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*SPECIAL EDITION* - The Trump Assassination Attempt · The Lone Gunman Podcast : JFK Assassination

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and here we go. What's up? Everybody? Welcome to the Special Assassination
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Attempt Special edition of the Lone Guming Podcast. We felt it only right and
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light of recent events beings that we are a JFK assassination research pot cast,
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and you know that's what we do. We analyze and research assassination attempts more
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specifically on JFK. But like I said, in later recent events, I
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think it's timely and you know, we can take a look at this thing,
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me and Joe and kind of all for our thoughts and opinions about different
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aspects of this whole thing, you know, in contrast with the JFK assassination
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and various other attempts of the past. So anyway, welcome to the show.
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Joe, how are you, my friend? Hey, I am good.
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It's a happy Monday. I don't think we've done a pot on Monday
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and maybe ever. But it is like you said, I don't want to
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say unprecedented because that term has been thrown around a lot and for people like
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you and me, we know this is definitely has precedent these type of situations,
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and we want to go over with you guys and give you our thoughts
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and de site to be here. Yeah, once again, the name of
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this show, it's appropriate for current events. So that's what we're going to
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do here today. I mean this Took. I don't want to say I'm
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not surprised, Joe, because I've been expecting something like this for many,
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many years, as bad as the political rhetoric of this country has gotten.
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And you know, I want to stay away from partisan politics in this whole
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discussion because it really doesn't matter. You know, at the heart of it,
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this is an attack on democracy. You know, no matter which side
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did what, or what sides behind what, or who you support or anything
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else like that, everybody should be upset about events like this because it takes
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it's attempting to take the narrative and the voice away from the people. You
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know, if you hate somebody so much and you don't want them in office,
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then don't vote for him. You know, let democracy handle things.
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But violence is never the answer. And I think we can all reflect on
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a lot of things that JFK has said in the past, Martin Luther King
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has said in the past, Robert Kennedy has said in the past about peace
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and nonviolence, and this country is way way past it. And you can
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blame it on whatever you want, you know, the bottom line is,
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this is not how these things should be decided. So without further ado let's
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get right into the events of July thirteenth. I know, Joe, I
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was on my way to pick up my son and I got this alert on
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my phone and I was like, what, Oh my god. So I
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hopped on there and immediately I found a video that we're about ready to play,
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and I was like, holy crap. You know, so yeah,
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I guess first things first, let's take a look at what happened, and
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then we can analyze it afterwards. Let's do it, sir. And I
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just want to add something really quick. You know, we you and I
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have spent you know, you're almost at three hundred shows on this podcast.
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We both spend a considerable amount of our life researching the jfk assassination. I
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like to think, and I was kind of like digging deep, like why
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do we do it? Because at the end of the day, a president
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was shot down in broad daylight and there was never any justice served for him.
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And I like to think we're we go for the truth. If you've
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followed our podcast, you know we don't deal with crazy conspiracies. We try
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to stick to the facts and the documents, try to read out the crazy
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stuff. Yeah, and there's a lot going on now, and I think
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a lot of it's intentional misdirection. But and there were no documents in this
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case, right, We are document researchers when it comes to JFK. That's
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really the only way to do it. Both weren't alive during that time,
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so it's going to be a little different for us. But we have studied
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secret service reactions witness statement analysis, and we hope to do that here.
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So without further ado, Yeah, and most recently, on the most recent
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quick hits, I went through a bunch of secret Service protocols and you know
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whether or not did they were in place that day in Dallas in nineteen sixty
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three or what? What expectations are versus reality? So yeah, let's get
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right into it, Joe, that's true. Do you want me to play
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the video first? Yeah, let's just play the video first and then,
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uh, I mean, I'm sure everybody's by now has seen it, but
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I'm sure there's some people who have not. So let's just play it and
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we candize later. Awesome. If you can't hear it at any point,
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let me know, sir. Can you make it bigger? Yes, sir,
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there you go. You see something that said take a look at what
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happened already on you ready? Whoa what hows here? Ready? Ready?
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Are you ready? Oh? Good? Down, guts down, I'll get
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to move. Ok. Let me get my shoe. Got my shoes,
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that's what sir, I got you. Let me get my shoes. Oh
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God, your head, boy, So we gotta go to question. Let
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me get what's up? All right? Oof? Yeah, there's a lot
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of a lot to go through here. Interestingly enough, let's start with the
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conspiracy theory first. Joe, immediately after he shot, there is a guy
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standing behind him who has been at a bunch of Trump rallies in the past,
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who is a very particular looking character that said something. Huh, that
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said something right. Oh. I don't know what his name is, but
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people have theorized that that's JFK Jr. In disguise mm hm. And actually
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on this day, if you look at his shirt, he's actually wearing a
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George magazine, which was JFK. Junior's magazine back in the nineties. He's
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actually wearing a George magazine with a cover on it that says shots fired.
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I have heard of this. I think his name is like Viskan Vincent Fusca
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or something like that. And yeah, he's related to JFK Jr. And
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you know, we're not going to get into all that, but I believe
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he was. He's been front and center for a couple of rallies. But
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I'm just saying it's interesting that A he's there and b he happens to be
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wearing the George magazine shirt that is shots fired on it. It's weird.
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I'm just saying it's weird. But you see in this video is of course
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the assassination attempt of Donald Trump. Now, to so you have a better
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understanding of the things that we're gonna be talking about, I'm gonna throw this
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up here, Joe on the screen just so everybody can see right all right,
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Starting from the left side, the little red square, this is where
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the shooter was shooting from, basically right over the other side of that roof
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that is kind of a very not not very sloped roof. I mean it
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is a slight slope on each side with a ridge in the middle. So
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he's gonna be on the other side of that ridge barely, okay. And
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the counter sniper team and I'm not gonna call them secret service snipers, because
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that's not what they are. The counter sniper team is gonna be to your
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right in the little red box on top of the roof there, yep,
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on the far left of those three yeah, where the three buildings are,
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and the box below it. The red box below it is where Trump was
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standing. Okay, and we're not talking a huge long distance. We're talking
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one hundred and thirty yards. I heard three hundred, but this graphic says
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it was only one hundred and thirty, which makes it even closer. So
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that can kind of give you a good idea. This is before the rally
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started or after the rally, one of the two. I don't know.
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There's no people there, but interesting to see. Joe, you have a
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very tall water tower in the upper left corner that that would be a good
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place to set up, and then of course the roof of the building below
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it, which we'll get more into here in a second. So, Joe,
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what are your thoughts first on the Secret Service response to the shooting.
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The immediate response, Well, you know what, I have to say that
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the I'm going to make a distinguish the Secret Service response to maybe the advanced
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unit that went in that goes in days and weeks before and sets up and
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sets up a perimeter and decides what how many yards or meters whatever is out
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in that perimeter, what's going to be quote in the venue type of thing.
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And this building was outside of it, for sure, And this building
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should have been in it. Oh, I agree, for sure, water
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tower should have been in it. This building should have been in it.
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Everything within a line of sight of where Trump is going to be speaking anywhere,
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line of sight a thousand yards out should have been set up, checked
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advanced, even on the day of had security on those buildings, in those
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buildings. That's just my opinion. Oh, it's it's without doubt it should
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have and why And so you asked me a question, what do I think
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of the Secret Service response? Well, the immediate team around Trump converged on
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him, jumped on top of him within about three seconds. Okay, we
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had a lot of Clint Hill's there that day. Clint Hill was not even
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three seconds. He was like more like ten, right. But and he
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was obviously at that point trying to protect Jackie Kennedy, who was trying to
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retrieve her husband's brain from the back of the car. But there were two
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Secret Service agents in the front seat the driver Greer and Kellerman in the passenger
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seat. They did not do anything. So when you can compare it,
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secret Service in total regard, disregard of their own safety, like they're supposed
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to do via their oath, jumped on Trump within very within three seconds.
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Okay, that's a great job. I'm just saying. And the counter sniper
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team, as we'll get into shortly, I don't think their sector and the
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area they were supposed to be washing was that short. Was that close,
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right, They're kind of looking for medium long range threats you could actually see.
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And we'll get into the Secret Service or not Secret Service, the sniper
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team, counter sniper team. The guy had to readjust and almost go down
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to aim, and we'll talk about what shots we think was from that team.
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But I think their response if you compare it to the JFK situation where
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there was literally no response, and of course it's a different situation. You're
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going through a city with many many, many buildings, many floors, many
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windows, very different, but you know, they're getting a lot of crap.
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But I don't think it was the immediate response team. I don't think
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it was their oversight. All right, So what we're looking at now is
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a picture of the counter Sniper team. And as you can see, Joe,
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these guys are decked out in some kind of swat gear. They are
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is clearly labeled police. Which makes me think, this is why I didn't
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call them a secret Service sniper team, because these guys are not secret service.
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Now, when what from what I've read, when Trump or any other
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presidential candidate goes to these small locales like this for these for these rallies or
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get togethers or speeches or whatever is going on, they team up with the
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local police department, okay, for a intelligence and and b help you know.
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To me, these guys are are from the local counter sniper team or
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whatever swat team if you want to call him that, that guy I call
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him Luke Bryan. Uh, that's what who he looks like to me,
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the guy closest to us. But he's got definitely a badass rig right,
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yes, tripod it up. I mean, look at the scope on that
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thing. It is lethal. I mean that's that's you know, he's shooting
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some heavy duty rifle. I don't know what kind of rifle that is,
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but it's definitely set up and to do some damage. And as you were
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alluding to the fact that he had to reacquire a target after the shots.
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And then it's hard to tell which which one of these guys actually took the
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shot. The guy that's on his belly, he did not have to readjust
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the guy with the tripod definitely had to readjust for a split second. Now
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from what I'm hearing, And I don't know how accurate this is, Joe,
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this guy had posted something on social media. It was one of these
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two snipers from the rooftop, allegedly saying that they had know they had let
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the Secret Service know that they had a bogie, that they had a tango
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in sight. He was armed and on the roof of the other building,
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and the Secret Service would not give him the green light. And if that's
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true, then that's just that's it's on the Secret Service. Everybody starting from
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the top should be fired. That's it's a dead giveaway. If that's accurate,
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that somebody wanted Trump dead. Now we can say this is some big
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conspiracy from some deep state, you know, conspiracy who doesn't necessarily have to
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be from the left, but we know if you've been paying attention that a
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lot of these big powers that be do not want Trump in office. Excuse
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me, do not want Trump in office. Again. They've tried everything to
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decimate this guy, you know, from you know, rhetoric to actual impeachment
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to court cases, and he's come through them all on the other side,
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and the only thing left is is to kill this guy. And I've actually
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heard people on the left calling for people that's saying that Trump needs to be
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eliminated. These are on national news talking heads, big wigs and government saying
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that Trump needs to be eliminated. And it's just insane to me that that
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this kind of political rhetoric out there is allowed. And honestly, they failed,
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which is the worst thing that they could have done, because Joe,
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I guarantee you that this picture right here is going to go viral, and
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it already has. There's already t shirts, there's already h you know,
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posters and whatnot. But the fact that he survived an assassination attempt pretty much
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guarantees him, if the election is not hijacked, to be re elected.
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I agree one hundred and you know, I think it was pretty straightforward even
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before this this event. You know, Biden has been reeling and listen,
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this is not they're calling Trump a threat. Even Biden is saying he's a
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threat to democracy. Well, what do you do to threats, Joe,
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Yeah, you eliminate them. And that's the rhetoric that's been building since twenty
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sixteen. I mean, let's be honest. I mean, if you were
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to take Trump's presidency and what he did and just eliminate the name, it's
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not we didn't go into a dictatorship. Likes it's all Yeah, say Joe
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Smith did everything that Trump did and there's four years. Yeah, it's a
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presidency. It's because it's Trump that people don't like him. Yeah, he's
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brash, he's crash, he's got fuck you money, and people don't like
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that because he doesn't care what other people think, you know what I mean,
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Yeah, for sure, and you know I appreciate the people that don't
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like him. That that thenk he is a threat to democracy. Of course,
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this thing we're talking about, this attempt is the biggest threat to democracy
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and not letting the political process play out. But you know, they've they've
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been kind of lighting. I heard a good analogy the match the match box
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under the tinder pile and just like one of them is gonna ignite and we
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don't need that. We sat If you're listening to this, you survived four
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years under Trump, if you hate him, it's it's all rhetoric. It's
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pretty much all coming from the media, and it needs to stop. And
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it's just, you know, we study a political assassination of someone who was
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trying to stop wars, which is what there's a common theme here, right,
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even if you go from back to Lincoln, although it was after after
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the Civil War and Kennedy and you know, Nixon, even though he wasn't
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particularly physically assassinated, probably politically assassinated. Anyone that goes against the powers that
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be, which is the intelligence services, is a threat. And Trump's a
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threat. And this is not pro Trump, it's not anti Trump. It's
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just when you fight the intelligence agencies, things like what happened to John Fitzgerald
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Kennedy happened. And I'm not saying this was an intelligence agency deep plots,
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way too early for that. It's it just needs to stop. And there's
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just trends here when you when you study this. And thank God, because
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even if the people that wanted him to get catch that bullet in the middle
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of the head. Today would be chaos. We would have riots, possibly
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all around the country. Like it wouldn't be a good result. Yeah,
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you're talking civil war. There would be retaliations. I mean, Alex Jones
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is already on social media saying, oh, next thing is gonna happen.
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Somebody's gonna somebody's gonna shoot by and blame it on the MAGA supporters retaliation.
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And you know, da da da da da, we descend into madness and
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chaos in civil war and blah blah blah. And people have been saying this
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for a while, you know. And look, if you've studied the JFK
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assassination for a little while, you know that pretty much since JFK, a
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lot of these presidents have been nothing but puppets and figureheads in and name alone,
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you know, name plate alone, you're the president. And then along
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comes people like Ronald Reagan who thinks that he's actually gonna be president and do
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president things. A guy like Reagan had he didn't need, you know,
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a bunch of this other stuff. You know, he had his own money.
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He doesn't care about a lot of these other things things. And look
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what happened to him, you know, was the last shooting attempt on you
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know, and then you have Trump come along. You know, he doesn't
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play by play by the rules, and he thinks he's going to actually be
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a president and do presidential things. And look what happened to him. You
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couldn't turn on the TV. You couldn't turn on the news while Trump was
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president without seeing something anti Trump from all angles, you know. And it's
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just like I said, They've been trying to get rid of this dude forever
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in different tactics, and none of it's worked. And then finally it's come
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to this, and you know, this is about the worst thing that could
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have happened. I mean, of course, the ultimate worst thing that could
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have happened is that is he turned it. He didn't turn his head,
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Yeah, but he did, Joe. Check this out. So I in
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this graphic, Ye, this shows how close Trump was to actually being killed.
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Let's than an inch. If he hadn't turned his head at that last
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second to look at the screen, to look at the screen, it would
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have been right through the side of his head and exited out his rear occipital.
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You know what I mean. Yeah, I mean look at that.
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It's crazy. And so I was looking at a YouTube channel. I forgot
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the name of it right now, but there were there's I guess, like
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some ballistics wind type of thing where you input all the variables and it gives
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you how far the the weather and other factors could take the grouping of shots,
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or it was a shot away from, say, like the target and
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it was one inch. And this was less than one inch away from being
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a very I mean a very bad situation for our country. No matter what
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side you stand on, this is non a political podcast. This is just
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pointing out the facts. And this is like the last option, right when
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you exhaust all other options and they have in terms of prosecuting him with his
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personality, with his policies, then trying to put him in jail take his
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money. Like this is the last step in that process. And the one
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thing that I find the most shady about this whole thing, obviously the Republican
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National Conventions this week. Brow And once you're the Republican nominee, you get
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a beefed up Social Security detail, Secret Service detail? You mean what I
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say? Social Security Yeah? Oh man, uh, Secret Service Detail.
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I was close with the SS right. Yeah, Trump got the B Team.
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Hey, and you know what that reminds me a couple months ago,
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didn't didn't Biden's administration did not try to deny extra Secret Service protection for Trump
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on the campaign trail. You know what, I don't know that. I
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know that they definitely denied it for RFK, which was a big news story
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obviously what his dad was assassinated, his uncle was assassinated. And today Rob
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they actually agreed, May yorkis I think it was too after Trump met with
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RFK Junior to try to do some type of unity thing to give RFK Junior
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Secret Service protection, even though maybe it's different if you your former president.
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But he definitely got the B Team starring Melissa McCarthy, and we'll get there.
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Well, there's a right because you have the presidential you have the vice
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president, you have the first lady. And but Trump, granted, can
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pick a lot of his favorite agents that can travel with him, that goes
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on the campaign trail. But there is a big difference between campaigning and being
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the nominee, even if you're a former president. And of course Biden's DOJ
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is not going to be like, yeah, sure, here's this extra protection
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for you. Well, that's why they're coordinating with local authorities, law enforcement.
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Yeah, and I think that's where it broke down. We'll get to
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that. But they're not all in the same comms, they're not in the
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same radio frequency. And listen, I mean this guy climbing up the roof,
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granted it's close, it's ridiculous. He could have been a drunk Trump
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supporter. This was out side the perimeter. And there's rules of engagement.
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You can't just shoot anyone you see in a roof if you're a Secret Service
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agent, unless you want to really like put yourself up to extreme scrutiny.
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So I think there were legitimate hesitations, and uh, you know, at
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the end of the day, they eliminated the threat. I think in one
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shot, which is through possible trees. That's why I think there's the prone
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guy. It could have been. It could have been the other guy had
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to readjust this. So here in this picture there's a you can a little
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bit, I can't. I can. I have a bigger one of the
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roof if you want. Well, this is the latter oh okay, which
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is circle there with the arrow pointing to it on the right side to the
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left of the tree there. Yeah, Now, allegedly this is what happened.
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So, not long before shots rang out, rally goers noticed a man
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climbing to the roof of a nearby building. They warned local police. According
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to two law enforcement officials, one local officer climbed to the roof and encountered
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Crooks, who pointed his rifle at the officer. The officer then retreated back
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down the ladder, and Crooks quickly took a shot towards Trump. And that's
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when quote unquote Secret Service snipers shot him at, said the officials, who
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spoke to the Associated Press on condition of anonymity to discuss an going investigation.
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Law enforcement officials told the Associated Press that bomb making materials were found inside the
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vehicle of the man suspected in the Trump rally shooting. There was also bomb
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making materials found at his home. Two officials were not authorized to publicly discuss
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details of their investigation and spoke to the AP on condition of anonymity. So
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let's talk about this. Donk right here, Joe for a little bit,
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Thomas Matthew Crooks. I mean, oh my god, is he wearing a
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picture of the what's the wyoming stone thing. I'm blanking on the name Washington
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Mount Rushmore. I don't know. Wow, that's that's not an ironic shirt
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to wear for your high school picture. Hey, So of course the conspiracy
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theories started abound because the bottom left picture is actually still from a video Joe
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from a black Rock video where his teacher, who is the teacher in AP
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and Advanced Science mathematics, is teaching a class and this dude is featured prom
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in the black Rock video. Now, if you don't don't know what black
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Rock is, they own the world just about everything. They're like Alex Jones,
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Deep State Central, you know, they're one of them. You know,
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I think who else is it? But there's black Rock? Who else?
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Joe, you're the financial guy? Oh man, it's uh, I
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mean we're talking. They're they're in charge of billions, if not trillions of
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dollars. Oh yeah, they're major stockholders and a ton of corporations. On
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blanking on the second name. But you know, it's that doesn't necessarily mean
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anything, but it's very interesting. This kid was obviously very smart, was
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had advanced classes math and history ironically, and uh decided to go to college
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but to live at home. And go to a community college. He was
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bullied. I saw a couple of interviews of his classmates, and it's when
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you isolate yourself and you're depressed and you kind of get into some type of
35:19
narrative. You can be I don't want to say mk ultra, but you
35:24
could be influenced, right, And why this twenty year old kid got on
35:30
a roof and as a British Republican, by the way, although his only
35:37
contribution was to Act Blue, which is the Democratic payment processor. It's crazy.
35:45
And my biggest thing is how the hell did that ladder get by the
35:52
Secret Service Advanced team? The Secret Service has an advanced team that's going to
35:57
go all around the area, I identify possible areas of threats and then take
36:02
measures to neutral How far advanced in time is the advanced team? Well,
36:10
we're talking days. I mean, somebody could go by and set this ladder
36:14
up, or it could have just been there the whole time and nobody paid
36:17
really attention to it. If it was there the whole time, that's extremely
36:25
huge oversight. I don't know if we're ever going to get the answer nout,
36:29
but I just find it hard to believe nobody saw this kid bringing a
36:34
ladder and a rifle because they said he was acting weird before. Yeah,
36:39
the rally, right, and even I heard reports, and of course it's
36:46
really hard at this early stage to completely verify things, so so we'll preface
36:52
it by we're not sure about it. But he was actually identified by Secret
36:57
Service because he was scouting the area and taking notes. And apparently there was
37:02
also a I don't know if a swat team or counter counter counter assault team
37:12
that was actually inside the building at the time that this dude climbed up on
37:16
the roof, and these are the guys you see on the roof shortly after
37:22
checking on him. I heard it was a staging area. I didn't hear
37:29
they were inside the building, but uh, you know, the counter assault
37:32
team was the team like the heavily armored team that once the Secret Surface came
37:42
onto Trump and covered him. They were the like the heavy swat team type
37:45
of guys with assault rifles that that covered encircled the stage and their their job.
37:53
And I've listened to a ton of like military snipers and former Secret Service
38:01
people that have talked about this today. Their job is to literally distract the
38:07
possible assaulter by returning fire covering fire right. It was like a war term
38:14
for it and Trump. They wouldn't have given Trump the the okay to get
38:20
up unless they heard in their headphones target down right. So that's when Trump
38:25
got up, That's when he did his fist bump, and that's when they
38:29
moved him off the stage. But they had eliminated mister crooks before that.
38:35
However, there seems to be one shot that came really late that was like
38:39
a dude, And you gotta wonder, is that the head shot was he
38:44
moving a little bit? I don't know. It's from what I could tell,
38:49
six or seven shots and one return shot from the counter sniper team that
38:57
was just possibly tell me if they could him in one shot, there's no
39:01
way that they could not see him. Well, I don't think it wasn't
39:07
that they couldn't see him, because they, as you know, the roofs
39:12
right, they were kind of what's the word like tepeed angled. I'm gonna
39:19
break it up right here. So this guy was stint was laying down on
39:27
the side to your left or right. I'm not sure which angle this is.
39:31
So he he had a little bit of of cover just from the angle
39:36
of the roof and possibly cover from the trees. So if you see my
39:45
curser, Rob, I believe this here is where that tree and ladder was.
39:57
No, right, Joe, see where the tree is in front of
40:04
the the big tall tree over to your right. Oh okay, yeah,
40:09
that's the roof he was on. Okay, I'm sorry, this is an
40:15
interesting graphic, but uh so, Okay, then yeah, that's a close
40:21
up then of that. Did the tree possibly obstruct the counter sniper team And
40:31
do they have some type of type of like you need they go through trading
40:44
like shoot or don't shoot? You have to see someone with a gun of
40:46
rules of engagement. I'm sorry, well, advanced team. You know,
40:52
it would seem to me if I was on the advanced team, I would
40:54
say, look, you know, this building is fine, but the top
41:00
of that tree needs to come off, Like the top twenty feet of that
41:02
tree needs to come off. We need to see that the entire roof.
41:12
It's it's I mean, it was an advantageous spot for him to be for
41:16
sure, and I think the counter cnyper team was looking a lot further,
41:23
as evidenced by the the guy that kind of had to adjust his his sight
41:31
down a significant amount. Well, I don't know that he I don't even
41:36
know that that was the sight adjustment. I think that was a reaction startling
41:39
yeah, you know, like oh shit, somebody's shooting, yeah, or
41:45
this guy is shooting yeah, because like I said before, I mean,
41:49
according to this guy, they had him dead to rights and the Secret Service
41:52
would not green lights shot. Yeah, I'm see that's the thing. I
41:59
kind of pushed back. I don't know if like, because the local law
42:01
enforcement is the one who was getting tips from the bystanders, they were told
42:07
him there's a guy up there with a rifle, you know, up to
42:10
two minutes before Trump was even shot, at just under two minutes. And
42:16
if these guys are part of the local police, they would have been on
42:21
the right channels to hear all this chatter and you know, said, hey,
42:25
up on this roof, you know, we got supposedly got a guy
42:29
up here, can you see him? And they would have been, you
42:30
know, looking for him, and I think they were. And I think
42:36
that that that move up away from your scope from the that secrets or counter
42:47
sniper team guy that was closest to us, and the image was I gotta
42:54
look back and double confirm what I'm going to shoot at right now, and
43:00
you know, a few shots a few seconds after, you know, the
43:04
guys shot in the head. So I really don't think it's their particular oversight
43:08
or even the people that jumped on Trump. I think it's more the advanced
43:13
team and the executive. Well, let's come back to that video, Joe
43:17
and play the rest of it from where you stopped at where they're actually getting
43:22
Trump inside the car, and we'll take a look at melissam as Carthy,
43:27
okay, and the rest of these bumbling idiots. Yeah, all right,
43:46
hold on one second, one second. Sorry, but oh wow, hold
44:08
on all I refreshed it because it wasn't lowing right and we can fast right
44:22
here. Sorry about that, ladies and jetsam all right, we got Trump
44:50
headed to the car here. Yeah, everyone performing that protective bubble around him.
44:57
Yeah, except for the under five five women. Oh, it doesn't
45:06
go, It doesn't go all the way. We'll get there. But essentially
45:12
the women are are five foot something. Trump is six to three, probably
45:16
pushing three hundred pounds. You know. This lady's on his right shoulder trying
45:23
to hold him up. As as they let him out, she doesn't know
45:27
how to holster her side arm. They're obviously panicking. If people are watching
45:35
this, you've seen the clip, it's it's not great a great look.
45:40
But I will say Secret Service agents got on him really quick. The counter
45:47
sniper team took him out pretty quick. And if you compare that to GfK,
45:53
where Secret Service didn't do anything, and aside from Flint Hill, who
46:00
just tried to save Jackie, it's uh. And this is, you know,
46:04
not really a slight to females in general, because I know we have
46:09
a lot of female viewers, Joe, we do love them, and we
46:15
do we do love them. But there's just some jobs that big, highly
46:25
military trained guys are better are just going to be better at doing than women.
46:35
They just don't have the physical stature or the strength to do certain things.
46:45
And it's not a slight on them because a couple of the women jumped
46:47
on Trump, We're gonna put their bodies in? Did put their bodies in
46:52
in the bullets way, you know, It's it's not a question of of
46:57
courage, it's a question of physicality. And if you have a really tall,
47:02
big guy and you're trying to be able to shield him, right right.
47:07
That's and I saw a funny meme. I don't Game of Thrones,
47:13
you remember that big Lady was Briand of Ptarth. She was the king Guard.
47:17
She was like, I don't watch nerd ship like that. Now she's
47:21
like six' five. She ended up becoming a great like King's Guard.
47:24
Essentially, Secret Service and the Game of Thrones universe, you're gonna have it.
47:28
If you're gonna have a female, have it be like Joe's Orc or
47:32
China, you know, or you know some just they have to be able
47:43
to perform under very stressful situations. And from what I saw, they were
47:50
just bumbling around, like couldn't even host through their weapons, just more in
47:54
the way than anything, and couldn't physically protect the president. They were creating
48:00
a perimeter for the guys that are actually protecting the president to get him into
48:06
the car. And I saw where the head of the Secret Service is a
48:14
female, and before that she was on I think the board of Freedo La
48:20
or PEPSI or something like that, so I had a security or something and
48:25
she's held been on getting forty percent of the Secret Service to be women,
48:30
which you know, I don't think we need affirmative action in government. I
48:37
think it should definitely be like the best of the best, get the job,
48:40
no matter your color, creed or set. Yeah, you know that
48:47
way. Hey, if there is a six foot five women out there that's
48:51
pushing two fifty, that can you know, get in there and slam these
48:54
guys around, more power to her, you know. But you definitely don't
49:00
need five foot three, one hundred and seventy pounds butter balls fumbling around with
49:05
their weapons and not knowing what to do in the heat of the moment.
49:09
It's it's not a good look for sure, rob But thankfully the people that
49:14
mattered, which was the counter sniper team. I guarantee you Putin does not
49:19
have female bodyguards in secrets, in secret service types, I would agree.
49:23
I guarantee you the leader of China doesn't have any women doing that job.
49:29
I'd be hard pressed to find another country that has women in that position.
49:36
This is where woke shit gets you. Maybe maybe England, France or something,
49:44
but who does. We'd have to do more looking into that. But
49:49
you know, in the in the JFK assassination, and of course we're dealing
49:52
with this decades and decades later and what Rob and I put the most benefit
49:59
of hinds twenty Yeah, yeah, and yeah, you know, we're dealing
50:04
with a situation where we don't know exactly what information that's coming out is real.
50:09
But yeah, we can work with all we got so hey much it
50:16
isn't much. But witness statements is something Rob and I put a lot of
50:21
stock into, but specifically early witness statements like Bill Newman right who was on
50:28
near the Grassy Knoll that said he heard bullets flying over his head. He
50:32
was the famous guy that was taken, was shielding his kids on the ground.
50:37
He was later I think shuffled right off to the interview the news station.
50:42
I forgot which one it was and given his exact like and ignored by
50:49
the Warrant commission. Yeah, power of description of what happened. And we
50:54
put more stock in that to someone saying the JFK community who came out twenty
50:59
years after and said something. So that's kind of our thought process on this.
51:05
So that's kind of a good segue into I think if you've been following
51:08
in this situation, you have seen this. This is the BBC witness interview
51:15
of one of the gentlemen who was outside the rally, right, he was
51:22
kind of yes, seamous O'Shaughnessy. That's not his name. It's something Miller
51:30
or Smith. It's something Smith. So and I heard that, I was
51:34
like Smith, of course it's Smith. At least it wasn't Martin. I
51:37
have if only right, And you know I was I kind of like thought
51:45
of him as kind of like the Bill Newman, just because Bill Newman was
51:49
the first person interviewed. This guy obviously didn't have shots fly over his head.
51:53
But I think we're going to take him seriously because of the way he
51:55
looked, right, and like, listen, you're at a Trump rally.
52:00
You're gonna get witnesses that are Trump fans. But one thing I want is,
52:09
at some point the end of the interview, the interviewer asked him,
52:15
so, do you think the Secret Service, like I couldn't see him.
52:17
He's like, honestly, I don't think they could from their angle. That's
52:22
what he said. So it's not like he's just like going on like some
52:29
well he doesn't know he's on the ground. He's just making assumptions, right,
52:32
But I mean in the rally, he was outside where there's where this
52:36
building is, right, So he's near the building, he saw the guy
52:39
on the roof, and he's interviewer asked him, as we'll see, do
52:44
you think the Secret Service could have seen him? He goes, I'm not
52:46
sure, honestly because let him talk Joe TP and the roof type of thing.
52:52
So without further ado, yes them. So, so we had a
53:01
party here all day. You can see behind us at the Greno's parment Greenous
53:06
here. We had a party and we all decided, hey, you know,
53:09
when when we hear Trump up there, we're going to walk up through
53:13
the field, stand by the trees out there under the shade and watched and
53:16
listen to the rally. Right. We couldn't see him, but we could
53:20
hear him. So we walked up and probably five to seven minutes of Trump
53:27
speaking of essamating here. I have no idea, you know, but we
53:31
noticed a guy crawling arming, you know there, crawling up the roof of
53:37
the building beside us, fifty feet away from us. So we're standing there
53:43
and you know, we're pointing. We're pointing at the guy crawling up the
53:45
roof. And he had a rifle. He could clearly see him with a
53:50
rifle. Absolutely, we're pointing at him. The police are down there running
53:54
around on the ground. We're like, hey, man, there's a guy
53:59
on the roof with the right and the police were like, huh what,
54:01
you know, like like they didn't know what was going on. You know,
54:04
We're like, hey, right here on the roof, we can see
54:06
him from right here. We see him, you know, he's crawling.
54:09
And next thing you know, I'm like, I'm thinking to myself, I'm
54:13
like, why is Trump still speaking? Why have they not pulled him off
54:15
the stage. I'm standing there pointing at him for you know, two three
54:20
minutes, Secret Services looking at us from the top of the barn. I'm
54:23
pointing at that roof, just standing him like this, And next thing you
54:29
know, five shots runing out. You almost one hundred percent, And he
54:37
was up there for a couple of minutes. He was up there for a
54:39
couple of minutes, absolutely at least three to four minutes, and he was
54:42
telling the police. We were telling the police we were pointing at him.
54:45
For the Secret Service, who were looking at us from the top of the
54:49
barn, they were looking at us the whole time. When we're just standing
54:51
about that tree. Then these binoculars they see probably not because the roof the
54:55
way to the slow plan. He was behind where they could see. But
55:00
but why is there not secret service on all of these roofs here? I
55:02
mean, this is not a big place. Did you see? I mean,
55:06
obviously everyone when the shooting started, everyone was very panicked. Oh did
55:09
you see what I'm taking in? Oh? Yeah, the blues head off?
55:14
Okay, secret service, blue head off. Okay, just be carefully
55:16
because we don't know. You're pretty sure they shoved the guy absolutely, yep.
55:22
You saw that happen. Yep, yep, Okay, yep. And
55:25
did you see them go up to him afterwards? So they yeah, they
55:30
crawled up on the roof. They had their guns pointed at him, make
55:31
sure he was dead. He was dead, and that was it. It
55:35
was over. It's incredibly shocking. The guy was on the roof right there.
55:38
You can see the white roof right there. You gotta look at him.
55:42
Could you know other than he was in muted dollars tand tight clothing.
55:50
We saw the rifle plinging around as he was trying to crawl. I mean,
55:52
we saw the rifle. I mean, do you know about guns.
55:55
Did you know what kind of what it was? Oh? Absolutely know about
55:58
times for sure? You know? I mean, is a rifle of some
56:00
sort? I wouldn't know, you know, I wasn't close enough to read
56:02
the label on it, but there was a rifle of some sort? Yeah?
56:07
Absolutely? So what do you how do you process what you just see?
56:15
I don't know what to say, man. I'll tell you is you
56:17
know if I if I walked up closer there with anything that can Secret Service
56:23
considered a problem, I wouldn't be standing here talking to you right now.
56:29
But I don't know why a guy who we're standing there point now the police
56:32
and Secret Service is crawling up the roof. Yes, right there by that
56:38
tree. We were outside the security. But my question is there's only a
56:45
few buildings around here. Why is Secret Service not in every building here?
56:50
There's a whole bunch of questions. I think they're gonna come. There's a
56:52
whole bunch of questions. Yeah, yep, all right. Guaranteed Joe,
57:04
that dude is drinking bush light and it's got to dip in. Oh and
57:09
he has definitely been drinking and tailgating. But he is really emphatic about certain
57:19
things and he's like, oh, absolutely, his head was blown off.
57:22
I mean, in my limited ability to do statement analysis and tensions and analysis,
57:28
he didn't try to exaggerate certain things where he could have right, He
57:35
had two or three opportunities where he could have been He was talking about the
57:37
shooter, not Trump, right, right, And that's what we're getting at.
57:43
We're not talking, you know, it's and there's very graphic photos that
57:47
I'd love to show in here, but I don't want to give his band
57:51
so yeah, you could do your own searching, but they're out there.
57:54
But I find him very incredible and I don't know why. I guess it's
58:01
just his way of speaking emphact. I don't care if he has been drinking
58:07
and what other people saw and what the other videos we see are people pointing
58:14
out the guy in the roof a little less than two minutes before the shots
58:17
came. It's corroborated. So that's like my biggest point of believing him.
58:22
Right. And this video was taken at seven to eleven. Okay, the
58:28
shooting happened at six fifteen, so this is less than an hour after the
58:31
shot. The shooting is when this guy was interviewed less than an hour after
58:36
the actual shooting. I don't know what's wrong with the BBC guy. Maybe
58:40
he had jet lag or something and needed a cup of coffee, but he
58:45
didn't seem two into things. He needed some tea. That's a spot of
58:52
tea, please, Sally. But it's I mean, it's fascinating and what
58:58
we do when we analyze the jaf K assassination has really put a lot more
59:01
credence into the early, almost immediate statements as compared to the later statements a
59:07
year later, the warrant commission whatever, because it changes. And one thing
59:13
I wanted to bring up, rob is I heard a couple comments, as
59:16
you know, in Dealey Plaza during the JFK assassination, almost everyone said,
59:23
at first, I thought it was fireworks, right. A lot of people
59:28
said that yes, And I heard a few of those over the past day
59:37
or two and that got me thinking, why does everyone think the first shot
59:44
or two are fireworks? And I think it's psychological because like you don't want
59:49
to admit to yourself, your brain doesn't want to that, oh crap,
59:53
there's something really wrong here. There's you know, bullets flying. I just
1:00:00
my brain initially wants to think it's firecrackers. It's nothing we have more often
1:00:06
than not. You know, people have heard fireworks go off before, but
1:00:10
not everyone has heard rifle shots go off before in close proximity. But yeah,
1:00:17
I think you're right. I think it's it's definitely a brain thing where
1:00:21
you just can't you're not processing things correctly. You know, different sounds.
1:00:28
You can say, oh, I thought it was fireworks at first. You
1:00:30
know, I think that's what it is because it's just consistent over what we
1:00:35
have studied for so long and what happened here in real time. And you
1:00:39
know, you're thinking, today is Monday the fifteenth, This happened two days
1:00:44
ago, right, this is the day that Jack Ruby shot Lee Harvey Oswald,
1:00:49
two days after the JFK assassination. So this is kind of unfolding in
1:00:53
real historic time in front of us, and we're taking a non political objective
1:01:00
type of approach to this, and there's a lot of similarities and there's a
1:01:07
lot more to come out. It's been really hard to kind of tread through
1:01:13
all the bs and the conspiracy theories and the ridiculous ones. You know,
1:01:17
there's one famously in the JFK community where our friend Crystal Mark said, oh
1:01:24
JFK faked his own death by putting the blood thing right near his head and
1:01:30
exploding it. People are saying the same thing here Trump, you know,
1:01:35
stage this, you know, and it's like, you don't stink. If
1:01:38
you want to do that, get shot on the foot or something, or
1:01:42
a hand or the fleshy part of the side. The thoughts a little too
1:01:46
close for comfort there. Yeah, but yeah, people were saying that it
1:01:52
wasn't really a bullet. It was like a blood pack or something that when
1:01:54
he went up like this, he splattered against his head. But I think
1:02:00
it's crazy. We have this picture, Joe, and it's kind of like
1:02:04
from the Pruder film. Well, you can see the bullet. I mean,
1:02:12
look at that. This is the one that went right through his ear
1:02:15
right there. Hmmm, and that is its in flight. It's an absolutely
1:02:22
insane picture. And so I've been listening to a lot of snipers and presidential
1:02:30
security people today and allegedly that is a vapor trail because when it's very humid,
1:02:36
that type of trail will follow the bullet. So they think that's what
1:02:43
that wasn't It wasn't the actual bullet, but it was the vapor trail that
1:02:46
followed closely after the bullet. A lot of former Secret Service people are also
1:02:53
laying this at the feet of the Secret Service and blaming them for this failure,
1:03:01
whether it was directed to be a failure or it was just a limony
1:03:06
snickets series of unfortunate events kind of failure, you know, much like November
1:03:14
twenty second, nineteen sixty three. You know, when we talk about that
1:03:19
case, you know, people are demand, well, there should have been
1:03:21
welding manhole covers down. They should have been nailing down every window in every
1:03:23
high rise building in Dallas there. They didn't do that. So Secret Service
1:03:29
was complicit. But again you have to look at what was realistic. They
1:03:37
couldn't do that in nineteen sixty three in a city like Dallas, when the
1:03:42
president is riding in a motorcade, did the middle of town And it wasn't
1:03:46
even a choice until they were getting ready to leave love Field whether or not
1:03:51
they were going to roll with the bubbletop on or off. Sure, you
1:03:54
know, so realistically they didn't do that in sixty three. You know,
1:04:03
of course they learned a lot of things from the JFK assassination, mostly don't
1:04:10
do motorcades anymore. That's pretty stupid, as are these outdoor rallies. You
1:04:18
know, they should have a distinct perimeter. Like I said, at least
1:04:25
a thousand yards in every direction should be thoroughly searched and patrolled while before,
1:04:32
during, and after these rallies. You know, you can't tell me they
1:04:36
don't have the technology to set up electronic perimeters, heat seeking or heat heat
1:04:45
sensing things, and you know imagery, you know, you throw a drone
1:04:51
up above this place, you know, and keep an eye on what's going
1:04:58
on. I definitely think that the Secret Service is ultimately to blame for this
1:05:06
happening, and I think some heads are going to roll at the Secret Service,
1:05:12
Joe, because of this. Yeah, I think they are already an
1:05:17
now some type of congressional investigation. And I think the heads that will roll
1:05:21
will be the executives the management of the Secret Service, because I really don't
1:05:29
think you could fault the people on the ground, because if you compare it
1:05:33
to JFK, where no one lifted a finger to do anything, and a
1:05:42
lot more than the grouping of shots that were fired today or Saturday, it's
1:05:50
night and day, and you know, I understand the Secret Service definitely had
1:05:55
some oversights here, not doubting that at all. But you know, we
1:06:00
have a JFK assassination podcast. I think it is very night and day of
1:06:03
the people on the ground of what they did. I think, well,
1:06:06
they're only as good as their superiors. You know, it rolls downhill if
1:06:13
the right people in the right positions had orchestrated this protection differently and been in
1:06:19
charge of it. Yeah, so I think they're definitely I agree. And
1:06:30
look at when you compare it to something like this, Joe, all right,
1:06:35
this is a scene from the President Ronald Reagan assassination attempt. Yeah,
1:06:46
this is where they are slamming Hinckley up into the wall. You got bodies
1:06:49
on the ground, people are running around, and then you got bad ass
1:06:58
Secret Service dudes in three piece suits pulling out uzzi's. You know, this
1:07:02
is the shit I'm talking about. This is where we need to go back
1:07:04
to, you know what I mean. They hustled up Reagan and got him
1:07:10
in that car and got the hell out of there. Yeah. And uh,
1:07:19
you know over forty years ago, which is crazy, and this type
1:07:24
of political assassination, especially in the sixties, happened with JFK. Of course
1:07:30
RFK Martin Luther King. And I'm sure there have been legitimate attempts in the
1:07:39
past that have been thwarted by the Secret Service that we just don't know anything
1:07:43
about. Oh yeah, and probably never will, you know. But the
1:07:46
fact that this guy, I don't know what his thought process and planning was,
1:07:53
it just seems awfully odd to me that, of course they're calling him
1:07:57
a loner. And then you see all these videos from school coming out out
1:08:00
and I he was so heavily bullied and this, and that the rifle was
1:08:03
his father's. It wasn't even he didn't even buy it. You know this,
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I don't know. It's It's a whole lot more gonna unfold with this
1:08:14
story as time goes on. Are we gonna with this kid reading, you
1:08:17
know, a catcher in the rye? What has he been? Has he
1:08:24
been m K altered for the past two years? I mean, you know
1:08:27
what's going on here? It just there's just a lot that doesn't make sense
1:08:30
with this. And of course, much like with Lee Harvey Oswald, when
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you have a dead suspect, a lot of these questions fall to the wayside
1:08:39
and never get answered, you know, had they shot his kid in the
1:08:43
kneecaps or in the arm or something and subdued him before he could get a
1:08:48
shot off, we might get some answers. We might have we might have
1:08:54
been able to get some answers, but uh, they were just just a
1:08:59
little too And the fact that you know, a local guy, a local
1:09:05
cop climbed up the ladder and didn't do anything when the guy turned his weapon
1:09:14
on him except retreating down the ladder, that doesn't sit well either. Yeah,
1:09:20
yep. And I believe that was an associated Press report from pretty shortly
1:09:27
after and allegedly that's why he was so rushed to turn back and then shoot
1:09:32
at Trump, and maybe that's why he had missed. Time will tell we
1:09:38
well, like I said, he didn't miss if Trump hadn't turned his head
1:09:41
and that split second, because if you watch that origined their first video again,
1:09:45
Joe, you'll see as soon as Trump turns his head he's shot.
1:09:49
If he hadn't turned his head, he would be dead. Literally. I
1:09:56
agree. And have you seen the video out there with the psychic Oh yeah,
1:10:00
three months ago or four months ago was saying that predicted this thing.
1:10:05
Holy crap, that's like one of those one of the people for the CIA
1:10:12
that do the the remote viewing, Yes, exactly. It reminds me of
1:10:16
that, and that's very interesting. It's a lot it's going to unfold here.
1:10:24
So if you're watching this for the first time, Rob and I go
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live seven pm Eastern every Friday night and talk about a different aspect of the
1:10:32
JFK assassination. Ironically, Rob, we have a guest this Friday, mister
1:10:39
Carmines Avastano, who has investigated quite a few political assassinate right okay, books
1:10:46
and all of them, and that's gonna be very interesting and hopefully some new
1:10:50
stuff comes out. Yep. I think it's gonna be great to get Carmina's
1:10:55
perspective on the recent events and get into some new restar and talk with a
1:11:00
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