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What Makes a Good Dealer & Rare vs Iconic · Sports Card Clubhouse

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In our massive country, there are card collectors throughout
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the land participating in the hobby.
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There's Mike of Junk Wax Hero and Greg of Midlife Cards, and
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while distance may separate them, here is where they come
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together to talk cards. Hey buddy, another week down.
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We mixed things up. We changed our release day.
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How are you? I'm good.
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I am not passionate about being passionate though, really.
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I know, I know somebody who is. I do know someone who is as
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well. Every time I look in the mirror,
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I see him. I am.
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I love people that are passionate about things.
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Oh yeah? Well, how's that different than
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being passionate about being passionate?
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I'm just teasing you. I was.
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I was listening to your video yesterday while I was shaving my
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head last night. I do that.
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I do that. Yeah.
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And you said you were talking. I'm passionate about this and
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I'm passionate about that. I'm passionate about being
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passionate. And I burst out laughing.
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It was really funny. Oh, well, I I mean, you're
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welcome. Yeah.
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And I mean, since we talked last, I was on a plane, I had a
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flight get cancelled. I had another flight home.
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I, I, I spent several days with some of our favorite people in
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the community. Lot of time with Jeremy Lee, Joe
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Perot. Look at me and see it now I'm
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naming names and now I'm going to screw myself.
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So I'll just stop right there. Those of you that know that I
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hung out with you. I had a blast hanging out with
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you because otherwise I'll not say someone and then I won't be
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able to sleep tonight because that's the way I'm wired.
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But that show was fun. We had fun.
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Yeah, I would love to go. I hate flying to California.
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It's so long for me. It's just look at the beginning
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of the intro to our video. It's such a long flight.
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And I would go. I would go for you, Greg.
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Well, something I would think about for the future.
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I would go to see Tony. I would go to see Jeremy Lee.
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I like Mike Petty. I think Mike Petty is a friggin
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riot. But so I guess strong
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dependence. I I think that's what we're
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calling it now. I.
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Don't know. Some people call it
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Independenceville. I like strong dependence.
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There's kind of this movement I've heard behind the scenes of
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people saying since Strongsville changed this year, maybe we'll
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do a different show every year, where this year it's Strong
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Dependents, next year it's the Philly show, then you go to the
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Dallas Card Show, and then you kind of get this variety of
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shows and variety of areas and variety of foods.
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Quite frankly, that's one of my favorite things about traveling
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is getting the local fare. Yeah, I mean, I'm open to a lot.
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The part of my problem is that the the national, I want to
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bring a budget to the national. And right now Strongsville is,
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you know, three months before it.
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So if I do any sort of damage there, then it really dives into
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my national budget. And then, you know, this show in
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Ontario is in February every year, early February.
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And it's sort of like you could go February and then late July
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is kind of like a good spacing. But I love hanging out with,
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there's so many people I love hanging out with.
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And I'm not a social person. I mean, I, I never go out with
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friends ever. So what I do is I'll just go,
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OK, this weekend is friend weekend.
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And then I do that and then I come home and then I'm, I'm a
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hermit again. So I'm open to a lot of things,
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but but getting on a plane more than twice a year is probably
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not something I'll do every year like I'm going to be doing this
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year. I have not quite booked my
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national flight yet. I am.
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I was looking today. I almost What days are you going
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to go to the National? You know, I might go longer this
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year. I think last year I was like
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Wednesday to Saturday maybe and I might add an extra day this
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year because I felt in, in the first year I went, the second
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year I went, the first year I flew, I was there too long and
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it was I think Wednesday to Sunday.
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But I also didn't know many people.
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I didn't, I wasn't invited to anything.
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And so I felt like it was just, you know, the show, too much of
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the show. But then this past year I got
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invited to a lot of stuff and felt like it it was too much for
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the short time I was there. And I might I might add a day
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this year. I'm kind of in the same place
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except I might add a day and a half because I was looking at
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flights and if I fly in Wednesday I get in too late.
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So I think it might be better if I fly in Tuesday night and then
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I want to be there when some of my friends are going to be
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there. And there are some people that
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are only there on the weekend. It's like last year my buddy
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Dave was there on the weekend and I, I didn't even get to see
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him. You know, I don't know.
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I don't know what I'm going to do I, I, I don't know, I'm
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probably going to go Wednesday to Sunday and leave Sunday
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morning is probably what I'm going to end up doing.
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Ask some of my buddies and some of my other buddies and and they
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were saying kind of basically what you just said.
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So maybe I just bite the I mean, it's not like I have work that
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time of year. I'm just, I'm off.
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So but I like being home. Like I really like being home
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and I really get in my own bed and I like my shower.
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I don't like other people's showers.
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I like, you know, it's I'm a disaster.
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You don't want to know the things that that are always
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working through my mind. Greg, I have, and I think
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Dustin, not Dustin. Oh man, Dylan's going to be so
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mad at me. I think Dylan has talked about
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how much anxiety he gets leaving home, and I'm the same way.
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I'm probably not to the same extent based on how he described
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his, but I don't. I don't want to go out.
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I don't want to be away from home.
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I love being home and I do. I'm a lunch guy, so when I'm
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getting together with friends, it's for lunch.
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It's always lunch. I'm very comfortable doing
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lunch. We do lunch, lunch once a month.
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That's the three guys I'm closest with.
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And then my friend Jeremy from childhood, we get together, he
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lives 2 1/2 hours away from me. So we get together once every, I
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don't know, three months or so for lunch.
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Like we're getting together on Saturday for, for ramen at a
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ramen bar. But yeah, I, I feel the same
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way. My, my wife doesn't like it when
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I leave. My 16 year old doesn't like it
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when I leave. So I don't travel much because I
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feel the same way. Dylan, by the way, I mean, I got
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to hang out with Dylan. You know, he came out because
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he's from the LA area. And so he came out to this, this
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show this last weekend. Man, that guy is got energy.
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He's he's a little dude and he's full of life.
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And he says he messages me when he gets home and he goes, yeah,
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man, it was nice finally meeting you in person.
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I'm like Dylan, we hung out for like 3 days at the Cleveland
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National. Like what are you talking about?
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But that shows you how memorable I am.
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By the way, if we, if we can just rave about Dylan for a
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minute, everybody there's, there are a lot of people that are
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pretty polarizing in the, in this, this community, right?
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There's nobody is liked by everybody except Dylan.
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There's very few people that everybody likes, but who who
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could not like Dylan? I don't know.
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I mean, well, you could say that about Orlando.
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True Orlando. So there's Orlando and and I'm
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I'm starting to find out that I'm not as well liked as I
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thought I was. But here we go.
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No, no, it's fine. It's I know.
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Yes, I, I think that Dylan is very likable and Orlando is as
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likable as anyone I've ever met. But yes, you're right.
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I think the majority of people have something about them that
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is polarizing to a certain degree to at least some of the
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community. And there are, if I'm being
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honest, there are, there are things about me that that I
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could see people not liking and, and we don't have to talk about
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this here, but there are, there are no, I'm serious.
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There are some specific things about my channel that I could
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see would be a turn off for certain people.
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Like it's not so. It's one of my favorites and
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you're one of my favorite people, Greg.
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I appreciate it. I like you very much too.
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I mean, you're OK. You're OK.
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Thanks. But yeah, Dylan got some cool
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stuff. He showed it for the first time
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already on his channel. He got a really cool.
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I have used. Kahanamoku card, which is super
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rare. Surfer.
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Surfer, right? Yeah.
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He's like the godfather of surfing.
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Really Hawaiian. He won an Olympic medal in
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swimming and is like a legendary surfer from Hawaii.
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And it was funny because you know Rick of Rick's vintage
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oddball cards, who knows as much about any of all the sets of
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anybody I have ever met him. I mean, him and Mangini know so
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much. I was sitting next to Rick at
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the show and he looks into the case and he goes, that card
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right there, there's not more than a handful of copies of that
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in existence. And I'm like, I never even heard
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of it. I've never, I, I don't even know
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what that is, you know? And so Dylan bought this Duke
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card and he showed it to Rick at dinner.
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We had this big dinner, like 20 guys were hanging out.
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And Rick goes, what's that from? I've, I've never seen that set.
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Dylan's like, oh, it's a bunch of different sports.
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It's not just surfing. It's like, and Rick, so Rick
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literally sat there on his phone for like an hour, like
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researching the set, 'cause he's like, this is a set I don't know
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of, I need to learn about it. And it was, it was pretty cool.
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But yeah, so enough about that. All right, now you had a topic
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and then I have a couple. We'll see what we all get to.
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So your topic, why don't you first present your topic and and
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cuz you mentioned it to me about 5 minutes ago and I immediately
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had an answer. So go ahead.
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OK, so this morning before work, I woke up bright and early like
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I like to, and I listen to you and Darren return to collecting
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on the Return to Collecting channel.
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By the way, I didn't watch it on yours interview Garrett from
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ballpark memories and I'm a I'm a big Garrett fan.
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I bought a Clemente rookie off of Garrett at the National last
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year. And, and I hate calling him a
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kid 'cause he's 23, but he's, he's a kid relative to us.
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And he seems like a really good kid.
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And he's, he knows so much about cards and he deals almost
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exclusively in vintage. And as I sit in there listening
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to him, really just kind of like volleying your questions back
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and you were asking him really good questions, you and Darren,
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I was like, man, I've always thought to be a good dealer, you
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need to know a lot about sports, the sports that you're a dealer
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of the history of those sports. And I don't know that Garrett
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does. And I've, I'm now convinced that
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you don't need to in Garrett's case.
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And I'm not saying, again, I'm not saying he doesn't know about
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the sport, but it feels like he can get away with knowing a lot
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about which players sell and just if he's flipping them for
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low profit. And I don't know that he is.
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Again, I'm just this got me thinking like if he buys a card
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for $800 and he sells it for 840 really quickly, he can do that a
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lot and make a lot of money. And it, it just made me think,
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what does it take to be a good dealer?
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I'm I'm curious for your thoughts.
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I think you you just touched on at least a piece of it and and I
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think if you think about any reseller, what makes any
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reseller not just cards cars even what makes this used car
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dealership better than this used car dealership?
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Now, obviously they've got to have a personality.
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They need to be likable. That kind of goes without,
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right? That all has goes without
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saying. I think the core thing that
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makes a good dealer is thin margins.
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Because if you have a thin margin, that means your price is
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priced to sell, it's not priced to sit, and it means that you're
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paying up for good inventory, which means you're going to get
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good inventory because you're a place that people want to sell.
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This is such a great answer. If you say I just, I'm just
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trying to get a 510% margin, then people are going to want to
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sell to you because you pay up and people are going to buy from
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you because you're not overpriced.
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And so I think Garrett is pretty good at that.
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Now, Garrett also did share a few examples, however, about
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times where there was a card where he paid way over comp
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because the card was worthy of paying way over comp.
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And then he charged way over comp because he also understands
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that buying a forever copy of a card is worth paying up for.
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And and he knows when he sees a card in a case, it's a forever
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copy, he'll pay really strong on it because it means that he's
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going to be able to get a good amount for it.
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But thin margins just like you know, CarMax, I don't know if
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they have CarMax in Maine, but they basically pay more than
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other dealerships to buy your car and they have a non
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negotiable price, which is usually pretty strong when you
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when you're on the sticker when you're looking for the car.
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And so they're just doing volume.
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The volume dealers who are thin margins, I think those are the
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guys that are doing that, that are the best dealers.
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Yeah, the I appeal movement will destroy the comps movement.
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It's not even going to be close. I will gladly pay.
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Up to three years ago, I was saying I don't want to pay over
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comps. But I've had a bit of a
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revelation that if you want the card, the best copy of the card,
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specially in vintage, really almost exclusively in vintage,
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you have to pay over comps for it.
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And if you don't, then you're going to get left behind.
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And you know, you think about there are a lot of dealers out
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there, thousands of dealers out there.
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I mean, you and I both are, have seen them at shows where they
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bought a card for $800 like I mentioned, and they thought,
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they think to themselves, I'm going to buy it for 800.
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I think I can get 1200 for this. And then people come along and
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they offer them 1000. People offer them 1100.
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And they say no because they're locked into what they think they
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can get for it. And instead of selling it at
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this nice 2025% profit, they're rejecting the quick profit.
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And then it sits and it sits and it collects dust.
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And now all of a sudden they've got this piece of inventory that
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they can't sell because they've they will not sell it for lower.
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And when you're smart, you'll take that small profit because
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somebody wants it quickly. Yeah, and and it's also fresh
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money to buy fresh stuff and and new inventory.
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I mean, you know, their dealers were like you look in their case
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and I don't want to name any in particular, but there are some
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dealers where I, I went to Strongsville and I looked
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through their cases and then I went to their cases at the
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National and 90% of it was the same stuff.
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And you're like, I mean, OK, you know, but have you thought that
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maybe why is that happening? You know, fresh inventory is
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key. It's like, so I was really
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disappointed. I went to the Burbank card shop
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in their previous location to the one they're in now, and they
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had what I thought was brilliant, which was every day
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of the week they had a case. So they had the Monday inventory
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buys case, Tuesday inventory buys case, Wednesday, Thursday
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first said 7 cases. And that day of the week they
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would, they would put all the new inventory in there and then
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they'd take all the stuff that hadn't sold over the previous
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six days and it went into the regular cases.
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And so whenever anybody came in the shop, the 1st place they
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went were since the last time they had been to the shop, those
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cases 'cause that was new inventory.
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I thought it was brilliant. And then I went into the the new
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location and they they aren't doing that.
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And I'm like, that was such a smart move because what it does
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is it gets people to come in frequently to your shop to see
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what the new stuff is. And when Garrett and Ash and
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these guys are posting pictures of their new pickups, it, it
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keeps you, oh, I got to refresh, refresh, refresh, refresh
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because you don't want to miss the new pick up.
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It's the same thing with your saved searches on eBay.
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And so fresh inventory, I think is vital.
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Yeah, another great, another guy who does this very, very well is
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Matt from Providence. And both of these guys,
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interestingly, are fairly new dealers, you know, last four or
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five years dealers and they study the industry, they study
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the market and they're not constrained by old thinking.
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Set in their ways, that's what you're trying to say.
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Set in their ways, Sure. There are some dealers at the
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National very, very set in their ways, right and.
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They're grandfathered in, which is in my opinion that's a
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mistake of the National to just let the same guys come every
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single year. There should be a how much, how
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much inventory did you turn over kind of metric that and I it
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would be impossible for them to prove it, of course, and it
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would never work, but there's got to be something that they
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can do. I don't know.
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The concern is, as a vintage collector is that that might
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kill off vintage at the National.
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It's the stuff that's just turning and turning and turning.
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I mean, and that you know, I, I didn't have super high
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expectations for this Ontario show, this West Coast card show,
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I was expecting it to be almost all modern and a lot of Pokémon.
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There was not a lot of Pokémon. There was maybe, maybe 10% of
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the tables were exclusively Pokémon, and then a few had a
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smattering. It was.
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Yeah, and, and I would say maybe 25% of the tables were vintage
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or had a good amount of vintage. And yeah.
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And, and it was also cool because these aren't guys I'd
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ever seen their inventory before.
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They're not guys that go to the National or Strongsville.
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They're, you know, they're Southwest guys and they don't go
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to the National stuff. And so it was my first time
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seeing some of their inventory. And I'm just like, these guys
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have some really good stuff. It was, it was just cool because
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I felt like. It's like the first time you
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play a golf course and you're like, oh, what's the next hole
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going to look like? Because you've never played it.
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You don't know what it's like. You know, it's like, it's like
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every turn, every time you, you step on a tee, you're you're
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excited to see what is ahead. That's what it felt like at a
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show where you've never seen these dealers before.
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It's very. Cool.
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Yeah, that's great. Anything that we're missing on
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what makes a good dealer? And then I have a a slight
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follow up question in the same vein when you're after you
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respond to that. Well, I, I think I know what the
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question is. You don't.
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OK, Well, a good dealer would be some also Chris Sewell who
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sponsors surface issues, the best dealer in my opinion that's
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out there. He will buy your collection or
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parts of your collection and give you a very, very fair
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percentage of the value and he will explain to you how he gets
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to it. You can reach out to Chris at
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sewellsportscards@gmail.com. That's via e-mail.
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You can also go to our website, sportscardclubhouse.com and go
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to partners. How does that work yet?
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Partners. And then he's there and you can
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click there and, and e-mail him, go to his website.
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Chris is the best dealer out there.
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We didn't mention him as part of that because I was going to get
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to this part of it. And he is, you know, those guys
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we mentioned are amazing. Chris is #1.
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Pay again. Again, Pay strong, doesn't
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overcharge, doesn't overprice. He wants to move stuff thin
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margins. It's interesting because the the
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website that you always quote is different, or I'm sorry, the
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e-mail address that you always quote for Chris is different
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than the e-mail address that I always quote because I quote the
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one on his website, whichischris@collectorinvestordealer.com.
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Well, that works too, I'm sure. Yeah, that's interesting.
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He must have just changed it recently, but he tells me to put
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to say chrissewellsportscards@gmail.com.
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And then also at the top right here in on his page, which again
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in partners you click on learn more under Chris's picture here
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and it takes you to his website and there's a link to his eBay
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store, his Com C store, all that kind of stuff too.
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So. That's an old photo.
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The the other one is an old photo from when he was in the
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Netherlands I think. That one.
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No, the first photo you showed, I think it's in this.
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Yeah, this is off of his website.
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It looks like he's in two places at once there.
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That's very talented. Yeah.
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See, this is what he does. Yeah.
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He's he's everywhere, Yeah. Only present.
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OK, so my follow, what do you think my follow up question was?
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It was going to be a lead in to the Chris.
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Oh, OK. My question is the same question
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I asked yesterday to Garrett over on return to collecting on
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the the off Topic, which is when you enter a show, do you
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specifically have a specific dealer that you want to go to
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1st or do you have, I'm just going to take this route or do
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you do a scan for a certain card?
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What? What are the 1st 30 minutes of
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the National look like for you? Well, the National is very
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different. Let's let's go to Shriners for a
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second. Shriners is a big regional show
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in just north of Boston that I go to and I love it.
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It's there's a lot of vintage, a lot of really good dealers.
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First person I go to now, the last two times I've been there
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is Matt from Providence. He's got banger upon banger upon
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banger. And it was easy this year 'cause
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he was right in the entryway, but the last time or two he was
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way in the back, kind of in the middle.
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So it was, you know, you to get to him first, I had to skip over
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a lot of other good dealers. But then I also go to PB
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Collectibles, which is Paul Borges out of Newport, RI, who
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has the best shop in New England, in my opinion, which
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I'm hoping to go to again this summer.
24:09
And then I'll go to Don's Sports Card Center from Portland, ME.
24:13
And then I'll make my way around at the National.
24:16
I don't know where I'm going at any point in the National, as
24:19
you probably learned, as we did, that search for the, excuse me,
24:23
the the rapper together. I have.
24:25
There's never a point in time when I'm at the National I.
24:29
Was rapping. Yeah, there's never a point in
24:32
time at the National where I know where I am.
24:36
Really, I'm very directionally oriented, I believe.
24:40
I'm not. I'm the opposite.
24:41
I'm very directionally challenged.
24:43
I used to before Google Maps, I would call my dad and I would
24:47
say, hey, I'm at this place. I just passed a a Home Depot.
24:51
How do I get to 9595 is the main road from here and he would
24:56
laugh at me every time for years he would laugh and he'd be like,
24:58
hey, do this and do that. I would have no idea.
25:00
And I still I use Google Maps going places.
25:02
I've been dozens of times. I'm kind of a freak in a certain
25:08
way where I'm, it's just something that I'm, I'm good at.
25:12
I, I'm, it's hard for me to say that I'm good at something
25:15
though. But all right, here is my
25:18
question for you. So this came up today.
25:20
Well, I came up yesterday and then it carried over to today.
25:23
Well, what's your answer to that question?
25:25
What was the question? I forgot where do I go first?
25:29
Yeah. I kind of run around like my
25:34
hair's on fire. There are a few dealers that I
25:41
really like their inventory and I know that their prices aren't
25:46
crazy and so I do tend to want to go to those particular
25:50
dealers first. I really like Tim Paine.
25:54
Is that where we had the the Ty Cobb T2O6 that we both wanted?
26:00
See the guy? No, no, that's Geller.
26:06
Andy. Andy Geller.
26:08
But do you remember that situation, though, where you
26:11
were like you were describing where it was and you asked me
26:13
where mine was and I was like, yeah, I have no idea where mine
26:15
was. Yeah, I do remember that.
26:17
Right, that's me. Once I've left a table, if I've
26:20
gotten 30 feet away I will have no idea where that table was.
26:24
So there was a card, there was a card at the show this last week
26:27
and that I was really close to. I mean, I, I now regret not
26:30
buying it. OK.
26:32
And I was really close to it. And I go, I'm not going to
26:34
remember where this is. So I literally turned to my
26:37
right, took a picture, turned to my right again, took a picture,
26:40
turn to my right again, took a picture, and then took a picture
26:42
of the booth. And then I was like, well, I
26:44
could be able to triangulate where this is based on these
26:48
photos. So Tim, Tim Paine I like a lot.
26:53
I like Ash a lot. I like Stan.
26:56
Stan's prices can be a little rough.
27:00
You know, I like Chapel stuff. But sometimes his prices, well,
27:05
his prices have been fair to you.
27:06
I don't know. I don't, I don't know what I do.
27:09
That's why I like Strongsville is because everything's right
27:11
there. Yeah, that's why I like Shriners
27:14
because it's all super easy. You walk in, it's one huge room.
27:18
Just like the National two years ago was really easy for me
27:21
because it was 2 huge rooms and one of the rooms was the
27:26
corporate stuff and one of them was the tables.
27:29
But at at Shriners, you walk in, it's one huge rum and it's just
27:32
row upon row, row. One room.
27:36
One row, one rum. One rum, Yeah.
27:38
That's right. You call them rums and I call
27:40
them rooms. So, OK, so this happened.
27:45
I was looking at Garrett's website
27:46
yesterdayballparkmemories.com and, and I can even pull the
27:50
card up real quick. In fact, I'm going to do that.
27:53
I'm going to pull the card up because I think it will help me
27:57
with explaining this a little bit a little bit better.
28:02
All right, watch it Here comes it.
28:03
So if you are listening at home, you are missing out.
28:06
If you are watching, you are seeing what I'm looking at.
28:09
OK, so we've got this this K this page front page on his
28:14
website, just awesome stuff. He's got some cracker Jacks and
28:18
caramel cards and stuff. And I look at these cards right
28:22
here and I look at this red roof and I say, man, it's a beautiful
28:30
red Ruth card. It's in a 1.5.
28:33
It's got a great front to it. That card should be more than
28:38
$9800. I'm like, what am I missing?
28:41
So then I look at the back and I'll, I'll click on it.
28:45
So then I look at the, I look at go, this is beautiful card.
28:49
And then I look at the back and I go, OK, it's, it's definitely
28:53
got either, I don't know if that's paste that's there looks
28:57
kind of like paste to me or if it's an eraser or something.
29:01
But again, it's back damage. So who really cares?
29:05
This is a gorgeous card. And I'm like, why?
29:08
Why is it so cheap? What am I missing?
29:12
I'm missing something. It's 9800 bucks.
29:14
That should be like a, a $13,000 card.
29:19
And then I go, oh, it's a worldwide gum.
29:23
It's not a Goudy. OK, so that's the reason.
29:28
But then I, I, I started thinking about, I'm like, but
29:32
worldwide gums are much rarer than Goudy's.
29:36
It's just the. Canadian version, it's less
29:39
iconic. So you've it's sort of like the
29:42
O peachy versus the tops. Now correct me if I'm wrong, but
29:48
don't O peachy usually sell for a little bit more than tops.
29:53
Because they're rarer, yes, but it's also a more well known
29:56
brand. It is interesting to me that
30:03
this rarer copy of the identical image would be, I mean, it, it,
30:11
it's sort of like, OK, what's a more well known brand, Drum or
30:16
Piedmont? It's the Piedmont is a more well
30:20
known brand, but the drum is much rarer.
30:23
So it's way more expensive, way more expensive than a Piedmont.
30:28
And so to me, the front is the same, just like AT2O6, but it
30:33
was printed in a different location just like AT2O6.
30:37
And it's a rarer copy like a drum versus a Piedmont.
30:40
So I'm like, why in the heck now?
30:42
Now, I also have to say that when I was a kid growing up, the
30:46
Opecchi were far less desirable than the tops.
30:51
They were cheaper by maybe 70% of the value of the tops, just
30:57
like these worldwide gums sell for about 75 to 85% of the cost
31:03
of the Gaudi, even though they're significantly rarer.
31:07
So my question is, what do you think about that?
31:14
I, I want to say it wouldn't matter to me, but I think it
31:19
would because Gaudi is a more desirable brand.
31:22
It's a more well known brand, It's a, it's a more iconic
31:26
brand. The the Gaudi 33 Gaudi is one of
31:29
the greatest sets of all time, and Worldwide Gum doesn't have
31:35
that same cache. But but if if if there were two
31:42
68 tops Nolan Ryans sitting side by side and 1 was a tops or 68
31:52
Nolan Ryans and one was a you know, Venezuelan and one was a
31:57
tops and tops is much more iconic and widely desirable, the
32:03
Venezuelan would be way more expensive, right?
32:06
True, yeah, I'm just trying to come up with an answer.
32:08
I don't actually know the answer, I'm just speculating.
32:11
So I literally, I'm in a text group that has Adam Dillon, Theo
32:21
and John Mangini. And I basically asked this
32:24
question just because I wanted to hear what John Mangini said.
32:28
In fact, I asked the question I said in parentheses this
32:31
question is really for Mangini and he said the same reason the
32:37
Opechee used to sell for less in the old days.
32:40
No one wanted Canadian issues even though they were more rare.
32:44
Plus if you were working on a 33 Gaudi set, many would want to
32:48
stick with the Gaudi's. That could easily change once
32:52
people catch on more. And I said so basically because
32:57
people are stupid. And he said you got it.
33:01
I think if I were in a text group with Mangini like that and
33:05
somebody threw out a question about vintage, a funny gag would
33:09
be to respond really quickly with the dumbest and most wrong
33:14
possible answer and and just to hopefully get him riled.
33:18
Up and get his head exploding, like you'd say, You'd say why
33:21
the World War gun would go well, because that's a sticker, you
33:25
know? And he would be like, no, it's
33:27
not. What are you talking about?
33:30
Yeah, that would be funny. Perfect.
33:33
OK, so let me let me ask you a slightly different question.
33:36
I'll get this off the screen now.
33:39
OK, so let's Fast forward 10 years because with O Peachy,
33:44
with Milton Bradley, with Venezuelans, with all these
33:47
other things, the the drum back, you know, the American beauty
33:51
back versus the sweet cat back. It it seems like there's been
33:56
this domino of everything when it's rarer but the same but
34:01
rarer. It seems like the rarer has been
34:07
passing up the value of the more frequently, you know, frequent
34:13
examples. There's let's Fast forward 10
34:16
years. Do you think it's possible or do
34:19
you think it's likely that the worldwide gum will be worth more
34:22
than the Gowdy's? There's one way to find out
34:25
Greg. It's for you to buy that one.
34:26
Offer him like 9200 and in 10 years it could be worth $30,000.
34:32
When the Gaudi is worth 20, I think you should do it.
34:38
I mean, I'm not going to lie if if he still has that at
34:41
Strongsville, I'm going to give it a good look.
34:45
Wow. I'm serious.
34:48
I'm going to give it a if that example.
34:50
Now I I'm in a place in my life where I can't buy a nine or
34:56
$10,000 card. Without running by your wife.
35:03
I can't buy a nine or $10,000 card unless I'm holding it in my
35:07
hand. I just can't.
35:09
That's have. You Have you ever bought a nine
35:11
or $10,000 card? The most expensive card I've
35:14
ever bought was at last year's National my my Red Cob and it
35:19
was $5000. Can you see increasing that by
35:24
80%? Like the most I've ever spent on
35:26
a car was 1100 and I can't see going to, I guess I could see
35:32
going to 1900. OK, I'm with you.
35:36
Yes, I I think I absolutely could see myself at Strongsville
35:42
buying a $10,000 card. I really do.
35:46
I could see it. Wow, I could see it.
35:50
By the way, I. Mean it has to be the right card
35:51
and it has to be the right thing.
35:53
Yeah. But that card, that card I would
35:58
be interested in. Now let's say, let's Fast
36:01
forward like you say, one year and that card has taken off, as
36:05
we've seen a lot of cards do, and all of a sudden it's worth
36:08
$14,000 one year after you bought it.
36:12
Would you sell it? $14,000 in added value.
36:19
No. Oh, I went to 14,000.
36:22
Yeah. Well, I have had times even
36:25
recently where I bought a card and it became worth so much more
36:31
that I had to sell it. So I, I, I wouldn't, but then
36:38
they weren't forever cards. They weren't like owning a Babe
36:42
Ruth card. So I don't know.
36:47
I mean, it's sort of like our buddy, you know, Adam the the
36:51
the third a leg on the stool of the sports card clubhouse, the.
36:56
Most important, like. By far and the best looking one
37:02
the the he bought that PSA 1081 tops Larry Bird.
37:09
And then during the peak it went to like $40,000 and he's like, I
37:15
like this card, but it's $40,000.
37:18
So he sold it about a 52 mantle. I mean, what are we doing?
37:25
So everything is always for sale at a certain price outside of
37:31
just a couple of things. I, I, it would, it would be like
37:36
ripping my heart out. So if it went from 10,000 to
37:41
14,000 that, that I don't think that would be enough to pry it
37:45
away from me. But if it went from 10,000 to
37:48
20,000, maybe. OK, here's another question for
37:54
you. This is going to be fun for you.
37:55
It's just this is an, this is a, an audible here.
38:02
We've got 2 cards side by side here.
38:04
OK, these two, let's look at the middle 2.
38:08
They're both PSA twos. They both have similar serial
38:11
numbers, OK, between those two cards, they're both beautiful,
38:17
by the way. I would, I, I mean, again, if
38:21
those cards were in Strongsville, I would consider
38:23
buying one of those too. These two cards, which one
38:26
here's the back of the right and the back of the left.
38:31
Which of these two would you rather have?
38:39
I would go with the right because the centering is better.
38:44
I would have to see them in hand because the left has much better
38:47
coloring, but that is less important to me than the
38:53
centering. 'Cause you put.
38:55
You put the one on the right without the one on the left, and
38:58
you can't tell as easily that the coloring isn't as good, but
39:01
you can always tell that centering is bad.
39:04
Because this is I mean, this I literally stumbled across as
39:07
showing you the Ruth, but I'm like, it's the same card with
39:11
the same grade with the same serial number era with the same
39:15
price on the same website. They're very they have so much
39:20
in common, but they are definitely distinctly different
39:23
cards. And I could see a lot of people
39:25
going, Oh, that yellow on the left.
39:27
Yeah, for sure. And there's.
39:28
No, wrong. The one on the right looks kind
39:31
of a little bit more like pea soup, right?
39:33
It's almost like a green. There's no raw back.
39:36
The back on the right is super clean.
39:39
I. Mean this is a beautiful this is
39:40
a wonderful podcast episode where we're looking at an image
39:44
and talking about it as nobody can see it.
39:47
And then on the left, there's some staining on the back, but
39:51
the color is better. So the person who's into
39:55
centering and is into no staining would probably go to
39:59
the right, but the person who's into the bright color would
40:03
probably go to the left. Yeah.
40:06
I think so. I think I would take the one on
40:08
the right as well though. Yeah, it's it's tough.
40:15
So I bought a card off Leighton Sheldon at the National last
40:18
year. It was a Steph Curry 2009 tops
40:22
rookie card, not Chrome, just the tops.
40:25
I paid 8. 100 gone way up. I paid $800.00 for it which is a
40:29
lot for me. It's APSA 8 and at the time the
40:32
comps were in the low to mid 8 hundreds and so he gave me a
40:36
very fair price at 800 and it is now worth.
40:41
Recent sales are all over 15101. Sold this week for I think
40:48
$1800. In six months it is more than
40:53
doubled in value. Do you sell?
40:57
Yes. That card I sell because it is
41:00
so easy to replace that card. It is so.
41:05
And for guys who have very, very meager budgets like us, you
41:12
know. We don't have very, very meager
41:16
budgets I would call. OK, I do.
41:18
No, we have a pretty. You've spent 5000.
41:21
Yeah, that's true. We have decent budgets, but
41:24
we're not. We're very average guys.
41:27
Yeah, Yeah. That's a good way of putting it.
41:29
We're average guys and we're talking about adding like $800
41:35
cash to the war chest. That is a that is a major shot
41:41
in the arm. So this card, the one that he
41:44
sold me, looks like a 10. I, I don't know.
41:47
When I look at it, I don't know why it's not a Nine or A10.
41:51
I think if I were to put it in CIA it would sell for over
41:54
$2000. Really.
41:57
But I love it and it's a for me, it's a foreverish card and I
42:02
have to put that ish at the end of it because Steph Curry's one
42:06
of my all time favorites. It's a rookie card.
42:09
He's one of the five greatest basketball players of all time.
42:13
So. Did top, did you say top five?
42:17
Yeah, and I don't think there's any reason other than the market
42:22
coming down that that card will decline in value very much.
42:27
He's not going to win a championship this year.
42:29
So why has it skyrocketed so much?
42:31
It's because it's so iconic. Now, just to make sure we're on
42:37
the same page, because I saw the card, but it's, it's this card
42:41
right here, right? That's the one in an 8, yeah.
42:44
And if we look at the population on that card.
42:47
It's high. There's like 10.
42:52
Thousand of them that are an 8 or higher.
42:55
I mean. Population doesn't matter when
43:05
demand far outpaces the population.
43:08
It matters, of course, but it's not.
43:10
Look at the Jordan. Look how many Jordan PSA ones
43:15
and above there are. And they still sell for
43:18
outrageous money. Because he's globally iconic,
43:21
and so is Steph Curry. The base card.
43:26
Is also a very low print run year of tops.
43:31
That's true. That's true.
43:36
My computer's freezing. I don't know if I'm freezing,
43:39
but oh, there we go. I just finally, finally kicked
43:42
through. Good grief, I would sell it.
43:45
You're asking me now I But that's stupid for me to say
43:48
because you just said you love it.
43:50
Should you sell something you love just to take the money?
43:53
No, you shouldn't do that. You shouldn't sell it.
43:56
Don't sell it. I'm not selling it.
43:58
I was just curious what you would do and.
43:59
Oh, I would sell. I love Curry.
44:02
I love Steph Curry. I love Steph Curry.
44:08
Maybe the second most popular basketball player in basketball
44:12
history. Say that one more time.
44:15
Maybe the second most popular, third most popular basketball
44:19
globally in basketball history. Jordan obviously number one.
44:22
Then you could say Kobe, maybe Curry globally.
44:26
Curry's right there. Yeah, that would be a
44:31
interesting conversation on on who that would be.
44:35
I mean, you're right about Kobe I think.
44:38
I think Shaq is pretty popular. I think Doctor J is with a
44:42
generation above us, but not globally because the game wasn't
44:45
global then. Is LeBron Dirk Dirk?
44:49
Was really pot LeBron? Yeah, I don't know.
44:53
Somebody down below will tell us that the guy we're not thinking
44:55
of, I mean, Steph, changed the game forever and he is a Family
45:02
Guy. He doesn't get into trouble.
45:04
He's not a pain in the butt. He does trick shots and long
45:09
distance shots and he does crazy.
45:11
He's it's, he's awesome. I love him.
45:14
I love him. I hate that he beat my Celtics
45:16
in the Finals. Yeah.
45:20
All right. Well, this was fun. 45 minutes
45:23
in and we covered, I mean, just about everything as far as I can
45:26
tell. So yeah.
45:28
Except when you every time you said Red Ruth, I was thinking
45:32
about the the kid from The Shining saying Rad Rose.
45:36
Rad Rose. I never saw The Shining.
45:39
Greg. You like horror movies and scary
45:42
stuff? I like being happy.
45:45
I'm happy when I watch a horror movie.
45:47
I'm not. I'm miserable.
45:49
I'm going. When is this going to end?
45:52
The late the the late Dawson Leary, he he made a horror
45:58
movie, didn't he? And the show the Dawson's Creek.
46:02
Dawson Leary. I've never watched Dawson's
46:06
Creek. Do you know James Bowen?
46:08
Vanderbeek was his character's name Dawson Leary.
46:10
Yeah, I was a big Joey Potter guy.
46:12
Oh yeah, Joey who's? Oh, that's Jennifer.
46:16
No Katie Holmes. Oh, oh, right, right, right,
46:20
right, right. When I I was their age when that
46:23
was going up and I'm like, Katie, you just need to run into
46:25
me at the airport, you know what I'm saying?
46:27
Did. You ever see her in the movie
46:28
The Gift? No.
46:31
OK. Is this bad?
46:34
Can I tell you a story? I got to tell you a story real
46:37
quick. This has nothing to do with
46:39
cards. OK, Yeah.
46:41
Is that cool? Yeah.
46:43
So when I was like 19, I went to Honolulu and I went to Oahu,
46:53
the, the island that Honolulu and Waikiki are on.
46:56
And we were like, what are we going to do?
46:58
And so my my dad, it was me, my dad, my brother, three of us,
47:01
Honolulu and and Waikiki and all that.
47:04
And, and we all picked one thing to do while we were there.
47:08
And my brother said, I think it would nothing would be more
47:11
Hawaiian than to go to see Don Ho.
47:15
OK, so Don Ho, who's, you know, Mr. Hawaii, we go to the Don Ho
47:21
show and he says, hey, yeah, I want to, I want to bring my
47:24
daughter out to sing a couple of songs.
47:27
And she's this beautiful Hawaiian girl named Hoku.
47:32
OK is Don Ho's daughter Hoku? I mean, she's beautiful.
47:37
And she's like my age. And I'm, I'm watching this girl.
47:41
I'm like, man, this girl is something else, I'll tell ya.
47:45
And I, so she performed a couple of songs well afterwards, after
47:50
the show, 'cause it was this little place it, there was
47:53
probably 50 people in the whole room with them singing.
47:57
Afterwards there's like a little foyer area where they kind of
48:01
were just, you know, people were exiting into and Don Ho's out
48:06
there like talking to people and Hoku's out there and I'm like,
48:10
this girl is hot. And I'm sitting there with my
48:16
brother and I look over at at Hoku and she's like, she's
48:19
giving me the eye, dude. Like Hoku is giving me the eye
48:25
and and I'm like, I'm thinking of myself.
48:28
I don't say anything, but I'm like, Hoku, I think is kind of
48:31
giving me the eye. And this is Hoku.
48:34
There's Hoku right here. She's I mean, she's beautiful.
48:37
And my, my brother goes, dude, Hoku is checking you out.
48:42
I'm like, I think she is, she is checking me out.
48:47
And so my brother's like, you got to go talk to her.
48:49
You got to go talk to her. I said no and I ran away and I
48:54
never talked to her again. But like 6 months later she had
48:57
like was all over MTV. She had her own music video.
49:02
And I was like. Rats.
49:04
That was my chance. Rats.
49:09
What do you think about that? She's beautiful.
49:12
That's the one that got away. Megan and my wife can't hear me,
49:16
so we're good. I've never had one get away.
49:21
Really. I was I was never when I was
49:26
young. My wife and I started dating
49:28
when we were 21 and there was never a woman who was giving me
49:31
eyes before my wife. Shut up.
49:35
Whatever. No, it didn't happen.
49:38
All right, but there you go. Hoku Story in the books to cap
49:42
off another episode. I said last week that it was
49:44
like episode 20, but it was actually like 23 or something.
49:48
So we're we're well into the 20s now. 20 bucks in the Lye jar.
49:53
Well, next time I see you, remind me.
49:57
All right. All right, buddy.
49:58
Thanks, Craig. Bye.