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A Brief Intro: Who Are We & Why Are We Antisocial? · The Antisocial Doctors Podcast

• 1:27
  Sonia Singh MD: You are listening to the Antisocial Doctors Podcast, hosted by me, Sonia Singh, a board certified internal medicine physician with a Master's in nutrition and a special interest in health anxiety
• 1:38
  Rebecca Berens MD: and me, Rebecca Barons, a board certified family medicine physician with a special interest in disordered eating.
• 1:43
  Sonia Singh MD: We're also a millennial women anxious moms and curious humans navigating social media.
• 1:48
  Sonia Singh MD: We've seen firsthand how these platforms can be powerful tools for education and connection, but can also make us unwell.
• 1:56
  Rebecca Berens MD: This podcast is meant to be the antidote to your doom.
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  Rebecca Berens MD: Scrolling, a solve for the anxiety, stress, guilt, shame, and confusion that comes from social media's messaging around health.
• 2:05
  Rebecca Berens MD: In each episode, we discuss a health related topic, trending on social media with curiosity, nuance evidence, humility, and compassion.
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  Sonia Singh MD: This is not your average debunking podcast.
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  Sonia Singh MD: We wanna explore not just what is trending on social media, but why?
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  Sonia Singh MD: Why are so many people drawn to this?
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  Sonia Singh MD: What is the nugget of truth here?
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  Sonia Singh MD: What are the facts?
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  Sonia Singh MD: What can we learn from this as patients and doctors?
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  Sonia Singh MD: No shame.
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  Sonia Singh MD: No blame, no snark.
• 2:27
  Rebecca Berens MD: We're so glad you're here.
• 2:41
  Sonia Singh MD: All right, first episode.
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  Sonia Singh MD: Hi, Rebecca.
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  Rebecca Berens MD: I saw.
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  Rebecca Berens MD: Me,
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  Sonia Singh MD: I am so excited to be doing this with you.
• 2:45
  Rebecca Berens MD: I'm also so excited.
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  Sonia Singh MD: We've been talking about this for a few months and I am glad that we finally decided to commit and do it.
• 2:51
  Sonia Singh MD: For the first episode, it's gonna be a little bit different.
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  Sonia Singh MD: We're just gonna introduce ourselves so you can know who we are and why we're antisocial.
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  Sonia Singh MD: Maybe you can start by sharing a little bit about your background and kind of how you got here.
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  Rebecca Berens MD: Yeah.
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  Rebecca Berens MD: So, I'm a family medicine physician and I am in private practice and a direct care practice here in the Houston area.
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  Rebecca Berens MD: And.
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  Rebecca Berens MD: I would say my story probably started all the way back when I was in college.
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  Rebecca Berens MD: I actually struggled with an eating disorder in college and that experience really drew me to, as, as I moved through medical school and residency training really approach my patients from a different perspective, particularly the health at every size perspective.
• 3:27
  Rebecca Berens MD: That is a perspective I learned about during my recovery that I found very useful for myself, and I think really shaped the way that I approach things with patients.
• 3:36
  Sonia Singh MD: Well, I love that.
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  Sonia Singh MD: I also love how open and vulnerable you're willing to be about your own history.
• 3:41
  Sonia Singh MD: I think sometimes as doctors, we're taught to have this mask on where we don't share anything about our personal lives and we never disclose any of that information.
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  Sonia Singh MD: And I think the fact that you're so open about it and willing to be open about it and have used that to inform your practice is just so wonderful.
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  Rebecca Berens MD: Thank
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  Sonia Singh MD: you.
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  Sonia Singh MD: So a little bit about myself.
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  Sonia Singh MD: I am a board certified internal medicine physician.
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  Sonia Singh MD: I am also a primary care, a direct primary care doctor like Rebecca is.
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  Sonia Singh MD: We both practice in Houston, Texas.
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  Sonia Singh MD: I grew up with a dad who was a physician and a mom who had health, anxiety, chronic pain, and a lot of unexplained symptoms.
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  Sonia Singh MD: She also, despite being married to a doctor, didn't believe in western medicine.
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  Sonia Singh MD: So, I joke often.
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  Sonia Singh MD: I grew up in the Bay Area.
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  Sonia Singh MD: I joke that she was crunchy before crunchy was even a thing.
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  Sonia Singh MD: And I found that once I left training and went out into practice, I was attracting a lot of patients like her.
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  Sonia Singh MD: Um, it was not really intentional or something that I was, trying to do, but I noticed it happening and over time I think I realized that I had maybe a different level of empathy and understanding for that patient population.
• 4:41
  Sonia Singh MD: And once I went into direct care and had more time with patients, I found myself embracing that demographic and people who are struggling with those issues and being more and more interested in how we can best serve those patients.
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  Sonia Singh MD: And I think we don't do a great job of that in traditional healthcare.
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  Sonia Singh MD: And I feel like it's something that deserves more time and attention.
• 5:00
  Sonia Singh MD: And so I've kind of, Been drawn to that, for the past year, past few years.
• 5:04
  Sonia Singh MD: And, you know, honestly, I think it, it's funny, I think for both of us, when you look back at your career oftentimes like you're trying to answer a question that came from somewhere earlier in your life.
• 5:13
  Sonia Singh MD: And I think that's kind of true for both of us.
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  Sonia Singh MD: So, the question I'm trying to answer is how do we serve patients better who are dealing with unexplained or chronic symptoms that.
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  Sonia Singh MD: The traditional healthcare system is not addressing.
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  Sonia Singh MD: So I guess the next question would be why are we antisocial and why are we doing this podcast?
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  Rebecca Berens MD: Yeah.
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  Rebecca Berens MD: So I feel like this conversation came up after you and I, you know, we're both in similar mom Facebook groups and we've seen lots of questions and trends, throughout our own time on social media.
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  Rebecca Berens MD: And I think coming from the education background and the career background that we have one perspective on it, but we also have the.
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  Rebecca Berens MD: Patient and mom perspective on it.
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  Rebecca Berens MD: And sometimes it can feel really confusing and difficult to navigate.
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  Rebecca Berens MD: What's true even with the training that we have.
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  Rebecca Berens MD: What's true?
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  Rebecca Berens MD: What, what are we missing?
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  Rebecca Berens MD: Is there something that we didn't know?
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  Rebecca Berens MD: Mm-hmm.
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  Rebecca Berens MD: Because it's something that's coming up for so many different people.
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  Rebecca Berens MD: And so, I think we've seen on social media.
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  Rebecca Berens MD: A lot of professionals now are trying to get onto social media and provide more information, but sometimes it's done in a way that's a little bit shammy or a little bit victim blamey, mm-hmm.
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  Rebecca Berens MD: And just not very nuanced, not really taking into account where people are coming from with these questions and not really getting to the root of why is this an issue in the first place?
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  Rebecca Berens MD: And I think we really wanted to be able to approach those questions from a little bit more nuanced and compassionate way.
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  Sonia Singh MD: Yeah, I think that there's a lot of great people, trying to provide good, accurate information and trying to do the debunking on social media, but the reality is that social media as a platform or as multiple platforms is really not designed for nuance and context and that deeper dive.
• 6:51
  Sonia Singh MD: And so I think, you and I are both on social media.
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  Sonia Singh MD: We make content, but it's really hard to fully.
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  Sonia Singh MD: Address a lot of the issues that come up there in that platform.
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  Sonia Singh MD: The other, just the other day I tried to write a comment on a post that I thought was misleading and Instagram kept not letting me post it'cause there were too many characters and I just kept trying to make it smaller and smaller.
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  Sonia Singh MD: And eventually I was like, no, this thing cannot be explained in less than that many characters.
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  Sonia Singh MD: That's how many I need to accurately, respond to this comment.
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  Sonia Singh MD: I, I think that's why podcasts felt like a little bit more of a natural place and I think.
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  Sonia Singh MD: Both you and I as physicians really craved a resource that we could provide for patients on a lot of these topics.
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  Sonia Singh MD: And when we've looked, when I've looked around, I can't find one that does not have that kind of undertone of snark and blame and shame for people seeking information in this format.
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  Sonia Singh MD: So.
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  Sonia Singh MD: That's, that is why we're antisocial and why we're here.
• 7:44
  Sonia Singh MD: And it's a little bit of a tongue in cheek phrase'cause we're not totally antisocial.
• 7:47
  Sonia Singh MD: We are both on social media.
• 7:48
  Sonia Singh MD: Yeah.
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  Rebecca Berens MD: But we're both pretty introverted and a little bit antisocial media.
• 7:51
  Sonia Singh MD: It's true.
• 7:52
  Sonia Singh MD: It's true.
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  Sonia Singh MD: And in, in terms of why we got so into social media, I guess that's some context to explain is both of us have direct primary care practices and as part of that, we have presence as.
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  Sonia Singh MD: Online, that's kind of part of the way you find patients and market yourself.
• 8:05
  Sonia Singh MD: And so prior to that, I, I think you said you were only following like sewing videos on social media and I was really basically never posting anything.
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  Sonia Singh MD: And I had a rule for myself that I only followed people that I actually knew in real life.
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  Sonia Singh MD: So my feed was very limited and very boring.
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  Sonia Singh MD: And, it was only after I.
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  Sonia Singh MD: Started my practice and created a professional account and really started engaging with people in the health and wellness space on social media that my eyes were open to, what was happening there.
• 8:32
  Sonia Singh MD: And then it was when I was in this model of practice and got to spend more time with my patients and actually hear from them what they're seeing and hearing and believing that I realized gosh, this is a really big deal and we're not doing enough to.
• 8:47
  Sonia Singh MD: Address it basically.
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  Rebecca Berens MD: Yeah.
• 8:49
  Rebecca Berens MD: And that's really how people get sucked into this sort of misleading information is like mm-hmm.
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  Rebecca Berens MD: The, a lot of the information is, oh, your doctor doesn't know about this, or This is what they're not telling you.
• 8:59
  Rebecca Berens MD: And then they bring it up to their doctor and they're totally dismissed or Yeah.
• 9:04
  Rebecca Berens MD: You know, laughed at, and it's.
• 9:05
  Rebecca Berens MD: How can we possibly counteract that information if we're not willing to engage with it and explain and have that nuanced conversation?
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  Sonia Singh MD: Yeah, and the sad part is that all of that takes time.
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  Sonia Singh MD: And in traditional healthcare, it's really hard for doctors and patients to find that time together, or even for doctors to find the time for.
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  Sonia Singh MD: Outside of clinic to get caught up on what's going on on social media and what are actually the facts and really looking into it deeply.
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  Sonia Singh MD: So we're in a unique position where we have the time with patients to do those things.
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  Sonia Singh MD: And we also have the bandwidth as physicians to, embark on a project like this.
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  Sonia Singh MD: So basically.
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  Sonia Singh MD: Each week, we're gonna cover a different topic or in each episode we're gonna cover a different topic, that we see trending on social media.
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  Sonia Singh MD: Each show is gonna be structured the same, where we'll talk about, well, what is the topic and what is the claim?
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  Sonia Singh MD: Why is it viral?
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  Sonia Singh MD: This is the thing that I think a lot of other sites that kind of provide accurate information and debunk things don't necessarily delve into like, why did patients get, why did people get drawn to that?
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  Sonia Singh MD: Why are there so many eyeballs on this in the first place?
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  Sonia Singh MD: And I think.
• 10:02
  Sonia Singh MD: Looking for that answer.
• 10:03
  Sonia Singh MD: You can learn a lot about, what we should be doing better in medicine, honestly.
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  Sonia Singh MD: We'll look at what is the nugget of truth.
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  Sonia Singh MD: 'cause a lot of these things do start, not all of them, but a lot of them do start with some truth.
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  Sonia Singh MD: What are the facts?
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  Sonia Singh MD: And when we talk about facts, we wanna make sure that we're.
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  Sonia Singh MD: Explaining them in a nuanced, accurate way with references and with context, which I think is often missing on social media.
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  Sonia Singh MD: What can we learn from this as doctors and humans?
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  Sonia Singh MD: Humility is something I wanna make sure that we have throughout this podcast and acknowledging where our healthcare system falls short, where we can do better and where we're failing patients but also just what we can learn as human beings about how to navigate social media safely.
• 10:43
  Sonia Singh MD: And then in our show notes, we're gonna include resources for where people can go for more information on some of these topics.
• 10:50
  Sonia Singh MD: Maybe people to follow that, provide accurate information.
• 10:53
  Sonia Singh MD: And we're very open to suggestions about topics that you wanna have covered, or things that you're seeing that you have questions about.
• 11:00
  Rebecca Berens MD: Absolutely.
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  Rebecca Berens MD: And really our goal here is we wanna make this a resource for a patient that wants to have a deeper dive into a trend that they've seen on social media, around a health topic.
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  Rebecca Berens MD: We want it to feel validating.
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  Rebecca Berens MD: We want it to be evidence-based.
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  Rebecca Berens MD: We don't wanna be snarky, we don't wanna blame, we don't wanna have any judgment.
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  Rebecca Berens MD: This is a judgment free zone.
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  Rebecca Berens MD: And we really wanna provide also a resource for doctors to better understand and respond to patient's questions because I think part of the way that we're going to be able to heal that doctor patient relationship is by providing information to doctors as well, who don't have the time that we have to go and do this deep dive.
• 11:34
  Sonia Singh MD: Absolutely.
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  Sonia Singh MD: So we hope you'll stick along for this journey, and, we'd love to hear from you.
• 11:39
  Sonia Singh MD: So if you're, listening and enjoying or not enjoying, please feel free to send us your feedback and, hope you enjoy the show.
• 11:47
  Sonia Singh MD: Hey guys.
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  Sonia Singh MD: Last but not least, we have a very important disclaimer.
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• 12:33
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  Sonia Singh MD: Thanks again for joining us.