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Episode #228: 25-Point Plan to Prevent & Reverse Parkinson’s and Other Neurological Diseases · Beyond Labels Premium

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SPEAKER_00: The Parkinson's plan was actually written by two neurologists.
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SPEAKER_00: They are not fringe researchers.
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SPEAKER_01: So somebody that takes a more holistic approach like this, chances are they're gonna they're gonna connect some dots.
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SPEAKER_00: Their message is clear that Parkinson's is not a mystery.
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SPEAKER_00: It's not bad luck, it's not even primarily from genetics.
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SPEAKER_00: They say that Parkinson's is a biological process that's shaped by your modern environment and that it's actually preventable.
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SPEAKER_01: Hi everybody, welcome to another Beyond Labels podcast with Farmer Joel Salatin.
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SPEAKER_01: That would be me and our favorite researcher, Dr.
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SPEAKER_01: Cena McCullough.
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SPEAKER_01: And today, uh Cena has just finished a book, not writing it but reading it, the called The Parkinson's Plan.
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SPEAKER_01: Parkinson's is probably one of the most um it it's a dreaded thing uh because it just I mean I I know a lady in our church has it, and it's just it breaks your heart to see her every week, you know, um just gradually going down.
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SPEAKER_01: It's a it's a terrible thing.
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SPEAKER_01: It's uh it's become a you know a major issue uh in recent years.
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SPEAKER_01: And so um so we're gonna dig into that, and and and and this includes a lot of neurological uh issues that are related that are the same kind of thing uh to Parkinson.
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SPEAKER_01: So, Cena, uh lead us off here.
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SPEAKER_00: Great, thanks, Joel.
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SPEAKER_00: Okay, so what if the first signs of a neurological disease didn't look neurological at all?
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SPEAKER_00: So, what if the early warning signs weren't like tremors or memory loss or even the a diagnosis, the label of the disease?
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SPEAKER_00: But it was things that most of us brush off as kind of like just normal life, like things that might just happen when you start aging, like constipation or loss of smell or anxiety, sleep disturbances, subtle mood changes, brain fog, fatigue, or you're just kind of feeling like something's off.
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SPEAKER_00: Those symptoms are rarely linked early on to conditions like Parkinson's, Alzheimer's, you know, MS, Tourette's, um, other neurological disorders, but they're usually just chalked up as like stress, right?
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SPEAKER_00: Aging, hormone changes, you have a busy schedule, you're just overwhelmed.
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SPEAKER_00: They're actually early warning signs.
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SPEAKER_00: They're like breadcrumbs that the body drops long before the diagnosis appears.
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SPEAKER_00: And what's great is that our culture is finally starting to listen.
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SPEAKER_00: They're finally starting to realize that this model of disease that we have in Western culture is wrong.
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SPEAKER_00: And I was very excited to learn that this book, The Parkinson's Plan, is trying to actually break that model apart.
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SPEAKER_00: Like this was really, really shocking to me.
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SPEAKER_00: So let's start off with this statistic.
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SPEAKER_00: Parkinson's is actually now the fastest growing neurological condition in the world.
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SPEAKER_00: In 1990, there were 2.6 million people that were diagnosed with it globally.
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SPEAKER_00: And by 2021, there were 11.8 million people.
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SPEAKER_00: It's the 14th leading cause of death in America.
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SPEAKER_00: And when I say Parkinson's, I don't want people to say, oh, okay, well, I don't know anybody like that.
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SPEAKER_00: I don't have that.
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SPEAKER_00: So this episode doesn't, you know, apply to me.
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SPEAKER_00: But here's the thing, and we're going to spell this out throughout this episode.
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SPEAKER_00: This book isn't just about Parkinson's, it's about all neurological conditions that are related to either the brain or the spinal cord or nerves.
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SPEAKER_00: So we're talking Alzheimer's, we're talking dementia, ADHD, autism spectrum, MS, epilepsy, peripheral, peripheral neuropathy, Tourette's, Guillaume Baret syndrome.
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SPEAKER_00: I mean, the list goes on and on.
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SPEAKER_00: All of these conditions fall into this category that we're talking about of neurological issues.
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SPEAKER_00: They are labeled as different conditions, and some of them may have some different symptoms.
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SPEAKER_00: But this book is proof that neurologists are beginning to ask what was once an unthinkable question.
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SPEAKER_00: And that is, why are so many of us struggling with brain issues at the same time?
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SPEAKER_00: Could all of these different diseases be related?
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SPEAKER_00: Right.
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SPEAKER_00: And you can already tell, Joel, why I love this book so much because this is what I talk about.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: All related.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: We want to compartmentalize everything.
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SPEAKER_01: And so we don't, so we don't connect the dots.
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SPEAKER_01: And then and then we don't we don't come to solutions because we don't have the dots connected.
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SPEAKER_01: So somebody that takes a more holistic approach like this, chances are they're gonna they're gonna connect some dots and be a help help for it.
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SPEAKER_00: Exactly, exactly.
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SPEAKER_00: And so I want to uh unpack some of what they have connected as causes of these neurological conditions.
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SPEAKER_00: And then I want to save time because they have a 25-point plan to help people to lower your risk of getting one of these neurological conditions and potentially reverse it if you already have one.
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SPEAKER_00: Okay.
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SPEAKER_00: So one of the things off the bat that was surprising to me is that the Parkinson's plan was actually written by two neurologists, um, Dr.
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SPEAKER_00: Ray Dorsey and Dr.
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SPEAKER_00: Michael Umkun.
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SPEAKER_00: They are not fringe researchers, these are mainstream researchers.
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SPEAKER_00: They're two of the most published, most cited, and most respected neurologists in the world.
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SPEAKER_00: They have um helped tens of thousands of patients and they've trained hundreds of doctors.
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SPEAKER_00: So, not foo foo fringe, you know, doctors.
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SPEAKER_00: They are mainstream.
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SPEAKER_00: Their message is clear that Parkinson's is not a mystery.
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SPEAKER_00: It's not bad luck, it's not even primarily from genetics.
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SPEAKER_00: Instead, they say that Parkinson's is a biological process that's shaped by your modern environment and that it's actually preventable.
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SPEAKER_00: Okay, so for decades, the I mean, my entire life, the story of Parkinson's has been this it's an inevitable consequence of aging, it's driven by your genes, and there's very little that we can do besides managing symptoms, but you basically need to brace for a decline.
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SPEAKER_00: And the authors say very plainly that story is wrong.
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SPEAKER_00: So, number one, younger people are getting diagnosed with it.
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SPEAKER_00: Okay, it's not an disease of the elderly people anymore.
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SPEAKER_00: Number two, and I think this will shock many people.
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SPEAKER_00: 87% of people with Parkinson's, okay, 87% of the people with Parkinson's have no family history and no genetic cause.
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SPEAKER_00: So they don't have any of the Parkinson's genes that have been identified.
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SPEAKER_00: That means only 13% of people with Parkinson's have a genetic mutation.
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SPEAKER_00: Okay, so that totally throws the genetic theory out the window.
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SPEAKER_00: And even among the most well-known Parkinson's related genes, it's they're saying that gene is not your destiny.
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SPEAKER_00: For example, one of the most well-known Parkinson's disease uh related genes is LRRK2.
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SPEAKER_00: Only about 30% of people who have that mutation ever develop the disease.
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SPEAKER_00: 30%.
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SPEAKER_00: The second most common gene is the GBA mutation.
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SPEAKER_00: Only about 10% of people with that mutation ever develop the disease.
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SPEAKER_00: So it's not genetic.
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SPEAKER_00: Like all of this research, all this money has been poured into the genes.
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SPEAKER_00: And how can we change the gene?
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SPEAKER_00: And how you know, how do we suppress it or whatever?
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SPEAKER_00: And it's not genetic.
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SPEAKER_00: They're looking in the wrong place.
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SPEAKER_00: That's the first thing.
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SPEAKER_00: One of the first things these authors dispel is you have to change your if they even say that in here.
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SPEAKER_00: We have to change our thinking.
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SPEAKER_00: Oh my Joel, you would love these men.
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SPEAKER_00: Like, I was like, oh my gosh, I want to meet them because they're saying stop looking at the old things.
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SPEAKER_00: Okay, so it's not, it's not in the elderly only, and it's not genetic.
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SPEAKER_00: So then they ask the next log, next logical question what in our environment is changing then that's affecting all of these brains so badly.
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SPEAKER_00: Right.
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SPEAKER_00: And they said that it's environmental chemicals, quote, chemicals in our food, water, and air have created this largely man-made disease.
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SPEAKER_00: These chemicals are all around us, and none are necessary.
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SPEAKER_00: That is a direct quote from them.
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SPEAKER_00: So, once again, this is a man-made condition.
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SPEAKER_00: So if you are saying that, usually you need evidence that it's created in more of an industrial nation, right?
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SPEAKER_00: They have it.
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SPEAKER_00: So, this is the great thing about everything I'm going to present to you today, this evidence of what causes it, and then how to, you know, help yourself lower your risk.
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SPEAKER_00: It all comes from decades of epidemiological studies, occupational research, animal models, and mechanistic lab work.
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SPEAKER_00: So it's not their opinion.
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SPEAKER_00: This thing is highly referenced, okay?
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SPEAKER_00: What they showed is that Parkinson's rates are five times higher in industrial nations compared to parts of the um sub-Saharan Africa.
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SPEAKER_00: So five times higher in industrial nations.
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SPEAKER_00: Parkinson's is rising the fastest in countries that undergo rapid industrialization.
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SPEAKER_00: And for example, China, their prevalence has more than doubled in just one generation.
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SPEAKER_00: Okay.
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SPEAKER_00: The hopeful thing is they are saying, their bottom line is for most people, the disease is preventable and the suffering is avoidable.
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SPEAKER_00: Okay.
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SPEAKER_00: So as we talk through these things, know that there is hope.
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SPEAKER_00: And these authors are very hopeful.
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SPEAKER_00: They are saying that they think Parkinson's is just the canary in the coal mine because Parkinson's itself is tied to loss of neurons that produce dopamine.
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SPEAKER_00: And those neurons are very vulnerable to environmental toxins, particularly toxins that can damage the mitochondria.
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SPEAKER_00: So what they're saying is Parkinson's is a wake-up call and that we need to listen because it's rising faster than any other neurological condition.
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SPEAKER_00: But basically, it's because it's signaling something bigger.
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SPEAKER_00: It's signaling this message to us that our modern environment is quietly eroding our brain resilience.
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SPEAKER_00: And we need to be thinking of what's going to happen beneath the surface with other neurological conditions that are more resilient, right?
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SPEAKER_00: So, so in other words, this is just tip of the iceberg.
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SPEAKER_00: It's tip of the iceberg, is what the is what they're saying.
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SPEAKER_00: Um, so one thing that I thought was really interesting is that when we talk about Parkinson's or these other neurological conditions, even ADHD, we talk about how they're in the brain, right?
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SPEAKER_00: This is a condition that happens in the brain.
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SPEAKER_00: What they're saying is it doesn't actually start in the brain at all.
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SPEAKER_00: Which to do that, you have to already be open-minded enough to think that a dis-ease or one of these conditions can be systemic.
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SPEAKER_00: Okay.
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SPEAKER_00: That's what we talk about a lot.
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SPEAKER_00: These are actually systemic conditions.
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SPEAKER_00: So they've described, and this is backed by literature, two routes that Parkinson's may actually begin with.
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SPEAKER_00: So, so what they're trying to figure out here is the etiology.
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SPEAKER_00: How does Parkinson's actually start?
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SPEAKER_00: Okay.
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SPEAKER_00: And they're saying the first route is actually through your nose, that there's airborne like toxins and like industrial solvents.
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SPEAKER_00: Those can enter through the nasal cavity and they travel along your olfactory nerve, you know, where you smell.
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SPEAKER_00: And it has a direct connection to the brain.
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SPEAKER_00: It can actually bypass the blood brain barrier.
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SPEAKER_00: This entry point may explain why a very early sign of Parkinson's is commonly loss of smell, right?
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SPEAKER_00: It has a direct route to your olfactory nerve.
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SPEAKER_00: The second origin, the entry point for Parkinson's, which again, I'm I hope that I'm not just glossing over that.
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SPEAKER_00: I'm hope you're getting the impact of what they're presenting in this book, which is a main, it's out there in mainstream, because our current like accepted belief in this culture is that it starts in the brain.
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SPEAKER_00: There's some kind of genetic defect that causes some misfolding of proteins, for example, and that happens in the brain.
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SPEAKER_00: It's the same story with Alzheimer's.
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SPEAKER_00: Okay.
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SPEAKER_00: They are saying this is completely wrong.
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SPEAKER_00: That the Parkinson's, in essence, enters the body.
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SPEAKER_00: So it's not the body having a defect, right?
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SPEAKER_00: It's not the body messing up, it's actually your body protecting you from these toxins that are entering the body in two ways: one through the nose, the second one through the gut.
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SPEAKER_00: So toxins that are consumed in food or water have been shown to be able to disrupt the gut environment.
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SPEAKER_00: You know, leaky gut, dysbiosis, for example.
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SPEAKER_00: And that can trigger misfolding in your gastrointestinal tract of a protein that's called um alpha senuclein.
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SPEAKER_00: That misfolded protein is a hallmark of Parkinson's.
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SPEAKER_00: And they're saying that can actually happen in the gastrointestinal tract, and then it travels up to your brain by your vagus nerve, which is your communication superhighway between your gut and your brain, right?
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SPEAKER_00: That pathway helps to explain why another early symptom of neurological conditions is digestive issues.
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SPEAKER_00: And I'm sure people have heard of this too, like with autism, for example, they often have digestive issues.
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SPEAKER_00: This may explain in part that condition as well.
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SPEAKER_00: And the fact that that it those misfolded proteins travel along the vagus nerve, for our audience that has heard us talk a lot about a root cause being stress, that should ring a bell to you, the vagus nerve, right?
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SPEAKER_00: That gives you a pathway there under which stress can actually amplify the negative consequences of these toxins that are being consumed.
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SPEAKER_00: Okay, but for right now, so stay with me on this path of thinking.
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SPEAKER_00: For right now, there's two different entry points, nose and gut, one disease process.
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SPEAKER_00: Okay.
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SPEAKER_01: So so are you are you thinking of it, just to clarify, are you thinking of it that this are they presenting this that Parkinson's is is something that that invades as opposed to something that comes internally.
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SPEAKER_00: You mean that that starts internally?
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yes.
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SPEAKER_00: So yes, uh the the idea is Parkinson's begins where your body interfaces with the modern world, right?
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SPEAKER_00: Through breathing and through ingesting.
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SPEAKER_00: Yes, that it's something you get from external.
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SPEAKER_01: Wow.
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SPEAKER_01: Right?
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SPEAKER_01: It's invasive rather than something endemic within your head that quits working.
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SPEAKER_00: That's exactly right.
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SPEAKER_00: That's exactly right.
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SPEAKER_01: That's a that's a that's a major, major shift in thinking.
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SPEAKER_00: Yes, I know I got goosebumps.
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SPEAKER_00: Like, yay, yeah, it's a huge shift in thinking, and it's what the rest of us have been talking about that like the body has this resiliency.
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SPEAKER_00: And so when it's building these plaques, for instance, even in um atherosclerosis, when it's building these plaques, that's not um that's a protective mechanism.
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SPEAKER_00: That's the body trying to protect you.
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SPEAKER_00: Tumors, tumors are like garbage cans.
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SPEAKER_00: It's they're trying to get the toxins and put them in the garbage cans and protect you so it doesn't come from within, except for of course, you know, these are nuances, okay, but except for like your internal thoughts, right?
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SPEAKER_00: The beliefs, the stress that you're holding.
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SPEAKER_00: That's a whole nother, but we're talking about the physical level.
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SPEAKER_00: On the physical level, this is stuff that's coming, toxins from the outside that are coming in.
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SPEAKER_00: Okay, now let's roll with this.
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SPEAKER_00: Before I mention what these toxins are, let's keep going with this line of thinking.
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SPEAKER_00: Uh, so we're all on the same page.
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SPEAKER_00: Um, they talk about there's a well-kept secret in the world of Parkinson's, and I hadn't heard this either.
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SPEAKER_00: That when you look upon autopsy at a person's brain that had Parkinson's, they usually contain more than one labeled disease.
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SPEAKER_00: 50 to 80 percent of the brains show what's called a mixed pathology or copathology, which means they have markers of Parkinson's proteins, like misfolded proteins, and also usually um proteins misfolded associated with Alzheimer's.
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SPEAKER_00: So, what this means is it's dismantling a foundational assumption of modern medicine, which is that these neurological diseases are isolated problems with an isolated cause.
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SPEAKER_00: So this protein is misfolding in this area of the brain, and that's the disease, and that's what you have.
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SPEAKER_00: Instead, what we're actually seeing on autopsy is there's there's an overlap of these conditions, which means it blurs the lines of the labels now, you right?
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SPEAKER_00: There's not these distinct labels.
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SPEAKER_00: Um, and that's huge.
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SPEAKER_00: And that's why it's a beta a secret.
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SPEAKER_00: The whole model falls apart.
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SPEAKER_00: If there, if you can't label it, well, you have to label things to get the insurance to cover it, right?
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SPEAKER_00: To get the right in code to send to the insurance company.
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SPEAKER_00: You have to label it to get the right diagnosis so you can give them the right drug.
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SPEAKER_00: The drugs are designed to target a specific protein, for example, for the specific disease.
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SPEAKER_00: So the whole system starts to unravel once you understand that these are not in isolation, these are overlapping conditions.
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SPEAKER_00: Okay.
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SPEAKER_00: It it also tells you that um it is systemic and it's a continuum.
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SPEAKER_00: So we need to stop labeling ourselves with, oh, I have um ADHD or I have Alzheimer's or I have cognitive decline or MS, right?
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SPEAKER_00: You're falling into that trap of it's this one thing, there's only this one solution, you know.
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SPEAKER_00: That's not actually true.
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SPEAKER_00: So let's broaden our minds and understand that the that foundational assumption is wrong.
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SPEAKER_00: Now, um, one of the other things that it talks about, and this is a hard one for people to understand because it doesn't sound that intuitive, is that um you can be exposed 10, 20, 30, 40 years before you actually present with a diagnosable disease.
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SPEAKER_00: Okay.
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SPEAKER_00: This is where you lose a lot of people because you can't like you don't see the cause and effect.
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SPEAKER_00: It's not like, oh, I was exposed to that toxin.
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SPEAKER_00: Now I feel super sick, and you know, some obvious cause and effect.
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SPEAKER_00: But the literature shows that that is how that that is actually true.
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SPEAKER_00: And I don't know, Joel, do you want to do we want to go into that a little bit of how that happens?
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SPEAKER_01: Uh yeah, that's fine.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it sounds good.
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SPEAKER_00: Okay, because I think it's really important for people to understand that because the whole point of one of the big points of this book is to say that this is man-made and it's preventable.
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SPEAKER_00: So the only way you can get somebody to take action is for them to realize that most of us in this industrial culture that we live in are slowly brewing some of these conditions, right?
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SPEAKER_00: That's why I started out by giving you some examples of um what we'd call symptoms that are often not connected, like brain fog, anxiety, difficulty sleeping, mood changes, constipation.
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SPEAKER_00: These are all early warning signs, but we have this ability, almost this cognitive dissidence, you know, this ability to disconnect.
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SPEAKER_00: Oh, it's just that, it's just that, it's just that.
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SPEAKER_00: It's not stopping me from doing what I need to do, what I want to do every day.
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SPEAKER_00: So I'm just gonna keep on going.
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SPEAKER_00: But I want you to understand what's what could be brewing underneath because it's always easier to reverse these things the sooner you start.
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SPEAKER_00: Okay.
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SPEAKER_00: So let's imagine there's a house that has this slow leaking roof.
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SPEAKER_00: There's no like smoke alarm going off, the walls aren't collapsing.
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SPEAKER_00: For years, everything looks totally fine.
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SPEAKER_00: And then one day the ceiling just caves in.
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SPEAKER_00: Right.
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SPEAKER_00: That is um, you know, example of what it's like to have one of these toxicities that affect you later.
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SPEAKER_00: And the reason that happens is because God built the body for survival, right?
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SPEAKER_00: He built it in this infinite wisdom that when a when a toxin enters the body, whether it's a Pesticide or a solvent, a heavy metal, endocrine disruptor, or an air pollution, the body doesn't just throw its hands up and say, well, that's it.
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SPEAKER_00: I'm done.
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SPEAKER_00: You know, it tries to mitigate, it tries to detoxify, it compensates, it reroutes things.
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SPEAKER_00: It will sacrifice non-essential functions to protect the vital functions.
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SPEAKER_00: And this is why you can appear healthy for decades and then get this disease.
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SPEAKER_00: So what happens is I'm going to give you three key reasons why symptoms can take decades to appear.
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SPEAKER_00: There's lots of them, but I'm just going to give you three.
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SPEAKER_00: Number one, neurons are actually pretty hard to kill.
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SPEAKER_00: So oftentimes, let's say you're exposed to a pesticide, it doesn't just usually outright kill a neuron in your body, but it can cause harm.
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SPEAKER_00: So it might impair your ability to produce energy, for example.
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SPEAKER_00: Maybe it does that by damaging the mitochondria.
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SPEAKER_00: It can disrupt protein folding or it can interfere with autophagy, which is when the cells come and do like vacuuming up, like they're cleaning up, you know, any um damage that's been done.
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SPEAKER_00: It can interfere with that process.
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SPEAKER_00: So a neuron itself can limp along for years and sometimes decades, and it can be functioning just well enough to keep you going and to keep most symptoms at bay.
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SPEAKER_00: So maybe not some of these other symptoms like fatigue or anxiety, but it can keep like tremors at bay for a while.
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SPEAKER_00: Okay.
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SPEAKER_00: Now, once those neurons are totally compromised, there is no quick cleanup cleanup crew in place waiting in your wings.
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SPEAKER_00: And that's because by the time the most people are diagnosed with Parkinson's, for example, about 60% of their neurons that produce dopamine are already gone.
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SPEAKER_00: So the body has limped along, compensating for you for years until you reach over half of your neurons that are just gone.
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SPEAKER_00: And then this is usually when you start seeing the major symptoms, like the tremors, you know, the involuntary movements.
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SPEAKER_00: Um, to give you one example, one of the what this is a beautiful example of how your body is built to compensate.
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SPEAKER_00: And this involves dopamine itself.
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SPEAKER_00: So as the neurons are lost that produce dopamine, the brain compensates and it slowly starts to decrease how fast it breaks down the dopamine that can be produced.
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SPEAKER_00: And it slows down how much it can, how much it takes it back in, like a re-uptake.
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SPEAKER_00: So that means your dopamine is going to linger longer, like in your synapses or in the cells.
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SPEAKER_00: And when it does that, it's trying to help you, but actually, dopamine can cause increase in oxidative stress.
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SPEAKER_00: So now you're trying to compensate, but now you have more oxidative stress, more damage that's being done.
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SPEAKER_00: It's taxing an overworked mitochondria already.
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SPEAKER_00: And it starts to degrade some of your precision in signaling through your neurons.
25:13
SPEAKER_00: So maybe, for example, you start to lose some fine motor control.
25:17
SPEAKER_00: Like you may not have the tremors yet, but maybe you start losing fine motor control.
25:21
SPEAKER_00: Okay.
25:22
SPEAKER_00: That strategy keeps you going for a while.
25:26
SPEAKER_00: And then it accelerates, and the wear and tear on the neurons can't be compensated for anymore.
25:31
SPEAKER_00: So it's like death by a thousand biochemical paper cuts.
25:36
SPEAKER_00: Like that's how you can think of it.
25:38
SPEAKER_00: The symptoms, when you finally get those symptoms that associate with Parkinson's and these other neurological conditions, those symptoms are simply the moment that your compensation mechanisms have failed.
25:52
SPEAKER_01: Oh.
25:52
SPEAKER_00: That's actually what it is.
25:54
SPEAKER_00: It can't compensate anymore.
25:55
SPEAKER_00: And your body's now saying, I need you to help out here.
25:58
SPEAKER_00: You know, that's where the solutions come in.
26:00
SPEAKER_00: But so, and the third one is um so different toxicants, they don't actually act like poisons in the sense of like a sudden death.
26:11
SPEAKER_00: They're they sabotage.
26:13
SPEAKER_00: So, for example, they can cause um the microglia, you know, brain immune cells.
26:19
SPEAKER_00: They can cause them to have chronic low-grade inflammation that your body's having to compensate for.
26:24
SPEAKER_00: They can disrupt your mitochondria cells just enough so that your mitochondria can still make energy, but only enough to keep your um vital functions going, not enough for you to repair anything.
26:38
SPEAKER_00: Okay, so one thing after the next, they can sabotage you.
26:42
SPEAKER_00: Um, this is why we get these early warning symptoms and we we just you know poo-poo them as like aging or stress or whatever.
26:51
SPEAKER_00: Um this the reason why I wanted to go into a little bit of detail to give you some examples there is because I think we need to break this perceived link between cause and effect.
27:01
SPEAKER_00: We need to we need to understand that we are if we don't if we don't come to the realization that you can be exposed to something and 40 years later it can turn into this full-blown disease, it's normalizing, normalizing our harmful exposure to these different toxins.
27:21
SPEAKER_00: Okay.
27:22
SPEAKER_00: So what I wanted to do is go through now and talk about some of uh the Parkinson's 25.
27:31
SPEAKER_00: This is their 25 action steps that you can take to lower your risk.
27:35
SPEAKER_00: And in this, we I will tell you the main um toxins that they have pointed out in this book.
27:42
SPEAKER_00: And again, it's backed by a substantial amount of research.
27:45
SPEAKER_00: Okay.
27:46
SPEAKER_00: So the first item on their list is to wash your produce, even organic ones.
27:52
SPEAKER_00: I mean, this sounds like us, right?
27:54
SPEAKER_00: A lot of these, Joel, you're gonna say, oh, that's us.
27:56
SPEAKER_00: Like we've already covered that, so which is good.
27:59
SPEAKER_00: The message is getting out there.
28:01
SPEAKER_00: Um, so they go on and on about how bad pesticides are.
28:05
SPEAKER_00: And what they're saying is that in rural areas, pesticides are the primary culprit for Parkinson's disease.
28:15
SPEAKER_00: In urban and suburban areas, the primary culprit is actually industrial toxins.
28:22
SPEAKER_00: And so we're gonna differentiate between those two.
28:24
SPEAKER_00: Okay.
28:25
SPEAKER_00: So just and Joel, how many minutes do I have?
28:28
SPEAKER_01: Oh, we've got another uh 20, 20 plus.
28:33
SPEAKER_00: Okay, perfect.
28:33
SPEAKER_00: Okay.
28:34
SPEAKER_01: 25 minutes.
28:35
SPEAKER_00: Okay, so I wanna, this will be the longest section of trying to um uh explain some of the history behind some of these pesticides, and then but we'll buzz through some of the other um the other ones on their list.
28:48
SPEAKER_00: So uh they cite this 2023 study where 90% of all Americans tested had your had pesticides in their urine.
28:56
SPEAKER_00: So just so everyone knows, we've talked about this before, this is very common.
28:59
SPEAKER_00: Okay.
29:00
SPEAKER_00: So the first pesticide that is in the literature associated with Parkinson's is pariquat.
29:08
SPEAKER_00: They said if you um work with or you were ever exposed to pariquat, you're 150% more likely to develop Parkinson's, including if you just live near areas where there's usage of paracat.
29:20
SPEAKER_00: You can expose lab animals to parake and you can replicate the symptoms of Parkinson's just by exposing those animals.
29:28
SPEAKER_00: Yes.
29:29
SPEAKER_01: Well, I mean, these these pesticides are neurological.
29:32
SPEAKER_01: I mean, that's how they work.
29:33
SPEAKER_01: They attack the they attack the neurological system of insects and bugs.
29:38
SPEAKER_01: And why wouldn't it make sense that a pesticide would would be the number one um indicator for this?
29:45
SPEAKER_00: Exactly.
29:46
SPEAKER_00: And that's exactly what they say that these are all these pesticides I'm gonna mention to you, they're all neurotoxins.
29:52
SPEAKER_00: Like they've classified them as neurotoxins.
29:55
SPEAKER_00: So unfortunately for us in America, so paraquat is sprayed on fields of cotton, corn, soybeans, and grapes in the U.S.
30:02
SPEAKER_00: The use has doubled in the past five years.
30:05
SPEAKER_00: England, on the other hand, has banned the use of paraquat in its own country.
30:09
SPEAKER_00: But get this they produce the weed killer in their country and then they export it to us.
30:15
SPEAKER_00: So, yeah, and they export it to Brazil and Mexico.
30:19
SPEAKER_00: Over 50 countries have banned paraquat, including China.
30:24
SPEAKER_00: It's been used by people to commit suicide and homicide, right?
30:29
SPEAKER_00: But um, in America, the EPA reauthorized its continued use in 2024.
30:37
SPEAKER_00: Even though, Joel, if you look up paraquat on the EPA's website, it literally says, as the title, paraquat dichloride colon, one sip can kill.
30:49
SPEAKER_01: It's clearly on the website.
30:51
SPEAKER_00: But they reauthorized it in 2024.
30:54
SPEAKER_00: Um, so there's farmers have filed lawsuits against the weed killer manufacturer.
31:01
SPEAKER_00: Um, in in the internal documents from the company who companies making paraquat, these documents go back to the 1950s.
31:08
SPEAKER_00: The company's own research that was conducted as far back as the 1960s, indicate the paraquat caused features of Parkinson's in lab animals, including tremors and a still gate in rats, mice, and rabbits.
31:26
SPEAKER_00: This was part of an internal company memo.
31:28
SPEAKER_00: Like they knew, they knew this was happening.
31:31
SPEAKER_00: An internal memo said that they were warning that paracquat could become a huge legal liability like asbestos.
31:38
SPEAKER_00: But instead of withdrawing the product, they double down.
31:41
SPEAKER_00: They used techniques to under underestimate the chemical toxic effects in these studies.
31:47
SPEAKER_00: They hid results of their own research from regulatory agencies, and they try to de discredit academic researchers who were demonstrating a link between paraquat and Parkinson's.
31:57
SPEAKER_01: I mean, yeah, yeah.
31:59
SPEAKER_01: Same old story.
32:00
SPEAKER_01: Same, same uh tobacco tobacco companies all over again.
32:03
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, the lead paint manufacturers, opior, opior producers, social media companies, they're doing the same thing.
32:10
SPEAKER_00: To this day, the companies that make parquat still claim there's no link.
32:14
SPEAKER_00: Okay, but there is.
32:16
SPEAKER_00: There's this book cites all these studies, um, you know, to to establish this claim.
32:22
SPEAKER_00: Okay, so the next one, rot known.
32:25
SPEAKER_00: Have we talked about this one on our podcast?
32:27
SPEAKER_00: I don't remember that one.
32:29
SPEAKER_00: Okay, so rot known is a natural plant extract.
32:32
SPEAKER_01: That's an organic that that's uh that's acceptable in organic practice.
32:36
SPEAKER_00: Is it?
32:37
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
32:38
SPEAKER_00: Okay, so this one it probably, yeah, because it's a natural plant extract.
32:42
SPEAKER_01: Natural plant extract, yeah.
32:43
SPEAKER_00: Okay, well, gosh, that makes this even worse.
32:45
SPEAKER_00: I did not know that.
32:47
SPEAKER_00: Um, so historically, it was used uh to kill fish, and it's been used as an agricultural pest, as you just mentioned.
32:54
SPEAKER_00: In animal studies, it has been shown to disrupt the mitochondrial function and to damage those neurons I talked about that produce dopamine.
33:03
SPEAKER_00: Those are the cells that are lost in Parkinson's.
33:06
SPEAKER_00: There's epidemiological research that's linking um rotone use to higher incidence of Parkinson's in humans, including by occupational exposure.
33:17
SPEAKER_00: And inhaling it, like so if you're spraying it, inhaling it appears to be more toxic than even injecting it directly into the bloodstream of rats.
33:28
SPEAKER_00: So that's a little bit concerning.
33:30
SPEAKER_00: Um, and that also supports the nose hypothesis that the toxicant came in through the nose.
33:36
SPEAKER_00: Okay.
33:36
SPEAKER_00: Um, workers who have worked with rotinone or pariquat have been shown through occupational studies to have a two to threefold higher rate of Parkinson's disease.
33:48
SPEAKER_00: And um, and they're saying that it can even just be chronic low-level exposure that will increase your risk later.
33:56
SPEAKER_00: Then there's other ones they talk about like the um the chlorophyphos, um, DDT, you know, some of those, those are all linked now to Parkinson's.
34:07
SPEAKER_00: But for sake of time, let's move on to the industrial solvents.
34:09
SPEAKER_00: So, this is what they're saying is the primary driver for people who live in the city and suburban areas.
34:16
SPEAKER_00: They point out um this this one I hadn't really thought about.
34:19
SPEAKER_00: This was new to me.
34:20
SPEAKER_00: They primarily point out um two chemicals.
34:24
SPEAKER_00: One's TCE, trichloroethylene, and one is PCE, perchloralethylene.
34:32
SPEAKER_00: They say these are the most important causes of Parkinson's disease in cities.
34:37
SPEAKER_00: So in twin studies, these chemicals showed a 500% increased risk of the disease.
34:44
SPEAKER_00: And then in observational studies, they show a 70% increased risk in the disease.
34:50
SPEAKER_00: Um, these chemicals are largely known for degreasing, and also they're used in dry cleaning, or they have been used in dry cleaning.
34:59
SPEAKER_00: So women who worked in um laundromats had a 15 times higher risk of developing Parkinson's, according to a Danish study.
35:09
SPEAKER_00: Now, TCE was replaced with PCE, which was often called PERC.
35:14
SPEAKER_00: So some people may actually recognize that in dry cleaning.
35:17
SPEAKER_00: You know, perk can be advertised, but it's very, it's very dangerous.
35:22
SPEAKER_00: Um, in Germany, there's a grocery store located near a dry cleaner that used PCE and it's fat soluble.
35:32
SPEAKER_00: So they actually tested cheese and butter in that grocery store and they found perk in it.
35:39
SPEAKER_01: Wow.
35:40
SPEAKER_00: Yes, so it can actually affect the food in your grocery store.
35:44
SPEAKER_00: So that's actually one of the on the Parkinson's 25.
35:47
SPEAKER_00: That's one of their things is do not shop at a grocery store that's located near a dry cleaner.
35:55
SPEAKER_00: I know, right?
35:57
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
35:58
SPEAKER_01: I mean, I mean, you mean it like came through the packaging?
36:02
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, but yeah, it it they're small and it can it can be in the air.
36:07
SPEAKER_00: Um so so and you can so you can breathe it in.
36:11
SPEAKER_00: I mean, you know, it can go through the nose, but it can also go through the you know, the entryway uh through the gut.
36:16
SPEAKER_00: Um, some people might remember TCE because it was used to make decaffeinated coffee.
36:23
SPEAKER_00: And so that was one of the chemicals used to make so that's why I always tell people don't drink decaf coffee, you know, just don't do it.
36:30
SPEAKER_00: Um, TCE was used to make decaf coffee, and then the FDA banned it.
36:34
SPEAKER_00: I think it was in 1977 because of its association with cancer.
36:38
SPEAKER_00: Now there's other solvents used to make decaf coffee like methylene chloride and stuff.
36:43
SPEAKER_00: Um, but TCE was also used to as a fumigant for grains.
36:47
SPEAKER_00: So now it's not, right?
36:49
SPEAKER_00: Now it's now it's it's been now used predominantly in more industrial and commercial applications, like I said, like degreasing.
36:57
SPEAKER_00: But consumers also can still encounter it because it's used in things like spot removers, like for cleaning, uh, some furniture care products, uh spray coatings for arts and crafts, um automotive care products like brake cleaners.
37:11
SPEAKER_00: Again, like I mentioned, foods can contain it because sometimes foods can pick it up from the processing equipment that might be cleaned with TCE containing solvents.
37:22
SPEAKER_00: Or uh so TCE and PERK can be can um are one of the things that contaminate the water supply.
37:30
SPEAKER_00: And I'll get to that more in a minute.
37:32
SPEAKER_00: So if your food is washed in water that's contaminated with it, or it's used during the processing of it, or it's cooked with it, so say um noodles are cooked in water that contains it.
37:44
SPEAKER_00: Well, then it can it can contaminate your food, right?
37:47
SPEAKER_00: Plants can suck it up from the environment.
37:49
SPEAKER_00: So you could be eating it in plants.
37:51
SPEAKER_00: Um, exposure used to be really common, um, but now it's mainly like electricians, maintenance workers, um factory workers, painters, pharmaceutical manufacturer, weapons specialists, you know, um they are most likely exposed to it now.
38:10
SPEAKER_00: The EPA in good news just finalized their ban on it in um in December of 2024.
38:17
SPEAKER_00: So they banned the use of TCE.
38:19
SPEAKER_00: They said it was by this December, December of 2025, but there's longer phase out periods.
38:26
SPEAKER_00: And um they banned many uses of PCE, but not all of them.
38:32
SPEAKER_00: It's supposed to be phased out in three years, but for dry cleaners, there's a 10-year phase out.
38:37
SPEAKER_00: Okay.
38:38
SPEAKER_00: So you wanna you wanna be very careful in choosing do you want to actually go get your dry cleaning?
38:44
SPEAKER_00: Like, do you want to do dry cleaning or not?
38:46
SPEAKER_00: And also some apartments are above dry cleaners, you know, like in some of the bigger cities.
38:52
SPEAKER_00: Those apartments have measurable levels uh of toxic levels of PCA in their apartments.
38:58
SPEAKER_00: Okay.
38:59
SPEAKER_00: Um, there are thousands of sites in New York and tens of thousands of sites nationally that are already contaminated with these two industrial compounds.
39:10
SPEAKER_00: Um, there was even a shuffleboard club in New York City that in 2020, right?
39:15
SPEAKER_00: In 2021, they were toxic fume levels were found in that shuffleboard club.
39:21
SPEAKER_00: Um, they were the concentration was 10,000 times the allowable level by the state.
39:28
SPEAKER_01: So it it's it's been reported in um why because they were using cleansers for the shuffleboard quartz or something?
39:36
SPEAKER_00: Well, and so part of it is because it's contaminated the soil and it's contaminated the water supply.
39:40
SPEAKER_00: And so it will come up through the soil and it can get trapped, you know, like radon, which radon's another one we'll talk about.
39:48
SPEAKER_00: Um so at its peak, 600 million pounds of TCE were used every year in America.
39:55
SPEAKER_00: That's more than two pounds per American.
39:58
SPEAKER_00: And they say none of it was disposed of properly.
40:01
SPEAKER_00: So some of it leaked through sewer lines, some of it escaped through these 55-gallon drums that they were putting in it, some was actually just dumped into rivers and streams, and some was just dumped on the ground.
40:13
SPEAKER_00: So they're estimating that 30% of the groundwater in America is contaminated with TCE.
40:22
SPEAKER_00: This was new to me.
40:23
SPEAKER_00: I had no idea that there was so much contamination from these industrial solvents.
40:28
SPEAKER_00: Um, and to think, I mean, do we really need dry cleaning that badly, you know?
40:32
SPEAKER_00: Um, and I mean, it's not just dry cleaning, but still that's that's one of the big contributors.
40:38
SPEAKER_00: Um, this is really rampant as well on military bases.
40:42
SPEAKER_00: There's been lawsuits about this.
40:44
SPEAKER_00: Uh, there is a big cover-up of one of the at one of the marine bases where um there was a a U.S.
40:52
SPEAKER_00: House of Representatives Oversight Committee, and they found that for 30 years there were Marines and their families that were exposed to toxic chemicals in the drinking water on the base.
41:03
SPEAKER_00: It took the Marine Corps more than four years to shut down that drinking water system, even though they knew it was a contamination, it was contaminated.
41:11
SPEAKER_00: And it took another 24 years and an act of Congress to force the Marine Corps to tell veterans about the contamination.
41:19
SPEAKER_00: Meanwhile, the veterans were getting sick, their families were getting sick, kids were dying, moms were having really, really horrific miscarriages, stillborn babies, babies with all kinds of defects.
41:32
SPEAKER_00: There's a local cemetery next to that base, and it's called Baby Heaven.
41:38
SPEAKER_01: Oh.
41:40
SPEAKER_00: Because it's filled with so many children, infants, and babies.
41:43
SPEAKER_00: Some were born without brains.
41:45
SPEAKER_00: Like, yeah, it's just I know.
41:48
SPEAKER_00: I'm like, oh, it's just criminal.
41:50
SPEAKER_00: It's criminal what they did.
41:52
SPEAKER_00: Um, so anyhow, we have all of these uh sources of contamination.
41:56
SPEAKER_00: We have super fund sites.
41:58
SPEAKER_00: I don't know if if our listeners don't know, you can go on to like the EPA's website.
42:02
SPEAKER_00: There's 1,300 super fund sites listed in America.
42:06
SPEAKER_00: These sites can all contaminate drinking water.
42:09
SPEAKER_00: Um, the the super fund sites are designated as the country's most toxic sites, but not all of the sites are listed on there.
42:17
SPEAKER_00: These are just 1,300 listed.
42:19
SPEAKER_00: Um, over 70 million Americans and over 20% of all children live within three miles of a super fund site.
42:28
SPEAKER_00: That that is too close, three miles.
42:32
SPEAKER_00: And they're saying the toxins from those sites can contaminate the drinking water and the air, you know.
42:38
SPEAKER_00: Um, one of the things they say then is to test your air, test the air in your house, um, and test your well water.
42:46
SPEAKER_00: They're saying that um one in eight Americans receive water from a well.
42:50
SPEAKER_00: I get mine from a well.
42:52
SPEAKER_00: Uh, the water in those wells, they're saying, is prone actually to contamination from pesticides from nearby farms and from these industrial chemicals from military bases or you know, local businesses.
43:04
SPEAKER_00: So you want to have your water tested as well.
43:08
SPEAKER_00: Um, but so let's move on to the next one.
43:11
SPEAKER_00: That was a whole big, whole big explanation for that.
43:13
SPEAKER_00: So wash your produce.
43:16
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
43:17
SPEAKER_00: Um, they're saying change your diet.
43:20
SPEAKER_00: Uh, this part, you know, I wish they had consulted with somebody else about what kind of diet to do because they even talk about how they don't really know, except for a Mediterranean whole food diet, seems to be helpful, but clearly not eating processed food.
43:36
SPEAKER_00: Um the number three was make sure your grocery store is safe.
43:39
SPEAKER_00: That's what I talked about.
43:40
SPEAKER_00: Don't go to a grocery store that's near a dry cleaner.
43:44
SPEAKER_00: Um, number four is drink wine that doesn't have pesticides.
43:47
SPEAKER_00: So choose organic wine if you choose to drink.
43:50
SPEAKER_00: Number five is avoid or at least manage diabetes because diabetes is associated with a high future risk of.
44:00
SPEAKER_00: Parkinson's and can increase the progression.
44:04
SPEAKER_00: So this we already knew because what this is saying is you have chronic levels of inflammation.
44:10
SPEAKER_00: You need to lower the levels of inflammation to reverse that condition.
44:14
SPEAKER_00: This means lower your sugar and carbohydrate intake for most people and increase healthy fats.
44:21
SPEAKER_00: So they're close there, right?
44:23
SPEAKER_00: That went, I gave them points.
44:24
SPEAKER_00: They're on the right path for that, you know?
44:27
SPEAKER_00: Um, number six, they actually say drink if you're gonna, if you want to, we're giving you an excuse to drink caffeinated coffee, not decaf, as I already mentioned.
44:40
SPEAKER_00: Caffeinated coffee has actually been associated with a decreased risk of Parkinson's disease, that the caffeine may protect those dopamine-producing nerve cells when they are exposed to toxins.
44:52
SPEAKER_00: And that could be because, you know, um it can help with mitigating oxidative damage.
44:59
SPEAKER_00: Um, farm safely.
45:01
SPEAKER_00: This is number seven.
45:03
SPEAKER_00: If you are going to work with pesticides, know that there's a higher risk and use personal protective equipment, gloves, mask, goggles.
45:13
SPEAKER_00: And basically, if you can at all, try not to use the pesticides.
45:18
SPEAKER_00: Number eight, like I said, check your well.
45:21
SPEAKER_00: The EPA, they say, provides a list of labs that are certified to test your water.
45:26
SPEAKER_00: And you want to make sure that you test it for pesticides, but also for these other chemicals like TCE, and you know, in addition to the usual bacteria.
45:35
SPEAKER_00: Number nine, filter your water, get a carbon water filter, and that can reduce your exposure to TCE and some of these other pesticides, preferably a whole house filter filter and a point of use filter in your kitchen.
45:54
SPEAKER_00: Number 10, purify your air again with carbon filters.
45:59
SPEAKER_00: Get the ones that are designed to remove, quote, volatile organic chemicals like TCE.
46:05
SPEAKER_00: So you can clean up your air doing these things.
46:08
SPEAKER_00: Number 11, don't poison yourself.
46:12
SPEAKER_00: They're saying like insect sprays, um, so sprays you would do for like fleas, ants, moths, that these can all contain these chemicals that can cause pesticides.
46:23
SPEAKER_00: Don't use flea collars, don't spray any of these things, don't use mothballs.
46:28
SPEAKER_00: Uh, number 12, choose your home carefully.
46:33
SPEAKER_00: So this is where they're saying do not live near one of these super fun sites.
46:39
SPEAKER_00: And um you should test your indoor air for TCE and PCE, and also test your air for radon.
46:50
SPEAKER_00: So this is when that we haven't actually um talked about this on our show before in great detail, but you know, radon is this naturally occurring colorless, odorless, radioactive gas, and it's formed from decay of uranium and rock and soil.
47:07
SPEAKER_00: So it can actually creep into homes, into buildings.
47:11
SPEAKER_00: It can do this through cracks um and accumulate in your air, and actually also because things are just porous, like it even can travel through concrete, you know, or like in basements.
47:22
SPEAKER_00: Bases, basements are um one of the more notorious places because you're already digging into the ground.
47:27
SPEAKER_00: So there's more exposure, there's more walls up against these rocks that may have maybe releasing um radon.
47:35
SPEAKER_00: And the way that they're formed when they put the cement down, it pulls away from the frame a little bit.
47:41
SPEAKER_00: So there's more of a crack there for the radon to escape more easily up into the air.
47:45
SPEAKER_00: And of course, it can rise up.
47:47
SPEAKER_00: And so radon is um is a big problem in certain areas of the United States.
47:55
SPEAKER_00: And the government has maps, like I know in Georgia, for example, our local EPA has a map of Georgia and it ranks where are the more the higher level of exposure to radon, like which counties are are you know more at risk?
48:12
SPEAKER_00: But it's so prevalent in many of these homes that it's now recommended that all homes get tested.
48:17
SPEAKER_00: And actually, I just I got this.
48:19
SPEAKER_00: Um, you can see my my radon meter.
48:22
SPEAKER_00: I bought one because of this book.
48:24
SPEAKER_00: So this book may have actually saved my family from some long-term health issues because I read this book, and you know, I don't know if you do this, Joel, but I always pray before I read a book or an article and I ask God, okay, show there's a lot of information in here.
48:40
SPEAKER_00: Show me my next step.
48:41
SPEAKER_00: Show me what you really want to highlight.
48:43
SPEAKER_00: For me, radon jumped out, which is weird.
48:46
SPEAKER_00: We don't have a basement, right?
48:48
SPEAKER_00: And that's one of the reasons why I didn't want a basement.
48:50
SPEAKER_00: I didn't want to have to deal with radon.
48:52
SPEAKER_00: So I thought the odds are low, but God's telling me to do this.
48:55
SPEAKER_00: So I got this meter off Amazon.
48:57
SPEAKER_00: I know your favorite place to shop.
49:00
SPEAKER_00: And I started measuring.
49:02
SPEAKER_00: And um, sure enough, we did not have exceptionally high levels, but it would peak at about eight.
49:09
SPEAKER_00: Our average was around three.
49:11
SPEAKER_00: Um, depending on what source you're looking for, you definitely want below four.
49:15
SPEAKER_00: But it was high enough for me that reading in the literature about consequences of being exposed to radon, I mean, it's radioactivity, you know?
49:26
SPEAKER_00: And I was like, this is high enough that we're gonna get this mitigated because they talk about this in the book where um radon is the number two leading cause of lung cancer.
49:36
SPEAKER_00: But that's as far as they go in this book.
49:38
SPEAKER_00: If you look in the literature, radon's actually associated with autoimmune conditions as well.
49:43
SPEAKER_00: And it makes sense because it's radioactivity, right?
49:46
SPEAKER_00: So we actually had a mitigation system installed in our house here.
49:51
SPEAKER_00: And now my radon level is 0.6.
49:54
SPEAKER_00: Well, and yeah, as a win-win, because you know it pulls air from underneath your foundation out, right?
50:00
SPEAKER_00: And as an added benefit, that can decrease your home's um likelihood of growing mold as well because you're moving the air.
50:08
SPEAKER_00: So for me, I was like a win-win.
50:09
SPEAKER_00: So that's another big one.
50:10
SPEAKER_00: This on point number 12.
50:12
SPEAKER_01: Everything I've read about all that plus mold is one of the problems is that our our modern houses are too tight.
50:20
SPEAKER_01: They don't they don't have enough airflow.
50:22
SPEAKER_01: So, you know, here here, Therese and I, you know, we're in this house built in 1790, you know, the thing leaks like a sieve.
50:29
SPEAKER_01: But um, you know, we don't have to uh we I I think it's pretty healthy.
50:34
SPEAKER_01: In fact, in fact, old timers around here said uh back, you know, in the 40s and 50s when they were kids, um, every morning, no matter how cold it was, every morning uh they would open the um open the open the front door and leave it open for like three or four minutes and just and just let air out.
50:55
SPEAKER_01: And uh that was something that people did, you know, routinely back when they were still running fireplaces.
51:01
SPEAKER_01: Okay, gotta hurry through this, Cena.
51:03
SPEAKER_00: Oh man, okay.
51:04
SPEAKER_00: Okay, number 14, I already covered check that.
51:08
SPEAKER_00: Oh, sorry, number 13, uh is the dry cleaning, right?
51:11
SPEAKER_00: So if all possible, try to avoid doing the dry cleaning.
51:14
SPEAKER_00: Number 14, check the ground floor.
51:16
SPEAKER_00: This is why I mentioned if you're in a high rise or if you live near a dry cleaner, right?
51:21
SPEAKER_00: Consider potentially not living there.
51:25
SPEAKER_01: Uh-huh.
51:26
SPEAKER_00: That's an easy one.
51:27
SPEAKER_00: I just move, right?
51:28
SPEAKER_00: Um, okay.
51:29
SPEAKER_00: Number five, they're saying see what is near your child's daycare center.
51:34
SPEAKER_00: And the same goes for like schools, right?
51:37
SPEAKER_00: Um, see if there's a dry cleaner near there, see if it's near a super fun site.
51:42
SPEAKER_00: Um, number 16, this was interesting.
51:45
SPEAKER_00: Roll up your windows when you're in traffic.
51:49
SPEAKER_00: It's a traffic-related air pollution, like that found on congested highways, is associated with an increased risk of Parkinson's and Alzheimer's.
51:57
SPEAKER_00: So next time you find yourself stuck in a traffic in traffic, or you're traveling through a tunnel that's full of cars, roll up your window and circulate the air within your car to avoid bringing toxic fumes inside.
52:09
SPEAKER_00: All right.
52:10
SPEAKER_00: Number 17, garden with care.
52:14
SPEAKER_00: It said plants like um chrysanthemums or mums don't like to be eaten by insects.
52:21
SPEAKER_00: So many produce their own pesticides.
52:25
SPEAKER_00: Some of these natural pesticides are linked to Parkinson's.
52:30
SPEAKER_00: That was interesting to me.
52:32
SPEAKER_01: Wow.
52:33
SPEAKER_00: Um in number 18.
52:35
SPEAKER_00: Um, this is about golf courses.
52:37
SPEAKER_00: Those who live near or work on golf courses may have a higher risk of Parkinson's.
52:44
SPEAKER_00: Um, ask your favorite golf course or club what pesticides they use and when they spray them.
52:49
SPEAKER_00: Encourage them to use less and consider safer alternatives.
52:53
SPEAKER_00: Avoid playing on courses just after they've been sprayed, and don't lick your golf ball.
52:59
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
53:00
SPEAKER_00: Like, is that a thing?
53:01
SPEAKER_00: Like, I love golf.
53:03
SPEAKER_00: So I was like, okay.
53:05
SPEAKER_01: I don't either, but I've heard of it, yes.
53:08
SPEAKER_00: You know, and I will add to this one that it's not just golf courses, it's playgrounds too.
53:14
SPEAKER_00: It's playgrounds, it's national parks, like they're spraying pesticides everywhere.
53:20
SPEAKER_00: So there's a lot of playgrounds that our homeschool group we don't meet at anymore because I have found out that they spray pesticides.
53:27
SPEAKER_00: So we we alternate between just a couple that we know don't spray.
53:32
SPEAKER_00: I mean, that's how bad it is.
53:33
SPEAKER_00: So that's the thing.
53:34
SPEAKER_00: Be mindful of the greens, not only in golf courses, but everywhere you're going.
53:37
SPEAKER_00: If you're hiking, be mindful.
53:39
SPEAKER_00: Um, number 19, um, elementary schools.
53:45
SPEAKER_00: Um, over 4,000 U.S.
53:47
SPEAKER_00: elementary schools are located within 200 feet of crop fields.
53:52
SPEAKER_00: In Iowa, 90% of public school districts have buildings within 2,000 feet of a farm field.
53:58
SPEAKER_00: So check the schools, check the playground, check the soccer fields, is what he's saying.
54:03
SPEAKER_00: And ask your schools to stop using the pesticides.
54:08
SPEAKER_00: Uh, number 20 is use personal protective equipment if you are going to be using these chemicals or if you're going to be around them.
54:15
SPEAKER_00: Number 21, exercise.
54:18
SPEAKER_00: Uh, this is a big one.
54:19
SPEAKER_00: It's a vigorous exercise has been shown to lower the risk of developing Parkinson's and moving your body every day has also been shown to benefit people who already have the disease.
54:31
SPEAKER_00: Even just a stationary bike three times a week can reduce atrophy of your brain.
54:39
SPEAKER_00: 22, you need to sleep.
54:41
SPEAKER_00: They're figuring out.
54:42
SPEAKER_00: Oh, I didn't cover this, but this seems pretty obvious.
54:45
SPEAKER_00: They're figuring out that um in preventing these diseases and reversing them, you need to have sleep that's restorative because we've talked this about this a lot, Joel.
54:56
SPEAKER_00: It helps your body to um remove the toxins from the brain, it flushes toxins out of the body.
55:02
SPEAKER_00: 22, avoid head trauma.
55:05
SPEAKER_00: So this goes into the whole even sports, right?
55:09
SPEAKER_00: And making sure like the concussions and everything.
55:12
SPEAKER_00: Um, number 24, act at your local level to try to get pesticides and these industrial chemicals out.
55:19
SPEAKER_00: Number 25, support your veterans.
55:22
SPEAKER_00: Uh veterans, six percent of the US population is veterans, and 10% of them have Parkinson's.
55:31
SPEAKER_00: And they're all they're at an increased risk because of exposure to the pesticides, TCE, head trauma, and whatnot.
55:38
SPEAKER_00: So they're saying try to support them and um try to get our legislators to stop the use of some of these chemicals and um provide them with more support.
55:50
SPEAKER_00: So I made it through the 25.
55:52
SPEAKER_01: Yes, you did, man.
55:53
SPEAKER_01: You did well.
55:54
SPEAKER_01: You did well.
55:55
SPEAKER_01: Well, that's just that's that's really fascinating.
55:58
SPEAKER_01: And, you know, uh, it would be it would be so interesting to go to take this to the average Parkinson's sufferer, you know, that's been labeled, and go through this list and say, so where do you think it came from?
56:15
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
56:16
SPEAKER_01: I mean, that that would be a I'm I'm thinking of this dear lady at church, she, you know, she's uh she and her husband sit right near us.
56:24
SPEAKER_01: You know how everybody's got their got their seat.
56:27
SPEAKER_01: And uh and it it just uh yeah, it breaks your heart.
56:31
SPEAKER_01: Um she's quite she's quite an artist, so I'm sure she's done a lot of um she does a lot of oiled painting and all that.
56:39
SPEAKER_01: So I wonder if Yeah, you're yeah, what?
56:43
SPEAKER_00: I know I'm like chopping out the bit.
56:44
SPEAKER_00: I know you gotta go too, but real fast, yes, artists are one of the categories, and you know what I found out?
56:49
SPEAKER_00: You know when it says the paint is non-toxic?
56:52
SPEAKER_00: That means non-toxic to be on the tip of the paintbrush, not non-toxic to touch your skin.
57:00
SPEAKER_01: Oh, okay.
57:01
SPEAKER_00: I mean, like crazy, right?
57:02
SPEAKER_00: How many kids and people do you know of the paint and they don't get it on their skin?
57:06
SPEAKER_00: No, I mean that's crazy.
57:08
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, you always get it on your skin.
57:10
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that's right.
57:11
SPEAKER_00: And you're breathing it in.
57:12
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah, great.
57:14
SPEAKER_01: All right, so a question for the day.
57:16
SPEAKER_01: Question for the day is you've heard this list of 25.
57:20
SPEAKER_01: Um on a scale of on a scale of one to 10, 1 being um terrible, 10 being good, rate yourself.
57:29
SPEAKER_01: Where are you on this list?
57:31
SPEAKER_01: Uh, you know, a little bit of self-auditing here probably be a good thing.
57:35
SPEAKER_01: Whether you're, you know, 20 or 80, um put yourself on these 25 and and give yourself a score.
57:43
SPEAKER_01: One to ten.
57:44
SPEAKER_01: And uh see see see what it looks like.
57:47
SPEAKER_00: I love it.
57:48
SPEAKER_00: And can I add one caveat?
57:49
SPEAKER_00: Um, I'm presenting what's in this book.
57:52
SPEAKER_00: Clearly, these are not the only causes.
57:54
SPEAKER_00: You and I have talked about this a lot.
57:56
SPEAKER_00: So but these are the ones that they pointed out that have lots of science behind them.
58:00
SPEAKER_01: Right, right.
58:01
SPEAKER_01: That's great.
58:01
SPEAKER_01: That's great.
58:02
SPEAKER_01: And and get the book.
58:03
SPEAKER_01: It's called the the Park Parkinson's Plan.
58:07
SPEAKER_01: Parkinson's Plan.
58:08
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that's great.
58:10
SPEAKER_01: That's great.
58:11
SPEAKER_01: And uh uh thank you, Cena, for bringing us up to speed on that.
58:15
SPEAKER_01: So we thank you all for visiting with us, letting us uh invade your space again.
58:20
SPEAKER_01: Um and we look forward to visiting with you again next week on another Beyond Labels podcast.