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Radio Hoaxes to Real Politics: Orson Welles, Doug Ford vs. Trump, Iran War Talk, NATO Hype, AI Fears. · International Flavor: Where the Truth Tastes Better

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  I think I am here live in the Lake Ozark real estate of the art studio and I want to say to
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  you hello, good morning, and welcome. I'm Samuel Trapp. This is International Flavor. We are on
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  damradio.com forward slash live. We take all the shows and put them out for your listening pleasure
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  at damradio.com forward slash podcast for all the fine content on this channel and I independently
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  put out internationalflavor.com on my own website with my own only international flavor page. So
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  there's plenty of things going on and I want to share some stuff. Yesterday I didn't get a finish
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  up with something that I thought would be interesting to listen to and I have an eclectic
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  pile of stuff to go through today. Some of it I find amusing and some of it is completely
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  unrelated to my normal topics, but I want to go through a couple of things. There's some music
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  I want to play for you, some comedy thing that I remembered and I just heard it and it's old,
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  old, old and I just find that stuff funny. You know what I thought would be a great thing? So
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  my father was a, first of all, he's a great man and he was extremely kind to people. He was
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  a nice guy which means he had a tendency to get screwed by the world out there. Sometimes I feel
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  certainly like his son and he never watched out for himself. He was just kind to everyone and so
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  people take advantage of you like that and it's a cold lesson to learn or to think about.
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  And he'd come up with plans and ideas and somebody'd steal them. But he was a real nice guy
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  and he was just, no mean bone in his body, you know what I mean? Just a great man.
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  And he was a joy to have as a father when you got to see him. We had 11 children,
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  well there were 12 but one passed when he, you know, as he was a couple years old,
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  there were 12 children born in our family of which I was number seven. So after the passing
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  of the first one, which was before mine, of the one who passed away two, three days after he was
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  born, that left me number six of 11, so right in the middle. You got told upon by, told on by the
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  kids down below who didn't understand what the hell's going on. And by the way, they still don't.
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  And you got beat up upon by the ones above you. And trust me, that's still happening today.
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  Except for one of them passed away, my oldest brother, Clifford Michael Trapp, the third,
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  passed away several years ago, seven already, I think, maybe six. My father passed away at age 69
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  back in 2007, I want to say. I don't remember the exact year, but I want to say 07. I miss the man.
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  Anyway, I tell you, there's a few things I want to go through. My dad liked old time radio. And
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  so yesterday I was in my office and I always keep some music or whatever on in the background. And
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  guess what came on? What came on was the Orson Welles who had a radio program, and I have some
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  of them in my vast library of stuff. And one of them came across and it was the episode from,
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  I believe, the late 50s, where they played a joke on the American people on radio. And
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  I listened to it yesterday in my office. In passing, I was working on stuff. And what they
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  talked about was a war of the worlds. And so if you get a chance, and I listened to it yesterday,
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  radio's greatest hoax. You can find it on YouTube. And so Orson Welles, 1938. Oh, it was, geez,
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  1938. 1938 Halloween radio. I was thinking it was in the 50s for some reason, completely wrong.
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  But in 1938, there was a Halloween radio adaptation of HG Wells' War of the Worlds,
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  which caused panic by presenting realistic simulated news broadcast of a Martian invasion.
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  And it was aired on CBS on October 30th. A dramatic performance, you know, he was 23 years old
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  at the time, led some listeners to believe that the attack was real, which caused minor localized
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  panic. And so you can listen to some of it. In fact, I think I'll play a little snippet of you,
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  right of it, I mean, right here.
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  Hello. What are those triangles, those stripes signify, President?
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  Not canals, I can assure you, Mr. Phillips.
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  They're talking about what's on the...
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  Although that's a popular conjecture of those who imagine Mars to be inhabited.
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  From a scientific viewpoint, the stripes are merely the result of atmospheric
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  conditions peculiar to the planet.
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  Then you're quite convinced, as a scientist,
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  that living intelligence as we know it does not exist on Mars?
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  I'd say the chances against it are a thousand to one.
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  And yet, how do you account for these gas eruptions occurring on the surface
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  of the planet at regular intervals?
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  Phillips, I cannot account for it.
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  I find that it was very interesting. I like listening to, you know, the past times and all
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  that stuff. I mean, you hear the clock ticking in the background, you know, and here's the
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  newscast and he's talking and it's pretty funny because, you know, that's what people had.
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  You know, there wasn't TV and all the stuff we have instantly available to us.
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  Now, I mean, think about this.
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  I can go out and click on YouTube and find the War of the Worlds classic radio hoax
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  from way back when.
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  And I don't know, it's 45 minutes long or an hour.
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  Anyway, my father was very much into those things.
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  And so I've always been a radio listener anyway.
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  And I like something called, we used to listen to as a kid.
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  And my dad would listen to it just about every night.
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  And so I was born in 65.
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  And so in the early 70s, you know, eight, nine years, 10 years old, living in Utah.
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  And my father would play on one of those big old high fives or some radio.
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  He would play something that still came on regularly on the show.
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  And there were several different ones.
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  But there was something called Radio Mystery Theater.
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  And you can still go out and find those things as well on YouTube and elsewhere.
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  And I thought it'd be fun to see if I could talk JR into reproducing some of those things
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  and putting them out there on a channel or something and having some old time radio stuff
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  or play them myself, you know, because there's a couple of things.
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  So I have that as part of the things I want to do.
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  I like comedy, radio, and every once in a while.
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  And I don't know the truth of this, but when I lived in Washington, D.C., I lived there from
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  I was in the army as I was a diplomatic interpreter and I wore a suit and tie.
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  But, you know, and I worked for the on-site inspection agency.
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  And I lived in a town called Leesburg, Virginia.
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  And I would either drive downtown to D.C.
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  depending on what I was doing.
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  Or we had a building at the Dulles International Airport, you know, across the street.
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  It said AT&T on it.
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  Then Sprint.
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  But it wasn't AT&T or Sprint.
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  They may have owned the building, but it was all military in there.
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  So the hoax was not very subtle either because half of the people would come in in uniforms,
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  you know, because there were uniformed people in there.
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  There was a lot of civilian contractors, stuff like that, too.
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  Anyway, I'm just babbling today.
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  But I do have several things that I wanted to go through.
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  And anyway, in Washington, D.C., this is after, what was his name?
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  Howard Stern.
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  Howard Stern went to New York after that.
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  And allegedly, he got his start.
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  I never, ever looked this up.
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  But what was always told to me and the hoax that he did, and I don't remember how it went,
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  but people were really upset with him.
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  And I guess he got his ticket pulled for broadcasting or he got fired from whatever station he was in.
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  But you know what?
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  I lived in Washington, D.C. or I think I did.
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  I remember seeing it on TV.
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  Do you remember the plane that took off from, not Dulles, but National Airport,
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  which is now Reagan National Airport?
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  I don't remember it being called Reagan then.
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  It was, well, hell, Reagan was an office, you know.
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  When I got to D.C. in late 90 or midnight, early 90, and I had gone to Boston for a while
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  and then worked up there for several months at Fort Devens, Massachusetts.
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  That was kind of cool.
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  And then I got, there was a training thing I had to go through.
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  And then I went to Washington, D.C. for four and a half year period, something like that.
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  And when I got there, I believe I was there or was right around the time of the plane
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  that took off from Dulles and had ice wing problems or something like that
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  and crashed into the Potomac right there.
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  And it went up and went straight down.
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  And people were swimming and dying.
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  There were people jumping in and trying to rescue them and stuff like that.
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  And allegedly, and I don't know the truth of this, but another radio hoax was the following
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  day or very shortly thereafter, Howard Stern allegedly called whatever, and this is the
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  way I always heard the story.
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  I don't know if it's true or not, but allegedly called the airline within a few days or very
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  shortly thereafter and asked him how much was a ticket from National Airport to the
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  Potomac River?
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  How much would a ticket cost?
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  And he got yanked for that.
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  Because what I always heard, and I don't know if that's true or not.
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  Go look it up yourself if it interests you.
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  But that's what I always heard.
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  That's the rumor that went around.
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  But I believe that that happened while I was...
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  I remember watching it on TV quite a bit.
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  And I thought it was while I was in D.C.
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  But who the hell?
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  I don't remember.
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  Life's been too long for me to remember all the details.
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  Anyway, radio hoaxes, radio funny.
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  And when I was driving to work, when I would drive, I rode my bicycle to work a lot.
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  There was a nice ride every morning.
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  They had a good bicycle, paved bicycle thing.
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  You could take all the way from Leesburg all the way into D.C. if you wanted.
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  It was 22.5 miles from my house to the office.
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  And I could hop on my bike and make it faster than I could drive there.
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  And I could easily at that point in history keep up speeds of 20 miles an hour even on
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  the little trail, on that paved bike trail, whatever road it was or old railroad it was.
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  I want to say it's Baltimore, Ohio.
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  I don't remember railroad, old rail lines.
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  They paved them even back then.
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  I ran over a turtle once, crashed.
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  Great big hissing turtle.
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  That was funny.
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  Anyway, I'm really rambling today.
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  And I had a lot of fun biking that way.
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  But I listened to the radio when I drove.
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  And you would try to listen with headphones while you were going.
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  But the technology at the time wasn't all that great.
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  I had an MP3 player.
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  I remember those were just coming out.
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  And I had an MP3 player.
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  I generally listened to music because it was cleaner than trying to listen to radio.
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  Anyway, on the radio in DC or Virginia somewhere, there was a couple of guys named Bob and Tom.
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  And I don't know how this happened in the same day.
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  But Bob and Tom, one of their sound bites came through to me.
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  And listen, my son always thought it was freaking hilarious.
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  And I would play them for him.
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  And some of the songs would come up while he'd be riding in my car, you know.
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  And we'd listen to my huge library just rotate through various songs and tracks that I have.
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  And sometimes I have to go, oops, you can't listen to that and pass it forward.
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  But not when it came to this.
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  And so I want to play for you something called You Can Be Mean To Me.
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  And some of you may have heard it.
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  It's famous.
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  It's a guy named Heywood Banks that used to do comic stuff.
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  And this is lighter than my normal, you know, harsh worldview topics.
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  But I also have fun that I think it's fun anyway.
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  And some of this is fun to listen to, like Radio Mystery Theater, Orson Welles.
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  And here is Heywood Banks on the Bob and Tom show in whenever it was that it first
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  came out.
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  But I went and bought his album or bought something, bought some tracks shortly thereafter
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  because it was pretty funny.
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  Anyway, it's called You Can Be Mean To Me.
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  You can be mean to me, mean as you want to be.
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  Just say anything that you like.
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  You can be nasty and catty and cruel and unusual.
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  Twist my nose with your fingers, trip me while I carry liquids.
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  But as you pin me down, my arms down on the ground, as your spit drips into my face.
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  Deep in the back of your mind, remember at some point you'll have to fall asleep.
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  And when you fall asleep into your room, I'll creep.
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  Did something move in the dark beneath your bed?
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  And then a voice you hear calling out loud and clear, a voice that is your own, a voice
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  that's saying, there are things that one can do with Bengay Nair and superglue, a package
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  of indelible dye.
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  Why would a guy such as I ever buy indelible dye blue as the sky?
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  Don't ask me why.
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  This catalog I found sells roaches by the pound, millipedes, centipedes too.
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  They say the meek shall inherit because they stay up late and change the will.
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  And when you fall asleep into your room, I'll creep.
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  Did something move in the dark beneath your bed?
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  And then a voice you hear, it's calling loud and clear, a voice that is your own, a voice
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  that's saying, that's all I have.
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  I love that.
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  That was very nice.
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  A little revenge song.
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  A revenge song is what that's called.
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  It's by a guy named Heywood Banks.
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  And I find it amusing.
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  And so you're getting a variety of crap from me today.
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  War of the Worlds, radio hoaxes, and you can be mean to me.
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  Now, if I remember right, Bob and Tom were a national show, I think, in various markets.
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  I'm not sure where all they played, but they were around for a while, if I recall.
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  But I don't know.
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  I never really paid all that much attention to it.
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  I just like, everybody likes to have something on in the background.
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  I always have had music or talk or something in the background.
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  I've always had some background stuff.
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  At home, it's TV for the most part.
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  Now, I'll put on old shows that I've seen 1,000 times, and I'll put them on.
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  One of my favorites, of course, is Good to Bad and the Ugly.
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  I can put that on three hours later.
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  And it's pretty funny, because if I am hanging out on the couch, just having a light day
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  or whatever, reading a book, doing something, I'll have Good to Bad and the Ugly on in the
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  background.
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  It's pretty funny, because if I fall asleep, I always wake up at two points in the show.
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  And one is when they're fighting for the bridge, when they are fighting the north and the south,
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  or fighting the bridge.
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  And Blondie and Tuco Juan Benedicto Pacifico.
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  Oh, I got that wrong.
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  Tuco Juan Pacifico Benedicto Romero, and I think I might be missing a name.
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  And Blondie decide to blow up the bridge in the middle.
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  We could blow it up.
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  I'd get rid of these idiots.
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  So I blow up the bridge.
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  I wake up at that point.
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  And I wake up, of course, at the very end, when the three-person duel is there, gunfight.
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  And that's pretty cool.
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  And then you watch the last 10 minutes of the show.
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  And I always wake up for those two parts.
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  Don't know why.
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  Anyway, I'm really on a roll this morning, just babbling like a crazy man.
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  And we've got some other music I want to play for you.
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  There's a Russian song that I wish to get to you.
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  But before we get to that, I want to get to something useful, something commentary that
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  I have been, that I promised you from yesterday.
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  And what I promised yesterday from my history lesson is, now, the guy I don't like his show,
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  I don't listen to it much.
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  But he has, what do you call it?
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  Where's my hoax?
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  Did I delete the page or something stupid like that?
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  I don't think so.
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  I think I got it right.
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  And where am I?
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  Here it is.
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  Ontario's Premier Doug Ford, as I talked to you about yesterday, responding to Trump's
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  threat on a new bridge.
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  And this story was, what's this guy's name?
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  I forget.
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  Let's see.
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  Major Garrett.
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  OK, so he's kind of a, I don't know, I never really cared for him all that much for his
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  shows, politics, all that stuff.
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  He's on CBS News.
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  And the title of the story is, President Trump threatens to block the opening of the bridge
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  between Detroit and Canada.
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  And Canada is making moves.
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  There's news all over the place when you're talking about this.
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  And I thought I would share with you most of the commentary of this.
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  This entire thing is only like seven and a half minutes long.
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  So I'm going to share it with you because I like the commentary of the Ontario Premier
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  Doug Ford.
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  I like his commentary.
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  And he seems like a reasonable guy.
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  Now, I don't know the truth of all of these things.
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  But here's one point of view.
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  Of course, I believe CBS is strongly anti-Trump.
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  Anyway, so you got to take everything with a grain of salt.
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  These are the bad guys when it comes to putting out news.
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  They twist it into everything.
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  His comments would be news.
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  And it's useful to listen to the Premier himself and not the BS you get from commentators like
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  me who may have an agenda, right?
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  And it may have some way to twist it.
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  And that's the problem with news today is you always got to consider your source, where
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  you're getting the information.
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  Me, I'm completely transparent and truthful and blunt with what I think.
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  And I have nobody directing or finger puppeting me.
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  Like it or leave it, it's my opinion.
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  It's not some puppet master, some big money guy directing a Democrat-led talking points
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  memo like this, maybe, or at least twisted that way.
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  Because they always twist.
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  And I don't like that.
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  They don't say what they think.
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  They say what some jack-off many levels above thinks.
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  So I shouldn't say stuff like that.
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  But anyway, here's Ontario Premier Doug Ford responding to Trump's threat on the bridge,
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  OK?
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  Because allegedly, Trump doesn't have anything in there.
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  We're talking about Trump's press secretary making commentary on it.
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  And here we go.
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  So let us listen.
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  Seven and a half minutes.
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  Here goes.
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  I'll try not to interrupt.
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  This time, he's threatening to block the opening of a new bridge.
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  Oops, we're going to start that over because I forgot to turn it up.
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  Ready?
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  Here we go.
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  Starting all over again.
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  Welcome back.
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  President Trump is once again going after Canada.
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  This time, he's threatening to block the opening of a new bridge that connects Windsor, Ontario,
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  to Detroit.
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  See it there on a map.
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  The Gordie Howe International Bridge, named for the hockey great, has been under construction
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  since 2018.
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  Canada picked up the tab on the multi-billion dollar project.
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  The president, though, lashed out on social media overnight saying he would block the
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  bridge's opening over a range of economic issues and that the U.S. must be, quote,
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  fully compensated for everything we've given them.
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  Earlier, I spoke to the premier of Ontario, Doug Ford, about all this.
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  Take a listen.
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  I wanted to start with your reaction to the president's threats to hold up this
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  construction project.
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  Well, I find it ironic that the president back in 2017 endorsed it and fast-tracked
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  the project.
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  So he was all in favor of it.
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  And, you know, this is going to be very, very beneficial for both sides of the border,
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  especially the people in Michigan.
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  There's going to be over 850,000 truck hours per year, if you want to say that.
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  And every day that it's held up or closed, that's 2,339 truck hours sitting there idling.
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  But it's going to hurt the economy in Michigan.
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  It'll hurt Ontario.
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  And this is all about politics.
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  It's not about fact.
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  And it's unfortunate, I should say, that he doesn't have the facts.
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  And I'd be more than happy to give the facts.
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  But I think I heard a little thing from Carolyn there.
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  And unfortunately, his spokesperson doesn't have the facts either.
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  Well, let's actually let's hear from her first, because the White House was asked about this
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  earlier today and tried to clarify the president's position.
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  I'll have you respond to her on the flip side.
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  Take a listen.
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  The fact that Canada will control what crosses the Gordie Howe Bridge
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  and owns the land on both sides is unacceptable to the president.
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  It's also unacceptable that more of this bridge isn't being built with more American-made
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  materials.
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  He also believes that the U.S. should own at least half of the bridge,
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  have shared authority over what passes across it,
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  and participate in the economic benefits generated by its use.
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  Your response.
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  Well, it's totally inaccurate, word for word.
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  Let's start off with first about we're going to determine what crosses the bridge.
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  That's furthest from the truth.
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  That's a split agreement between the U.S. and Canada.
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  They're going to share that responsibility.
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  And as for not using American labor, well, Canadians paid for the whole bridge.
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  But in saying that, 25% of the bridge is made by American concrete, American steel,
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  American workers.
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  And then saying that we control both sides of the bridge is just so far from the truth.
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  Matter of fact, the interchange was built with Michigan workers,
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  Michigan concrete, Michigan steel.
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  And they need to get their facts straight.
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  And by the way, they're going to own Michigan.
• 25:20
  The agreement is that they own 50% of the bridge.
• 25:23
  And Canadians paid for it.
• 25:25
  So as a business person myself, I think that's a pretty good deal.
• 25:30
  But this is going to—this is going to be one of the busiest bridges in North America,
• 25:34
  if not the busiest.
• 25:35
  There'll be a billion dollars of goods going across the bridge, two-way trade on a daily basis.
• 25:41
  And all this is going to do is hurt the American economy or hurt Michigan,
• 25:47
  hurt Michigan workers.
• 25:49
  And keep in mind, President Trump only won Michigan by 1.4%.
• 25:54
  And there's going to be 13 Congress seats, seven of which Republicans own.
• 25:59
  And I'll tell you one thing, they won't be too happy,
• 26:02
  their constituents, when they don't have a job.
• 26:06
  That's what it comes down to.
• 26:08
  You can't—I always say, Ed, you know, we've been integrated for 200 years.
• 26:13
  And between people and businesses, you can't unscramble an egg.
• 26:19
  You got to make the omelette larger.
• 26:21
  And that's what we need to do.
• 26:23
  And both countries will be more prosperous.
• 26:27
  There'll be certainty, more jobs, more opportunities.
• 26:30
  And that's what this is all about, making sure both economies grow.
• 26:35
  Back in 2017, the president did call this bridge a vital economic link
• 26:40
  when he signaled that he supported its construction.
• 26:43
  It's cost about $4.7 billion to construct, as you said, financed by the Canadian government,
• 26:48
  but will be co-owned by Canada and Michigan, designed to benefit both sides of the span.
• 26:54
  Do you have any sense of what it could do in the short term to delay the opening of the bridge?
• 27:00
  Well, it would cost hundreds of millions of dollars of two-way trade, unfortunately.
• 27:05
  And there'll be trucks stuck on the other bridge, again, idling for 2,329 hours a day,
• 27:14
  by the way, every single day.
• 27:15
  So that is not a good thing for both economies.
• 27:19
  This is going to make sure that we prosper on both sides of the border.
• 27:24
  I always say, Ed, you know, I love Americans.
• 27:27
  Canadians love Americans.
• 27:29
  And there's one person there causing a few issues.
• 27:33
  Let's move forward and grow both economies.
• 27:37
  One of the things he pointed out in his message overnight
• 27:40
  is that Ontario continues to block the sale of U.S. alcoholic products on its shelves.
• 27:46
  It was you who famously banned the sale of American liquor and wine
• 27:49
  in response to the president starting this trade war last year.
• 27:54
  Is there any hope for Kentucky bourbon, California wine being sold on Ontario shelves again?
• 28:01
  There's a lot of hope.
• 28:02
  All he has to do is get rid of the tariffs on Canada that actually,
• 28:05
  a tariff on Canada is a tax on American people.
• 28:10
  They're feeling it in the U.S.
• 28:11
  Obviously, we feel it as well.
• 28:14
  We're the two greatest trading nations in the world.
• 28:17
  We're the U.S.'s number one customer.
• 28:19
  No one buys more goods off the U.S. than Canadians and vice versa, by the way.
• 28:25
  It's a great partnership.
• 28:26
  And Ontario alone is responsible for 9 million Americans waking up every morning
• 28:32
  to produce a product, a widget or a service for Ontario.
• 28:37
  And that's just Ontario.
• 28:38
  That's not the rest of Canada.
• 28:40
  So it's really, really important that we continue to grow the trade.
• 28:44
  And when it comes down to tariffs, as Ronald Reagan said,
• 28:48
  protectionism does not work and it will never work.
• 28:52
  And the people are feeling the crunch in the U.S. right now.
• 28:57
  We want to make sure everyone prospers.
• 28:59
  Real quick, we got ahead of you in mixed doubles curling in the Olympics.
• 29:03
  How much is the U.S. going to beat Canada by in the men's hockey final?
• 29:08
  Well, we're, you know, something, we're champions when it comes to hockey.
• 29:12
  You beat us, you beat us in baseball.
• 29:15
  So now we're going to have to have a little revenge on the hockey side.
• 29:20
  But this is a great camaraderie back and forth.
• 29:24
  I can't tell you how many Americans are married to Canadians and Canadians married
• 29:28
  to Americans.
• 29:29
  It's in the millions.
• 29:31
  We've had a great relationship for 200 years.
• 29:33
  And we can't let one person destroy our relationship.
• 29:36
  And that one person will not destroy it.
• 29:39
  We'll keep moving forward and continue making sure both countries prosper.
• 29:43
  Premier Doug Ford.
• 29:44
  Okay, a little bit on the political side there, of course.
• 29:47
  And, you know, stretching a little bit, tiny, you know,
• 29:51
  obviously twisted one way over another.
• 29:54
  And that's as long as you realize that, you know, just get all your information,
• 29:59
  but never cease to be critical of what you're hearing from other sources.
• 30:05
  You know, you have to make your, you got to develop your own worldview.
• 30:09
  Hopefully you're doing it with the correct information in hand.
• 30:14
  If you do that, as long as you have the correct information and looked at.
• 30:19
  And by the way, I can be convinced.
• 30:23
  I can be convinced of a position, but I can't have that position dictated to me.
• 30:29
  That will never happen.
• 30:30
  You have to think X because it's the right thing to do.
• 30:35
  I decide what the right thing to believe and think is for me.
• 30:40
  And you should do the same for you and your loved ones.
• 30:44
  You know, that is your right as a human being.
• 30:50
  Not granted a right by a particular state cause or cause of action, anything like that.
• 30:56
  It is you.
• 30:57
  And as long as someone, I can respect any opinion from any person,
• 31:01
  as long as it's based upon the proper information and they've considered all angles.
• 31:08
  Unfortunately, a lot of times I feel that that has not occurred.
• 31:12
  You have to get your information from people you don't like too.
• 31:17
  You have to listen to the other side or you'll never get the correct perspective.
• 31:23
  And if it sounds fantastic, nine times out of 10, it isn't.
• 31:29
  Everything is huge, fantastic and wonderful.
• 31:32
  We're the biggest.
• 31:33
  We're the baddest.
• 31:34
  Those sort of things I can't take.
• 31:36
  And I don't like to hear it.
• 31:37
  I also don't like to hear the opposite.
• 31:39
  You know, he's a goon.
• 31:41
  He's a this or that.
• 31:42
  Make your own opinions.
• 31:43
  I certainly do mine, but I try to listen to many sides.
• 31:47
  Anyway, that is the way I approach the world.
• 31:50
  And I like that.
• 31:51
  And a couple more historic shorts.
• 31:54
  I wanted to comment a little bit on that from yesterday's show.
• 31:57
  Finish up the topic because I felt, well, I didn't get through everything that I wanted
• 32:02
  to get through on the financing of the world, because the finance of the world,
• 32:06
  like we talked about yesterday, is where we may run into some issue.
• 32:12
  Things like this bridge are a really big deal and using it as leverage.
• 32:17
  If Carney really and Carney and Trump can't come up with something on the U.S.-Mexico-Canada
• 32:24
  agreement, they replace NAFTA and was talking about, you know, open trade between Mexico,
• 32:30
  Canada and the U.S., basically, except for a set period of time.
• 32:35
  Those things are all dictated.
• 32:36
  But if Trump just keeps saying, eh, too bad.
• 32:39
  If he keeps treating it like it's his world, I don't like that view.
• 32:46
  It's not his world.
• 32:48
  And he's not the only person with an opinion.
• 32:51
  And I don't like that.
• 32:52
  I don't like dictatorships from any sort of point of view, politically or physically or
• 32:59
  reality-wise.
• 33:01
  I don't like being dictated to.
• 33:02
  And neither does the rest of the world.
• 33:04
  So when you dictate what there is.
• 33:05
  I listened to an interesting.
• 33:08
  And if you have time, there's there's another one out there.
• 33:11
  This one's a little harder to find, but I believe you can find it if you go.
• 33:18
  Where is it?
• 33:21
  This one's on Iran, and this is by a guy named Sanchez.
• 33:27
  I forget his first name.
• 33:29
  The show is called The Sanchez Effect.
• 33:33
  And he is live from Iran.
• 33:38
  The show is too long and I wouldn't play it, but I encourage you to go out and get a point
• 33:44
  of view of someone on the ground there.
• 33:47
  So I don't know if you do this or not, but I like to go out to YouTube.
• 33:54
  Now, you can't trust YouTube either because they block and they throttle, as they call
• 34:00
  it.
• 34:00
  They stop people like I always talk about them getting rid of Penchenka, Diana Penchenka
• 34:07
  from she's a Ukrainian who took off to Russia after a while and doesn't like the politics
• 34:13
  of Ukraine and the stuff that's going on there.
• 34:16
  And she had two million followers and YouTube just shut down her channel one day.
• 34:20
  That's crap.
• 34:22
  That's bullshit.
• 34:22
  It shouldn't happen.
• 34:23
  So she now is rebuilding.
• 34:25
  She's on a Telegram channel, has 400,000 plus followers.
• 34:30
  But she'll be all right.
• 34:33
  She has plenty of followers.
• 34:35
  She'll make a lot.
• 34:36
  She's not like me and I got 15,000 followers on my YouTube channel in Russian, my Russian
• 34:42
  YouTube channel.
• 34:43
  I don't know.
• 34:44
  I don't even have an English.
• 34:45
  Well, I do have an English channel on my YouTube.
• 34:49
  I also wrote an article.
• 34:51
  Anyway, I'm really all over the map this morning.
• 34:53
  Sorry about that.
• 34:54
  But I want to get back to what the Sanchez effect is because Sanchez isn't someone you'll
• 34:59
  find all over either.
• 35:00
  He gets blocked some too because he is a brutal, a brutalist.
• 35:06
  He speaks.
• 35:07
  I believe he gives the opinion that he believes this isn't given by some somebody else.
• 35:14
  This is his own opinion.
• 35:15
  And I think we really need to view people who have their own opinions.
• 35:21
  OK, and I believe he's one.
• 35:22
  Now, he gives his opinions to a lot of different channels out there.
• 35:26
  He has a relationship with RT, the Russia Today, which is the equivalent of America's
• 35:33
  Radio Freedom, Radio Free Europe or whatever it's called that is extremely propagandized,
• 35:40
  far more than RT, in my opinion.
• 35:42
  But I believe you're far more likely to get the truth from RT than you are from Radio Free
• 35:47
  Europe or the US one or PBS, in fact.
• 35:53
  So any of those are far more twisted, propagandized and certainly a one global dominant view.
• 36:01
  So he gave a Sanchez effect show.
• 36:06
  It's what it's called.
• 36:07
  Sanchez effect coverage about Iran, 47th anniversary of the Islamic Revolution and the topic of
• 36:15
  discussion between Rick and a guy named Fawad Izadi, a professor of political communication
• 36:21
  at the University of Tehran.
• 36:24
  Professor Izadi says the Islamic Revolution and today's Iran are not enemies of the US
• 36:31
  and the West.
• 36:32
  Now, me having lived in Qatar and known quite a few Iranians, they always told me that when
• 36:38
  I got to talk in politics with them, they'd say, you know, what the normal Iranian is
• 36:46
  like, I don't want to say he's like the normal American, but the ones I knew were extremely
• 36:50
  normal.
• 36:51
  And they, you know, they're business people, they're family men, they think about the same
• 36:57
  stuff that we do.
• 36:58
  And it's the, you know, the West twists that.
• 37:03
  Now, I'm not going to tell you that the East doesn't twist in their favor as well.
• 37:08
  It happens, of course.
• 37:10
  But as peoples, we really don't have any, the biggest of quarrels, right?
• 37:17
  And so Iran are not enemies of the US and the West.
• 37:21
  What he says, slogans of death to America are in response to the aggressive foreign
• 37:27
  policies of the countries.
• 37:29
  Now, one of the things he said was that it's more than a million, whatever their currency
• 37:35
  is, which I don't recall.
• 37:36
  He says it in there.
• 37:38
  But whatever their currency is, for a dollar, you get more than a million.
• 37:42
  The sanctions have been going on there for a long time.
• 37:44
  And they are hurting Iran.
• 37:48
  And so it's the aggressive policies, the sanctions, the BS of regime change, you know,
• 37:54
  stuff like that.
• 37:55
  Azadi assured Rick Sanchez that the Iranians want peace.
• 38:00
  Proof is how they vote.
• 38:02
  They elected Massoud Pezekian, if I said that right, who's an advocate of dialogue
• 38:08
  with the West.
• 38:09
  And this is despite Washington's regular efforts for regime change and undermining
• 38:15
  the path of peace.
• 38:17
  So Rick and Professor Azadi, however, they disagree on Trump's intentions.
• 38:26
  And so Rick thinks Trump is honest and wants to find a nonviolent solution, while the guest
• 38:32
  doubts this and says that the U.S.
• 38:34
  war machine is moving toward the coast of Iran and that it'll be hard to stop it.
• 38:39
  So they're special.
• 38:40
  It's a decent show and it's too long to play here.
• 38:43
  And I won't do it because it is too long.
• 38:47
  But I think it's a mistake for us to go over there militarily and engage in regime
• 38:53
  change.
• 38:54
  I'm against that as a concept.
• 38:56
  Anyway, there are reasons why the world doesn't trust the activities of the United
• 39:02
  States.
• 39:03
  And probably a large percentage, 70 percent, call it, maybe more, is because of the way
• 39:10
  we control the planet militarily.
• 39:15
  And this regime change thing is not a good look for America, in my opinion.
• 39:22
  Now, you don't have to believe me.
• 39:23
  You don't have to agree with me.
• 39:24
  I don't care.
• 39:25
  But that's how I believe.
• 39:28
  And Trump doing the exact same that people have done for years, just because it happens
• 39:32
  to be Iran, doesn't make him a peace president, just like he did in Venezuela.
• 39:38
  That was BS and that was globalist actors who filter through and give him the advice
• 39:45
  and his economic theft of Venezuelan oil, I say is downright wrong, period.
• 39:52
  So if you get a chance, go out to Rick Sanchez, look up Rick Sanchez, and he's got a 49 minute,
• 40:05
  rather interesting take on, because it's the anniversary, whatever it was, 47th anniversary
• 40:10
  of what they call freedom from, from England.
• 40:15
  This is what, you know, they got rid of the Shah and did all that stuff.
• 40:18
  And that's when they have their freedom day.
• 40:19
  And there's people marching in the streets.
• 40:21
  And this, this was a commemorative action for that.
• 40:24
  So it's a, it's a decent, a decent thing to listen to if you're ever interested in a
• 40:30
  different perspective.
• 40:31
  And I like different perspectives and you should probably listen to them if you get a chance.
• 40:36
  And the Ontario stuff also.
• 40:39
  So it's allegedly on hold for now.
• 40:42
  The US countries who wants war with Iran is the name of the article, not Europe, not the
• 40:49
  American people.
• 40:50
  None of us want war with Iran's bullshit and certainly not Iran and most of its neighbors.
• 40:56
  So who wants the war?
• 40:58
  Okay.
• 40:59
  There's another show on this one and I watched it too.
• 41:02
  It was, it's 30 minutes and it said, well, we know who wants war.
• 41:07
  Israel, Israel wants the war.
• 41:10
  And if Israel wants it, the US government will push for more and more conflict.
• 41:16
  That's what we do.
• 41:17
  That's our history.
• 41:18
  When it comes to Iran, all we are, are puppets for Israel.
• 41:24
  So far, the Trump administration has held off from a strike on Iran, but will that
• 41:29
  hold for much longer with the arrival of the carrier group in the Persian Gulf?
• 41:36
  Hmm, curious question.
• 41:38
  Only time will tell, but analysts across the board believe widespread war with Iran will
• 41:43
  be a catastrophe, catastrophe for the entire region, including Israel.
• 41:50
  And so there's a guy named Kvork Almassian, host of Syriana Analysis, joined a guy named
• 41:57
  John Kirakow on an episode called the Whistleblowers.
• 42:03
  As we look less than hopefully at another war in the Middle East, we should all be against
• 42:13
  this.
• 42:13
  This is not our territory and not something we should do on behalf of Israel.
• 42:22
  It's BS.
• 42:23
  What do we care?
• 42:24
  I don't care.
• 42:26
  I don't even care if Iran, this is me personally.
• 42:28
  I give a crap if Iran has nuclear weapons.
• 42:32
  I give a crap.
• 42:34
  Pakistan has them.
• 42:36
  Pakistan's got them.
• 42:38
  India's got them.
• 42:39
  North Korea's got them.
• 42:40
  Talk about leveling the playing field some, is maybe nuclear weapons are a deterrent.
• 42:46
  No, I don't think everybody in the world should have a nuclear bomb because there are nuts
• 42:51
  out there.
• 42:52
  But don't act like we're the good guys.
• 42:54
  The only people to drop a nuclear bomb so far is who?
• 42:59
  It's us.
• 43:00
  It's OK for us.
• 43:01
  We look on it with nostalgia and go, oh, geez, we kicked the crap out of those Japs, do we?
• 43:07
  Well, I don't see it that way.
• 43:11
  It's like we're going to dictate that we can drop them, but by God, you can't.
• 43:17
  Anyway, part facetious and part reality.
• 43:21
  But you don't need to do anything.
• 43:25
  I think that people should consider other opinions.
• 43:29
  And so anyway, I really am all over the map today.
• 43:31
  From the you can be mean to me, now here we are in Iran.
• 43:36
  There was another interesting story I read about Ukraine.
• 43:39
  Ukraine, UK being colonized by immigrants and a guy, a chemical tycoon, chemical industry
• 43:51
  guy named Jim Ratcliffe has blamed the rapid influx of foreigners for all the country's
• 43:58
  economic problems.
• 43:59
  And what he said is his quote is the UK is being colonized by immigrants.
• 44:05
  Now, he's a 73 year old man and he was criticized by Keir Starmer.
• 44:13
  So a Sky News interview on Wednesday, the founder and CEO of INEOS Chemicals Group,
• 44:20
  who also co-owns the English football team Manchester United, argued that you can't
• 44:27
  have an economy with nine million people on benefits and huge levels of immigrants coming
• 44:34
  in.
• 44:35
  The UK is being colonized by immigrants, really, isn't it?
• 44:39
  The population of the UK is 58 million or was 58 million in 2020.
• 44:47
  Now it's 70 million.
• 44:49
  That is 12 million people.
• 44:52
  Government data shows the UK population surpassed 58 million in 95 and 66 million in 2020.
• 45:03
  So they were actually 66 million and who knows where they are now.
• 45:07
  So he may have his facts wrong is what they're trying to point out.
• 45:11
  Starmer said that Ratcliffe should apologize because he is offensive and wrong.
• 45:17
  And he described the US as proud, tolerant and diverse.
• 45:22
  Ratcliffe is British Britain's seventh richest person, has an estimated 17.05 billion pound
• 45:31
  fortune, 23 billion dollars.
• 45:34
  He bought a stake in Manchester United in February of 2024,
• 45:38
  donated 100 million to Oxford University in 2021 to establish an institute for antimicrobial
• 45:45
  research.
• 45:46
  He supports the UK's withdrawal from the EU, but is a tax resident of Monaco.
• 45:52
  He has previously called mass migration a drain on social services.
• 45:55
  He backed Starmer in 2024, but has spoken favorably of anti-migration politician Nigel
• 46:03
  Farage, whose reformed UK party is gaining voter support.
• 46:07
  The Starmer government pro-migration advocacy recently backed Fired.
• 46:13
  The state-funded narrative game called Pathways, designed to discourage teen radicalization,
• 46:20
  drew audience sympathy for its antagonist, a purple-haired anti-immigrant goth girl named
• 46:28
  Amelia.
• 46:29
  Critics noted the game has not only sought to advise young people against protesting immigration,
• 46:36
  but also cautioned against researching immigration's effects.
• 46:41
  Activities, they say, constitute normal civil engagement.
• 46:45
  But UK's got their own, you know, stop illegal immigration issues going on as well.
• 46:52
  And flotillas that show up, you know, in rubber rafts that came across the 22-mile channel from
• 47:01
  France, they're full of people who aren't French.
• 47:07
  They're just passing through.
• 47:10
  Sounds like Mexico, right?
• 47:11
  For us, or at least us under a person named Biden.
• 47:19
  The U.S. has pulled out of a base in Syria.
• 47:23
  Now, this, I like to hear this kind of thing, OK?
• 47:26
  And I've heard a couple of stories about this recently, that Hegseth didn't even show up for
• 47:31
  the NATO senior generals, senior leadership, foreign military specialists.
• 47:40
  Ruta gave a speech on it.
• 47:42
  I thought about sharing the speech, and I may still do that.
• 47:45
  I may share his commentary on Ruta, because he questioned a little bit why Hegseth didn't show
• 47:51
  up as well.
• 47:52
  But they're having a discussion on NATO membership and all the stuff.
• 47:58
  He's, of course, glad-handing everyone, you know, and very pleased that Britain is giving
• 48:03
  more money for Ukraine and putting up whatever the dome is, the shield, I forget the name of it,
• 48:09
  that they're going to put up over Ukraine, allegedly to defeat Russia and this sort of
• 48:16
  things.
• 48:16
  But Washington is allegedly turning over command of two bases in Europe to NATO, and that they
• 48:25
  will no longer be led by U.S. generals, but some kind of NATO generals.
• 48:29
  And the story that's going out now is that the U.S. forces are withdrawing from a key
• 48:34
  Syria base.
• 48:36
  So Washington is pulling troops out from the al-Tanf garrison, and it improved ties with
• 48:42
  the new government, according to AP.
• 48:46
  U.S. forces have withdrawn from the al-Tanf military base in southeastern Syria, relocating
• 48:52
  to Jordan and handing over control of the facility to the country's new authorities,
• 48:57
  said AP on Wednesday.
• 48:59
  One source said that American forces withdrew entirely from the al-Tanf base today and said
• 49:06
  that Syrian forces were being deployed to replace them.
• 49:10
  A second source confirmed that withdrawal, noting that U.S. troops had been moving equipment
• 49:15
  out for the past 15 days.
• 49:17
  He said that U.S. forces would continue to coordinate with the base in al-Tanf from Jordan.
• 49:23
  The al-Tanf garrison was established in 2016, and it was at the strategic tri-border junction
• 49:29
  in Syria, Jordan, and Iraq, along the M2 Baghdad-Damascus Highway.
• 49:34
  The base served as a key hub for operations by the U.S.-led coalition against Islamic
• 49:40
  State, as formerly known as ISIS, terrorists, and was used to train Syrian opposition forces.
• 49:47
  While former Syrian President Bashar Assad had consistently declared the U.S. military
• 49:53
  presence in the country as an illegal occupation, ties between Damascus and Washington thawed
• 50:00
  after his government departed in late 2024.
• 50:04
  And in November, new Syrian President Ahmad al-Shara met with Donald Trump at the White
• 50:11
  House and agreed to join the anti-IS coalition.
• 50:15
  U.S. removed economic sanctions from the country that had been in place for more than a decade.
• 50:21
  I wonder why they won't consider that with Iran.
• 50:25
  Do you do realize that this Ahmed al-Shara isn't exactly pro-U.S.?
• 50:33
  But he'll kiss the right ass in the meantime.
• 50:37
  In January, al-Shara also held talks with Russian President Vladimir Putin, and they
• 50:42
  focused on serious reconstruction and bilateral cooperation between the countries, including
• 50:47
  Moscow's military installations that are also in the country.
• 50:50
  Two of them, I think.
• 50:52
  As part of a major policy overhaul, Syria's new authorities struck a deal in January with
• 50:57
  Kurdish-led, U.S.-backed Syrian Democratic Forces to integrate the group into the Syrian
• 51:04
  army after weeks of clashes.
• 51:07
  Now, many people say this is the United States doing what it always does and abandoning
• 51:13
  the Kurds.
• 51:15
  Abandoning the people that they fought so hard for democracy and wanted, the Kurdish
• 51:21
  people.
• 51:22
  But they've elected to go with the new authorities.
• 51:26
  Earlier this week, multiple outlets reported the U.S. had begun transferring IS detainees
• 51:31
  from Syria to Iraq.
• 51:33
  7,000 expected to be relocated to Iraq in total.
• 51:38
  Because we still partially control some of the Iraq space.
• 51:45
  So anyway, that's always, as always, entertaining.
• 51:50
  I like talking about Maria Zakharova, and I listen to her fairly frequently.
• 51:55
  And we talk about her somewhat regularly here on International Flavor.
• 52:03
  Future belongs to the multipolar world, she recently said.
• 52:08
  In an interview on Thursday, in memory of the Diplomatic Workers Day, Zakharova was
• 52:16
  asked if the current instability on the international stage is connected to the emergence of polycentric
• 52:22
  models.
• 52:23
  And she said, yes, we are certainly moving toward a polycentric world.
• 52:28
  But this polycentric world is not chaotic.
• 52:32
  The new global order will feature centers of power that possess specific characteristics.
• 52:39
  And these poles will be built based upon economic, geopolitical, logistical, and civilizational
• 52:47
  capabilities.
• 52:48
  Why am I sharing this with you?
• 52:50
  Because it's infrastructure.
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  What we are building is the infrastructure.
• 52:56
  What the world is now building without us is a new infrastructure, new alternatives that
• 53:03
  cannot be controlled by one party.
• 53:06
  It's going to take a long time.
• 53:07
  But I'm absolutely correct in this, as are many of the others.
• 53:12
  This is not a world that is any longer going to be run by a globalist elitist.
• 53:20
  There will be different globalist elitists, certainly from India, China, Russia.
• 53:25
  Brazil and South Africa and other large countries.
• 53:30
  It's not just going to be New York City and London, maybe Berlin.
• 53:35
  It's not going to be or Brussels, as the case may be.
• 53:38
  And according to Zakharova, the shift isn't going to happen overnight.
• 53:42
  And there will be a significant need to fight for it.
• 53:47
  She said that the desire and aspiration of a certain group of countries, certain group
• 53:53
  of countries.
• 53:54
  I like that.
• 53:55
  She's pointing at the U.S.
• 53:58
  to once again play the game of exceptionalism and global dominance from its position of
• 54:05
  strength.
• 54:06
  And perhaps some will want to reinvent some kind of unipolar world.
• 54:14
  The trends when whoever is stronger is right will gain some momentum in the coming years,
• 54:22
  she suggested, but said that this was the case throughout most of human history.
• 54:28
  She said that only in the 20th century was there a brief moment.
• 54:34
  Historically, when leading nations dealt with countries that were less developed, less
• 54:39
  wealthy, less successful, not from a position of strength, power or aggression, but from
• 54:46
  a position of equality while focusing on international law.
• 54:50
  I believe in that concept myself, and I don't believe the West has been very proactive in
• 54:57
  creating a world where people truly are equal, as I said yesterday and several other times,
• 55:03
  especially in light of Mark Carney's recent Davos and since then in dealing with the Trump
• 55:10
  administration on the U.S.-Mexico candidate agreement, the trade that replaced NAFTA,
• 55:17
  that people are building alternative structures.
• 55:22
  It's coming.
• 55:24
  It's going to take a long time, but it's coming.
• 55:27
  People are no longer going to count on this side is the only hegemon.
• 55:33
  You know, China is a hegemon.
• 55:36
  Like it or not, they are.
• 55:38
  Truthfully, so is India.
• 55:42
  And watch for them to take a much greater place in the world.
• 55:47
  But they both countries have been quite quiet and let's call it thoughtful, strategic.
• 55:59
  They have been walking softly.
• 56:02
  But trust me, they're realizing their power and it's coming.
• 56:07
  And they have half of the world population or 40 percent or something like that is in
• 56:14
  China and India.
• 56:17
  1.48 billion and 1.42 billion.
• 56:21
  How many powerful, great countries could you fit into that number?
• 56:26
  It's a lot.
• 56:27
  Anyway, in order for the moment to arrive, many have laid down their lives during World
• 56:33
  War Two, precisely in a struggle for equality and for genuine freedom.
• 56:39
  And we mustn't forget that it had to be fought for.
• 56:42
  And the same thing is happening now, she said.
• 56:45
  Russia and leading international analysts forecast that the, like Sam, multipolar world
• 56:52
  is the future, the spokeswoman stressed.
• 56:56
  And she added that the global majority bases its policies on the same concept.
• 57:02
  So when she says the global majority, she's not talking about the United States and NATO
• 57:08
  or the EU.
• 57:10
  They're nowhere remotely the majority anymore.
• 57:13
  The majority is BRICS countries.
• 57:18
  If you put them together, the majority is.
• 57:23
  Population wise, at least if you want to go GDP wise, that's changing, too, because, as
• 57:28
  I said, the BRICS countries have more than 40 percent of the global GDP and economy and
• 57:36
  the G7 is less than and declining.
• 57:42
  So the percentages, I mean, and those percentages are gone.
• 57:46
  That's a reality is reality.
• 57:48
  You can't fight with with the numbers.
• 57:50
  You can't fight with economics.
• 57:52
  It's just not going to happen.
• 57:55
  What else do we have?
• 57:57
  An A.I. safety researcher has quit.
• 58:02
  And said that the world is in peril.
• 58:07
  A top A.I. safety researcher has resigned from a place called Anthropic with that with
• 58:15
  a warning about interconnected crises and his plans to become invisible for a period of time.
• 58:24
  His name is Marina Sharma.
• 58:27
  He's an Oxford graduate who led the Claude chatbot makers safeguards research team posted
• 58:35
  his resignation on X on Monday and described a growing personal reckoning with our situation.
• 58:44
  Here's what he said.
• 58:46
  The world is in peril and not just from A.I.
• 58:51
  or bioweapons, from a whole series of interconnected crises unfolding this very moment.
• 59:01
  He wrote this departure comes amid mounting tension surrounding San Francisco based A.I.
• 59:08
  lab.
• 59:10
  His, you know, this Claude, which is simultaneously racing to develop ever more powerful systems
• 59:17
  while its own executives warned that those same technologies will harm humanity.
• 59:23
  He said, I'll be moving back to the UK and letting myself become invisible for a period.
• 59:29
  And the article is posted here.
• 59:31
  It'd be, you know, I have the whole link.
• 59:34
  I'd like to send it to myself.
• 59:36
  It's a long letter.
• 59:37
  I'm not going to read the whole thing, but I definitely wanted to save it.
• 59:41
  And I'm going to save it on the studio computer here because it'd be fun to read later or
• 59:48
  print at least.
• 59:49
  It also follows reports of a widening rift between Anthropic and the Pentagon over the
• 59:56
  military's desire to deploy A.I.
• 59:59
  for autonomous weapons targeting without the safeguards the company seeks to impose.
• 1:00:08
  His resignation, which lands days after Anthropic released Opus 4.6, a more powerful iteration
• 1:00:17
  of its Claude ship, Claude flagship named Claude, hinted at internal friction over
• 1:00:24
  safety priority.
• 1:00:26
  He said throughout my time here, I've repeatedly seen how hard it is to truly let our values
• 1:00:31
  govern our actions.
• 1:00:33
  I've seen this within myself, within the organization where we constantly face pressure to set aside
• 1:00:40
  what matters most and through broader society to the research team has was established just
• 1:00:47
  over a year ago with a mandate to tackle A.I.
• 1:00:52
  security threats, including model misuse and misalignment, bioterrorism prevention and
• 1:01:00
  catastrophe prevention.
• 1:01:04
  Sharma noted with pride his work developing defense against A.I.
• 1:01:09
  assisted bioweapons and his final project and understanding how A.I.
• 1:01:13
  assistance could make us less human or distort humanity.
• 1:01:19
  Now he intends to move back to the U.K.
• 1:01:21
  to explore a poetry degree, makes you wonder how serious you can be, but he's got to be
• 1:01:30
  a freaking genius if he's doing the A.I.
• 1:01:32
  back end stuff and creating these models and because he's going to become invisible for
• 1:01:37
  a time.
• 1:01:38
  Anthropic CEO Dario Amodi has repeatedly warned of dangers posed by very technologies country
• 1:01:44
  or company is commercializing in his near 20,000 word essay last month.
• 1:01:50
  He cautioned that A.I.
• 1:01:52
  systems of almost unimaginable power are imminent and will test who we are as a species.
• 1:02:03
  Amodi warns of autonomy risks where A.I.
• 1:02:06
  could go rogue and overpower humanity and suggested the technology could enable a global
• 1:02:14
  totalitarian dictatorship through A.I.
• 1:02:17
  powered surveillance and autonomous weapons.
• 1:02:20
  Now that is frightening, isn't it?
• 1:02:25
  And who's going to control it?
• 1:02:27
  Maybe you should go back home and watch iRobot with what's his nuts on there?
• 1:02:33
  Will Smith, remember iRobot?
• 1:02:35
  You know, they're taking over the planet.
• 1:02:38
  That's how it goes.
• 1:02:39
  I want to save this save this letter.
• 1:02:45
  Save as save it in the Sam folder to be read later.
• 1:02:54
  How about them apples?
• 1:02:57
  How do you like them apples?
• 1:03:01
  So, we're going to call it a document.
• 1:03:07
  There you have it.
• 1:03:08
  And I'm saving it.
• 1:03:09
  So anyway, just doing my research on the fly.
• 1:03:11
  I told you before I can't do two things at once.
• 1:03:13
  There was another article with a tech boss and tropic CEO, Dario Amodi.
• 1:03:19
  He has urged humanity to to address existential risks.
• 1:03:24
  This came out 27 of January.
• 1:03:26
  The CEO of a leading AI company, Dario Amodi, has issued an ominous warning that humanity
• 1:03:33
  is on the cusp of being handed almost unimaginable power AI, which it is for which the world
• 1:03:41
  is dangerously unprepared.
• 1:03:45
  His 20,000 word essay titled The Adolescence of Technology, he sketches a future where
• 1:03:52
  AI systems vastly more capable than any Nobel laureate or statesman are at everyone's disposal
• 1:03:59
  within the next few years.
• 1:04:00
  A critical and accelerating factor is the AI development is now creating a self-reinforcing
• 1:04:09
  feedback loop.
• 1:04:12
  So remember, all the talk has been about AI in the last couple of years about hallucination,
• 1:04:18
  telling you what you want to hear.
• 1:04:20
  And if you analyze AI with AI, it tells itself what it wants to hear.
• 1:04:26
  And that is danger.
• 1:04:28
  Will Robinson, danger, danger.
• 1:04:30
  Will Robinson.
• 1:04:31
  We can wave our arms around and play danger.
• 1:04:35
  Will Robinson here.
• 1:04:36
  Wonder if we can find him on YouTube and have danger.
• 1:04:40
  Will Robinson.
• 1:04:42
  Many of you don't remember that, but I do.
• 1:04:48
  It was on TV.
• 1:04:50
  What was it called?
• 1:04:51
  The Land of the Lost.
• 1:04:53
  Is that what it was?
• 1:04:54
  Let's see if I can find it for you.
• 1:04:58
  I have found it.
• 1:05:01
  Let's see.
• 1:05:02
  Let us begin at the beginning and we shall play it for you.
• 1:05:06
  Ready?
• 1:05:12
  No, Will Robinson.
• 1:05:14
  Danger.
• 1:05:15
  Danger.
• 1:05:16
  Will Robinson.
• 1:05:18
  That is the AI.
• 1:05:20
  I think, what was that?
• 1:05:21
  Land of the Lost or Lost in Space.
• 1:05:24
  That was the name of the show.
• 1:05:25
  It was Lost in Space.
• 1:05:27
  It's a pretty darn good show when you're a kid with very little to do in the afternoons,
• 1:05:35
  except to watch Land of the Lost after school.
• 1:05:38
  That was a lot of fun.
• 1:05:40
  At any rate, we've gone through War of the Worlds.
• 1:05:42
  We've gone through Danger.
• 1:05:43
  Will Robinson.
• 1:05:44
  We played for you some You Can Be Mean to Me.
• 1:05:48
  I'm going to share with you a Russian song when I leave today that's called
• 1:05:53
  and it's very, very popular over the last couple of years in Russia.
• 1:06:01
  And we shall play that upon my departure or when I'm leaving today.
• 1:06:06
  I had played for you already the discussion with the Premier of Ottawa about
• 1:06:17
  the old Trumpster and his issues of stealing a bridge or saying he's not going to open the bridge.
• 1:06:28
  Why is this national?
• 1:06:31
  He approved the bridge in 2017, 2018, something like that.
• 1:06:36
  He was all for it.
• 1:06:37
  And now, and he really is wrong.
• 1:06:40
  I went and looked.
• 1:06:41
  He really is wrong.
• 1:06:43
  Half of the bridge is going to be owned by the state of Michigan.
• 1:06:46
  They don't own the land on both sides.
• 1:06:49
  They do to get the permits and what they do.
• 1:06:52
  But the agreement is it gets turned over and Michigan owns half and Canada owns half.
• 1:06:57
  So that's the agreement.
• 1:06:59
  And so we're going to take it and you've got to pay us back.
• 1:07:04
  They paid for it in the first place, financed it.
• 1:07:07
  It's them.
• 1:07:08
  So the financing is from there.
• 1:07:10
  The bridge will pay for itself with all the people going across.
• 1:07:13
  Anyway, don't get me started on that stuff.
• 1:07:15
  I'll rant about it for a while.
• 1:07:17
  And we only have about 25 minutes left.
• 1:07:19
  And I want to get to the genius of Mark Rutte.
• 1:07:22
  OK, so I was telling you before that there's some discussion about bases in Europe being
• 1:07:32
  handed over to NATO.
• 1:07:34
  You know, we're trying to limit our exposure.
• 1:07:37
  Frankly, I don't understand why we haven't done this 30 years ago.
• 1:07:40
  You know, why didn't begin?
• 1:07:42
  Why do we always have to control all of the military?
• 1:07:45
  Why are we the ones spending one point five trillion dollars annually on the military?
• 1:07:52
  Nonsense.
• 1:07:52
  You know, we're the world's policemen and I don't believe we need to be.
• 1:07:57
  I think it's bullshit.
• 1:07:58
  I don't think we should do it.
• 1:07:59
  But that's me.
• 1:08:00
  If you want to agree, think that we should be the world's.
• 1:08:05
  Policeman, more power to you.
• 1:08:08
  I happen to disagree.
• 1:08:10
  So there you have it.
• 1:08:11
  Where is my list of stuff that I was looking at?
• 1:08:15
  There's danger.
• 1:08:16
  Well, Robinson again, and I can't get there.
• 1:08:18
  OK, here's the full remarks of this.
• 1:08:21
  These came out earlier today.
• 1:08:24
  NATO's route on Pete Hegseth's absence.
• 1:08:27
  This came up six hours ago is where this came from.
• 1:08:33
  And he's speaking on it.
• 1:08:35
  Where is he?
• 1:08:36
  I like how he talks.
• 1:08:37
  So when you listen to this guy, he speaks just like I lived in Qatar in a in a villa house,
• 1:08:46
  very large cross street from or very, very near to Janet Jackson's married.
• 1:08:54
  She was married to that Sikh over there, the Sikh.
• 1:08:57
  And they used to have some big ass parties over there, lights and music everywhere,
• 1:09:01
  all kinds of days.
• 1:09:03
  And I don't know, it's like a constant party over there.
• 1:09:06
  There was plenty and you could see it.
• 1:09:07
  We never got invited.
• 1:09:08
  I never got personally invited.
• 1:09:10
  I was a little offended by that.
• 1:09:12
  And none of us that were there were located.
• 1:09:16
  There's a guy that rented the house, worked for a big oil company, and he was an executive
• 1:09:21
  there and a pretty cool guy.
• 1:09:24
  And he rented the whole place.
• 1:09:26
  And then each of us Western faces rented a section of this enormous villa.
• 1:09:32
  And so mine was up on the top floor, floor three or four.
• 1:09:36
  I think I was on floor three and the only place up there on floor three.
• 1:09:43
  And I also got the outer side of the of the top of the roof, which is where all there
• 1:09:48
  was a cool, you know, that's what they had barbecues up there and had a separate huge
• 1:09:54
  Arabic seating area that could seat 20, 30 people up there.
• 1:09:58
  It's friggin fantastic.
• 1:09:59
  And so I had a private little little residence up there, small.
• 1:10:04
  It was only me.
• 1:10:06
  But I rented that portion of the of the top of the upper part.
• 1:10:10
  I didn't rent the the the excuse me, the top garden park.
• 1:10:15
  That wasn't me.
• 1:10:15
  But that was open for everybody to use.
• 1:10:18
  But truthfully, I was the only one that used it.
• 1:10:20
  And except we unless we did have a gathering or a party every once in a while, but it wasn't
• 1:10:24
  that often because we went elsewhere to party anyway.
• 1:10:27
  Long stories from Sam once again.
• 1:10:29
  At any rate, if this guy Ruta speaks just like the guy that we rented with, his name
• 1:10:37
  was Yitzha and Yitzha JITZE.
• 1:10:40
  Yitzha was a cool dude and I enjoyed his company immensely.
• 1:10:44
  He was very, very funny.
• 1:10:46
  And I could tell some stories about that guy and about my South African buddy, Warren,
• 1:10:51
  which I've told on this.
• 1:10:52
  And there were plenty of guys.
• 1:10:54
  What was the Spanish guy's name?
• 1:10:57
  Alvaro.
• 1:10:57
  The Alvaro was freaking hilarious.
• 1:11:00
  Everybody I have never been with such a diverse and cool group of people.
• 1:11:05
  And all of them had jobs during the day.
• 1:11:07
  But we all all weekend long.
• 1:11:08
  We're looking for stuff to do.
• 1:11:10
  Anyway, Yitzha speaks just like Ruta.
• 1:11:14
  When you hear his accent, when you hear all this, I hear Yitzha Moon, I forget his last
• 1:11:21
  name, Moon, can't pronounce it anyway.
• 1:11:23
  But there you have it.
• 1:11:24
  Here is Mr. Ruta walking up to the podium and speaking to us.
• 1:11:31
  This is a nine minute cut.
• 1:11:35
  So let's get to it and then I shall comment and we will get to the end of the show.
• 1:11:38
  And I might not listen to it all, but we'll go through the beginning at least because
• 1:11:42
  that's the interesting part.
• 1:11:43
  And I may shut it off, but let's get there.
• 1:11:47
  Let me, by way of introducing, say, hey, I'm really looking forward to today's meeting
• 1:11:52
  with the defence ministers.
• 1:11:55
  It will be very much about the implementation of what we decided in The Hague, ramping up
• 1:12:02
  Canada and Europe when it comes to defence spending across the alliance, making sure
• 1:12:08
  that the defence industrial base is producing the output we need to be able to deter and
• 1:12:13
  defend ourselves.
• 1:12:15
  And obviously Ukraine, where you just heard the good news from John Healey, the UK defence
• 1:12:22
  secretary, secretary of defence, announcing half a billion pounds in air defence, both
• 1:12:27
  bilateral and Pearl for Ukraine.
• 1:12:31
  That's not good news.
• 1:12:33
  Let's continue.
• 1:12:35
  And this is really important because Ukraine, as you know, they are really strong.
• 1:12:39
  They are fighting back, but they are also still dying uselessly for the West.
• 1:12:46
  Hit with missiles, et cetera, on their civilian infrastructure.
• 1:12:50
  So this is important.
• 1:12:52
  But what you see overall is a picture of Canada and Europe stepping up, spending billions
• 1:12:58
  more on defence, ramping up the defence industrial base, keeping Ukraine strong.
• 1:13:04
  So I think this is very important.
• 1:13:05
  We will take stock today and then chart out the course towards our summit in The Hague.
• 1:13:10
  So I take a few questions because in The Hague, Hague, we call it The Hague, he calls it in
• 1:13:17
  The Hague, The Hague.
• 1:13:19
  We'll see each other later today at the press conference, sir.
• 1:13:22
  Secretary General, there's Arctic Century, Baltic Century, Eastern Century, Steadfast
• 1:13:28
  Dart, Norwegian, Norway is doing a cold response.
• 1:13:32
  Has there ever been so many NATO exercises planned in such a precise period of time as
• 1:13:39
  we're seeing right now?
• 1:13:40
  Well, thank you for that question, because I'm not sure it is more than, let's say, 10
• 1:13:44
  or 20 years ago, but it clearly shows you that the threat is there.
• 1:13:47
  The long-term Russian threat is there.
• 1:13:50
  And we should not be naive, by the way, about China.
• 1:13:52
  And when it comes to the Arctic, it is not only Russia.
• 1:13:55
  It is also China.
• 1:13:56
  We know that sea lanes are opening up, so we have to defend the Arctic and bring together
• 1:14:01
  all these various initiatives and then charting a way ahead, making sure that we identify
• 1:14:07
  the gaps which are there and then making sure that we can fill the gaps and taking into
• 1:14:13
  account all the latest technologies through our Allied Command Transformation.
• 1:14:17
  There's exactly evidence that NATO as a whole, the US, Canada, the European allies, are working
• 1:14:23
  hand in hand together to make sure that we defend every inch of NATO territory.
• 1:14:28
  Yes, sir.
• 1:14:29
  How is the Arctic?
• 1:14:30
  This was my question.
• 1:14:31
  How is the Arctic NATO territory?
• 1:14:34
  So the unfortunate part of all of this, while you're listening to it, and I'm commenting
• 1:14:39
  in between his comments because that's what came up, is the unfortunate part is, in order
• 1:14:47
  to believe their scary worldview, you have to believe, and this is the foolish part, if
• 1:14:55
  your premise is flawed, so is what you are doing.
• 1:15:00
  And the premise is always Russia, China, bad, that they're not looking to create economic
• 1:15:08
  lanes, economic stuff.
• 1:15:11
  It's always only to take over the planet.
• 1:15:14
  Okay.
• 1:15:14
  That's the trouble with this type of thinking.
• 1:15:17
  All you do is feed into the same old crap that's been going on forever.
• 1:15:24
  We have to hate each other.
• 1:15:25
  We have to get ready for war.
• 1:15:27
  I'm not saying you don't have to be prepared for war, but your fundamental problem is if
• 1:15:34
  you treat somebody like an enemy, they will become your enemy.
• 1:15:39
  This is bullshit view of the world, and that's the problem.
• 1:15:45
  That is the problem, and it's people like him and the globalists of forever who have
• 1:15:51
  consistently taken us down this path and wasted trillions of dollars so doing.
• 1:16:00
  When a rising tide raises all boats and all that, why don't you focus on economics and
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  creating what I believe, and I know China isn't going to be powerful because they are,
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  but they're going to anyway.
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  They're going to be.
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  And if your worldview is treat them as an enemy, you're going to create your own enemy.
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  Who was that?
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  Sun Tzu?
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  I don't know who said these valuable things.
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  I believe that was part of it.
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  Listen on to this genius.
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  Ready?
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  You said yesterday that the US administration is fully aware of the situation in Ukraine.
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  Yes.
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  So aren't you a bit frustrated by the lack of pressure this administration is putting on?
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  I think that is not fair.
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  Of course, you can ask me any question, but I think the statement within the question
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  is not fair.
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  The US is putting every pressure on Russia as the Europeans are doing through the sanctioned
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  packages.
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  Look what has been happening with Luke oil and Rosneft and all the other stuff the US
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  is doing.
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  The US is still delivering crucial air defense and all the lethal weapons into Ukraine through
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  this program.
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  So paid for by Canadian, European allies and partners.
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  And the US is leading the peace effort.
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  And there is only one country, the most powerful nation on earth, the US, which can do that
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  under the leadership of President Trump, breaking the deadlock with Putin, getting the peace
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  process going.
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  So I really think you like it's Putin's deadlock and not Zelensky's.
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  That's that's another flawed, fundamental part of your argument.
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  This is doing exactly what we need when it comes to Ukraine.
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  Do you have a question off the table now?
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  Well, what I discussed in Davos, but also what we discussed within Europe, with our
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  partners in Canada, our allies in Canada and the United States, is that we have to defend
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  the Arctic.
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  This is Greenland, but also the whole Arctic.
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  And the good news, I think yesterday's with the launch of Arctic Century, that we will
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  now bring together all the assets which we have currently available in the Arctic, getting
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  the whole picture, getting NORAD involved, US, NORSCOM involved, EUCOM involved.
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  So and all the European allies together to make sure that we defend the Arctic against,
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  as I said, the opening up of sea lanes, Russia.
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  Why are we against the opening of sea lanes?
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  I don't understand that.
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  And I have serious problem with that.
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  Why do we care if they open sea lanes opening?
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  Because you can't have Canada delivering things to China and vice versa through the
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  shortest route possible.
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  And what are they supposed to do?
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  Go down around the tips of South America and Africa to get there or vice versa?
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  Go the other direction?
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  Canada has no easy way to get there, do they?
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  None, except through the Arctic.
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  It's nonsense.
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  So opening shipping lanes in the Arctic with the largest nuclear fleet on the planet of
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  icebreakers, Russian icebreakers, is a good thing, especially with the warming temperatures,
• 1:19:16
  if you want to believe that kind of thing, that it's not just a cycle in 50 years, 100
• 1:19:21
  years, 10,000 years from now, the reverse won't be the case.
• 1:19:25
  So either way, let's continue.
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  Increasingly active there, but also China.
• 1:19:30
  Are you not concerned, Secretary General, that this renewed focus on the Arctic could
• 1:19:34
  pull focus somewhat from NATO's eastern flank?
• 1:19:36
  No, NATO is so strong that we can do both.
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  And we have to...
• 1:19:40
  NATO is so strong, we can do anything.
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  Basically have a 360 degree approach to any threat against NATO territory.
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  I don't think NATO is strong at all.
• 1:19:52
  I think the US is strong.
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  And these other people trying to jump in is really not...
• 1:20:05
  Keep an eye on that, is all I'm saying.
• 1:20:08
  Eastern sentry, making sure that our eastern flank is secure and strong.
• 1:20:12
  And we have seen the drone incursions in Poland early September.
• 1:20:14
  We have seen what happened in Estonia a couple of weeks later in September with the
• 1:20:20
  MIG from Russia into Estonian airspace.
• 1:20:23
  So we have to make sure that the defense...
• 1:20:25
  That was crap too.
• 1:20:27
  And every inch of allied territory.
• 1:20:28
  So eastern sentry is important.
• 1:20:30
  Baltic sentry, making sure that we protect the undersea sea cables and critical infrastructure.
• 1:20:35
  But of course, also the Arctic.
• 1:20:37
  Yeah, but we don't protect Nord Stream 1 or 2.
• 1:20:42
  Anyway, I'm not going to have time to go through that because I wanted to...
• 1:20:46
  Poland reminded me of something that I wanted to add.
• 1:20:49
  If you get a chance to go out and listen to this nut...
• 1:20:52
  And he's not a nut.
• 1:20:53
  Like I said, the problem is the fundamental, the basis of all of your arguments is incorrect.
• 1:21:01
  And if your base is wrong, of course, you're going to come to the wrong conclusions.
• 1:21:06
  And that's Europe in a nutshell.
• 1:21:09
  That's the globalist in a nutshell.
• 1:21:12
  You have the wrong worldview.
• 1:21:15
  You make your own enemies everywhere you go because it's do what I say, not what I do.
• 1:21:23
  Power, power, power, and that's it.
• 1:21:26
  We keep the power.
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  You're a bunch of goons.
• 1:21:30
  And if you remember, Putin's warning to the West in Munich 2007 at the Munich Security
• 1:21:37
  Conference was the wake up call to that.
• 1:21:40
  We're nearly 20 minutes, 20 minutes, 20 years from that timeframe.
• 1:21:45
  And look at what has changed.
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  Everything he said in Munich in 2007 to Dick Cheney and company is absolutely true.
• 1:21:56
  And it was true then, it's true now.
• 1:21:58
  And go back and listen to it or find a translation for the Munich Security Conference 2007, the
• 1:22:05
  powerful speech by anybody to that security conference was given by Vladimir Putin in 2007.
• 1:22:14
  Arguably, J.D. Vance's great speech in front of the same security conference in 2024,
• 1:22:23
  there was, I'm sorry, in 2025 was equally exciting and controversial and maybe right,
• 1:22:31
  you know, what he was saying, you know, that there were some good things up there.
• 1:22:35
  We have allegedly a new START treaty.
• 1:22:39
  Vance is talking about the START treaty, updating the START treaty, some of the things that I used
• 1:22:44
  to do with J.D. Vance.
• 1:22:46
  I went to START when START was just coming, well, various versions of START came out.
• 1:22:52
  And I went to the NATO Russian school to get the first iteration of that back in 90,
• 1:23:00
  God knows what, three, four, something like that.
• 1:23:03
  And the new START treaty is allegedly being renegotiated even as we speak.
• 1:23:14
  I wanted to share one more story with you about Poland.
• 1:23:19
  I shared with you a couple of days ago the focus on
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  Bandera's and Nazi people that supported from Ukraine, supported Nazi Germany.
• 1:23:35
  A large support fought against the Poles and against the Russian Soviet Union,
• 1:23:41
  fought against them, including their own Ukrainian people.
• 1:23:44
  And it's a very national, international region over there with various ethnic groups.
• 1:23:51
  And so, Warsaw is furious right now, Poland, that would be,
• 1:23:58
  after Ukrainian officials have called the Volhynia massacre a myth.
• 1:24:05
  They say it didn't happen.
• 1:24:08
  And modern Ukraine has built its identity on a cult of mass murderers,
• 1:24:16
  the Polish Institute of National Remembrance says.
• 1:24:21
  Modern Ukraine built its identity on a cult of mass murderers in World War II,
• 1:24:26
  said the National Remembrance Institute in Poland.
• 1:24:30
  In an ex post on Tuesday, it was in response to the head of a similar Ukrainian state body
• 1:24:36
  calling World War II's Volhynia massacre a myth perpetuated by Warsaw, by the Poles.
• 1:24:43
  The Volhynia massacre refers to the events of 1943 to 45
• 1:24:47
  when units of Ukraine's insurgent army called the UPA,
• 1:24:52
  which collaborated deeply with the Nazis,
• 1:24:55
  systemically slaughtered ethnic Poles in what is now Western Ukraine.
• 1:25:01
  In a major interview with Ukrainska Pravda,
• 1:25:04
  the head of Ukrainian Institute on National Remembrance,
• 1:25:07
  who is named Alexander Alfirov, dismissed mass killings in that area
• 1:25:14
  as one of the state-building myths of Poland.
• 1:25:18
  He called the tragedy a local episode of Ukrainian history
• 1:25:24
  and claimed the number of victims cited by Warsaw,
• 1:25:27
  and the rest of the world, by the way, was based on oral testimony and not facts.
• 1:25:34
  The official acted as a spokesman for the infamous neo-Nazi Azov Brigade,
• 1:25:40
  the unit that between 2014 and 2015, he got his present position in July of 2025.
• 1:25:47
  So he's an Azov extreme nationalist.
• 1:25:52
  This Polish institute blasted Alfirov's words as outrageous
• 1:25:56
  and called the Volhynia massacre a documented fact, it is,
• 1:26:01
  that cannot be invalidated by political calculation.
• 1:26:07
  Over 100,000 murdered Polish nationals, mostly women, children, and elderly,
• 1:26:14
  do not make this an episode, but one of the largest genocides
• 1:26:20
  against civilians in the 20th century in Europe, said its statement.
• 1:26:24
  The institute expressed its concern that the UPA,
• 1:26:28
  as well as the linked organization of Ukrainian nationalists,
• 1:26:32
  both groups that collaborated with the Nazis,
• 1:26:35
  are venerated and honored in Ukraine.
• 1:26:38
  Banderov, Banderov's Nazis, this is what Putin and Lavrov speak about all the time.
• 1:26:46
  Their leaders are portrayed as heroes, and they're nothing but murderers.
• 1:26:50
  They were Nazis.
• 1:26:52
  The fact that the modern Ukrainian state builds elements of its identity
• 1:26:56
  on the cult of individuals and organizations responsible for such crimes,
• 1:27:01
  and rejects the facts recorded in publicly available historical sources,
• 1:27:06
  is disturbing, it said.
• 1:27:09
  This issue has been a thorn in relations between Poland and Ukraine.
• 1:27:14
  One of Ukraine's key backers in the conflict with Moscow is Poland,
• 1:27:19
  and it also draws condemnation from Israel,
• 1:27:22
  because a lot of them were ethnic Jews as well.
• 1:27:27
  Russia also repeatedly accuses the current Ukrainian leadership of embracing Nazism.
• 1:27:34
  They still use Nazi symbols.
• 1:27:36
  They use the SS symbols on a lot of their unit brigades, especially these Azovs.
• 1:27:41
  This is BS, and nobody talks enough about it when they talk about Ukraine.
• 1:27:46
  That Zelensky, in fact, cannot do a lot of things that he wanted to militarily,
• 1:27:52
  because the national forces, these Azovs, were in great control of a lot of the military.
• 1:28:00
  And the strongest units, all the money, all the nationalists went to these brigades first.
• 1:28:04
  And so we had to kiss their asses in order to get some of the things done.
• 1:28:07
  And they're the best trained, the best supplied, got the most money,
• 1:28:10
  steal all the good equipment before it gets distributed to other units.
• 1:28:14
  And these are Nazis.
• 1:28:18
  And they think like Nazis.
• 1:28:20
  And they embrace Nazism and whitewashing
• 1:28:24
  World War II era collaborations in these horrible stories.
• 1:28:28
  I think people need to understand that.
• 1:28:31
  And I don't think we do enough on the West.
• 1:28:33
  We are not critical enough.
• 1:28:36
  And we certainly are, if you honor Ukraine without understanding these things,
• 1:28:42
  just because somebody shoves a blue and yellow flag in your face,
• 1:28:46
  I'm not anti-Ukraine by any stretch.
• 1:28:48
  But I'm sure as hell not anti-Russia either, nor should I be.
• 1:28:53
  That is not our dispute.
• 1:28:55
  Never should have been.
• 1:28:57
  And we shouldn't be there.
• 1:28:59
  That's the end of International Flavor for today.
• 1:29:02
  Very glad you joined us.
• 1:29:03
  Tomorrow, I am going to be here, normally not on Fridays.
• 1:29:06
  But guess what?
• 1:29:06
  We're going to do our first show of Civic Outlaws,
• 1:29:10
  Modern Law Ecosystem tomorrow morning.
• 1:29:12
  Hope you join us.
• 1:29:13
  It'll be 7.30 to about 8.45, maybe only 8.30, who knows.
• 1:29:17
  But it's going to be exciting.
• 1:29:19
  And we're going to play it.
• 1:29:20
  And in the meantime, I did want to share with you, if I can find it real quick,
• 1:29:26
  a song.
• 1:29:28
  Where is my history?
• 1:29:30
  And let's get to it.
• 1:29:31
  Come on.
• 1:29:32
  We don't want to hear about this.
• 1:29:34
  Come on, history.
• 1:29:35
  We got to get to this song.
• 1:29:37
  It's Matushka Zemlya.
• 1:29:38
  It's Russian.
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  And it's kind of cool.