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MANHUNT: FLORIDA MOM ABDUCTED BROAD DAYLIGHT AT BUSY INTERSECTION · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
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  Speaker 2: Breaking news tonight.
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  Speaker 1: Manhunt after a Florida mom carjacked in broad daylight at
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  Speaker 1: a busy intersection, and it does not have a happy ending.
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  Speaker 1: Mommy's Dodge Durango found a few short miles away on fire,
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  Speaker 1: Mommy's body riddled with bullets inside.
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  Speaker 2: The only clue a green Acura.
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  Speaker 1: Good evening. I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories, and
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  Speaker 1: I want to thank you for being with us.
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  Speaker 3: And one one day each fire a medical I don't
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  Speaker 3: need anything. But there's a guy going down Eastlake Drive
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  Speaker 3: in Seminole County with he was chasing the car, hit
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  Speaker 3: the car, got out of his car with a hood
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  Speaker 3: over his face and had a machine gun. It looked
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  Speaker 3: like got in the car with the other guy and
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  Speaker 3: then the car that he got out of did a
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  Speaker 3: U turn. One fact down East Lake driving their head
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  Speaker 3: back towards seventeen.
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  Speaker 1: Ninety two, every mom was worse my nightmare. You're in
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  Speaker 1: your car alone or worse with your children, and out
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  Speaker 1: of nowhere, somebody behind you bumps your car. You stop,
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  Speaker 1: next thing you know, your carjact. I will never forget
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  Speaker 1: the first carjack murder case I investigated and tried just
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  Speaker 1: out of the blue.
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  Speaker 2: You can't see it coming.
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  Speaker 1: This mom at an intersection, a red light, a busy
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  Speaker 1: intersection in broad daylight, but from behind the next thing
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  Speaker 1: you know, she's carjacked. Listen agreeing a c.
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  Speaker 3: NFL east late driving tuscalottle row. But they're headed back
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  Speaker 3: forward seventeen ninety two right now, And it's like, I've
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  Speaker 3: got some video of it, but can you do something?
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  Speaker 4: Now?
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  Speaker 3: Goes what's going on? No, the guy had a machine
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  Speaker 3: gun and guy the guy had opened the door and
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  Speaker 3: was pointing to the gun at him, and then he
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  Speaker 3: got in the back seat of the car. And then
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  Speaker 3: the car that was changing them to you turn and
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  Speaker 3: they went back towards seventeen two.
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  Speaker 1: This is a bystander, for lack of a better word,
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  Speaker 1: a witness in the car behind mommy.
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  Speaker 2: Let's take a listen to more of than nine one
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  Speaker 2: one call? What do we learn?
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  Speaker 3: A green kind of a Kira? An old an older
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  Speaker 3: model had plaster crap over the license plate so I
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  Speaker 3: couldn't get a license plate number. Clearly Meanda, kinda akira?
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  Speaker 1: Okay, can't you sell you?
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  Speaker 4: What's haw?
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  Speaker 3: Them?
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  Speaker 5: West?
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  Speaker 6: Men?
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  Speaker 4: Are you just want them to shut that out.
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  Speaker 3: I think you guys do something. That poor guy's been
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  Speaker 3: held up by some guy with a machine gun.
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  Speaker 1: Except it wasn't a poor guy, it's a young mom
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  Speaker 1: right there. When you see a car, a vehicle going
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  Speaker 1: by and they've got their tag obscured, that's a problem
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  Speaker 1: with me. An all star panel to make sense of
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  Speaker 1: what we know right now. Straight out to Jennifer Torres,
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  Speaker 1: Senior investigative reporter, golf Live dot com. Jennifer, thank you
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  Speaker 1: for being with us. That's a tip off right there.
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  Speaker 1: When you've got a tag obscured. Tell me about that intersection.
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  Speaker 1: Where is it?
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  Speaker 5: Well, that intersection is so she was in Winter Springs, Florida,
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  Speaker 5: and that is considered a suburb of Orlando, and it's
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  Speaker 5: a busy intersection. She was in the first place to turn,
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  Speaker 5: and the car behind her, as we can see, a
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  Speaker 5: man got out. It was a brazen, brazen crime to
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  Speaker 5: do in front of so many people. Obviously it was
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  Speaker 5: caught on video footage, but just as easily someone could
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  Speaker 5: have gotten out of their car and gone over there
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  Speaker 5: and gotten involved. So very brazen place to do this,
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  Speaker 5: to commit this crime.
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  Speaker 1: Let's take a listen to that last part of the
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  Speaker 1: nine one one call one more time. I want you
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  Speaker 1: to hear what's being said.
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  Speaker 3: A green kind of a Kira an old an older
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  Speaker 3: model had plastic graph over the license plates, so I
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  Speaker 3: couldn't get a license plate number clearly Honda.
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  Speaker 7: Okay, can you say you who's had them law enforcement
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  Speaker 7: or just want them to shut that out?
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  Speaker 3: I think you guys need to do something. That poor
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  Speaker 3: guy's been held up by some guy with a machine.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, correct me if I'm wrong. Or Brandt, former US
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  Speaker 1: Marshall Service and International Investigations Branch author, flying solo top
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  Speaker 1: of the World on Amazon Earth is the nine one
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  Speaker 1: one dispatch? What on a sleep on drugs? Watching TikTok?
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  Speaker 1: Did you hear what he said? Do you want to
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  Speaker 1: meet with law enforcement or do you just want them
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  Speaker 1: to check it out? And the guy's like, I think
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  Speaker 1: you need to send somebody out here because the victim
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  Speaker 1: has been carjacked by machine gun? What's with nine one one.
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  Speaker 8: Nancy, I don't know. It's it's almost like, uh, the
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  Speaker 8: nine one one operator wasn't understanding what that guy was
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  Speaker 8: trying to tell him that someone was being carjacked. Right
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  Speaker 8: now that you know there was a weapon involved and
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  Speaker 8: he was pointing at someone in a vehicle. He to me,
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  Speaker 8: he gave a very clear and concise description of you
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  Speaker 8: know what he's saw, and I don't know what that
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  Speaker 8: Nine one one operator was thinking, like, you know, do
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  Speaker 8: you want to meet with law enforcement? No, I don't
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  Speaker 8: want to come down to the station and have a
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  Speaker 8: conversation about it. I want you to send a patrol unit.
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  Speaker 8: You know right now, you know this this person is
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  Speaker 8: in the imminent danger.
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  Speaker 1: And let go straight out to high profile lawyer Brian Foley,
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  Speaker 1: former Chief Prosecutor in Houston and author of What Prosecutors
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  Speaker 1: Don't Tell You That's Upcoming. Brian Foley, thank you for
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  Speaker 1: being with us. This is not a spur of the moment,
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  Speaker 1: thaying Brian Foley.
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  Speaker 2: I don't want to hear anything about a.
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  Speaker 1: Crime of opportunity, which somehow, in many people's minds lessens
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  Speaker 1: the intent.
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  Speaker 2: This is planned.
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  Speaker 1: The carjacker kidnapper A just happens to have a machine
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  Speaker 1: gun in his car, and B is dressed sleuth ninja style,
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  Speaker 1: all in black, black hoodie over his head, wearing a mask.
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  Speaker 2: This was planned out.
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  Speaker 9: Yeah, I mean, I think the video speaks for itself.
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  Speaker 9: It's outrageous. You can't even believe what you're seeing on there.
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  Speaker 9: Somebody with a huge you know, semi automatic firearm or
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  Speaker 9: fully automatic. We don't even know that yet. But they
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  Speaker 9: just go into someone else's car ramming it. That alone
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  Speaker 9: would be an aggravated assault, you know. But this crime, now,
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  Speaker 9: the way it's played out, I mean, this is a
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  Speaker 9: death penalty eligible. It's the most serious type of crime
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  Speaker 9: that you have manhunt.
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  Speaker 1: A Florida mom kidnapped in broad deal ight and a
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  Speaker 1: busy intersection. Everybody's just driving by like nothing's happening. You know.
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  Speaker 1: Another issue to for instance, psychologist author of Dark Sides,
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  Speaker 1: doctor Jeff Kalashewski joining us, Doctor Jeff, that moment in
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  Speaker 1: your car where you're driving all alone, of God forbid,
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  Speaker 1: with your children. You look out the driver's window and
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  Speaker 1: there's a guy with a machine gun, an automatic weapon,
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  Speaker 1: telling you to slide over. You know, there's so many
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  Speaker 1: do this, do that, speed off, don't stop, don't stop,
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  Speaker 1: what's your win from behind?
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  Speaker 2: Keep your doors locked.
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  Speaker 1: But all that, I would imagine, just flies out of
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  Speaker 1: your mind when you've got a machine gun shoved in
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  Speaker 1: your head. This is a young mom name Catherine Aguavivas
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  Speaker 1: right there on a regular day, a regular day, minding
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  Speaker 1: her own business, and she's carjacked in broad daylight.
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  Speaker 2: Jeff right.
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  Speaker 10: Obviously, this kind of intensity of experience is shocking, and
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  Speaker 10: a lot of people would sit back and say, well
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  Speaker 10: why didn't she drive away? Well why did she open
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  Speaker 10: the door? But in that moment, you don't have your
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  Speaker 10: wits about you because obviously your anxiety went through the roof.
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  Speaker 10: You're concerned about your life and you're in a complete
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  Speaker 10: state of shock where you really can't access rational thought
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  Speaker 10: about what should I do?
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  Speaker 1: Now you know another thing, Doctor Jeff Kelshewski for psychologist,
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  Speaker 1: Doctor Jeff. People have different types of reactions. For instance,
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  Speaker 1: and my daughter and my son twins couldn't be more
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  Speaker 1: different in how they respond. My daughter freezes and she's
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  Speaker 1: no shrinking Violet, but she freezes in a moment of emergency,
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  Speaker 1: and that I understand is a very typical reaction.
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  Speaker 10: Absolutely, And we're talking about just not a common experience
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  Speaker 10: like someone gets hurt. We're talking about your life is
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  Speaker 10: on the line, and this is a type of experience
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  Speaker 10: you have no reference point for, so immediately you sort
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  Speaker 10: of go into a psychological shock and would not be
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  Speaker 10: uncommon for people to freeze in this situation and take
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  Speaker 10: direction from the perpetrator.
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  Speaker 1: I would love to report that this young mom of
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  Speaker 1: a little six year old girl was recovered safely.
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  Speaker 2: That is not the case.
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  Speaker 1: Take a listen to Seminole County Sheriff Dennis Alemma.
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  Speaker 11: Able tenth, a tot truck driver was murdered in Orange County.
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  Speaker 11: At that scene, a green vehicle matching the description of
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  Speaker 11: this green vehicle was located and there was more than
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  Speaker 11: one hundred rounds fired at that location. One of the
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  Speaker 11: rounds found at the scene were ten millimeters rounds, which
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  Speaker 11: is again an incredibly unique and uncommon round.
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  Speaker 4: For us to see out on the streets.
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  Speaker 1: Very uncommon round to be seen on the streets at
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  Speaker 1: ten millimeter round. So what does one hundred rounds fired
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  Speaker 1: at a location, a green Accura, and a missing mom
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  Speaker 1: have to do with each other?
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  Speaker 2: Along with let me just throw this in a tow truck.
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  Speaker 2: Take a listen to Dave matt Crime One.
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  Speaker 12: Catherine Auguas Vivas is on a road trip from her
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  Speaker 12: home and homestead, Florida, which is south of Miami, to
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  Speaker 12: Central Florida to visit with friends after going to Orlando.
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  Speaker 12: August Vivas calls her husband, Miguel in a panic. She
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  Speaker 12: tells him that she's in Winter Springs and there's a
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  Speaker 12: green Acura running into her back bumper. He tells her
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  Speaker 12: not to stop, keep driving, but neither of them call
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  Speaker 12: nine one one. At five point thirty pm, Auguas Vivas
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  Speaker 12: stops for a traffic light at the intersection at East
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  Speaker 12: Lake Drive and Tuskwala Road. What goes down next is
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  Speaker 12: caught on camera by a witness. A man dressed in
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  Speaker 12: all black gets out of the accurate and approaches the
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  Speaker 12: driver's side of August Vivis Dodge Durango and threatens her
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  Speaker 12: with a gun. He forces his way inside, climbing into
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  Speaker 12: the back seat, forcing Catherine Augus Vivas to drive. The
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  Speaker 12: eyewitness calls nine one one and more listen. Carjacked and kidnapped.
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  Speaker 12: Catherine Auguas Vivas drives off toward the seminole Orange County Line.
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  Speaker 12: Less than two hours after the carjacking kidnapping, witnesses near
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  Speaker 12: a construction side of Boggy Creek Road report hearing gunshots
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  Speaker 12: and seeing smoke. Investigators rush to the scene and find
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  Speaker 12: an SUV on fire and a dead body inside. Dental
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  Speaker 12: records in DNA are needed to confirm that police have
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  Speaker 12: just found Catherine Agos Vivis. Officials find a dozen ten
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  Speaker 12: milimeter handgun shells at the scene and the same type
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  Speaker 12: shells found a day before at the murder of towdrug
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  Speaker 12: driver Juan Garcia.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, there's the whole issue of ballistics matches. You've got
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  Speaker 1: the ten milimeters rounds found on the scene where her mommy,
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  Speaker 1: Catherine Ago Vias Dodge Durango is set on fire.
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  Speaker 2: Ten millimeter rounds.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, before that suddenly shares realize those ten millimeters match
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  Speaker 1: up to another case, multiple shells, maybe one hundred rounds
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  Speaker 1: found a day before at the murder of an unrelated
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  Speaker 1: tow truck driver.
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  Speaker 2: Now here's the thing.
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  Speaker 1: Anybody on the panel jumping on if you want about
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  Speaker 1: ballistics matches, they are like fingerprints. There's only one why.
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  Speaker 1: When a gun is made, of course, the metal dries.
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  Speaker 1: It's hot metal forged into the shape of a gun.
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  Speaker 1: It dries as it dries. On the outside of the gun,
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  Speaker 1: the metal is polished to look smooth and shiny. On
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  Speaker 1: the inside of the gun, it's not touched, so the
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  Speaker 1: metal on the inside of the barrel dries with bubbles
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  Speaker 1: and disfigurements. As the bullet is hurled at bullet speed
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  Speaker 1: down that barrel, it gets what we call striation marks,
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  Speaker 1: scratches that only that gun, that individual gun can leave
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  Speaker 1: on a bullet due to the imperfections in the drying process.
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  Speaker 9: That's right, and the striation marks are just like a fingerprint,
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  Speaker 9: and you'll get a special report that police will enter
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  Speaker 9: into databases that go nationwide so that they can identify
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  Speaker 9: guns no matter where they are. Now it being both
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  Speaker 9: in Florida. The ten milimeter round itself, just that alone
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  Speaker 9: is pretty significant. You see a lot of nine millimeters,
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  Speaker 9: you see three fifty sevens forty five, a lot of that,
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  Speaker 9: but ten milimeters special on its own. If that was
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  Speaker 9: the only thing they had, that would be important. But
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  Speaker 9: having those exact matches towards like the fingerprint analysis of
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  Speaker 9: a bullet with those striations like you mentioned, that's huge.
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  Speaker 9: Those are clearly going to be fired from the same gun.
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  Speaker 9: You can say that with really good certainty.
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  Speaker 1: And now, out of the blue, the next development, there's
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  Speaker 1: a fire.
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  Speaker 2: Gunshots are heard.
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  Speaker 1: When police approach the scene, they find Mommy's Dodge, Durango
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  Speaker 1: on Fire and Mommy Dead. Doctor Eric Ason joining us
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  Speaker 1: renowned forensic pathologists can stant.
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  Speaker 2: And you can find him online.
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  Speaker 1: Eric under a under athen Doctor Athon, thank you for
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  Speaker 1: being with us. Doctor Aeson explained to me why they
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  Speaker 1: were concerned they could not get DNA and thought they
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  Speaker 1: would have to use dental records instead.
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  Speaker 2: Was it because the body was burned so badly?
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  Speaker 4: That doesn't sound right to me. Uh.
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  Speaker 7: I've had several bodies found burned, like in a house
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  Speaker 7: fire or even a vehicle fire, and during the autopsy
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  Speaker 7: were usually able to get blood.
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  Speaker 4: So I'm not sure.
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  Speaker 7: What the problem was in this case.
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  Speaker 4: So I'm not sure.
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  Speaker 1: Well, question, where do you get the blood if the
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  Speaker 1: body is burned to a crisp Well.
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  Speaker 7: The internal organs in a charred body case are actually
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  Speaker 7: pretty well preserved.
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  Speaker 4: That's that.
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  Speaker 7: That was something that was a shock to me when
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  Speaker 7: I first started going into forensic mythology. I thought that
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  Speaker 7: when a party was severely charred that all the internal
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  Speaker 7: organs would be charged as well, but.
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  Speaker 4: They're actually it's actually not the case. And so when you.
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  Speaker 7: Open the body during the autopsy, there should be blood
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  Speaker 7: left in the heart as long as it's intact, and
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  Speaker 7: you should be able to get blood from there.
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  Speaker 4: And then the other thing is you can always get
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  Speaker 4: bone marrow too.
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  Speaker 1: On a case like this, when you see bone marrow,
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  Speaker 1: doctor eric Ason, how does it appear? Is it like blood?
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  Speaker 1: Is it thicker? What does bone marrow look like? And
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  Speaker 1: how do you extract DNA from that?
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  Speaker 7: It's bone plus immature blood cells essentially, so we're calling
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  Speaker 7: spicules bone marrow spicules. And so you can just take
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  Speaker 7: a piece of like the spine that's just going to
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  Speaker 7: have a lot of marrow in it, and you're going
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  Speaker 7: to have blood cells in there that's going to have
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  Speaker 7: DNA which you can extract.
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  Speaker 1: Is that the best place for the body to get
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  Speaker 1: bone marrow of the spine?
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  Speaker 4: That's been my experience. Yes, easy to get to.
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  Speaker 1: I'm wondering because the sheriff is speaking right at the
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  Speaker 1: outset when the body's found, and if the body's charted,
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  Speaker 1: he may have assumed they couldn't get DNA. And of
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  Speaker 1: course dental records like ballistics, like fingerprints are unique to
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  Speaker 1: one individual, explained doctor Asan Yes.
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  Speaker 7: Also y fingerprints definitely, even identical twins are going to
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  Speaker 7: have different sets of fingerprints. Each person's gonna have their
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  Speaker 7: own set of fingerprints they developed when you are before
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  Speaker 7: you even born. DNA is the same thing, you know,
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  Speaker 7: identical twins are going to have the same DNA, but
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  Speaker 7: otherwise it will be unique for each individual. And then
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  Speaker 7: dental is going to be very different for each person.
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  Speaker 7: We all have cavities and different teeth, and so when
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  Speaker 7: the fillings are placed, that's going to be a unique
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  Speaker 7: finding in each person.
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  Speaker 1: Don't even start with me on identical twins. I had
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  Speaker 1: a carjack murder triple aggravators salted pod shop. The big
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  Speaker 1: tall part who was about six y four was fourteen.
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  Speaker 1: Wait no, he was thirteen at the time of the incident,
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  Speaker 1: and the two co defendants identical twins. Can I tell
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  Speaker 1: you how much they try to blame each other. Lucky
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  Speaker 1: for me, it didn't even DNA didn't even matter. But
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  Speaker 1: that was my nightmare that they would have the same DNA.
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  Speaker 1: Luckily one was off in a local jail at the time,
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  Speaker 1: so I didn't have to worry about that.
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  Speaker 2: But yeah, good.
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  Speaker 1: But that said, let me go to Brian Foley, joining
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  Speaker 1: US veteran trial lawyer, criminal defense attorney, now former chief
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  Speaker 1: prosecutor in Houston, Brian dental records, dental schmeckords, doesn't matter.
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  Speaker 1: You can show a jury my mouth, my teeth, and
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  Speaker 1: you can show, oh, there was a cavity here, there's
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  Speaker 1: a crown here. You can see a chip here. It
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  Speaker 1: can be identical. You can see it's absolutely the same teeth.
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  Speaker 1: They don't care. They want DNA, Brian Foley, They've watched
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  Speaker 1: too much TV. They're smarter than all of us put together.
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  Speaker 1: You better give them DNA on a silver platter, Folly. Yeah.
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  Speaker 9: You know, ever since I've really been practicing law, juries
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  Speaker 9: have been more and more demanding because of what they
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  Speaker 9: see on television in shows. I used to make a
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  Speaker 9: joke when we were picking a jury that they expected
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  Speaker 9: me to extract the blood of the defendant by catching
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  Speaker 9: a mosquito that was nearby, and you know, bringing them
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  Speaker 9: in for a DNA analysis, because that's what they see
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  Speaker 9: on TV. When you're a prosecutor trying to prosecute a case,
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  Speaker 9: your burden is beyond a reasonable doubt and not beyond
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  Speaker 9: all doubt. But I think you know, when a prosecutor
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  Speaker 9: looks at this case, they're going to look at how
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  Speaker 9: aggressive and serious and scary. This behavior is and if
• 19:42
  Speaker 9: a jury at all pictures themselves as being a potential
• 19:46
  Speaker 9: victim in something like this, which that's what it looks like.
• 19:49
  Speaker 9: It's something that could happen to just about anybody. It's
• 19:52
  Speaker 9: going to make it easier to put the pieces together.
• 19:56
  Speaker 9: If they have dental records or if they have that
• 19:58
  Speaker 9: bone marrow, you know that they can get that would
• 20:01
  Speaker 9: be key. Definitely something you'd want to get as a prosecutor.
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. You know, doctor Eric Aeson
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: joining us a board certified forensic pathologist, and doctor Jeff
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: Kalashevsky forensic psychologist. Doctor Jeff, did you see all the
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: cars just driving by?
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: Are they blind? Are they just living going through life
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: with blinders on?
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: They don't notice there's a guy out on the crosswalk
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: dressed in black with a mask.
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: On and a machine gun.
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, thank Heaven, the one guy behind I
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: guess taking this video did see it and report it.
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: But if it hadn't been for that one guy, we
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: wouldn't know the connection to the Accura. We would know nothing.
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: What I get All the people just going by don't
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: do They're like, what's happening. How can they not notice?
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: Doctor Kalshewski Right.
• 21:09
  Speaker 10: In the history of social psychology, they used to do
• 21:12
  Speaker 10: a lot of experiments where they would the experimenters would
• 21:16
  Speaker 10: create crimes that occurred in public to see if people
• 21:20
  Speaker 10: would respond. And what they found was most of the
• 21:24
  Speaker 10: time people did not respond because they sort of did
• 21:27
  Speaker 10: not feel as much responsibility because there were other people around,
• 21:32
  Speaker 10: but everyone else was sort of feeling the same thing. However,
• 21:35
  Speaker 10: occasionally someone will step up and we'll try to intervene
• 21:41
  Speaker 10: or in this case take a video. But there was
• 21:44
  Speaker 10: a lot of older social psychology experiments where they put
• 21:49
  Speaker 10: forth scenarios like this in public and were fascinated that
• 21:53
  Speaker 10: people didn't feel that responsibility to come to the aid
• 21:56
  Speaker 10: of someone because there were other people around and they
• 21:58
  Speaker 10: were all thinking the same thing.
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: The terrifying moment a beloved wife and mom is carjacked
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: at a busy intersection broad day light outside of Orlando tonight,
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: we're chasing the clues manhunt after this Florida mom kidnapped
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: at the busy intersection. Right now, the only clue police
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: have to hold on to is that green Accura.
• 22:23
  Speaker 12: Listen, the search for the green Accura ends after investigators
• 22:27
  Speaker 12: find the vehicle at an Orange County apartment complex turns out.
• 22:30
  Speaker 12: On March nineteenth, the same Greenacura was reportedly towed by
• 22:34
  Speaker 12: truck driver Juan Garcia from an apartment complex. Three weeks later.
• 22:38
  Speaker 12: The same green car, according to police, was at the
• 22:40
  Speaker 12: scene when One Garcia was murdered on April tenth. The
• 22:44
  Speaker 12: next day, April eleventh, the green Accura is seen ramming
• 22:47
  Speaker 12: a Dodge Durango driven by Katherine Auguas Vivas before an
• 22:50
  Speaker 12: unidentified man gets out of the Accura and carjackson kidnaps
• 22:54
  Speaker 12: Augus Vivas at gunpoint. Rounds of ammunition found that the
• 22:57
  Speaker 12: scene of One Garcia's murder match some rounds found where
• 23:01
  Speaker 12: august Vivs was killed.
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: But there's something very unique about this particular green Accura.
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: Take a listen to Sheriff Dennis Lemma.
• 23:14
  Speaker 6: What's unique about the two thousand and two Green Accurate
• 23:16
  Speaker 6: in the state of Florida.
• 23:17
  Speaker 4: They were only three in the state of Florida, two.
• 23:20
  Speaker 6: Had been salvaged, and only one existed in the state
• 23:25
  Speaker 6: when we look at records. The first time authorities came
• 23:29
  Speaker 6: in contact with this was when it was towed on
• 23:32
  Speaker 6: March nineteenth from an Orlando apartment complex.
• 23:37
  Speaker 11: The car was backed in Parky legally probably had no
• 23:41
  Speaker 11: tag on at the time.
• 23:43
  Speaker 12: Investigators tracked the car from a family that traded it
• 23:46
  Speaker 12: in last December to being sold at auction. The new
• 23:49
  Speaker 12: owner of the car never finished the paperwork, so the
• 23:51
  Speaker 12: car isn't registered. Police tracked the phone number used in
• 23:54
  Speaker 12: the purchase to the buyer on Facebook. His online name
• 23:58
  Speaker 12: Jordan Litroy, real name Jeordanish Torres Garcia, the man who
• 24:03
  Speaker 12: bought the two thousand and two green Acura. The clothes
• 24:06
  Speaker 12: Garcia is wearing in his Facebook profile photo are identical
• 24:10
  Speaker 12: to the clothes worn by the person who stuck a
• 24:13
  Speaker 12: gun up to Catherine Auguis Vivas and hopped in her backseat.
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: Okay, now we're getting somewhere, But did you hear that tortuous,
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: circuitous line of investigation the police went through to track
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: down the Green Acura, joining me senior investigator reporter golflive
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: dot com Jennifer Torres.
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: Okay, so they see the green.
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: Acura on the video, the good Samaritan takes Okay. Then
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: they find out there are only three such Green Accuras
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: in the state of Florida, and you know it's really amazing.
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: Hold on just a second, let me ask Brian Foley
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: about this, Polly, isn't it true? Like we always hear
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: about the homicide detectives, like in Atlanta, they all wear
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: a hat.
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: You can spot them in a suit. You can see
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: them coming a mile away.
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: There are also full a full fleet of car theft detectives.
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: Don't pooh poo it because car thefts, car jackings, theft
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: by receiving, theft by taking are often connected to other
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: types of more violent crimes, such as drug drug trafficking, murders, robberies, rapes,
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: a assaults. So these guys and women are specially trained.
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: Like they can look at a car and based on
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: the tail lights, they can tell you the make model
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: a year, because every year or so your car, let's
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: just pretend it's a Toyota Sienna minivan. Let's just pretend
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: it's a green Accura. Every year or so they will
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: make sotal changes to the tail lights or the placement
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: of the tag.
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: A lot of.
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: Vehicles now have the test, specially land rovers or utility
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: vehicles have now moved the tag slot over to the left.
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: It's not in the center anymore. I mean, there's just
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: subtle changes. And that's what we needed right here with
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: this Green Accurate.
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: We needed that.
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: Fleet of car theft detectives to tell me what's the
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: model and how many are there in Florida, help me
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: find the car right wrong fully? Absolutely so.
• 26:30
  Speaker 9: Some of the most difficult investigations you can do as
• 26:34
  Speaker 9: a prosecutor or a police officer are for these car
• 26:36
  Speaker 9: related crimes. There's a lot of rules related to how
• 26:39
  Speaker 9: you're supposed to sell a car, how you're supposed to
• 26:42
  Speaker 9: transfer title. Mainly, what these investigators do is they work
• 26:46
  Speaker 9: with chop shops and things like that. But it's an
• 26:48
  Speaker 9: excellent training ground. When you have a case like this,
• 26:51
  Speaker 9: when you have to track down a car really quickly,
• 26:54
  Speaker 9: it's not the homicide detectives necessarily you're going to be
• 26:57
  Speaker 9: able to get the most headway there. It's going to
• 26:59
  Speaker 9: be these Auto Task Force guys is what we would
• 27:01
  Speaker 9: call them. And you know, sometimes they're a little bummed
• 27:04
  Speaker 9: out when they get sent onto that force because everybody
• 27:07
  Speaker 9: wants to be the homicide detective. But the skills they
• 27:09
  Speaker 9: learned there and the expertise they have with identifying vehicles
• 27:12
  Speaker 9: obviously came in very handy in this case.
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: Jennifer Torres, a senior investigative reporter golf Live dot com,
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: this is what I understand. That the car had been
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: towed from an apartment complex. It was at an apartment
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: complex without a tag visible.
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: The tag had been covered up, so it's been.
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: Sitting there for a while this apartment complex with the
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: tag covered up. So one Garcia towes it and then
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: he ends up dead with about one hundred ten millimeter
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: bullets around him in casings. So that's how cops get
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: it to start with, because they find out the car
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: has been towed. When they backtrack, they find out the
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: carr have been sold by a family that traded it
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: the December prior. It ended up sold through Facebook Marketplace
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: at auction. The people that bought it never finished the paperwork,
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: so it wasn't registered. So they go all the way
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: back to the guy that sold it on Facebook marketplace.
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: His name is fake.
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: It was Jordan LaTroy. His real name Jeordanish Toddes Garcia.
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: Okay, did I get that right?
• 28:36
  Speaker 5: Sounds right?
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: Yes, you're going to have to have a flow chart
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: for this.
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: But it all goes back to the crime scene where
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: Garcia towed the car.
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: Is that right?
• 28:47
  Speaker 5: Yes, that's correct. Right, he towed the car and that
• 28:52
  Speaker 5: is the car that was used in the commission of
• 28:55
  Speaker 5: the crime that we see happening in Winter Springs.
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, A young mom, a beloved
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: wife carjack in broad daylight in the Orlando area.
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: What more do we know?
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: Jennifer Torres, investigative reporter, golf Live dot Com. I find
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: it very odd and worrisome. Didn't the mom, Catherine call
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: her husband when a guy comes up?
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: In rare answer?
• 29:33
  Speaker 5: Yes, in fact, she did reach out to her husband,
• 29:35
  Speaker 5: let him know what happened, and his advice was to
• 29:38
  Speaker 5: keep driving, keep driving, and that comes from him, he said,
• 29:41
  Speaker 5: that's what he told her to do. After that, her
• 29:45
  Speaker 5: phone was disconnected, so there were no further calls after
• 29:50
  Speaker 5: that point, and neither one called nine one one.
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: Okay, hold on, what do you mean by that her
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: phone was disconnected?
• 29:55
  Speaker 5: Well, she turned it off?
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: Okay, I don't like.
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: That at all. Did she turn it off or did
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: the guy h I so carjack her turn it off?
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: That doesn't make sense to me, Doctor Kelschewski, Well, it.
• 30:06
  Speaker 10: Could have been a situation where the perpetrator told her
• 30:09
  Speaker 10: to turn off her phone so she couldn't be tracked.
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: I also find it very odd, very peculiar that nobody
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: called nine one one. I can understand her calling her
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: husband first, but he didn't call nine one one. She
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: didn't call nine one one.
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: The only one that.
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: Called nine one one is the Good Samaritan, and that's
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: where we got that video. So I'm curious about that.
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: But I also want to take a look at.
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: Her brother, who was so distraught about his sister's murder
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: he launches his own investigation. Listen to our friends at
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: crime Online.
• 30:46
  Speaker 12: Lewis Abrahu began his own investigation into his sister's abduction
• 30:49
  Speaker 12: and murder. He accessed information on shared computer to track
• 30:52
  Speaker 12: down the last person Catherine Augus Vivas was talking to
• 30:55
  Speaker 12: the day she was kidnapped. A bray who found his sister,
• 30:58
  Speaker 12: was using FaceTime while driving through her life. Bray You
• 31:01
  Speaker 12: calls the number via FaceTime and Giovanni Hernandez answers and
• 31:05
  Speaker 12: tells of Raye that he was talking to Augus Vivas
• 31:07
  Speaker 12: that day. A braid You takes a screenshot of Hernandez
• 31:10
  Speaker 12: and sends it to investigators.
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: Okay, I'm curious, Jennifer Torres golf live dot com. So
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: the brother is launching his own investigation. So far, I've
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: got two names. I've got the name of the guy,
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: the fake name of the guy that sold the accurate
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: I've got that. And I've got this name, a guy
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: that was speaking to the victim, the young mom, just
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: before she's carjacked. So how did Catherine's brother get hooked
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: up with someone in LA law enforcement?
• 31:45
  Speaker 5: That's a good question. I know that, as you say,
• 31:47
  Speaker 5: he was conducting his own experience in his own investigation.
• 31:51
  Speaker 5: He tapped into social media accounts. They shared an iCloud account,
• 31:55
  Speaker 5: so he was able to access the last calles that
• 31:57
  Speaker 5: she made. And you police said he was doing that
• 32:01
  Speaker 5: on his own. He was trying to find out on
• 32:05
  Speaker 5: his own, who was the last person she spoke to,
• 32:07
  Speaker 5: what calls were made, etc.
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: Now is my understanding, and this is according to Sheriff
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: Dennis Lemma.
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: There in someone Old County.
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: That the brother and the deputy and law enforcement were
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: longtime childhood friends and that is why he reached out
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: to the Orange County deputy.
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: Do you know about that?
• 32:29
  Speaker 5: There's been I've heard a lot of speculation about that.
• 32:32
  Speaker 5: We know that the deputy was arrested. He has spoken
• 32:36
  Speaker 5: of being a cousin to the family, but that hasn't
• 32:39
  Speaker 5: been confirmed that I'm aware of. So his connection to
• 32:43
  Speaker 5: the family, why he was reaching out to them, It's
• 32:48
  Speaker 5: speculative right now as far as I'm aware.
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: Well, question why is the deputy arrested?
• 32:54
  Speaker 5: So apparently he was reaching out to the husband of
• 32:57
  Speaker 5: the victim in this case. Who is hey the Orange
• 33:00
  Speaker 5: He's an Orange County deputy. His name is Deputy Francisco Estrella,
• 33:05
  Speaker 5: and he was arrested on April fourteenth by Seminole County authorities,
• 33:10
  Speaker 5: facing five felony charges related to wiretapping and using police databases.
• 33:17
  Speaker 5: According to the lead investigator for Seminole County, he contacted
• 33:22
  Speaker 5: him using a fake name, claiming he was an Orange
• 33:24
  Speaker 5: County detective and a cousin of the victim, so that
• 33:28
  Speaker 5: he could relay this information to the victim's husband. Why
• 33:31
  Speaker 5: he was doing that, I don't know, but it's against
• 33:35
  Speaker 5: the law.
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: Okay, So this is what I'm gleaming from what you're saying.
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: The victims and brother contacts a childhood friend within the department.
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: That friend within the department Deputy Estrella then contacts the
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: husband to relay the information to him. Okay, this information
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: regards the guy speaking to the wife slash mob just
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: before she's carjacked. The deputy used a fake name so
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: as not to reveal he was giving away investigative facts.
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: Do I have that right, Jennifer Torres?
• 34:12
  Speaker 5: That sounds correct. It's you know, still being investigated, so
• 34:16
  Speaker 5: there's very little information about it available. But that's what
• 34:19
  Speaker 5: I have so far.
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: Straight out to investigator reporter, Jennifer Torres, Jennifer, the one guy, uh,
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: Jordanish Garcia has been arrested.
• 34:29
  Speaker 5: Correct, Yes, he has been arrested on unrelated charges. He's
• 34:33
  Speaker 5: a person of interest in this case and they're currently
• 34:36
  Speaker 5: questioning him or they have been questioning him since the
• 34:39
  Speaker 5: rest on Friday.
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: This is what I know. Jordanish Garcia was identified after
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: his cell phone matches up to the cell phone of
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: a person who purchased the green Accura that was seen
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: ramming Catherine. So we've got Jordanish Garcia's cell phone calling
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: the person that sold the Accura. That's how we've got
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: him connected to the Accura.
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: But that's not all.
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: During a deputy's conference, we see his Jordanish Garcia's Facebook
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: profile picture placed side by side with a screenshot of
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: the video showing the armed car shack hold it, and
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: he is wearing the same identical clothing. Look at this idiot,
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: if I'm so bold to call him that, Jordanish Garcia,
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: the carjack killer. According to police, there he is in
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: his Facebook profile picture. He's wearing the same outfit, the
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: same hoodie with the golden blazon on the front, the
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: same hat, the same face covering, the same mask covering.
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: And he's got it as his face book profile. Okay,
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: that wasn't hard. Now we have breaking news that has happened.
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: As we went to air to Jennifer Torrez, I understand
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: that literally in the last minutes, the other suspect, Joel Hernandez,
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: has turned himself in.
• 36:20
  Speaker 5: Yes, that's correct. Apparently last night he turned himself in.
• 36:25
  Speaker 5: He has an active warrant for fentanyl trafficking and marijuana
• 36:29
  Speaker 5: with intent to sell. So as of right now, he
• 36:33
  Speaker 5: is scheduled to make his first appearance today at two pm.
• 36:38
  Speaker 5: So they didn't really send any other information other than
• 36:41
  Speaker 5: his booking photo.
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: This is what we know Simonole County.
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: Giovanni Joel Hernandez turns himself in at the John E.
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: Polk CI Correctional Institute on a warrant for fentanyl trafficking
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: and marijuana. Okay, this guy is the second perp. How
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: do we know cell Phone records I believe are going
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: to connect him back. Are there fingerprints at the scene
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: of the Dodge Durango fire? I can guarantee you this
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: out to you, Brian Foley. Somebody's going to turn on
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: the other. But I don't know that police even need it.
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: After that side by side matchup, I had a drug
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: trafficker show up in court in the same red leather outfit,
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: jacket and pants he was wearing the night of the crime.
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: It was described by witnesses any warrant to court.
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: I mean, that's like she and a fish in a barrel.
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: Foley, I've seen that too.
• 37:42
  Speaker 9: There's a there's some video footage of people showing up
• 37:46
  Speaker 9: to court in the same outfit that is used in
• 37:49
  Speaker 9: the crime. Clothing items are used all the time by
• 37:53
  Speaker 9: police and detectives in this kind of identification process.
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: Er Brandt former US Marshall who hunts down felons all
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: around the world. This actually happens a lot. They're wearing
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: the same clothes right down to a tee.
• 38:08
  Speaker 8: That's correct, Nancy. In Las Vegas, we investigated a lot
• 38:13
  Speaker 8: of a series of armed robberies in the casinos, and
• 38:18
  Speaker 8: how we put them together was the armed robbery used
• 38:21
  Speaker 8: the exact same clothes in all of the robberies. Then
• 38:26
  Speaker 8: when we identified the vehicle and we got them the
• 38:30
  Speaker 8: exact same clothes we're in the trunk of the vehicle.
• 38:33
  Speaker 8: It's like they don't think at all when it comes
• 38:37
  Speaker 8: to their clothing.
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: You know, Doctor Eric Eason joining us for now pathologist
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: doctor Ethon. Even though we believe her body was charred,
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: can a rape kit still be performed?
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: I'm curious if one or.
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: Both of the alleged purpse raped or tortured this young mom.
• 38:57
  Speaker 4: You can still try it and collect the smons.
• 39:00
  Speaker 7: I just don't know if you want to get anything
• 39:02
  Speaker 7: from it, but you can still at least try, you know,
• 39:04
  Speaker 7: fingernail clippings. You know, then the fingertips are to be
• 39:07
  Speaker 7: going to be destroyed. You know, you can still do
• 39:11
  Speaker 7: the swabs.
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: And try from the vagina, the inside of the mouth,
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: and the rectum. Well, we'll find out if this progresses
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: any further, that's going to take a very, very skilled
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: medical examiner to make that type of an assessment with
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: a charred body. The good news two defendants now in custody,
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: one just happening in the carjack and murder of this
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: young mom. But in the end, I felt this many
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: times in court. We may get justice, but everybody's going
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: to leave that courtroom with a broken heart. A six
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: year old little girl still is calling out for mommy.
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: We stop and remember American hero police officer Joseph McKinney,
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: just twenty six years old, shot in the line of duty,
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: leaves behind his young wife and family. American hero police
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: Officer Joseph McKinney from Memphis, Tennessee. I want to thank
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  Speaker 1: all of our guests for being with us tonight, but
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  Speaker 1: especially to you for being with us tonight and every night.
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  Speaker 1: Nancy Grace signing off, good night, San