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🔴 Whitehouse Releases 1st Batch Of UFO Files May 8, 2026 · 4biddenknowledge Podcast

• 1:02
  SPEAKER_22: All right, we are live.
• 1:06
  SPEAKER_22: What if I told you that today, May the 8th, 2026, the United States government released some UFO files?
• 1:19
  SPEAKER_22: That is what we're going to be digging in tonight.
• 1:21
  SPEAKER_22: Some of these UFO files.
• 1:23
  SPEAKER_22: What did they release?
• 1:24
  SPEAKER_22: How significant are they?
• 1:28
  SPEAKER_22: Do they have any real insight?
• 1:31
  SPEAKER_22: Are they showing real UFOs?
• 1:34
  SPEAKER_22: What is it that they're showing us and why?
• 1:38
  SPEAKER_22: And then we're going to take some time to go back in the time machine to one of the original disclosure moments.
• 1:47
  SPEAKER_22: We are going to watch one of the original and one of the greatest disclosure moments in modern history that happened in 2001.
• 1:58
  SPEAKER_22: It aired in the middle of the day on CNN while everybody was at work, completely distracted.
• 2:06
  SPEAKER_22: An incredible disclosure event with people coming forth to testify that had high-level positions in aerospace, astrophysics, nuclear physics, and what they call nuclear site or silo security.
• 2:27
  SPEAKER_22: It's going to be a great talk tonight.
• 2:29
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• 2:52
  SPEAKER_22: Thank y'all for hopping in here.
• 2:54
  SPEAKER_22: Um, we're going to go into this UFO stuff tonight.
• 2:57
  SPEAKER_22: These files that were just recently released, released by the government.
• 3:01
  SPEAKER_22: Uh, let's take a look at them to see what they have.
• 3:05
  SPEAKER_22: But we're also gonna talk about them a little bit and then move into something that really for me shook me at my core all the way back in 2001.
• 3:19
  SPEAKER_22: Really amazing stuff.
• 3:21
  SPEAKER_22: Really amazing stuff.
• 3:22
  SPEAKER_22: I mean 2001, just think about that.
• 3:25
  SPEAKER_22: You know, um, we're talking about technically 25 years ago.
• 3:31
  SPEAKER_22: 25 years ago, we had one of the just one of the greatest disclosure events, and hardly anyone knows about it.
• 3:43
  SPEAKER_22: So tonight we're gonna spend some time.
• 3:47
  SPEAKER_22: This isn't gonna be a quick 45-minute talk tonight because we're gonna actually play some video, we're gonna play some footage, and we're gonna hear from some people, not just any people.
• 4:00
  SPEAKER_22: We're going to hear from people that actually have or had at the time the codes to arm nuclear missiles.
• 4:10
  SPEAKER_22: We're gonna hear from the people that actually worked at what they call flights.
• 4:15
  SPEAKER_22: And what is a flight?
• 4:16
  SPEAKER_22: A flight is a location out in the middle of nowhere that is guarded by a secure airspace, the military perimeter, miles out where they have the nuclear silos, where you have the intercontinental ballistics underground.
• 4:35
  SPEAKER_22: We're gonna hear from people that uh military security, we're gonna hear from people high ranking.
• 4:45
  SPEAKER_22: One of the hardest jobs to get in the world has got to be the person that has the codes to the nukes.
• 4:52
  SPEAKER_22: That's probably one of the toughest jobs.
• 4:55
  SPEAKER_22: Like when you apply for that job, you're saying, yes, I would like to be apply for this job to arm nukes.
• 5:02
  SPEAKER_22: So when that person gets up to speak, we got to really listen.
• 5:07
  SPEAKER_22: We have to listen.
• 5:10
  SPEAKER_22: So, but first, we will dig into um this new content or this new stuff that just came out.
• 5:16
  SPEAKER_22: We'll take a little peep at it.
• 5:18
  SPEAKER_22: I'll give you my ideas about what I see there.
• 5:23
  SPEAKER_22: All right, but then we're going to go a little deeper.
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  SPEAKER_22: We're gonna go back in time and check it all out.
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• 8:49
  SPEAKER_22: Okay.
• 8:50
  SPEAKER_22: So let's get into it.
• 8:52
  SPEAKER_22: We know that the um the White House uh had claimed that they were going to release some some of the UFO files, right?
• 9:01
  SPEAKER_22: Uh, and so this was maybe now going back technically, I believe about maybe three or four months.
• 9:07
  SPEAKER_22: Uh, it was right around the same time that this unwanted war began in the Middle East, and everybody was already in an uproar about the Epstein files, and then we got this unwanted war.
• 9:18
  SPEAKER_22: Uh, and then it was like, I know, let's give them something, let's give them the aliens.
• 9:23
  SPEAKER_22: So, so they said, you know, let's give them a little, we'll sprinkle the aliens on them.
• 9:27
  SPEAKER_22: There's a little bit of the aliens.
• 9:29
  SPEAKER_22: May I'll shut them up, right?
• 9:31
  SPEAKER_22: So uh let's see what they got.
• 9:34
  SPEAKER_22: So far, they've given us a few things, and let's just analyze this.
• 9:38
  SPEAKER_22: I'm gonna play it back a few.
• 9:48
  SPEAKER_03: These objects wouldn't be fast here.
• 10:29
  SPEAKER_21: Let's watch it one more time.
• 11:10
  SPEAKER_03: It could be.
• 11:19
  SPEAKER_22: But then again, we don't know if it's ours or alien.
• 11:24
  SPEAKER_22: Or it could be an alien reproduction vehicle.
• 11:28
  SPEAKER_22: So let's take a look, let's take a uh a stab at what these things could be.
• 11:35
  SPEAKER_22: On one hand, could they be alien in nature, in other words, otherworldly?
• 11:41
  SPEAKER_22: Potentially, they could be out of this world.
• 11:43
  SPEAKER_22: That's but it's possible.
• 11:45
  SPEAKER_22: It's not impossible.
• 11:46
  SPEAKER_22: Nothing's impossible, right?
• 11:48
  SPEAKER_22: So it's possible.
• 11:50
  SPEAKER_22: Um at the look of the one that was flying through Iraq, that really did interest me.
• 11:57
  SPEAKER_22: Although it almost looked like an advanced type of a probe or some type of a super advanced high-tech drone uh that could have been scanning the area uh to get to gather intelligence, um, being that low.
• 12:12
  SPEAKER_22: Uh the one that was up in the sky moving around, it's possible.
• 12:16
  SPEAKER_22: It's possible.
• 12:18
  SPEAKER_22: I think maybe out of those, that small clipping, there could be maybe one that may be um alien.
• 12:26
  SPEAKER_22: Though the the others potentially could just be ARVs, alien reproduction vehicles or technology that we have reverse-engineered or created ourselves and have been testing.
• 12:38
  SPEAKER_22: Um a lot of the stuff we see in the sky is stuff that we've we've done ourselves.
• 12:45
  SPEAKER_22: And it doesn't mean that aliens aren't real.
• 12:46
  SPEAKER_22: It doesn't mean that they don't have UFOs.
• 12:48
  SPEAKER_22: I believe we're we are being visited, but I think we're getting visited by a varying array of things.
• 12:56
  SPEAKER_22: We have potential things coming up out of the oceans, which could be their actual home.
• 13:03
  SPEAKER_22: We have various objects, I believe, that are coming from space.
• 13:07
  SPEAKER_22: And then I believe we have objects coming from multi-dimensions, multidimensional entities or beings.
• 13:14
  SPEAKER_22: And then on top of that, we have our own technologies here on earth that we've been creating and developing, which kind of mimic those, uh, the ones I just mentioned.
• 13:26
  SPEAKER_22: So there could be this complete conglomerate, this whole combination of various different things happening all at once.
• 13:33
  SPEAKER_22: I don't think we can just say it's only this or it's only that.
• 13:38
  SPEAKER_22: I think we have to be more objective and begin to realize it could be many things happening simultaneously, which is why we just can't put our finger on it, right?
• 13:50
  SPEAKER_22: Um, multidimensional beings.
• 13:54
  SPEAKER_22: If you're living in a higher dimension and dimensions are stacked, we know that dimensions are stacked directly on top of one another.
• 14:03
  SPEAKER_22: They're not like far away.
• 14:05
  SPEAKER_22: The only distance that a dimension has from one dimension is the vibration.
• 14:13
  SPEAKER_22: The vibration is what keeps the third dimension from shifting into the fourth, and what keeps the fourth from shifting into the fifth, and so forth and so on.
• 14:23
  SPEAKER_22: But dimensions are compactified, and yes, that is a real word.
• 14:28
  SPEAKER_22: They're compactified, and they they're up at a 90-degree angle to the next dimension, and they're less than a Planck length distance away from one another.
• 14:39
  SPEAKER_22: That's how tight and compactified the dimensions are.
• 15:57
  SPEAKER_22: Both of those objects, the line and the two-dimensional connected lines, I can manipulate those because I'm in the third dimension, right?
• 16:07
  SPEAKER_22: I can draw on them and I can make changes and I can erase and everything else.
• 16:15
  SPEAKER_22: If I draw a house, I can see inside of all the rooms.
• 16:18
  SPEAKER_22: Why?
• 16:18
  SPEAKER_22: Because I'm in a higher dimension.
• 16:22
  SPEAKER_22: Now imagine a being or entity in the fourth, fifth, sixth, seventh.
• 16:27
  SPEAKER_22: They can see the past, present, and future all at once because they're higher than the third.
• 16:35
  SPEAKER_22: And then when they come to the realization that they're in a higher dimension and they develop enough, either spiritually or technologically, or maybe both, whatever it takes, to find out and discover the exact specific subatomic frequency of the third dimension, and say, we want to take a visit to the third dimension and just kind of take a peek in there and see what's going on.
• 17:02
  SPEAKER_22: And they find a way to shift their frequency and vibration from the sixth dimension and shift it down into a three-dimensional vibration and enter into our realm.
• 17:16
  SPEAKER_22: This could be paranormal activity, ghosts, all these kind of freaky crazy things that are going on that we just can't explain, energies and so forth.
• 17:27
  SPEAKER_22: It could even be, it could even be some of the UFO sightings.
• 17:35
  SPEAKER_22: And how would that be?
• 17:38
  SPEAKER_22: Okay, how can I explain this the easiest way?
• 17:41
  SPEAKER_22: Let me take this piece of paper.
• 17:43
  SPEAKER_22: I know this is gonna be hard to understand.
• 17:46
  SPEAKER_22: I take this paper and I draw a line on it.
• 17:53
  SPEAKER_22: And it's hard to see that line.
• 17:55
  SPEAKER_22: It's one dimension.
• 17:57
  SPEAKER_22: Now let's say that people live in this line, flat people.
• 18:03
  SPEAKER_22: One-dimensional flat people live inside of this line.
• 18:07
  SPEAKER_22: This is their universe.
• 18:10
  SPEAKER_22: If I took my finger and put my finger on the line, how would they now perceive my finger?
• 18:20
  SPEAKER_22: Being that they are one-dimensional beings in a flat world, living on a flat line, they would perceive my finger as a circle.
• 18:30
  SPEAKER_22: The imprint of my finger pushing on this paper will create a circle, a flat circle.
• 18:38
  SPEAKER_22: So, in their reality, all of a sudden they would be like a flat circle just appeared out of nowhere.
• 18:45
  SPEAKER_22: What is this?
• 18:47
  SPEAKER_22: Is it a UFO?
• 18:48
  SPEAKER_22: Yeah, it's a UFO because I can then take my finger and I can move it around the line, up and down.
• 18:55
  SPEAKER_22: And I'm now breaking the laws of gravity.
• 18:57
  SPEAKER_22: I'm moving so I'm moving 2,000 miles an hour.
• 19:00
  SPEAKER_22: From their perspective, this disc is flying all around in my world.
• 19:05
  SPEAKER_22: And how is it doing?
• 19:07
  SPEAKER_22: How is it turning?
• 19:07
  SPEAKER_22: How is it making these moves?
• 19:09
  SPEAKER_22: How is it doing that so fast?
• 19:10
  SPEAKER_22: This disc, this flat circle is just moving around.
• 19:15
  SPEAKER_22: But at the end of the day, all they are perceiving is the tip of my finger, the imprint of the tip of my finger, which in their world appears as a flat disk.
• 19:27
  SPEAKER_22: You see what I'm saying?
• 19:29
  SPEAKER_22: Could a higher dimensional being be coming in and taking a look around with whatever object it is that is imprinting into the third dimension?
• 19:41
  SPEAKER_22: And because we're immersed in the third dimension, we can only perceive a sliver of their reality.
• 19:50
  SPEAKER_22: So we only see a fractal of what really is there, not seeing the bigger connection, not seeing that a finger is connected to a hand, connected to an arm, connected to a neck and a body, or a ship, or whatever it is that they're using.
• 20:05
  SPEAKER_22: And then we go, whoa, what is this?
• 20:10
  SPEAKER_22: Now, if you scale that up to the second dimension, I draw a house, I draw rooms in the house.
• 20:20
  SPEAKER_22: I can see inside of every room in that house because I'm a third-dimensional being.
• 20:25
  SPEAKER_22: I can draw a picture of Sally in the house in the front yard and even in the backyard.
• 20:31
  SPEAKER_22: And I can see Sally in three different versions of Sally.
• 20:36
  SPEAKER_22: I can draw an older Sally, uh, a teenage Sally, and a little tiny girl playing with her mom.
• 20:43
  SPEAKER_22: And I can see and envision Sally from three different age groups in the same structure.
• 20:50
  SPEAKER_22: I can see the past, present, and future all at once in the second dimension because I'm a third-dimensional being.
• 20:57
  SPEAKER_22: Imagine a higher dimensional being.
• 20:59
  SPEAKER_22: Again, they would be able to see me in my house right now, sitting in this room, but they would see another version of me in my kitchen getting a cup of coffee, another version of me upstairs in my bedroom, another version of me in the family room.
• 21:17
  SPEAKER_22: They would see it simultaneously.
• 21:20
  SPEAKER_22: Also, if they decided to interact in the realm that I'm inhabiting, the third dimension, I might not be able to perceive the true essence of what they actually are.
• 21:30
  SPEAKER_22: And now I'm saying ghosts, demons, paranormal activity, and all this other stuff.
• 21:39
  SPEAKER_22: Let's just follow me.
• 21:40
  SPEAKER_22: I'm just these are thought experiments based on physics.
• 21:47
  SPEAKER_22: Right?
• 21:48
  SPEAKER_22: So we have the multidimensionals.
• 21:51
  SPEAKER_22: Then we have third-dimensionals.
• 21:54
  SPEAKER_22: In other words, we have real three-dimensional beings that are all around.
• 22:02
  SPEAKER_22: Planets, moons.
• 22:05
  SPEAKER_22: I believe even some of them live in space.
• 22:07
  SPEAKER_22: I don't know if you've ever seen the tether incident, but that's an amazing video where they were they were releasing a four-mile-long tether into space, and it detached, they lost it, it detached, and it spread out.
• 22:25
  SPEAKER_22: Let me see if I could find it.
• 22:28
  SPEAKER_22: And what happened was incredible because the camera system they had was in multi-spectrum mode.
• 22:35
  SPEAKER_22: Okay, the multi-spectrum mode.
• 22:40
  SPEAKER_22: And um in multi spectrum, they were picking up these massive discs flying around the doggone tether.
• 22:53
  SPEAKER_22: Now, because the tether is um a certain size, they were able.
• 23:00
  SPEAKER_22: To measure the size of some of these objects.
• 23:04
  SPEAKER_22: Some of them were larger than football fields.
• 23:07
  SPEAKER_22: And I'm gonna share my screen now and pull a video in of the tether incident.
• 23:15
  SPEAKER_22: Happened a very long time ago, 1996.
• 23:19
  SPEAKER_22: And the the uh this view uh showing uh swarming.
• 23:25
  SPEAKER_17: They're they're all like kind of stopping as they're talking about it because I think they're like, what is happening trying to figure it out?
• 23:29
  SPEAKER_17: Yeah.
• 23:29
  SPEAKER_22: Those are objects swarming a four-mile-long tether.
• 23:33
  SPEAKER_17: That's a tether released from the shuttle.
• 23:34
  SPEAKER_17: Again, it's moving in the sunrise.
• 23:36
  SPEAKER_17: And it's supposed to be miles long.
• 23:39
  SPEAKER_17: Extremely long, 12.2 miles long.
• 23:41
  SPEAKER_17: I'm sorry, I was off by a few miles.
• 23:43
  SPEAKER_17: What are those things moving?
• 23:45
  SPEAKER_17: That's what we're talking about.
• 23:46
  SPEAKER_17: They don't know what any of that stuff is.
• 23:47
  SPEAKER_17: No, okay, later they say it they think it's debris.
• 23:50
  SPEAKER_03: It's not debris.
• 23:51
  SPEAKER_17: The problem is sometimes running in different directions, they're stopping, they're changing directions.
• 23:55
  SPEAKER_17: Sometimes they move behind the tether.
• 23:57
  SPEAKER_23: It looks like what you would see in a bloodstream of a human being.
• 24:01
  SPEAKER_17: Yeah, it doesn't it?
• 24:02
  SPEAKER_17: It looks like an ether, like a liquid out there.
• 24:03
  SPEAKER_17: I'm telling you guys, space is different.
• 24:07
  SPEAKER_17: But look at the shape of the ether.
• 24:14
  SPEAKER_17: Or at least out.
• 24:16
  SPEAKER_17: It seems to be moving incredibly fast.
• 24:18
  SPEAKER_17: Yeah, but some are slow and some stop.
• 24:20
  SPEAKER_17: Some stop and then change direction.
• 24:23
  SPEAKER_17: Yeah.
• 24:24
  SPEAKER_22: So some of these things that's a quick look at the tether incident, which happened quite some time ago.
• 24:34
  SPEAKER_22: I remember when it first happened in '96.
• 24:37
  SPEAKER_22: I was in my twenties.
• 24:39
  SPEAKER_22: Uh it was about uh maybe nine, maybe I was twenty-seven at the time or something like that.
• 24:44
  SPEAKER_22: But um it was it was amazing, right?
• 24:48
  SPEAKER_22: It was amazing.
• 24:49
  SPEAKER_22: And those objects that were moving, those discs that were moving around and checking out this tether, they can only be seen in multi-spectrum on the cameras.
• 24:58
  SPEAKER_22: When they switched the cameras back to normal mode, they disappeared, they didn't even exist anymore.
• 25:05
  SPEAKER_22: Again, in my personal opinion, those aren't UFOs.
• 25:10
  SPEAKER_22: I believe that those are living things in the third dimension in space.
• 25:16
  SPEAKER_22: Another thing is the ISS, the International Space Station, they were taking a look at these outcropping growths on the outside of the actual space station.
• 25:31
  SPEAKER_22: And they re- they they looked extremely similar to barnacles that grow on the outside of boats at a dock and the same ones that grow on like whales in the ocean.
• 25:43
  SPEAKER_22: Like living things growing on the outside of the ISS.
• 25:51
  SPEAKER_22: Interesting.
• 25:53
  SPEAKER_22: And I also believe that there could be beings throughout the entire known third-dimensional universe, and some could be visiting us.
• 26:02
  SPEAKER_22: So we have the multidimensionals, we have the third-dimensionals coming from outside of Earth's atmosphere and visiting.
• 26:10
  SPEAKER_22: And then we have the underwater beings, I believe, that actually exist.
• 26:16
  SPEAKER_22: And Tim Burchett, Congressman Tim Burchett confirmed this just the other day in an official interview.
• 26:22
  SPEAKER_22: He said that they've been underwater for a very long time.
• 26:28
  SPEAKER_22: 1492, Christopher Columbus writes in his captain's log, and captains don't write things in their log for fun because the log is going to be handed over to the queen and the king.
• 26:44
  SPEAKER_22: He writes in his captain's log that a huge object glowing bright as the sun came up out of the ocean at night and lit up the entire sky and went up into space.
• 26:59
  SPEAKER_22: Interesting.
• 27:01
  SPEAKER_22: I think that they've been here for a very long time.
• 27:06
  SPEAKER_22: And then we might even have some people that live in the inner earth area, not a hollow earth.
• 27:15
  SPEAKER_22: But the earth is so massive that it has caverns that go on that are so vast, and some of them you can fit millions of people.
• 27:23
  SPEAKER_22: Like I believe the ones that are still living in that hole in Antarctica.
• 27:29
  SPEAKER_22: Major Ed Dames, rest his soul, he just passed away.
• 27:33
  SPEAKER_22: He told me that they live there, they meaning these advanced beings.
• 27:38
  SPEAKER_22: And he said, they come and go as they please, and no nation of the world can stop them.
• 27:43
  SPEAKER_22: His exact quote to me.
• 27:48
  SPEAKER_22: And then we have us human beings.
• 27:53
  SPEAKER_22: We're also aliens.
• 27:56
  SPEAKER_22: Our Cicadian rhythm doesn't even match Earth's rotation on its axis.
• 28:02
  SPEAKER_22: The astrophysics books have recently been changed as astronomers and astrophysics have found that we are absorbing another galaxy called the Sagittarius Dwarf Galaxy.
• 28:15
  SPEAKER_22: And exactly where that galaxy intersects with the Milky Way is right where we're located at the absorption point.
• 28:23
  SPEAKER_22: And now they are saying that even our own solar system doesn't come from the Milky Way galaxy.
• 28:30
  SPEAKER_22: We were planted here by an absorption of the Sagittarius Dwarf, a merger of it into the Milky Way galaxy.
• 28:38
  SPEAKER_22: So we ourselves are also aliens.
• 28:42
  SPEAKER_22: And it just goes on and on and on and on and on.
• 28:47
  SPEAKER_22: What I do believe though is that there are still three-dimensional beings that have been coming here and visiting and engaging mankind for millennia.
• 28:57
  SPEAKER_22: Maybe hundreds of thousands of years, according to the ancient text.
• 29:02
  SPEAKER_22: And I believe that they have the ones that came here and and and really enslaved mankind uh at the end of that last pyramid war, it seems as as if they most of them left.
• 29:16
  SPEAKER_22: And this became an abandoned seed colony.
• 29:18
  SPEAKER_22: Earth is an abandoned seed colony.
• 29:21
  SPEAKER_22: And that whoever the powers that be who are watching and sitting and watching, the watchers who are watching us right now and observing, waiting for us to grow up, I personally believe that they sent us a message during the nuclear age.
• 29:40
  SPEAKER_22: During the nuclear age, I believe that they sent us a message.
• 29:43
  SPEAKER_22: The message was we're not gonna allow you to destroy this planet.
• 29:48
  SPEAKER_22: We're not going to allow you to pop a nuke.
• 29:53
  SPEAKER_22: Once the testing began, and America did 1,083 nuclear tests on Earth.
• 30:02
  SPEAKER_22: I don't know if you knew that.
• 30:03
  SPEAKER_22: Let me say that again.
• 30:06
  SPEAKER_22: America did 1,083 nuclear tests on Earth.
• 30:12
  SPEAKER_22: America.
• 30:13
  SPEAKER_22: The United States of America.
• 30:16
  SPEAKER_22: The United States of America went down to the South Pacific, to the Atoll Islands, and took indigenous tribes off their island and moved them to another location so they can blow nukes up off the shoreline and watch and see what would happen.
• 30:35
  SPEAKER_22: America did that.
• 30:39
  SPEAKER_22: Of course, you know, we already dropped two bombs on people, on civilizations here on earth.
• 30:49
  SPEAKER_22: I'm just saying.
• 30:52
  SPEAKER_22: Sometimes we're attacking countries and blaming them for doing things that we ourselves done, and those countries ain't did nothing yet.
• 30:59
  SPEAKER_22: They're watching us.
• 31:02
  SPEAKER_22: The Anunnaki, we known as the Watchers, are watching us.
• 31:09
  SPEAKER_22: And they're waiting to see what's gonna happen next.
• 31:12
  SPEAKER_22: Are we gonna grow up?
• 31:14
  SPEAKER_22: Are we going to grow the hell up?
• 31:18
  SPEAKER_22: They sent us a powerful message in the beginning of the turn of the millennium in 2001.
• 31:28
  SPEAKER_22: And it's like we swept it under the rug.
• 31:33
  SPEAKER_22: And here we now are now, twenty-five years later.
• 31:39
  SPEAKER_22: And we're still flaunting nuclear arsenals and making statements like we're going to destroy civilizations utilizing those same nuclear arsenals.
• 31:55
  SPEAKER_22: Something's gotta give.
• 32:05
  SPEAKER_22: We have to advance beyond being slightly and barely above animals.
• 32:14
  SPEAKER_22: Matter of fact, animals I believe in most cases are actually higher than us.
• 32:20
  SPEAKER_22: I mean dolphins, killer whales, whales, orcas, they're ten thousand elephants, they're ten thousand times smarter than us.
• 32:33
  SPEAKER_22: We just need to be lucky that they don't have these fingers and hands to manipulate the environment.
• 32:41
  SPEAKER_22: This is the only thing that stops them from probably deposing us and putting us in our place.
• 32:50
  SPEAKER_22: If it wasn't for the fact that they had fins and hooves, they would take over this planet and treat it right.
• 33:00
  SPEAKER_22: And that's an absolute fact.
• 33:05
  SPEAKER_22: So let me go into this disclosure footage.
• 33:09
  SPEAKER_22: Now, this is going to be an event that was hosted by Dr.
• 33:13
  SPEAKER_22: Steven Greer twenty five years ago.
• 33:19
  SPEAKER_22: He put together an unbelievable team of whistleblowers, high-ranking whistleblowers, at the press club in Washington, D.C., which I've been at two years ago.
• 33:34
  SPEAKER_22: I was there in person at a live press club, live on TV.
• 33:39
  SPEAKER_22: I got to ask to stand up and ask a question as a journalist.
• 33:44
  SPEAKER_22: And this aired on TV in the middle of the day.
• 33:50
  SPEAKER_22: And everyone forgot about it.
• 33:53
  SPEAKER_22: If you've seen this, it's time to rewatch.
• 33:56
  SPEAKER_22: If you haven't seen it, let's pay close attention because this is revolutionary information.
• 34:05
  SPEAKER_22: This is more powerful.
• 34:06
  SPEAKER_22: What I'm about to show you right now is 10,000 times more powerful than these crappy foggy clips that they gave us to watch today, talking about we're gonna release the alien files.
• 34:20
  SPEAKER_22: What I'm about to show you now is 10,000 times better.
• 34:30
  SPEAKER_24: Years ago, the great screen actor Jimmy Cagney was working with a young actress that was about to be fired.
• 34:39
  SPEAKER_24: He went to the director and said, Let me talk to her.
• 34:41
  SPEAKER_24: And he walked over to the actress and he said, Look, it's simple.
• 34:46
  SPEAKER_24: You walk in the room, you plant your feet, look me in the eye, and tell the truth.
• 34:56
  SPEAKER_24: The logo of the ex-files is the truth is out there.
• 35:00
  SPEAKER_24: The truth is out there.
• 35:03
  SPEAKER_24: I'm going to paraphrase.
• 35:05
  SPEAKER_24: The truth is in here.
• 35:10
  SPEAKER_20: You're about to hear the truth.
• 35:13
  SPEAKER_20: The reason we are coming forward now is that we are asking for the U.S.
• 35:18
  SPEAKER_20: Congress and for President Bush to move towards an official inquiry and disclosure on this subject.
• 35:26
  SPEAKER_20: It has the most profound implications for the human future, for the U.S.
• 35:31
  SPEAKER_20: national security, and for world peace.
• 35:35
  SPEAKER_20: Specifically, technologies connected to UFO and extraterrestrial vehicles, if declassified and used for peaceful energy, generation and propulsion, would solve the looming energy crisis definitively, would end global warming, would correct the environmental challenges that the Earth is facing.
• 35:59
  SPEAKER_20: It is also critical that we begin to debate as a society the propriety of placing weapons in space.
• 36:10
  SPEAKER_20: If indeed, as we can prove, it is true that we are not alone and that space is territory which we are sharing with other civilizations, it could be a very imprudent, destabilizing thing to place weapons in space.
• 36:28
  SPEAKER_20: This is not being debated because it is off the national and international radar screens.
• 36:33
  SPEAKER_20: It needs to be placed on it, and we are here today to do it.
• 36:37
  SPEAKER_20: We can establish through this testimony that these objects of extraterrestrial origin have been tracked on radar going thousands of miles per hour, stopping and making right-hand turns, that they use anti-gravity propulsion systems, which we have already figured out how they work in classified projects in the United States, Great Britain, and elsewhere.
• 36:59
  SPEAKER_20: That these objects have landed on terra firma at times, have been disabled and have been retrieved, specifically by teams within the United States, that extraterrestrial life forms have been retrieved and their vehicles have been taken and studied thoroughly for at least 50 years.
• 37:19
  SPEAKER_20: We can prove through the testimony and documents that we will be presenting that this subject has been hidden from members of Congress and at least two administrations that we are aware of, presidential administrations, and that the Constitution of the United States has been subverted by the growing power of these classified projects, and that this is a danger to the national security.
• 37:49
  SPEAKER_20: There is no evidence, I wish to emphasize, that these life forms from elsewhere are hostile towards us.
• 37:56
  SPEAKER_20: But there is a great deal of evidence that they are concerned with our hostility.
• 38:01
  SPEAKER_20: There are times when they have neutralized or rendered inert the launch capabilities of intercontinental ballistic missiles.
• 38:08
  SPEAKER_20: Witnesses here today will describe those events to you.
• 38:13
  SPEAKER_20: They have shown clearly that they do not want us to weaponize space, and yet we are proceeding down that dangerous path.
• 38:22
  SPEAKER_20: And it will be established that these projects, because they have not been supervised properly by the Congress, by the U.S.
• 38:32
  SPEAKER_20: President, by the international community, have become a threat to the national security.
• 38:38
  SPEAKER_20: And for this reason, we feel we must disclose the facts.
• 38:45
  SPEAKER_20: This is the beginning of the campaign for disclosure.
• 38:49
  SPEAKER_20: And in a memo that I wrote to President Bush last week, I've stated that this campaign will persist until our goals are met, and they are as follows: that we have open, honest hearings on the subject in the U.S.
• 39:05
  SPEAKER_20: Congress, that there be a permanent ban on the weaponization of space or the targeting of any objects of extraterrestrial origin, that there be a full and complete study of classified technologies connected to this subject to see how they could be properly declassified and applied for peaceful energy generation so that the world may get off of fossil fuels in enough time to prevent greater ecosystem damage or war over the looming energy crisis, which is sure to sweep the earth in the coming decade.
• 39:48
  SPEAKER_20: This is a matter of the most pressing import.
• 39:51
  SPEAKER_20: It has been ridiculed, yes.
• 39:53
  SPEAKER_20: I know many in the media would like to talk about little green men.
• 39:58
  SPEAKER_20: But in reality, the subject is laughed at because it is so serious.
• 40:02
  SPEAKER_20: I have had grown men weep who are in the Pentagon, who are members of Congress, and who have said to me, What are we going to do?
• 40:15
  SPEAKER_20: Here's what we will do.
• 40:18
  SPEAKER_20: We will see that this matter is properly disclosed.
• 40:22
  SPEAKER_20: And these courageous witnesses, the first 21 of over 100 that we have already interviewed on videotape, have stepped forward to speak the truth.
• 40:35
  SPEAKER_20: Now, I expect people to be skeptical, but not irrationally so, because these men and women have come forward and they have their credentials, they can establish who they are, and they have been first-hand witnesses to some of the most important events in the history of the human race.
• 40:55
  SPEAKER_20: As was pointed out to me by some of the men here, they were charged with handling the nuclear weapons of the United States.
• 41:03
  SPEAKER_20: Their word was trusted on everything of great importance for the national security.
• 41:08
  SPEAKER_20: We must trust their word now.
• 41:10
  SPEAKER_20: As Monsignor Balducci said at the Vatican in an interview I had with him recently, it is irrational not to accept the testimony of these witnesses.
• 41:22
  SPEAKER_20: So please be skeptical that that is not the same as prejudiced and closed-minded.
• 41:27
  SPEAKER_20: This is a matter of great importance, and I ask the media, the scientific community, and the political community to look seriously at this matter and to do the right thing for humanity and for our children.
• 41:41
  SPEAKER_20: We have available for the media and for members of Congress a nearly 500-page briefing document with transcripts from dozens of these top secret witnesses.
• 41:54
  SPEAKER_20: We have a four-hour videotape summary, it's not a commercial product, I warn you, from this project of the 120 hours that we have in interview so far.
• 42:07
  SPEAKER_20: They've been boiled down to four hours, and it's available for the Congress to review and for the major media to review.
• 42:14
  SPEAKER_20: We can establish that this subject is real and has tremendous significance for the human future.
• 42:21
  SPEAKER_20: I ask on all of you who are listening to contact the members of Congress that represent you and the leaders around the world and other countries and ask them to hold an honest inquiry into this subject, to support a ban on weaponizing space, since we are sharing space with other life forms, and that we move quickly as a people to understand that this is the end of the childhood of the human race.
• 42:52
  SPEAKER_20: It is time for us to become mature adults in the cosmic civilizations out there.
• 43:00
  SPEAKER_20: To do this, we must become a peaceful civilization, and we must look as we go into space with an intent of cooperating with other civilizations, not weaponizing that high frontier.
• 43:24
  SPEAKER_20: They will introduce themselves.
• 43:25
  SPEAKER_20: I ask for the media to refrain from questions until each witness has spoken briefly about who they are and what they have personally been involved with or witnessed in their government, military, or government connected careers.
• 43:44
  SPEAKER_20: At the end, we will have questions.
• 43:47
  SPEAKER_20: All of you may ask questions for as long as we can stay here, and we will provide you with all the information that you need.
• 43:54
  SPEAKER_20: So we will begin now with the first of our witnesses, Mr.
• 43:59
  SPEAKER_20: John Callahan.
• 44:15
  SPEAKER_14: My name is John Callahan.
• 44:17
  SPEAKER_14: I'm a retired FAA employee.
• 44:19
  SPEAKER_14: I was the division manager for the Accidents Evaluation and Investigation Division in DC.
• 44:25
  SPEAKER_14: About two years before I retired, I received a call from Alaska region where the um region wanted to know what to tell the media.
• 44:33
  SPEAKER_14: My question tell the media what pieces about the UFO and it went downhill from there.
• 44:39
  SPEAKER_14: What UFO.
• 44:41
  SPEAKER_14: It turned out I told him what any government employee would do at that time was to tell them it's under investigation.
• 44:48
  SPEAKER_14: And then I had them send all that data to the FAA's tech center in uh Atlantic City.
• 44:53
  SPEAKER_14: The next day, my uh immediate boss service director, Javi Safir, and I went to Atlantic City.
• 45:00
  SPEAKER_14: I just purchased a uh a new video camera and I videoed the uh the event.
• 45:07
  SPEAKER_14: And in Lake City, we had him play back on a uh uh on a scope, you would call it a scope, a plan view display, PVD, exactly what the pilot uh uh seen or what the controller seen, and we uh tied that in with the voice uh tape so we could hear exactly what the controller said and what he heard, and we taped it.
• 45:25
  SPEAKER_14: We came back the next day, uh briefed the administrator, Admiral Ingen, on what happened.
• 45:31
  SPEAKER_14: He wanted a five-minute briefing.
• 45:32
  SPEAKER_14: After we started the briefing, he wanted to know if he could see the video.
• 45:35
  SPEAKER_14: We put the video on, he watched the video, the whole video.
• 45:38
  SPEAKER_14: The next day uh he set up a uh a meeting for me to give a dog and pony show to President Reagan's scientific staff and whoever they brought over, and to hand off all that data to them.
• 45:51
  SPEAKER_14: That uh morning in the FAA roundroom, it was either nine or ten o'clock, uh, three men from uh Reagan's scientific staff, three CIA people, three FBI people, and I don't remember who the other guys were, along with all the FAA experts that I brought with me that could decide or talk about the hardware and software, how it worked.
• 46:14
  SPEAKER_14: We put on a dog and pony show.
• 46:16
  SPEAKER_14: We let them watch the video, we had all the data there, we had all the printouts that the computer put out.
• 46:22
  SPEAKER_14: They got all excited over it.
• 46:24
  SPEAKER_14: When it was all done, the uh CIA, uh one of the CIA men told the people they were now sworn to secrecy that this meeting never happened and this event never happened.
• 46:34
  SPEAKER_14: When I asked him why, uh, I mean, I thought it was probably just a stealth bomber at the time.
• 46:40
  SPEAKER_14: He says, Well, this is the first time that we have uh recorded radar data on a UFO, and these guys are gonna get all excited, uh drooling over all this data.
• 46:51
  SPEAKER_14: I said, Well, you're gonna tell the public about it.
• 46:53
  SPEAKER_14: And he says, No, we don't tell the public about this, it would uh panic the public.
• 46:57
  SPEAKER_14: He says, We're gonna go back and study this.
• 47:01
  SPEAKER_14: I said, Okay, uh, it was what he was gonna do.
• 47:05
  SPEAKER_14: Now, I've told this story many times, and I've got sometimes funny looks from people.
• 47:10
  SPEAKER_14: I have with me the uh voice tapes of the uh controllers that were involved, the FAA original tapes.
• 47:18
  SPEAKER_14: See, after we handed this stuff off to the president staff, the FAA didn't know what to do with it.
• 47:23
  SPEAKER_14: We don't separate UFOs from real traffic, so it's not our problem.
• 47:27
  SPEAKER_14: Okay.
• 47:29
  SPEAKER_14: I have a copy of the original of the uh video that we took, which is rather interesting.
• 47:36
  SPEAKER_14: And uh once the thing was all over, the report started coming into my office, but because it wasn't an FAA air traffic problem, the FAA's report ended up on a table in my office and stayed there until I retired when one of the staffers packed up all my gear and helped it move to my house.
• 47:57
  SPEAKER_14: Also, in a box I found just a few good days ago in my 1992 tax return, I have the target printouts from the uh computer data, which so if you wanted to retract uh look at every target that was up there at the time, you can now reproduce this from this piece of paper here.
• 48:16
  SPEAKER_14: And it's called the UFO Incident, uh Japan 1648, I believe the number was that happened on November the 18th, 1986.
• 48:26
  SPEAKER_14: Uh I'm prepared to go to Congress to swear before Congress that everything I've told you people and everything that is here is the truth.
• 48:33
  SPEAKER_14: Thank you.
• 48:48
  SPEAKER_04: I hope you'll pardon me.
• 48:49
  SPEAKER_04: I'm a little bit nervous.
• 48:51
  SPEAKER_04: My name is Charles L.
• 48:53
  SPEAKER_04: Brown.
• 48:54
  SPEAKER_04: I'm a lieutenant colonel, U.S.
• 48:56
  SPEAKER_04: Air Force retired, subsequently seven years with the Foreign Service.
• 49:01
  SPEAKER_04: I like the name Charlie Brown, a gentleman by the name of Charles Schultz, of great talent, sort of uh elevated the name, if you will.
• 49:12
  SPEAKER_04: Uh during World War II, I was a young farm boy from West Virginia.
• 49:17
  SPEAKER_04: I got the patriotic bug, joined the United States Army, ended up flying bombers in Europe, and ended the war transport in the Pacific.
• 49:27
  SPEAKER_04: Finished college in the summer, late summer of 49, recalled to active duty in a newly formed United States Air Force.
• 49:35
  SPEAKER_04: I was assigned to an organization called Office of Special Investigations.
• 49:39
  SPEAKER_04: The Air Force, as most of you know, was formed in 1947.
• 49:44
  SPEAKER_04: OSI as a central investigative agency for the Air Force was formed, I think, in 1948.
• 49:51
  SPEAKER_04: So everything was relatively new.
• 49:54
  SPEAKER_04: Needless to say, starting in 1947, UFOs were rather new.
• 49:58
  SPEAKER_04: The Air Force Intelligence or Air Technical Intelligence Center was at Wright-Patterson Air Force Base, and I had my office in a building adjacent to it.
• 50:08
  SPEAKER_04: And our organization was the worldwide investigative agency for the Air Force for any unidentified flying objects.
• 50:16
  SPEAKER_04: This lasted for about two years.
• 50:19
  SPEAKER_04: The project name was known as Project Grudge.
• 50:22
  SPEAKER_04: It was a predecessor to a project known as Blue Book, which Edwelt headed.
• 50:28
  SPEAKER_04: During my experience with it, I would collect the data from a I didn't collect it, it was sent into my office.
• 50:34
  SPEAKER_04: I analyzed it.
• 50:35
  SPEAKER_04: As a pilot investigator, I was able to offer some bits of advice to the Air Technical Intelligence people.
• 50:58
  SPEAKER_04: During the review as an analyst of these various documentary reports, if you will, or documents, I became clearly convinced that there was substance to what was being reported, in that we had ground visual, ground radar, airborne visual, and airborne radar, confirmation of some of these sightings.
• 51:24
  SPEAKER_04: The individuals who made the sightings were everything from airline pilots, military pilots, police officers, some of the people that your lives depend upon on a daily basis.
• 51:37
  SPEAKER_04: These are very reputable and credible people.
• 51:39
  SPEAKER_04: I hope that the testimony here from very credible people will convince you of that and will further Steve Greer's disclosure project in that pressure needs to be brought to bring this to the attention not only of the Americans but of people all over the planet.
• 52:01
  SPEAKER_04: These vehicles have been seen and confirmed all over the planet.
• 52:06
  SPEAKER_04: I am willing to sign a sworn statement or testify to my judgment and to what I have observed.
• 52:15
  SPEAKER_04: Such things do exist.
• 52:17
  SPEAKER_04: Please believe me.
• 52:18
  SPEAKER_04: Please believe those to follow me.
• 52:21
  SPEAKER_04: Thank you.
• 52:30
  SPEAKER_06: My name is Michael Smith.
• 52:32
  SPEAKER_06: I was in the Air Force sergeant from 1967 to 1973.
• 52:40
  SPEAKER_06: I was aircraft control and warning operator while I was assigned to Klamath Falls, Oregon, in early 1970, arrived at the radar site, and they were watching a UFO on a radar that was hovering at about 80,000 feet.
• 52:59
  SPEAKER_06: It sat there for about 10 minutes and then slowly descended until it dropped off the radar, was gone for about five, ten minutes, and then instantly reappeared at 80,000 feet, stationary.
• 53:13
  SPEAKER_06: The next sweep of the radar, it was 200 miles away, stationary.
• 53:19
  SPEAKER_06: It hovered there for about 10 minutes and redid the whole cycle twice more.
• 53:24
  SPEAKER_06: When I found out what the normal, what you normally do when you see a UFO, I was told that you know to find NORAD.
• 53:34
  SPEAKER_06: You don't necessarily write anything down, you don't write anything down, and you keep it to yourself.
• 53:39
  SPEAKER_06: It's a need-to-know basis only.
• 53:43
  SPEAKER_06: And NORAD one night called me about later in the year to let me know as a heads up that there was a UFO coming up the California coastline.
• 53:52
  SPEAKER_06: I asked them what I should do about this.
• 53:53
  SPEAKER_06: They said, nothing, don't write it down.
• 53:56
  SPEAKER_06: It's just a heads up.
• 53:59
  SPEAKER_06: And then late 1972, while stationed at the 753rd Radar Squadron in Sault Ste.
• 54:06
  SPEAKER_06: Marie, Michigan, I received uh a couple panicky calls from police officers who were chasing three UFOs from Mackinac Bridge up I-75.
• 54:20
  SPEAKER_06: So I immediately checked the radar, confirmed that they were there, called NORAD, and they were concerned because they had two inbound V-52s going to Kinslow Air Force Base.
• 54:31
  SPEAKER_06: So they diverted them because they didn't want any proximity of the two.
• 54:37
  SPEAKER_06: And that night I answered many calls from uh the police department, sheriff's department, and stuff.
• 54:42
  SPEAKER_06: And my standard response was that there was nothing on radar.
• 54:47
  SPEAKER_06: And I will testify to this under oath to a congressional hearing.
• 55:01
  SPEAKER_01: Good morning.
• 55:03
  SPEAKER_01: My name is Enrique Kolbeck.
• 55:05
  SPEAKER_01: I am a traffic controller.
• 55:07
  SPEAKER_01: I'm sorry for my English.
• 55:08
  SPEAKER_01: I'm so scared.
• 55:09
  SPEAKER_01: I'm not accustomed to talking in front of a lot of people.
• 55:14
  SPEAKER_01: I'm here because I'm being a witness in an involuntary way on my work.
• 55:22
  SPEAKER_01: I work in Mexico City as radar controller and the International Airport of Mexico.
• 55:29
  SPEAKER_01: And I'm going to give an example about this sinus that we have in Mexico for several uh years, and this issue happens a lot of times in my country, unfortunately.
• 55:45
  SPEAKER_01: For example, in March 4, 1992, we detect 15 objects uh west side of the Toluca Airport that is very close of our international airport at uh 50 miles more or less.
• 56:01
  SPEAKER_01: Then uh uh July 28, 1994, we have an uh um almost a collision or something that we can name in that way, uh, with an international flight, I mean uh domestic flight of Island Mexico 1 to 9, commands by the uh pilot Raimundo Cervantes Ruano that has a trash or something about in his main uh landing year in the right leg.
• 56:32
  SPEAKER_01: Uh that's occurred tonight at uh 1030 more or less.
• 56:39
  SPEAKER_01: Then in the next week, uh the same year, in the same uh moment, uh the Idol Mexico Fly 904 has another almost collision that was reported for the pilot Corso, the Capitan Corso, at 11:30 in the morning, and we detect that object and a radar uh um suddenly uh just for a moment.
• 57:09
  SPEAKER_01: Then uh in the next week we have a lot of sightings reported by the pilots that give us information about the uh weird uh traffic or something uh brighting lights and uh different times, and we detect some of them uh in in that uh week.
• 57:29
  SPEAKER_01: But in September 15, 1994, we have an uh uh detection about uh five hours more or less on a radar and a new equipment that we believe that uh that equipment was uh working in in not a good way because uh uh it's not uh human that you have uh detection by five hours of the same object and apparently without movement.
• 57:57
  SPEAKER_01: Well we concurred with the technical uh persons of radar in our country that the radar system was working well and uh um and was very exciting and we surprised when uh at the next day we received information about uh of a paradise named Jaime Mausan that is uh studied these cases in Mexico, about that uh a sighting a lot from a lot of people in the Metepec city, uh there is another point located southeast of the Toluca Airport, about an uh uh sighting of the big um flying saucer, apparently uh 50 meters of diameter, then uh for a lot of people and uh that let the trash is something in the wood in the ground.
• 58:54
  SPEAKER_01: Well, next in uh November 24 or 1994, uh we have on service officially our new radar system, and after that moment we have uh information very um exactly about of these sightings at the same time with the pilots and detections.
• 59:19
  SPEAKER_01: Uh that's why I'm here because we consider in my country that this is very dangerous.
• 59:25
  SPEAKER_01: We have a lot of more cases, but I don't want to use more time in this.
• 59:29
  SPEAKER_01: But uh uh it's very important that the people uh on the world know these events and uh consider that could be very dangerous for aeronautical situation, especially in my country.
• 59:43
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know why in my country that's occurred frequently.
• 59:47
  SPEAKER_01: But the the point is that happens and uh and we consider dangerous, and we had only uh I fortunately one trash, but uh we don't want to have another more.
• 1:00:00
  SPEAKER_01: Thank you very much, and I'm sorry for me.
• 1:00:09
  SPEAKER_16: My name is Graham Bethune.
• 1:00:11
  SPEAKER_16: I'm a retired Navy commander, pilot, had a top secret clearance fifty years ago, February the 10th, 1951.
• 1:00:21
  SPEAKER_16: I was flying from Kefelvik, Iceland to Argentia, Newfoundland.
• 1:00:26
  SPEAKER_16: It was at night, it was dark, and about 300 miles outside of Argentia, I saw a glow on the water, like approaching a city at night.
• 1:00:36
  SPEAKER_16: As we approached this glow, it turned to a monstrous circle of white lights on the water.
• 1:00:43
  SPEAKER_16: We watched this for a while, the lights went out, there was nothing on the water.
• 1:00:47
  SPEAKER_16: Next thing we saw was a yellow halo, small, much smaller than whatever it was launched from, and that was 15 miles away up to our altitude.
• 1:00:58
  SPEAKER_16: Because of the trajectory, I disengaged the autopod, shoved the nose over to try to go under this thing.
• 1:01:04
  SPEAKER_16: And at that time I heard a noise underneath.
• 1:01:06
  SPEAKER_16: I thought maybe it hit us.
• 1:01:07
  SPEAKER_16: It was actually some of the crew members ducking and they collided, and a couple of them were injured.
• 1:01:12
  SPEAKER_16: Then it appeared over to the right and moved out slowly and flew with us.
• 1:01:18
  SPEAKER_16: It was still not at our altitude, but we could see the shape of it.
• 1:01:22
  SPEAKER_16: It had a dome, we could see the we could see the coronal discharge.
• 1:01:28
  SPEAKER_16: I went back aft, let the other pilot, Al Jones, take my seat to see what the passenger's reaction was.
• 1:01:35
  SPEAKER_16: Came back to the cockpillet, told him not to report anything simply because what that psychiatrist had said to me, maybe they would lock us up.
• 1:01:45
  SPEAKER_16: So basically, the instruments in the cockpit, we had four or five failures in the area of magnetic compass, another electromagnetic effect, an area of directional finders, and this type of thing.
• 1:01:57
  SPEAKER_16: The craft was tracked by radar in excess of 1,800 miles an hour.
• 1:02:01
  SPEAKER_16: It never did get to our altitude.
• 1:02:03
  SPEAKER_16: We had 31 passengers, plus the psychiatrist and the crew members that all sighted this at different areas.
• 1:02:10
  SPEAKER_16: When we landed at Argentina Newfoundland, we were interrogated by the Air Force, an excellent interrogation, Captain Paulson.
• 1:02:17
  SPEAKER_16: When we landed at the Naval Air Test Center here at Patuxet River, we were required by Navy Intelligence to make out individual reports.
• 1:02:26
  SPEAKER_16: Out of the National Archives, I have the 18-page official Navy and Air Force report.
• 1:02:34
  SPEAKER_16: I've made up a report to straighten out all the truth.
• 1:02:39
  SPEAKER_16: There's a stack of books out there this high that have written all of this up.
• 1:02:42
  SPEAKER_16: So the truth is here.
• 1:02:44
  SPEAKER_16: I will testify under oath before Congress that everything that I have said is true.
• 1:03:00
  SPEAKER_05: My name is Dan Willis.
• 1:03:02
  SPEAKER_05: I was in the United States Navy.
• 1:03:04
  SPEAKER_05: I held a top secret crypto level 14 extra-sensitive material handling security clearance.
• 1:03:11
  SPEAKER_05: I worked in the code room at the Naval Communications Station in San Francisco.
• 1:03:17
  SPEAKER_05: In 1969, I received a priority message from a ship near Alaska that was classified as secret.
• 1:03:26
  SPEAKER_05: The ship reported uh merging out of the ocean near Port Bow, a brightly glowing uh reddish-orange elliptical object, approximately 70 feet in diameter, emerged out of the water, shot into space, uh, traveling at about 7,000 miles per hour.
• 1:03:50
  SPEAKER_05: This was uh tracked on ship's radar and substantiated.
• 1:03:56
  SPEAKER_05: Uh years later, I worked at the Naval Electronic Engineering Center in San Diego for 13 years.
• 1:04:04
  SPEAKER_05: The um co-worker who I worked with worked at the NORAD facility.
• 1:04:10
  SPEAKER_05: When he first started working at the facility, he noticed objects going on the screens to track everything out in space and in the air.
• 1:04:18
  SPEAKER_05: Objects going off the scale, doing right angle turns when he inquired.
• 1:04:24
  SPEAKER_05: Um his older supervisor advised him that uh, quote, it was just a visit from one of our little friends.
• 1:04:31
  SPEAKER_05: I thought this was a little unusual.
• 1:04:33
  SPEAKER_05: Uh these statements are true.
• 1:04:35
  SPEAKER_05: I'm willing to testify under oath before Congress.
• 1:04:38
  SPEAKER_05: Thank you.
• 1:04:50
  SPEAKER_07: My name is Don Phillips.
• 1:04:52
  SPEAKER_07: I was in the United States Air Force and had worked with certain intelligence agencies of the United States government.
• 1:04:59
  SPEAKER_07: Prior to my Air Force, uh prior to joining the Air Force, I worked for the famous Lockheed Skunk Works.
• 1:05:10
  SPEAKER_07: And I was working for them when I was attending college, and I worked them in I worked for them in the capacity as a design engineer.
• 1:05:21
  SPEAKER_07: It was one of my proudest moments of my life to work with a man by the name of Kelly Johnson.
• 1:05:27
  SPEAKER_07: A lot of you might be familiar with that.
• 1:05:29
  SPEAKER_07: Uh it turns out that the models of aircraft that we were building, as you know, uh, were all classified, were in the deep black.
• 1:05:40
  SPEAKER_07: And that I came in on the end of the U-2 project.
• 1:05:44
  SPEAKER_07: My main project was known later as the SR-71.
• 1:05:50
  SPEAKER_07: The SR-71 had a predecessor.
• 1:05:52
  SPEAKER_07: It had a special model built for the CIA, and that those models were one passenger, one pilot special aircraft in order to get from one place to another very, very quickly.
• 1:06:11
  SPEAKER_07: Now, these SR-71s, as we know them, the Blackbird, are the type of aircraft that are still classified in a sense as far as the altitude that it flies at and also the speed records that it holds.
• 1:06:24
  SPEAKER_07: I'm very proud to say that this aircraft played a big part in helping to end the Cold War.
• 1:06:31
  SPEAKER_07: The aircraft, the predecessor aircraft, there's strong evidence to suggest that perhaps these aircraft had a different role once in the air.
• 1:06:43
  SPEAKER_07: Each pilot, and I know a few of them, each pilot had an assignment before they took off.
• 1:06:50
  SPEAKER_07: Okay.
• 1:06:51
  SPEAKER_07: They learned about the assignment immediately prior to takeoff, and there's strong evidence to suggest.
• 1:07:00
  SPEAKER_07: That there was a dual role in that they were monitoring some type of traffic to and from planet Earth.
• 1:07:08
  SPEAKER_07: This can be verified at a later point.
• 1:07:11
  SPEAKER_07: This was pro I'll jump into my military experience.
• 1:07:15
  SPEAKER_07: My first field assignment for the United States Air Force was at Las Vegas Air Force Station.
• 1:07:22
  SPEAKER_07: And that was my first experience with Las Vegas, and I couldn't understand why people were being so excited about going to a place such as this, but I soon found out about a year later.
• 1:07:32
  SPEAKER_07: Nellis Air Force Base is located there.
• 1:07:35
  SPEAKER_07: Nellis is a major training center for different types of special aircraft and fighter aircraft, one of the premier training sites for pilots all around the world.
• 1:07:45
  SPEAKER_07: However, when I learned that my assignment was at a radar site 50 miles out of town, up near Mount Charleston, I had no idea where we where I'd be.
• 1:07:58
  SPEAKER_07: So finally in the daylight, I was able to find the location and reported in in 1965 for duty.
• 1:08:06
  SPEAKER_07: In 1966, early in the morning, about 1 to 2 a.m., I was sleeping, I was staying there on base, and our barracks were at about 8,000 feet.
• 1:08:22
  SPEAKER_07: I heard a lot of commotion.
• 1:08:23
  SPEAKER_07: You know, at that altitude, sound carries.
• 1:08:26
  SPEAKER_07: Sound carries tremendously.
• 1:08:28
  SPEAKER_07: And I thought, well, it's early in the morning, it's summertime, and there is a lot, it's very warm, and maybe I should get up and take a look.
• 1:08:38
  SPEAKER_07: I didn't really want to, but I got up and took a look, walked up to the main road up near my office, which was the commander's office.
• 1:08:45
  SPEAKER_07: I was on the commander's staff, Lieutenant Colonel Charles Evans.
• 1:08:51
  SPEAKER_07: And I couldn't, I I was saying, who's making all this noise?
• 1:08:55
  SPEAKER_07: Who's making all this noise at this time of the morning?
• 1:09:00
  SPEAKER_07: So when I got within about 50 yards of the five, four, five people that were standing there, one being the chief of security, they were looking up in the air, and I says, gee, they all their heads are all head uh looking at the same direction.
• 1:09:14
  SPEAKER_07: Well, I looked up to the west, northwest, and to my amazement, there were lights flashing around the sky, moving at anywhere from what seemed like 24,000 to about 3,800 miles per hour.
• 1:09:32
  SPEAKER_07: Now, the fact that we're taking an estimate from a distance, uh, you know, we figured, well, this is this is quite something.
• 1:09:41
  SPEAKER_07: However, we continue to watch these fly these darting lights go across the sky and stop, absolutely stop, come to a dead stop and reverse in an acute angle their direction, and then proceed on in sort of they were traveling so fast that you could almost see a pattern left by, if you are computer people, when you move a mouse real quick across the screen, you see a little bit of a tail.
• 1:10:09
  SPEAKER_07: Well, that's exactly the way these six or seven craft worked.
• 1:10:12
  SPEAKER_07: After five minutes of watching these things, they all seemed to group up to the west-northwest.
• 1:10:19
  SPEAKER_07: Okay?
• 1:10:20
  SPEAKER_07: They started to come in on a circle.
• 1:10:23
  SPEAKER_07: But what I would like to point out is that where they were putting on their display in the north-northwest sky, just directly east of that, is what is known as Area 51.
• 1:10:35
  SPEAKER_07: Area 51 is a AEC name, okay?
• 1:10:39
  SPEAKER_07: Atomic Energy Commission.
• 1:10:40
  SPEAKER_07: That was the old name for Atomic Energy Commission.
• 1:10:43
  SPEAKER_07: We knew it as the Groom Lake Flight Test Facility in the Air Force.
• 1:10:50
  SPEAKER_07: And it was where we tested our aircraft after we got the prototype made from the skunk works.
• 1:10:57
  SPEAKER_07: So here are these, let's get back to the circle in the sky.
• 1:11:01
  SPEAKER_07: What they did was coalesce and started rotating in a circle, and then they disappeared.
• 1:11:06
  SPEAKER_07: Well, I thought, gee, this is something that we have to keep quiet, and that was verified by the chief of security.
• 1:11:12
  SPEAKER_07: But we waited there and talked it over for a little bit, and it seemed like I think it was an hour, then came the radar people from the scopes, which were at 10,000 plus feet, came down for their dinner at 2 o'clock in the morning.
• 1:11:24
  SPEAKER_07: And the first person off the bus was a good friend of mine, Anthony Caesar.
• 1:11:29
  SPEAKER_07: He said, he was white as a sheet, and he says, Did you see that?
• 1:11:33
  SPEAKER_07: Yeah, we all said, Yeah, yeah, it was a nice display.
• 1:11:35
  SPEAKER_07: What a show.
• 1:11:36
  SPEAKER_07: He says, we documented them on radar.
• 1:11:39
  SPEAKER_07: And he says, we didn't give them clearance, we just the standing order was let them fly through the radar beam.
• 1:11:45
  SPEAKER_07: He says, we documented six to seven UFOs.
• 1:11:50
  SPEAKER_07: Now we don't know who was guiding those, but they were certainly intelligent, and uh we don't know where they landed because they coalesced and disappeared.
• 1:11:58
  SPEAKER_07: So I will say at this point, to keep it short, that I will testify under oath as to what I say is true, and I will do so before Congress.
• 1:12:10
  SPEAKER_07: Thank you.
• 1:12:21
  SPEAKER_13: My name is Robert Solace.
• 1:12:23
  SPEAKER_13: Uh, contrary to what it says on the card, I was not a lieutenant colonel in the Air Force.
• 1:12:27
  SPEAKER_13: I was in the Air Force active duty after I graduated from the Air Force Academy in 1964 until 1971 and separated as a captain.
• 1:12:37
  SPEAKER_13: In uh March of 1967, I was stationed at Malmstrom Air Force Base, Montana as a missile launch officer, Minuteman Missiles, uh, on an on an early morning of uh March 16th, 1967.
• 1:12:57
  SPEAKER_13: I got a call from my security guard, primary security guard upstairs.
• 1:13:01
  SPEAKER_13: Uh we had about uh six, as I recall, uh flight security uh airmen upstairs.
• 1:13:10
  SPEAKER_13: I was downstairs 60 feet underground in a capsule uh monitoring and uh controlling ten uh nuclear-tipped Minuteman missiles.
• 1:13:22
  SPEAKER_13: Uh I got a call that morning uh that they were seeing strange lights flying in the sky.
• 1:13:29
  SPEAKER_13: Uh I I disregarded that call, uh, told them to uh call me when something more significant happened.
• 1:13:37
  SPEAKER_13: Um I got another call uh subsequent to that call, and this time it was a more uh intense tone, and the in the guard's uh voice is very clearly very frightened.
• 1:13:48
  SPEAKER_13: Um he said there was a uh a bright glowing red object hovering outside the front gate.
• 1:13:57
  SPEAKER_13: It was oval-shaped.
• 1:13:59
  SPEAKER_13: Um he had all the other guards out there with their weapons drawn.
• 1:14:02
  SPEAKER_13: Right after that call, I woke up my commander who was on a rest period, uh uh Fred Meywalt, a retired colonel now, uh, and uh told him about the phone calls.
• 1:14:15
  SPEAKER_13: As I was telling him about the phone calls, my weapons started going down uh one after the other.
• 1:14:22
  SPEAKER_13: They went into a no-go condition, what we call no-go condition.
• 1:14:25
  SPEAKER_13: They were unlaunchable.
• 1:14:27
  SPEAKER_13: Um we lost uh somewhere between uh six and eight weapons that morning uh within minutes of having received that second phone call of uh the UFO hovering outside the front gate.
• 1:14:41
  SPEAKER_13: Um again that morning we were after reporting it to the uh command post.
• 1:14:49
  SPEAKER_13: Uh we were we were informed that a similar, very similar incident happened at Echo Flight.
• 1:14:55
  SPEAKER_13: Uh I was at Oscar Flight.
• 1:14:58
  SPEAKER_13: Uh they lost all 10 of their weapons and under similar circumstances, very similar circumstances, where UFOs were sighted over the launch facilities.
• 1:15:08
  SPEAKER_13: Uh they had they had maintenance crews and security crews out there that had spent the night and they were reporting UFOs over those sites.
• 1:15:17
  SPEAKER_13: Um and the commander of of that flight was uh Eric Carlson.
• 1:15:24
  SPEAKER_13: Uh he's he uh also separated as a captain, and the deputy commander was uh Walt uh Fiegel, uh retired as a lieutenant colonel.
• 1:15:37
  SPEAKER_13: Um we have those witnesses uh that I just mentioned, the the names I just mentioned, are uh have have spoken of this event before, and they will back up this story.
• 1:15:49
  SPEAKER_13: Um we also have documentation uh that I received uh through FOA request from the Air Force uh outlining the Echo flight incident and including in that documentation a reference to UFOs.
• 1:16:07
  SPEAKER_13: We have uh telexes uh covering this incident.
• 1:16:13
  SPEAKER_13: Uh and in one telex it it says uh the fact that no apparent reason for the loss of 10 missiles can be readily identified is cause for grave concern to this headquarters.
• 1:16:26
  SPEAKER_13: Uh this was from SAC headquarters.
• 1:16:29
  SPEAKER_13: So we've received, we've got those telexes.
• 1:16:32
  SPEAKER_13: I've got about 12 witnesses that'll verify parts of this story, including uh uh of a man who investigated the incident afterwards for the Air Force, and you'll hear a little bit more about that with the from the next witness.
• 1:16:51
  SPEAKER_13: Um and also uh another guard that uh witnessed a UFO in that same time period, and another officer, a retired full colonel, who had other reports of UFOs.
• 1:17:10
  SPEAKER_13: And silly to that, excuse me, I've got the complete report on a Minot North Dakota incident that was Minot Air Force Base North Dakota, which happened in August of 1966.
• 1:17:21
  SPEAKER_13: Very similar.
• 1:17:22
  SPEAKER_13: UFOs cited over uh uh missile silos, and also a UFO incident that was that was investigated by the Air Force immediately after our incident within a week.
• 1:17:33
  SPEAKER_13: I'm willing to testify to the truth of all these matters that I've spoken about this in front of Congress under oath.
• 1:17:39
  SPEAKER_13: Thank you.
• 1:17:51
  SPEAKER_12: Good morning.
• 1:17:51
  SPEAKER_12: My name is DeWayne Armiston.
• 1:17:53
  SPEAKER_12: I served 26 years as a communicational electronics officer in the U.S.
• 1:17:58
  SPEAKER_12: Air Force all over the world, including Vietnam.
• 1:18:02
  SPEAKER_12: I uh was lucky to be selected to be commander of three different units in the Air Force.
• 1:18:08
  SPEAKER_12: I held the top secret SCI TK clearance, and for those who don't know, it is slightly above top secret.
• 1:18:15
  SPEAKER_12: I retired in 1986 as a colonel at Wright-Patterson Air Force Base in Ohio.
• 1:18:21
  SPEAKER_12: I would like to relate about three different uh experiences, if you will, that relate to UFOs.
• 1:18:27
  SPEAKER_12: As a young lieutenant over in Germany, Ramstein Air Base Germany back in the early 60s, I was in charge of the cryptographic center.
• 1:18:35
  SPEAKER_12: I had a top seeker crypto clearance at that time, and I can clearly recall seeing a message that went through my crypto center, which said that a UFO had crashed on the island of Spitzberg in Norway, and the team of scientists were coming to investigate it.
• 1:18:52
  SPEAKER_12: Going forward to the 1967 timeframe, I was assigned to the 28th Air Division at Great Falls, Montana, and I was the officer in charge of the communications center there.
• 1:19:04
  SPEAKER_12: Also, I was a top secret control officer for the division.
• 1:19:08
  SPEAKER_12: I uh had a crypto account, I was an account custodian, and I also passed out nuclear launch authenticators.
• 1:19:16
  SPEAKER_12: During that time, I can recall seeing a message come through that communications center which said, basically, what Bob was just got through talking about is that a UFO was seen near the missile saddles and the missiles were deactivated.
• 1:19:30
  SPEAKER_12: Coincidentally, my first, the person that Boeing sent to investigate the particular missile conditions, if you will, what made them shut down, was my first manager at Boeing, Mr.
• 1:19:44
  SPEAKER_12: Bob Kaminsky, who has since passed away.
• 1:19:47
  SPEAKER_12: And I can recall him on different occasions.
• 1:19:49
  SPEAKER_12: He lived close to me in Auburn, Washington.
• 1:19:51
  SPEAKER_12: That's where I'm from.
• 1:19:53
  SPEAKER_12: And he said, Arnie, he says, those missiles were perfectly clean.
• 1:19:57
  SPEAKER_12: That was the result.
• 1:19:59
  SPEAKER_12: So then one last incident concerned when I was in the as a commander of the United in uh Great Falls or in Cancel Air Force Station, Maine, I had contacts with the security police at Lauren Air Force Base, and they told about UFOs that were seen near the nuclear weapon storage areas on Lauren Air Force Base.
• 1:20:20
  SPEAKER_12: And I'd be glad to testify to Congress that this is absolutely the truth.
• 1:20:25
  SPEAKER_12: Thank you.
• 1:20:35
  SPEAKER_15: Good morning, my name is Harlan Bentley.
• 1:20:38
  SPEAKER_15: During 1957 and 1959, I was a PFC in the United States Army, stationed north of Washington, D.C., on a Nike Ajax missile base close to only Maryland.
• 1:20:53
  SPEAKER_15: In May this month in 1958, about 6 a.m., I heard a noise outside that sounded like a pulsating transformer.
• 1:21:02
  SPEAKER_15: I sat up in my bunk, I looked out the window, I saw a craft heading for the ground and crashed.
• 1:21:09
  SPEAKER_15: Pieces broke off of that craft, immediately took off again.
• 1:21:14
  SPEAKER_15: So there's a lot more to that story, but I've got to speed this up.
• 1:21:19
  SPEAKER_15: Now, the next night I was on radar duty.
• 1:21:23
  SPEAKER_15: I get a call from the Gaithersburg Missile Base.
• 1:21:27
  SPEAKER_15: He says, Hey, I got 12 or 15 UFOs outside, 50 to 100 feet above me.
• 1:21:33
  SPEAKER_15: So I asked him, I said, What does it sound like?
• 1:21:35
  SPEAKER_15: He took his head mic off, held it out the van window, and said, Here.
• 1:21:40
  SPEAKER_15: And the sound of the same sound I heard the previous morning, except a lot more of them.
• 1:21:48
  SPEAKER_15: So my radar was on standby, so I immediately turned it on and got the blip just outside of the ground clutter.
• 1:21:56
  SPEAKER_15: I marked it on my radar screen.
• 1:21:59
  SPEAKER_15: And then for a few minutes later, all of a sudden they took off.
• 1:22:03
  SPEAKER_15: As they took off, the sweep came around, hit the blip.
• 1:22:08
  SPEAKER_15: The second when it came around, it hit it again.
• 1:22:11
  SPEAKER_15: That blip was two-thirds away off my radar scope.
• 1:22:15
  SPEAKER_15: In order to get that far at a constant velocity, it was 17,000 miles an hour.
• 1:22:21
  SPEAKER_15: That was my first incident.
• 1:22:23
  SPEAKER_15: Ten years later, by this time I received a bachelor's science degree in electrical engineering, and I was working in California.
• 1:22:33
  SPEAKER_15: Now I'm sorry that all I can say is I was somewhere in California working on a classified project that had nothing to do with my experience that I had there.
• 1:22:45
  SPEAKER_15: As I was working, and it was like two or three in the morning, California time, I heard a Houston astronaut communication link, Calm link.
• 1:22:57
  SPEAKER_15: I didn't pay much attention to it until I heard the word bogey.
• 1:23:03
  SPEAKER_15: Of course, my ears picked up immediately.
• 1:23:05
  SPEAKER_15: An unidentified flying object of some sort, whether it's a craft, meteorite, or whatever, was on a collision course with that module going to the loop around the moon.
• 1:23:17
  SPEAKER_15: So basically, I listened for some time and then I stopped and went back to work.
• 1:23:25
  SPEAKER_15: And then I heard, there they go.
• 1:23:29
  SPEAKER_15: In the astronaut world, some of you may not know this, there's a term called green turtle.
• 1:23:37
  SPEAKER_15: And it used to be, I don't know if it is today or not, but used to be is you're not allowed to use profanity over the net.
• 1:23:44
  SPEAKER_15: And the first person that does that, whoever hears it first and says green turtle, that astronaut's got to buy that man and his entire family a dinner at the most expensive place of Cape Canaveral.
• 1:23:57
  SPEAKER_15: Well, to end this real quick, one of them said, Damn, they went off the UFOs took off.
• 1:24:06
  SPEAKER_15: He says, Damn, that was fast.
• 1:24:08
  SPEAKER_15: And somebody yelled, Green Turtle.
• 1:24:12
  SPEAKER_15: And then he said another word, a cinnamon to crap.
• 1:24:16
  SPEAKER_15: And then somebody else yelled, Green Turtle.
• 1:24:19
  SPEAKER_15: And you could see him grit his teeth, as now you had to buy two expensive meals.
• 1:24:26
  SPEAKER_15: And my particular experience, I will testify before Congress if necessary, and explain exactly what happened.
• 1:24:34
  SPEAKER_15: Thank you.
• 1:24:41
  SPEAKER_10: My name is John Maynard.
• 1:24:43
  SPEAKER_10: I'm retired Army.
• 1:24:46
  SPEAKER_10: I retired as a sergeant first class.
• 1:24:49
  SPEAKER_10: For my entire year, 21 years of service, I held a top secret clearance.
• 1:24:55
  SPEAKER_10: Compartmentalized at times to as high as TK, Omni, Crypto, and others.
• 1:25:04
  SPEAKER_10: I had access to very, very sensitive documents.
• 1:25:10
  SPEAKER_10: My testimony is basically two-prone.
• 1:25:13
  SPEAKER_10: One, I retired from DIA in 1980.
• 1:25:18
  SPEAKER_10: When as an administrator, you take over an office, you take over everything, and you sign for everything.
• 1:25:24
  SPEAKER_10: And I signed for well over 2,000 documents.
• 1:25:30
  SPEAKER_10: In order to sign an inventory of those things, you have to read them.
• 1:25:34
  SPEAKER_10: Not word for word.
• 1:25:37
  SPEAKER_10: But basically, I went through every document to make sure that it was complete.
• 1:25:41
  SPEAKER_10: It was there, as they told me.
• 1:25:50
  SPEAKER_10: So I got quite a good knowledge of what was going on in those documents.
• 1:25:53
  SPEAKER_10: And believe me, there are many, many different references to UFOs.
• 1:25:59
  SPEAKER_10: There was also NPIC pictures that shows that it would targeted objects that were casing it out.
• 1:26:06
  SPEAKER_10: Now I worked on the SALT 1 and SALT 2 areas for the office that I worked in.
• 1:26:11
  SPEAKER_10: So we were taking pictures all the time for the verification of nuclear disarmament.
• 1:26:17
  SPEAKER_10: And there were some objects in those pictures that didn't belong there.
• 1:26:23
  SPEAKER_10: The second prong to this whole thing is that a lot of people talk about conspiracies over a shadow government.
• 1:26:33
  SPEAKER_10: I'm willing to testify before Congress that these black operations do exist.
• 1:26:40
  SPEAKER_10: I nearly became part of it.
• 1:26:43
  SPEAKER_10: But I saw the light, I think.
• 1:26:46
  SPEAKER_10: Or was it?
• 1:26:48
  SPEAKER_10: And I got out.
• 1:26:51
  SPEAKER_10: And that's it.
• 1:26:53
  SPEAKER_10: We have to disclose what we know, and I am willing to testify before Congress under oath, or before any other organization, that what I witnessed was true.
• 1:27:13
  SPEAKER_09: Good morning.
• 1:27:14
  SPEAKER_09: My name is Carl Wolf, and I was a precision electronics photographic repairman with a top secret crypto clearance in the United States Air Force.
• 1:27:26
  SPEAKER_09: I was stationed at Langley Air Force Base in Virginia.
• 1:27:30
  SPEAKER_09: In 1965, in mid-1965, I was loaned to the Lunar Orbiter Project at NASA on Langley Field.
• 1:27:41
  SPEAKER_09: Dr.
• 1:27:41
  SPEAKER_09: Collie was in charge of that project.
• 1:27:44
  SPEAKER_09: They had problems with a piece of electronic equipment that was bottlenecking their production of photographs.
• 1:27:52
  SPEAKER_09: I went to the facility, and when I walked into the facility, there were scientists from all over the world.
• 1:27:58
  SPEAKER_09: I was stunned actually to see people at a NASA project from all over the world that didn't make any sense to me initially.
• 1:28:07
  SPEAKER_09: I was taken into the laboratory where the equipment was malfunctioning.
• 1:28:11
  SPEAKER_09: I couldn't repair it in the dark.
• 1:28:13
  SPEAKER_09: I asked to have it removed.
• 1:28:15
  SPEAKER_09: Airman second class was in the dark room at that time.
• 1:28:19
  SPEAKER_09: I was also an airman second class.
• 1:28:23
  SPEAKER_09: I was interested how the whole process functioned, how the data got from the lunar orbiter to the laboratory.
• 1:28:31
  SPEAKER_09: Asked the young man if he'd describe the process to me.
• 1:28:34
  SPEAKER_09: He did.
• 1:28:35
  SPEAKER_09: About 30 minutes into the process, he said to me, in a very distressed way, by the way, we've discovered a base on the back side of the moon.
• 1:28:45
  SPEAKER_09: And then he proceeded to put photographs down in front of me, and clearly in these photographs were structures, mushroom shaped buildings, spherical buildings, and towers.
• 1:28:56
  SPEAKER_09: And at that point I was very concerned because I knew we were working on compartment.
• 1:29:00
  SPEAKER_09: Analyze security.
• 1:29:01
  SPEAKER_09: He had breached security, and I was actually frightened at that moment, and I did not question him any further.
• 1:29:07
  SPEAKER_09: And a few moments later, someone did come into the room.
• 1:29:12
  SPEAKER_09: I worked there for three more days, and I remember going home and naively thinking, I can't wait to hear about this on the evening news.
• 1:29:19
  SPEAKER_09: And here it is, more than 30 years later, and I hope we hear about it tonight.
• 1:29:23
  SPEAKER_09: And I will testify under oath before Congress that what I'm saying is the truth.
• 1:29:34
  SPEAKER_19: Thank you, Carl.
• 1:29:36
  SPEAKER_19: Uh good morning, everyone.
• 1:29:37
  SPEAKER_19: My name is Donna Hare, and I worked at Philco Ford Aerospace for from 1967 to 1981.
• 1:29:47
  SPEAKER_19: During that time, I was a design illustrator, draftsman.
• 1:29:53
  SPEAKER_19: I did the launch slides and landing slides, and also projecting plotting boards, lunar maps for NASA.
• 1:30:01
  SPEAKER_19: We were a contractor, but it most of the time I worked on site, excuse me, in Building Eight.
• 1:30:07
  SPEAKER_19: I had the opportunity to do extra work during downtime, which was between missions, and I walked into a photo lab, which was the NASA lab across the hallway.
• 1:30:19
  SPEAKER_19: I had a secret clearance, which is not that high, but I was able to go into restricted areas, which this was.
• 1:30:27
  SPEAKER_19: At the time I was talking to one of the techs in there, and he drew my attention to a photograph that, a NASA photograph, it had a dot on it.
• 1:30:35
  SPEAKER_19: And I said, What is that?
• 1:30:37
  SPEAKER_19: Well, he drew my attention to it, and he and I said, Is that a dot on the emulsion?
• 1:30:41
  SPEAKER_19: And he said, and he's smiling and he has his hands crossed, and he said, uh, round dots on the emulsion don't leave round shadows on the ground.
• 1:30:49
  SPEAKER_19: And this was an aerial photograph of the earth, I'm assuming the earth because it had pine trees on it, and the shadows of the craft or whatever it was were in the same angle as the trees.
• 1:31:03
  SPEAKER_19: And by its very nature, UFO, and I wanted to clarify that to a gentleman that was talking to me, means unidentified.
• 1:31:09
  SPEAKER_19: So I did not know what this was, but I realized at this point that it's very secret, that it was kept secret because I asked him, what are you going to do with this piece of information?
• 1:31:21
  SPEAKER_19: And he said, we always airbrush these out before we sell them to the public.
• 1:31:25
  SPEAKER_19: So they're piss pesky little creatures uh appearing on this uh photograph they wanted to get rid of.
• 1:31:32
  SPEAKER_19: Uh after that, I decided I would ask questions to other people that work there, and I found that I had to ask them away from the site and not on site.
• 1:31:41
  SPEAKER_19: A guard told me that he was asked to burn some photographs and not to look at them.
• 1:31:47
  SPEAKER_19: And there was a guard, another guard guarding him, who was in green fatigues, watching him burn the photographs, and he said he was too tempted.
• 1:31:56
  SPEAKER_19: He looked at one, and it was a picture of a UFO, and he was very descriptive.
• 1:32:01
  SPEAKER_19: I can go into that later with anyone.
• 1:32:04
  SPEAKER_19: Uh, he immediately was hit in the head and he had a big gash in his forehead.
• 1:32:08
  SPEAKER_19: He was knocked out, and he's terrified, so he would have to be protected.
• 1:32:13
  SPEAKER_19: Uh, another incident, I knew someone in quarantine with the Apollo astronauts.
• 1:32:17
  SPEAKER_19: He told me that the Apollo astronauts saw craft on the moon when we landed, and that is what he told me.
• 1:32:26
  SPEAKER_19: And he also was afraid, he said that the astronauts are told to keep this quiet.
• 1:32:30
  SPEAKER_19: They're not allowed to talk about it.
• 1:32:32
  SPEAKER_19: So I do want to let you know that I worked out there for a number of years, and this I ran into this.
• 1:32:38
  SPEAKER_19: So it's not something everyone knows that works out there for a long time.
• 1:32:41
  SPEAKER_19: My boss didn't know about it.
• 1:32:43
  SPEAKER_19: Uh some people that sat right next to me didn't know about it.
• 1:32:47
  SPEAKER_19: It's it's very strange because I don't know how they can do it, but they can let some people know about it and then others not.
• 1:32:54
  SPEAKER_19: I'm willing to testify before Congress that what I'm saying is true, and uh thank you very much.
• 1:33:01
  SPEAKER_19: Thank you.
• 1:33:09
  SPEAKER_00: Good morning, ladies and gentlemen and members of the press.
• 1:33:12
  SPEAKER_00: I my name is Larry Warren.
• 1:33:14
  SPEAKER_00: Uh twenty years ago in 1980, I was a security specialist assigned to RAF Bentwaters, Woodbridge, NATO uh Air Force facilities in Suffolk, East Anglia.
• 1:33:25
  SPEAKER_00: I had a secret uh security clearance.
• 1:33:28
  SPEAKER_00: I guarded uh our backline nuclear weapons that were stored there at the time, un without the knowledge of the people of Great Britain.
• 1:33:36
  SPEAKER_00: Uh I went through a portion of a three-night UFO event where objects made incursions over our WSA, fired pencil-thin beams of light into them, and adversely affected the ordinance, possibly.
• 1:33:52
  SPEAKER_00: These objects were on the ground on two different nights.
• 1:33:55
  SPEAKER_00: Potentially there was another life form seen.
• 1:33:58
  SPEAKER_00: This is an unpopular truth.
• 1:34:00
  SPEAKER_00: These events were of extreme defense significance to not only Her Majesty's government, but this government as well, and they are still shrouded in secrecy.
• 1:34:10
  SPEAKER_00: Uh they are very complex, they are very vast.
• 1:34:13
  SPEAKER_00: This is more about a human rights issue than just a UFO issue.
• 1:34:17
  SPEAKER_00: Uh twenty years ago, this room would be empty.
• 1:34:19
  SPEAKER_00: I see a turn in history.
• 1:34:21
  SPEAKER_00: This is history in motion, but unfortunately it's history with the security classification.
• 1:34:26
  SPEAKER_00: I would be more than honored to swear under oath that I w experienced what I did, I saw what I saw.
• 1:34:34
  SPEAKER_00: These events produced not only uh after numerous denials by this government, a memo by Lieutenant Colonel Charles Holt, our deputy base commander, which reads like science fiction.
• 1:34:44
  SPEAKER_00: It also produced years later an on-site audio tape he made as these objects uh performed their feats and did what they did and violated airspace.
• 1:34:55
  SPEAKER_00: These events are of extreme defense significance.
• 1:34:57
  SPEAKER_00: I hope my brothers in arms that went through these events will be given immunity at some point and be able to join us here.
• 1:35:03
  SPEAKER_00: It is an honor to share the stage with all of these people.
• 1:35:07
  SPEAKER_00: And uh I think for all of our children, my son Dennis, God bless you, son, um, we can change the world.
• 1:35:14
  SPEAKER_00: You're heroes for being here also, and I will testify in front of Congress if that's too.
• 1:35:19
  SPEAKER_00: God bless.
• 1:35:19
  SPEAKER_00: Thank you.
• 1:35:29
  SPEAKER_02: Hi, my name is uh George Fyler the third.
• 1:35:34
  SPEAKER_02: The reason I'm here is because uh George Fyler the fifth is in the hangar and will be born on Friday.
• 1:35:41
  SPEAKER_02: And uh I'm a retired intelligence officer and flyer with almost 5,000 hours, and uh I didn't believe in UFOs until London Control called us in the winter of 1962 and asked us, would we chase one?
• 1:35:57
  SPEAKER_02: And we said sure.
• 1:35:58
  SPEAKER_02: So we let down from 30,000 feet to a thousand feet where the UFO was hovering, and we went into a steep dive and actually exceeded the uh red line of the aircraft.
• 1:36:10
  SPEAKER_02: So it's kind of dangerous changing UFOs.
• 1:36:13
  SPEAKER_02: In any case, uh, I was able to get the UFO on the aircraft radar at about 40 miles, and we could see a light out in the distance, and as we closed, we kept on picking up this radar return.
• 1:36:25
  SPEAKER_02: The point I'm mentioning is that the radar return was very uh distinct and solid, indicating it was some kind of a metallic object.
• 1:36:35
  SPEAKER_02: We got about a mile from the UFO and it kind of lit up in the sky and went off into space, very similar to what the shuttle looks like when it takes off.
• 1:36:47
  SPEAKER_02: Um later on I was working in intelligence in Vietnam.
• 1:36:52
  SPEAKER_02: I briefed uh General Brown about UFOs when I was in 21st Air Force and Maguire Air Force Base, briefed General Glau about a UFO over Tehran, Iran, in 1976.
• 1:37:07
  SPEAKER_02: The two F-4s from the Iranian Air Force had taken off and tried to intercept the UFO, and when they turned on their fire control systems, they immediately went out, all the electrical systems went out, the planes had to return to base.
• 1:37:23
  SPEAKER_02: This was particularly significant because it was also picked up on satellites.
• 1:37:29
  SPEAKER_02: In 1978, on January 18th, I was going into the base.
• 1:37:36
  SPEAKER_02: Every morning I did the uh briefing to the general staff, and I noticed that uh there were some lights off in the distance at the end of the end runway there.
• 1:37:46
  SPEAKER_02: And when I got into the command post, the uh senior master sergeant in charge said that there'd been UFOs in the pattern all night, they're on radar, the tower had seen them, they got in aircraft reports and so on, and that one had landed or crashed at uh Fort Dix.
• 1:38:08
  SPEAKER_02: Fort Dix and Maguire are right together, and this is kind of like the Roswell of the East.
• 1:38:14
  SPEAKER_02: But in any case, uh an alien had come off the craft and had been shot by a military policeman and apparently was wounded and was heading for Maguire.
• 1:38:26
  SPEAKER_02: So, for whatever reason, the uh aliens liked uh the Air Force better than the Army, perhaps because they're shooting at him.
• 1:38:33
  SPEAKER_02: But in any case, uh our security police went out there and uh found him on the end of the runway dead.
• 1:38:42
  SPEAKER_02: And uh they asked me to brief the general staff of General Tom Sadler and um at the eight o'clock stand-up briefing, and I said, I don't think I want to do this.
• 1:38:53
  SPEAKER_02: You know, the general doesn't have a good sense of humor, and I'm not sure I believe this.
• 1:38:58
  SPEAKER_02: So I did some checking called the 438th Command Post, and everybody had pretty much the same story.
• 1:39:05
  SPEAKER_02: And uh at 8 o'clock that morning, just before I went on, was going to brief this, and I was very worried about it, they said, don't brief it, that it's too hot, so to speak.
• 1:39:15
  SPEAKER_02: That's pretty much my story, and I'm prepared to tell the story in front of Congress, and uh it is the truth.
• 1:39:24
  SPEAKER_02: Now, because of this, I've stayed interested in UFOs, and I'm the Eastern Director of the Mutual UFO network.
• 1:39:34
  SPEAKER_02: And between the uh National Reporting Center and Peter Davenport and the MUFON, we get 100 reports a week on average of people from all over the United States that see these things regularly.
• 1:39:49
  SPEAKER_02: And if you start checking, they're out there and they're low, and people are seeing them all the time.
• 1:39:55
  SPEAKER_02: And these are highly qualified people, all of whom essentially give us the reports by email.
• 1:40:02
  SPEAKER_02: Thank you.
• 1:40:11
  SPEAKER_25: Morning, ladies and gentlemen.
• 1:40:13
  SPEAKER_25: My name's Clifford Stone.
• 1:40:14
  SPEAKER_25: I was a Sergeant First Class, United States Army.
• 1:40:18
  SPEAKER_25: I had a secret clearance with nuclear assurity.
• 1:40:22
  SPEAKER_25: I could get the clearance that I needed to do whatever it was that was necessary for me to do at the time on special operations when I was called in on those.
• 1:40:30
  SPEAKER_25: What I'm referring to here is that I was involved in situations where we actually did recoveries of trash of crashed saucers, for lack of a better term, debris thereof.
• 1:40:40
  SPEAKER_25: There were bodies that were involved with some of these crashes, also somewhere alive.
• 1:40:46
  SPEAKER_25: While we were doing all this, we were telling the American public there was nothing to it, we were telling the world there was nothing to it.
• 1:40:52
  SPEAKER_25: I'd like to go into detail on some of the cases about the nuts and bolts cases right here, but I will be available if you have any questions concerning my involvement in this.
• 1:41:04
  SPEAKER_25: You can talk to Dr.
• 1:41:05
  SPEAKER_25: Greer to arrange for me to get to talk to you.
• 1:41:08
  SPEAKER_25: But the whole situation is we've set back, we've told the American people that there's no such thing as UFOs.
• 1:41:15
  SPEAKER_25: I've been involved where we have recovered these objects, we know them to be of extraterrestrials.
• 1:41:22
  SPEAKER_25: In 1969, I had an event that happened to me while I was stationed at Fort Lee, Virginia.
• 1:41:28
  SPEAKER_25: We went to Indian Town Gap, Pennsylvania.
• 1:41:31
  SPEAKER_25: That would be my first exposure to any time that we would be recovering an unidentified flying object.
• 1:41:37
  SPEAKER_25: When we went there, we already had people that was already in this in the facility.
• 1:41:41
  SPEAKER_25: We were a backup team, which was supposed to be MBC because there was supposed to be some nuclear materials that was on board this craft.
• 1:41:48
  SPEAKER_25: Later on, most people involved would have been were to be told that there was nothing onboarded, it was nothing more than just a crash of one of our aircraft.
• 1:41:56
  SPEAKER_25: I know better because I was one of the people that approached it with a Geiger counter to get surface readings.
• 1:42:02
  SPEAKER_25: I was the first person to go ahead and see that there were bodies on it.
• 1:42:05
  SPEAKER_25: That would be the first of approximately 12 events, UFO crashes, are not events that take place every day.
• 1:42:12
  SPEAKER_25: They're rare.
• 1:42:15
  SPEAKER_25: I know we're not alone in the universe.
• 1:42:17
  SPEAKER_25: I know that the absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.
• 1:42:24
  SPEAKER_25: It's evidence that has been denied to the American people.
• 1:42:32
  SPEAKER_25: I stand before you today and my Almighty God, and I tell you this if Congress calls me in and says, Will you testify in detail what you know?
• 1:42:42
  SPEAKER_25: I stand here today prepared and ready to do just that.
• 1:42:46
  SPEAKER_25: Governments must never lie to the people for no reason.
• 1:42:51
  SPEAKER_25: Thank you.
• 1:42:59
  SPEAKER_08: Good morning.
• 1:43:00
  SPEAKER_08: My name is Mark McCandlish, and for the last 21 years I have worked as a conceptual artist for a variety of defense contractors.
• 1:43:08
  SPEAKER_08: I've been involved in conceptual artwork or the production thereof for uh Rockwell on the X-30 program and also on the uh the high-step program that's spelled HYSTP, means hypersonic test bed program.
• 1:43:23
  SPEAKER_08: Uh during the course of my career I've twice had a secret cure security clearance.
• 1:43:28
  SPEAKER_08: In 1967, while my father was stationed in Westover Air Force Base, the headquarters for Eighth Air Force Strategic Air Command, I witnessed and watched through a telescope a UFO which hovered over a nuclear weapons storage facility for approximately 10 minutes and then departed with an acceleration approaching a bullet leaving a rifle barrel.
• 1:43:51
  SPEAKER_08: Oh, I'm sorry.
• 1:43:53
  SPEAKER_08: Uh in uh in 1988, in November, a college buddy of mine and associate by the name of Brad Sorensen informed me that he had personally witnessed three flying saucers at a very large hangar at Norton Air Force Base during the course of an air show that was held on Saturday, November 12, 1988.
• 1:44:15
  SPEAKER_08: I subsequently uh called my congressman from that district.
• 1:44:21
  SPEAKER_08: I called his office, this was Congressman George E.
• 1:44:23
  SPEAKER_08: Brown Jr., who at the time was the chairman of the Congressional Committee on Space Science and Advanced Technology.
• 1:44:31
  SPEAKER_08: I naturally assumed that since this presentation that Brad talked about was for top military brass and certain congressional uh individuals, that uh his office must have coordinated this uh with the local Air Force Office of Public Affairs.
• 1:44:47
  SPEAKER_08: Uh a male staff member in Congressman Brown's office not only confirmed the exhibit, but the fact that there were three disks at that exhibit.
• 1:44:56
  SPEAKER_08: These disks were hovering off the floor without any visible means of support.
• 1:45:00
  SPEAKER_08: They were referred to as alien reproduction vehicles, also nicknamed the flux liner because they used high voltage electricity.
• 1:45:10
  SPEAKER_08: Um let's see, to keep things short, this this is a diagram that I uh made based on a uh a sketch that Brad Sorensen did for me in rough form uh uh shortly after he uh had his uh sighting, and uh subsequently cleaned that drawing up and made it much more accurate.
• 1:45:33
  SPEAKER_08: And that's the uh the drawing that Dr.
• 1:45:35
  SPEAKER_08: Greer is holding there now.
• 1:45:38
  SPEAKER_08: Uh later on I obtained uh photographs that were uh taken in 1967 by a military pilot, Harvey Williams, flying a C-47 for the Air Force at 12,000 feet, approximately 25 miles southwest of Provo, Utah.
• 1:45:57
  SPEAKER_08: Uh this particular vehicle matches the so-called ARV in all proportions and respects in terms of the detail of the shape of the craft.
• 1:46:06
  SPEAKER_08: And this was photographed, as I say, in June or July of uh June of 1967.
• 1:46:13
  SPEAKER_08: I uh um uh later um spoke to a uh gentleman by the name of Kent Selen that I met at an air show at Edwards Air Force Base in 1992, the first unveiling publicly of the B-2 bomber.
• 1:46:29
  SPEAKER_08: He indicated to me that in 1973, when he was a crew chief working on um experimental aircraft at Edwards Air Force Base, that he had unintentionally wandered into an area where there was a classified aircraft, namely the ARV.
• 1:46:47
  SPEAKER_08: He described it in detail and he added uh other details to the account uh concerning the configuration and the operations vehicle that uh Brad Sorensen was not aware of.
• 1:46:59
  SPEAKER_08: Uh subsequently, Brad Sorensen met with the famous aeronautical designer Bert Rattan, gave him a copy of this blueprint which you've just been shown.
• 1:47:08
  SPEAKER_08: Mr.
• 1:47:08
  SPEAKER_08: Rattan felt that it was a joke and put it on his wall as kind of a joke.
• 1:47:14
  SPEAKER_08: And uh a third party confirmed for me later that a Colonel Ray Walsh from Edwards Air Force Base was visiting Mr.
• 1:47:21
  SPEAKER_08: Rattan, saw this uh this blueprint on the wall, and registered quite a degree of shock and anger, wanted to know where the hell he got this blueprint, because there was, in fact, such a craft at that time, approximately 1944-95, uh, in a hangar at Edwards Air Force Base North Base Complex at that time.
• 1:47:43
  SPEAKER_08: Um subsequently I've uh done a lot of research on this product, this this vehicle.
• 1:47:49
  SPEAKER_08: I've uh come across a number of declassified documents that show that the Air Force as early as 1960 was wind tunnel testing flying saucer shapes up to Mach 20.
• 1:48:00
  SPEAKER_08: And uh I also have declassified uh NASA documents that show similar shapes.
• 1:48:06
  SPEAKER_08: Uh in fact, this is this is the document here that uh more or less um details the uh the wind tunnel testing up to Mach 20.
• 1:48:17
  SPEAKER_08: This is the NASA doc uh document right here that was declassified and it shows a variety of uh spherical and lenticular shapes that were flight tested up to, or I should say, uh wind tunnel tested up to Mach 6.
• 1:48:31
  SPEAKER_08: Um I subsequently uh obtained a copy of an interoffice memo from Hercules Aerospace that describes a particular type of science involving something called zero point energy and uh um uh scalar waves.
• 1:48:48
  SPEAKER_08: Um, according to Brad Sorensen, this is the basis of the technology for these anti-gravity propulsion systems.
• 1:48:54
  SPEAKER_08: This particular document here describes six different meetings involving uh the Defense Intelligence Agency and cooperative efforts with the the Russian uh scientific community in investigating this uh what is called the fundamental enabling technology that was originally discovered apparently by Nikola Tesla in the early 1900s.
• 1:49:15
  SPEAKER_08: Anyway, uh I could provide you much more detail and uh at a later time, and I am prepared to uh testify in detail concerning these events and their truthfulness before Congress.
• 1:49:26
  SPEAKER_08: Thank you very much.
• 1:49:35
  SPEAKER_11: Good morning.
• 1:49:36
  SPEAKER_11: Uh my name is Daniel Sheehan.
• 1:49:39
  SPEAKER_11: Uh I'm an attorney and serving as general counsel uh to the disclosure project.
• 1:49:45
  SPEAKER_11: I'm a 1967 graduate of Harvard College in American Government Studies and Constitutional Law and a graduate of Harvard Law School.
• 1:49:54
  SPEAKER_11: And uh I served as general counsel and one of the co-counsel for the New York Times in the Pentagon Papers case, and was involved in uh briefing and arguing the case in front of the United States Supreme Court, uh giving permission to the New York Times to publish the classified documents, the 47 volumes of the Pentagon Papers.
• 1:50:18
  SPEAKER_11: Subsequent to that time, I served as special counsel to the Office of F.
• 1:50:22
  SPEAKER_11: Lee Bailey as one of the trial counsels when we represented James McCord in the Watergate burglary and uh got Mr.
• 1:50:31
  SPEAKER_11: McCord to write the letter to Judge Sirica to reveal the uh water the Watergate burglars' relationship to the plumbers unit uh in the White House at that time.
• 1:50:45
  SPEAKER_11: Subsequent to my service in that case, I went back to Harvard to the Divinity School to study Judeo Christian social ethics and public policy, did my master's work and PhD work there, and became general counsel for the United States.
• 1:51:00
  SPEAKER_11: Jesuit headquarters in Washington, D.C., assigned to the National Social Ministries Office and their public policy office.
• 1:51:08
  SPEAKER_11: It was there in 1967, or 1977, that I was contacted by Ms.
• 1:51:14
  SPEAKER_11: Marsha Smith, who was the director of the Science and Technology Division of the Congressional Research Service.
• 1:51:22
  SPEAKER_11: She asked to meet with me, and I met with her, and she informed me that President Carter, upon taking office in January of 1977, held a meeting with then the Director of Central Intelligence, who was George Bush, Sr., and demanded that the Director of Central Intelligence turn over to the President the classified information about unidentified flying objects and the information that was in the possession of the United States intelligence community concerning the existence of extraterrestrial intelligence.
• 1:51:56
  SPEAKER_11: This information was refused to the President of the United States by the Director of Central Intelligence, George Bush, Sr.
• 1:52:04
  SPEAKER_11: The Director insisted that the President, in order to have access to this information, needed to have clearance, to contact the Congressional Research Service, to contact the United States House of Representatives, Science and Technology Division, to have them undertake a process to declassify this information because the DCI suspected that the President was preparing to reveal this information to the American public.
• 1:52:33
  SPEAKER_11: The Congressional Research Service Science and Technology Division, under the directorship of Marshall Smith, was contacted by the House Science and Technology Committee and instructed to undertake a major investigation of the existence of extraterrestrial intelligence and the relationship of the UFO phenomenon to this.
• 1:52:52
  SPEAKER_11: I was contacted by Ms.
• 1:52:54
  SPEAKER_11: Smith and asked, in my capacity as general counsel to the United States Jesuit Headquarters, National Social Ministry Office, to see if we could obtain access to the Vatican Library to obtain the information that the Vatican had with regard to extraterrestrial intelligence and the phenomenon of the UFOs.
• 1:53:14
  SPEAKER_11: I pursued that with the permission of Father William J.
• 1:53:17
  SPEAKER_11: Davis, the director of the National Office, and we were refused access, as the United States judge would order, to the information in the possession of the Vatican Library.
• 1:53:28
  SPEAKER_11: When I reported this to Ms.
• 1:53:30
  SPEAKER_11: Smith, she then later subsequently asked me to participate in a project which I can go into some detail during the question and answer period or later to individuals pursuant to which I was given access to, as a special consultant, to the United States Library of Congress Congressional Research Service, to the classified portions of the Blue Book project of the Air Force.
• 1:53:57
  SPEAKER_11: At that point, it was in 1977, approximately May of 1977, I went to the Madison Building of the United States Library of Congress.
• 1:54:08
  SPEAKER_11: There was no one in the building at that time.
• 1:54:10
  SPEAKER_11: It was brand new.
• 1:54:11
  SPEAKER_11: I was directed to a basement office where there were two guards at the door and a third sitting at the table who took my identification, verified that I'd been designated as a special consultant to the Congressional Research Service of the United States Library of Congress, and was admitted to the room.
• 1:54:32
  SPEAKER_11: I thereupon found photographs, some dozen photographs, of what is unquestionably an unidentified flying object on the ground that had crashed and plowed a furrow in a field of snow, and it was embedded in a bank, an embankment.
• 1:54:51
  SPEAKER_11: There were United States Air Force personnel surrounding this craft, taking photographs of the craft.
• 1:54:58
  SPEAKER_11: And one of the photographs I could see that there were some symbols on the side of the craft.
• 1:55:04
  SPEAKER_11: So I proceeded through the photographs and found a close-up photograph of these symbols.
• 1:55:10
  SPEAKER_11: I'd been instructed that I was to take no notes and had to leave my briefcase and all my identification outside of this room, but I had brought with me a yellow pad.
• 1:55:21
  SPEAKER_11: And so what I did is I opened up the yellow pad and refocused the overhead camera onto the same size as the cardboard backing of the yellow pad, and I physically traced the copies of the symbols on the side of this craft, closed the yellow pad back, put the microfiche back into the canister, reclosed the box that I had, and I said, It is time for me to leave.
• 1:55:49
  SPEAKER_11: And I took this and proceeded to leave the office, at which point the security guard stopped me, and one of them said, What is that you have there, Mr.
• 1:55:57
  SPEAKER_11: Sheehan?
• 1:55:58
  SPEAKER_11: At which point I handed the yellow pad to him, and he flipped through all the yellow pages and never found the copy that I had.
• 1:56:06
  SPEAKER_11: And so I took that with me and brought it to the United States Jesuit Headquarters, had a meeting with the staff with Father William J.
• 1:56:13
  SPEAKER_11: Davis, reported this to them, was authorized at that time by the United States Jesuit Headquarters to make a report to the National Council of Churches and to request that the entire 54 major religious denominations of our country undertake a major study of extraterrestrial intelligence, which they declined to do.
• 1:56:35
  SPEAKER_11: I was subsequently asked to deliver a three-hour closed-door seminar to the top 50 scientists of the Jet Propulsion Laboratory of SETI, the Search for Extraterrestrial Intelligence, which I did do in 1977.
• 1:56:48
  SPEAKER_11: I am more than happy to testify under oath to these details to the United States Congress and would be happy to meet with any members of the press at that time.
• 1:56:58
  SPEAKER_11: You may recall I also served as chief counsel to the Karen Silkwood case, in which we uh obtained the rulings in the Karen Silkwood case.
• 1:57:07
  SPEAKER_11: I also served as chief counsel in the Iran-Confort case, was the first one to testify before the United States Congress to the existence of the off-the-shelf enterprise of Richard C.
• 1:57:17
  SPEAKER_11: Cord and Albert Hakeem.
• 1:57:18
  SPEAKER_11: I'll be more than happy to share the details of what I believe to be the relationship between this off-the-shelf enterprise and the secret government, which is concealing this information from the American public.
• 1:57:29
  SPEAKER_11: And I am happy and proud to serve as general counsel to the disclosure project.
• 1:57:35
  SPEAKER_11: Thank you very much.
• 1:57:47
  SPEAKER_18: In 1974, after being a sixth grade school teacher, I was introduced to the late Dr.
• 1:57:54
  SPEAKER_18: Werner von Braun in the U.S., the father of rocketry.
• 1:57:57
  SPEAKER_18: In my first meeting with him during that first three and a half hours, he said to me, Carol, you will stop the weaponization of space.
• 1:58:07
  SPEAKER_18: And I said, uh, you know, teachers don't stop until June.
• 1:58:11
  SPEAKER_18: He said, No, you have to understand this is February, and we have to prevent the weaponization of space because there is a lie being told to everyone that the weaponization of space is now first being based upon the evil empire, the Russians.
• 1:58:28
  SPEAKER_18: There are many enemies, he said, against whom we're going to build this space-based weapon system, the first of whom was the Russians, which was existing at that time.
• 1:58:36
  SPEAKER_18: Then there would be terrorists, then there would be third world countries, now we call them rogue nations or nations of concern.
• 1:58:43
  SPEAKER_18: Then there would be asteroids.
• 1:58:45
  SPEAKER_18: And then he would repeat to me over and over.
• 1:58:49
  SPEAKER_18: And the last card, the last card, the last card would be the extraterrestrial threat.
• 1:58:56
  SPEAKER_18: Well, at the time I kind of laughed when he said asteroids, and when he said extraterrestrials, I knew I wasn't going to deal with that subject.
• 1:59:03
  SPEAKER_18: And now we hear on the news just today, this week, that they've slid in another enemy.
• 1:59:08
  SPEAKER_18: Only this time we're going to protect our satellites.
• 1:59:10
  SPEAKER_18: In other words, we have to have some reason to spend these trillions to waste these dollars on a space-based weapon system, and they're all lies.
• 1:59:19
  SPEAKER_18: This is a system, he told me, that would never protect anyone.
• 1:59:23
  SPEAKER_18: Even back then, he talked about suitcase bombs.
• 1:59:26
  SPEAKER_18: He talked about chemical, viral, bacterial, biological warfare that these space-based weapons would never protect us against.
• 1:59:34
  SPEAKER_18: And then he told me that in fact, if you travel around the world, which I did after he died in 1977, I met with people in over a hundred countries who were friends.
• 1:59:44
  SPEAKER_18: They didn't want to build space-based weapons.
• 1:59:46
  SPEAKER_18: I became a space and missile defense consultant.
• 1:59:49
  SPEAKER_18: And I worked with people around the world.
• 1:59:51
  SPEAKER_18: I became an advisor to the People's Republic of China.
• 1:59:55
  SPEAKER_18: They don't want to build a space-based weapon system.
• 1:59:57
  SPEAKER_18: And he told me back then that they didn't.
• 2:00:00
  SPEAKER_18: He said, Go to Russia.
• 2:00:01
  SPEAKER_18: They're considered to be the enemy.
• 2:00:02
  SPEAKER_18: I got on a plane by myself.
• 2:00:04
  SPEAKER_18: When I got to Russia, I had a list of people that I had read out of the newspaper.
• 2:00:07
  SPEAKER_18: Chernenko was in office then.
• 2:00:09
  SPEAKER_18: He was the only one I didn't get a chance to meet.
• 2:00:11
  SPEAKER_18: They introduced me to everyone when I got there.
• 2:00:15
  SPEAKER_18: And when I got back, I said, Oh my lord, this man is telling the truth.
• 2:00:21
  SPEAKER_18: There is no threat.
• 2:00:23
  SPEAKER_18: And I've been waiting until this day for 27 years, and I'm expecting the spin to happen because he also explained to me that in the as a military strategist, as a person who worked on the MX missile, which I did later, he said, you will find that there is going to be a spin to find some enemy against whom we have to build space-based weapons.
• 2:00:46
  SPEAKER_18: And now we should expect the spin.
• 2:00:48
  SPEAKER_18: Because he said part of the formula for the intelligence community is if they might have a weapon, then we have to consider that they do have these weapons.
• 2:00:56
  SPEAKER_18: So now they do have these weapons.
• 2:00:57
  SPEAKER_18: So now we have to build these weapon systems.
• 2:01:00
  SPEAKER_18: And that's the formula, except that it's all based on a lie.
• 2:01:03
  SPEAKER_18: And we have witnesses here today that have shown you that these extraterrestrial beings, that these craft that have come here are now not UFOs, they're identified flying objects.
• 2:01:14
  SPEAKER_18: And we know that they have beings in them.
• 2:01:17
  SPEAKER_18: And we have witnesses here who have told you that they can shut down our missile silos, they can stop a rocket going into space that's a test.
• 2:01:25
  SPEAKER_18: We have witnesses here who have worked in the classified departments who have the courage to come forward here to support what Werner von Braun told me back in 1974 to 77.
• 2:01:39
  SPEAKER_18: And I will testify before the Congress that when I founded the Institute for Security and Cooperation in Outer Space, which I shut down a few years ago because I didn't believe we had a chance with this huge, integrated around the world complex weapon system, that we had any chance at all of transforming that war industry into a space industry that could provide benefits, like Dr.
• 2:02:01
  SPEAKER_18: Greer has said, of global warming.
• 2:02:04
  SPEAKER_18: We can end that situation of that problem.
• 2:02:06
  SPEAKER_18: We can end the energy crisis.
• 2:02:08
  SPEAKER_18: We can build now non-polluting technologies.
• 2:02:11
  SPEAKER_18: Werner von Braun used to tell me that we could have cars back then that drove around off the ground.
• 2:02:17
  SPEAKER_18: He described this to me on beams so that we have no pollution on this planet.
• 2:02:23
  SPEAKER_18: And we can solve the problems of the people that are urgent and potential and the other animals and the other cultures on earth and in space.
• 2:02:32
  SPEAKER_18: And we can end the arms race without dislocating the industry jobs, without disrupting the economy, by transforming, Werner von Braun told me, the war industry into a global cooperative space industry that will provide, he said, finally, more jobs and profits on this planet than during any hotter cold wartime, more products and services that can be applied directly to solving the problems of this planet.
• 2:03:00
  SPEAKER_18: And we can have a whole planet now that lives in peace on Earth with all the cultures on Earth and with all the extraterrestrial cultures in space.
• 2:03:13
  SPEAKER_18: And these are words that Werner von Brahm told me in 1974, and I will testify before the Congress under oath about everything I have said and more.
• 2:03:24
  SPEAKER_18: Thank you.
• 2:04:05
  SPEAKER_20: You may address them to me or to an individual witness as as you deem appropriate.
• 2:04:10
  SPEAKER_20: Yes, ma'am.
• 2:05:31
  SPEAKER_03: Okay, here we go.
• 2:05:33
  SPEAKER_22: Sorry about that.
• 2:05:33
  SPEAKER_22: Thank you everybody for uh chiming in and paying attention here.
• 2:05:37
  SPEAKER_22: I appreciate that.
• 2:05:38
  SPEAKER_22: So the reason why I um why I played so much of that clip is because number one, most people have never seen it.
• 2:05:49
  SPEAKER_22: Um I watched that live in 2001, almost to the day I watched it live.
• 2:05:58
  SPEAKER_22: It was a live event that came on CNN, and Dr.
• 2:06:01
  SPEAKER_22: Stephen Greer 25 years ago had those brave, courageous souls.
• 2:06:08
  SPEAKER_22: At that time, back then, I don't know if you can imagine how difficult it could have been to get up in front of that many people, that many cameras, screaming live and uh and pledging to testify before Congress about the topics that now today would be a common conversation, but at that time, taboo.
• 2:06:34
  SPEAKER_22: And your life would be put in danger at that time.
• 2:06:39
  SPEAKER_22: So those people came forward at a time where it was really, really dangerous to come forward and sta and make those statements and then pledge to testify before Congress, knowing good and well that Congress and the government and everyone else had been suppressing and oppressing and hiding this information.
• 2:06:58
  SPEAKER_22: Okay?
• 2:07:00
  SPEAKER_22: So it was an extensive clip, but I thought it was necessary because I really don't think that many people understand or could understand the depth of what they accomplished so many years ago, and then now today in 2026, we get these images from the government that are completely ambiguous and completely vague, out of focus, um they literally could be anything, and they say they've released the UFO files.
• 2:07:37
  SPEAKER_22: And 25 years ago, we have those courageous souls, people who had the codes to arm nukes, people who consulted on nuclear silos and weaponry and advanced space weapon systems, people who were s uh nuclear flight security specialists.
• 2:08:00
  SPEAKER_22: I mean, come on.
• 2:08:03
  SPEAKER_22: These are the hardest jobs to get in the world, and these people stood up twenty-five years ago and they took advantage of that platform and they spoke their truth.
• 2:08:19
  SPEAKER_22: And they showed evidence, they showed imagery, they showed photos.
• 2:08:25
  SPEAKER_22: They had documents with them, they answered questions to the press.
• 2:08:30
  SPEAKER_22: All questions to the press.
• 2:08:33
  SPEAKER_22: And now twenty-five years later, we have an administration that's teasing us with absolute trash.
• 2:08:43
  SPEAKER_22: Absolute trash images, absolute trash video clips.
• 2:08:52
  SPEAKER_22: Again, little crumbs.
• 2:08:58
  SPEAKER_22: The disclosure has already happened.
• 2:09:03
  SPEAKER_22: We just aren't aware of it.
• 2:09:06
  SPEAKER_22: It was swept under the rug.
• 2:09:11
  SPEAKER_22: On the day that Charlie Kirk was unalived, almost at the exact moment of his unaliving, NASA made a major mainstream TV video press release.
• 2:09:30
  SPEAKER_22: And that press release is that they discovered life on Mars.
• 2:09:34
  SPEAKER_22: Organic life on Mars.
• 2:09:39
  SPEAKER_22: At the same time that Charlie Kirk was unalive.
• 2:09:45
  SPEAKER_22: And again, that information has been completely overshadowed by the assassination.
• 2:09:55
  SPEAKER_22: And probably I would say 90% of the world don't even know that they announced that there's life on Mars.
• 2:10:05
  SPEAKER_22: In 15 years, I can play that live press conference, and people will be completely shocked.
• 2:10:12
  SPEAKER_22: Oh my god, I didn't know there was life on Mars.
• 2:10:14
  SPEAKER_22: Yes, there's life on Mars.
• 2:10:17
  SPEAKER_22: But it aired ironically, coincidentally, at the same exact time that Charlie Kirk was unalive.
• 2:10:23
  SPEAKER_22: Isn't that just a grand coincidence?
• 2:10:28
  SPEAKER_22: Interesting.
• 2:10:33
  SPEAKER_22: Unfortunately, the powers that be are full of games.
• 2:10:38
  SPEAKER_22: You know, they are they're they are full of games.
• 2:10:40
  SPEAKER_22: What do they call that in New York City on the corners?
• 2:10:43
  SPEAKER_22: Three card Monty, right?
• 2:10:44
  SPEAKER_22: They got the cups and they got the little ball and they move the cups around and they got the ball in the cups and they move them around again, and they say, pick which which cup is the ball in.
• 2:10:55
  SPEAKER_22: This is what they're doing.
• 2:10:57
  SPEAKER_22: They're just playing games.
• 2:10:59
  SPEAKER_22: They literally are just playing games.
• 2:11:02
  SPEAKER_22: They just keep moving that ball.
• 2:11:04
  SPEAKER_22: The ball is the disclosure, the ball is the truth, the ball is the knowledge.
• 2:11:08
  SPEAKER_22: They keep shuffling it around.
• 2:11:10
  SPEAKER_22: Now they're giving us these alien files.
• 2:11:14
  SPEAKER_22: Really?
• 2:11:15
  SPEAKER_22: A couple of very shady, foggy video clips that are only like three to eight seconds long.
• 2:11:23
  SPEAKER_22: Yeah.
• 2:11:24
  SPEAKER_22: You know.
• 2:11:25
  SPEAKER_22: Meanwhile, where's all the research and the extensive interviews that were done with these people that I just played from 2001 with these official officers, with these official security specialists, with these official scientists and consultants?
• 2:11:47
  SPEAKER_22: How come they're not spending countless hours going through that and bringing forth those documents and that information and bringing that to the mainstream?
• 2:11:57
  SPEAKER_22: It's been 25 years, and all they've gotten out of it are interviews on podcasts, and every now and then um an independent documentary.
• 2:12:09
  SPEAKER_22: They don't get paid for any of this, by the way, those people.
• 2:12:13
  SPEAKER_22: All they got is just risk of life and um and threats and hatred from their own government until they came out and spoke.
• 2:12:25
  SPEAKER_22: So in reality believing that the government's gonna release something spectacular is highly unlikely.
• 2:12:34
  SPEAKER_22: What is likely is that people like the brave ones that you just saw are going to be the ones that mostly give the disclosure.
• 2:12:51
  SPEAKER_22: We appreciate their courage, exactly the kid.
• 2:13:00
  SPEAKER_22: Were supposed to have studied extraterrestrial stuff.
• 2:13:05
  SPEAKER_22: Yes.
• 2:13:06
  SPEAKER_22: Great question, Admiral.
• 2:13:07
  SPEAKER_22: Admiral Maitland's in the house from the 4BK Academy.
• 2:13:12
  SPEAKER_22: So the Vatican had made a very, very stunning statement, a very stunning press release that went out globally years back.
• 2:13:24
  SPEAKER_22: And that statement was that they were looking forward to baptizing the first alien.
• 2:13:30
  SPEAKER_22: Now, I don't want you to just think I'm just making that up, so I'm going to pull it up on my screen right now.
• 2:13:37
  SPEAKER_22: Let me pull it up and let me share my screen with you.
• 2:13:41
  SPEAKER_22: So hang tight one second.
• 2:13:48
  SPEAKER_22: Because you need to see this with your own eyes.
• 2:13:51
  SPEAKER_22: Or you won't believe it.
• 2:13:55
  SPEAKER_22: Okay?
• 2:13:56
  SPEAKER_22: You won't believe it.
• 2:14:00
  SPEAKER_22: Now let me come back and share my screen.
• 2:14:04
  SPEAKER_22: Because I want y'all to see exactly what I'm talking about.
• 2:14:13
  SPEAKER_22: Vatican Observatory, Saint Augustine and baptizing extraterrestrial.
• 2:14:21
  SPEAKER_22: The question that has been put to Br Guy Cosmoglin Caso Caso Mango, director of the Vatican Observatory and the chief blogger here at Sacred Space.
• 2:14:37
  SPEAKER_22: They're talking about in this article here about the press release that went out.
• 2:14:46
  SPEAKER_22: To which Guy answered, only if he only if she asked.
• 2:14:51
  SPEAKER_22: They got a laugh, Guy intended, but the guy noted that the stories later ran as if he had made some sort of official Vatican pronouncement about aliens.
• 2:15:01
  SPEAKER_22: Well, of course he did.
• 2:15:05
  SPEAKER_22: So what happened was he was asked about alien life and he made an official statement.
• 2:15:10
  SPEAKER_22: Now I'm going to show you the official statement.
• 2:15:13
  SPEAKER_22: I want to show you both sides of the thing.
• 2:15:18
  SPEAKER_22: Once this went viral, then they tried to go back and change it up a little bit.
• 2:15:25
  SPEAKER_22: Pope Francis said he would definitely baptize aliens if they asked him to.
• 2:15:31
  SPEAKER_22: So I'm playing you both sides of the coin.
• 2:15:33
  SPEAKER_22: In one, the official statement came out in 2014, in which he said this.
• 2:15:38
  SPEAKER_22: And then later, one of the observatory consultants or workers within the Vatican said, Oh, I think he was just joking.
• 2:15:47
  SPEAKER_22: No, he wasn't joking, he was dead serious.
• 2:15:49
  SPEAKER_22: I saw the original release.
• 2:15:52
  SPEAKER_22: Pope Francis said he would absolutely baptize an alien from Mars if it showed up at the Vatican and asked for it.
• 2:16:02
  SPEAKER_22: Now, that's an interesting statement to make.
• 2:16:08
  SPEAKER_22: He said he would baptize an alien from Mars.
• 2:16:15
  SPEAKER_22: If they didn't believe in aliens, and if they believed that they were demonic, they wouldn't even make a statement like that.
• 2:16:25
  SPEAKER_22: There's no need to joke.
• 2:16:27
  SPEAKER_22: When you're dealing with religion, you're dealing with God.
• 2:16:30
  SPEAKER_22: You don't joke around like that.
• 2:16:32
  SPEAKER_22: I believe that they were serious.
• 2:16:34
  SPEAKER_22: It's well known that at the Vatican, they have a lot of stuff inside of the archives there.
• 2:16:40
  SPEAKER_22: They even supposedly have bones from non-human entities in the underground five-mile archive, along with many other incredible things.
• 2:16:49
  SPEAKER_22: Most of the books from the Library of Alexandria burning, the ones that were actually stolen, because the book burning was actually a book heist, made it into the Vatican archives.
• 2:17:07
  SPEAKER_22: In about two and a half weeks, I'm going to the Vatican.
• 2:17:14
  SPEAKER_22: And I'm going to hopefully get an opportunity to take a peek at what may be underneath through a special connection that I have.
• 2:17:26
  SPEAKER_22: If I'm able to get that done, I'll definitely bring that information back to you.
• 2:17:32
  SPEAKER_22: I'll try to get some clips if I can, but I can't guarantee it.
• 2:17:35
  SPEAKER_22: But I'm definitely going to try to get some video clips.
• 2:17:40
  SPEAKER_22: The religious centers of the world, the major ones, especially the Jesuits, especially the super Jesuit, fully and totally understand that alien life exists.
• 2:17:53
  SPEAKER_22: The Vatican built a special type of a telescope located in America, believe it or not.
• 2:18:01
  SPEAKER_22: It's in Arizona, I believe.
• 2:18:04
  SPEAKER_22: Underneath, they built an underground bunker.
• 2:18:07
  SPEAKER_22: And the name of the telescope built by the Vatican is called the Lucifer Telescope.
• 2:18:15
  SPEAKER_22: That's right.
• 2:18:16
  SPEAKER_22: It's called the Lucifer Telescope.
• 2:18:19
  SPEAKER_22: And this telescope is specifically there and built to look for alien life.
• 2:18:29
  SPEAKER_22: And again, let me pull that up.
• 2:18:34
  SPEAKER_22: Let me pull that up for you real quick.
• 2:18:37
  SPEAKER_22: Just so you can see.
• 2:19:15
  SPEAKER_22: And they are well aware that we're being visited.
• 2:19:26
  SPEAKER_22: Let me share my screen.
• 2:19:29
  SPEAKER_22: Popular science.
• 2:19:32
  SPEAKER_22: April twenty third, two thousand ten.
• 2:19:37
  SPEAKER_22: Lucifer instrument helps astronomers see through the darkness to the most distant observable objects.
• 2:19:46
  SPEAKER_22: Mainstream news.
• 2:19:50
  SPEAKER_22: A new instrument with an evil sounding name is helping scientists see how stars are born.
• 2:19:56
  SPEAKER_22: Lucifer, which stands for deep breath large binocular telescope near infrared utility with camera and integral field unit for extragalactical research, is a chilled instrument attached to a telescope in Arizona.
• 2:20:12
  SPEAKER_22: I was right, Arizona.
• 2:20:13
  SPEAKER_22: I haven't talked about this in a while.
• 2:20:17
  SPEAKER_22: And yes, it's named for the devil, whose name itself means the morning star.
• 2:20:25
  SPEAKER_22: Just in case you were wondering, what the Vatican's up to.
• 2:20:32
  SPEAKER_22: Now, the name Lucifer technically does it mean evil.
• 2:20:37
  SPEAKER_22: Well, Lucifer was the name of one of the fallen angels.
• 2:20:42
  SPEAKER_22: And actually, Lucifer was not a fallen angel, Lucifer was a cherubim.
• 2:20:48
  SPEAKER_22: And it's said in the text that he was so brilliant and so smart and so beautiful that everywhere he went, music followed him.
• 2:21:00
  SPEAKER_22: Super highly intelligent, one of the smartest beings to ever be created by God.
• 2:21:08
  SPEAKER_22: And um what's interesting to me is that supposedly a being that highly intelligent with an IQ of probably 10,000 is going to follow text written by men to its own demise.
• 2:21:27
  SPEAKER_22: I just don't believe that.
• 2:21:30
  SPEAKER_22: I definitely believe that that Lucifer is most likely the one that's tricking us into believing we know what the hell we're talking about and leading us to our own demise.
• 2:21:43
  SPEAKER_22: That's what I really think is happening.
• 2:21:45
  SPEAKER_22: We can barely tie our damn shoes on this planet.
• 2:21:48
  SPEAKER_22: I mean, hell, we're blowing up countries to get oil so that we can so that we can burn combust so that we can use combustion engines in 2026 when we have access to anti-gravity and free energy and everything else.
• 2:22:03
  SPEAKER_22: We have electric cars that have batteries that destroy the environment when they die.
• 2:22:11
  SPEAKER_22: The electric car battery is more toxic, it's 10 times more toxic than an actual crankshaft engine, than a regular standard aluminum block.
• 2:22:24
  SPEAKER_22: And they the batteries can't be recycled.
• 2:22:30
  SPEAKER_22: They take a damn hour or whatever to charge.
• 2:22:33
  SPEAKER_22: And when the battery goes bad, the replacement battery costs more than the car itself.
• 2:22:40
  SPEAKER_22: There's people who have full-time companies where they ride around with gas-powered generators in their vans to charge up broken-down electric cars with gas converted into electric.
• 2:22:54
  SPEAKER_22: And then you have the rest of us driving around combustion engines in 2026.
• 2:22:59
  SPEAKER_22: You have Elon Musk launching chemical-powered rockets into space in 2026.
• 2:23:07
  SPEAKER_22: It's embarrassing that we're the amount of suppression and oppression that we've allowed to happen to ourselves by such a small group of people.
• 2:23:18
  SPEAKER_22: They are hoarding all of the knowledge and hoarding all of the technology away from us.
• 2:23:28
  SPEAKER_22: And then make us fight over the scrappy oil.
• 2:23:39
  SPEAKER_22: I'm embarrassed to the beings in the universe.
• 2:23:43
  SPEAKER_22: We are being watched, we're being observed.
• 2:23:50
  SPEAKER_22: We're being monitored.
• 2:23:55
  SPEAKER_22: And um, yeah.
• 2:24:01
  SPEAKER_22: And I'm gonna say we, I'm not talking about the government.
• 2:24:03
  SPEAKER_22: I'm not talking about the people that are dropping the bombs on other people.
• 2:24:08
  SPEAKER_22: I'm talking about the masses of us.
• 2:24:12
  SPEAKER_22: The eight billion.
• 2:24:15
  SPEAKER_22: Because we're the problem.
• 2:24:17
  SPEAKER_22: We keep allowing a small group of men to dominate and control the planet.
• 2:24:23
  SPEAKER_22: That's got to come to an end.
• 2:24:26
  SPEAKER_22: It's embarrassing.
• 2:24:27
  SPEAKER_22: It's embarrassing.
• 2:24:28
  SPEAKER_22: Other civilizations are watching and monitoring and just waiting for us to grow up, waiting for us to stop allowing this to occur and happen, waiting for us to stop allowing genocides and assassinations and the abuse of the planet that we live on for resources in a way that don't even need to happen.
• 2:24:58
  SPEAKER_22: The manipulation of a financial matrix, the manipulation of consciousness, the manipulation of health, the manipulation of education, the manipulation of rehabilitation.
• 2:25:15
  SPEAKER_22: At some point, it's got to come to an end.
• 2:25:19
  SPEAKER_22: We're getting close, but man, this last push, this last hard push that we need to get through the end of this age and shift and move into this 2025 or 2026.
• 2:25:36
  SPEAKER_22: Well, we're in the age of Aquarius now, it started in 2025.
• 2:25:40
  SPEAKER_22: We need an extra conscious push right now.
• 2:25:44
  SPEAKER_22: We need to really, really come together.
• 2:25:47
  SPEAKER_22: I'm gonna see if I can find this clip that I uh made nine years ago.
• 2:25:55
  SPEAKER_22: I made a clip nine years ago with Matthew LaCroix.
• 2:25:59
  SPEAKER_22: I wonder if I can quickly find it.
• 2:26:01
  SPEAKER_22: I have so much content in this doggone device.
• 2:26:05
  SPEAKER_22: I just want to play it for you real quick.
• 2:26:08
  SPEAKER_22: I found it.
• 2:26:09
  SPEAKER_22: This is nine years ago.
• 2:26:10
  SPEAKER_22: Let me I'm gonna upload this really quickly to the server and then download it up there.
• 2:26:22
  SPEAKER_22: Um, because yeah, I really want to um it's uploading now, show you something.
• 2:26:28
  SPEAKER_22: As we as the Hopies prophesied, coming out of this fourth age, there's gonna be a lot of calamity, a lot of noise, a lot of growing pains, a lot of um darkness going on.
• 2:26:43
  SPEAKER_22: In the Emerald Tabitz, those calls these people the dark brothers, running behind the scenes, and he warns us to beware of the dark brothers.
• 2:26:52
  SPEAKER_22: And we see that there are dark brothers right now, running rush out all over this planet, scraping and scavenging away, creating genocides together.
• 2:27:05
  SPEAKER_22: Two brothers right now, as predicted in the Animal Tablets, in this same exact time frame where it's predicted to happen.
• 2:27:15
  SPEAKER_22: These dark brothers right now are scouring the earth, mistreating people, genociding people, deceiving people as we speak.
• 2:27:29
  SPEAKER_22: And this is what to be expected, it was predicted, it was prophesied.
• 2:27:34
  SPEAKER_22: And now the most important part of this prophecy is that we need to overcome this situation, is that we need to be able to get through what's going on here and shift and move into a higher vibration globally, and if we don't do that, then we're gonna be stuck right where we are.
• 2:28:07
  SPEAKER_22: The Hopi prophecy says that some won't make it into the fifth age.
• 2:28:16
  SPEAKER_22: Some won't make it into the fifth age, and the ones that do, we will be responsible for the consequences of our choices.
• 2:28:26
  SPEAKER_22: Let me say that again.
• 2:28:28
  SPEAKER_22: We will be responsible for the consequences of our choices.
• 2:28:36
  SPEAKER_22: That's powerful because what's that's saying is that the principle of cause and effect in the Hermetic Principles talks about every conscious thought that you act on is going to have a consequence.
• 2:28:56
  SPEAKER_22: If you have a conscious thought and you act on it, you're going to see a consequence.
• 2:29:01
  SPEAKER_22: Now, whether it's a good consequence or a bad consequence is irrelevant.
• 2:29:06
  SPEAKER_22: The fact is there will be a consequence or a cause and effect.
• 2:29:13
  SPEAKER_22: And this cause and effect is exactly what we're facing right now.
• 2:29:19
  SPEAKER_22: If we don't straighten out what we're doing, if we don't find a way to organize better and come together and fight to take back control of this planet.
• 2:29:34
  SPEAKER_22: The only way to do that, people think it's this big complicated thing.
• 2:29:40
  SPEAKER_22: It's so simple that it's hard.
• 2:29:43
  SPEAKER_22: Because the easiest way to take back control of this planet is to love thy neighbor.
• 2:29:50
  SPEAKER_22: That's it.
• 2:29:52
  SPEAKER_22: Love yourself and love thy neighbor.
• 2:29:56
  SPEAKER_22: That's simply it.
• 2:29:58
  SPEAKER_22: It's not that complicated.
• 2:30:00
  SPEAKER_22: Because once we do that, that means the divide and conquer tactics don't work on us anymore.
• 2:30:05
  SPEAKER_22: That you're blue or you're green or you're red, blue and red, you're you're black and you're white, or you're Hispanic and Asian, or you're, you know, you're this religion or that religion, or all that dissipates.
• 2:30:18
  SPEAKER_22: You're this level of poverty, and I'm this level of wealth, and all this foolishness.
• 2:30:22
  SPEAKER_22: I got this car and you got that car.
• 2:30:25
  SPEAKER_22: All that is nothing but stupidity.
• 2:30:29
  SPEAKER_22: What we really need to do is get beyond those divide and conquer tactics, and we need to come together and organize.
• 2:30:38
  SPEAKER_22: We need to create our own pandemic.
• 2:30:41
  SPEAKER_22: That's what we need to do.
• 2:30:44
  SPEAKER_22: Not with a virus that's going to kill people, with a consciousness virus that spreads around the world to re-implement the Christ consciousness on this planet.
• 2:30:57
  SPEAKER_22: Once that's done, soldiers don't take orders from people in ten thousand dollar suits anymore to go and unalive their brothers and sisters halfway around the world.
• 2:31:12
  SPEAKER_22: They say no.
• 2:31:16
  SPEAKER_22: Police don't brutally beat and kill people in the streets anymore.
• 2:31:22
  SPEAKER_22: They say no.
• 2:31:26
  SPEAKER_22: People don't rob and hurt and kill and attack and steal from each other anymore.
• 2:31:33
  SPEAKER_22: They say no.
• 2:31:37
  SPEAKER_22: What we do is we come together and we organize as one.
• 2:31:42
  SPEAKER_22: And in that way, through united, a united front, united consciousness, through Christ consciousness, we stop playing their game.
• 2:31:55
  SPEAKER_22: We oust them in one simple way.
• 2:31:59
  SPEAKER_22: We just stop everything.
• 2:32:02
  SPEAKER_22: We just say, no.
• 2:32:06
  SPEAKER_22: Imagine on a Monday morning if a hundred million people decided not going to go to work today.
• 2:32:15
  SPEAKER_22: Imagine on a Monday morning if a hundred million people said, we're not going to pay any interest today.
• 2:32:24
  SPEAKER_22: Imagine on a Monday morning if a hundred million people said, we're not even going to leave the house.
• 2:32:30
  SPEAKER_22: We're not going to buy any of your gas.
• 2:32:33
  SPEAKER_22: We don't want any of your blood gas.
• 2:32:36
  SPEAKER_22: The gas that has blood on it.
• 2:32:38
  SPEAKER_22: We don't want any of it.
• 2:32:40
  SPEAKER_22: We've been preparing and stocking up for this planned moment, and we're prepared to sit down for three months and do absolutely nothing with your bloody gas.
• 2:32:51
  SPEAKER_22: Your oil that you stole and that's got the death of the blood of eight-year-old girls on it.
• 2:32:58
  SPEAKER_22: We don't want it.
• 2:33:01
  SPEAKER_22: That's what I'm talking about doing.
• 2:33:04
  SPEAKER_22: That's real power.
• 2:33:07
  SPEAKER_22: That's real power.
• 2:33:09
  SPEAKER_22: And now we get the attention.
• 2:33:12
  SPEAKER_22: The people that are watching us, they go, oh, wait a minute, wait a minute.
• 2:33:16
  SPEAKER_22: Oh, I think they're waking up for real now.
• 2:33:18
  SPEAKER_22: Not the fake wake up, not the oh, I'm a spiritual being and I'm meditating.
• 2:33:22
  SPEAKER_22: No, the real waking up.
• 2:33:25
  SPEAKER_22: Because the real waking up is taking back control of the planet.
• 2:33:30
  SPEAKER_22: That's the real waking up.
• 2:33:32
  SPEAKER_22: I can meditate for 10 hours.
• 2:33:35
  SPEAKER_22: Okay, I get some self-improvement out of it.
• 2:33:38
  SPEAKER_22: But I'm talking about global transformation and of control and power, shifting back to the people where it belongs.
• 2:33:48
  SPEAKER_22: That's a different kind of power.
• 2:33:50
  SPEAKER_22: That's a different kind of woke and awakenness.
• 2:33:53
  SPEAKER_22: That's a different kind of consciousness.
• 2:33:57
  SPEAKER_22: Not everybody's ready for that.
• 2:33:59
  SPEAKER_22: That's why the Hopi said, not everyone's gonna go into the fifth age.
• 2:34:05
  SPEAKER_22: It just is what it is.
• 2:34:09
  SPEAKER_22: Some people are warriors, like myself, and some people are warriors.
• 2:34:18
  SPEAKER_22: Let's see what I talked about nine years ago.
• 2:34:21
  SPEAKER_22: Check this out.
• 2:34:26
  SPEAKER_22: It's not going to completely eliminate the immediately by completely five.
• 2:34:30
  SPEAKER_22: However, this is going to be the only two.
• 2:35:24
  SPEAKER_22: So they're well aware of the time period and the end of the equinox and the age of the queries coming in in 2025.
• 2:35:30
  SPEAKER_22: They're well aware of it.
• 2:35:31
  SPEAKER_22: And it isn't like you know their final temperature is to grab as much as they can, dominate as much as they can.
• 2:35:38
  SPEAKER_22: Does that sound like what's happening now?
• 2:35:41
  SPEAKER_22: Starting wars at the end of an age to keep the kingship going.
• 2:35:48
  SPEAKER_22: Scrapping and scraping and stealing everything.
• 2:35:52
  SPEAKER_22: This administration has already illegally stolen five billion.
• 2:35:59
  SPEAKER_22: And continuing to has goals to take much, much more.
• 2:36:03
  SPEAKER_22: I saw an interview the other day, he said the world is a casino right now for me.
• 2:36:11
  SPEAKER_22: I predicted all of this back in nine years ago, and it's now began.
• 2:36:16
  SPEAKER_22: This phase began in 2025, just as I said.
• 2:36:21
  SPEAKER_22: So we're in it.
• 2:36:22
  SPEAKER_22: But the good news is we can transform this and we can shift from this into the next age.
• 2:36:31
  SPEAKER_22: We're at the very, very beginning, and this is their temper tantrum.
• 2:36:38
  SPEAKER_22: They know that their days are numbered.
• 2:36:40
  SPEAKER_22: It's coming to an absolute end.
• 2:36:45
  SPEAKER_22: It's coming to an end.
• 2:36:48
  SPEAKER_22: If you study history, there are no empires that have lasted from the thousands of years ago when you first read about them until today.
• 2:37:01
  SPEAKER_22: And there have been empires 10x of the American Empire, 10x the European Empire, 10x the Asian Empire of today.
• 2:37:12
  SPEAKER_22: I'm talking about going back thousands of years ago.
• 2:37:16
  SPEAKER_22: They have some real empires.
• 2:37:19
  SPEAKER_22: Where are they now?
• 2:37:21
  SPEAKER_22: They're all gone.
• 2:37:24
  SPEAKER_22: No empire can persist forever.
• 2:37:32
  SPEAKER_22: What can persist forever is consciousness and will persist forever.
• 2:37:40
  SPEAKER_22: And that's what it's all about.
• 2:37:43
  SPEAKER_22: And shout out to Matthew LaCroix.
• 2:37:46
  SPEAKER_22: Um, we're trying to get to the to the clip, to the thing here.
• 2:37:49
  SPEAKER_22: Somebody said uh trying to get to that in the live chat.
• 2:37:53
  SPEAKER_22: It's moving so fast.
• 2:37:55
  SPEAKER_22: There we go.
• 2:37:57
  SPEAKER_22: People will tell you.
• 2:37:58
  SPEAKER_22: Big love to Billy and Matt.
• 2:37:59
  SPEAKER_22: Shout out to Matthew LaCroix, the co-author of the book Epic of Humanity.
• 2:38:04
  SPEAKER_22: We wrote that book years ago.
• 2:38:06
  SPEAKER_22: That book became a bestseller.
• 2:38:07
  SPEAKER_22: It's considered an encyclopedia.
• 2:38:09
  SPEAKER_22: The Epic of Humanity.
• 2:38:12
  SPEAKER_22: It's on Amazon.
• 2:38:14
  SPEAKER_22: Go get that book.
• 2:38:15
  SPEAKER_22: It has the most ancient text of any book in one book.
• 2:38:19
  SPEAKER_22: And um the 4BK Academy.
• 2:38:24
  SPEAKER_22: There's a lot of people in the 4BK Academy in the live chat right now.
• 2:38:28
  SPEAKER_22: I'm teaching a lot of the mystery school teachings in the Forbidden Knowledge Academy.
• 2:38:33
  SPEAKER_22: There are 36 hours of mystery school teachings along with another 100 hour of teachings and classes inside of my Forbidden Knowledge Academy.
• 2:38:43
  SPEAKER_22: I just dropped a link in a live chat again.
• 2:38:46
  SPEAKER_22: I'd love for you to come and take a look at the academy and join the academy for free for seven days.
• 2:38:53
  SPEAKER_22: And go straight to the mystery school teachings.
• 2:38:56
  SPEAKER_22: Download my free ebooks in the academy.
• 2:39:01
  SPEAKER_22: If all you get are some mystery school teachings and free ebooks for no money, you won.
• 2:39:08
  SPEAKER_22: But you might stay.
• 2:39:10
  SPEAKER_22: If there's anybody in the live chat that's in the part of the 4BK Academy, you know, let them know in the live chat what you think about the academy.
• 2:39:19
  SPEAKER_22: I have built now 1,700 leaders in the Forbidden Knowledge Academy.
• 2:39:26
  SPEAKER_22: 1,700 leaders.
• 2:39:28
  SPEAKER_22: We don't build followers.
• 2:39:32
  SPEAKER_22: We don't develop followers.
• 2:39:34
  SPEAKER_22: We don't work with sheep.
• 2:39:37
  SPEAKER_22: We only build leaders.
• 2:39:38
  SPEAKER_22: The book is The Epic of Humanity.
• 2:39:43
  SPEAKER_22: I'm typing in the live chat.
• 2:39:49
  SPEAKER_22: It became a bestseller in three categories.
• 2:39:55
  SPEAKER_22: The Epic of Humanity by Billy Carson and Matthew LaCroix.
• 2:40:02
  SPEAKER_22: The Epic of Humanity.
• 2:40:04
  SPEAKER_22: If you can go to Amazon and grab a copy, that'd be great.
• 2:40:08
  SPEAKER_22: Please leave a five-star review and a great comment.
• 2:40:13
  SPEAKER_22: So there we go.
• 2:40:15
  SPEAKER_22: We have one here.
• 2:40:21
  SPEAKER_22: Jamila, it's amazing being in the 4BK Academy.
• 2:40:24
  SPEAKER_22: Appreciate that, Jamila.
• 2:40:26
  SPEAKER_22: I saw several other people we've been on for so many hours now.
• 2:40:30
  SPEAKER_22: Some of them have probably gone to sleep.
• 2:40:31
  SPEAKER_22: Zakia was in here, Anne Marie was in here.
• 2:40:35
  SPEAKER_22: So many people, Tony was in here.
• 2:40:36
  SPEAKER_22: So many people have been in here tonight from the Forbidden Knowledge Academy.
• 2:40:42
  SPEAKER_22: We have uh Enki join the academy.
• 2:40:47
  SPEAKER_22: Some great knowledge.
• 2:40:48
  SPEAKER_22: It's a must for what's happening now.
• 2:40:49
  SPEAKER_22: Thank you.
• 2:40:50
  SPEAKER_22: Appreciate that, Enki.
• 2:40:53
  SPEAKER_22: I just dropped a link in the live chat.
• 2:40:56
  SPEAKER_22: I'd love to see y'all over there.
• 2:40:58
  SPEAKER_22: I do private off the YouTube mentoring there.
• 2:41:03
  SPEAKER_22: QA's, Emerald Tablet workshops, and all of that, all in the academy, all private.
• 2:41:11
  SPEAKER_22: So you can click that link, you can register, and I'll see you in the academy.
• 2:41:16
  SPEAKER_22: Uh and uh between the live and the recordings, it's just popping.
• 2:41:21
  SPEAKER_22: 1,700 liters, all on the same frequency and vibration, looking to move towards the same goal: personal sovereignty, personal growth, and global growth of humanity on this planet.
• 2:41:37
  SPEAKER_22: Okay.
• 2:41:38
  SPEAKER_22: Thank y'all.
• 2:41:39
  SPEAKER_22: I'd appreciate y'all.
• 2:41:40
  SPEAKER_22: I love y'all.
• 2:41:40
  SPEAKER_22: I dropped the link one last time.
• 2:41:42
  SPEAKER_22: Thank you for hanging out so many hours tonight.
• 2:41:43
  SPEAKER_22: It's been a long one tonight.
• 2:41:45
  SPEAKER_22: A total of 2,000 in the live chat across all platforms.
• 2:41:50
  SPEAKER_22: I love y'all.
• 2:41:51
  SPEAKER_22: I appreciate y'all.
• 2:41:52
  SPEAKER_22: And I'll see you again soon.
• 2:41:53
  SPEAKER_22: Peace.