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EP 48: NFL Award Predictions, Super Bowl Predictions, & Best/Worst NFL Coaching Hires · 3 Guys, 6 Balls NFL Podcast

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3 lifelong friends, 6 trusty balls and endless NFL ticks
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welcome to three guys 6 balls NFL podcast welcome to episode
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48 of three guys 6 balls NFL podcast I'm your host Joel and
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I'm here with my two usual Co hosts will and Avery Avery how's
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Vegas treating you it's. Treated me well so far.
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It's nice cool 6970° dry heat which I love.
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I didn't say the other number. Yeah, just moved in a few days
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ago. Got this whole thing set up
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today. Yeah.
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Very, very excited to be back in Vegas.
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I lived here like 10 years ago. Have you seen Mark Davis's
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haircut yet? Not in person, but if I do I
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will snap a photo and we will use that as the thumbnail for a
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future episode. Please, please, we have to have
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it on our show. We just have to.
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I'll get it. All right, well, it's good to
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have Avery back with us after his move last week when he
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wasn't here. So last week Will and I talked
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about some of the NFL awards, and we're going to do that again
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this week because the NFL awards show is this week.
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So last week Will and I talked about the MVP award, the
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Offensive Player of the Year and Defensive Player of the Year
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awards. Today we're going to talk about
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Coach of the year. We're going to talk about
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offensive and defensive rookies. So we're not going to do all the
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awards, but we'll do Coach of the year, offensive rookie and
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defensive rookie the year, and then we'll talk about the Super
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Bowl, because that is also this week as well.
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And then if we have time at the end, we'll talk about some of
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the new coaching hires and go over which coaching hires we
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think are the best and the worst.
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But before we get into all that, as I mentioned, Will and I
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talked about some of the awards last week and we did for and
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against cases for some of those awards.
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Well, I decided that I was going to post on social.
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Yeah, a against case for Miles Garrett to not win defensive
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player of the year and that post on Instagram got 56.8000 views
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and it was mostly people to. Jail.
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Straight to jail. Yeah, it was mostly people just
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saying I'm a complete idiot. But anyways, it was it was
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awesome to see see it just blow up like that.
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It was really cool, even though pretty much every single person
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was saying I'm a moron except for all four people.
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I love how real real quick I do love how doing that post knowing
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that it was going to get hate and then seeing how much
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engagement you get. Like I'm sure the light turned
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on for you is to like This is why there's so much retarded
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content on the Internet as you can farm the hell out of this
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anyway. If you say something good, if
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you say yeah, Miles Garrett's going to win defensive player of
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the year. That post would have got like 3
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views. Yeah.
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Yeah, there you just, you have to say something like that in
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order for people to actually watch it.
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People love to hate. They do so.
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What we need is more rage bait then.
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Yes, we need to start a Browns hate podcast because the 2
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Browns posts that we've recently done are the two best posts
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we've ever had. So we need to start a Browns
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hate podcast. You know, ironically, if we did
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that on ironically, actually if we did a Browns hate podcast and
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went really deep into it, it would be similar to that, that
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scene from the other guys where Mark Wahlberg and ironically
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learned how to do like ballet or something to make fun of the
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ballet dudes and he like got really into it just to like make
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fun of them. It would be wild if we got into
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it and it got to the point where we were really deep into it and
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we just started making sense. And then it ended up becoming
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like the official Browns podcast because of like how like real
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and true all of our takes were. It would be funny, but it would,
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I could see that. I could see that doing really,
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really well. It would be fun.
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I'll say this about Browns fans. They love to defend their team
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even though they have to know that their team just sucks, but
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they defend their team to the deck.
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They. Have to, you know, it's funny, I
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even had one just random kid on Instagram reach out to me and he
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was like bro, did you just make a hate post against the Browns
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to just try and get Browns fans to hate you?
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And I was like yeah 100%. And he was like dude, the Browns
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only have like 3 total fans and two of them are me and my dad.
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Well, well, well, what do we have over here?
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Looks a Browns fan hurt us and decided to come in and chime in
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and try to defend the Browns. That's gross.
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I think I just threw up in my mouth.
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Hang. On, I need to go throw up real
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quick, a Browns fan. You not see my charges right
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over there? Come on now.
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Yeah, yeah, equal amounts of playoff success.
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That's not true. Come on, what are we doing,
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boys? What's up, Tim?
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What's going on? Man, I just, I don't know, I
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kind of dugout the O equipment for the first time in forever
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and just thought I'd see what you boys were up to.
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All right. Well, yeah, today we're going to
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talk about some NFL awards. Thanks for joining us.
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Hey, you're welcome. You're welcome.
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I hear you have an announcement you wanted to share with.
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Us. Oh, oh, you want me to do it
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now? Now.
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OK, well. Now we have to.
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Breaking news, you heard it first on the Three Guys 6 Balls
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podcast. The man Timmy Answer the Call
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podcast is coming back to a screen near you.
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Everything works out. Should be live next week.
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Back in it, Back in it. I'm not going to lie, I it's, it
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feels good to be back and I'm glad I I'm able to crash this
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party to kind of shake off the rust a little because I'm I'm
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sure there's going to be quite a bit, but.
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He's going to use us as Guinea pigs.
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Yeah, Yeah, yeah, yeah. A little test subject.
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So what are we talking tonight? All right.
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Well, just to give you the rundown.
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So we're talking about Coach of the Year, Offensive Rookie of
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the Year, Defensive Rookie of the Year, then we'll talk about
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the Super Bowl and then hopefully at the end we'll get
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to some of these recent coaching hires, best and worst.
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So we'll see how much we get through.
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But to get us started, let's let's go ahead and talk about
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Coach of the Year, Coach of the year.
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So the finalists for coach of the year are Liam Cohen, Ben
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Johnson, Mike McDonald, Kyle Shanahan and Mike Vrabel.
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So Tim, since you're our guest today, why don't you get us
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started? Who do you think's going to win
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Coach of the Year? Oh, that's actually a really
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good one because, you know, there's so many good coaches.
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I'm not going to sit here and spend a whole lot of time on
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this. But like, let's be real, an
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argument can be made on all these coaches, right?
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I mean, Ben Johnson turned around the Bears, Liam Cohen,
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you know, brought the Jags back to the playoffs.
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Mike McDonald only improved the Seahawks record from last year.
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Kyle Shanahan. I kind of feel like Kyle
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Shanahan is kind of on that. Sean Mcbay.
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I think you guys were talking about Sean Mcbay a little bit
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last week in the sense that it's kind of expected.
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Well, Kyle Shanahan for me, if he doesn't make the playoffs,
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it's a bigger deal. Then you got Mike Raybrol, who
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completely turned the Patriots around and got him to the Super
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Bowl. I personally would like to see
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Liam Cohen or Ben Johnson win it, but I really think that Mike
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Raybrol is going to take it. Well, who do you have winning
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Coach of the Year? Pete Kell.
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I mean, I man, I feel like the best case can be made for the
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three floor to ceiling coaches, right?
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Liam Cohen, Ben Johnson, Mike Brabel.
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I think it's a bit of a shame that Kyle Shanahan's here.
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I don't think he's that good of a coach, especially this year as
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a head coach. I don't think that he did his
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team enough service to warrant a ward.
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The case seemed to be made that, oh, but that his whole team got
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injured. OK, well, then your coaching
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staff didn't do a good job keeping your players protected.
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I mean, that's that's kind of what that blows down to me.
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I I think it's a shame he didn't hear.
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I would like to see Mike McDonald win it.
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That's not going to happen. I do think it's also going to go
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to to Mike Vrabel, but unfortunately, unfortunately, I
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think it probably should have been Johnson.
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Well, there's nothing unfortunate about that.
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I will just take the bears. Tim.
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OH. Bears bear hater.
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Wow. He hates them as much as you
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hate the Browns. But see I don't or just.
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Don't like them? I hate hates a strong word.
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Hates a strong word I. Hate the Browns.
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I root for them because. I hate the Eagles Hate.
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They're just terrible. Yeah.
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Like I hate the Chiefs. So I mean, I get it.
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See, that's that's an in division thing.
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You're a Chargers fan, right? You're supposed to hate your
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division rivals. I mean, the Bears are not in the
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Rams division. If if you hate the Browns
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though, I mean like, I mean you're just.
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It's punching down. It's the same thing with the
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Seahawks or the Rams hating the Cardinals.
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It's like, jeez, dude, like chill.
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Like they're so far in your rear view mirror.
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Like who cares? Like actually hating your little
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brother. Yeah, yeah.
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It's like, like, OK, anyway, the coach, I, I, I think it's got to
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be Mike Vrabel going from 13 and 4 to 14 and three.
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Insane. I I still remember when Will
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Campbell was drafted and in his little interview on the stage
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was talking about how he's going to protect Drake May, which I
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mean, yeah, he kind of did. I mean, you got him to the, you
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know, the Super Bowl, but like, he could have done a little bit
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better. But seeing how much that team
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improved, especially, I mean, I remember Mike Vrabel with the
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Titans, and I thought he looked promising there.
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And then he goes to the Patriots.
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And I think everyone kind of saw as like, oh, this could be good.
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Like the Titans are about to make a generational fumble here
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and we're seeing it now. But I also agree with what Will
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said. I think McDonald also, you know,
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should be up there, but it's one of those things where, you know,
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they weren't as bad last year and it's kind of like one of
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these late season pushes. It's kind of like trying to give
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this might be a deep cut, trying to give Ken Wisenhunt the coach
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of the year in was it 2009 or I think it was the 2008 nine
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season. But it's like they weren't a
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good team. They just made the playoffs and
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then went on a crazy run. And I think that's kind of, I
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don't want to say that's where the Seahawks are.
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It's a little bit different than that.
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They got the number one seed, but they were just pretty, they
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were pretty good this whole season, but they really ramped
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it up late. But I think just because of the
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situation and everything, I think Vrabel absolutely deserves
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it. I would like to know what
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factors go in to make him coach of the year.
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Is it? The same factors.
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The same factors that decided Bill Belichick wasn't a first
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ballot Hall of Famer. Yeah, imagine.
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Imagine how good Tom Brady could have been.
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I actually don't imagine how good Tom Brady could have been.
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Hall of Fame coach Imagine. Tim, Tim, you're going to have
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to leave. I'm sorry.
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No, no, listen. Just listen.
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Wait, wait, wait, wait. Tim, are you pro Bill Belichick
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not being in the Hall of Fame? No, no, no, I'm not.
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Like, he definitely deserves to be in, but let's think about
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this from a standpoint he gets in. 8 Super Bowls.
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He get, he gets in first ballot. No listen time out.
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I I I've already got this. Super Bowl No.
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Hold on, I only hear Tim's case. I'm about to shred it to pieces.
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OK, so he definitely deserves to be in OK, And I'm not saying
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that he doesn't deserve, but we'll think about it from this
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standpoint. If he got first ballot Hall of
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Fame, OK, then boom, he got he got into the Hall of Fame and
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that's it. But here we are.
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We're on Super Bowl week media row and we're talking Bill
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Belichick not making the Super Bowl.
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That was clearly a, you know, a move that way.
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He just he has a spotlight and he will for sure get in next
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season or the next time he's eligible.
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But I mean, from a standpoint of the media, yeah, I can
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understand why this happened. It this isn't just accidentally
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happened and Robert Kraft didn't get in today Like it this isn't
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accidentally, guys. This is done for a reason.
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So your your take here is that they rigged the system so it
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would still be talking about Belichick during Super Bowl?
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Week. Hey, I mean, I've listened to a
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lot of outlets and they're still talking about Bill Belichick not
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making the Hall of Fame. Wait.
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Because it's a travesty. He's he won 8 Super Bowls.
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This is more shocking than I'm not.
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Saying he doesn't deserve it, guys, I'm just saying from a
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standpoint, I can understand that.
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The media, you know, it gives the media something to talk
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about. And let's face it, Bill Polian
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has a grudge because he whooped on the Colts all those years.
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I just don't think I just don't. Is there a better coach than
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Bill Belichick? Like if I mean, if we're talking
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a whole thing, how many coaches are in the Hall of Fame?
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How many of those coaches are better than Bill Belichick?
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His haircut is better than Bill Belichick.
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OK, now you really got, maybe now you really got to leave.
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Tim, come on. I know you're just warming up,
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but come on, man. Anyways, back to Coach of the
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year here. So before I give who I would
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pick, I just want to say I think all five of these coaches
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deserve to win Coach of the year.
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But if I had a vote for coach of the year, here's how I would
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narrow it down. I would first eliminate Mike
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McDonald. I understand that his team won
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14 games and he was the one seed.
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But when McDonald took over this team two years ago, they were
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nine and eight the year before. You know, he won double digit
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games in his first season as head coach, and I'm not
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discrediting him at all, but he didn't take over like a four
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win, three win team. He took over a team that had
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nine wins for the last two seasons before he got there.
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He already had a very solid team before he was the head coach, so
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it's not like some of these other guys who are working with
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teams that won four games a year before.
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Mike McDonald was a great coach, but I would eliminate him for
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that reason. I would eliminate Couch.
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Pause right there. Can I pause you right there?
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Make a counter argument for Mike McDonald.
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I think Mike McDowell should get it because he took his three
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skill players right. You had Gino, you had DK and you
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had Tyler Lockett and you said you 3 are not getting me to the
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Super Bowl. All three of you out.
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I will find that literally anybody else.
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And that's what he did. And now look at where he's at
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3:00. Players don't make a team coach.
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Three players could complete a team.
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When you have when you have a. He saw the problem and said
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you're out. But when you have a overall
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solid team, the overall solid team won nine games two years in
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a row, I understand there's pieces you could put in, but the
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Jaguars sucked, like forever. It's not like they were winning
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nine games and Liam Cohen just stepped in and won 13 games.
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You know, they traded for Jacoby Myers and then went on a hot
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streak. They got the right player in and
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then we're really good. Same thing Mike McDonald did,
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got the if anything and went on history.
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If anything, you could say John Schneider for GM of the year, I
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mean. Absolutely.
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Absolutely. So it might be, it might be more
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of like the two of them combined, so less of a coach,
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less of a full GM, but like together, like they've created
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magic this season. For sure, and that's why I asked
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the question, what criteria goes into actually awarding Coach of
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the Year? Mike Vrabel, I think, makes all
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personal decisions over there. I'm pretty sure the GM, they
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don't have AGMI, don't really know how that works in New
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England. They don't really want people to
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know how it works in New England, which is fine.
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They're not Hall of Fame worthy over there anyway, who cares?
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So Mike Vrabel made all these personal decisions, brought a
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bunch of people in, paid Milton Williams, the highest amount
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anybody has ever made as a New England Patriot, and what's it
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get all the way to the Super Bowl?
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So if we're depending on the criteria we're talking about, if
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we're talking about offseason acquisition and how that got you
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in the season, then I think it should be between Mike McDonald
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and Mike Vrabel. Sorry, Joe, I keep cutting you.
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Off you go. Yeah, stop.
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Come on. But anyways, I would eliminate
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Kyle Shanahan because he's won double digit games five times in
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his career. He's been to four NFC
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Championship games and two Super Bowls.
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This is just what we expect from Kyle Shanahan and I feel like
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most of the time this award goes to a coach who did something we
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didn't expect. So for me, coach of the year
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really comes down to three coaches for me, Liam Cohen, Ben
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Johnson and Mike Rabel. Liam Cohen took the Jags from 4
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and 13 to 13 and four and he's the only coach in NFL history to
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win 12 or more games as a first year head coach after taking
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over a team that had four or less wins the season before.
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When you think about a successful franchise, do you
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think about the Jaguars? Absolutely not.
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But Liam Cohen just came in with the team that he was given and
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won 13 games in his first season as a Jaguars head coach.
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Then you've got Ben Johnson, who I think is the popular pick
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because of the hype he received for the award before the season.
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And he lived up to the hype. He completely changed the way
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that this team operated. He changed the identity of this
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team. If you took last year's Bears
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team and you put them in those same late game situations as
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this year's Bears team, they probably lose every single time.
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But Ben Johnson helped this Bears team to grow up.
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And then finally you've got Mike Vrabel, who also took over a
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four and 13 team and got fourteen wins.
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He took a team that had four wins, brought in a bunch of
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guys, got them to quickly buy into his system.
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He got a second year quarterback to be a finalist for MVP and
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possibly might be the MVP. And so all three of these guys
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to me are the most impressive coaches of the year.
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Yes. Will, I know you think that
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Matthew Stafford is going to win it, but I said might.
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I did say might, just so you know.
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That's why I only glared at you. I didn't say any words.
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So if I was voting for coach of the year, I would personally
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vote for Liam Cohen because he won 13 games with the Jaguars,
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which is almost unheard of with the Patriots.
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They have a history of a being a winning franchise and so it's
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more expected from the Patriots than it is from the Jaguars.
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Nobody expects the Jaguars to ever be good.
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Nobody thought the Jaguars were going to be good this year
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because it's the Jaguars. So I would personally go with
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Liam Cohen, but I don't think there's a really a wrong choice
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here. Definitely not.
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There is a wrong choice. Except for Carroll.
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Kyle Shane, No, Kyle Shane. I would give Pete Carroll votes
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because you have to put up in Vegas for Kyle Shane.
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All right, anyways, let's move on to Offensive Rookie of the
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Year. So the finalists for this award
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are Jackson Dart, and that's it. Jackson Dart.
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All right, let's go. No Jackson Dart and Mecca Ibuka,
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Trevion Henderson, Tetzaroa McMillan and Tyler Shuck.
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So well. Why don't you start us on this
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one? Who do you think's going to win
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Offensive Rookie of the Year? Ted McMillan, I think if Tyler
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Chuck plays the whole year, I think he's another favorite shot
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at it now. Notably gave that man a lot of
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crap and gave the sink a lot of crap.
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And then he kind of said, I'm going to just figure this out.
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You forget I'm actually like almost 30 years old.
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I'm an adult to make decisions. I'm not some young Jackson Dart
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kid who still thinks I have to have be all cool.
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So if it wasn't just the last, just the last few weeks of the
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season, I would give it to to Tyler Shuck, but but to me it
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goes to to Ted McMillan. I of course don't have the stats
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for that because I wasn't. Oh, I do 70 catches on 122
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targets, 1014 yards and seven touchdowns.
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Yeah, great. If that's a veteran, he's
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getting a, he's getting a contract extension.
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And that's how that works. If that's in your contract here,
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you're getting an extension. You don't expect any, you don't
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expect anybody in the Panthers to have those kind of numbers.
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You don't expect anybody being thrown the ball by Bryce Young
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to have those kind of numbers. And that just happens to be
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both. It's Ted McMillan to me, and I
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expect more from him moving on moving forward.
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Excuse me by. Avery and Tim, do you guys have
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anybody other than Ted? No, I got Ted.
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Yeah, I did it. Yeah, I have Will wins.
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I definitely have somebody other than Ted.
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Although I will say Will very well said.
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An argument can be made for, I mean, realistically, 3 out of
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these five candidates. And I think when it comes down
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to it, I wish Tyler Shook would have started the season instead
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of the Saints. Wasted half of a season with
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Spencer Rattler. I couldn't even think of his
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name because he was that crappy. But.
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If they would have started with Tyler Shook, I think he hands
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down wins the rookie of the year.
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But really it can come down to a coin flip between Ted and
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Jackson Dart. I think Jackson Dart does get it
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though, because his number one wide receiver wins.
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Jackson Dart. OK, his starting running back,
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his bowling ball of a running back goes down, he has a crappy
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offensive line, he has a head coach that gets fired in the
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middle of the season, and he still managed to go 2272 yards,
20:44
15 touchdowns, 5 interceptions, 86 carries for 487 yards, 9
20:49
touchdowns. And now you know that's without
20:53
weapons. Imagine if he would have had
20:56
Malik Neighbors and KM Scataboo that didn't get hurt and he had
21:01
that. I think he would have put up MVP
21:03
type numbers. And so for me, I'm going to go
21:06
with Jackson Dart. I'd like to go back to my answer
21:10
because all I said was yes or I did.
21:13
I also was considering Jackson, but my main reason for going
21:17
full tilt on Tet is mainly just because like, hey, he actually
21:21
did it. There's a whole lot of you know,
21:23
oh, you know, oh, Malik neighbors would have had a great
21:26
season. We should give him, you know,
21:27
Pro Bowl honors or something. It's like, hey, but but I mean,
21:30
he didn't and that's that is part of it, you know, avoiding
21:32
injuries and all this. And I think that, I mean, at
21:35
this point, the Pro Bowl is just as credible as the Hall of Fame.
21:37
So. Justin Fields turned down the.
21:40
Should Shadur. Is better, right?
21:42
Now Shadur is better than Bill Belichick.
21:44
That's what the NFL is trying to tell us.
21:47
How many proposed did Belichick make?
21:49
That's true. That's true at least one less
21:53
than Shadur. But All in all, like, I mean,
21:56
and and this comes from a Bucks fan who really wanted Ibuka to
22:00
win it. Ted just did it and it was on
22:03
the Panthers with Bryce Young, who the year before, you know,
22:06
this I, I mean, yeah, they got I, I mean, it wasn't Ted the
22:10
first. Was he the first receiver
22:12
picked? Oh yeah, yes.
22:14
Yeah, I mean, even then it's kind of like, it sounds a little
22:17
bit like like a quarterback going to The Jets where it's
22:19
like cool receiver going to the Panthers right now.
22:22
It's like, who knows if this man's even going to get the
22:24
ball, you know? So I, I feel like because of
22:26
that, because of the odds he had to overcome to be a basically, I
22:30
mean, he's already 1000 yard receiver.
22:33
And I think as much as Dart, you know, was exciting, I, I wanted
22:38
to watch every game he was playing in, you know, even that
22:42
even with that, I do still think that Ted put up the production
22:46
and earned the award. Well, I think you guys are all
22:49
wrong. I think Trayvon Henderson wins
22:52
Rookie of the Year. If you look at no, if you look
22:57
at Emeki Ibuka, Ted McMillan and Trayvon Henderson, I think those
23:01
are the three guys who have the best chance to win in.
23:04
But Abuka started the season off hot and then he faded towards
23:07
the end of the season. Ted McMillan, he was more
23:10
consistent throughout the season, but he did drop off a
23:12
little bit towards the end of the season as well.
23:15
But then you've got Trayvon Henderson who is kind of the
23:17
opposite. He started off very slow, but
23:20
then towards the end of the season he came on really strong
23:22
and he actually finished with more total yards.
23:25
And I know this is a running back compared to wide receivers,
23:28
but he finished with more total yards in both Tet and Abuka.
23:31
So he had 1132 total yards, 911 rushing yards, and 221 receiving
23:37
yards, and he had 10 total touchdowns.
23:40
Tet had 7 touchdowns and Abuka had six.
23:42
Trayvon Henderson had more yards and more touchdowns than both of
23:46
those guys, and he did 911 rushing yards on only 180
23:51
carries. He didn't even have 200 carries
23:53
when Trayvon Henderson was given the opportunity.
23:55
He was fantastic for the Patriots.
23:58
Now, I don't know why they didn't use them in some games
24:01
the way that they should have. They just didn't.
24:03
But when he was in there, he was electrifying.
24:06
He had a lot of very long runs, specifically against the
24:09
Buccaneers, which was not fun to watch, but he was electrifying
24:14
when he was in the game. I think he deserves to win
24:17
Rookie of the Year because overall I think if he had, if
24:20
you give him 200 carries, he's easily, easily over 1000 rushing
24:24
yards. But again, he has more total
24:26
yards and more touchdowns than both of the wide receivers who
24:30
are in the race for this award. So my only knock on everyone I
24:36
guess except Ibuka and in favor of Tet is that Tet started all
24:41
17 games. He was the premier guy all 17
24:46
games. Shouldn't that be a case for
24:49
Trayvon Henderson though? Because even though he didn't
24:51
start all 17 games, he had better stats than Ted.
24:54
I get what you're saying and I don't think so because the same
24:57
same thing we could say for Tyler Schruck.
24:59
I hope you've played more and I guess you're what you're saying
25:01
is that Henderson played last and had better stats.
25:04
I think team scheme comes in a lot there and obviously that's
25:08
how anybody wins any award as the team gives them the ball and
25:11
then they get to score points. But I think you got to kind of
25:14
give the knock to the fact that he's on the Panthers, he's got
25:18
Bryce Young and he's still put up over 1000 yards in his rookie
25:22
season. All right, well, let's move on
25:23
to Defensive Rookie of the Year. Does anybody not have Carson
25:28
Swessinger? I mean, who else?
25:31
Who else? Avery, I'm assuming that means
25:35
you do have him since he didn't say anything.
25:37
OK. All right, Tim, why is it not
25:39
Carson Schwessinger? I'm going to go with a safety.
25:43
Yes, a safety I know. I'm going with Xavier Watts.
25:47
He had 96 tackles as a safety. He had five interceptions, 11
25:52
pass breakups. And then you're looking at, you
25:54
know, like I said, 96 tackles as a safety, 59 of it was solo, 37
25:59
assisted. Like I said, 5 interceptions, 11
26:01
pass defended and one fumble recovery.
26:04
So I think really, I mean Xavier Watts, you know, he could easily
26:10
take this from Carson. It probably will be Carson,
26:13
let's be real. But I'm just saying it could be
26:16
a safety that wins Rookie of the Year and my boy Xavier Watts
26:21
from Notre Dame. Oh, now I see why you're picking
26:23
him. OK, I think you can make a case
26:25
for really four out of the five guys.
26:28
I I don't honestly know why Abdul Carter is even on this
26:31
list. Abdul Carter only had four sacks
26:33
the whole season. He had a half a sack in Week 1
26:35
and then his next sack didn't come until their 13th game of
26:38
the year, which is surprising because that's who we all be
26:40
like. Everybody picked Abdul Carter to
26:42
be Defensive Rookie of the Year, and to me, he should be last
26:46
place on this list. Out of the finalists, he should
26:48
be last, please. Right.
26:50
Well, Will or Avery, do you guys have anything you want to say
26:52
about Carson Schwesinger? Because US 3.
26:55
Have him as winning the year. So he was all over the field.
26:59
156 tackles, that's combined 67. I know what I said solo 89
27:04
assists, 11 of them were for loss, 11 tackles for loss, 9 QB
27:09
hits. So he was in there affecting the
27:11
play and the Browns were always on defense.
27:13
So this dude was always playing. He ended up with two
27:16
interceptors on the season, and so safety Xavier Watts got five.
27:22
Well, middle linebacker Carson Schwesinger got 2.
27:25
That's not a huge difference when you're talking interception
27:28
numbers. There is a difference in 60
27:30
tackles between the two guys though.
27:31
Yeah, and that's huge. And and the fact that he was
27:36
always there making the play. I couldn't think of a better
27:39
teammate to have as Carson Schwesinger, Zen, Miles,
27:42
Garrett, the possible, the defensive player of the year.
27:47
Maybe we'll see. But that brown scene was bad so
27:49
maybe they won't give it the swath injure either.
27:50
So. My only push back on that is,
27:54
let's be real, he did just play right, like next to Mason Graham
27:58
and Myles Garrett. I mean, they kind of opened up a
28:02
lot for him is all I'm trying to.
28:04
Say, OK, then Matthew Stafford shouldn't win MVP because he had
28:07
Puka Nikola and Devonte Adams and offensive line we should get
28:12
We'll send it klibet, klibet. Some country bumpkins who?
28:16
Did Drake Mays winning it? That's why Drake Mays winning it
28:18
will. Oh, he had Stefan Davies and and
28:21
Rookie of the year candidate Trivian Henderson Digs.
28:25
Yeah, I, I, I just, we can't take away from him because he
28:30
played with good players. I'm not taking away from him,
28:33
I'm just saying that you. Were doing that, you were
28:38
saying, well he had good players beside him so.
28:41
Let's be. No, he had miles.
28:43
Garrett there's like a there's a difference, like having Miles
28:46
Garrett like that you're playing with and then having like, you
28:50
know, somebody else if he had somebody else.
28:52
That's Westinger was so good. Hey, if he did not have Miles
28:56
Garrett, does he have the stats that he has?
28:58
That's all I'm asking, I don't think.
28:59
No, he probably has 200 stacks from him.
29:01
Yeah, he. Probably has 200 stacks exactly.
29:04
So OK, 10, let me let me open this up a bit further.
29:08
I don't think Jackson Smith and Jiggba or Luka Nikua are the
29:12
receivers that we have today without having Cooper Cup as a
29:15
teammate. I don't think they are the
29:17
receivers that we see this year without learning from Cooper Cup
29:22
Triple Crown winner. You can't take away anything
29:24
they're doing because they're playing with a all time great at
29:29
one at one time in his career, the greatest that did it.
29:33
You can't take away from from who you learned from that should
29:36
be you should be commending him. Hey, you young buck learned from
29:41
the old head and actually did well with it.
29:44
It should be a good thing and a bad thing.
29:46
How many kids do you know that are Schlessinger's age, 2524
29:49
years old, to ask you to listen to anybody?
29:52
I know so many kids. RIP it, RIP it.
30:02
This is just me arguing against you will.
30:04
That's all it is. That's fine, I'd love to argue.
30:07
I'm good at it. All right.
30:08
Does anybody have anything else to add with any of these awards
30:11
that we've talked about? Nope.
30:12
OK, let's move on to the Super Bowl.
30:15
Avery, who's winning the Super Bowl?
30:17
Seahawks. I know I said earlier that I
30:20
thought the Patriots would win. I saw that I said that early on.
30:24
But I'm changing my vote and I think they just got too much
30:27
firepower. And I think if Drake May or
30:30
anyone turns the ball over, it's just like rolling a snowball
30:33
down a snowy mountain. I think it's just going to
30:36
compound and compound and it's just going to be rough.
30:39
It's going to be similar, not as bad.
30:41
It better not be as bad as that. A Broncos Super Bowl where it
30:45
just seemed like this any any mistake they made made just
30:49
turned into 7 points. From the opening snap over by, I
30:53
said. Yeah, I, I feel like they're
30:55
going to, I think, I think they're going to pull this one
30:57
out. Tim, do you agree?
30:59
Hang on. He's looking up who's in the
31:01
Super Bowl. No, no, I, I, I literally was
31:05
doing heads, Patriots, tails Seahawks.
31:08
I, I marginally better. No.
31:14
So OK, here's my thing. Everybody's saying that the the
31:19
Seahawks are 4 1/2 favorites and that kind of scares me.
31:23
And Mike Vrabel has experience as a player in the Super Bowl,
31:29
so he knows at from a player standpoint what it takes to win
31:34
one, win multiple at that. And let's let let's be real,
31:39
Clint Kubiak is already focused on how life is going to be in
31:43
Las Vegas when he takes that head coaching job come Monday
31:46
morning. So I don't think the Seahawks
31:48
offense is going to be nearly as good as what we have seen all
31:51
season. I think Kubiak is already going
31:53
to be thinking about what he's going to be doing with Mendoza
31:56
and Brock Bowers and Ashton Genti.
31:59
And so I just think that with the experience of Mike Rabriel
32:03
and Kubiak already out the door, I think the Patriots squeak out
32:08
one. Will, would you like to respond
32:10
I'm. Going to go first.
32:12
Sure. If that's OK, well.
32:14
Yeah, no, I, I, Your Honor, I, I forfeit my time to Avery.
32:20
I. Normally, I would not say that
32:23
Kubiak taking that job would affect them because that's what
32:26
I believed when Oregon's offensive and defensive
32:31
coordinators got head coaching jobs.
32:34
And I'm like, they've got this set.
32:35
The team knows what they were doing.
32:37
And then they played Indiana and it looks like they had never had
32:42
an offensive or defensive coordinator before.
32:44
So that could actually be something there.
32:47
I hope it's not. I hope they're all professionals
32:50
and can remember what they've been doing the whole season.
32:53
But. Hey.
32:54
Hey, Joel. I don't think it's, I don't
32:56
think it's nothing. You're the stat guy.
32:58
What's the percentage of underdogs winning the Super
33:02
Bowl? I didn't look that up because I
33:04
don't think it matters. Why is that?
33:07
Why? Is it because any team can beat
33:09
any team on any day? Well, yeah, but I mean that we
33:11
could say that about every other game where there's a underdog
33:14
and a favorite. I mean, there has to be some
33:17
kind of percentage of underdog to favorite that wins.
33:20
I don't pay attention. I don't pay attention to the
33:23
underdogs because I don't do the whole betting stuff.
33:25
So the 4 1/2 point, I don't even know what that means.
33:28
I don't even know what. That means it just means that
33:30
they're favored by. I have no idea.
33:32
So. Means that people with money
33:34
that are addicts and degenerates believe that the Seahawks will
33:38
win. It means that degenerates
33:40
believe that someone will win. That's what it means.
33:42
It's it's not stats. It's.
33:44
It's five and then that with money it will be by.
33:47
Also also, how can you be favored by 4 1/2 when you can't
33:50
win by 4 1/2? You can't win by 4 1/2 points.
33:53
That's why it doesn't make any sense to me.
33:55
You can't. That it's just.
33:57
It's just a line. It's just, yeah, it's just a
33:59
bet. I don't even know what that
34:00
means. I know, I know literally 0% of
34:04
things about betting. Zero.
34:05
That's a good thing. That's a good.
34:06
Thing that's a great Yeah, as I say, every time I bring up
34:09
betting, we don't gamble on this show.
34:11
But no, yeah, so I would agree with Tim's Quincubiak theory if
34:21
it hadn't already been disproved time and time again in this
34:24
playoff run. This is not new news that Clint
34:27
Kubiak's going at the Raiders. It may have come out recently,
34:31
but they are. You made this decision.
34:34
It just wasn't public yet. Clint Kubiak's been going at the
34:36
Raiders for probably about 3-4 weeks now.
34:40
That's not new. Just like when Chris Shula, Nate
34:43
Scheelhaus and all the other assistants out there were
34:47
getting head coaching jobs and yet their teams were still
34:50
winning. This is not a new thing.
34:53
I truly believe This is why college football is so jacked
34:58
right now is because their free agency period, their transfer
35:02
portal is in the middle of the playoffs.
35:04
That has got to stop. Could you imagine how crazy the
35:07
NFL would be if free agency was going on right now for every
35:10
team that already been eliminated?
35:12
That's wild behavior. Wild.
35:15
So I think, truly think that Kubiak saying Raiders will get
35:20
to you. Was it February 9th?
35:22
I'm all yours right now. Not even a little bit.
35:26
I will meet with Mark Davis. I will meet with whoever the GM,
35:30
Tom Brady, excuse me, whoever the GM is, Tom Brady's not the
35:33
GM, but he's basically, I will meet with all these guys after I
35:37
want to ring and bring it, bring it to Vegas with me.
35:41
So I don't think it's going to have any effect.
35:43
Kubiak is called an absolutely outstanding playoffs.
35:47
And you know who hasn't had and called an outstanding playoffs?
35:51
Anybody on the Patriots. I mean, Drake Mays drew for 86
35:55
yards last week, completed 10 passes, 10 to 2186 yards.
35:59
Starting to sound like a parrot from a week ago, but Drake May
36:03
has played abysmal. He's barely over 50% completion
36:06
percentage in the playoffs. And now we're going to the
36:09
biggest stage where the fans who were there don't give a RIP
36:13
about the game. It's all corporate now.
36:15
You're going to hear cheering, but it's all business and
36:18
corporate. And yes they may be football
36:19
fans, but the amount of actual Patriot and actual Seahawks fans
36:24
at the game, you're not. Your average Joe fan isn't
36:27
paying 10s of thousands if not 20s and thousands of dollars.
36:31
I don't know how expensive tickets are this year, but I'm
36:33
pretty sure last I saw the nosebleeds were in the $40,000
36:36
range. That is mega corporations buying
36:39
tickets to give out to vendors as, hey, if I give you this,
36:43
you'll give me kickback. It's all just a corporate game,
36:46
so you're not going to have real fans there.
36:48
And so the momentum swings aren't going to be as big
36:50
anymore. I think the Seahawks showed it
36:53
when they kept the foot on the gas against the liners.
36:59
They showed it. They showed it when they took
37:04
the Rams all the way to the very end and said we're not going to
37:07
let you win. No matter what happens, we won't
37:10
do it. And we're going to see it again.
37:12
Because they played multiple teams who have been good and it
37:15
would've been very easy against the Niners to let up and be
37:18
like, OK, well we've got this in the bag.
37:20
And then they give that game up. And if you play to not win, you
37:23
play to loose. As we've already seen them have
37:26
both hard fought game and easy one game in the playoffs.
37:29
And they're going to stick it to the Patriots like the Patriots
37:32
have yet to be stuck before. I do expect a Broncos Seahawks
37:36
Super Bowl again. I'll respond to that, though,
37:38
will, because I get that the Patriots may not have been
37:42
playing very good football in the playoffs, but guess what
37:44
they've been doing? They've found ways to win, and
37:48
that's all that matters. Yep, that's all that matters.
37:50
Again, it's incredibly bad offenses.
37:52
It doesn't matter. They found ways to win.
37:54
That is true, you're right. The Seahawks have found ways to
37:56
win while looking competent and. That's looking very good.
38:01
If you taken it, you know, an unstoppable train and an even
38:04
better, bigger looking unstoppable train, you know.
38:08
Yeah, but at the end of the day, at the end of the day, look,
38:11
what's that matters, the WS and the LS, It does not matter how
38:15
you get there. What happens in the game, all
38:18
people talk about is did you win that game or did you lose that
38:21
game and that's all that matters.
38:23
Well. Well, that's what we're talking
38:25
about. We have two teams that have been
38:26
doing that. So it's not like we're talking
38:28
about like, is this team going to like, does this team know how
38:30
to win? They both know how to win.
38:33
When you take two teams that know how to win, you put them
38:35
against each other. That's what we're talking about.
38:37
Of course, they've all made it. I mean, they've all made it to
38:39
the Super Bowl, so they've all found ways to win.
38:42
Now we're pitting them against each other though.
38:44
Look, I'll say I am picking the Seahawks to win the Super Bowl,
38:48
but I'm not counting the Patriots out because I think the
38:52
Patriots have this big chip on their shoulder going into the
38:54
Super Bowl because everybody thinks that they're going to
38:57
lose. If you're not a Patriots fan,
38:59
you probably think that the Seahawks are going to win the
39:01
Super Bowl, but I think that actually might work in the
39:04
Patriots favor because they're going to go into this game like
39:07
the 2017 Eagles with their backup quarterback, where nobody
39:10
thinks they're going to win. Nobody thinks they're going to
39:12
win except for their fans. But I do think that the Patriots
39:15
can compete with the Seahawks because they have this chip on
39:17
their shoulder and nobody thinks they're going to win.
39:20
But they've all they've been doing is just winning the whole
39:22
time against these great defenses.
39:25
And I know their offenses haven't been great, but still
39:27
they've been winning. So I think the Patriots, I don't
39:30
think you should count them out. I'm picking the Seahawks, but I
39:33
don't think you should count the Patriots out.
39:34
I think it was somebody that you guys BN, Orlovsky maybe said.
39:38
With 31 other quarterbacks, the Texans win that game.
39:43
Like like that's just the way that goes.
39:44
Even if the game had been played two weeks before, maybe CJ
39:50
Stroud doesn't throw 3 picks and and throw a full picture of how
39:54
many threw that game and throw that game away.
39:57
I just think that yes, they've been playing incredible
39:59
defenses, but they've been playing terrible offenses and
40:02
that is not the Seahawks. And I think you're right, the
40:06
Patriots could keep it close. I just don't think it's going to
40:09
happen. They could, I just don't Asian.
40:13
OK, so let's talk about some coaching hires.
40:15
I want to talk about some coaching hires and I wanted to
40:18
talk about best and worst. But since we like pissing off
40:21
people on the Internet, let's just talk about the worst
40:24
coaching hires. So, Tim, let us know which
40:28
coaching hire do you think is the worst?
40:30
So I'm going to say that I think that the worst head coaching
40:35
hire has got to either be A Todd Monken or B Mike McCarthy.
40:42
Not a, not a fan of either one of those.
40:44
We're now in a situation where the Cincinnati Bengals might
40:48
just walk away with this division because you hired Mike
40:50
McCarthy and Todd Monken. I don't understand why Todd went
40:54
to be a head coach. Maybe this is his like
40:56
retirement party. Like, hey, I'm out the door.
40:59
This is going to be the last time I ever get offered a head
41:02
coaching job. I don't know why the Browns
41:04
would have offered him that. I don't really understand the
41:07
Mike McCarthy one because I don't feel like Mike McCarthy
41:11
get you over that hump. I feel like Mike McCarthy will
41:15
have about he'll win 9 or 10 games, make the playoffs and
41:19
lose in the first round. Just kind of like what Mike
41:21
Tomlin has done. It's lateral.
41:23
It's a lateral move. Lateral, you're the exact same
41:25
team. I'm not a fan of either one of
41:27
those. Probably would learn more toward
41:29
the Steelers because after Mike Tomlin, you need somebody that's
41:33
going to, you know, take you to that next level.
41:35
Cause Mike Tomlin for 19 seasons had a winning record.
41:39
He has Super Bowl, he has playoff appearances, but he also
41:42
has first round exit after first round exit.
41:45
So I think you need a coach that elevates you to the AFC
41:48
championship, into another Super Bowl.
41:50
And Mike McCarthy is not that guy.
41:52
And he still believes in Aaron Rodgers.
41:54
So if I had to pick out of the two, I hate Mike McCarthy going
41:59
to the Steelers the most. Will what do you think?
42:01
What's the worst coaching hire? Now, Mike McCarthy, that's for
42:04
sure. You like that?
42:06
Oh I true. Truly this is not rage bait.
42:10
Truly I love the Mike McCarthy hire.
42:14
I'm with Will. Love.
42:15
It with will love it all the way to my core.
42:18
I think this was a wonderful hire by the Steelers because for
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the same reason, Joel, the same reason you said that the
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Buccaneers didn't fire Todd Bowles.
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We're just going to wait for a short term gap and then get the
42:30
coach we actually want, OK? That's we keep holding on is the
42:35
coach we actually want you hired?
42:37
Mike McCarthy, born and raised Yenzer from Pittsburgh, grew up
42:42
a Steelers fan. His dad was as Pittsburgh
42:44
firefighter and police officer. He also owned a local bar.
42:48
All right, Mike McCarthy, Pittsburgh throwing the route.
42:51
Also Mike McCarthy, Aaron Rodgers reunion, one last go at
42:56
it to get to the wild card round and lose again.
42:58
Sure, but what are we expecting from them?
43:01
Well, you're expecting a couple years of Mike McCarthy and then
43:05
moving on. Yeah, but the but the Steelers
43:07
have had three coaches since 1969.
43:09
OK, well, cool. Now they're going to have three
43:13
coaches in 10 years. Congratulations.
43:16
Times change. I just think that this Mike
43:19
McCarthy hire is such a good stop gap because there were not
43:23
the coaches out there that you wanted.
43:26
But like, you're not getting Kurt Zignetti from college.
43:28
That's not happening this year. It's just not happening.
43:31
You're not getting the next. Who's the next hot young guy?
43:35
Don't. Click that.
43:37
You're not getting that guy this year.
43:40
It's not happening. You're waiting for more people
43:42
to come up in the ranks to show themselves as the right person.
43:46
So why not go with a guy who's a proven Pittsburgh guy, a proven
43:50
leader, proven he can win. He has won the Super Bowl
43:54
before. He did not do well in Dallas.
43:57
But I think we're going complete opposite here.
44:00
You're going from overbearing owner to do what you want, make
44:05
my team win owner. I think it's a completely
44:07
different scenario and I absolutely love it.
44:09
I think personally, to answer the question you asked, the work
44:13
tire, Kevin Stefanski, I think that's the work tire.
44:16
I think that you watch that guy just decimate the Browns over
44:21
the last how many seasons Deshaun Watson should do.
44:24
Sanders. Dylan Gabriel?
44:26
Yeah, he wouldn't coach the year, but guess what?
44:28
He has. Fumbled the balls, by the way.
44:31
Doesn't matter. He has fumble the ball so many
44:33
times recently on that Browns team.
44:35
He's rumors came out and if the rumors are coming out, that
44:39
means it's probably some validity to it that he just
44:43
didn't like Shoulder Sanders. I mean, there's a whole lot of
44:46
conspiracy I can go into here with his wife's grandpa and
44:50
Deion Sanders. I already talked about that.
44:52
I don't know if we were recording it or not, but I have
44:54
already talked about it. I just think that you are
44:56
handing the keys to your team over to a guy who holds grudges
45:01
and makes bad deals already and you are uncertain as as the
45:07
Falcons. You don't have a quarterback.
45:09
You have a wonderful offense, you have a great team.
45:12
You don't have a quarterback. And who's the man that's fumbled
45:14
quarterback hires? I mean, he shipped Baker
45:17
Mayfield out. And then what has he had since
45:19
then? Terribleness.
45:21
He got Joe Flacco out of there, you know, brought him in, did
45:24
great. Sorry, you're doing good.
45:25
You're gone. He cannot be trusted to pick a
45:28
good quarterback, and when he does get a good one, he ships
45:31
him out. This is the wrong hire at the
45:33
wrong time. I didn't think about that
45:34
quarterback thing honestly, but I like that now that he's now
45:37
that you mentioned that, I actually actually hate that
45:40
hire. But that's good because I'm a
45:42
Bucks fan and I hate the Falcons so.
45:44
You should love that hire. As a Bucks fan, that guy is the
45:48
worst quarterback guru I've ever seen.
45:51
If Mike McCarthy's a quarterback whisperer, which he has been
45:53
said before, Bruce Arians quarterback whisperer, worked
45:56
with Tom Brady, worked with all these guys.
45:57
Evan Svansky is the exact opposite.
45:59
He's a quarterback killer. Metaphorically, of course.
46:03
All right, well, Avery, who do you think is the worst coaching
46:05
hire? I want to give a shout out to
46:08
Stefansky. I kind of put him and what's his
46:12
name, Hafley, Jeff Hafley. I hate that hire too.
46:16
I. Just.
46:17
Forgot about that. Look at that.
46:18
And I'm like, oh cool, we got a middle of the road guy to go to
46:23
a slightly lower than middle of the road team.
46:26
This is going to be perfect. It just seemed like they just
46:30
needed a guy. Yeah, it just, it just seemed
46:33
like a warm body just like, well, we could, we could bring
46:37
him. And you know, I thought, I
46:39
thought the Packers underperform defensively.
46:42
I thought the Micah Parsons thing was, I mean, maybe they
46:45
just suffered from the hype they got when they got that
46:48
acquisition, but grossly underperformed and then he fell
46:54
upward. I completely agree with Will's
46:57
take on Stefanski. I think he's garbage.
47:01
I that's just me speaking personally.
47:03
I don't even have any stats for that also comes from the Browns.
47:06
I just think, cool, let's let's pull some, you know, toxic crap
47:10
out of out of Cleveland and put him over here.
47:13
The other one is I totally agree with Will on Mike McCarthy.
47:16
Agree with basically everything he said.
47:18
I think the connection is awesome.
47:20
I think especially for the Steelers having that more kind
47:23
of home grown feel or just sticking around with a coach for
47:25
a long time. I think even if this isn't your
47:27
guy, it's like, dude, you got a home grown dude here.
47:31
As a Carolina fan, I like seeing guys that are from Carolina or
47:35
went to Carolina. Being the coach, it keeps it
47:37
all, you know, in the family, you know, and especially when
47:40
you have a massive program like Carolina or like the Pittsburgh
47:43
Steelers, I think that that's a great hire.
47:45
Also, to be fair, from my perspective, I thought Mike
47:49
McCarthy was great on the Packers, and then I thought when
47:51
he went to the Cowboys, he was more of just like kind of the
47:54
same thing as Jason Garrett, Wade Phillips, like he's just
47:58
the yes man. Shot and time or no?
48:01
Yeah, and and and I see it as like.
48:02
You say yes man, doing whatever Jerry Jones says.
48:05
Yeah. And so I, I see it as like I, I
48:07
kind of just erase that from my memory as far as like what he's
48:11
capable of. I don't think we've really seen
48:13
that. I don't know if the Steelers are
48:15
going to give him the full keys to the Kingdom.
48:18
You know, I would like to see that.
48:19
I'd like to see him step back into that because I thought him
48:21
and Rogers were magical. I thought they were awesome.
48:25
And so I I think that is an awesome hire.
48:27
But yeah, I think Halfley is just kind of the most
48:32
forgettable and just underwhelming hire.
48:36
I think Stefanski, as much as I don't like that, I'm like, hey,
48:38
maybe they do really great. I just don't see Halfley doing
48:41
any better than Mike did so. Since Aaron was talking about
48:45
the Dallas Cowboys, I'll let you guys know who I think is my
48:49
least favorite coaching hire. It may not be the worst, but
48:51
it's at least my least favorite coaching hire.
48:54
I think the Bills hiring Joe Brady, it feels like a move that
48:57
to Dallas Cowboys would make. It feels like the Bills front
49:01
office called Jerry and said, hey Jerry, we just fired our
49:04
head coach because we weren't good enough.
49:06
You're the best at building teams that aren't good enough.
49:08
How do we continue to be not good enough, Jerry?
49:10
Oh, hire a guy from within who was part of the reason we
49:13
already weren't good enough, let's hire Joe Brady.
49:15
I hate this move for the Bills. I don't think this helps the
49:19
Bills move the needle at all. I think they say the exact same
49:23
because Joe Brady was already part of the reason that they
49:25
weren't good enough. I think they're still going to
49:27
be in that same tier of teams where they're good enough to
49:29
make the playoffs, but they're not good enough to get it done
49:32
in the playoffs. I don't think this move gets
49:34
them anywhere. He's an offensive coach and
49:36
great. The offense is still going to be
49:38
good. They had the best rushing
49:39
offense in the league. They've got Josh Allen.
49:41
They do need a receiver, but without a a white number one
49:43
ride receiver, they're already very good on offense, but what
49:46
about defense? I understand that Josh Allen
49:49
turned the ball over in that Denver game, but they also gave
49:51
up 33 points. You need to have a defense that
49:54
you can rely on in the playoffs, which the Bills do not have.
49:57
And when you hire an offensive coach to do that, I worry about
50:01
what's going to happen to that defense.
50:02
Because an offensive minded coach is probably going to focus
50:06
on building the offense so that they can score 35 points instead
50:09
of 30 so that they can win when their defense gives up 33.
50:13
Did you hear his press conference?
50:15
He says. I am tired of people calling me
50:19
an offensive coach. I am a head coach in the NFL.
50:23
And he goes he goes on this ramp and like he used some words that
50:27
I'm not going to say on this show.
50:29
He basically said that like he can't wait till in practice,
50:32
Josh Allen throws an interception and he used some
50:35
explicit words there. And then he's he goes and I'm
50:39
going to go celebrate with my defense.
50:41
I was like, OK, like maybe this is what you need.
50:44
You you need something, somebody in there to kind of fire up the
50:47
guys because it's kind of been the same old, same old.
50:49
But I don't like higher. But he he does say he is not an
50:54
offensive coach. He is a head coach.
50:56
I want to say to push back a little bit on on Joel's, I guess
51:00
perspective. I think it's actually, I think
51:02
it could be good. The reason I say that is because
51:05
this feels like a grass roots hire more than a like a
51:09
management hire. Josh Allen really likes this
51:12
guy. And I feel like a the Bills have
51:14
been right on the cusp for a long time.
51:17
And I feel like at this point, you need fine tuning.
51:20
You don't need a massive overhaul.
51:22
You need to win in the last game that you need to, you need to
51:25
pull it out. And I feel like with this, I
51:28
feel like it keeps the culture intact, that hunger intact.
51:32
It keeps all the same guys like you needed something, you needed
51:35
something to change. So they got rid of their head
51:37
coach and they brought in a guy that sounds like is a locker
51:40
room favorite. I feel like at that point and,
51:43
and kind of what Tim was saying, you know, he's like, I'm not
51:45
just an offensive guy. That might have been the role
51:47
that they've put him in or the opportunity that was available.
51:51
But I feel like like most coaches, it's like I, I didn't
51:53
get into coaching to be an offensive coach.
51:55
I got into coaching to eventually be a head coach.
51:58
That being said, I I like the idea of when you're right there,
52:02
not completely overhauling everything kind of like what the
52:05
Seahawks did like look what Will was saying.
52:09
We got these pieces. I don't think this is going to
52:11
take us to where we need to go. It is a team sport like Joel
52:14
pointed out, but it's like these pieces need to change.
52:16
We need something here. We need something that isn't a
52:20
drastic overhaul that that could take us to the top and could
52:23
also reset us. So having said that, just seeing
52:27
that, you know, this seems to be one of those hires that was kind
52:30
of dictated by the team rather than the front office or the
52:35
fans of like, oh, who we want. I like that because it seems to
52:39
have come originated at least from, I guess it was internal.
52:43
It was an internal decision, which I like in general.
52:46
Yeah, well, that's how you get head coaches like Chauncey
52:48
Billups, and that's not what we need.
52:51
And Brian Schottenheimer, he was an internal hire for the
52:54
Cowboys. That's why I compared it to the
52:56
Cowboys. It's literally the same thing.
52:58
The only difference is is Schottenheimer was the offensive
53:00
coordinator who didn't call the place and then was promoted to
53:02
head coach, which makes zero sense.
53:05
At least Joe Brady was calling the place.
53:06
At least he was calling the place.
53:08
Can I real quick, just you mentioned this coordinator hire
53:12
that I just absolutely hate. I absolutely like, first of all,
53:16
John Harbaugh going to the Giants.
53:17
I think it was big. I was like, Oh yeah, this is
53:19
cool that NFC East is about to be competitive.
53:22
And then he goes out and brings in Matt freaking Naggy, who
53:27
never called the plays in Kansas City.
53:29
Andy Reid does. So now he has an offensive
53:31
coordinator that didn't call plays.
53:33
And I hate that move more than the Mike McCarthy 1.
53:36
Ask any Bears fan, they'll tell you that Matt Naggy sucks.
53:39
I don't need that sucks, so that checks out.
53:41
There's a reason that Andy Reid called.
53:42
We're back to that already, Will.
53:44
We're back there already. It doesn't take.
53:48
I think I've given the bears enough flowers for the whole
53:51
season Back on Screw the Bears. Not metaphorically, of course.
53:59
All right, Tim, give us your final thoughts and then we'll
54:02
close out the show. Yeah, I mean, we're one game
54:05
away from the season and there should be a really good
54:08
offseason, great head coaching hires.
54:10
A lot of teams got new head coaches, got new coordinators.
54:12
I'm excited for Mike McDaniel to see what he can do with Justin
54:15
Herbert. If, and I will say it right
54:18
here, first on this show before anywhere else, if the Chargers
54:24
do not improve this season, they will never improve.
54:28
And they will be the same old Chargers and the same old
54:31
Chargers and the same old Chargers.
54:33
And they can't do anything with Mike McDaniel then I don't know,
54:37
Like they're they're never going to win and I'll never see a
54:40
Super Bowl in my life. But if he can do half of what he
54:44
did with Tua, with Herbert, I think the offense will be a lot
54:48
better. And I'm excited for this
54:50
offseason. I'm excited for the draft.
54:52
I'm actually about to go back and start watching the Senior
54:56
Bowl and the Senior Bowl practice to start kind of
54:59
getting my rookies to watch. So I'm pretty excited for this
55:02
offseason. Well, Tim, it was good to have
55:04
you. We're glad that your show is
55:05
coming back. We wish you all the best on your
55:07
show and your first episode back next week.
55:10
Guys, it's officially the offseason for every team in the
55:14
NFL. And so that means it's time to
55:16
do some draft evaluations. So next week we will be doing
55:20
some scouting reports. You're going to get a lot of
55:23
this is a player who plays football type of stuff.
55:26
So it should be good. Now we're going to try and we're
55:29
going to try and avoid that. Stuff.
55:31
We're going to try and avoid that stuff this year.
55:33
We're going to do some scouting reports starting next week
55:36
moving forward up to the NFL Draft, so I'm excited for that.
55:40
And with that, guys, that's all we have time for on this
55:42
episode. As always, don't forget to keep
55:45
your balls played with. We'll see you next time.
55:47
Bang, there you go. So Mark Davis's haircut still
55:50
sucks.