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Sharri | 4 November · Sharri

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Speaker 1: Why.
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Speaker 2: On Sky News Venus Heat Sharry.
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Speaker 3: Good Evening, Azoboss Mike Burgess tonight makes a major announcement
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Speaker 3: about the threats to our nation. He reveals the forces
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Speaker 3: behind the fraying of social cohesion. Don't miss this important announcement,
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Speaker 3: It's coming up live on the show. Also on the show,
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Speaker 3: Melbourne Cup controversy after the winning horse was filmed with
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Speaker 3: a bleeding.
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Speaker 4: Mouth at the end of the race. The details In.
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Speaker 3: A moment moderate liberals warn Susan Lee's moral authority is
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Speaker 3: on the line as she prepares to dump net zero.
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Speaker 3: The party's status is now so dire that Liberals are
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Speaker 3: publicly urging her to make a decision, and warnings tonight
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Speaker 3: that Australia is in danger of a power cost induced
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Speaker 3: recession as the RBA keeps rates on hold and the
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Speaker 3: BBC under fire for editing Donald Trump's speech to make
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Speaker 3: it look like he was in couraging an insurgency at
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Speaker 3: Capitol Hill.
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Speaker 2: I'll be there with you and we fight.
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Speaker 5: We fight like hell.
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Speaker 3: First tonight, the Liberal Party leadership team is moving closer
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Speaker 3: to dumping net zero, but leading moderates today publicly urged
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Speaker 3: Susan Lee to retain the commitment now. My sources tell
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Speaker 3: me her leadership is safe for now, but it won't
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Speaker 3: be early next year if the polls don't significantly improve.
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Speaker 3: The net zero debate will likely be resolved in the
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Speaker 3: next two weeks, not days, but two weeks, with senior
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Speaker 3: figures encouraging Susan Lee to drop net zero, but there
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Speaker 3: is pushback. Goldstein and p Tim Wilson warned that Lee's
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Speaker 3: moral authority is on the line where the Liberal Party.
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Speaker 1: We're not National's light. We will make our own decision
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Speaker 1: and Susan Lee demonstrate very clearly what leadership looks like.
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Speaker 1: In May of this year, the National Party walked away
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Speaker 1: from the coalition briefly and she stood her ground, and
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Speaker 1: of course, because she understood that once she lose moral authority,
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Speaker 1: it's very hard to get back.
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Speaker 3: And leading moderate Andrew Bragg also urged Susan Lee to
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Speaker 3: stick with net zero.
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Speaker 6: Well, I don't see how we could walk away from
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Speaker 6: the Paris Agreement. I don't see how we can walk
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Speaker 6: away from our commitment to reduce emissions. I mean, virtually
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Speaker 6: every country is in the Paris Agreement. Virtually every country
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Speaker 6: has committed to net zero emissions. I mean we would
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Speaker 6: be a prior state. The net zero and the Paris
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Speaker 6: Agreement are not causing the problems in Australia. The problems
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Speaker 6: in Australia have been caused by the Labor Party's terrible
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Speaker 6: electricity and energy policies.
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Speaker 3: Now, these leading moderates would be rolled if the senior
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Speaker 3: leadership team including James Patterson, Michayla Cash, Angus Taylor and others,
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Speaker 3: succeed in convincing Susan Lee to dump net zero. Now
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Speaker 3: there is a compromise solution where the Paris Agreement is
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Speaker 3: retained with its commitment to reducing emissions, but the net
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Speaker 3: zero by twenty fifty legislation and pledge is dropped.
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Speaker 2: Now.
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Speaker 3: Senator Jane Hume was right today when she said this
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Speaker 3: needs to be resolved with urgency.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, confidence in the water absolutely.
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Speaker 7: The most important thing now though, is that the leader
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Speaker 7: takes a position on energy policy and does so with
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Speaker 7: a matter of urgency.
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Speaker 3: Look, as we saw from the News poll this week,
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Speaker 3: the Liberals are bleeding support and so is Susan Lee personally.
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Speaker 3: Her leadership is diminished the.
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Speaker 4: Longer this drags on.
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Speaker 3: But critically, the Opposition needs to start holding the government
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Speaker 3: to account. It can't do that until this issue is resolved,
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Speaker 3: and it's better to have an imperfect solution and move
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Speaker 3: on rather than spend forever squabbling. Now, you might have
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Speaker 3: seen this week that President Donald Trump has threatened to
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Speaker 3: take military action in Nigeria if Islamist terrorists don't stop
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Speaker 3: killing innocent Christians. Trump warned he'd sent troops guns ablazing
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Speaker 3: to completely wipe out the Islamic terrorists who are committing
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Speaker 3: these horrible atrocities.
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Speaker 8: They're killing record numbers of Christians in Nigeria and they
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Speaker 8: have other countries very bad also.
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Speaker 2: You know that that part.
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Speaker 8: Of the world they're killing the Christians and killing them
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Speaker 8: in very large numbers.
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Speaker 2: We're not going to allow that to happen.
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Speaker 3: And Trump has put his Department of War on notice.
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Speaker 4: Now.
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Speaker 3: Jihads are reportedly destroying hundreds of churches every month, and
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Speaker 3: in total, there are estimates that up to ninety ten
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Speaker 3: thousand churches have been burned, destroyed, or shut down at
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Speaker 3: gunpoint since Boco Haram began its murderous campaign in two
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Speaker 3: thousand and nine. Also, up to one hundred thousand Christians
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Speaker 3: have been killed. The International Christian concern organizations say this
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Speaker 3: is one of the most horrifying but underreported crises of
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Speaker 3: our time, and the group warns that Boko Haram, Islamic
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Speaker 3: State West Africa and Fulani militants have together and I quote,
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Speaker 3: turned entire regions into blood soaked killing fields, scattering the
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Speaker 3: faithful and hollowing out once thriving Christian communities. Meanwhile, anti
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Speaker 3: Semitic pro guys of protesters receive wall to wall media coverage,
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Speaker 3: Yet the media cannot be bothered to cover a real
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Speaker 3: genocide occurring against Nigerian Christians. This is absolutely valid criticism,
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Speaker 3: and commentator Bill Maher made the same point just two
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Speaker 3: weeks ago. This is so much more of a genocide
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Speaker 3: attempt than what is going on in Gaza.
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Speaker 4: They are literally attempting to wipe out the Christian population
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Speaker 4: of an entire country.
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Speaker 2: Where are the kids protesting.
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Speaker 3: This precisely and the same could be said for the
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Speaker 3: genocide in Sudan. In northeastern Africa, NBC News reports that
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Speaker 3: in the past two days, the blood has been visible
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Speaker 3: from space as bodies pile up from a slaughter. There
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Speaker 3: are estimates that tens of thousands of people have been
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Speaker 3: killed in the past.
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Speaker 8: Week in agencies in Sudan sounding the alarm warning hundreds
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Speaker 8: of thousands of people are in grave danger in and
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Speaker 8: around a key city in the region of Darfur in
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Speaker 8: the midst of a brutal civil war. Disturbing scenes emerging
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Speaker 8: in videos on social media showing summary executions by a
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Speaker 8: powerful paramilitary force known as the RSF, its troops taking
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Speaker 8: control of the city of al Fascia in northern darfth Sunday.
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Speaker 8: Since then, reports of human rights abuses and civilians being
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Speaker 8: executed in the city.
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Speaker 3: And in total, there are media reports that up to
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Speaker 3: one hundred and fifty thousand people have been killed since
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Speaker 3: April twenty twenty three. So yes, in Sudan there's an
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Speaker 3: actual genocide. Public executions, mass killings visible from satellite images
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Speaker 3: and reports on the ground. Spiked online political editor Brendan
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Speaker 3: O'Neil writes that twenty twenty five will go down in
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Speaker 3: history as the year the world chased a fake famine
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Speaker 3: in Gaza and ignored a real one in Sudan. US
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Speaker 3: Secretary of State Marco Rubio also spoke about the misuse
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Speaker 3: and politicization of the word genocide earlier this.
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Speaker 9: Year, in an era in which the term genocide has
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Speaker 9: been misappropriated, just almost a global slander, an international slander.
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Speaker 9: This is a real genocide by its very definition. This
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Speaker 9: is a real genesid. This is the ethnic targeting of
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Speaker 9: specific groups for extermination, for elimination.
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Speaker 3: Over the past two years, we've seen leaders give moral
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Speaker 3: cover to protests around the world about claims of a
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Speaker 3: genocide in Gaza. Now, a genocide is the intentional, as
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Speaker 3: Marco Rubio just said, the intentional destruction of a national, ethnic, racial,
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Speaker 3: or religious group. Now, these claims against Israel were false.
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Speaker 3: Israel took more precautions than any army in history to
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Speaker 3: avoid Palestinian civilian casualties, including leaflet drops and text messages
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Speaker 3: warning civilians before military action, and the preliminary figures from
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Speaker 3: Israel suggest that the civilian casualty ratio was extremely low,
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Speaker 3: and if there was any genocide in the Middle East,
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Speaker 3: it was Hermas and other Palestinian terror groups intent on
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Speaker 3: wiping out Jews and Israel entirely. But now we're witnessing
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Speaker 3: devastating atrocities in Nigeria and Sudan. Yet there's been barely
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Speaker 3: a peep from international aid organizations, activists, the United Nations,
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Speaker 3: or political leaders. Their outrage, if expressed at all, is mutant.
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Speaker 3: Certainly We've seen no global protests, no student encampments, no
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Speaker 3: votes at the United Nations, no obsessive coverage in the media.
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Speaker 3: Have you heard Pennywong speak about Sudan or Nigeria? What
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Speaker 3: about Albinizi, Tony Burke, how about Macron or Keir Starmer.
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Speaker 3: It's unbelievable, isn't it. President Trump, in taking a principled
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Speaker 3: moral stant, has exposed the hypocrisy of so many world leaders,
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Speaker 3: including our own, who claimed compassion for human suffering, yet
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Speaker 3: remained silent in the face of atrocities against Christian Nigerians
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Speaker 3: and the Sudanese. Their outrage, it seems, was never about
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Speaker 3: humanity at all.
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Speaker 4: It was all about attacking Israel.
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Speaker 3: I'm going to come back to net zero in just
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Speaker 3: a moment, but let's turn to the RBA decision to
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Speaker 3: keep rates on a hold at three point six percent
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Speaker 3: after surging inflation. Now, Governor Michelle Bullock has warned there
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Speaker 3: may not be any rate cuts for the foreseeable future.
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Speaker 3: I'm sure you've seen her comments already on Sky News tonight,
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Speaker 3: But now Robert gott Liebsen is warning in the Australian
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Speaker 3: this evening that our nation is in danger of a recession.
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Speaker 3: He writes central bank and a government heading different directions.
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Speaker 3: There is normally a recession, a power cost induced recession.
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Speaker 3: Let that sink in a power cost induced recession, it's
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Speaker 3: particularly dangerous for Australia. Well to discuss I'm joined now
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Speaker 3: by Daily Telegraph journalist James Willis and Sky News host
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Speaker 3: Joe hildebrantat I'll see you now that warning from Robert Gottliebs.
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Speaker 3: And he's not ideological, he's not political. He's an extremely
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Speaker 3: highly respected economic journalist. He's been covering economics for decades.
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Speaker 3: This is this issue is because of the high power
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Speaker 3: prices and the fact that inflation clearly isn't under control
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Speaker 3: and according to the RBA forecasts today, they're not expecting
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Speaker 3: inflation to get back to the two to three percent
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Speaker 3: target band until well into twenty twenty six.
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Speaker 5: Yeah.
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Speaker 10: Absolutely, Look, I'm not pretending to be anywhere of the
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Speaker 10: caliber of economic journalists that have Robert gott Libs and
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Speaker 10: but I've wrote the same thing in my column on Monday,
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Speaker 10: just from a political perspective, that high power prices driving
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Speaker 10: obviously power prices up themselves plus inflation overall, we saw
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Speaker 10: those shot figures that meant that we wouldn't get a
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Speaker 10: rate cut today, and then higher interest rates is an
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Speaker 10: absolute trifecta of terror for the government. And I actually
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Speaker 10: warned that the basket case that the opposition is making
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Speaker 10: of itself over net zero countless other things, the coalition
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Speaker 10: tearing itself apart is actually cloaking what is a real
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Speaker 10: sort of ticking time bomb for the government. And so
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Speaker 10: I was, you know, the point I was making just
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Speaker 10: from a political perspective, because I don't pretend to be
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Speaker 10: able to predict economic outcomes, but that politically this is
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Speaker 10: I think the most dangerous thing, the greatest threat that
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Speaker 10: the government has.
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Speaker 2: Faced so far.
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Speaker 3: Will you sell yourself shot joke because you're on the
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Speaker 3: same page as Robert gott Leech.
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Speaker 2: I know, I'm very glad that he can earn my greatest.
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Speaker 3: You know, but in our seriousness, James, I mean, you know, politically, sure,
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Speaker 3: this would be terrible for Albanezi, but for the country
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Speaker 3: this is terrifying. We're meant to be emerging from the
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Speaker 3: tough times now with interest rates should be falling, and
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Speaker 3: yet we're seeing sticky inflation, and now we're warned that
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Speaker 3: this could even turn into a recession next year.
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Speaker 11: Well, just keep in mind that one of the reasons
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Speaker 11: we avoided a recession the last time was because the
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Speaker 11: large levels of migration that came into the country, the
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Speaker 11: large amounts of government money. And we have heard those
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Speaker 11: stories over and over again, showery about the number of
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Speaker 11: people now that rely on some form of government support,
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Speaker 11: whether that be a government job, whether that be welfare.
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Speaker 11: And we're in a situation where if you actually look
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Speaker 11: under the hood to what's happening in the private sector, well,
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Speaker 11: the number one issue is energy, and energy prices are
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Speaker 11: crippling big industry. We saw what happened with Tommygough a
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Speaker 11: couple of days ago. We seem to keep hearing about
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Speaker 11: a gas shortage. There is no gas shortage in this country.
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Speaker 11: The gas industry is moving it all offshore, but people
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Speaker 11: can't get decent gas. And ultimately the issue for us
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Speaker 11: is twofold one because we're expecting more interest rate cuts
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Speaker 11: in this cycle. I think people were hoping for maybe
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Speaker 11: two or one or two more, and the RBA seem
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Speaker 11: to be saying today that we're almost back to that norm.
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Speaker 11: And the other is unemployment and what actually happens with
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Speaker 11: artificial intelligence, largely from this point on the next twelve
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Speaker 11: eighteen months is going to be fascinating to see whether
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Speaker 11: that goes up and how many jobs are swallowed up
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Speaker 11: by AI, which seems to be happening more and more
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Speaker 11: every week, and.
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Speaker 3: Already today Michelle will Look spoke about how unemployment rate
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Speaker 3: has ticked up and employment is still growing but at
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Speaker 3: a much slower pace, So that's definitely part of it.
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Speaker 3: We haven't seen the full weight of AI, as you mentioned,
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Speaker 3: but Joe, you know you're right when you point out
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Speaker 3: that because the Coalition has been speaking about itself, the
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Speaker 3: pressure hasn't been brought to bear on the government for this.
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Speaker 4: They can't spin their way out of this.
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Speaker 3: This is an extremely difficult situation if as Michelle Bullock
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Speaker 3: is saying it, and you know, I don't. These aren't
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Speaker 3: her exact words, but she was basically saying, look, our
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Speaker 3: interest rates weren't as high as other countries, so they
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Speaker 3: might not fall as low.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 10: Yeah, Look like every other mortgage holder I was relying
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Speaker 10: on or hoping for an extra two or three rate cuts,
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Speaker 10: It doesn't look like that is coming. There are people
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Speaker 10: in much worse positions than me. But the most eye
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Speaker 10: opening thing is I've been, as you know, sort of
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Speaker 10: you know, the face of this Back Australia campaign that
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Speaker 10: News Corp has been doing, which has been absolutely.
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Speaker 3: Huge along the way you said, the face of the camp.
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Speaker 2: Why do I pretend to be doing all the work?
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Speaker 2: You know? But I am to go out the billboards. Yeah,
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Speaker 2: it goes out in spirits.
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Speaker 10: And I wrote the kind of original sort of you know,
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Speaker 10: set piece article that kind of tried to point to
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Speaker 10: where the problems were.
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Speaker 4: It's an important campaign and the one.
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Speaker 10: Thing that everyone pointed to be it you know, the
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Speaker 10: Australian Workers Union, be it be Tony Shepherd who ran
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Speaker 10: the task force in the manufacturing in New South Wales
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Speaker 10: but at BHP in a piece you'll see tomorrow is
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Speaker 10: energy prices. It keeps coming up again and again and again.
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Speaker 10: Energy affordability and security is the number one issue for
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Speaker 10: Australian manufacturing. That is why Tomogo is possibly now going offshore.
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Speaker 10: And it's why again when I you know, again in
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Speaker 10: the COLLMO wrote yesterday the number one thing that the
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Speaker 10: government absolutely must do is lower energy prices. Any way,
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Speaker 10: it can be that by the fake kind of artificial
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Speaker 10: means of just continuing the subject.
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Speaker 2: You can't do that forever.
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Speaker 7: You know.
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Speaker 2: Here's the other structural thing as well. No one can
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Speaker 2: answer when prices is going to come down.
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Speaker 11: Because under this roadmap, I think, well, some people loading
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Speaker 11: ten years, some people are saying five years. We were
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Speaker 11: told there was a two hundred and seventy five dollars
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Speaker 11: reduction that never came.
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Speaker 10: So the big driver of the price, especially in New
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Speaker 10: South Wales which is where Tomogo is, and Tommogo uses
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Speaker 10: ten percent of New South Wales electricity. You had the
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Speaker 10: regulator in July as people saw saying, hey, guess what
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Speaker 10: you're allowed to You know, hey, don't worry electricity hostels.
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Speaker 10: You're allowed to jack up your prices by ten percent.
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Speaker 10: That's high than anywhere else in the country. And that
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Speaker 10: is because of things like network costs, capital works, the
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Speaker 10: stuff we need to do to get to.
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Speaker 3: Some other topics before we run out of time. So
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Speaker 3: a Melbourne Cup controversy has erupted after the winning hoss
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Speaker 3: Half Yours that's the name of the horse. Half Yours
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Speaker 3: was filmed at the end of the race with a
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Speaker 3: bleeding mouth.
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Speaker 4: Now I have a look at the footage.
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Speaker 3: There was such an uproar about this the bleeding mouth
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Speaker 3: of the horse that Racing Victoria has had to come
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Speaker 3: out and comment publicly that, you know, so many people
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Speaker 3: online were extremely upset about this and if you can
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Speaker 3: see it on the television there so Racing Victoria have
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Speaker 3: commented publicly saying post race examination by the that team
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Speaker 3: has found that Half Yours has sustained a minor laceration
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Speaker 3: to the inside of its left cheek. They say the
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Speaker 3: hoss is fine and no treatment was required. Now, James,
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Speaker 3: we don't know what this laceration is from, but you know,
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Speaker 3: obviously it's very distressing to see the winning horse and
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Speaker 3: the race like this.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 11: Absolutely, and it sounds like from what I've read that
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Speaker 11: the horse may have bit the inside of its mouth
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Speaker 11: or something like that, or something that has been in
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Speaker 11: its mouth during the.
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Speaker 2: Race caused the cut.
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Speaker 11: Look, it's distressing and Channel nine when I was watching today,
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Speaker 11: clearly tried to avoid showing the horse's mouth after the
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Speaker 11: race and tried to do their best.
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Speaker 2: To avoid that. Look. It's a race every year that seems.
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Speaker 11: I'm not sure we've had an incident last year, but Sadly,
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Speaker 11: horses have died in the Melbourne Cup.
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Speaker 2: We've had horses break legs, and it's the.
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Speaker 11: Kind of race, a long distance horse race that you know,
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Speaker 11: seems to us the years go on, attract a lot
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Speaker 11: of negativity in people choosing not to get involved in it.
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Speaker 11: I mean, I look, to be honest, it's not the
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Speaker 11: worst thing I've seen. I didn't notice it at the time,
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Speaker 11: but that footage is distressing and I hope the animal's okay.
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Speaker 10: Yeah, look, I think it's time we finally once and
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Speaker 10: for all said nup to the Cup and everyone just
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Speaker 10: focused on the real horse race, which is the Sydney Everest.
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Speaker 4: Yes, oh Joe, Joe the.
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Speaker 2: Face of that as well.
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Speaker 10: Right, yeah, let's not forget it. I was out the
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Speaker 10: Big Dance to that. There was there another horse, right, yes,
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Speaker 10: the Big Dance.
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Speaker 11: Yeah, that's where I want the Golden Eagle.
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Speaker 2: Last week, what was the other one? What was the
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Speaker 2: one in Melbourne?
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Speaker 10: You mentioned the Melbourne.
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Speaker 11: Melbourne c That was what we were just yeah, yeah,
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Speaker 11: just let me from Yeah.
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Speaker 3: Well, I was in the Sky News today, so of
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Speaker 3: course I was watching Parliament at two o'clock and then
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Speaker 3: the RBA decision and then back to Parliament and.
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Speaker 10: Would you want to be would you want to be
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Speaker 10: you know, drinking champagne and eating lobster and watching a
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Speaker 10: horse race questions?
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Speaker 3: Sure about it, And let's talk to the politics now,
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Speaker 3: because this net zero bowl, as I spoke about earlier,
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Speaker 3: is still consuming the Liberal Party now, James. They seem
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Speaker 3: to be close to reaching a compromise deal. My sources
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Speaker 3: tell me it's it's not going to be this week,
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Speaker 3: but we are seeing moderates who just do not want
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Speaker 3: to drop the goal of net zero.
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Speaker 11: Well, I think my big thing is if you have
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Speaker 11: a look at who the moderates are, who they actually
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Speaker 11: are as politicians, and just say, would you want to
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Speaker 11: vote for those people? Are they the kind of people
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Speaker 11: that you could see being Prime minister one day? Are
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Speaker 11: they the kind of conservatives that you'd like to support?
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Speaker 11: The answer, in my view is probably not so. Look,
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Speaker 11: the moderates are the biggest part of the problem here.
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Speaker 11: They think you've got to get as close to the
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Speaker 11: center to what labor is doing as possible.
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Speaker 2: You can't possibly back.
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Speaker 11: Net zero because you'll lose all the northern beaches of
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Speaker 11: Sydney or those affluent areas that are now voting Teal
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Speaker 11: but Worth and there correct.
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Speaker 2: But the reality is that I mean Melbourn.
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Speaker 11: Yeah, you need a point of difference. There must be
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Speaker 11: a point of difference here. Net zero is twenty five
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Speaker 11: years away. People just say net zero and think it's climate.
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Speaker 2: Change and we've got to do that. What is your
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Speaker 2: point of difference?
20:43
Speaker 11: Lock it in, argue it, be brave, be strong, and
20:47
Speaker 11: I think you'll find that a lot more people will
20:48
Speaker 11: vote for you. They're backnet zero at two elections. How's
20:51
Speaker 11: that gone for them? They've lost dozens of seats in
20:53
Speaker 11: that time under Scott Morrison and Peter Dutton.
20:55
Speaker 2: So I'm not solved.
20:56
Speaker 3: The difference is now that it's really biting in terms
20:59
Speaker 3: of electricity prices. But Joe, I want to ask you
21:02
Speaker 3: about Susan Lee's leadership now. Probably safe for the meantime,
21:06
Speaker 3: but next year if the polling doesn't improve, you know,
21:10
Speaker 3: I think the sentiment now is, look, give her a
21:11
Speaker 3: bit more time, give her still a go.
21:13
Speaker 10: Yeah, I think also, why would you want it? I
21:15
Speaker 10: mean it's an absolutely, it's a hospital pass.
21:17
Speaker 4: So's she's still a seat warmer. They're not going to
21:20
Speaker 4: go to the election with her as the leader.
21:22
Speaker 2: Absolutely not, no way as brutal and again.
21:25
Speaker 10: And this is the thing with Nazi and in one
21:27
Speaker 10: way it's sort of a catch twenty two. If they
21:29
Speaker 10: move to the center, they lose their base. If they
21:32
Speaker 10: move to their base, they lose the center. Now, yes,
21:37
Speaker 10: the opposition does need a point of difference, but the
21:39
Speaker 10: problem is what is that point of difference. There's no
21:41
Speaker 10: point saying what you know, have a point of difference
21:43
Speaker 10: without saying what it is going like. They're not going
21:46
Speaker 10: to win the next election. They're probably not going to
21:47
Speaker 10: win the one after that because this will in all
21:49
Speaker 10: likelihood destroy them unless electricity prices get so catastrophically high.
21:56
Speaker 4: I've been speaking right, or people just go it's a.
21:58
Speaker 10: Pocks on both your houses and their votes sort of
22:01
Speaker 10: scatter a bit. If it's about power prices, those votes
22:03
Speaker 10: might go to someone like one nation before they go
22:05
Speaker 10: to the coalition.
22:07
Speaker 2: The point of difference is not eighty two percent renewables.
22:10
Speaker 2: That's that's the thing.
22:11
Speaker 11: Labor's saying, eighty two percent renewables out of the next
22:13
Speaker 11: few years.
22:14
Speaker 2: That's a massive target.
22:15
Speaker 11: Right in New South Wales, it's like sixty eight percent
22:17
Speaker 11: coal right now. So the point of difference is to
22:20
Speaker 11: scale that back, to keep coal on the grid.
22:22
Speaker 2: For longder, to talk about well, yeah, but you may
22:25
Speaker 2: lights on.
22:26
Speaker 11: In the meantime, we're talking about you know, billions and
22:28
Speaker 11: billions of dollars of investment with brand new projects and
22:32
Speaker 11: saying we've got to get to this target.
22:33
Speaker 2: Coal's gone. I mean, I don't know, can you argue coal?
22:36
Speaker 11: If we're going to export coal in larger numbers than
22:38
Speaker 11: we burn, why don't we.
22:40
Speaker 2: Just burn it here?
22:41
Speaker 4: I don't think anyone wants to do.
22:42
Speaker 3: I mean, even the liberals, the conservative liberals aren't saying.
22:45
Speaker 3: They're saying, keep coal as part of the energy mix,
22:48
Speaker 3: but they're not saying, you know, build more coal.
22:50
Speaker 4: Fight power stations, Well.
22:51
Speaker 2: You couldn't, no, but like it's you can't switch them off.
22:55
Speaker 2: That's the thing. We're going to need them.
22:56
Speaker 4: Yeah more. Chris Men says that's yes, exactly, exactly. All right.
23:02
Speaker 3: Should we quickly talk about Ma'm Danny because it's now,
23:06
Speaker 3: you know, very early in the morning in New York,
23:08
Speaker 3: probably something like five am Tuesday, so today is the
23:13
Speaker 3: polling day, the final polling day, and huge concern that
23:17
Speaker 3: Ma'm Danny is going to be the next New York
23:20
Speaker 3: City mayor Trump has made this last minute intervention, Joe,
23:25
Speaker 3: you know, releasing a social media post urging people not
23:28
Speaker 3: to support Ma'm Danny commented in an interview as well,
23:32
Speaker 3: I mean this would be just a horror show.
23:34
Speaker 2: Yeah, it would be.
23:34
Speaker 10: And I kind of think, you know what if you
23:36
Speaker 10: think that you can just make this stuff up and
23:38
Speaker 10: just say, oh, we're going to build all these castles
23:40
Speaker 10: in the air, and we're going to do it by
23:41
Speaker 10: taxing the rich, fine, go see how that works out
23:45
Speaker 10: for you.
23:46
Speaker 11: So just quickly four policies, right, free childcare, free transport,
23:51
Speaker 11: government run grocery stores, and there's one other that you
23:55
Speaker 11: can go to the statue of Liberty's head once a
23:56
Speaker 11: year or something, yeah, some week act.
24:00
Speaker 10: It's extremely similar to the Greens policies here, except the
24:03
Speaker 10: Greens will never get thank god, will never actually hold government.
24:06
Speaker 10: And if you look at the costings for all those policies,
24:09
Speaker 10: which were all funded by their multimillionaire billionaire extra super
24:13
Speaker 10: company Megattacks, all the costings from the Parliamentary Budget Office say,
24:17
Speaker 10: there is no way that these numbers will be achieved
24:21
Speaker 10: because quess what, people who get rich aren't just going
24:23
Speaker 10: to sit around and let some socialist come take it
24:26
Speaker 10: off them.
24:26
Speaker 3: They're going to move on, and because of already the
24:29
Speaker 3: tax changes, a lot of people have already left New
24:31
Speaker 3: York anyway. Well, for one hundred and eighty days of
24:34
Speaker 3: the year, they can be there, Joe around, James Willis
24:37
Speaker 3: see all right, let's bring in now Senator Paul scar
24:41
Speaker 3: the Shadow Immigration Minister. Paul, thanks for your time. Now,
24:45
Speaker 3: you're a member of the Liberal You're a member of
24:48
Speaker 3: the Liberal moderate faction. Would you be disappointed to see
24:53
Speaker 3: the Liberal Party drop net zero?
24:57
Speaker 7: Well, first, I don't describe my as a member of
25:01
Speaker 7: any faction of the party. I've been a member of
25:04
Speaker 7: the Liberal Party since i was seventeen, so thirty eight
25:07
Speaker 7: years ago. In terms of the debate we're having in
25:12
Speaker 7: relation to emissions reduction policy, I think we're making positive progress.
25:17
Speaker 7: I thought we had a really really good meeting last
25:20
Speaker 7: Friday where there were many members of the Liberal Party
25:22
Speaker 7: in attendance with Dante, and it was very well chaired meeting.
25:26
Speaker 7: We had in exchange of views with respect to different
25:29
Speaker 7: perspectives right across from regional members, senators from right across
25:33
Speaker 7: the country, and I think there are a lot of
25:36
Speaker 7: things we agree on. We agree electricity prices are too high.
25:39
Speaker 7: We agree there still needs to be a missions reduction.
25:42
Speaker 7: But we've got to get the balance right. And I
25:44
Speaker 7: think we're can more constructively together and get the answer.
25:48
Speaker 4: What do you think from my perspective?
25:50
Speaker 7: From my perspective, we've got to get the electricity prices down.
25:54
Speaker 7: It's just crippling Australian households, it's crippling Australian businesses. I'm
25:58
Speaker 7: seeing that in my homestof to Queensland, where the mount
26:02
Speaker 7: iSER smelter, the Townsville copper refinery. We're in trouble. We're
26:06
Speaker 7: seeing that with Tommago, I'm seeing it.
26:08
Speaker 3: Does that mean in terms of an energy position, does
26:11
Speaker 3: that mean you dump net zero?
26:15
Speaker 2: Well?
26:16
Speaker 7: I think it means a focus has to be on
26:19
Speaker 7: bringing electricity prices. We certainly do not have net zero
26:23
Speaker 7: at in any cost. That's unacceptable. We cannot have net
26:26
Speaker 7: zero at any cost. So we have to see what's practical,
26:30
Speaker 7: what makes common sense for Australia at this point in time.
26:33
Speaker 7: From my perspective, I think we need to have a
26:36
Speaker 7: serious discussion with respect to nuclear energy. It doesn't make
26:39
Speaker 7: any sense to me at all that will have nuclear
26:41
Speaker 7: powered submarines imports all around Australia, but we won't. From
26:45
Speaker 7: the Labor Party in Green's perspective, won't use nuclear power
26:48
Speaker 7: to generate electricity doesn't make any sense to me at all.
26:52
Speaker 3: There are widespread media reports today that Lee's leadership is vulnerable.
26:57
Speaker 3: Do you think Susan Lee is on borrow time?
27:01
Speaker 7: I support Susan as our leader. She won the party ballot.
27:05
Speaker 7: I think Susan has worked extremely hard. She's introduced policy procedures,
27:10
Speaker 7: policy making procedures which give every person in the party
27:13
Speaker 7: an opportunity to have their input. So I think Susan
27:16
Speaker 7: needs to be given an opportunity. I really think it's
27:19
Speaker 7: important that Susan is given every opportunity.
27:23
Speaker 3: Now in your own portfolio area, as I said, your
27:26
Speaker 3: shadow Immigration Minister. Now, you know everyone's been focusing on
27:30
Speaker 3: net zero, but you gave a speech recently at the
27:33
Speaker 3: Migration Institute and you said this. You said, we will
27:36
Speaker 3: take time to get our immigration policy right.
27:40
Speaker 4: We will listen to the community.
27:42
Speaker 3: The policy development process will be iterative and continuous. It
27:46
Speaker 3: will evolve throughout the term. Paul, this sounds like you're
27:51
Speaker 3: avoiding a decision on migration numbers.
27:57
Speaker 7: I respectfully disagree. I think it reflects the fact that
28:01
Speaker 7: we need to get all of the data and the evidence.
28:04
Speaker 7: We need to talk to stakeholders and get their views.
28:07
Speaker 7: And I can tell you the immigration rate for the
28:10
Speaker 7: year ending thirty one March twenty twenty five was three
28:14
Speaker 7: hundred and fifteen thousand, nine hundred.
28:16
Speaker 4: It's too high, So what do you think it should
28:18
Speaker 4: come down.
28:19
Speaker 7: A number of benchmarks. Well, on a number of benchmarks,
28:23
Speaker 7: the ten year average before the COVID nineteen pandemic was
28:25
Speaker 7: two hundred and sixteen thousand, so it's still one hundred
28:28
Speaker 7: thousand above that level. But at the same time, shari
28:31
Speaker 7: As you know, we've got a housing supply issue, and
28:35
Speaker 7: the government's own State of the Housing Market report for
28:38
Speaker 7: twenty twenty five indicated that if we keep going along
28:42
Speaker 7: baseline population growth in five years time, we're going to
28:45
Speaker 7: have a shortage of houses in the teens of thousands.
28:48
Speaker 7: So we've got to do.
28:49
Speaker 4: The work to get that balance right.
28:51
Speaker 7: Between addressing school shortages and we've got skool shortages all
28:55
Speaker 7: across Australia, including in regional Australia especially, and make sure
29:00
Speaker 7: that governments at all three levels are working together to
29:04
Speaker 7: provide the infrastructure, the housing and the services Australians need.
29:08
Speaker 3: And I just want to get to your policy position though,
29:10
Speaker 3: sorry to interrupt it. I just want to get to
29:12
Speaker 3: your policy position though. What do you think the migration
29:16
Speaker 3: level should be?
29:19
Speaker 7: Well, the migration level needs to be a level that's sustainable.
29:22
Speaker 7: What that is that figure now?
29:24
Speaker 3: Is it one hundred thousand a year? Is it two
29:26
Speaker 3: hundred thousand a year?
29:29
Speaker 7: Well, that's the work we're doing in terms of working
29:32
Speaker 7: out what the figure need, what the figure should be.
29:34
Speaker 7: And I've given you a few benchmarks. The ten years
29:37
Speaker 7: prior to the COVID nineteen pademic, it was two hundred
29:40
Speaker 7: and sixteen.
29:41
Speaker 3: Why does it take six months to come up with
29:43
Speaker 3: a policy.
29:44
Speaker 7: Like this, Well, I think it's a complicated matter. I
29:50
Speaker 7: think it's a complicated matter in terms of balancing the
29:54
Speaker 7: issues around skill shortages on the one hand and making
29:57
Speaker 7: sure that we don't cut off our those our face
30:01
Speaker 7: in terms of the need for agricultural communities to have
30:04
Speaker 7: the workers they need, for our regional hospitals to have
30:07
Speaker 7: the workers they need, and on the other hand, to
30:10
Speaker 7: achieve balance in terms of housing supply. This is not
30:13
Speaker 7: an easy This is not an easy matter. And one
30:16
Speaker 7: of the things I want to avoid is coming out
30:19
Speaker 7: with the figure that the government can simply work at
30:23
Speaker 7: attacking and breaking down and finding ways in which they
30:27
Speaker 7: can assault that figure. We need to do the work,
30:29
Speaker 7: and we need to do it from the ground up
30:31
Speaker 7: in terms of each visa category as well.
30:33
Speaker 3: All Right, Pauscar, thank you very much for coming on
30:36
Speaker 3: the show. Appreciate your time. Now still to come, we're
30:40
Speaker 3: standing by to hear from the country's top spyboss, Mike
30:43
Speaker 3: Burgers as he gives a critical update on national security.
30:47
Speaker 4: You don't want to miss this.
30:48
Speaker 3: Plus how the BBC doctor Donald Trump's speech to make
30:52
Speaker 3: him sound like he was urging rioters to fight ahead
30:55
Speaker 3: of the January sixth Capitol Hill insurgency.
30:58
Speaker 4: That's next, welcome back.
31:04
Speaker 3: Well, the BBC edited a Donald Trump's speech made outside
31:08
Speaker 3: the Capitol in a way which appears to make him
31:11
Speaker 3: encourage the January sixth Capital riots. Now that's what a
31:16
Speaker 3: whistleblowing memo. That's been seen by the Telegraph and the
31:19
Speaker 3: UK says, have a look at their video you see.
31:22
Speaker 7: Panorama released a documentary called Trump a Second Chance, and
31:27
Speaker 7: in it they played the following clip, We're.
31:31
Speaker 11: Going to walk down to the Capitol and I'll be
31:34
Speaker 11: there with you.
31:36
Speaker 2: And we fight. We fight like hell between Capitol and
31:42
Speaker 2: that's a cut.
31:43
Speaker 12: Here's what Trump actually said.
31:45
Speaker 2: We're going to walk down to the Capitol.
31:51
Speaker 5: And we're going to cheer on our brave senators and
31:55
Speaker 5: congressmen and women.
31:58
Speaker 4: Yeah, pretty shocking.
32:00
Speaker 3: Has released a statement saying when it receives feedback, it
32:03
Speaker 3: takes it seriously and considers it carefully. It's just more
32:07
Speaker 3: evidence of its shocking bias. Joining me now for more
32:11
Speaker 3: on this is The Nightlies chief writer Aaron Patrick. Aaron,
32:15
Speaker 3: this is just the latest example of the BBC bias,
32:19
Speaker 3: but pretty terrible to think that they edited Trump's speech
32:23
Speaker 3: in this inflammatory way.
32:26
Speaker 12: What I think is particularly poor about this example is
32:30
Speaker 12: that the BBC holds itself out as a paragon of
32:34
Speaker 12: journalistic ethics and principles, and the Panorama program, which is
32:39
Speaker 12: from is the BBC's equivalent four Corners, So it is,
32:43
Speaker 12: in theory meant to have the very highest standards of
32:46
Speaker 12: investigative journalism. So engage it to engage in this kind
32:49
Speaker 12: of flagrant manipulation of the truth in order to make
32:54
Speaker 12: the President look like you said something you didn't and
32:58
Speaker 12: not over a trivial matter, over fundamental matter.
33:01
Speaker 7: Of his.
33:03
Speaker 12: Career, perhaps what many people thought was the lowest point
33:08
Speaker 12: of his presidencies. For this to be proven to be
33:10
Speaker 12: untrue is a huge scandal.
33:14
Speaker 3: It is indeed, and the BBC is under massive pressure
33:16
Speaker 3: from it, particularly in the UK. And for anyone who
33:19
Speaker 3: doesn't know, the BBC is their taxpayer funded broadcaster, you
33:23
Speaker 3: know our ABC is similarly biased and has had its
33:26
Speaker 3: own problems with adding extra gunshots to its report on
33:31
Speaker 3: a Heston Russell that he eventually was able to expose
33:35
Speaker 3: and win in a defamation case in court. Now, Aaron,
33:39
Speaker 3: you've written about the turmoil in the Liberal Party. You've
33:43
Speaker 3: said that if Susan Lee does choose to drop net zero,
33:47
Speaker 3: it could save her job, her credibility and the coalition.
33:51
Speaker 3: There is also mounting speculation that Angus Taylor could be leader.
33:56
Speaker 3: How do you think this all unfolds from here?
34:00
Speaker 12: Well, it seems that the party room is finally finally
34:04
Speaker 12: balanced and there is a huge struggle going on here
34:09
Speaker 12: over climate policy, and you have Conservatives who seem to
34:14
Speaker 12: have won the day and convince the leadership, including Susan Lee,
34:19
Speaker 12: to drop the commitment to net zero. But the so
34:21
Speaker 12: called moderates, I think it's bit of calling them centrists
34:23
Speaker 12: or the left wing of the party don't want to
34:25
Speaker 12: do this because they're based in urban electorates, inner city electorates,
34:30
Speaker 12: and they really fear that there will be a backlash
34:33
Speaker 12: if this policy has changed. So this is a really
34:36
Speaker 12: difficult moment for the Liberal Party. There are no easy answers,
34:41
Speaker 12: but I think liberals I've spoken to hope for some
34:44
Speaker 12: kind of compromise where both sides can go to their
34:49
Speaker 12: people and say, hey, we've done the right thing by you.
34:54
Speaker 3: And in terms of the leadership move, you know, I
34:57
Speaker 3: don't personally think there will be any leadership moves this year.
35:01
Speaker 3: I think there is a sentiment in the party that
35:03
Speaker 3: they want.
35:04
Speaker 4: To give her a bit more time. What are you hearing?
35:10
Speaker 12: Everyone knows it would be a colossal embarrassment if the
35:15
Speaker 12: Liberal Party was to remove its first woman leader in
35:20
Speaker 12: her first year in the job. It would look like
35:23
Speaker 12: it would be portrayed as not being serious about sexual equality,
35:28
Speaker 12: and everyone is highly conscious of that. At the same time,
35:32
Speaker 12: there is a sense, I think of great disappointment in
35:35
Speaker 12: Susan Lee Jalack Alrigson, who's very influential columnist in The Australian,
35:41
Speaker 12: got to call him out today. So she doesn't know
35:43
Speaker 12: what Susan Lee stands for. So I think there's also
35:46
Speaker 12: great disappointment at how she's handled this matter, the climate matter,
35:50
Speaker 12: but also are the smaller things too. She seemed to
35:53
Speaker 12: have perhaps gone too far and so her career is
35:58
Speaker 12: at a very very delicate part right now.
36:02
Speaker 3: And just in terms of that point that she doesn't
36:04
Speaker 3: know what she stands for. She's not a conviction politician,
36:07
Speaker 3: but that was actually her pitch when she stood up
36:10
Speaker 3: and spoke to the party pitching for the leadership. She
36:13
Speaker 3: actually said, I'm not going to make any captain's calls.
36:16
Speaker 3: It'll all be joint, cooperative decisions that are taken to
36:20
Speaker 3: the party room. So that was the basis on which
36:24
Speaker 3: she's elected. But now of course the party's finding out
36:26
Speaker 3: that perhaps it does want a leader with a vision
36:30
Speaker 3: with conviction. Well let's turn to the IRBA now, I'm
36:33
Speaker 3: keen to hear your thoughts on this now. Unsurprising after
36:37
Speaker 3: the inflation data last week that the cash rate has
36:40
Speaker 3: remained on hold at three point six percent, but now
36:43
Speaker 3: there are serious concerns about rising unemployment, sticky inflation, and
36:49
Speaker 3: where this leaves our nation.
36:52
Speaker 12: We're in this really awkward moment economically because interest rates
36:57
Speaker 12: are coming down, that inflation's going on, and that's contradictory
37:01
Speaker 12: and that can't hold and the government Reserve Bank today
37:04
Speaker 12: Michelle Bullock didn't not have any answers. She basically said, Hey,
37:08
Speaker 12: I don't know, I don't know what's going to happen
37:10
Speaker 12: to interest rates. So in other words, it looks like
37:12
Speaker 12: the Reserve Bank is losing control of the economy. You
37:17
Speaker 12: have a federal government which is spending a lot, which
37:19
Speaker 12: is contributing upwards to inflation, so then making the Reserve
37:23
Speaker 12: bank jobs harder for general you know, if you want
37:28
Speaker 12: to go out and take a mortgage, you've got to
37:29
Speaker 12: work out should I fix my mortgage or not. Well,
37:32
Speaker 12: there's no indication of which way to go, and so
37:35
Speaker 12: this is a really difficult moment for not just the
37:38
Speaker 12: Reserve Bank, but for borrowers across the economy. And I
37:41
Speaker 12: think it's going to cause a lot of heartache.
37:45
Speaker 4: Yeah.
37:45
Speaker 3: Indeed, all right, Aaron Patrick, really appreciate your time, and look,
37:49
Speaker 3: let's hope it is at a recession. And let's hope
37:51
Speaker 3: the heartache isn't that you know that inflation starts to lower,
37:56
Speaker 3: because it will be devastating for a lot of families
37:58
Speaker 3: across the nation. Right after the break, I'll give you
38:01
Speaker 3: some details of Mike Burgess's major.
38:05
Speaker 4: Announcement tonight that's coming up.
38:11
Speaker 3: Welcome back well tonight. In breaking news, a CEO Director
38:15
Speaker 3: General Mike Burgess is warning there's a realistic possibility that
38:21
Speaker 3: a foreign government will try to assassinate an Australian dissident.
38:26
Speaker 3: He warns the threat is real, and he says there
38:29
Speaker 3: are three nations willing and capable of conducting lethal targeting
38:34
Speaker 3: against a perceived dissident in Australia now. He says his
38:39
Speaker 3: agency is working around the clock to prevent such an attack.
38:44
Speaker 3: In a major address and I'll bring it to you
38:45
Speaker 3: live in a moment, Mike Burgess is giving his strongest
38:49
Speaker 3: warning yet on the unprecedented threats he says we're facing
38:53
Speaker 3: in Australia. He warns that australia social cohesion is under siege,
38:59
Speaker 3: under threat, under attack.
39:01
Speaker 4: His words, He says, our.
39:03
Speaker 3: Social fabric is fraying in ways we've never experienced before
39:07
Speaker 3: and that It's not an accident. He warns, Australia has
39:10
Speaker 3: never faced so many different threats at scale at once.
39:16
Speaker 4: Now.
39:17
Speaker 3: The ASIO director's speech tonight at the Loewe Institute focuses
39:20
Speaker 3: on social cohesion and anti Semitism.
39:24
Speaker 4: He warns that even.
39:25
Speaker 3: If the ceasefire in the Middle East holds, AZIO expects
39:30
Speaker 3: ongoing challenges for social cohesion in Australia. He talks in
39:35
Speaker 3: his speech about unpeaceful protest and we saw that just
39:40
Speaker 3: this morning with thirteen protesters pro Palestinian protesters arrested at
39:47
Speaker 3: a defense conference in Sydney. Now, in very strong remarks,
39:52
Speaker 3: Mike Burgess says that he fears anti Israel rhetoric is
39:57
Speaker 3: fueling and normalizing wider anti Semitic narratives, and he talks
40:03
Speaker 3: about how violence and hatred has been normalized against one
40:09
Speaker 3: community clearly he means they're the Jewish community. And he
40:15
Speaker 3: speaks about how artificial intelligence and social media are driving division.
40:20
Speaker 3: He says, and I quote, if you engage with hardline
40:24
Speaker 3: but nonviolent religious content on one of the most popular platforms,
40:29
Speaker 3: its algorithms will serve up more and more extreme material,
40:34
Speaker 3: until after just a few clicks, you can be watching
40:37
Speaker 3: grotesque isis propaganda. And he also speaks very frankly about
40:44
Speaker 3: the threats from authoritarian regimes. He says they're increasingly reckless
40:49
Speaker 3: and seemingly uncensed, unconcerned that arson attacks or arson attempts
40:55
Speaker 3: could claim innocent lives, or that fake terror ropaganda could
41:01
Speaker 3: inspire an actual attack. Now, these are extremely strong words
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Speaker 3: from Australia's top spy, the Director General of ASIO, and
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Speaker 3: he says that the step from a reckless.
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Speaker 4: Act to a high harm act is just a small one.
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Speaker 4: He warns.
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Speaker 3: Azio assesses there is a realistic possibility a foreign government
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Speaker 3: will attempt to assassinate a perceived dissident in Australia.
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Speaker 4: This threat is real.
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Speaker 3: We believe there are at least three nations willing and
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Speaker 3: capable of conducting lethal targeting here. Now, Mike Burgess has
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Speaker 3: just started speaking at the low Institute.
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Speaker 5: Let's go Live's my privilege and great honor to work
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Speaker 5: with you all, So thank you. It's a great honor
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Speaker 5: to be asked to deliver the twenty twenty five low
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Speaker 5: E lecture. Franklowe's life is as inspiring as his legacy.
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Speaker 5: He grew up amid the ruins of Europe, but built
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Speaker 5: an empire in Australia and founded the Lowy Institute, a
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Speaker 5: factory of ideas. He escaped hate and darkness to channel
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Speaker 5: or choosing to channel his success into enlightenment. While I'd
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Speaker 5: never compare myself to Frank, I'm also an immigrant to
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Speaker 5: this country. I'll never forget arriving in Adelaide as a
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Speaker 5: seven year old traveling from a dark, damp London. Stepping
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Speaker 5: off the plain into an Australian summer felt like going
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Speaker 5: from a black and white movie into a color one.
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Speaker 5: The vivid blue sky and vibrant colors of the city
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Speaker 5: of Adelaide radiated opportunity and possibility. And I think it
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Speaker 5: says a lot about Australia that a survivor of the
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Speaker 5: Holocaust can become one of our most successful business leaders
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Speaker 5: and greatest philanthropists, and the sun of ten pound poms
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Speaker 5: became become the Director General of Security. This gives me
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Speaker 5: particular interest in social harmony, something Thrank Lowe himself identified
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Speaker 5: as one of Australia's richest blessings when he delivered this
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Speaker 5: lecture in twenty eighteen. Community cohesion remains a great blessing.
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Speaker 5: Seven years later, but it is under siege, under threat
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Speaker 5: and under attack. Our social fabric is fraying, fraying in
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Speaker 5: ways we have never experienced before, and this is not
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Speaker 5: an accident. Tonight I will explore how the security threats
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Speaker 5: are damaging our cohesion and how a damaged cohesion is
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Speaker 5: amplifying security threats. Given this is the low E lecture,
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Speaker 5: I'll start with the International Dynamics. ASIO is sometimes called
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Speaker 5: Australia's domestics by agency. This is not accurate. Our mission
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Speaker 5: is to protect Australians from security threats wherever they are,
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Speaker 5: at home and abroad. We have officers in multiple countries
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Speaker 5: and working relationships with literally of hundreds of intelligence and
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Speaker 5: security agencies. Some you would expect, some I know you
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Speaker 5: would find more surprising. Our officers routinely conduct operations offshore
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Speaker 5: to defend Australia's interests. A recent example involved a foreign
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Speaker 5: intelligence service that keeps ASIO very busy, despite claiming it
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Speaker 5: does not spy on us, one of its teams tried
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Speaker 5: to cultivate and recruit several Australians and believed it had
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Speaker 5: convinced them to betray their country. Reflecting asio's success in
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Speaker 5: making Australia an unwelcome environment for espionage. This foreign intelligent
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Speaker 5: service arranged for the Australian to travel by plane and
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Speaker 5: then a boat to a third country for a face
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Speaker 5: to face meaning the spies wanted to hand over a
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Speaker 5: list of their intelligence requirements, the people and things they
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Speaker 5: wanted spied on inside information on Australia's economy. Critical minerals
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Speaker 5: and orcusts were high on that list. Little did they know,
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Speaker 5: ASL was tracking and manipulating their entire activity. We worked
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Speaker 5: with a partner in the third country to deliver an
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Speaker 5: unwelcome surprise. When their intelligence officers arrived at the location,
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Speaker 5: they were not met by their target. They were met
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Speaker 5: by an asal officer. The conversation was brief but pointed.
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Speaker 5: We told them Australians were off limits, and we warned
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Speaker 5: them we would disrupt their operations whenever and wherever we chose,
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Speaker 5: and of course we sent our regards to the head
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Speaker 5: of their service. Spies are meant to report any interaction
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Speaker 5: with counterparts from another country. I'm pleased to note these
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Speaker 5: intelligence officers followed the rules and owned up to their superiors.
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Speaker 5: Their cover and their operations were blown. Its national perspective
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Speaker 5: is more important than ever before, because in a hyper
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Speaker 5: connected world, almost every domestic security threat involves and oversees nexus.
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Speaker 5: Australia is not an island. Sorry, Australia is an island,
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Speaker 5: but we are not isolated. The tyranny of distance does
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Speaker 5: not make tyranny distant. Putin's invasion of Ukraine prompted a
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Speaker 5: more aggressive and reckless Russian intelligence apparatus to target Ukraine
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Speaker 5: supporters around the world, including Australia. Russia has always been
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Speaker 5: a significant espionage threat. Ben Chiffley founded ASIO to counter it.
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Speaker 5: For the ongoing war with Ukraine added urgency to its
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Speaker 5: intelligence gathering. Last year to Russian born Australian citizens were
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Speaker 5: arrested and charged with an espionage related defense. Russia's brazen
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Speaker 5: acts of sabotage in Europe demonstrated its willingness to use
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Speaker 5: a wider range of tools and tactics to coerce, intimidate
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Speaker 5: an damage perceived adversaries, and we should not assume Australia
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Speaker 5: is immune, nor can we blithely hope that parts of
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Speaker 5: its intelligence apparatus that specialize in sowing division and spreading
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Speaker 5: disinformation will ignore us. I'll return to this form of
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Speaker 5: Russian foreign interference. Soon the conflict in the Middle East
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Speaker 5: also reshaped Australia's secured environment from AFAR. While the conflict
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Speaker 5: did not directly inspire terrorism here, it prompted the promoted protests,
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Speaker 5: exacerbated tension, undermined social cohesion, and elevated intolerance. This in
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Speaker 5: turn made acts of politically motivated violence more likely. Even
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Speaker 5: if the ceasefire holds, we expect ongoing tests to our
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Speaker 5: social cohesion. Inflammatory rehetoric, provocative disruptive actions have been normalized,
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Speaker 5: and I fear normalization of violence and hatred against one
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Speaker 5: community created a permissive environ for similar behaviors in other
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Speaker 5: countries and behaviors in other communities. Great power competition in
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Speaker 5: our region is contributing to multiple territorial disputes, including in
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Speaker 5: the South China Sea, Cashmere, the Taiwan Straits, and the
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Speaker 5: Korean Peninsula, while also driving a relentless hunger for strategic
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Speaker 5: advantage and an insatial appetite for inside information. This is why,
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Speaker 5: based on what ASIO is seeing, more Australians are being
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Speaker 5: targeted for espionage and foreign interference than ever before. At
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Speaker 5: the same time, all three of these international drivers are
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Speaker 5: being accelerated by rapid advances in technology. In terms of
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Speaker 5: social cohesion, the Internet is the greatest incubator of grievance,
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Speaker 5: narratives and conspiracy theories. It's an echo chamber for disaffection, misinformation,
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Speaker 5: and reinforcement. While the Internet incubates, social media accelerates. If
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Speaker 5: you engage with hardline but nonviolent religious content on one
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Speaker 5: of the most popular platforms, its algorithms will serve up
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Speaker 5: more and more extreme material, until after just a few clicks,
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Speaker 5: you'll be watching grotesque isis propaganda. And while the Internet
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Speaker 5: incubates and social media accelerates, artificial intelligence exacerbates. You will
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Speaker 5: not be surprised to know that I am deeply concerned
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Speaker 5: about the potential for AI to take online radicalization and
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Speaker 5: disinformation to entirely new levels. The results of these compounding
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Speaker 5: dynamics is a domestic security environment with an unprecedented number
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Speaker 5: of challenges and an unprecedented cumulative level of potential harm.
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Speaker 5: Australia has never faced so many different threats at scale
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Speaker 5: at once, and these dynamics are putting unprecedented strain on
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Speaker 5: our social fabric, the fabric Frank Lowe helped weave and
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Speaker 5: preserve fractured community cohesion is not one of the specific
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Speaker 5: matters Asia is empowered to investigate, but it is directly
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Speaker 5: linked to our three most pressing security concerns, espionage, foreign
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Speaker 5: interference and politically motivated violence. It aggravates them, and, Asol
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Speaker 5: explained to Night, they aggravate it. Of course, there have
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Speaker 5: been other periods of social dislocation in Australia, starting with
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Speaker 5: the most significant the impact of European settlement on First
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Speaker 5: Nations peoples. In the nineteen sixties, seventies and eighties, for example,
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Speaker 5: conflicts far away reached into this country with deadly intent.
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Speaker 5: There were sixteen bomb attacks against Yugoslav interests, the Innandomaga
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Speaker 5: attacks on representatives and symbols of the Indian government, bombings
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Speaker 5: of the Sydney Israeli Consulate and the Hakoa Club, and
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Speaker 5: the bombing of the Turkish consulate in Melbourne. But what
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Speaker 5: we are seeing today is on a different scale, with
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Speaker 5: different dynamics. Grievance is growing, intolerance is rising, inflammatory rhetric
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Speaker 5: and behavior is being normalized. Anti authority believes are spreading.
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Speaker 5: There are multiple cascading and intersecting threats to our social cohesion,
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Speaker 5: fueled by three distinct but connected cohorts, the aggrieved, the opportunistic,
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Speaker 5: and the cunning. The aggrieved are the individuals who tear
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Speaker 5: at our social fabric. The opportunistic are the organized groups
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Speaker 5: that take advantages of weaknesses in our social fabric. And
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Speaker 5: the cunning are the nation states that play a longer,
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Speaker 5: more calculated game to divide and distract us. Let's start
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Speaker 5: with the aggrieved. Political differences, political debates, and political protests
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Speaker 5: are an essential part of a healthy democracy. Unfortunately, here
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Speaker 5: and overseas, levels of personal grievance and frustration are growing,
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Speaker 5: rightly or wrongly. Some Australians feel dispossessed, disaffected, and disenfranchised.
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Speaker 5: There are spikes in polarization and intolerance. Many of the
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Speaker 5: foundations that have underpin Australia's security, prosperity and democracy are
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Speaker 5: being tested. Social cohesion is eroding, Trust and institution is declining.
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Speaker 5: Even truth itself is being undermined by conspiracy, miss and disinformation.
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Speaker 5: Similar trends are playing out.
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Speaker 3: Across the Western all right, if you want to keep
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Speaker 4: Po Murray is up now.