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Emmy Award-Winning Trishtan Williams Gets Real About Fame, Motherhood & Running the WNBA's Life in the W · Two Personal with Joy Taylor

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  Speaker 1: There is an extreme value to understanding what everyone's job
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  Speaker 1: on the set is.
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  Speaker 2: I had big projects. My very first show I produced
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  Speaker 2: was America's Next Top Model. So it doesn't get hard.
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  Speaker 3: Formative. A formative show. She's cool.
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  Speaker 1: You know, she won't bug. It's not that big of
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  Speaker 1: a deal. How do you deal with that?
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  Speaker 3: Oh, I'm bugging.
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  Speaker 2: So whatever it is you're doing, be the best at it.
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  Speaker 2: If I'm in this room right now, I'm going to
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  Speaker 2: be the best at that.
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  Speaker 3: Hey, everyone. Welcome to Too Personal. I'm Joy Taylor.
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  Speaker 1: Thanks so much for joining us. Make sure you hit subscribe.
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  Speaker 1: excited to have Tristan Williams. I'm going to call you Trish.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. Here with me on Too Personal. Looking amazing, by
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  Speaker 3: the way. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you for blessing
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  Speaker 3: the studio. Thank you.
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  Speaker 1: This woman is a powerhouse in the industry, and I'm
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  Speaker 1: personally really excited.
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  Speaker 3: To talk to you because.
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  Speaker 1: I love producing and I love production, so I have
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  Speaker 1: a million questions for you. But she is an Emmy-winning
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  Speaker 1: director and showrunner. If you've watched TV in the last
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  Speaker 1: two years, you've seen her work and you've heard of
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  Speaker 1: her work. ESPN's Life in the W right now, where
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  Speaker 1: she is the director, executive producer, and showrunner.
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  Speaker 3: Ting, ting, ting, ting. Ting, ting, ting, ting.
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  Speaker 1: She directed Starting 5 on Netflix, Seasons 1 and 2.
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  Speaker 1: And 2. Created Supergirls, following a legendary dance team out
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  Speaker 1: of Miami's Liberty City.
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  Speaker 3: I lived in Miami for 10 years. I'll say that now.
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  Speaker 3: Went to school there, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Supervising producer on Love is Blind, worked on The Amazing Race,
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  Speaker 1: America's Next Top Model, Warriors of Liberty City with LeBron James,
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  Speaker 1: and she has been running point on the BET Awards
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  Speaker 1: since 2014.
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  Speaker 3: So everywhere.
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  Speaker 1: Forbes, Starz, HBO Max, ESPN, Netflix, Netflix. Trish Williams, welcome
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  Speaker 1: to Too Personal.
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  Speaker 3: Thank you for having me. So before we.
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  Speaker 1: Get into all of the shows and all the juicy stuff,
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  Speaker 1: what made you want to get into production in the
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  Speaker 1: first place?
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  Speaker 2: Initially, I didn't want to be in production. I didn't
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  Speaker 2: know about production, really. I wanted to be a doctor.
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  Speaker 2: But I was always intrigued with the world of just
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  Speaker 2: television shows and how they're made. When I was a
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  Speaker 2: little girl, I used to be like, how is this done? And,
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  Speaker 2: you know, talk to my mom about it. We would
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  Speaker 2: go to live Disney shows and you see the people
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  Speaker 2: moving around in the back.
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  Speaker 3: And she's like, that's the production.
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  Speaker 2: I grew up dancing, modern jazz, tap ballet, hip hop,
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  Speaker 2: Afro Haitian, the Dunham technique. And so when you're in
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  Speaker 2: the entertainment behind the scenes, you're seeing everything that's happening.
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  Speaker 2: It's very fascinating how things come together when you're in
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  Speaker 2: rehearsal and all the things.
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  Speaker 3: And then when it's showtime, it's just gorgeous.
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  Speaker 2: And so, I think it was sparked and it was
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  Speaker 2: a seed planted in me when I was a little girl.
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  Speaker 2: And then naturally, as I got older, when I was
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  Speaker 2: in college, it was like, OK, I'm not about to
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  Speaker 2: be a doctor. What's about to happen? But then it
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  Speaker 2: was like, you know, entertainment. And my personality is so big.
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  Speaker 2: And I think at the time going to school and
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  Speaker 2: I was like, OK, the doctors are a little, you know,
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  Speaker 2: Debbie Downers right now. The personality in the hospital was
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  Speaker 2: so somber.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And I think I needed to start start off just,
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  Speaker 2: you know, being in a bigger space.
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  Speaker 3: That's actually that's. I had a, well, yeah, I had
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  Speaker 3: a kind of a similar path.
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  Speaker 1: Like when I was growing up, I knew I wanted
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  Speaker 1: to like be in front of the camera and I
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  Speaker 1: do like the newscast and the mirror and the whole
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  Speaker 1: thing and played sports and love talking about sports. And
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  Speaker 1: then my freshman year of college, my first semester, I
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  Speaker 1: went to school to study psychology because I wanted to
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  Speaker 1: be a doctor and work in an asylum.
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  Speaker 3: Wow.
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  Speaker 1: Because I saw Gothica with Halle Berry.
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  Speaker 3: Oh my goodness. And I was like, I can make
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  Speaker 3: a difference there. I can do this. What changed you? Well,
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  Speaker 3: instead I decided to become a patient. Not a patient.
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  Speaker 3: So full circle.
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  Speaker 1: But yeah, I talked to one of my professors and
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  Speaker 1: I loved my psychology class, but I talked to my
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  Speaker 1: professor and I was like, Hey, how long is it
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  Speaker 1: really going.
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  Speaker 3: To take before I can be a doctor?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: No, literally. I was like, before I can have my
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  Speaker 3: own practice. And he was like, probably 12 years. And
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  Speaker 3: I was like, yep. No, this isn't going to be
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  Speaker 3: for me. We're going to pivot.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, we're going to pivot. We'll become a patient instead.
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  Speaker 1: I love it.
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  Speaker 3: So then when did you start studying production?
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  Speaker 2: 2005. 2005. Really, really taking it in. I was in
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  Speaker 2: a Becker program at San Francisco State University. And, you know,
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  Speaker 2: you learn about cameras. I talk about this now, just
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  Speaker 2: learning everything, learning all aspects of the business.
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  Speaker 3: That's what makes you great.
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  Speaker 2: And I remember just coming up in a business and
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  Speaker 2: people be like, you know, you should really be asking
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  Speaker 2: for your director's credit. But I didn't think I was
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  Speaker 2: ready for it. And I never want anything that I
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  Speaker 2: don't feel like I'm entitled to. Now, you can't tell
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  Speaker 2: me shit. Every single show I sit on, I'm the director,
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  Speaker 2: the showrunner, and the executive.
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  Speaker 3: Literally, all of it.
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  Speaker 1: I need all of the credits. I need to make
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  Speaker 1: all the decisions. When young women ask you for advice
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  Speaker 1: about getting in the business, and I love that you
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  Speaker 1: said you learned everything because, you know, despite whatever is
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  Speaker 1: on the internet, I went to school for broadcast journalism.
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  Speaker 1: And when I was in school, which was around the
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  Speaker 1: same time as you, you were taught everything. You learned
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  Speaker 1: how to shoot. You learned how to edit. You learned
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  Speaker 1: how to write. You learned how to book guests. Like you,
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  Speaker 1: you learn every running the board. Like you learn every
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  Speaker 1: aspect of the business so that you can decide what
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  Speaker 1: you're going to specialize in.
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  Speaker 3: That's right.
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  Speaker 1: But also, there is an extreme value to understanding what
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  Speaker 1: everyone's job on the set is. It helps you hire better.
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  Speaker 1: It helps you have more empathy when things go wrong.
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  Speaker 1: So I feel really grateful that I learned all that.
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  Speaker 1: But I also started as a producer.
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  Speaker 3: That's right. So now I.
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  Speaker 1: Feel like that's just like you're always producing. It doesn't
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  Speaker 1: matter what your role is.
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  Speaker 3: Your own life. Yes, exactly. Exactly. So what advice do
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  Speaker 3: you give.
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  Speaker 1: Young women when they, or young people, when they ask
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  Speaker 1: you about starting in the business?
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  Speaker 2: I think everybody is in this microwavable world. Everybody wants
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  Speaker 2: the titles. They want to be somebody.
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  Speaker 3: I'm somebody. This is who I am. I'm a boss.
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  Speaker 3: I'm all this.
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  Speaker 2: And it's like, be patient with yourself. This is the
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  Speaker 2: advice I would give. Literally be patient with yourself. embrace
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  Speaker 2: the process, embrace the journey because the journey is actually
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  Speaker 2: who make you in that genetic makeup to be a
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  Speaker 2: better person.
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  Speaker 3: Be patient. Take your time.
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  Speaker 2: Learn every aspect of the business and work your way
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  Speaker 2: through it instead of just trying to jump there.
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  Speaker 3: A lot of people can fake it till they make it.
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  Speaker 2: But at some point, it's going to come to a
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  Speaker 2: point where you really need to know your shit and
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  Speaker 2: people don't know their stuff. And so it's like, don't
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  Speaker 2: worry about the titles and trying to be on the
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  Speaker 2: scene and all the things. Go through the process. Be
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  Speaker 2: patient with yourself because... We're not patient enough. It's like, well,
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  Speaker 2: I got to be somebody. Social media is very stressful
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  Speaker 2: for them.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I do. I do have.
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  Speaker 1: Sympathy for that because the, the social media part of
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  Speaker 1: it did not exist. And our generation was kind of
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  Speaker 1: maybe too much taught that like you need to grind
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  Speaker 1: and you need to work more and like, and there,
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  Speaker 1: there's a balance, but there's also a time in your
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  Speaker 1: career where you do need to do that. And I
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  Speaker 1: feel like there is this idea because of social media
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  Speaker 1: that every step can be skipped. And if you're going
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  Speaker 1: to be excellent and, You can't skip the steps. You
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  Speaker 1: don't want to skip the steps. You want to be excellent.
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  Speaker 1: If you want to be excellent, you're going to go
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  Speaker 1: through every navigation. You want to see things fuck up.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, and fix it. So you can fix it.
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  Speaker 2: And if you haven't gone through the trenches and see
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  Speaker 2: all the possibilities when things go wrong, you don't know
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  Speaker 2: how to put those fires out. And then they get
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  Speaker 2: there and they're like, oh my goodness, I don't know
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  Speaker 2: what's happened. Go through the process.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, the process is definitely important.
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  Speaker 1: So what was your first project where you were like, oh,
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  Speaker 1: I can do this? Because you have to have that
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  Speaker 1: confidence project.
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  Speaker 2: So what was your first project? Well, my projects was
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  Speaker 2: always hard. I had big projects. My very first show
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  Speaker 2: I produced was America's Next Top Model. So it doesn't
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  Speaker 2: get hard.
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  Speaker 3: Formative. A formative show. It doesn't get harder than that.
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  Speaker 2: And when we talk about just knowing the process, back
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  Speaker 2: then you needed to do everything. You did every single department.
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  Speaker 2: You were talking to everybody. Now when you're in production,
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  Speaker 2: you're allocated your one thing and you're just focusing on that.
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  Speaker 3: But we did every single thing. You're writing it out.
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  Speaker 2: You're talking to art, grip, electric, hair, makeup, you know,
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  Speaker 2: the executive story, writing the storyboards.
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  Speaker 3: You're doing everything. It's insane. And so when you can
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  Speaker 3: do projects.
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  Speaker 2: Like that, And then to the amazing race, when you're
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  Speaker 2: moving 180 people across the country in a month, 12 countries, logistically,
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  Speaker 2: nothing gets harder.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, nothing gets harder. No, I can't.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, imagine planning a vacation. Exactly. Exactly. And then
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  Speaker 3: you're doing all that.
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  Speaker 1: And production is just, it's exciting to see sometimes when
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  Speaker 1: you're on a new production, just how many people are
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  Speaker 1: involved in production. I did some extra work on... Love
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  Speaker 1: and Other Drugs, my scene got cut. But it was
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  Speaker 1: such an eye-opening experience for me. It was the first
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  Speaker 1: time being on like a feature film set just to
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  Speaker 1: see how many people are working on these sets. Like
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  Speaker 1: it is no wonder that they cost millions of dollars
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  Speaker 1: because there's so many people. But everybody has a specific
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  Speaker 1: job that they have to do. And there has to
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  Speaker 1: be a really strong leader. So what is your directorial style?
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  Speaker 2: I lead with honey. You get more with honey than vinegar.
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  Speaker 2: So I treat people how I want to be treated.
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  Speaker 2: And like you said earlier, when you know everybody's position,
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  Speaker 2: you have empathy for them. So if something go wrong,
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  Speaker 2: who am I to scream at you because it went
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  Speaker 2: wrong or this didn't come on time and all the things.
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  Speaker 2: We're navigating a lot of things. So you know how
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  Speaker 2: to deal with people. And the better you deal with people,
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  Speaker 2: people want to show up for you. They show up
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  Speaker 2: for work they come loving and they know that like
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  Speaker 2: they're not going to be crucified nobody wants to fuck
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  Speaker 2: up so we have to remember that I think when
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  Speaker 2: you're a leader you have to look at people like
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  Speaker 2: no one wants to do a bad job yeah and
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  Speaker 2: I think we tend to forget that I teach my
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  Speaker 2: son that right now you know some things that you
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  Speaker 2: know that you could do with your eyes closing hand
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  Speaker 2: tied behind your back somebody else can't so you got
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  Speaker 2: to give a little bit more grace. And even though,
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  Speaker 2: and I don't go over budget, but even though we're
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  Speaker 2: dealing with a lot of money, lead with grace. It'll
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  Speaker 2: come back full circle. So that's how I lead.
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  Speaker 1: How do you deal with, because my experience sometimes is
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  Speaker 1: that the kindness is taken advantage of. And being a woman,
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  Speaker 1: there is sort of this like, oh, we're friends thing
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  Speaker 1: or we're equals thing or, oh.
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  Speaker 3: She's cool.
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  Speaker 1: You know, she won't, she won't bug. It's not that
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  Speaker 1: big of a deal. How do you deal with that?
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  Speaker 3: Oh, I'm bugging.
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  Speaker 2: At that phase. And you see it a lot. You
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  Speaker 2: see men try to play you or even some women.
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  Speaker 3: No, honestly, it's everybody. It's everybody. Because like, I'm like,
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  Speaker 3: hold up. I'm cool. I'm cool. But that is not
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  Speaker 3: an invitation for you to be unserious. Exactly. And I
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  Speaker 3: think because I come so graceful.
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  Speaker 2: So if I have to pipe up on you, it's serious.
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  Speaker 3: And then people, they feel it's a hurt. Everybody feeling
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  Speaker 3: some type of way. But you do pipe up. I
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  Speaker 3: can pipe up.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: And that's the worst thing. I'm a Scorpio. So you
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  Speaker 3: don't want me.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah. Yeah. I'm a Capricorn, so I'm the same.
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  Speaker 1: I'm like horns. Don't try me. But they do try you, though.
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  Speaker 3: They try you. They try you. Okay, so this is
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  Speaker 3: my struggle.
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  Speaker 1: With that type of behavior or people taking advantage. I
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  Speaker 1: take it so personal because I.
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  Speaker 3: Care about the crew. I care about staff.
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  Speaker 1: I care about the people that are working with me.
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  Speaker 1: I go out of my way to protect them. And
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  Speaker 1: like when someone takes advantage of that, I.
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  Speaker 3: Take it so personally.
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  Speaker 2: I also should I not take it personally? You shouldn't
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  Speaker 2: take it personal because here's the thing. You just pay
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  Speaker 2: attention to people. You see how they move. You replace them.
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  Speaker 2: That's my whole thing. I'm just going to move you
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  Speaker 2: out the space because there's so many people that want
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  Speaker 2: to work for you. It's so many people that want
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  Speaker 2: to get put on. Yeah, but you know, it's hard
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  Speaker 2: to fire people, girl. Well, here's the thing.
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  Speaker 3: And then they got something to say. They got something
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  Speaker 3: to say.
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  Speaker 2: But if it's in boundaries of being fired, then I
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  Speaker 2: can fire you before I allow you to sit here
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  Speaker 2: and disrespect me because of what you're saying. We're in
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  Speaker 2: a space where it's corporate and all the things. I
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  Speaker 2: have to handle you a certain way because then the lawsuits,
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  Speaker 2: all the things that. So you have to handle it
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  Speaker 2: delicately and, you know, be respectful about it.
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  Speaker 3: But. I definitely pipe up. And it's like, I'm the
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  Speaker 3: last person you want to not be your ally. Yeah. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, it is an interesting space. It's an interesting time.
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  Speaker 1: I think we come from a bit of a more
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  Speaker 1: old school. And there are some things about the old
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  Speaker 1: school that I desperately miss. And obviously there were things
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  Speaker 1: that needed to be corrected. Like people needed to be treated,
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  Speaker 1: treated better. There needed to be more guidelines. There needed
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  Speaker 1: to be more structure. There needed to be more advocates
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  Speaker 1: for people, you know, in those spaces. And I think
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  Speaker 1: we've overcorrected a little bit. You're too sensitive.
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  Speaker 3: It's too sensitive. It's too sensitive. And it's an irrational sensitivity.
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  Speaker 1: Like, work is not supposed to provide your social life,
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  Speaker 1: your sanctuary, your safe space. Like, this is your job,
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  Speaker 1: your religion. Have a life outside of work and then
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  Speaker 1: everything doesn't need to be here.
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  Speaker 2: Everything is convoluted because of social media. So everything is
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  Speaker 2: so untied now. Nothing is isolated in their own compartments.
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  Speaker 2: It's all one gumbo pot.
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  Speaker 1: I can't have gumbo every day. Gumbo is my favorite food,
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  Speaker 1: but I don't want it every day.
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  Speaker 3: Sometimes we need some vegetables and some eggs and stuff.
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  Speaker 1: So When you're working on these projects with these mega,
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  Speaker 1: mega superstars, how do you get.
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  Speaker 3: Them to trust you?
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  Speaker 1: Because it's not like just, you know, focusing on starting
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  Speaker 1: five and life in the W, you know, You're in
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  Speaker 1: these people's homes.
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  Speaker 3: You're around their children, their spouses. You're seeing them in
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  Speaker 3: a vulnerable state.
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  Speaker 1: And it can be hard to even convince people to
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  Speaker 1: do those shows because this is not a place they
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  Speaker 1: usually let anyone in, let alone cameras and crew.
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  Speaker 3: And, you know, the way I get in is I'm
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  Speaker 3: also very vulnerable with them.
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  Speaker 2: Right. So when they see you and you're not just
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  Speaker 2: here moving them like a little pond and I'm trying
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  Speaker 2: to navigate you and tell you what to do. I'm
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  Speaker 2: here with you. I'm a real person. I have a
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  Speaker 2: son too. I'm navigating my own house. And so I'm
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  Speaker 2: going to treat you the way I want somebody to
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  Speaker 2: treat my home if they were to come in here.
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  Speaker 2: And I'm going to talk to you about it. So
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  Speaker 2: before we do all of this and put the cameras,
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  Speaker 2: what do you want to talk about?
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  Speaker 3: I think.
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  Speaker 2: When you approach your talent like we're in this together,
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  Speaker 2: I'm not just telling the story that I want to tell.
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  Speaker 2: I want to tell the story that you want to tell.
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  Speaker 2: And when they realize that you're there, you're advocate for
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  Speaker 2: them and you're not against them, then it's like, OK,
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  Speaker 2: for sure, let's do it. You know, from the Anthony
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  Speaker 2: Edwards to the shake like these are private, private people.
• 15:23
  Speaker 2: They won't know parts of this stuff, but you have
• 15:26
  Speaker 2: to get them comfortable enough to say, hey, who you are,
• 15:29
  Speaker 2: James Harden. What you got going on right now, it
• 15:31
  Speaker 2: is important for people to see that because we are
• 15:33
  Speaker 2: in a new era. We are in a space where
• 15:35
  Speaker 2: everybody's learning more. The superstars, when we were growing up,
• 15:38
  Speaker 2: they were superstars. And if you saw them in a world,
• 15:41
  Speaker 2: you were like, oh my goodness, we didn't have things
• 15:42
  Speaker 2: where we felt connected to their every single piece of
• 15:46
  Speaker 2: their life.
• 15:46
  Speaker 3: And we know all their business. Everything was a secret.
• 15:49
  Speaker 2: So now that we do know these things, it's important
• 15:51
  Speaker 2: for you to take control of your narrative and not
• 15:54
  Speaker 2: let people run with whatever they think it is. And
• 15:56
  Speaker 2: so work with me to do that. And I think
• 15:59
  Speaker 2: I do a good job. I think I'm the queen
• 16:00
  Speaker 2: of talent. Like nobody's better than me.
• 16:03
  Speaker 3: Nobody's better. I love that. I love that. It's because
• 16:05
  Speaker 3: talent is difficult. Talent is difficult.
• 16:08
  Speaker 1: And especially now, I mean, we were joking before we
• 16:12
  Speaker 1: started recording about how everyone's mad at me on the
• 16:14
  Speaker 1: internet all the time.
• 16:16
  Speaker 3: Which like, I don't care.
• 16:20
  Speaker 1: But you have these moments where you become the center
• 16:25
  Speaker 1: of everyone's conversation and you you feel like you need
• 16:29
  Speaker 1: to take control of the narrative and you need to
• 16:32
  Speaker 1: defend yourself. And then sometimes you make it worse. And
• 16:35
  Speaker 1: obviously the media is, you know, not always.
• 16:37
  Speaker 3: Done the best job. Yeah. All things.
• 16:40
  Speaker 1: Um, and fans too, like people can be awful. So
• 16:44
  Speaker 1: I call them Twitter thugs.
• 16:45
  Speaker 3: They're horrible. Yeah. I mean, Twitter's a wasteland.
• 16:49
  Speaker 2: Just that's behind any social device.
• 16:53
  Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean, I, Yeah. People are horrible. And the
• 16:56
  Speaker 3: bots do.
• 16:57
  Speaker 1: But I do understand more and more why people are
• 17:01
  Speaker 1: guarded and why people don't want to participate in, you know,
• 17:06
  Speaker 1: specifically something that isn't, you know, in your home.
• 17:10
  Speaker 2: I tell my younger producers, it's their job to be guarded.
• 17:14
  Speaker 2: It's their team's job to protect them and make sure
• 17:16
  Speaker 2: that they're guarded because of these reasons. It's our job
• 17:19
  Speaker 2: to go in and get them to let their guard
• 17:21
  Speaker 2: down and to get comfortable enough.
• 17:23
  Speaker 3: So you can't get mad. Oh, they didn't want to
• 17:25
  Speaker 3: do this. They were talking about this and all. No, no.
• 17:27
  Speaker 3: It doesn't matter. Get them to get comfortable enough to
• 17:29
  Speaker 3: get there. Be a good person.
• 17:31
  Speaker 2: And so I think just me being a good person
• 17:33
  Speaker 2: and being very sincere, honest, and genuine, people could feel that.
• 17:37
  Speaker 2: And they're like, oh, Trisha ain't no harm. Now I'm
• 17:39
  Speaker 2: everybody's friend. I'm at the birthday parties and all things.
• 17:41
  Speaker 2: Even if it's not like, I'm not like that, like
• 17:43
  Speaker 2: a groupie at all. And I think that was another
• 17:45
  Speaker 2: thing when I was coming up. It was, I want
• 17:47
  Speaker 2: to make sure you're the best in front of the camera.
• 17:50
  Speaker 2: So I'm not here to try to be your friend
• 17:52
  Speaker 2: and all the things. I'm trying to get the job
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: done and make sure this is presented to the world,
• 17:57
  Speaker 2: to the masses in the greatest light. When they realize
• 18:00
  Speaker 2: that that's the intention, so you're not trying to be
• 18:02
  Speaker 2: around and trying to be a groupie or be seen
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: or be in every little photo, then it's a natural thing.
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's important. That is an important, important element
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: and energy. And I don't know that everyone really knows
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: how to do that because it's so.
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: It's so much about who you know and who you're
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: friends with and who you got invited to what party.
• 18:26
  Speaker 3: It's a scene.
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: It's a scene.
• 18:27
  Speaker 3: And it's like, yeah, it's like if you are just
• 18:29
  Speaker 3: there for that. You're there for the wrong reasons. You're
• 18:32
  Speaker 3: there for the wrong reasons. And you're not the star.
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: And you're not the star. It's funny when we were,
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: I used to do BET, like you mentioned. And they
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: used to call me like cool a little bit because
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: all the stars are walking around. So every single second people.
• 18:44
  Speaker 3: Can I have a selfie? Can I have a photo?
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: And I'm like, would y'all just work? Like leave these
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: people alone. The fans are here to do that. You're
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: at work.
• 18:51
  Speaker 3: You're trying to like my behind the scenes. Everybody is
• 18:54
  Speaker 3: a superstar. It's so annoying.
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: It is.
• 18:57
  Speaker 3: And it's like everybody is not talent. You're not talent.
• 19:00
  Speaker 3: You're not talent. And I say that it sounds bitchy. Respectfully.
• 19:04
  Speaker 3: I don't. Trish. Trish said respectfully. I'm being bitchy. You're
• 19:09
  Speaker 3: not talent.
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: No.
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: And if you want to be talent. You're not going
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: to get it by acting like that because it immediately
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: shows that you are censoring yourself in this moment. And
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: it's it's so it's very cringy sometimes. Like when you
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: and I will like check people on set. Like, listen,
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: do not ask for a photo. I don't care how
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: big of a fan you are of this person. Have
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: someone take a BTS photo of you on the set with.
• 19:41
  Speaker 3: This person working. And you can post that on your
• 19:44
  Speaker 3: social six months from now after the show has aired.
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: Do not ask this person for a photo.
• 19:48
  Speaker 3: You are not the talent.
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: No, and it's one of those things, too, when the
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: production is over, of course, everybody take their group photo.
• 19:55
  Speaker 3: That's natural. That's normal. A group photo. Group. Group is
• 20:00
  Speaker 3: the key word.
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: Group.
• 20:02
  Speaker 3: But it's funny. When people are stopping, I'm like, just
• 20:06
  Speaker 3: do the job.
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: I know.
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: It's cringey.
• 20:08
  Speaker 3: I hate it. I hate it. I hate it. I
• 20:11
  Speaker 3: hate it. Cause it's just, it's so, you know what
• 20:13
  Speaker 3: it is? It lacks self-awareness and it lacks, um, it
• 20:16
  Speaker 3: lacks long-term vision. People don't read the room. They don't
• 20:20
  Speaker 3: read the room.
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: Read the room.
• 20:21
  Speaker 3: Read the room. Please. Please read the room. But you
• 20:24
  Speaker 3: know what though?
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: That sets you apart because when you are not there
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: to amplify yourself and you're truly there to, to, I
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: think what it is also, it's like, um, People don't
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: look really at their roles as service anymore.
• 20:41
  Speaker 3: There you go. You hit it on the nose. I
• 20:44
  Speaker 3: love a person.
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: If I go to McDonald's and you are the kindest
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: person and you're going over beyond, I'm going to look
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: at you.
• 20:50
  Speaker 3: I want to tip you. If I go, I mean,
• 20:53
  Speaker 3: wherever I go, I was just at Truxton's.
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: That's one of my favorite places. Just cute lunch. And
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: the server was just the bomb. And I was like,
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: I love that you love your job because we don't
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: love what we do. It's like we're doing things out
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: of motion or, I got to pay my bills. But
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: it's like I always tell my son, you got to
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: appreciate the little apple so he can give you the
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: big apple. So whatever it is you're doing, be the
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: best at it. If I'm in this room right now,
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: I'm going to be the best at that. And that's
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: going to set me up for the next phase. And
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: we don't realize our customer service. I used to work
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: for Nordstrom's when I was in college. Our customer service
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: has gone down the window.
• 21:27
  Speaker 3: It's not a thing. It's like, oh, well, I'm a
• 21:30
  Speaker 3: Lyft driver. I'm this and this and this.
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: And you're mad about it. No, don't be mad about it.
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: And find the positive in it. You get to create
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: your own schedule. You get to stop in the middle
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: of the day and go get your kids. You're making
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: your own money. You cannot be mad about every single
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: thing that's happened in your life because negativity pushes the
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: money away. I don't want nobody energy who fucked up
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: around me.
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: No.
• 21:50
  Speaker 3: Excuse my French. But I don't want it.
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: This is a PG of what we normally do around here. No,
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: I agree because you're not always going to be in
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: the position that you want to be. But it's important
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: to learn at each level. It's what we were talking
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: about earlier about the process because each thing is going
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: to teach you something. I can think of times in
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: my career where I, of course, I was making no
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: money and I did not like the position and I
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: didn't like the people I worked with, but I'm.
• 22:24
  Speaker 3: Like, I have to, it doesn't matter.
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: Like I have to be, I have to get what
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: I can out of this particular chapter. And yes, maybe
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: I deserve to be in a different position than I'm in.
• 22:35
  Speaker 3: Or maybe I've earned something. It doesn't matter.
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: It's going to come when it's supposed to. Relationships, whatever
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: it is. It's like, okay, it didn't work out, but
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: what did I learn from this? What was the why
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: for that moment in that space?
• 22:45
  Speaker 3: What can I be better at? Yes. Or what do
• 22:47
  Speaker 3: I need to leave? Accountability. Looking in the mirror and say, well,
• 22:50
  Speaker 3: what did I do wrong? Or what could I do better?
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: You know?
• 22:54
  Speaker 3: That's how you get better in every aspect of your life.
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and I do think there's so much self-help and
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: there's so much people wanting the, they want like the,
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: what's the secret to a long life?
• 23:07
  Speaker 3: What's the secret to a 40-year relationship? What's the secret
• 23:10
  Speaker 3: to success? What's the secret to becoming Trish? There is
• 23:14
  Speaker 3: no secret. There's no secret.
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: Everything is the process. Everything is the work. There are times,
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: of course, where people skip the line and it works
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: out for them. But why are you fighting to to
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: be the person that's chosen to skip the line because
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: you could be the person that skips the line and
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: it doesn't work out for you and then you can't
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: go backwards.
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: There is no secret to any of it I always
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: say we all are working up waking up every day
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: hustling yeah I don't care how much money you have
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: then you're still waking up hustling for the next thing
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: building the next business whatever your ventures are like we're
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: all hustling trying to do our best there's no secret
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: like and I think that's another thing with social media
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: for me that's why I'm off right now I'll be
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: back on take a break you know, is one of
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: those things that everybody have the answers. We all are
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: the doctors and the therapists and we got all the
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: perfect things to say.
• 24:06
  Speaker 3: And it's like, no, we don't.
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: I say all the time, people don't be listening, but
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: don't do nothing. I do like, do not do anything.
• 24:16
  Speaker 3: I do.
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: It's not going to work out the same for you.
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: Generally speaking, you need to find your own path. And
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: there are just, there are standard things that are obvious. I,
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: have worked around people that are some of the biggest
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: people in the industry. If I did things the way
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: they did them, I would not be successful.
• 24:34
  Speaker 3: That's right. But there were things that they did that
• 24:37
  Speaker 3: I observed. That you can adopt.
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: And I was like, hmm, that actually makes a lot
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: of sense. When I was doing Undisputed with Skip and Shannon,
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: I had to be at the studio at 4 o'clock
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: every morning. Well, that's not very conducive to being out late,
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: you know, and having a social life.
• 24:55
  Speaker 3: So.
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: There will be no social life during the week. I
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: will be in my bed, covers up at 9 p.m.
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: I need some rest.
• 25:03
  Speaker 3: You're a woman. Not like that, but like the bags,
• 25:05
  Speaker 3: the sleeping, all the things. I need to look good.
• 25:08
  Speaker 3: I have to be functioning in the morning mentally. I
• 25:11
  Speaker 3: need to be reading.
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: So I will not drink during the week. Not a
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: single drop of alcohol during the week.
• 25:16
  Speaker 3: That's good for you. Because it messes with your sleep.
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: And when you have to get up that early, your
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: body hasn't processed it yet. 3.20 in the morning, multiple
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: alarm clocks, no going out, no drinking during the week,
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: none of that stuff. In bed at 9 p.m., up
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: at 3.20 every single morning, into the studio. in the
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: room before everyone else or at least before skip before
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: at 4 a.m every every morning for two years like
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: that's a sacrifice that's a sacrifice now was it worth
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: it absolutely yes but skip is a very disciplined person
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: and now he lives his life on east coast time
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: which i've told him many times what yeah i'm up
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: every morning three o'clock i never thought i would meet
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: another person this crazy What do you mean you live
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: your life on the East Coast time?
• 26:04
  Speaker 3: That's when business start. Everything's happening. So I'm tough.
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: You take naps?
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: I try during the day. Little things are when I'm
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: in the car, take my nap and, you know, hop out,
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: get going.
• 26:16
  Speaker 3: You have to.
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: Like you said, if you want to be the greatest,
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: if you want to be the best at whatever it
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: is you're doing, skip it.
• 26:21
  Speaker 3: This is the standard. This is what it is. Yeah,
• 26:24
  Speaker 3: I don't want to be great that bad. Yes, you do.
• 26:26
  Speaker 3: I mean, we here.
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: Yes, you do.
• 26:28
  Speaker 3: I did it for two years. I did it for
• 26:29
  Speaker 3: two years. You got your break.
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly.
• 26:32
  Speaker 3: But here's the thing. You're back on now. The sacrifices
• 26:35
  Speaker 3: and everything you're doing for your show, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, it's, listen,
• 26:38
  Speaker 3: that's crazy, Trisha. Every day. Every day, girl. That's crazy.
• 26:41
  Speaker 3: You want to know why, though?
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: Because even with my son, and I'm going to just
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: pivot us just a little bit, like, I never wanted
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: him to look at me and say she put her
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: career before me. Not for one second. His entire life.
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: He's 17 years old. This is all he knows, the business.
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: And so I'm up early, make sure before the world
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: is calling me going crazy, I done meditated for myself.
• 27:03
  Speaker 3: I got my shower going, cook some breakfast.
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: By the time you up, I can get you going,
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: sit in my meetings, dealing with them on the East
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: Coast time. So in order to not be like, oh,
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: my goodness, just eat some cereal and going about to. No,
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: he every morning, my son eats breakfast. He was going
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: to school with a lunch, coming back with a proper dinner.
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: And if I wasn't in town, his dad, I call
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: him the most valuable dad. He was doing everything, you know?
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: But for the most part, I never sacrificed. Like, and
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: he's going off to college. We've taken him to UC
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: Riverside in three weeks.
• 27:33
  Speaker 3: Oh, congrats. Thank you. I'm like, I feel good about that. Like,
• 27:37
  Speaker 3: I did that.
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: And so if I want to take a break now,
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: all the sacrifice, I can take a break now. But
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: I wasn't, I wasn't like sacrificing his, his spiritual being
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: of like, my mom made me feel second.
• 27:49
  Speaker 3: No, that's very intentional. I love that. Yeah, I don't
• 27:51
  Speaker 3: have no kids and I don't have a husband, so...
• 27:53
  Speaker 3: I don't have a husband. Me and dad not together.
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: Oh, okay.
• 27:56
  Speaker 3: But he's still the most MVD. Most valuable dad. That's good.
• 27:59
  Speaker 3: I couldn't be who I am if it wasn't for him. No,
• 28:01
  Speaker 3: that's very intentional. That's very intentional.
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: And I like that you said that because those are
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: the sacrifices that people don't see. And when people are like, oh,
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: like I have the same 24 hours a day.
• 28:12
  Speaker 3: No, my 24 hours is different. My 24 hours is different.
• 28:15
  Speaker 3: I need more than 24 hours. Now, my 24 hours
• 28:16
  Speaker 3: does not start at 3 in the morning. But it
• 28:18
  Speaker 3: starts early.
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: And it goes late. And it goes through vacation. Like
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: I don't have those vacations where I can turn my
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: phone off.
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: Like those things are not available to me. And I'm
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: okay with that. Like that's the life that I've chosen.
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: But I think that there is a little bit of
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: an idea that you.
• 28:38
  Speaker 3: Can have it all. Like, no, you cannot have it all.
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: You cannot sleep in until 8.30 in the morning, live
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: on the West Coast, work on the East Coast time,
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: have a child that you're trying to raise intentionally, take
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: care of yourself, not be rushed, not be stressed.
• 28:56
  Speaker 3: Work out like.
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: No you have you've got to move you got to
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: move things around you.
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: Got to move this way in order to be great
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: in that department as a mom be great on set
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: be present for everybody like I've I've been everything for
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: everybody so I think I'm also on a transition in
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: my life right now too where my birthday is November
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: I'm turning 40 I'm an empty nester before I turn
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: 40 right and so I'm just like okay I've been
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: great for everybody.
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: There's some big changes coming. Yeah, there's a lot of
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: changes happening. Happy birthday. Thank you.
• 29:26
  Speaker 3: I'm turning 40 in January.
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 29:28
  Speaker 3: I can't wait. Okay.
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: Oh, my God.
• 29:30
  Speaker 3: I didn't know we were the same age.
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 29:32
  Speaker 3: That's good.
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 29:34
  Speaker 3: I mean, the way I'm going to tell people I'm 40,
• 29:36
  Speaker 3: don't play with me. Me too. I'm so excited about it.
• 29:38
  Speaker 3: Because they don't take 39 seriously.
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: They don't take 39 seriously.
• 29:42
  Speaker 3: I'm like, I'm her.
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 29:44
  Speaker 3: I'm grown. They're like, nah, you still a baby. Listen,
• 29:46
  Speaker 3: when I hit 40, I'm 40. Yeah. I'm a man.
• 29:51
  Speaker 3: Don't play with me. I'm 40.
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 29:52
  Speaker 3: Oh my God. I can't wait to say it. I'm
• 29:54
  Speaker 3: so excited. I'm so excited about it. So the W
• 29:58
  Speaker 3: is everywhere right now. And it's spicy.
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: It's prompted a lot of conversations. But I love that
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: this renaissance is happening. Not just for women's sports, but
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: particularly for the WNBA. I think people forget that it
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: is a very young league. And a lot of times
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: it gets compared to other leagues. And it's like it's not... No,
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: it's only 30 years.
• 30:22
  Speaker 3: It's 30 years. It's not a... We're older than the league. Significantly.
• 30:30
  Speaker 3: So it's a lot.
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: And while it's obviously a big responsibility to tell stories
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: from NBA superstars, I imagine it's a bit delicate to
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: do a show like Life in the W with everything
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: that's happening around the league.
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: Well, I think I really believe that I am like
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: a sparkle of gold, energy and magic. Everything that I
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: do in that time is like the thing is like
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: the talk. So for us to like jump into the
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: W during the CBA, it's like you couldn't make that up.
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: So everything that was literally happened off court at home,
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: it was really weaving together perfectly. Like I couldn't have
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: scripted this any better. Like you can write that and
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: be like, I dream for this to be the perfect story.
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: And it was just working, you know, Nafisa on the
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: board and she's dealing with the CBA in real time.
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: And we're filming, you know, Asia is Asia, literally the
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: GOAT in real time. You know, Dawana is the oldest
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: person and the oldest girl in the league. And just
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: it's like, who am I?
• 31:33
  Speaker 3: What am I doing?
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: What's happening next with my kids? All the things that
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: they think about, it was really happening. And so when
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: you're in those moments and one of your players end
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: up winning the championship, uh, all three of them up
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: for MVP together.
• 31:47
  Speaker 3: I mean, uh, um, yeah.
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: MVP together with AT. It was just magic. I was like, God,
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: thank you. You know, you just keep blessing me.
• 31:56
  Speaker 3: I love that.
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: We're getting to see the, the real stories because I,
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: I mean, I've, I've worked in media for almost 20
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: years and what year is it? Yeah.
• 32:09
  Speaker 3: I'm like 20, 26.
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah. So 20 years. Um, And storytelling is just such
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: an important part of the viability of leagues and making
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: people fans of the humans. It can't be stressed enough
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: how valuable that is. I mean, when we were kids,
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: you got attached to a story. Michael Jordan was bigger
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: than just a player. He was aspirational. You had the shoes,
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: be like Mike. There's a storytelling behind these brands. There's
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: a psychological thing. Allen Iverson, it wasn't just that he
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: was just a player. He was a cultural icon. He
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: was a fashion icon. He had this like energy about
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: him that made you a fan of him.
• 33:03
  Speaker 3: Like to the point where we erase reality. We're like,
• 33:07
  Speaker 3: they never lost a game. They never missed a shot.
• 33:10
  Speaker 3: You are the best thing on earth. You can do
• 33:11
  Speaker 3: no wrong. Right. And that storytelling is really important. It's
• 33:16
  Speaker 3: very important. We buy into the person, not the products. Right.
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: And that's what sells the product, you know. Asia, who
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: she is. And she's so funny and so vulnerable and honest.
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: Like we've bought it to her and it make me
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: want to do whatever it is that you're doing and
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: make me want to buy whatever it is that you're selling,
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: you know? And I don't, I don't think people realize
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: being honest and being vulnerable is okay. You know, sometimes
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: we can hold a guard, but when you decide to say, Hey,
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: I'm going to get in front of the camera and
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: this is our job behind the camera to say, look,
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: you can't hold back or pretend because the viewers could
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: feel if you just you know, dancing around the teeter.
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: And so if you're going to do it, just go
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: all the way in, but just know for me behind
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: the scenes, I'm going to protect you too.
• 33:59
  Speaker 3: It's not my job to embarrass you.
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: It's not my job to put things out there.
• 34:03
  Speaker 3: You know, the media do a good job of doing
• 34:05
  Speaker 3: that already. I don't need to do that.
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: I don't need to help them out. I need to
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: tell your story of what you're really feeling and what
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: you're going through. So people can understand you're more than
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: a basketball player. You're more than what they see every day.
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: You're going through everyday life things just like the average person. Yeah,
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: and that relatability of seeing you know, them with their children,
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: them with their partner, them dealing with injuries, them dealing with,
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: you know, the ups and downs of the season, you know,
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: dealing with relationships. All of that brings you into, like, okay,
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: they're like us in these ways.
• 34:41
  Speaker 3: That's right.
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: And then also achieving these unbelievable feats is what we
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: love about sports.
• 34:46
  Speaker 3: It's amazing. Like, that's so important. How do you navigate
• 34:49
  Speaker 3: the real vulnerable moments with the camera? Because.
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: To capture that, like just even the, you know, like
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: Asia talking about the 50-point loss, which is just like,
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: how does that happen?
• 35:04
  Speaker 3: How does that happen? I still was like... Like, what's
• 35:07
  Speaker 3: going on? What are we doing, guys?
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: But I can't imagine, like, the anxiety of her, like,
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: writing the text message and then deleting it. Like, you know,
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: and I'm thinking, like, Asia, you can say whatever the
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: fuck you want to them. Like, you guys just lost
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: by 50. But she's, you know, she's navigating being a
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: leader and she's navigating, you know, wanting to make sure
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: that the team is still budding and all those things.
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: And then, you know, Bam kind of talking to her
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: about it and her getting advice. Like, how do you
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: navigate shooting a scene like that in the moment, like, coming, like,
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: what's the energy? How do you control the crew? You know, nobody, like,
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: knocks a water bottle over.
• 35:44
  Speaker 3: Everybody walking on eggshells. You navigate it.
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: So in the moment, and it's happening, I keep everybody back.
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: And this is when I approach you. Hey, Asia, I
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: know you're not in the mood. Today is not the day.
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: You probably don't want to talk about it, but this
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: is that phase that I talked about when real moments come.
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: We can either lean into it and embrace it, and
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: we be with you as you navigate it and go
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: through it, Or we're going to miss and have some gaps.
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: And now we're trying to tell that story in edit, right?
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: Or through voiceover or sitting in your interview.
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 36:15
  Speaker 3: So what do you want to do about that?
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: And I think I just give them that power instead
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: of trying to push ourselves.
• 36:21
  Speaker 3: OK, this happened. So, you know, it's a different type of.
• 36:24
  Speaker 3: growth there. Some people, they're too young. So they're antsy.
• 36:27
  Speaker 3: I got to get this. This happened. And they're in your,
• 36:29
  Speaker 3: and it's like, you need to relax. Back up.
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: But if you talk to them and you go through
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: the process with them and it's like, I'm giving you
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: the option to say, Trish, I'm not in a fucking mood.
• 36:38
  Speaker 3: I don't want to do this. Or, you're right, Trish.
• 36:41
  Speaker 3: We say we're doing this. Come on. Let's go. Let's
• 36:43
  Speaker 3: do it. And that's how you navigate it.
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: I mean, I really believe in being an advocate with
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: my talent and working through them.
• 36:50
  Speaker 3: We're human.
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: They're human beings. Like, you just fucking lost my 50s.
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: You are not in the mood to have people in
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: your house. You are not in the mood to have
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: people around. You are not in the mood to talk
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: to me. But if I have been so honest and
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: transparent and vulnerable with you the entire time in this moment,
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: you're not going to shut me out.
• 37:07
  Speaker 3: Yeah. You're going to be like, we've been doing this
• 37:09
  Speaker 3: the whole time. Let's keep going.
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: What's what conversation do you have before you start filming
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: that preps for that?
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: Prior to anybody around, you know, when you're in creation
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: and this is the show, this is what we're going
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: to do. I tell everybody, move everybody out the way.
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: The agents, all the VPs, the executives, everybody, let me
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: talk to the talent. And we just sit and have
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: a conversation. I got my notepad. So one, let's just
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: have a normal conversation and just talk like normal human beings.
• 37:38
  Speaker 3: This is what I got going on. I have a kid.
• 37:40
  Speaker 3: You know everything in my life. And so it's kind
• 37:42
  Speaker 3: of like, okay, you get it.
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: And I think also coming up in South Central, And
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: just understanding like, I'm just like you, you know, we're
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: all in spaces that people will never think we will
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: be in. We've navigated our way and worked really hard
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: to be where we are. So I'm just like you.
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: I'm just behind the camera. And I think the camera
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: has done so much wrong to so many people. And
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: I have a track record in a world where I've
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: done so right to people. Then it's automatic that trust there.
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: But then it's like, I want to work through this
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: process with you. I'm not telling you what to do.
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: I'm not trying to push your life around. you know,
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: I know your schedule is crazy. How are we going
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: to go about this? You tell me how you want
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: to go about it. And then I'm going to do
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: my job and work my team around you.
• 38:21
  Speaker 3: And that's how we do it. Yeah.
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: I love that you have that, that time with them and,
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: you know, preparing them for those moments that will inevitably come.
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: What's the, what's the, how does the question, the Q
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: and A go about the drama, right? Because obviously the,
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: In any kind of storytelling, you need a protagonist, you
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: need an antagonist, and you can make things and moments that.
• 38:44
  Speaker 3: You can edit it crazy.
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: You can do a whole bunch of things. But I mean,
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: you also, like, you don't... Everything is not... Like, a
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: moment can be the protagonist. Like, it doesn't have to
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: be a person.
• 38:54
  Speaker 3: That is the villain. That's right. The injury could be
• 38:57
  Speaker 3: the villain. That's right. The weather could be the villain.
• 38:59
  Speaker 3: You understand. Yeah.
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: But....
• 39:03
  Speaker 3: We're on the storytelling side.
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: So like when you're dealing with talent who aren't doing that,
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: they want to know like, okay, how are you going
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: to add that element to this? Because a compelling story
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: has to have those elements.
• 39:15
  Speaker 3: It's exactly that. I tell them, I don't need to
• 39:17
  Speaker 3: dive into drama. Guess what? Your everyday life is consisted
• 39:20
  Speaker 3: of drama.
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: Something's going to happen that we can't foresee right now,
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: but something in this season or in your day, your
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: life is going to happen. That's going to be the drama.
• 39:29
  Speaker 2: I don't need to create drama. I don't need to
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: say this person said this and that is that.
• 39:33
  Speaker 3: Life is drama. It's already here. We sit in it.
• 39:35
  Speaker 3: We wake up. You get a call. Somebody said drama.
• 39:39
  Speaker 3: So just know when a drama come, we're here. Right.
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: And that's how it is. It's like, it's that simple.
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: Like life is full of drama and I'm already here. Now,
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: how we edit that drama and make you look is
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: a whole different story because you can edit it and
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: it could be pure. You can edit it and make
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: it look crazy and make a person say like, you
• 39:58
  Speaker 2: can Franken bite it.
• 39:59
  Speaker 3: And it's like, wait, hold on. I didn't say none
• 40:01
  Speaker 3: of that like that.
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: But that's what it is. It's like our lives are
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: full of drama every day. We wake up and things
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: are happening. You turn on the news. You feel some
• 40:08
  Speaker 2: type of way. Have you ever been in a moment?
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: You're like, why do I feel uneasy? Because something, the
• 40:14
  Speaker 2: algorithm on your social media, or you watch the news
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: and something happening, now you feel uneasy inside.
• 40:20
  Speaker 3: It's drama.
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: The things, just trying to live life, trying to provide,
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: do the thing, like life is full of drama. So
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: when it come, just know it's going to come.
• 40:29
  Speaker 3: We're here. And how we handle it that day, we'll
• 40:31
  Speaker 3: talk about it in that moment. Is the edits... How
• 40:37
  Speaker 3: do I want to ask this? You can ask it.
• 40:41
  Speaker 3: You can be blunt.
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: Well, I don't want to ask like if they have
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: final edit, but like, is there any anxiety from the
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: players once everything is shot?
• 40:49
  Speaker 3: Like, Hey, I didn't really love this moment. A hundred percent. Okay.
• 40:53
  Speaker 3: A hundred percent. It's like, Oh my goodness.
• 40:55
  Speaker 2: I used to want to bother as an example, the
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: stuff with the fever, right? That's really uncomfortable for her.
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: And I don't think people realize how much it impacted her.
• 41:03
  Speaker 2: And you can be on the outside and say, Oh,
• 41:06
  Speaker 2: you're a baby. All the things that the, the, the
• 41:09
  Speaker 2: gangsters behind. But it's like, it's a lot, right? And
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: that's the setup. Dawana, we're going to go through this.
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: You're going to play them this season.
• 41:18
  Speaker 3: Guess what?
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: She played them and sure enough, we were driving in
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: and she goes, I do not want any drama today.
• 41:24
  Speaker 3: She literally was like, I just want it to be
• 41:25
  Speaker 3: a good day. I don't want no beef.
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: I just want to play the game. You know, we
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: both good teams, whoever win, whatever. And sure enough, in
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: real time, Caitlyn says what she say. Now she's like,
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: It was like, all I could.
• 41:40
  Speaker 3: Do was sit there and say, oh, poor Dewan. She
• 41:42
  Speaker 3: literally just said, I don't want this to happen.
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: So nobody wants the smoke. But then when you're in
• 41:47
  Speaker 2: the thick of the fire, now we are war. And
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: so this is the edit.
• 41:54
  Speaker 3: This is the edit. You're living it. You're in it.
• 41:56
  Speaker 3: You know it's going to happen. And to your point
• 41:58
  Speaker 3: of like, well, you need the antagonist. You need the world.
• 42:02
  Speaker 3: The scene is the antagonist right there. It creates itself.
• 42:06
  Speaker 3: It creates itself.
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah. It's exciting to see the process of all of it.
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: Just as a creative, I love the learning about the
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: process of creating these type of shows. And I'm also
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: just like an LA nerd. So I love all of
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: those things. And I love that fans are getting to
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: see these players in that light. And sports has become...
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: Athletes are the new celebrities. They've always been celebrities, but
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: it's so much wider now. It's not just the top
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: two players in every league.
• 42:41
  Speaker 3: There's so many different opportunities for people.
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: Well, look at it because they are creating these platforms
• 42:46
  Speaker 2: for themselves.
• 42:47
  Speaker 3: I can use you as an example.
• 42:49
  Speaker 2: You are on platforms with things and it's so wide
• 42:52
  Speaker 2: now that it gives you the opportunity to be able
• 42:54
  Speaker 2: to do this.
• 42:55
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: So everybody can go and say, I don't have to
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: wait for this network or this person to give me
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: a chance.
• 42:59
  Speaker 3: I'm going to create my chance. I'm going to create
• 43:01
  Speaker 3: my opportunity.
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: And with the women, they look at the stud buds
• 43:04
  Speaker 2: and they've created these spaces for themselves and people are
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: getting to know them. And it's like, oh, I'm following you.
• 43:10
  Speaker 2: I'm not necessarily following the league or following the team.
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: I like you as a person. And so I think
• 43:15
  Speaker 2: that's what's very special. It's also very authentic.
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: And I think in a world where there's so much
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: being fed to us, the AI is a mess. It's exhausting.
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: People really want to see really raw, real things. And
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: the vulnerability, I really struggle with vulnerability.
• 43:34
  Speaker 3: Like I am not.
• 43:35
  Speaker 2: Well, it's a scary thing because you realize that you
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: could be vulnerable and then people turn it against you.
• 43:41
  Speaker 3: Not only they turn it against you.
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: They do not appreciate it. But they ask for it.
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: So it's like, everyone's asking you to be vulnerable. It's
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: not a safe space. I know that it's not a
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: safe space for me to be vulnerable. Yet, if I
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: don't do this, there's not going to be any stickiness.
• 43:57
  Speaker 3: Now you're not relatable. Correct.
• 43:58
  Speaker 2: Now you don't have all the things because you're holding back.
• 44:01
  Speaker 2: And so it's like, what is the line? I just
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: think we need to reward vulnerability more.
• 44:05
  Speaker 3: We should. It's so important. It's important.
• 44:08
  Speaker 2: And it's hard to be in front of the camera
• 44:10
  Speaker 2: and being honest about your life and open it up
• 44:12
  Speaker 2: and telling people your deepest and darkest secrets or people
• 44:15
  Speaker 2: think they know everything about you. Everybody, everybody, and we
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: just live in a world where everybody is in kind.
• 44:21
  Speaker 2: So they are not looking at that and say, that
• 44:23
  Speaker 2: was noble of you or that's very, you know, powerful,
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: the space that you're sitting in. People will actually use
• 44:29
  Speaker 2: your things against you as a crutch.
• 44:32
  Speaker 3: Yeah. And it is crazy.
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: And it just doesn't, it doesn't create an environment where
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: that there's a lot of motivation to be vulnerable. So I,
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: I think it's, really commendable of you that you create
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: these environments for athletes to be vulnerable and then rewarded
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: because not only does it you know it play it
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: pays it forward in the space that more people.
• 44:56
  Speaker 3: Will want to tell their stories but it also is.
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: Is i think it's a good thing for fans as
• 45:02
  Speaker 2: well yeah when i watch you i've been watching you
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: on the shelves right and And even in this space,
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: I'm so happy for you, like genuinely happy for you
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: because to see you have to be like, I have
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: to be this person, but it's okay to be this person.
• 45:16
  Speaker 3: And you're actually really relatable.
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: People probably don't tell you that, but it makes you like,
• 45:21
  Speaker 2: want to be like, okay, I want to follow your
• 45:22
  Speaker 2: world because now I know you, it's not just you
• 45:25
  Speaker 2: in between these guys are in this space of just sports, but.
• 45:27
  Speaker 2: You're learning more about you as a person and what
• 45:29
  Speaker 2: you like, what you don't like. You're not just like
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: in this one little box. So good for you.
• 45:34
  Speaker 3: Thank you. It's been really difficult. None of this is easy. Well,
• 45:38
  Speaker 3: because it's also when you're talking about you.
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: As opposed to talking about someone else, there is this
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: thing where if you say something that someone doesn't like,
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: they feel attacked. And I'm like, I am literally talking
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: about my life. I am not talking about your life.
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: I do not fucking know you.
• 45:56
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 45:57
  Speaker 3: So why would I be talking about your life? I
• 45:59
  Speaker 3: think we get that so confused.
• 46:00
  Speaker 2: It's like, and it's okay for us to be on
• 46:02
  Speaker 2: different sides of whatever the topic is.
• 46:05
  Speaker 3: And this is your perspective. This is my perspective. And
• 46:07
  Speaker 3: move along.
• 46:08
  Speaker 2: Like, I'm not against you. This is just what I
• 46:10
  Speaker 2: think and what I feel. And I don't think we
• 46:12
  Speaker 2: get enough credit in life to let people be individuals.
• 46:15
  Speaker 3: Well.
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: I think it's one thing I do think is, is
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: missed with social media and just the internet in general
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: is conversations with human beings are not conducted the way
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: that they are conducted online. You are not walking up
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: to me and calling me an ugly loser bitch to
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: my face. You're not doing that. No, I know that
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: because I've, I've been called that a trillion times on
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: the internet. It's never happened in person.
• 46:46
  Speaker 3: Right. And it won't. Probably not specifically in America because
• 46:49
  Speaker 3: we got guns here. Right. So it's not going to happen.
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: It's never going to happen. But more importantly, we're friends.
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: We're having a conversation. And you're like, listen, girl, I
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: would never do that. I don't believe in that. As
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: long as what you're talking about is not about my
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: right to exist as a human being.
• 47:08
  Speaker 3: Okay. We're going to disagree on some stuff.
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: And then we'll order our calamari and go about our night.
• 47:17
  Speaker 3: That's how conversations happen.
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: It's part of the reason why I wanted to do
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: a show like this in the first place, because I
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: do feel like conversation is important. is lost and the
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: vulnerability of sharing things and moving past things that you
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: don't agree on is lost.
• 47:33
  Speaker 3: And it's why we're so.
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: Divided because the reality is most human beings live around
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: other human beings that are going through mostly the same
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: financial situation, you're probably not living next to a billionaire
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: if you aren't making $ 100, 000 a year.
• 47:51
  Speaker 3: Period. You're likely not living near someone like that.
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: So the people around you are probably going through the
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: same things that you're going through.
• 47:58
  Speaker 3: They probably have the same type of stresses.
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: They might have the same type of jobs, the same
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: type of family structure.
• 48:04
  Speaker 3: You are around your environment. Your environment creates and dictates
• 48:09
  Speaker 3: your thinking. Correct.
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: So- You might say you hate your neighbor, but you
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: actually probably are way more in common with them than not.
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: And as long as that person doesn't think, again, that
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: you don't deserve to live because of your sex or
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: the color of your skin or your.
• 48:28
  Speaker 3: Sexuality. Okay. Moving on. You prefer a pink house. They
• 48:34
  Speaker 3: like green.
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: Good.
• 48:36
  Speaker 3: I mean, I don't get it. It's crazy. I think
• 48:38
  Speaker 3: it's because we are divided.
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: Like the veil of the internet has created this idea
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: that we are very connected.
• 48:45
  Speaker 3: But the reality is it actually divides us. It divides us.
• 48:47
  Speaker 3: Because it is not authentic.
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: And because people have replaced authentic human interactions with these
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: digital interactions, the technology has sucked the soul out of it.
• 49:01
  Speaker 3: It's such a disconnect.
• 49:02
  Speaker 2: Have you ever like really interact with people online and
• 49:05
  Speaker 2: then you see them in person and they don't know
• 49:06
  Speaker 2: how to interact?
• 49:07
  Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean, all the time. Exactly. It's not real.
• 49:11
  Speaker 2: Everybody's living in these avatars, these created figments of imagination
• 49:16
  Speaker 2: and people and things and lifestyles and worlds and all
• 49:18
  Speaker 2: the things. Yeah.
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 49:20
  Speaker 3: And then you meet them and you be like, you
• 49:22
  Speaker 3: are nothing like... Okay.
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: I mean, most of the time, they don't even look
• 49:26
  Speaker 1: like they don't come out.
• 49:29
  Speaker 3: Okay. They don't. Which is fine. Which is fine. It's okay.
• 49:36
  Speaker 3: Do you. But you do... Sometimes.
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: we're going to see you in real life. So maybe
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: just do like, you know, do like kiss one. You
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: don't have to do kiss, kiss four every time.
• 49:48
  Speaker 3: Cause you don't look like that. But yeah, I do.
• 49:52
  Speaker 3: I do. It does.
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: It hurts me a little bit because it's, I am
• 49:56
  Speaker 1: such a conversationalist and I really enjoy like, Getting to
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: know people.
• 50:01
  Speaker 3: Yeah. And obviously, we can't always be in person.
• 50:04
  Speaker 1: And, like, there are huge benefits to being able to
• 50:06
  Speaker 1: work digitally and all those things. But I do think
• 50:09
  Speaker 1: a big reason why we are so volatile towards each other.
• 50:12
  Speaker 3: And I'm not exempt from this. Like, I'm not going
• 50:13
  Speaker 3: to be a hypocrite. Like, people piss me off.
• 50:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 50:15
  Speaker 3: No, you be going there. I be going there. I
• 50:18
  Speaker 3: get sucked into it for sure. But I....
• 50:22
  Speaker 1: I do hope that there is, you know, and through
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: storytelling specifically, when you start to see the things that,
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: you know, your favorite athlete is doing, or you get
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: introduced to a W player that, you know, you've heard of,
• 50:35
  Speaker 1: but you really don't know much about, even though they're
• 50:38
  Speaker 1: a superstar, like those type of things you're seeing can
• 50:41
  Speaker 1: help reinforce it.
• 50:43
  Speaker 2: My thing with all of it is control the controllables.
• 50:47
  Speaker 2: I control what I can control. I do my part.
• 50:49
  Speaker 2: and everybody else do their part, and those little glimmers
• 50:52
  Speaker 2: in life, it's helping. Even though the masses, and when
• 50:56
  Speaker 2: you look at it, it seems so negative. But there's
• 50:59
  Speaker 2: those moments where you have hope. You'll be like, okay,
• 51:01
  Speaker 2: we're doing good. We're making some legway.
• 51:03
  Speaker 3: What are you working on next? Ooh, Lord.
• 51:07
  Speaker 1: Aside from your break, because you're going to have your
• 51:09
  Speaker 1: birthday and your empty nest.
• 51:11
  Speaker 2: Yes, I actually have the Tristan Lee show coming up
• 51:14
  Speaker 2: next year.
• 51:15
  Speaker 3: Amazing. Yes, so that's going to be pretty, pretty exciting. Pretty,
• 51:18
  Speaker 3: pretty popping.
• 51:19
  Speaker 2: And I'm excited about that because I've gained such a
• 51:21
  Speaker 2: relationship with so many people that my couch, just like yours,
• 51:25
  Speaker 2: is just going to be amazing. And just getting people
• 51:28
  Speaker 2: to sit in those spaces and being vulnerable, but just
• 51:31
  Speaker 2: in a different space and not on the show.
• 51:32
  Speaker 3: Amazing.
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 51:33
  Speaker 3: That's going to be really fun. And what else do
• 51:35
  Speaker 3: you have coming up?
• 51:36
  Speaker 2: When it comes to the shows, I can't speak about
• 51:38
  Speaker 2: them in terms of like, you know.
• 51:41
  Speaker 3: We'll find out soon enough. Is this season two?
• 51:43
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 51:44
  Speaker 3: What's the new project coming up here?
• 51:46
  Speaker 2: You know, but one thing I will talk about, another one,
• 51:48
  Speaker 2: We The Munchies, that one's with Ice Cube and Max Sean.
• 51:51
  Speaker 2: He's out of the Bay Area. So that one's going
• 51:53
  Speaker 2: to be a fun show. And I'm excited about that
• 51:55
  Speaker 2: one because it's lighthearted.
• 51:56
  Speaker 3: It's the guys. They're on a tour bus.
• 51:59
  Speaker 2: They pulling up to different weed shops, picking out weed,
• 52:01
  Speaker 2: but also learning, like you're not just some hood smoking
• 52:05
  Speaker 2: weed is more so learning the effects of how we can,
• 52:08
  Speaker 2: you know, help you sleep better or, you know, you
• 52:11
  Speaker 2: can use the CBD to do this and do that.
• 52:13
  Speaker 2: So it's going to be really, really fun and probably
• 52:15
  Speaker 2: pulling up to Martha Stewart and Snoop Dogg and all
• 52:18
  Speaker 2: the fun things.
• 52:18
  Speaker 3: So that's going to be a fun show. Martha. We
• 52:21
  Speaker 3: love Martha. We love Martha. What an incredible documentary. I know.
• 52:25
  Speaker 3: I love her. I, That's a whole nother story.
• 52:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 52:27
  Speaker 2: I loved her before, but then I was like, oh,
• 52:29
  Speaker 2: she's a vulnerability, right? Getting back to like, this is
• 52:33
  Speaker 2: why we love you. This is why you're likable. I
• 52:35
  Speaker 2: do have another project called Portalize. It's about the portal process,
• 52:38
  Speaker 2: you know, in just the college spacing. And, you know,
• 52:42
  Speaker 2: that's going to be massive coming out next year. Well,
• 52:44
  Speaker 2: we'll start filming next year with Adam Wilson as my co-producer.
• 52:49
  Speaker 3: Amazing.
• 52:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 52:50
  Speaker 3: Lots of projects. A lot of projects. Very busy.
• 52:53
  Speaker 1: Are you going to do something fun for your birthday?
• 52:55
  Speaker 1: I'm going to have the biggest party ever here in LA.
• 52:57
  Speaker 3: I'll invite you. Thank you. Thank you. How exciting.
• 53:00
  Speaker 1: Good.
• 53:01
  Speaker 3: You have to celebrate yourself.
• 53:02
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 53:02
  Speaker 3: You too. I'm going to have a party. I'm going
• 53:04
  Speaker 3: to have a party. January what? January 17th.
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: 17th.
• 53:06
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Miami. You're invited also. Okay. Well, I just slipped,
• 53:10
  Speaker 3: but yeah.
• 53:10
  Speaker 1: We're going to do it in Miami. Miami is like
• 53:13
  Speaker 1: where it's like my second home.
• 53:16
  Speaker 3: Me too. Yeah. I feel like I got the key
• 53:18
  Speaker 3: to Miami.
• 53:19
  Speaker 1: Oh, really?
• 53:20
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Oh, we're going to be outside then. We're going
• 53:22
  Speaker 3: to be outside. So she's, you're back on social. I'm
• 53:25
  Speaker 3: back on social.
• 53:26
  Speaker 1: Follow at Tristan, Tristan, Tristan W.
• 53:32
  Speaker 3: I'm going to spell it.
• 53:33
  Speaker 1: T-R-I-S-H-T-A-N-W. I'm so proud of you. Thank you.
• 53:39
  Speaker 3: I am. Thank you.
• 53:41
  Speaker 1: I'm just in awe of everything that you've accomplished and
• 53:45
  Speaker 1: you deserve all the flowers.
• 53:47
  Speaker 2: Thank you.
• 53:47
  Speaker 3: And I'm excited for your next projects and for your show.
• 53:51
  Speaker 1: And yeah, I mean, seeing a woman in those spaces,
• 53:56
  Speaker 1: even though sometimes for us, it can feel a bit
• 53:58
  Speaker 1: normal because we're here, it's still really important. And to
• 54:02
  Speaker 1: get the trust of those type of stars is not
• 54:04
  Speaker 1: an easy thing to do. So executive producer, director, showrunner,
• 54:10
  Speaker 1: award winning, really just an amazing career.
• 54:13
  Speaker 3: And I Can't wait to see what you do next.
• 54:15
  Speaker 3: I adore you. Thank you. Thank you. Thanks for coming
• 54:17
  Speaker 3: by Too Personal.