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Growing Pains With NATHAN CAVALERI · HEAVY Music Interviews

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Speaker 1: Hey guys, Nathan Cavaliery here, we're up for a chat
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Speaker 1: about my latest tour, which is a storytelling theater show
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Speaker 1: called Growing Pains.
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Speaker 2: Fantastic Nathan, thanks for joining us today.
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Speaker 1: Run I pleasure, Thanks for your time, well.
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Speaker 2: Pleasure as well.
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Speaker 3: Does you say you were set to and bark on
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Speaker 3: a Victorian and New deouth Wales record, Going Pains, The
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Speaker 3: Nathan Cavaliery Story, which starts in The Rabbit on June
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Speaker 3: twentieth and finishes in Avoca Beach, New deelth Wales. I
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Speaker 3: love ever twenty eighth mates, so it's not far off. Now,
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Speaker 3: how are you feeling?
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm feeling pretty good. I mean, this is a
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Speaker 1: new space for me. Even normally I get up on
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Speaker 1: stage and I spend the whole time playing music. I
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Speaker 1: still tell stories, but this is a storytelling style show
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Speaker 1: even though I've got music in it, and I'm telling
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Speaker 1: a lot of these experiences just first person with all
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Speaker 1: of the details like I'm reliving it and yeah, very
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Speaker 1: it's scary but also equally exciting.
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Speaker 2: It is. So it's like.
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Speaker 3: To say, it's more than just a normal run of
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Speaker 3: live shows, mate, It's more of a storytelling thing.
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Speaker 2: So where did they idea come from?
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Speaker 1: Well, when I got back into it, I was actually
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Speaker 1: just starting to share my experiences like growing up on tour,
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Speaker 1: playing with all these amazing legends, but also making sense
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Speaker 1: of life along the way and some of the challenges
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Speaker 1: I went through. And it's getting a lot of feedback
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Speaker 1: from members of the audience saying that they loved the songs,
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Speaker 1: but they really loved the stories and wanted more of
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Speaker 1: them and suggested I write a book, and I just,
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Speaker 1: I think, just because I've lived this life, so it's
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Speaker 1: not it just feels pretty normal to me, And I thought, well,
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Speaker 1: I don't want to I want to write a book.
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Speaker 1: It feels a little bit premature. But they were barking
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Speaker 1: at me for a long time, so I thought, all right, well,
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Speaker 1: what didn't I try something different and bring it to
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Speaker 1: the stage and create a live show out of it.
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Speaker 2: So is it just you and the guitar stories or
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Speaker 2: is it video use there?
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Speaker 1: Like, Yeah, we have a couple of moments where there's
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Speaker 1: archival footage, some rare stuff that is I don't think
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Speaker 1: ever being made public, particularly me playing with be King
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Speaker 1: at Madison Square Garden, which is quite special to discover
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Speaker 1: and watch and it's been long enough now that I'm
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Speaker 1: not embarrassed by it.
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Speaker 3: There's lots to cover there though, bro, Like, Okay, what
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Speaker 3: was the process for selecting because I say, you would
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Speaker 3: actually leave a lot of stuff out otherwise it'll be
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Speaker 3: a twenty four hour show.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, I think it all came down to the point.
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Speaker 1: The point of the show really dictated which stories to tell,
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Speaker 1: and I didn't want it. I didn't want it to
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Speaker 1: be a show that's just rattling off all of my
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Speaker 1: career highlights. I wanted it. I wanted to tell these
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Speaker 1: stories in a way that broke it down into fundamentals
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Speaker 1: that were relatable for people. So it's not just about
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Speaker 1: entertaining people, it's about having them walk away and hopefully
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Speaker 1: feeling inspired and maybe even a bit more understood. So
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Speaker 1: that's why I talk a fair bit about the challenges
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Speaker 1: that came with that level of success and what I learned,
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Speaker 1: and even the darkness just just going through some mental
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Speaker 1: health challenges and how I was able to take those
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Speaker 1: steps out of that darkness and what it taught me.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: The Prince release calls it a raw and honors show mates,
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Speaker 3: So there's nothing really taboo, is there like you've been
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Speaker 3: through some massive highs, you've been through some pretty deep loads,
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Speaker 3: Like you're not just blotting over the bad things, like
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Speaker 3: actually go in depth and talk about everything.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, I mean we don't learn from the winds, right,
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Speaker 1: Our biggest lessons have learned from our failures or where
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Speaker 1: we've fallen short if you want to, probably a better
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Speaker 1: way to reframe it. And I think for me personally,
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Speaker 1: when I was going through tough times, it was exacerbated
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Speaker 1: by being surrounded by people who were quite like surface level,
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Speaker 1: who didn't share the depths of their life and what
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Speaker 1: they had been through for me to then go, wow,
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Speaker 1: I'm not alone here. So when I'm up on stage
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Speaker 1: for growing Pains, when we go deep and we go
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Speaker 1: to those challenges, we really go there and I'm not
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Speaker 1: holding back, And which also made it quite a challenging
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Speaker 1: show to write as well, because I had to dig
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Speaker 1: up parts of the past that I buried and I
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Speaker 1: haven't revisited for a long time. But then with that
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Speaker 1: came Catharsis.
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Speaker 2: So along those lines, how that difficult was it for you?
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Speaker 3: Like, I know most of the people out there just
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Speaker 3: see the good side of rock life.
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Speaker 2: And rife on the road and stuff like that. But
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Speaker 2: you're covering things that some people might be confronted by.
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Speaker 2: So that's definitely got to be confronting to you as well.
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Speaker 1: Was it difficult, Well, going through it was definitely difficult
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Speaker 1: telling it, not so much. I don't know where I
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Speaker 1: I don't know where I got it from in terms
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Speaker 1: of being comfortable to just just share my whatever that
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Speaker 1: experience is. Maybe I'm I think maybe going through success
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Speaker 1: as a kid and all the shit I copped for it,
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Speaker 1: I was used to just feeling on the outside and
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Speaker 1: developing a type of confidence within myself that didn't depend
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Speaker 1: so much on what people thought about me and and
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Speaker 1: and it's for that reason why I'm open to just sharing.
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Speaker 1: I'm talking to the people who who want to hear
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Speaker 1: it as well. So you know, we're all just human
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Speaker 1: at the end of the day, right, trying to make
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Speaker 1: sense of life and do our best.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, they give us, give us, give us a story
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Speaker 3: of life on the road.
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Speaker 1: And it's in the show Ooh Life on the Road. Well,
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Speaker 1: it's there's some hilarious moments. I will say, this is
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Speaker 1: not all deep. I like I was going through puberty
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Speaker 1: while I was in front of the cameras, and you
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Speaker 1: can imagine if you if you remember puberty, it's an
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Speaker 1: awkward time where the hormones are just absolutely hijacking everything
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Speaker 1: in your sense of self. And I had so many
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Speaker 1: fails because I had this burning desire to to meet
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Speaker 1: girls and and but I just kept failing over and
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Speaker 1: over again. And and so I share some of those stories,
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Speaker 1: and I mean, we're talking about some really embarrassing moments
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Speaker 1: that are only funny in reflection years later, but not
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Speaker 1: when they happened. But I'm lucky because, like I my family,
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Speaker 1: we all live these experiences together. My dad made a
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Speaker 1: point that is, if we're going to do this and
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Speaker 1: that we've got to keep the family together. So he's
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Speaker 1: a bricklayer, and so he would put the bill. The
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Speaker 1: record companies just would pay for me and a minder,
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Speaker 1: but he was like, no, I'm going to add to
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Speaker 1: that so that we can all stay together and leave
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Speaker 1: these experiences out together. So but you know, obviously, touring
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Speaker 1: with BB King taught me so much. That was the
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Speaker 1: first time I had experienced blues on the big stage
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Speaker 1: up until that point, and was jamming with guys in
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Speaker 1: smoky blues clubs. But that was like playing in the
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Speaker 1: middle of the outside in the desert on a gorge
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Speaker 1: in Seattle, in front of ten thousand people, and he
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Speaker 1: would have me up on stage to play blues with
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Speaker 1: him in the middle of his set and get me
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Speaker 1: to count in his band. I mean, and I as
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Speaker 1: much as what I felt out of place, I also
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Speaker 1: felt really welcomed into their world. And I remember turning
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Speaker 1: around going these are not just guys who listen to blues.
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Speaker 1: These are guys who created blues from their own hardships
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Speaker 1: and their pains as a way to heal and bring
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Speaker 1: people together. And here's me from Southwest Sydney, a kid
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Speaker 1: twelve years old, up on stage and it was that,
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Speaker 1: you know, the biggest bit of a lesson that I
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Speaker 1: got from him two words, two very powerful words, which
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Speaker 1: is the theme of this show, which is be you.
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Speaker 1: And I didn't know what that meant at that time.
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Speaker 1: I sort of did, But that's that's a beacon being
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Speaker 1: served as a beacon throughout my whole life during whatever challenges.
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Speaker 1: If I'm stuck in a storm, it's like, what's me,
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Speaker 1: What's truly me? That's my compass. And yeah, so I mean,
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Speaker 1: I have lots of stories. I think probably the most
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Speaker 1: hilarious one. I didn't know who I was playing with
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Speaker 1: a lot of the time, I knew who bb King was.
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Speaker 1: And I'm playing an open air festival out in the
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Speaker 1: Green sixty thousand people. They have me on after Elton
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Speaker 1: John on main stage and before Page and Plant, and
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Speaker 1: I don't know who Page and Plan are because I'm
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Speaker 1: so young. I didn't discover rock until a little bit later.
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Speaker 1: And so I'm up on stage and I'm playing. I'm
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Speaker 1: doing my best and this old guy is the side
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Speaker 1: of stage watching with a big smile. And if I
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Speaker 1: get off stage and he comes up to me and
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Speaker 1: he's given me all these different compliments and everything and
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Speaker 1: ask for a CD and can I sign it? So
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Speaker 1: I go over to my mom. I'm like, that old
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Speaker 1: bloke over there wants to sign CD, to give me
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Speaker 1: a CD. And she's she's shocked. She's like that guy
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Speaker 1: over there and I say yeah, and she's like, that's
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Speaker 1: Jimmy Page. And I said, who's Jimmy Page? Yeah, I know, right,
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Speaker 1: and I didn't know. And then right next to him
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Speaker 1: was Robert Plant.
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Speaker 2: Wow, that's amazing.
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Speaker 1: I know, it's just and my whole early day's career
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Speaker 1: is just filled with those moments. I didn't know. I
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Speaker 1: didn't I didn't know until the other day that Ben
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Speaker 1: and Jerry's came to my gig a couple of times
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Speaker 1: in San Francisco, the ice cream hippies that invented the
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Speaker 1: ice cream and and we had mad conversations. I didn't
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Speaker 1: know that that that was Ben and Jerry's What Ben
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Speaker 1: and Jerry's are you serious?
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Speaker 3: Job?
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Speaker 1: And Jerry Ben and Jerry, Ben and Jerry's.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: I think my first experience with he bro was in
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Speaker 3: a place called Giants Blues.
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Speaker 2: Bar up in Canas.
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Speaker 1: Oh.
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Speaker 2: You used to come down a lot when you're just
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Speaker 2: a kid man. We used to come along.
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Speaker 3: I would have only been about nineteen or twenty. Other
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Speaker 3: you we just used to look at you and just like.
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Speaker 2: What that fuck?
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Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, John Know's Blues Bar that was. That
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Speaker 1: was a great place, and I definitely have some memories there,
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Speaker 1: and I think, yeah, I mean to get a little
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Speaker 1: bit more serious, it's it's. It wasn't too long after
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Speaker 1: that that I started to get just a little bit
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Speaker 1: embarrassed about my name because of all the shit I
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Speaker 1: copped at school and and and that's kind of what
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Speaker 1: led to a collapse. And I go onto this in
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Speaker 1: the show because the show is a lot about the
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Speaker 1: struggle with identity and learning how to be comfortable being yourself,
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Speaker 1: and so obviously take people along on that journey as
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Speaker 1: long as well as my mental health challenges that I
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Speaker 1: went through with anxiety and depression and insomnia.
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Speaker 3: And you know, I was actually just a little slide
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Speaker 3: noted that I saw something on Facebook yesterday someone film.
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Speaker 2: And JOHNO he's still playing on the night up and
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Speaker 2: can still here. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: I walked into a guitar store up there to get
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Speaker 1: some strings, and the owner of that guitar store, he's like,
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Speaker 1: I know you like And it turns out I had
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Speaker 1: met him back in those days, and then yeah he was.
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Speaker 1: He said the same thing about JOHNO, that he's there
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Speaker 1: playing at the markets and stuff like that.
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Speaker 2: I could understand a word he said twenty years ago.
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Speaker 2: I don't know how people understand.
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Speaker 1: I know absolutely. I think when he was up on stage,
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Speaker 1: I used to get really embarrassed when he'd start singing,
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Speaker 1: because he's he would he'd had whatever amount of beer
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Speaker 1: is and in a great bloke. So I'm not I'm
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Speaker 1: not disrespecting and everything, but he had troubles controlling the
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Speaker 1: saliva in his mouth, so whenever he was singing, he
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Speaker 1: just spit all over the front row and I was like, ah.
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Speaker 2: You didn't have to use a microphone after video, I know, right,
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Speaker 2: he's got a touch on this.
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Speaker 3: Before I leave Roban, there's a quite in the press
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Speaker 3: release that there's the story follows your path from bucketing
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Speaker 3: competitions to the heights of stardom and back home to himself.
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Speaker 3: Like I love that last bit where it says follows
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Speaker 3: you back home to yourself, Like, what is that encompass?
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Speaker 1: Well, I mean you you you lose your way sometimes
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Speaker 1: and and I triggered by that embarrassment and insecurities about
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Speaker 1: being me. Then we see I made different decisions in life,
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Speaker 1: and my relationship with the guitar and music change because
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Speaker 1: of that. Those beliefs that I didn't check in my
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Speaker 1: head and I did. I lost my way, And not
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Speaker 1: that I was putting out music that I didn't like
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Speaker 1: or anything, but it's there. There was a lot of distortion,
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Speaker 1: not the good kind in my head that took me
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Speaker 1: so far away, and it was actually going through chronic
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Speaker 1: fatigue insomnia and all that stuff where I didn't think
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Speaker 1: I'd ever be up on stage again. That brought me
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Speaker 1: back home because I started to write songs out of
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Speaker 1: just pure self expression. It wasn't about is this going
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Speaker 1: to be on the radio? Is it going to be
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Speaker 1: a hit? You know people are gonna like it whatever.
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Speaker 1: It was just like when I was a kid. I
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Speaker 1: used to get in the garage and just play, like
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Speaker 1: the play whatever I wanted. And until I developed about
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Speaker 1: twelve songs that I was really stoked with that moved
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Speaker 1: me and thought and this coincided with it at a
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Speaker 1: time where I'd learned all these lessons about my inner
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Speaker 1: world that opened my world back up. They got rid
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Speaker 1: of the insomnia, got rid of the anxiety, got rid
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Speaker 1: of the depression, and I thought, I wonder, I wonder
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Speaker 1: if I need to face my fears and try and
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Speaker 1: reacquaint myself with the stage again. And now I've got
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Speaker 1: the songs. And when I did and I got to
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Speaker 1: the other side of that, there was a type of
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Speaker 1: love and a connection with stage and music that I
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Speaker 1: hadn't had for years. And I would say it's probably
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Speaker 1: even more potent and more free and blissful because I
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Speaker 1: now knew where those depths are, like how deep those
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Speaker 1: struggles can go and it can swallow you up. So
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Speaker 1: to come back from that that they're going to come
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Speaker 1: back knowing myself, it feels like I'm returning home again.
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Speaker 2: Now back back to the show again.
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Speaker 3: But you're telling these stories about your life, which songs like.
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Speaker 2: In an interactive why does the crowd get to ask
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Speaker 2: me questions? Or is it just you?
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Speaker 1: Well, actually it's a bit better than that, So it's
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Speaker 1: it is a show. So it's I'm telling those stories.
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Speaker 1: I'm taking you through those experiences. Then I'm breaking it
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Speaker 1: up with the odd song here and there that punch
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Speaker 1: awakes that story and I I I toyed around with
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Speaker 1: the idea at the end of opening up to a
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Speaker 1: Q and A. But some of these these these venues
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Speaker 1: are like four or five six hundred cap And one
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Speaker 1: of my favorite things to do is to get out
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Speaker 1: there after the gig people that came to the show.
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Speaker 1: So I'll go out the back near the merch desk
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Speaker 1: and just and just just chat to people. And that's
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Speaker 1: when you can converse. And a lot of the times
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Speaker 1: people actually not really interested in asking questions. They want
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Speaker 1: to share their experiences and I love that. I love
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Speaker 1: that so much because we're all Yeah, like I said,
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Speaker 1: we're all just humans trying to make sense of things.
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Speaker 1: And and and when I when I hear somebody else
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Speaker 1: story that may align or relate to mine, I don't
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Speaker 1: feel so alone and vice versa. And I can't tell
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Speaker 1: you how many are lucky I'm a hugger because this
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Speaker 1: is so so many hugs, Like we'd be absolutely screwed
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Speaker 1: if this show was happening during COVID.
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Speaker 2: You know how many hugs are going to get now?
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Speaker 2: People are just gonna run up there.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, I know, I know. I tell you
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Speaker 1: I did a gig in at the top of Western
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Speaker 1: Australia and oh that was not the place that you
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Speaker 1: want to get hugs because it's so hot, humid. Everyone
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Speaker 1: is just ripping in sweat and so you get sweaty hugs.
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Speaker 1: And that's like that takes me back to my martial
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Speaker 1: arts Brazilian jiu jitsu days, and not the good side
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Speaker 1: of them.
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Speaker 3: No, no, this first Runner jokes, bro, there's a heap
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Speaker 3: in Victoria and chewing New South Wales.
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Speaker 2: But are you going to see you?
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Speaker 1: This is the first announcement. So we're building a show
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Speaker 1: that will go a tour that will go nationwide next year.
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Speaker 1: So the best thing that people can do, because it's
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Speaker 1: so hard to cut through all the noise online, to
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Speaker 1: let people know that I'm that I'm when there's a
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Speaker 1: show near them, is is sign up to my mailing
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Speaker 1: list Nathan Cavalery dot com forward slash Tour and I
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Speaker 1: will not spam you. You will just be notified when
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Speaker 1: there's a when when the tour is dropped, and when
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Speaker 1: there's a show near you. And and yeah, we're hoping
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Speaker 1: to get right around the country with this one.
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Speaker 2: Very nice.
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Speaker 3: And see you've also got a fresh finger out too
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Speaker 3: as well.
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Speaker 1: Tell us a bit about that, yeah, Tilba. So Tilba
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Speaker 1: is actually a real laid back one and and it's
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Speaker 1: it came about at a time when I actually when
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Speaker 1: I separated from the mother and my kids a couple
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Speaker 1: of years ago. And when you go through something like that,
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Speaker 1: it feels like one of your big pillars has just
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Speaker 1: come crumbling down, and and everything's foggy. You don't know
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Speaker 1: what's around the corner. You can't even say what's gonna
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Speaker 1: happen the next next day. And I was driving through
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Speaker 1: this town called Tilbert Tilba. It's Tilbur Tilba and down
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Speaker 1: the far south of New South Wales, and something about
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Speaker 1: that drive just pulled me into the moment and it
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Speaker 1: showed me that I was just creating all these stories
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Speaker 1: of what might lie on the other side of this
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Speaker 1: missed fog, and all these stories none of them were good.
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Speaker 1: It was all doom and gloom that was causing all
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Speaker 1: this anxiety. And I thought, I can't know, like I
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Speaker 1: can't truly know, so there's no point in entertaining this
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Speaker 1: and these mountains. This drive was just it was almost like,
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Speaker 1: at the risk of sounding like a complete hippie, which
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Speaker 1: obviously I'm a bit of a hippie at times, is
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Speaker 1: it's almost like the universe was just giving me a
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Speaker 1: big hug to just go It's okay, Like it's just trust,
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Speaker 1: have a bit of trust, and this is just the
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Speaker 1: faith in the unknown. Just have a bit more faith
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Speaker 1: in the unknown. Put one foot in front of the other,
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Speaker 1: and that next step will reveal itself. So that became
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Speaker 1: my beacon through that really turbulent time that really served me,
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Speaker 1: and I wrote a song about it and put it
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Speaker 1: out called Hilbert.
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Speaker 2: Very nice fan. Did you remember the first time you
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Speaker 2: ever heard one of your songs and what song was?
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Speaker 1: Oh, I was Little Egypt. It was Little Egypt. I
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Speaker 1: was nine years old and that was my first thing
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Speaker 1: ever and it was absolutely smashed on radio and I
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Speaker 1: thought that was the coolest thing. I mean still, if
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Speaker 1: I heard my song on the radio, I would yeah,
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Speaker 1: it'd be absolutely awesome. But I think there's probably one
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Speaker 1: that tops it more and I haven't experienced it, but
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Speaker 1: I think if I ever experienced this, I think it's
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Speaker 1: my job done. Is if I'm walking down the street
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Speaker 1: and I hear somebody blaring my song in their car
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Speaker 1: while you're driving by, that would be just Oh, that
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Speaker 1: would be so cool. By the way, speaking of my
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Speaker 1: first single, I didn't realize who the singer was that
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Speaker 1: fronted it, so Chris Bailey, and I didn't know who
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Speaker 1: he was until I started to get into to punk
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Speaker 1: years later, and I thought, yeah, but I want to
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Speaker 1: check out some because I was familiar with a lot
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Speaker 1: of UK and American punk and I'm like, what are
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Speaker 1: some of the punk bands in Australia, like the Classic Ones.
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Speaker 1: This band called the Saints pops up and I'm like, Ah,
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Speaker 1: they're pretty cool and I'm just like, who's that And
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Speaker 1: I just look at the members. I'm like Chris Bailey.
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Speaker 1: Chris Bailey, he was my first single.
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Speaker 4: No way, that's so cool. Yeah, it's so cool. All right,
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Speaker 4: thanks very much for your time. Roping up to pleasure.
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Speaker 4: The tour kicks off on Dune the twenty. Where can
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Speaker 4: people find out more information and get them sell tickets?
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Speaker 1: Yeah, Nathancavaliery dot com Forward Slash Tour. You can get
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Speaker 1: all of your tickets there again, sign up to the
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Speaker 1: mailing list so you notified for future gigs. And I
19:44
Speaker 1: definitely encourage buying early. It's they are selling well. But
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Speaker 1: also it does help artists anxiety. I know, like there's
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Speaker 1: like ever since COVID, everyone buys like the last week
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Speaker 1: unless you're Taylor Swift, right, and so we're all sit
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Speaker 1: there right now, it was going, oh my god, do
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Speaker 1: we need to cancel this gig? And that's becoming a
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Speaker 1: theme where you're seeing you're seeing artists and venues cancel
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Speaker 1: shows and they don't need to because they will pull
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Speaker 1: numbers that last week, but some of them just can't
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Speaker 1: risk it waiting that long because then you get into
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Speaker 1: all the non refundable costs of touring, and it costs thousands.
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Speaker 1: So if you're out there and you want to go
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Speaker 1: see music, just buy a ticket.