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The Sorority Goat Situation · Yo Gavel Gavel! - Court TV Commentary

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  Speaker 2: leave one to please let us know. So we had
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  Speaker 2: to get to two hundred by next by what next
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  Speaker 2: year is like seven, twenty twenty. No, this wasn't twenty
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  Speaker 2: twenty seven. I think it was this time next year.
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  Speaker 2: I think it was like summer of next year. I
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  Speaker 2: don't just leave a review and just let us know
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  Speaker 2: that you read them. I got boss Ross, hit me,
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  Speaker 2: hit me. That's exactly right. Kara Smile is suing Jesse
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  Speaker 2: Barbary for two hundred and twenty five dollars for the
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  Speaker 2: Infant Lord and Savior Jesus.
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  Speaker 1: Christ, Sir, enough, that's an expensive baby, Jesus.
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  Speaker 3: It is what do you think going into this, do
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  Speaker 3: you think she understands or overstands.
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  Speaker 1: I think she probably overstands, because that's what you think
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  Speaker 1: he understanding of justices.
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  Speaker 2: Understanding overstand She doesn't. But that's okay.
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  Speaker 1: Was it foreign? It probably is a foreign concept to her.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I mean, I don't think biblical justice or the
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  Speaker 2: way she understands it this foreign, but I think that
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  Speaker 2: justice in the court room might be okay. So Kara's like, listen,
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  Speaker 2: my Nativity scene was destroyed, boy, and mister Barbary's goats
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  Speaker 2: are responsible. Mister Barbariae, old man overalls, he's seen something already.
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  Speaker 2: Kara is young, blonde hair, needs to speak to a manager,
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  Speaker 2: and she's like, they got out once before, and they
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  Speaker 2: got one of the halos on my angels from a
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  Speaker 2: different year, and that's how hey, you know, hey, you
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  Speaker 2: know that's how I kneat the halos. Hello, good good uh.
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  Speaker 2: Jesse Barberie is like, I have eight goats in my herd.
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  Speaker 2: I've had him for about five years. And Ross is like,
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  Speaker 2: so the goats have gotten out before and cause damage.
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  Speaker 2: He said one time three years ago. Ross's they get
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  Speaker 2: out at Christmas time, though apparently it's the Times.
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  Speaker 1: Does he have any other animals and just goats goat farm?
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  Speaker 1: He has a dog that herds the goats. Good boy.
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  Speaker 2: Uh he Ross says, so I have a statement here
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  Speaker 2: that says my goats don't escape. And mister Barbara says,
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  Speaker 2: well they did three years ago. There was a hole
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  Speaker 2: in the fence. I've replace fixed the fence. They have
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  Speaker 2: bells on there's a dog. They don't leave. Literally when
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  Speaker 2: they left that, I heard the bells.
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  Speaker 1: Went over there.
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  Speaker 2: I heard the Christmas that's right on Christmas Day in
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  Speaker 2: the morning, they go over. They go over there. I
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  Speaker 2: heard the bells. I immediately got up, went over. They
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  Speaker 2: had got into one halo. It was no damage at all.
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  Speaker 2: I got him back hen though, and then that's it.
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  Speaker 2: Kara's like, well, three, here's what you need to know,
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  Speaker 2: Judge Dross. I put up an antivity scene every year
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  Speaker 2: during the holidays, and I think it's important. Sure, and
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  Speaker 2: the neighbors all visit. It's a tradition. I have spotlights
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  Speaker 2: in the yard. I have a star in the second
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  Speaker 2: story window. We see a picture of this, and we
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  Speaker 2: don't we see a picture of the baby Jesus.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, I was just wondering, like why the neighbors come
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  Speaker 3: and visit.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's a big deal to her. Okay,
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  Speaker 2: this says, of course. The most important part baby Jesus.
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  Speaker 2: And the reason that this baby Jesus is so important
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  Speaker 2: is not because he died for her sends, but because
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  Speaker 2: he looks like a real baby, which is so important
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  Speaker 2: to me. That is what she says. He looks like
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  Speaker 2: a real baby as opposed to fake base.
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  Speaker 3: So is it like one of those like super realistic
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  Speaker 3: baby dolls.
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  Speaker 2: It's a yeah, it looks more life size, and like, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: it looks like.
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  Speaker 3: You know, there's some people that you know take care of, Yes,
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  Speaker 3: super realistic, you know what I'm talking about.
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  Speaker 1: And so is that what we're yeah, yeah, because those
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  Speaker 1: can be.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: The only thing she has in the courtroom is the foot.
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  Speaker 2: She's holding a foot she's learned Jesus's foot, says.
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  Speaker 1: Well, not anymore. And when you saw that foot, it
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  Speaker 1: was me that Jesus Right now, do you think about it?
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  Speaker 2: No, I just just now, and I want that on
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  Speaker 2: the record. Didn't come up with earlier leave her reviews,
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  Speaker 2: tell us you read them, so, uh, I will say.
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  Speaker 2: The one thing I'll say is the baby Jesus actually
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  Speaker 2: is is the skin color is brown. It's not white Jesus,
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  Speaker 2: which is a big deal because if I if listening
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  Speaker 2: to this woman.
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  Speaker 1: Talk, I would assume she had white Jesus. That would
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  Speaker 1: have shown assumption, and that's why we don't make a song. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: so that's right.
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  Speaker 3: Uh, she maybe has never even asked for a manager.
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  Speaker 3: Maybe she actually is a really great tipper. I know
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  Speaker 3: she's just saying she's going to talk about how you
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  Speaker 3: haven't learned your lesson.
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  Speaker 2: We're going to see you. Can you tell me at
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  Speaker 2: the end? Okay, okay. Jesus walks and then hobbles at
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  Speaker 2: this point.
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  Speaker 1: But Jesus, So we see.
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  Speaker 2: A picture of uh, mister Barbary's property, and she turns
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  Speaker 2: this in. This evidence would lead you to believe that
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  Speaker 2: he is right, not her. I don't know why she
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  Speaker 2: turns it in. None of us do raw season. And
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  Speaker 2: the property is like not anywhere near a house. It's
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  Speaker 2: fenced in. It looks like it's its own thing. He's like,
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  Speaker 2: why are you turning this in? And she's like, look
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  Speaker 2: at the highlighted part in the corner. Well, right on
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  Speaker 2: the outside of the fence is Jesus's foot. It's just there, right.
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  Speaker 2: She has a picture of the foot outside of his property,
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  Speaker 2: right by the goat. She's like, yes, fence, and we
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  Speaker 2: didn't find the rest of it. All we all have
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  Speaker 2: is a foot.
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  Speaker 1: Never get out.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, that's interesting. That's interesting that I never said that.
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  Speaker 3: So can I tell you what this seems like? Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: it seems like somebody was maybe maybe they broke Jesus.
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  Speaker 3: They see the goats.
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  Speaker 1: Quite a mystery because neither party is going to give here.
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  Speaker 1: This is a movie.
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  Speaker 2: It isn't, but it should be. The Jesus Coats Angel Studios.
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  Speaker 2: So Jesse Barbary brings pictures showing his house and then
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  Speaker 2: showing that there's an agricultural area in this neighborhood. So
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  Speaker 2: there's residential houses and there's agricultural areas. There are three
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  Speaker 2: goat farmers in the neighborhood. Oh my gosh, three goat
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  Speaker 2: farmers in the neighborhood. Ross is like, where's the next
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  Speaker 2: nearest one. He points to him that one is seven
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  Speaker 2: houses down. Ross's house is technically across the street.
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  Speaker 1: Not Ross's. Ross doesn't know. Ross doesn't live there. He wouldn't.
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  Speaker 2: He overstands the Jesse Barbary's houses across the street. Jesse's
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  Speaker 2: like he and so then Ross says, this is where
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  Speaker 2: this is the first thing Ross has ever said that.
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  Speaker 2: I'm like, is Ross on drugs. I don't understand what happened.
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  Speaker 2: Okay here Ross not this, but his response, I just
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  Speaker 2: want to paint the picture. Ross says, you're saying the
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  Speaker 2: goats from way down there escaped, walked all the way
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  Speaker 2: down to her house, chewed off Jesus's foot, dropped it
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  Speaker 2: by the fence of your property, headed back home. That's
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  Speaker 2: what you're saying. And Jesse Barber goes your honor. It's possible.
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  Speaker 2: I just know my goats didn't get out. And then
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  Speaker 2: Ross says, well, it's possible that the moon is made
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  Speaker 2: of cheese, but it's not. Boy, So Ross says, it's
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  Speaker 2: possible that the moon is made of cheese, but it's not.
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  Speaker 3: I think what's happened here is he recalled an old
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  Speaker 3: nursery rhyme, yes, and somehow decided.
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  Speaker 1: To work that in here. It's but I want to
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  Speaker 1: be very clear.
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  Speaker 2: If you think that we've never been to the moon,
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  Speaker 2: sure you still would not think it's possible it's made
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  Speaker 2: of Swiss cheese.
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  Speaker 1: You can say everybody you know.
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  Speaker 2: But Ross using this as an example, it's a bad example.
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  Speaker 2: And literally it could he maybe maybe one tops, but
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  Speaker 2: he should say it's probably it's possible that the moon
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  Speaker 2: is to cheese, but it's we almost know for certain
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  Speaker 2: it's not, is what he should say. He says, it's
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  Speaker 2: possible to me has made of cheese, but it's not.
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  Speaker 2: So it is not impossible. So it's not impossible.
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  Speaker 1: What do you do?
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  Speaker 3: I will say, though, it is possible that goats had
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  Speaker 3: nothing to do with this, correct, Yeah, yes, I think
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  Speaker 3: it is more likely that goats had nothing to do
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  Speaker 3: with it than the goat from seven houses down came
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  Speaker 3: down and was framing.
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  Speaker 1: The other coast. So here we go.
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  Speaker 2: Kara says, I didn't want to accuse Jesse. Immediately I
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  Speaker 2: knew Jesus was gone. And you know what, so often
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  Speaker 2: in Christmas we're missing Jesus. Amen, you still feel good
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  Speaker 2: about it. I still feel good about it. So often
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  Speaker 2: in Christmas we're missing Jesus, amen, And here we're literally
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  Speaker 2: missing Jesus. And I just thought i'd turn the other
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  Speaker 2: cheek and I put up a little sign that said
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  Speaker 2: please return baby, Jesus outside of the Nativity, you.
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  Speaker 1: Have three days.
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  Speaker 2: And then I also I also put come on, I
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  Speaker 2: also it was good, please return baby Jesus. Then I
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  Speaker 2: also put it you're ready for this? Where else do
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  Speaker 2: you think she put u an advertisement?
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  Speaker 1: Oh man? Where Nope? In our church bulletin. Ah, I
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  Speaker 1: love that.
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  Speaker 3: In our church bulletin, I post about a lot of
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  Speaker 3: people don't do the bulletins anymore, but you can get
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  Speaker 3: some free stuff.
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  Speaker 1: Free stuff, you know where to go. Uh.
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  Speaker 2: And then lastly she goes and I even like, I
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  Speaker 2: didn't want to say it, but there appeared to be
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  Speaker 2: goat droppings in the manger. So I went to talk
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  Speaker 2: to Jesse across the street, and that's when I saw
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  Speaker 2: Jesus's foot by his proper. Now this would imply, and
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  Speaker 2: we may need to bleep this, but the goats went
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  Speaker 2: up you want to took baby Jesus and Okayer.
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  Speaker 1: Right in the manger.
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  Speaker 2: This implies that these goats were vindictive, that not only
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  Speaker 2: did they take baby Jesus, but they had a vendetta
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  Speaker 2: out for baby Jesus and left droppings in the main.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know if it necessarily implies that. It implies
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  Speaker 3: at the very least that the goats felt comfortable.
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  Speaker 1: And this is a this is home. Yeah, this is home.
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  Speaker 1: I'll do some out here, you know what I mean.
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  Speaker 2: So then Jesse's like, well, she did come to talk
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  Speaker 2: to me about my goats, and I explained to her, look,
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  Speaker 2: last night, my goats didn't get out. They didn't get out.
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  Speaker 2: Didn't happen. And then Kara's like, so I put a
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  Speaker 2: sign up, nobody came forward. And then, considering his goats
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  Speaker 2: had gotten out beforehand, it just seemed too likely. And
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  Speaker 2: the goat droppings, it seemed too likely that they were
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  Speaker 2: the suspect. The boot, the foot was right, Jesus foot
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  Speaker 2: was right inside the fence. I just there are too
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  Speaker 2: many things here. Yeah, you must have quit.
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  Speaker 1: And I just had.
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  Speaker 2: I had to sue him at that point, I had
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  Speaker 2: to see him. Jesse's like, listen, I got up that morning,
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  Speaker 2: My goats were in. The fence was closed, no holes
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  Speaker 2: in the fence. Hard to believe that my goats could
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  Speaker 2: take off their own bells. Chloroform the dog, Sadie, get
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  Speaker 2: through the fence, take baby Jesus, return back, drop a
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  Speaker 2: foot off at the gate, get in close it. Wake
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  Speaker 2: up the dog put the bells back on. Now.
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  Speaker 1: He's like, look, this is crazy.
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  Speaker 2: It's not me. And Ross is like, was saydie there
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  Speaker 2: three years ago? And he goes, yeah, she was. But
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  Speaker 2: remember there was a hole in the fence. I heard
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  Speaker 2: the bells. I immediately went out there and the damage
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  Speaker 2: was so little it was to some tensil on a
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  Speaker 2: halo of an angel. She didn't even ask me for compensation.
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  Speaker 2: I got him back in the yard really quick. I
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  Speaker 2: fixed the fence that day. Hasn't been broken since. Kara's like, listen,
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  Speaker 2: I turned the other cheek here. She's big on that phrase.
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  Speaker 2: I turned the other cheek here. But this is about justice,
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  Speaker 2: and not for me, but for all the families that
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  Speaker 2: come to see the Nativity every year. Judge Ross ready
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  Speaker 2: to rule.
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  Speaker 1: Oh boy, listen.
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  Speaker 3: At the end of the day, I think the most
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  Speaker 3: likely do we get a picture of the droppings and
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  Speaker 3: the manger?
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  Speaker 2: Nope?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think the most likely thing that happened is
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  Speaker 3: some kids were up to no good started making trouble
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  Speaker 3: in the neighborhood. They said it'd be funny to take Jesus.
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  Speaker 3: We should take Jesus. This is a very life like Jesus.
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  Speaker 3: We should take because I don't know if you know this,
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  Speaker 3: people still Christmas degressions. I'm still looking for that person
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  Speaker 3: that took my rooto off but clipped the clip the cord.
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  Speaker 2: I didn't do it because I would never clip the cord.
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  Speaker 2: But that's it's so wide that you don't care. You're
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  Speaker 2: not taking it to put it in your yard. You're
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  Speaker 2: taking it, you're cutting it, you're making it uses.
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  Speaker 1: Uh. Some people do that.
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  Speaker 3: And the world we're living in and we need Jesus,
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  Speaker 3: and maybe they needed Jesus and so they took it.
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  Speaker 3: I think the most likely thing is some kids were
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  Speaker 3: up to no good, took Jesus, make trouble in the neighborhood,
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  Speaker 3: saw the goats, and said, oh, we know what we
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  Speaker 3: can do. Now, let's cost some more trouble, took the
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  Speaker 3: foot off, laid it by the goat fences in the manger.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know about the droppings. I I just at
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  Speaker 3: the I I find him to be a credible, very incredible,
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  Speaker 3: and I if the door was closed, there's no way
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  Speaker 3: they could have gotten out.
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  Speaker 1: They could have gotten out. So I'm not giving her
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  Speaker 1: any money.
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  Speaker 3: I'm saying, you not provide enough proof that these goats
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  Speaker 3: did it, and so I'm sorry.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, not getting any money.
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  Speaker 2: Ross is gonna go a little Judge Geno on you.
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  Speaker 2: He's like, hey, listen, when it comes to small claims court,
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  Speaker 2: it's not about one hundred certainty. It's not about a
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  Speaker 2: reasonable doubt. That's criminal court. In civil cases or in
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  Speaker 2: small claims court there is. It's about a preponderance of evidence.
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  Speaker 2: If I feel like the evidence tilts the scale in
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  Speaker 2: your favor, no evidence, then I should rule in your
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  Speaker 2: favorite any evidence. The goats have gotten out before, there
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  Speaker 2: were goat droppings in the manger, there was a foot
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  Speaker 2: on your property. The gavel falls in favor of the plaintiffs.
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  Speaker 1: I couldn't. I was so mad.
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  Speaker 2: It's wrong, there's no pro So mad this goat farmer, Like,
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  Speaker 2: why would he lie about this?
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  Speaker 1: It's two hundred dollars, She says.
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  Speaker 3: There's goat droppings in the pictures. He says, they didn't
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  Speaker 3: get out, and there's.
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  Speaker 2: Their goat farms in the neighborhood. Awful, Ross overstood that one.
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  Speaker 1: Awful.
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  Speaker 2: I don't want a case of a fun case, a
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  Speaker 2: fun case till the ending.
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  Speaker 1: Ridiculous.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, we did, everybody, Congratulations. Read the reviews. Leave a review.
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  Speaker 1: You got to go, and we'll be back next time
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  Speaker 1: on another one and tell.
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  Speaker 2: That you've got to go. You've not done your case yet.
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  Speaker 2: You took fifteen minutes. You've got to go. All rise
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  Speaker 2: for Brandon's case for today. Yeah, I looked out us
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  Speaker 2: fifteen minutes. I said, we're done here, Judge Karen, all right,
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  Speaker 2: read those reviews. This is unhinged. We're doing the best.
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  Speaker 2: We tell what we have.
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  Speaker 1: There are all sunshine, rainbows. People. Sometimes we f it.
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  Speaker 3: Up, Judge Karen. Avan'm miller is suing Connie Range for
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  Speaker 3: twelve hundred.
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  Speaker 1: And seventy five dollars.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, Avan Connie met each other in college higher education.
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  Speaker 1: I've already ordered, so don't worry about it. Okay.
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  Speaker 3: Their dorms they were close by, and so they met
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  Speaker 3: each other. They became very close friends. They would consider
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  Speaker 3: each other best friends in fact. So it's a shame
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  Speaker 3: that we're here today. It is Ava had the idea
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  Speaker 3: to join a sorority. Solreaty. Ava's very passionate about this.
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  Speaker 3: Her mom was in a sorority and she wants to
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  Speaker 3: do that as well. Connie claims that Avo's so passionate
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  Speaker 3: about joining one of these sororities, and she convinced Connie
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  Speaker 3: to join with her. But Connie didn't quite share Ava's
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  Speaker 3: passion for sorority. In fact, Connie felt a bit of
• 16:35
  Speaker 3: a disconnect with the sorority. She didn't quite feel like
• 16:38
  Speaker 3: she belonged there, and she felt like it was it
• 16:41
  Speaker 3: was childish. Okay, so you might be wondering yourself, well,
• 16:45
  Speaker 3: how long could she have possibly stuck around?
• 16:47
  Speaker 1: She stuck around three years.
• 16:48
  Speaker 3: She was a part of the sorority for three ye yeah,
• 16:50
  Speaker 3: so childish, Ava says, it was not childish at all.
• 16:53
  Speaker 3: You find a sisterhood of women who love each other
• 16:56
  Speaker 3: in pants, support each other, share pants, and oftentimes after
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  Speaker 3: college it leads to business opportunities because help your sister out,
• 17:06
  Speaker 3: You help your sister out.
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  Speaker 1: So it's great, Ava says.
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  Speaker 3: We lived in the house together and then we would
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  Speaker 3: do an events like a like a nice thing for
• 17:15
  Speaker 3: the community. Once a month, I got like a bake sale.
• 17:19
  Speaker 3: You go somewhere for the community, for the community. So
• 17:22
  Speaker 3: three years in three years in Connie, after three years
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  Speaker 3: of just white knuckling, it tells Ava, okay that she
• 17:31
  Speaker 3: doesn't want to be here. Anymore, and Karen's like, well,
• 17:35
  Speaker 3: three years, why did you stick around so long? And
• 17:37
  Speaker 3: Connie is like, I knew after my first year that
• 17:39
  Speaker 3: it wasn't for me, but Ava was so passionate, I
• 17:42
  Speaker 3: felt obligated to stick around. And she's a controlling person,
• 17:47
  Speaker 3: and I didn't really feel like I had a choice.
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: Ava said she had.
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  Speaker 3: A great time, she created great memories, and Karen's like, well,
• 17:54
  Speaker 3: that's not what she's saying. She's saying that she didn't
• 17:56
  Speaker 3: have a great time, it didn't create good memories.
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: Connie tells Ave.
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  Speaker 3: At the beginning of the third year that she doesn't
• 18:02
  Speaker 3: want to do it anymore, but she sticks around for
• 18:04
  Speaker 3: that year, and Eva claims the reason why she gave
• 18:08
  Speaker 3: for not wanting to uh for this being her last
• 18:11
  Speaker 3: year was financial. She didn't have the money to pay
• 18:16
  Speaker 3: for the next year for year four. So Connie tells
• 18:20
  Speaker 3: Judge Karen that it was less financial in reality, and
• 18:24
  Speaker 3: more that she just didn't want to do.
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: Anything I want to do anymore. And Karen's like, why
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: don't you just tell her?
• 18:27
  Speaker 3: Just tell her. Connie is like, oh, she's my best friend.
• 18:30
  Speaker 3: I didn't want to hurt her. She cares so much
• 18:32
  Speaker 3: about the sorority. And I thought if I say it's
• 18:34
  Speaker 3: a money thing, she'd just be like, okay, I understand.
• 18:37
  Speaker 3: But instead she convinced me to stay and that she
• 18:41
  Speaker 3: would pay. This is a classic.
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: When people are non confrontational, this is the stuff they
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: get into, you know what I mean, Like, I get it,
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: you don't want to be confrontational with your buddy or
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: your friend, and hard conversations are called hard conversations for
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: a reason. But you get into this mess when you're like,
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna spare him the feelings and go I can't
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: afford it. Then they're gonna cough Upnnie. That could have
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: saved for something you didn't want.
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: That's right.
• 19:03
  Speaker 3: So she ends up staying, and Ava says she offers
• 19:09
  Speaker 3: to pay Connie, and Connie says, I can't promise you.
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: This is what she says.
• 19:16
  Speaker 3: She claims that she's told her I can't promise you
• 19:18
  Speaker 3: that I'll pay you back, but if you really want
• 19:20
  Speaker 3: me to stay, I'll stay.
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: Ava says, we have a promisory note. Oh no, oh, no,
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: we have that promisory note. Connie did promise.
• 19:33
  Speaker 3: It was written five days before the check was written.
• 19:38
  Speaker 3: Connie says, on that note, it doesn't put a deadline
• 19:40
  Speaker 3: for payback. So it is my understanding that if I
• 19:43
  Speaker 3: couldn't pay back, I didn't have to pay back.
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: And I was originally gonna pay her back.
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: There was a line basically, there's a line in there
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: that says what again, No.
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: No, no, there's just nothing about a deadline.
• 19:55
  Speaker 3: Okay, that's just that, And so it was her understanding
• 19:59
  Speaker 3: since there was no deadline, that that meant that she
• 20:01
  Speaker 3: didn't have to pay it if she couldn't pay it.
• 20:04
  Speaker 3: She says, I originally was planning on paying her back,
• 20:07
  Speaker 3: but she started bringing up all these issues, threatening that
• 20:10
  Speaker 3: interest if I don't start paying. She's always trying to
• 20:14
  Speaker 3: control me. She's always trying to control me.
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: Dano.
• 20:17
  Speaker 3: And it was too much, and I have paid some.
• 20:21
  Speaker 3: Avias says, she's given me twenty dollars. Connie says, I've
• 20:25
  Speaker 3: given her twenty dollars twice. Yeah, double that, and Karen
• 20:30
  Speaker 3: is ready to rule.
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: You gotta give her the money. It was a promisory note.
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: I know that there's no deadline on it, but a
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: promisory note usually is the trump card here, and I
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: think you've got to honor that. And even though you
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: didn't want to be in the sorority. You should have
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: had a tough conversation and saved yourself some.
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: Cash, Karen says Connie.
• 20:48
  Speaker 3: For somebody who claims that they are being controlled, you
• 20:51
  Speaker 3: do a pretty good job of not being controlled.
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: Look getting her money back. Look at it.
• 20:56
  Speaker 3: I don't buy it. I think you were just afraid
• 20:59
  Speaker 3: to tell your friend truth. You got to pay her
• 21:02
  Speaker 3: the full amount minus forty dollars forty bones, so twelve
• 21:05
  Speaker 3: hundred and thirty five dollars.
• 21:07
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