaker 3: Oh, we will.
• 12:07
  Speaker 3: No, we haven't done one in singleness.
• 12:09
  Speaker 2: Really, I don't think so I searched my notes.
• 12:11
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• 12:14
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• 12:43
  Speaker 1: Restoration roasters is it still?
• 12:45
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• 12:45
  Speaker 2: Um, yes, yeah, anyway, that was fun friends.
• 12:49
  Speaker 2: We answer a lot of apologetics, questions and uh I remember it because of what happened.
• 12:54
  Speaker 3: I had a a one-hour interview about something I'd published and I couldn't get away from the traffic noise because I went around the corner and I had to do it in a closet in some restaurant oh really I said to this can I closet in a restaurant yeah, they said you can go in that closet.
• 13:09
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• 13:11
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• 13:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah right, friends, all right.
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• 13:31
  Speaker 2: Yes, all right, friends.
• 13:32
  Speaker 2: Today we are going to examine the six things that God hates.
• 13:38
  Speaker 2: Ray, god and hate are not oftentimes associated with each other in this world.
• 13:43
  Speaker 3: When you said the six things, I thought of the six sleek sheep, six, six.
• 13:48
  Speaker 2: You could get in trouble with that one, yeah be careful, that's the hardest tongue twister.
• 13:52
  Speaker 3: Yeah examining six things God hates.
• 13:54
  Speaker 3: I hate people that aren't loving.
• 13:55
  Speaker 3: I've always felt that way.
• 13:56
  Speaker 3: I hate them too.
• 13:57
  Speaker 2: You do.
• 13:58
  Speaker 2: I hate those that hate those you do that are not loving.
• 14:01
  Speaker 3: Yeah, here's a question for you.
• 14:04
  Speaker 3: Someone says God hates all the workers of iniquity.
• 14:08
  Speaker 3: I think it's Psalm 5.
• 14:09
  Speaker 1: How do you?
• 14:09
  Speaker 3: answer that in the light of, for God so loved the world.
• 14:13
  Speaker 2: Right, yeah, I think it's an understanding of the fact that God works in ways that we can't comprehend and there are things that I can say I love but that I hate certain aspects of related to them.
• 14:29
  Speaker 4: Like Mark and his mustache, oh the mustache.
• 14:31
  Speaker 3: I hear it once put really succinctly and that is it's a judicial statement when it's God's a judge and there's no emotion coming.
• 14:40
  Speaker 3: He just hates things that are wrong and are unjust.
• 14:43
  Speaker 4: I think one of the misnomers is that the opposite of love is hate, and so if God is love, how could he hate?
• 14:50
  Speaker 4: But the reality is that the opposite of love is not hate and the opposite of hate is not love.
• 14:54
  Speaker 4: The opposite of love is really indifference, because God is a jealous God.
• 15:01
  Speaker 4: He hates sin, he hates people who rebel against him, and he is a jealous God in the sense that he longs for you.
• 15:08
  Speaker 4: So when I say indifference, imagine this.
• 15:10
  Speaker 4: Imagine that my daughter brings home some drug addict that I know is bad for her, that I know is gonna lead her down a wrong path, that I know with absolute certainty she's gonna end up in jail, on the streets, addicted to something right.
• 15:23
  Speaker 4: And if my response as a father is to go eh whatever it's her choice, I, my response as a father, is to go.
• 15:29
  Speaker 4: Whatever it's her choice, I don't really care.
• 15:31
  Speaker 4: That's indifference.
• 15:32
  Speaker 4: That's not love.
• 15:32
  Speaker 4: But if I hate the path my daughter's going down, if I seek after her good, if I desire to reconcile her back to the family, that's love.
• 15:43
  Speaker 4: In other words, the hatred that God has puts him into motion to take action, to do something about the things that are pulling us away from him, and that something is going to the cross.
• 15:55
  Speaker 4: That's really good.
• 15:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and we have to understand that.
• 15:58
  Speaker 2: You know that hatred is associated with the nature of God, which is love.
• 16:05
  Speaker 2: So when you're a God who possesses within your nature a love that is so intense and extreme because you are the definition of love, to where Scripture goes so far as to say that God is love right, that's one of the ways that he's defined Then you can understand how, when something rivals that love, which is ultimately evil and wickedness, why it would elicit hate.
• 16:30
  Speaker 2: But again, it's in a way that we can't fully grasp and comprehend it.
• 16:34
  Speaker 2: Obviously, god has demonstrated his own love toward us and that, while we were yet sinners, christ died for us.
• 16:40
  Speaker 2: So even those of us that have been redeemed, who have been regenerated, there was a time when we were outside of redemption, we were in rebellion, we were in sin.
• 16:52
  Speaker 2: God demonstrated love in that time, but there was still that element of hatred involved that is in keeping with judgment and wrath.
• 16:59
  Speaker 2: Does that make sense?
• 17:00
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a sinless hatred.
• 17:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely.
• 17:03
  Speaker 2: That's a good way to put it, ray.
• 17:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so let's break this passage down here.
• 17:08
  Speaker 2: We'll take it bit by bit.
• 17:10
  Speaker 2: Proverbs 6, 16, 19.
• 17:12
  Speaker 2: These six things the Lord hates, and I love it when God gets specific like that, you know, highlights things, like I've often told people.
• 17:22
  Speaker 2: You know, look, you're looking for God's will in emotions.
• 17:26
  Speaker 2: You're looking for God's will in keeping with, you know, things that might rise up on a whim, but there are certain things in Scripture that tell you what God's will is.
• 17:34
  Speaker 2: I think this is one of those things where we can look and say look, god has clearly defined the things that he detests and the things that he hates, and he lists out these six things.
• 17:43
  Speaker 2: And then, right, it says yes, seven are an abomination to him, abomination that carries with it that deep sense of detestation towards sin.
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: And, ray, we can pause here for just a moment and say God finds the violation of his law an abomination and that's why, for years, you've encouraged believers hold up the law of God, otherwise people aren't going to see their sin as being as abominable as it is.
• 18:19
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's human nature to trivialize sin, and I can't believe how predictable human beings are when you say have you lied?
• 18:23
  Speaker 3: How many have you told?
• 18:24
  Speaker 3: And they always go.
• 18:24
  Speaker 3: Yes, when I was two, I told these tiny, tiny little, wee little white lies Wow, and did you ever steal?
• 18:31
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, when I was a little tiny kid, I stole some tiny candy from a tiny store.
• 18:35
  Speaker 3: It's just ridiculous.
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: And like when I lusted after a woman.
• 18:40
  Speaker 3: She was just tiny.
• 18:41
  Speaker 4: I like Ray's response.
• 18:42
  Speaker 4: I am a tiny man telling you that, that is no tiny sin.
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: That nullifies all your tiny excuses.
• 18:53
  Speaker 3: But the issue is brought clear with that wages of sin is death.
• 18:55
  Speaker 3: That's the payment God's giving you for your sin.
• 18:56
  Speaker 3: You trivialize it, but God takes it very seriously to a point where he's given you the death sentence.
• 18:59
  Speaker 3: You're on death row and your death will be evidence to you that God is deadly serious about sin.
• 19:04
  Speaker 3: And so then you can bring up lying lips are an abomination to the Lord, to a point where the wrath of God spilled over from heaven over on one couple that told one lie.
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: Wow, yeah, that's big.
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: I've highlighted that before A man and a woman eating a piece of fruit in a garden thousands of years ago, and here we are today.
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: I mean the ramifications of sin and how serious it is in the sight of a holy God, and yet he's not beyond mercy today.
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: I mean the ramifications of sin and how serious it is in the sight of a holy God, and yet he's not beyond mercy.
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: Right?
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: I mean, you've got David committing adultery, committing murder, and Nathan says to him when David showed repentance, and God has put away your sin.
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: So don't trivialize sin and don't see it beyond God's ability to forgive and wash away.
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: But I think for our purposes today, we really have to look at these sins that God lists and, as believers say, I want to get as far away as I can.
• 19:56
  Speaker 3: Abomination really is an archaic word.
• 19:57
  Speaker 3: We don't really use it in today's language, unless we're talking about mustaches from an Arab point of view yeah.
• 20:03
  Speaker 3: But it means extremely detestable to God I like your mustache Mark extremely detestable lying lips and they're not to us.
• 20:13
  Speaker 3: I mean, who doesn't lie?
• 20:15
  Speaker 3: It's no big deal that's right.
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: We all do it.
• 20:19
  Speaker 3: That's one of the biggest excuses yeah, and it's amazing how many people you say how many lies are you told?
• 20:24
  Speaker 3: And I had this happen yesterday.
• 20:26
  Speaker 3: A guy says how many lies have I told?
• 20:27
  Speaker 3: And so I pointed this happen yesterday.
• 20:28
  Speaker 3: A guy says uh, how many lies have I told?
• 20:29
  Speaker 3: And so I pointed out to him the way to know a liar is repeat.
• 20:32
  Speaker 3: They repeat the question because they're abiding time to find an answer, and it made him smile.
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: It's so true when you, when you get the question repeated, you always know that something, something's happening.
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: They're stalling.
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: They're trying to pull something out of the hat.
• 20:47
  Speaker 3: They're stalling, stalling, or they're trying to pull something out of a hat, yeah something 300.
• 20:57
  Speaker 3: Mark's the director of the Department of Annoyance.
• 20:59
  Speaker 3: Yeah, thank you, mark.
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: So let's kick this off here.
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: So God hates these things and seven are an abomination, says to him.
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: First of all, a proud look, mark, you were in the world of sports and I caught myself doing this the other day.
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: There was a basketball player.
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: He did this big dunk or something he did on the screen.
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: I can't remember exactly what it was, but I looked at him and I experienced this disgust.
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: I'm sorry, I'll never dunk again.
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: I told you Oscar, don't dunk on the kiddie basketball hoops.
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: How many times.
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: But that arrogance grieved me and then it convicted me because I thought how many times have I had that at some point in my life?
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: But what is it with sports, specifically Mark, that brings that out?
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: They are the elitists.
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: They are able to do something that none of us are able to do.
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: Remember, we have been hardwired within our DNA to stand in awe of that which is greater than ourselves.
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: So when we see people exemplify that and do things that we think are just impossible, like dunking on a rim right, some people will never be able to experience that right.
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: I knew that was coming with some dunk dunk, no listen, I mean look, I'm not able to do it either, but people are able to not just be great athletes, but the top of the great athletes, known as the GOATs.
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: They're just the greatest of all time, and they accomplish something that not only a common man can't do, but other professional athletes cannot do.
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: The only thing they're going to hear is praise, right, so we throw our tithes at them on Sunday morning when we go to their games.
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: Right, we're singing their praises and we lift them up to a place of deity.
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: They're going to begin to believe it, because nobody is better than them.
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: I think it was.
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: Was it?
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: I'll say Dwight Howard?
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: I don't think it was, but there was somebody who was part of like an all-star team with Kobe Bryant and he said you know, I'm going to get up before everybody gets up and I'm going to go practice and he goes out there and he's practicing and then he's out there, I think it's for like a couple hours, but when he gets out there to go practice before the rest of the team practice, he saw that Kobe was finishing his first workout.
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: It was Chris Bosh.
• 23:20
  Speaker 3: Chris.
• 23:20
  Speaker 3: Bosh yeah, it was.
• 23:21
  Speaker 3: You're absolutely right, it was.
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: And look, in order to be in this position of deity, you have to be able to put in the time.
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: They put in the time and now everybody is thinking the best of them and yeah, they live in a weird world where, of course, their pride is going to be put up.
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: But listen to what Thomas Manton said in his book the Complete Works of Thomas Manton.
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: He said Pride is the first chapter in the book of folly.
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: Ooh, pride is the first chapter in the book of folly.
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: Pride is the first chapter in the book of folly.
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: When you begin to read your headlines and then think that they're true.
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: You know, I just had a thought come into my mind that pride was also the first act in falling and that was Satan's downfall, and he uses it as his constant lure toward people.
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: Oscar, I want you to touch on this, if you would.
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: I've heard the saying that, look, you don't have to be rich to be a person who's my girl Talking about.
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: That was good.
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: Thank you, that's good, that's Prince.
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: Oh, I'm thinking of another one.
• 24:31
  Speaker 4: You don't have to be rich to be my girl Boy.
• 24:34
  Speaker 4: Prince had a weird voice Anyway, so Oscar, what do you think of Prince's voice I got?
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: purple rain on the brain right now?
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: No, but they talk about.
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: You don't have to be necessarily rich to be greedy or whatever, but you don't have to be someone like Marx has described, who's an elite in the world, to deal with pride.
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: What's at the root of it?
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: What makes us have that?
• 25:04
  Speaker 4: proud.
• 25:05
  Speaker 4: Look Well, what's funny?
• 25:06
  Speaker 4: Is that?
• 25:06
  Speaker 4: What's interesting if you look at what CS Lewis says about pride.
• 25:08
  Speaker 4: He says that people often think that pride is only for those who think highly of themselves.
• 25:14
  Speaker 4: But he points out, pride is for anybody who thinks too much of themselves.
• 25:20
  Speaker 4: So he says, like somebody who thinks highly of themselves, I'm the greatest, I'm the best.
• 25:24
  Speaker 4: But somebody who thinks too little of themselves still struggles with pride.
• 25:30
  Speaker 4: If they think, man, I can never do it, I'm never good enough, I never, I, never.
• 25:34
  Speaker 4: You're still at the center of your own story, and that's the thing about pride is that pride makes you the hero of your story, the center of your own story.
• 25:46
  Speaker 4: And the beginning of humility comes when we recognize that this life is not about us, that this story I am not the main act, I'm not the main character Jesus is this is.
• 26:00
  Speaker 4: God's story, and I'm blessed to play my part in it.
• 26:03
  Speaker 4: That's where humility starts is not by thinking too much of yourself, but by thinking less of yourself.
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: Amen, oh that's good, all right.
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: A lying tongue no, all right.
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: Were you going to say something?
• 26:15
  Speaker 3: No, no, no, no, all right, it's not just sport that we see that proud look.
• 26:19
  Speaker 3: It's those skinny models that walk down that walkway with that look of arrogance, they're like strutting cocky roosters.
• 26:27
  Speaker 3: It's just horrible.
• 26:29
  Speaker 3: What do they?
• 26:32
  Speaker 4: do, how do?
• 26:32
  Speaker 3: they do it.
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: I'm just too humble to do that.
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: Is that the noise roosters?
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: make.
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: Ray, I'm so glad you pointed that out.
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: What I'm often blown away by is they can have that look and they oftentimes you guys have seen the ridiculous things they wear.
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: look absolutely stupid and we're an absolutely stupid.
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: It's like they're trying to counter and who in the world would bite?
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: Like hey, get up there and look like a buffoon.
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: They're walking around.
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: It's just crazy.
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but there is something about that right.
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: We can all discern that haughty look, that proud look.
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: I mean we talked about arrogance on the previous podcast recently, but we can discern it, we can see it Like that is not something that is in keeping, it's like a universal thing.
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: It's not in keeping with humility.
• 27:19
  Speaker 3: Also rock musicians.
• 27:20
  Speaker 3: They have a deal still shot.
• 27:22
  Speaker 3: They don't all smile, oh yeah.
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: They look arrogant.
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: Wow, that's so true.
• 27:28
  Speaker 4: How about pastors from the pulpit?
• 27:29
  Speaker 4: Ooh.
• 27:31
  Speaker 3: Rock musicians that are pastors, that are models from the pulpit, yeah that's true.
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: No, Oscar, that's a good point to make too.
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: It never looks uglier than on a man of God.
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: You guys remember that video we talked about that pastor that went at one of his congregants, walked out from the pulpit and just said hey, look at me, I'm somebody.
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: That was wild man.
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's terrifying to think that we as people can get to that place when we're unchecked and where our hearts can go, our wicked, fallen hearts.
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, a lying tongue.
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: How many lies have you told?
• 28:09
  Speaker 3: Ray, you're the lying expert investigator.
• 28:10
  Speaker 3: The Ken Ham picks on me about that.
• 28:13
  Speaker 4: He's been all like that.
• 28:14
  Speaker 4: He has been harassing you about that.
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: Yes, he has.
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: You had to show him that he lied because he was accusing you of asking have you ever told a lie?
• 28:22
  Speaker 3: You don't say that anymore.
• 28:23
  Speaker 3: I haven't said that for about 15 years.
• 28:24
  Speaker 3: Yeah, what do you say now, ray?
• 28:25
  Speaker 3: How many lies have you told?
• 28:27
  Speaker 3: And Anna Jackson gave me that one.
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: She said this would be a better one.
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: I remember that.
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I thought she's right.
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: That really, really helped.
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: So we're going to have to go through all your questions, ray, and revise them.
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: Wasn't it hard, though, at first, to like break away from something you've said so many times?
• 28:43
  Speaker 3: Oh yes, I remember when I backslid from using biblical evangelism.
• 28:47
  Speaker 3: I was in Australia just in a seminar and I was walking down, I think just a pathway, and back in some country area and people came up behind me and I started witnessing a man-centered gospel.
• 29:00
  Speaker 3: You know, you'll never find peace without what am I talking about and it was because I was in that groove and I had to shake myself out of it.
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, wow, yeah.
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: So a lying tongue.
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: God hates a lying tongue.
• 29:14
  Speaker 3: White man speaks with forked tongue Forked tongue.
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: Where's that from?
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: Is that from Cowboy movies?
• 29:19
  Speaker 3: That's what the Indians used to say he big um, like whatever.
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah, have you noticed as you look at these six things, or seven things, that God hates?
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: Wait?
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: wait.
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: Sorry, mark, real quick.
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: This is the first time Ray does an Indian accent without an Indian.
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: Well, it was a red.
• 29:36
  Speaker 3: Indian.
• 29:36
  Speaker 3: Why do they call red Indians?
• 29:37
  Speaker 3: It was an American Indian, native American.
• 29:39
  Speaker 3: Do it again, ray.
• 29:40
  Speaker 3: What?
• 29:40
  Speaker 3: What are you talking about?
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: A white man speaking with a white tongue.
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: Sorry, mark, no great Two of the six things that God hates.
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: They deal with lying right.
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: There's something to be told there how important truth is to God.
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: God desires truth in the inward parts.
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: Flying lips are an abomination to the Lord.
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: No liar will inherit the kingdom of God.
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: Lying is wrong because God is always, always honest, and so be careful with that right.
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: Lying lips and abomination of the Lord and it was Spurgeon who said a lie can travel halfway around the world while the truth is putting on its Socks Shoes.
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: How about this, richard Nixon?
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: I don't live too far from where he was born.
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: Richard Nixon, his downfall with the Watergate scandal, all had to deal with a lie, saying that he didn't have any insight as to what was going on with it, and his attempt to cover up the truth.
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: That led to his resignation and forever tarnished his legacy.
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: But he said, the greatest honor history can bestow is the title of peacemaker.
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: But those who sow lies reap a bitter harvest.
• 30:51
  Speaker 3: Did he say that before I was going to ask?
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: No, this was after Watergate.
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: He said that after Watergate.
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: After Watergate Wow.
• 30:57
  Speaker 3: Really hard for him to redeem himself.
• 30:59
  Speaker 3: I'm not a crook.
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: It's funny.
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: I said that the other day because Rachel and I were walking by.
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: You're not a crook.
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we're walking by the Richard Nixon Library and I saw that helicopter that's there, the famous one where he's holding up the peace signs.
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: So that's the museum, just by your house, yeah he was born there, but also buried there more too.
• 31:18
  Speaker 4: JI Packer has this great line because I think also we lie about what a lie is.
• 31:22
  Speaker 4: Ji Packer has this great line where he says a half-truth masquerading as a whole truth becomes a complete untruth, which I love that.
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: That's good, oscar.
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: I wanted to ask you this you know, when Ray's out on the streets and he's asking people that question, you know how many lies do you say you've told?
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: The way that most people answer is almost like a giveaway that they think lying is fine.
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: It's like oh, thousands, you know.
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: But it's not like oh, like with shame, right when he gets into.
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: Have you ever looked with lust?
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: There's more of like kind of shame or stolen.
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: But with lying, what is that Like?
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, everyone just does it.
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: Is it just kind of desensitization?
• 32:01
  Speaker 4: It's definitely desensitization.
• 32:03
  Speaker 4: I can't say that word.
• 32:04
  Speaker 4: Thank you so much?
• 32:05
  Speaker 4: It's definitely that thing.
• 32:07
  Speaker 4: I think we well.
• 32:08
  Speaker 4: And then we also compare ourselves to other people.
• 32:10
  Speaker 4: You know, you think like well, yeah, I've told lies, but my lies are you know, air quote white lies.
• 32:15
  Speaker 4: My lies are small lies, not compared to the kind of lies that politicians tell the Bernie Madoffs of the world tell these are big lies.
• 32:22
  Speaker 4: These are lies that hurt other people.
• 32:24
  Speaker 4: They look at the main issue with lying.
• 32:26
  Speaker 4: They look at it as a horizontal issue and that's why you make the excuse of like well, if I lie to protect, if I lie to not hurt, then it's okay.
• 32:36
  Speaker 4: But lying all sin for that matter is not first and foremost a horizontal issue.
• 32:40
  Speaker 4: The way it affects the people around you, the way it affects your lives, Lying is first and foremost or any sin for that matter is first and foremost a vertical issue.
• 32:49
  Speaker 4: It defames the glory in the name of God.
• 32:53
  Speaker 4: You were created to image a God who always tells the truth and when you lie, you defame his image.
• 33:02
  Speaker 4: You fall short of your calling to honor your creator by always telling the truth.
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: Wow, I was thinking about how these body language experts have gotten to a place where they can usually tell if someone's lying.
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: It's like these telltale signs that the majority of people do.
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: I thought, man, how crazy to get to a place where that can't be discerned, because you've gotten so good, you've so honed your craft that you're an expert liar.
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: That's terrifying, and the effect that has on you to live that fake life.
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: But yeah, I mean, everyone goes around today just with this expectation that, yeah, this is just kind of what we do.
• 33:45
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: Ray, you hate lying.
• 33:47
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's horrible.
• 33:48
  Speaker 3: It breaks down trust.
• 33:50
  Speaker 3: Some wise man once said taking the easy path is what makes men and rivers crooked.
• 33:56
  Speaker 3: Ooh, and it's so true.
• 33:58
  Speaker 3: Taking the easy, that's what lying does for you.
• 34:01
  Speaker 3: It's an easy path gets you out of things If you just lie about this, you're not going to face the consequences.
• 34:05
  Speaker 3: I think the greatest verse in all the Bible without question leaves everything else in the dust is it's impossible for God to lie.
• 34:14
  Speaker 3: Because if he could lie, then John 3.16 can't be trusted.
• 34:19
  Speaker 3: So, everything rests on that great truth that it's impossible for God to lie.
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and let me add, if you are not meditating on God's Word, which is true, you're going to believe.
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: Lies are true, and this is why it's so important to be found day and night, meditating through God's word, going through God's word and allowing God's word to go through you.
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: What's that saying, mark?
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: I read the Bible every day.
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: I read the Bible every morning because I know I'm going to be lied to the rest of the day.
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: That was a Kent Hughes quote.
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: Was that Kent Hughes?
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he was asked the question, and it was like this, from our pastor, Bruce Garner, who asked him the question you've written 22 books commentaries on the Bible.
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: What has motivated you to do that?
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: And in the midst of him giving that answer, he had said well, I start off by reading God's word in the morning, knowing that it's true and because I know the rest of the day I'm going to be lied to.
• 35:15
  Speaker 3: Wow, so good, and it's so true and I've mentioned this before and I'm so pleased I've gotten to the habit of doing this is I look at one star when I'm convinced that something is.
• 35:24
  Speaker 3: I've just got to buy this.
• 35:25
  Speaker 3: I saw this thing where you can put it on your stomach, and it's been invented by a scientist and it makes your abs, come up.
• 35:32
  Speaker 3: It's that thing that like pulsates and it's just all these guys around with these six packs and that.
• 35:37
  Speaker 3: So check it out and the one star says the stupid thing's made of plastic.
• 35:41
  Speaker 3: I wouldn't even stick to my stomach.
• 35:42
  Speaker 3: Don't get it, it's a waste of money.
• 35:44
  Speaker 3: So always go to those one stars, because lying, love of money, is the root of all evil and lying gets people money.
• 35:52
  Speaker 3: If you can get anyone to come on camera and say this is the best thing I've ever had I sleep better because of this you can sell it.
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: I remember you in the airport once taking a picture of the burger or the breakfast sandwich, something we got.
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: You took the picture of it up on the yes on the thing and then you took the picture of it looked nothing like it was just a little slop on the thing.
• 36:11
  Speaker 3: And then you took the picture of it and it looked nothing like what they were advertising.
• 36:12
  Speaker 3: It was just a little slop on the plate.
• 36:13
  Speaker 3: It was just nothing like the picture they had.
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's a good point, you know, because it's become common, it's just become justified, like we don't look at those and go, that's a lie, and we get worked up.
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: It's just like oh yeah, that's just what they do, and those pictures aren't even real.
• 36:28
  Speaker 3: They've spent all day spraying this burger to make it shine in the light.
• 36:32
  Speaker 3: It's not even real cheese.
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: I remember seeing how they it's all like, yeah, they're sort of almost putting costumes on.
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: You guys are making me crave winter stencil.
• 36:42
  Speaker 4: What are you doing around one o'clock?
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: Horrible, All right.
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: So we got a few more to hit here.
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: I think we've hit the tongue with false witness who speaks lies, those kind of coincide Hands that shed innocent blood.
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: Abortion Expound on that Mark.
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: Well, people are pregnant.
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: They should deliver.
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: They don't, they deserve the wrath of God, right?
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: I mean, you consider what we have to vote for here with the next election.
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: We have two presidents one who is for the killing of babies all the way up until the due date, and then another potential president who is changing his tune and giving these caveats for abortion more and more right.
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: This voting for the lesser of two evils has just become the place where the United States of America is at right.
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: God hates the shedding of innocent blood and we are a society where I think it was 60 million babies are killed every year worldwide.
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: Babies are killed every year worldwide.
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: In the United States alone, it's like 63 million babies since Roe v Wade, january 20, 1973.
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: There is nothing greater than abortion inside of our day and age, where we snub our nose up at God and say, no, we will take this into our own hands, right?
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: We harm the innocent, we defy the God who created them and we challenge God not to do anything about it.
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: We are experiencing the wrath of God and, it's been said, the first step to God pouring out his wrath upon a people group is simply to look the other way and to allow the people to do what they want to do, because they will self-destruct All the time waiting for God's hammer to come down and to judge the people.
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: We don't deserve Kamala or Trump.
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: What do we deserve?
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: We deserve to be embers in the pit of hell.
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: That's what we deserve and that's where America's heading.
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: Unless a revival is sent and God's people humble themselves, they repent and they turn to him.
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: So Genesis 4.10 says the voice of your brother's blood is crying out to me from the ground.
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: God sees when the innocent suffer, so we need to do something about it.
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: I think it's William Wilberforce who said that lack of better words that abortion mills should have a sign out front that say open by the permission of the local church, because the local church is not doing anything about abortion in our day and age.
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: And if I had the ability and the time to stand in front of a pulpit, I would plead with all pastors to have a benevolent closet where it's filled with formula and food, maybe a crib, things of that nature, diapers, so that single mothers would know that this is a place where you can come and to receive help.
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: But no, I mean, what are the churches?
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: The churches by and large are're hungry to build bigger buildings and have greater programs.
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: And these celebrity pastors who just don't care about these outcasts right.
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: We need to be careful.
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: Martin Luther said life is the gift of God and he alone has the right to take it away.
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: We can't act as God.
• 40:08
  Speaker 2: That's a good word, Mark.
• 40:10
  Speaker 3: Very heavy Ray, you were going to say Speaking to these issues that are like a tornado that rushed through the country.
• 40:13
  Speaker 3: We can't act as God.
• 40:13
  Speaker 3: That's a good word, mark.
• 40:13
  Speaker 3: Very heavy Ray, you were going to say Speaking of these issues that are like a tornado that rushed through the country.
• 40:15
  Speaker 3: We can't do anything about it except the gospel.
• 40:17
  Speaker 3: So we have a Trump-Harris million yes, with great AI pictures, graphics of Harris and Trump with boxing gloves.
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: Red boxing gloves.
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: Blue boxing gloves.
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: Brad did a great job on that track and yeah, wonderful, wonderful artwork.
• 40:34
  Speaker 3: So use them.
• 40:36
  Speaker 3: You can give them out to anyone.
• 40:37
  Speaker 3: Everyone loves them because it's both sides.
• 40:39
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 40:40
  Speaker 4: Amen.
• 40:40
  Speaker 4: Speaking of gospel, getting back to Proverbs chapter six, or continuing to expound, I should say, on Proverbs chapter six, scholars would point out that in this chapter the gospel is found in verse 17, which is hands that shed innocent blood.
• 40:56
  Speaker 4: And you might think like how is that the gospel?
• 41:02
  Speaker 4: Well, proverbs 6 is referencing the story of Cain and Abel and the story of Cain and Abel.
• 41:10
  Speaker 4: Of course it's very interesting when you look at the story of Cain and Abel and the story of Cain and Abel.
• 41:13
  Speaker 4: Of course it's very interesting when you look at the story of Cain and Abel because Eve thought that Cain was going to be the savior.
• 41:17
  Speaker 4: Remember the proto-evangelion the first time the gospel is ever mentioned is in Genesis 3, when God says to Adam and Eve you will have a descendant that will crush the head of the serpent.
• 41:27
  Speaker 4: And so then, chapter four, verse one, eve says about Cain I have gotten a man with the help of the serpent.
• 41:30
  Speaker 4: And so then, chapter four, verse one, eve says about Cain I have gotten a man with the help of the Lord.
• 41:35
  Speaker 4: Scholars point out this isn't a worshipful celebration, this is a brag.
• 41:41
  Speaker 4: This is, look, what I have done.
• 41:43
  Speaker 4: I've created a firstborn and this man is going to save us, and you can almost hear the way Eve might raise Cain.
• 41:50
  Speaker 4: Go out there and prove yourself.
• 41:52
  Speaker 4: You're gonna be the one that's gonna save us.
• 41:54
  Speaker 4: You're gonna be the one that's gonna crush the head of the serpent, which Cain.
• 41:58
  Speaker 4: Ultimately, he thinks that he can earn salvation through his works and ultimately, his works aren't good enough for God.
• 42:09
  Speaker 4: And Genesis 4.10,.
• 42:11
  Speaker 4: Here's where the gospel starts to come into play.
• 42:13
  Speaker 4: God goes to Cain and he says to him what have you done?
• 42:19
  Speaker 4: The voice of your brother, brother's blood is crying out to me from the ground.
• 42:26
  Speaker 4: And Cain's response is very similar to his father, adam's response, where he you know it was Adam.
• 42:35
  Speaker 4: Well, one Jesus goes to him in the same way they went to Adam where are you?
• 42:38
  Speaker 4: He goes to Cain and says what have you done?
• 42:41
  Speaker 4: And in the same way Adam was like it was my wife, cain goes what am I, my brother's keeper?
• 42:46
  Speaker 4: He's repeating these sin issues.
• 42:49
  Speaker 4: And so here's where the gospel is.
• 42:50
  Speaker 4: How was that gospel?
• 42:52
  Speaker 4: Good news, because Hebrews 12, 24 puts it all together.
• 42:55
  Speaker 4: It says and Jesus, the mediator of the new covenant, into the blood of sprinkling, that speaks out better things than that of Abel.
• 43:05
  Speaker 4: In other words, our sins are crying out for the ground.
• 43:10
  Speaker 4: Abel's blood cried out guilty, guilty, guilty murderer, but our sins that put Jesus on the cross.
• 43:19
  Speaker 4: His blood cries out.
• 43:21
  Speaker 4: Forgive them.
• 43:21
  Speaker 4: They know not what they do.
• 43:25
  Speaker 4: He is the better Cain, who was able to master sin and crushed the head of the serpent.
• 43:32
  Speaker 4: And he is the better Adam whose blood does not cry out for our guilt but provides a way for salvation.
• 43:40
  Speaker 4: And so here's the big thing is is the gospel?
• 43:42
  Speaker 4: Good news is, as we look at this list, we can walk away going man, I got to do better, I got to do better, I got to do better, but we don't obey so that we earn God's favor.
• 43:52
  Speaker 4: We see that we have unmerited favor, so we obey.
• 43:58
  Speaker 4: So, christian, take heart.
• 44:00
  Speaker 4: It's not about this list, is not about what needs to be done, but it reminds you of all that has been done for you, amen.
• 44:10
  Speaker 2: He gives us the power to obey.
• 44:12
  Speaker 2: And one thing that's often overlooked is what is part and parcel with the fruit of the Spirit, and that is self-control.
• 44:18
  Speaker 2: And the only way we can walk in self-control is if we've been quickened and made alive, because a dead person can't control anything.
• 44:25
  Speaker 2: And so that's a great great point, oscar.
• 44:27
  Speaker 2: That's a great great point, oscar.
• 44:28
  Speaker 2: All right, ray, a heart that devises wicked plans, a reminder that God sees right into our hearts and knows exactly what's going on in there.
• 44:39
  Speaker 2: But that's a big highlight he sees that.
• 44:44
  Speaker 3: Huge revelation to understand that God sees the heart, the intents and thoughts of the heart.
• 44:50
  Speaker 3: And I often ask people so how does it make you feel that God knows you by name?
• 44:55
  Speaker 3: And they say, oh, really good, how does it feel to know that God sees your thoughts?
• 44:58
  Speaker 3: Okay, and then you bring out the fact that he sees lust as adultery.
• 45:05
  Speaker 3: He hated his murder.
• 45:06
  Speaker 3: And the Bible says our hearts drink and drink like water.
• 45:09
  Speaker 3: Our eyes are full of adultery and the heart is deceitfully wicked.
• 45:13
  Speaker 3: Who can know it?
• 45:13
  Speaker 3: So all of us devise evil plans.
• 45:17
  Speaker 3: Before we come to Christ, we've got these imaginations that are continually evil, that have a propensity towards sin.
• 45:24
  Speaker 3: I know my heart was like that, especially sexual imaginations, until God gives us a new heart and causes us to walk in his statutes and desire the things that God desires.
• 45:34
  Speaker 3: And there's a great living Bible verse which says that God will.
• 45:37
  Speaker 3: Of that verse, god will cause us to do the things he wants us to do, without him even telling us to do it.
• 45:42
  Speaker 3: That's what happens when you come to Christ.
• 45:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah and Mark, there's a difference between doing evil on a whim not that it minimizes it in terms of its seriousness or effect, but there's something about devising, planning premeditating.
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, your eyes are full of hate.
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: 41.
• 46:02
  Speaker 3: That's good, kate keeps a man alive, it makes him strong.
• 46:06
  Speaker 3: We keep you alive to serve the ship Row well and live.
• 46:11
  Speaker 4: Do that in an Indian accent Wow, ray, you're straight from your roots.
• 46:17
  Speaker 3: It just doesn't sound.
• 46:18
  Speaker 3: The same.
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: That's from Ben Hur.
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: It's just a wonderful thing.
• 46:23
  Speaker 3: That's bravely spoken.
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: Premeditated anything is terrible.
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: Our courts of law, we recognize that.
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: We do something about that, and this is why, when somebody devises and plans out, it's even worse.
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: So we need to be careful in the midst of that.
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: The Christians do not in any way plan out, devise, plan to do something that is evil.
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: We fall into sin, we walk into sin, we do things that we shouldn't do, but we certainly don't plan to make something happen.
• 46:59
  Speaker 3: That is a first sign of what the world does.
• 47:02
  Speaker 3: Walking into sin should be to us like walking into a spider web.
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: Ooh no, it's good.
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: That's a great sign.
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: That's how you get your aerobics done in the morning.
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: That's funny Walking a spider web, you'll get that spider web off.
• 47:13
  Speaker 2: This morning, for the first time in my life, I got just this little tidbit of wisdom.
• 47:17
  Speaker 2: I go to my car and it's parked between a wall and the driveway.
• 47:21
  Speaker 2: I usually run into spider webs.
• 47:23
  Speaker 2: This morning I actually put my arm out and checked first.
• 47:26
  Speaker 2: Duh.
• 47:27
  Speaker 4: Don't you have a video of your daughter running into a spider web?
• 47:29
  Speaker 4: Oh Duh.
• 47:30
  Speaker 3: Don't you have a video of your daughter running into a spiderweb?
• 47:31
  Speaker 3: Oh, I do Outside your house.
• 47:32
  Speaker 3: You shouldn't rejoice in that, oh yeah, no, that's bad, that's devising evil Oscar, what he does.
• 47:36
  Speaker 3: I remember you said that If you're ever walking in the dark, cross your arms if you have to walk in the dark, Don't go like this.
• 47:43
  Speaker 3: I've learned that I do that actually because end, if you just go like this in the dark, you can go straight into a door that's open.
• 47:50
  Speaker 2: Ray, you've written so many how-to books how to overcome insomnia, how to overcome panic attacks.
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: You need to do one on how to not kill yourself, because you are the expert.
• 48:02
  Speaker 2: You should have died long ago.
• 48:02
  Speaker 2: Oscar, feet that are swift in running to evil Not that run to evil swift.
• 48:08
  Speaker 2: God hates that.
• 48:09
  Speaker 2: Those that are just.
• 48:10
  Speaker 2: They love to run into sin.
• 48:15
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it reminds me of a book that's currently in the top 10, fight Like a man.
• 48:21
  Speaker 3: Oh, oscar, you as agent.
• 48:22
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he gives me $20 every time I mention it in public.
• 48:25
  Speaker 2: I didn't say a word.
• 48:27
  Speaker 4: No, but I mean we do need to put up a good fight.
• 48:29
  Speaker 4: I mean the scriptures, over and over again, talk about this war on sin.
• 48:34
  Speaker 4: I mean, in one way, the war has been won in our justification, that is, that our right standing before the Lord is taken care of on the cross.
• 48:41
  Speaker 4: However, once that's handled, jesus has this ongoing desire for us to pursue sanctification, becoming more like Christ, and that is a synergistic battle.
• 48:53
  Speaker 4: While justification is monergistic, sanctification is synergistic.
• 48:56
  Speaker 4: It's something that we do with the strength of the Lord to fight sin, to run from evil, to not make compromises.
• 49:03
  Speaker 4: Sin is crouching at your door.
• 49:05
  Speaker 4: It desires to have you, but you must master it.
• 49:09
  Speaker 4: There is this intentionality, not this passive falling into it, thinking it's not that big of a deal, assuming that God's got it taken care of.
• 49:19
  Speaker 4: You know that's antinomianism.
• 49:21
  Speaker 4: That was a major problem in the early part of the church.
• 49:24
  Speaker 4: The Lord desires for us to pick up our cross and follow him.
• 49:30
  Speaker 2: Amen, that's good, yeah, and whereas you know, we used to run swiftly into doing evil, now, as believers, we have the power to run away from evil, to flee from sin, as Scripture talks about in different places, to be that Joseph who runs right.
• 49:46
  Speaker 2: We run to righteousness.
• 49:47
  Speaker 2: Now, ooh, amen, yeah, all right.
• 49:50
  Speaker 2: And then Mark, close us out with one who sows discord among brethren, ouch.
• 49:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, how beautiful and pleasant it is for brethren to dwell together in unity.
• 50:01
  Speaker 4: You know, scripture says that's not what you said about easy earlier.
• 50:04
  Speaker 4: Hey, tell them what you said.
• 50:06
  Speaker 4: Hey, I can't Not on air.
• 50:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, discord and division God hates.
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: It's a terrible thing to intentionally cause a fraction amongst God's children.
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: You know, we should obviously be against what the world stands for, but within the church it should not be the case.
• 50:32
  Speaker 1: We see the Apostle Paul in, I think, 2 Corinthians, chapter 11, where he says all of these things that came down upon him but the least of which he did not expect it was the wars within the church.
• 50:45
  Speaker 1: Right, it was the backbiting, it was the gossip, it was the malicious slander that was coming up against him within the church, right?
• 50:54
  Speaker 1: So we need to be very careful when we start talking evil and devising plans and causing discord amongst, especially, the believer, because God takes it very personal.
• 51:06
  Speaker 1: These people creating the image of God are worthy of dignity, honor and respect.
• 51:12
  Speaker 1: You don't know what they're going through.
• 51:14
  Speaker 1: You have half the story.
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: Oftentimes, it's been often said that there's three points to the story.
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: You have his version, you have his version, the other version, and then you have the true version of what actually happened.
• 51:27
  Speaker 1: You know it's best just to be quiet and allow things to pan out.
• 51:32
  Speaker 1: What do we do?
• 51:32
  Speaker 1: We often disguise that in a prayer request.
• 51:35
  Speaker 1: Hey, listen, we need to pray for easy because of this, Because of what, what Right, and we share it by way of a prayer request, but in reality, it's just gossip and slander.
• 51:45
  Speaker 3: That didn't need to be said, yeah right, just in closing, absalom needs to be studied by every associate pastor, assistant pastor or any staff because of what he did.
• 51:56
  Speaker 3: I mean, the local church is like dry grass and gossip is like a lighted flame, and before you know it like that, how's it go?
• 52:07
  Speaker 1: Do it in an Indian accent.
• 52:12
  Speaker 3: Absalom went to the main gates and won the hearts of Israel by saying I'd do it this way if I was king.
• 52:18
  Speaker 3: And that's what you can do.
• 52:19
  Speaker 3: You say I pastor so-and-so's great teacher.
• 52:22
  Speaker 3: But if I was pastor, this is how I'd do it and that'll divide a church.
• 52:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he divided a kingdom, wow, yeah, and the Scripture talks about he who repeats a matter right divided a kingdom, wow, yeah, and you know the scripture talks about.
• 52:32
  Speaker 2: You know he who repeats a matter right separates friends.
• 52:34
  Speaker 2: And why don't we go on the opposite end?
• 52:38
  Speaker 2: You know someone saying something about someone else interject hey, maybe they meant this or highlight the positive aspects and elements.
• 52:45
  Speaker 2: You know, when you know that something that could be said could cause an issue or you hold it back, you don't repeat.
• 52:50
  Speaker 2: You try to do your best to create peace between brethren and not I like that word sow discord.
• 52:57
  Speaker 1: You're planting the seeds that are going to sprout into these destructive.
• 53:01
  Speaker 3: You know giant, horrible trees, and so and it can be done without noise sowing.
• 53:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, quietly, but the destruction is all the same.
• 53:11
  Speaker 2: So there you have it, friends.
• 53:13
  Speaker 2: The six things God hates, and even seven, are an abomination to him, and so we hope that this has encouraged you.
• 53:20
  Speaker 2: I was stupid to try to take all of these on in one episode, but we did it.
• 53:24
  Speaker 2: We went a little long, but there you have it, friends.
• 53:26
  Speaker 2: Yes, 300.
• 53:29
  Speaker 2: And I'm going to help you celebrate by not annoying you.
• 53:33
  Speaker 2: So thanks for joining us.
• 53:34
  Speaker 2: We'll see you next time here on the Living Waters, just kidding.
• 53:38
  Speaker 2: Podcast.
• 53:40
  Speaker 1: Poor friends.
• 53:41
  Speaker 4: Poor friends.
• 53:42
  Speaker 2: All right, friends, We'll see you next time.
• 53:44
  Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us on the Living Waters podcast when, yes, still for the 300th time we have no idea what we're doing.