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Seth Rogen, Ben Stiller, Melissa McCarthey Funny Business From Movie Historian Matt Singer · Arroe Collins Like It's Live

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Speaker 1: Enjoy your exploration. Hello and good morning.
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Speaker 2: How are you? I'm good.
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Speaker 3: How are you?
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Speaker 1: Absolutely fantastic. Matt, I got to tell you, Matt, this
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Speaker 1: is one of those books that I'm so glad that
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Speaker 1: you have released it. And the reason why is because
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Speaker 1: the majority of these actors that you feature in this
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Speaker 1: have gone on to do serious roles now. And nobody
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Speaker 1: is going to believe me that we had the time
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Speaker 1: of our life in those theaters breaking the rules.
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Speaker 2: You're right.
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Speaker 3: I mean, yeah. I mean, all the people in this book,
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Speaker 3: they're still around. It's not like they've retired or like
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Speaker 3: their careers vanished. But yeah, they're... They're directing cult television
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Speaker 3: series or they're making Netflix shows or, you know, they're
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Speaker 3: doing serious dramas. They're not making movie comedies that play
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Speaker 3: in theaters. It's a it's a it's a little bit
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Speaker 3: of a bummer as a fan of their work, as
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Speaker 3: a fan of movie comedies in general.
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Speaker 2: It was a little depressing.
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Speaker 3: And that was part of the impetus for the book
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Speaker 3: was to look at like, how did this moment happen?
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Speaker 3: And why has, have things changed so much since then?
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Speaker 3: That was kind of what drove me to, to want
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Speaker 3: to write the book.
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Speaker 1: Well, is it all based on the almighty dollar because
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Speaker 1: they weren't selling that much? I mean, I mean, that's
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Speaker 1: the only thing I can figure out because I mean,
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Speaker 1: what would take a Seth Rogen from a place of
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Speaker 1: just unbelievable comedy? And then all of a sudden now
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Speaker 1: he's doing serious roles. I mean, certainly that's, that's a
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Speaker 1: big part of it. And it kind of manifests itself
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Speaker 1: in like all these different ways. It's like, yeah, yes, they,
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Speaker 1: their movies were very successful in like kind of the
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Speaker 1: early 2000s to the 2010s. And then the other movies,
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Speaker 1: you know, a lot of the movies they started to
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Speaker 1: make at that point, they were less successful. They started
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Speaker 1: having some flops, but it wasn't just as simple as like, well,
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Speaker 1: one movie.
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Speaker 2: Did badly and that was it.
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Speaker 3: It's like, if you look at the whole arc of,
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Speaker 3: of Hollywood and in this period, you know, you look
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Speaker 3: at things like the rise of Netflix is kind of
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Speaker 3: happening right at the tail end of their biggest period.
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Speaker 2: And, and, With the rise of.
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Speaker 3: Netflix and streaming came the end of this period where
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Speaker 3: DVDs were huge business. A movie would make– even a
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Speaker 3: movie that wasn't successful in theaters would make back its
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Speaker 3: money on DVD. If you made a comedy with a
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Speaker 3: Will Ferrell and a Vince Vaughn and a couple of
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Speaker 3: other guys, it almost didn't matter what it was or
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Speaker 3: how good it was. Even if it wasn't a huge
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Speaker 3: hit in theaters, it would make tons of money on DVD.
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Speaker 3: And when that dries up, suddenly it's harder to make
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Speaker 3: these movies. They're not as guaranteed to succeed. And that's
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Speaker 3: another factor. And then the bigger that Netflix gets, the
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Speaker 3: more people stay home to watch things.
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Speaker 1: That's it.
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Speaker 3: The more that only movies that are big get made
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Speaker 3: and put into theaters.
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Speaker 2: And so it's like this, it's like a whole....
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Speaker 3: Interconnected bunch of reasons that affected not just these guys,
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Speaker 3: but like the movie comedy business as a whole. And we're, it's,
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Speaker 3: it hasn't changed. That's what, what's happening right now. I mean,
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Speaker 3: when was the last time there was a big comedy
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Speaker 3: movie in theaters? I mean, I can name a couple
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Speaker 3: that have come out in the last year or two.
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Speaker 3: They are all remakes or sequels. They're brand names, like
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Speaker 3: original comedies. They just don't put them in theaters anymore. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Well, one of the things that I love about what
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Speaker 1: you've done with this book is it gives me the
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Speaker 1: opportunity to step into, and this is going to be
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Speaker 1: very selfish, my own world, because I was on the
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Speaker 1: red carpet for many of these movies, and I know
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Speaker 1: what we had to do in order to get real
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Speaker 1: people in there, and the IDs we had to check. Oh,
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Speaker 1: my God. It was amazing on how, you know, it
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Speaker 1: was like there were people trying to get into these movies,
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Speaker 1: and we had suddenly been thrown into this world of
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Speaker 1: check their ID, check their ID, make sure they're old
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Speaker 1: enough to get in.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, that was and that was a big
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Speaker 3: part of what made this moment kind of stand out
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Speaker 3: in the early 2000s is like the comedy that preceded
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Speaker 3: it directly, the movie comedies, a lot of which I mean,
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Speaker 3: I was growing up then I was watching a lot
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Speaker 3: of them. They were much more like PG, PG-13. It
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Speaker 3: was a lot of like, you know, guys doing wacky characters.
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Speaker 3: And and, you know, it was Adam Sandler. It was. Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Jim Carrey. It was Mike Myers. And again, I'm not
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Speaker 2: saying that dismissively or negatively. I saw all those movies.
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Speaker 2: I loved those movies.
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Speaker 3: But when these movies came along, now we're talking movies
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Speaker 3: like There's Something About Mary and Old School and Wedding.
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Speaker 2: These are R-rated movies.
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Speaker 3: They are with a lot of harder R-rated jokes and comedy.
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Speaker 3: And You know, it was pretty, you know, they kind
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Speaker 3: of knocked people back in their seats. And I think
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Speaker 3: that is a big reason why a lot of these
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Speaker 3: movies were successful.
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Speaker 2: They were showing people something new that they hadn't seen
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Speaker 2: in a while.
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Speaker 3: Right. There were R-rated comedies before this, but they had
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Speaker 3: kind of fallen out of favor. And so.
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Speaker 2: It's a cyclical business, and these guys.
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Speaker 3: Kind of came along at the right point to kind
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Speaker 3: of knock people back with a little edgier material. The
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Speaker 3: problem there is it's like how how many times can
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Speaker 3: you shock people before they're like, I've seen this.
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Speaker 2: I get it.
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Speaker 3: You know, and then I think that was another reason why,
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Speaker 3: you know, their movies started to do not as well.
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Speaker 2: It was what what what what else can you do
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Speaker 2: for me? What can you do that's different?
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Speaker 3: It's like people want to see something different.
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Speaker 2: People are so strange, right? They want to see.
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Speaker 3: Something new, but they also, it should be something that I,
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Speaker 3: you know, I want to see something I know. I
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Speaker 3: want to know what it is, but I also want
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Speaker 3: it to be totally surprising and new. It's like, well,
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Speaker 3: good luck with that. Wow.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, but you know what, though? Something about Mary as
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Speaker 1: well as Hot Tub Time Machine. Dude, I'm telling you,
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Speaker 1: that comedy was so incredible. I've seen them both nine times.
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Speaker 1: Tell me a DC movie that I've seen nine times.
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Speaker 1: It ain't going to happen. There's just something about this
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Speaker 1: comedy genre that I just still can't get enough of.
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Speaker 3: Yeah. And comedy movies are interesting because they are so rewatchable, right? Like,
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Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, I, I, I, the movies I have
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Speaker 3: seen the most in my life, they're all comedies, whether
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Speaker 3: it's blazing saddles, naked gun, anchorman, uh, Zoolander is a
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Speaker 3: movie I've seen a million times.
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Speaker 2: That's definitely in the book.
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Speaker 3: It's like, When a movie is funny, it's funny the
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Speaker 3: first time when it does surprise you, and then somehow
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Speaker 3: it's still funny the 50th time. It's a fascinating thing.
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Speaker 3: I don't know quite how it works, but it is
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Speaker 3: important to... you know, surprise people with that great out
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Speaker 3: of nowhere punchline. But then if it's good, you can
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Speaker 3: watch it a thousand times. It becomes, you know, cinematic
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Speaker 3: comfort food. Um, and I know that's something that I
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Speaker 3: love about a lot of the movies that are in
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Speaker 3: the book is that like, these are the movies that
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Speaker 3: even today, I still, after a hard day, I'll put
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Speaker 3: on stepbrothers or I'll put on 40 year old virgin, um, And, man,
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Speaker 3: it just it just helps. It's it's therapy. It's it's
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Speaker 3: just it just I mean, these days you need to laugh.
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Speaker 2: And these are the movies that I still look at
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Speaker 2: to do that.
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Speaker 1: Well, the movie that I to this day and I
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Speaker 1: dang it, I don't know what's wrong with me, but
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Speaker 1: I still have this hard time getting into Ron Burgundy.
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Speaker 1: And the thing about it is, though, is that your
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Speaker 1: book is going to change my mind. Because this is
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Speaker 1: the first time ever that I realized and I learned
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Speaker 1: that Will Ferrell was actually studying broadcasting. Now I've got
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Speaker 1: to go back in there and I've got to see
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Speaker 1: that he's making a parody of somebody that he was studying.
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Speaker 2: That's right.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: It's kind of an interesting story is that yes, his
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Speaker 3: original kind of vision for himself was to be like
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Speaker 3: a sports caster, to be kind of like the, uh,
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Speaker 3: was it champ kind with sports in anchorman? Like, I
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Speaker 3: guess that's the guy he would have wanted to be the, uh,
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Speaker 3: the sports anchor. And in a certain point he kind
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Speaker 3: of always, he knew like deep down, he always was,
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Speaker 3: you know, he wanted to be funny. He wanted to perform,
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Speaker 3: but he was kind of like, he couldn't like work
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Speaker 3: up the nerve to do it. And finally, after, you know,
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Speaker 3: studying broadcasting and stuff, he had like an epiphany where
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Speaker 3: he's like, I don't want to be the actual broadcaster.
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Speaker 3: I want to be Chevy Chase doing Weekend Update. That,
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Speaker 3: you know, he wanted to be the funny person. And yeah,
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Speaker 3: so when he's doing Ron Burgundy, maybe the reason that
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Speaker 3: that character resonates and the the the spoofing of television
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Speaker 3: news in that movie resonates is because it comes from
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Speaker 3: a guy who loved broadcasting loved watching local news and
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Speaker 3: for a while was thinking that was his goal and
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Speaker 3: so he definitely knew that world pretty well by the
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Speaker 3: time that they made anchorman.
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Speaker 1: I love the title of this book funny business the
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Speaker 1: old school wedding crashers and knocked up virgins who changed
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Speaker 1: comedy forever we'll be right back with matt singer Hey,
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Speaker 1: thanks for coming back to our conversation with Matt Singer.
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Speaker 1: So how do you feel about when you go out
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Speaker 1: on a date and the girl wants to see a
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Speaker 1: serious movie and you want to see a comedy? I mean,
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Speaker 1: right there, there's a thunderstorm that's about ready to happen.
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Speaker 1: But you kind of really dive into that subject because,
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Speaker 1: I mean, that was really what was going on. Guys
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Speaker 1: wanted one thing. Girls wanted another.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I can't. I can only speak from
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Speaker 2: my own experience with my.
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Speaker 3: Wife, but we've seen a lot of comedies together. I mean,
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Speaker 3: maybe the ones that we watch tend to be more
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Speaker 3: romantic comedies, I suppose.
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Speaker 2: But, you know, that's okay.
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Speaker 3: There's, you know, like there's movies that are in the
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Speaker 3: book that we like that actually I often find like
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Speaker 3: we are big fans of that haven't gotten as much love.
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Speaker 3: Like one movie that we've watched several times and really
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Speaker 3: like and quote in our day-to-day lives is the Vince
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Speaker 3: Vaughn movie The Breakup with Jennifer Aniston. Yes.
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Speaker 2: Was a movie that, you know, it kind of got.
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Speaker 3: I feel like it's one of those movies where It
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Speaker 3: was actually pretty successful, but it was expensive to make
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Speaker 3: because of the stars. And there were all these rumors
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Speaker 3: and tabloid reports at the time that Vince Vaughn and
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Speaker 3: Jennifer Aniston were like in a relationship off camera. And
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Speaker 3: so like, for some reason that always tends to like,
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Speaker 3: I don't know, it affects the movie in some way.
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Speaker 3: It makes people think, well, oh, this is, you know,
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Speaker 3: like the story behind the scenes almost overtakes the movie.
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Speaker 3: But we like that movie and we have.
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Speaker 2: Watched it a bunch.
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Speaker 3: And we quote it, you know, there's, you know, like
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Speaker 3: the line, I want you to want to do the
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Speaker 3: dishes is a line that is quoted a fair amount
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Speaker 3: in our house, quite frankly, to be honest with you.
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Speaker 3: Although I'm the one who does most of the dishes,
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Speaker 3: I have to say. I want that on.
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Speaker 2: The record for the public.
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Speaker 3: But like that and like the scene with the lemons,
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Speaker 3: baby wanted 12, 12 lemons, what my baby wants, my
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Speaker 3: baby gets. There is, I don't know, there's like kind
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Speaker 3: of like a cool line Um, there's like a shared language,
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Speaker 3: you know, like, um, with some of these movies with people,
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Speaker 3: like people have asked me about that, like the quotability
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Speaker 3: of them.
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Speaker 2: It's like, it's fun to have a movie that you
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Speaker 2: can use almost like a, like a password. Like you're
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Speaker 2: in the club.
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Speaker 3: If you know, if you know, my baby wanted 12,
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Speaker 3: if you know, I want you to want to do
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Speaker 3: the dishes. you're in the club, you're a person of
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Speaker 3: discerning taste, something like that.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, because, I mean, what it was, especially with my
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Speaker 1: wife and I, who we are just movie fanatics, and
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Speaker 1: that is that when we would go to a movie
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Speaker 1: like this with an Adam Sandler or a Seth Rogen,
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Speaker 1: Ben Stiller, the list goes on and on, even Borat,
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Speaker 1: we would look at each other and go, you ready?
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Speaker 1: Let's go have fun. We took it as a roller
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Speaker 1: coaster ride. We knew we were going to be shocked.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: And again, it's like how it's a double edged sword
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Speaker 3: because you can shock people only so much before you
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Speaker 3: suddenly seem a little passe and then you have to
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Speaker 3: reinvent yourself. And I think that's another part of the
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Speaker 3: reason why, you know, we see. These guys doing television
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Speaker 3: shows or, like, Vince Vaughn doing True Detective or horror
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Speaker 3: movies or Owen Wilson doing, you know, action movies where
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Speaker 3: he's a dad. He's in, like, some foreign country protecting
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Speaker 3: his family. I think it's called No Escape, a very
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Speaker 3: strange thing for, like, Owen Wilson.
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Speaker 2: To be in, but he did it because... you know,
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Speaker 2: you kind of have to reinvent yourself.
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Speaker 3: You have to give the audience something new. Um, and,
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Speaker 3: and the thing that I'm waiting for is now it's
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Speaker 3: been so long. It's like, who's going to be the
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Speaker 3: person or the people to kind of say people are
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Speaker 3: nostalgic for these things now. And if we put a
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Speaker 3: bunch of these guys back together in something, I feel
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Speaker 3: like the time.
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Speaker 2: Is just about right.
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Speaker 3: Where if it was like, you know, a real true
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Speaker 3: group of these guys in a movie again, um, That
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Speaker 3: might be the thing that breaks through, that get people's attention, perhaps.
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Speaker 1: I'll tell you the thing that really captured my attention
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Speaker 1: was to see Bradley Cooper on TV, I mean, in
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Speaker 1: the movie theater. And the thing about it is, though,
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Speaker 1: is that I knew Bradley Cooper was going to be
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Speaker 1: a superstar the first time I saw him on TV.
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Speaker 1: And then to meet him and to be with him
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Speaker 1: in person at a movie promotion, I mean, it's like, oh,
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Speaker 1: you were so damn perfect for that role. No wonder
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Speaker 1: they picked you, guy, because you're quirky like that. That's
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Speaker 1: in your body and your blood.
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Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, I always think about with him was that,
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Speaker 3: you know, speaking of watching things with my wife, like
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Speaker 3: we used to binge TV shows and.
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Speaker 2: We used to watch, one of the shows we loved
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Speaker 2: was Alias.
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Speaker 3: And he was like on Alias and his character was
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Speaker 3: like so inconsequential on Alias that they like wrote him
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Speaker 3: out of the show after two years.
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Speaker 2: They're just like, we have nothing for you anymore. And
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Speaker 2: he went from that.
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Speaker 3: To this huge movie star, largely through doing, yeah, the
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Speaker 3: Hangover movies and, He's in Wedding Crashers.
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Speaker 2: He's great in Wedding Crashers.
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Speaker 3: I think people almost forget that until they rewatch it
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Speaker 3: now that he's like the bad.
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Speaker 2: Guy in that.
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Speaker 3: And now he's gone on to he's a great filmmaker
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Speaker 3: in his own right. And he does all kinds of
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Speaker 3: things now. But I would love to see him do
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Speaker 3: more like he is. He's great in those edgy films.
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Speaker 3: comedies of this period. And I know that again, they're just,
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Speaker 3: they're not making them as much anymore and he's doing
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Speaker 3: other things. And a lot of the things he's doing
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Speaker 3: are hugely successful, but I would love to see him
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Speaker 3: do something back in that edgy comedy vein again, that
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Speaker 3: would be fabulous.
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Speaker 1: I love the way that you reintroduce the word ought
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Speaker 1: to the readers. I laughed so freaking loud when I
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Speaker 1: saw that. Because I'll joke around with people back in
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Speaker 1: 2000 ought six. And they look at me going, what
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Speaker 1: the fuck are you talking about? I don't even know
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Speaker 1: what you're doing, dude. And then to see it in
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Speaker 1: your book, I mean, it was comedy for me. And
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Speaker 1: I'm so grateful that you said ought in this book.
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Speaker 3: What else are we going to call them? It's a
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Speaker 3: pain in the butt to be like they were the 2000s. Well,
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Speaker 3: I mean, God, the 2010s are also the two. We're
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Speaker 3: still living in the 2000s. So you got to you
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Speaker 3: got to call them something.
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Speaker 1: Now, the one thing that you that you do credit
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Speaker 1: here and I found myself going, you know, I've got
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Speaker 1: to give you credit for that. And that was is
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Speaker 1: that likely suspects? They knocked down that fourth wall. And
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Speaker 1: I thought, you know, that's exactly what I needed to know.
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Speaker 1: is that somebody saw the same thing that I was
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Speaker 1: going through.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, these movies aren't really thought of as like,
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Speaker 3: you know, they can be big, they're broad, they're R-rated.
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Speaker 2: I guess we don't necessarily think of them as.
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Speaker 3: Relatable, maybe, or, you know, we don't think of them
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Speaker 3: as that sort of movie. But I think that for
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Speaker 3: the guys that were making them, they were often more...
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Speaker 3: they were more autobiographical than maybe we thought, you know,
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Speaker 3: like even something like Anchorman, like Will Ferrell is playing
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Speaker 3: the role that he kind of wanted to have as
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Speaker 3: a kid before he discovered.
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Speaker 2: His real path.
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Speaker 3: And, you know, when you dig into the movies, you
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Speaker 3: find all these stories that they were drawing from, even
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Speaker 3: something as like absurd and silly as Step Brothers, to
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Speaker 3: name another Will Ferrell movie, like a lot of the
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Speaker 3: ridiculous scenes in stepbrothers are drawn directly from the lives
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Speaker 3: of Will Ferrell, Adam McKay, John C. Reilly.
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Speaker 2: They're things that happened to them as kids.
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Speaker 3: That's the thing that's different is that they're grown adult
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Speaker 3: men in their late 30s, early 40s that are doing
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Speaker 3: them on screen.
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Speaker 2: And that's what makes it funny.
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Speaker 3: But like things like fighting over a drum kid or
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Speaker 3: hating your bunk bed and feeling like it's about to
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Speaker 3: collapse on you. Those were things that like they drew
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Speaker 3: from their lives or, you know, like Judd Apatow's movies,
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Speaker 3: you know, Even when they're more broad or they're taking
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Speaker 3: things that don't seem to be all that autobiographical, a
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Speaker 3: lot of times there's like he's taking things out of
17:11
Speaker 3: his life.
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Speaker 2: I mean, his wife and children play.
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Speaker 3: you know, a family in almost.
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Speaker 2: Every one of his movies.
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Speaker 3: And, you know, Paul Rudd is often the guy playing
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Speaker 3: the Judd Apatow part, but he's using these movies to talk,
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Speaker 3: to talk about things that are important to him, whether
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Speaker 3: it's family, career, uh, getting older, all of these sorts
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Speaker 3: of things.
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Speaker 2: So there's a, when you, I think when you, you
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Speaker 2: think of these.
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Speaker 3: Movies, you laugh, but then you go back and watch
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Speaker 3: them and, um, They're not as simple as you might
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Speaker 3: think that they are.
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Speaker 1: Man, 20 minutes with you is just not enough. Two
17:41
Speaker 1: movie freaks like you and I, we could sit here
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Speaker 1: and talk for hours. But I'll tell you what, though.
17:45
Speaker 1: You totally set the book up for the readers that
17:47
Speaker 1: need to get this book, Funny Business. And the way
17:50
Speaker 1: that you set it up is when Elvis Costello says,
17:52
Speaker 1: we're getting out of control. That so sets up everything
17:55
Speaker 1: about this book and every reason why they need to
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Speaker 1: go watch these movies if they haven't seen them or
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Speaker 1: to go revisit them.
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Speaker 3: Well, yeah, the thing that I've heard from a few
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Speaker 3: people who've read the book, which I love to hear
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Speaker 3: is like I read the book and then I had
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Speaker 3: this huge list of movies that I wanted to go
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Speaker 3: either revisit or see for the first time. And that's
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Speaker 3: a huge compliment. Like that's that mission accomplished. If I
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Speaker 3: got you to remember these movies or to. hear about
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Speaker 3: things that you hadn't seen before, and then you go
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Speaker 3: track them down because there were so many good comedies
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Speaker 3: in this period, that's great. And then if it reminds
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Speaker 3: people to want to make more movie comedies and we
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Speaker 3: start to see more of them made again, that would
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Speaker 3: be the true icing on the cake.
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Speaker 1: You got to come back to this show anytime in
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Speaker 1: the future, Matt. The door is always going to be
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Speaker 1: open for you, sir.
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Speaker 2: Thank you so much. It was great talking to you.