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The Late Debate | 8 July · The Late Debate

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  Speaker 1: Welcome the lake. Thank you, Paul, Welcome to the program.
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  Speaker 1: I'm Caleb Bond with Joe Hildebrand and Danika di Georgio.
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  Speaker 1: It's just strapped up foot. What's what's going on? Actually,
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  Speaker 1: you've done your best to hide it. I am trying
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  Speaker 1: to hide it. I didn't. I didn't. I didn't take
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  Speaker 1: a look before. We were weird because previously had leaked
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  Speaker 1: across and the strapped up foot.
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  Speaker 2: Tried to do the no and chivalrous thing. Because I'm
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  Speaker 2: now right live on airy and now.
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  Speaker 3: Caleb has exposed.
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  Speaker 4: If you do see my strapped up foot tonight, I
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  Speaker 4: am okay. I'm just suffering with chronic and acute planta
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  Speaker 4: fasci itis. If anyone's ever had that before, oh yeah
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  Speaker 4: I had her.
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  Speaker 1: Joe, no doubt. Danika, you will now be getting concerned
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  Speaker 1: emails from well.
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  Speaker 4: I mean that the viewers know my medical record, so
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  Speaker 4: why not. So if you see a strap foot tonight,
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  Speaker 4: please don't be alarm.
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  Speaker 1: Looks okay, she makes it through the show. That's all
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  Speaker 1: the that is eleven PM. After that. I don't care
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  Speaker 1: what's coming up on the show tonight. Nigel frag isn't
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  Speaker 1: the only story in Britain Prince Harry has also lost
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  Speaker 1: his privacy case against the Daily Mail. He says it
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  Speaker 1: wasn't unexpected. What does he mean by that? I wonder.
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  Speaker 1: Donald Trump says the ceasefire with Iran is over and
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  Speaker 1: has labeled the regime liars, scum and sick people. But meanwhile,
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  Speaker 1: US citizens, including a former Democrat staffer, have flown to
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  Speaker 1: Iran to join the Iatoller's funeral, and former PM Scott
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  Speaker 1: Morrison says he was wrong to oppose Western Australia closing
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  Speaker 1: its border during COVID. That's on the front of Tomorrow's Australian.
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  Speaker 1: But first that story I've just alluded to Nigel Farage.
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  Speaker 1: Of course, if you were here with us last night,
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  Speaker 1: followed us right through till midnight, you will of course
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  Speaker 1: know that Nigel Farrage has resigned as an MP, the
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  Speaker 1: MP for Claxton, and will force a clacton or Claxton,
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  Speaker 1: I should say, and will force a by election in
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  Speaker 1: doing so, which he is going to recontest. If by
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  Speaker 1: some stroke of luck you managed to miss this story,
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  Speaker 1: he's a little recap.
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  Speaker 5: It's a chance to stick two fingers up to the
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  Speaker 5: entire establishment, and I would say this to you, the
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  Speaker 5: voters of Clacton. If I win, you win, because if
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  Speaker 5: I lose, they win, and we will never with the
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  Speaker 5: two old parties get the type of fundamental change that
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  Speaker 5: we need to fix broken Britain.
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  Speaker 1: The interesting thing now is that basically everyone has said
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  Speaker 1: they're not going to run against him. No one is
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  Speaker 1: going to contest this by election. The Labor Party, the Conservatives,
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  Speaker 1: the Liberal Democrats and Restore Britain, which is his sort
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  Speaker 1: of main competitor on the Writer splinter group out of
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  Speaker 1: Reform have all said that they are not going to
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  Speaker 1: contest this by election because basically they believe it's a sham.
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  Speaker 1: Here is Kemy Badnock, the leader of the Conservative Party, explaining.
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  Speaker 6: Nigel Ferrage is having asy fit because the first time
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  Speaker 6: he's actually having to with some real scrutiny.
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  Speaker 1: What he needs to do is.
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  Speaker 6: Be honest about where his fishy five million pounds came from.
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  Speaker 6: We're not standing a candidate in the fake by election
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  Speaker 6: which Nigel Farrage is causing to distract people from what
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  Speaker 6: is happening.
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  Speaker 1: And the Prime Minister Serquia Stammer was singing from much
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  Speaker 1: the same hymn book.
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  Speaker 7: This is a desperate stunt from Nigel Farage, and it's
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  Speaker 7: obvious why he's doing it.
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  Speaker 2: He is up to his neck in sleeves.
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  Speaker 7: Politics should be about improving the lives of millions of people,
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  Speaker 7: not about personal gain, not about hiding dodgy donations. And
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  Speaker 7: I think the public will see this for exactly what
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  Speaker 7: it is.
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  Speaker 1: Pretty good from a bloke who was himself mired in
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  Speaker 1: controversy over receiving donations and is soon to be deposed
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  Speaker 1: as the Prime Minister. About the only person who's actually
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  Speaker 1: said that they will run against Nigel Frage in this
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  Speaker 1: spy election is Compinface, who you may well have seen before,
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  Speaker 1: a serial joke candidate up all over the place to
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  Speaker 1: basically make fun of the whole thing. So the waves
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  Speaker 1: being cast clearly by all the other parties is that
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  Speaker 1: if we don't get involved, then Nigel Farrage doesn't get
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  Speaker 1: his win, because he was framing it very much last night.
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  Speaker 1: As you know, they're coming after me for this donation
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  Speaker 1: scandal and money I have received as gifts, and so
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  Speaker 1: I will go off to this by election which I
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  Speaker 1: will recontest. I will be re elected by the people
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  Speaker 1: of Clacton, and that will be the end of the matter.
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  Speaker 1: It will prove to the people or to the rest
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  Speaker 1: of Britain that the people actually want me, so be
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  Speaker 1: damned what the rest of the political class says. But
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  Speaker 1: if no one else runs against him, then he kind
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  Speaker 1: of wins by default. That's what these parties are trying
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  Speaker 1: to achieve. It's how it's being portrayed by a lot
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  Speaker 1: of the media in the UK. The only thing is, though,
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  Speaker 1: I'm not sure Joe, that that really holds water, because
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  Speaker 1: I get that that is the argument that they are
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  Speaker 1: now trying to run with, because they will then say
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  Speaker 1: when Farrage wins, well, there was no competition anyway, so
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  Speaker 1: of course he won, so it was an illegitimate to
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  Speaker 1: bar election in the first place. But Farage, I think
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  Speaker 1: it gives him an opportunity to say, well, you know,
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  Speaker 1: the Tories and Labor and Restore and the lib dims,
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  Speaker 1: they all believe in democracy so much that they wouldn't
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  Speaker 1: give you an option to vote for and so they
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  Speaker 1: knew that I was going to win this by election
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  Speaker 1: and they were too scared to come and run against me.
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  Speaker 1: Does it not actually feed into Farage's hands.
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  Speaker 2: Well, he can say that, but he cannot really only
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  Speaker 2: say it once before he's repeating himself. And I think
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  Speaker 2: that is what makes this the smart player. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: Frage's play last night that we covered live was definitely
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  Speaker 2: the smart player. You go all in, you call the
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  Speaker 2: bluff if you want to call it that, and just
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  Speaker 2: say right now, no one's talking about the you know,
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  Speaker 2: the fishy five millions, as Key Banddog said, but they're
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  Speaker 2: talking about is he or isn't he? Is Farage going
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  Speaker 2: to step down? Is he going to stay and oh
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  Speaker 2: he's going to stay on and fight? What's he going
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  Speaker 2: to do? How is he going to do it? And
• 6:03
  Speaker 2: to stay on and fight, you need a fight, and
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  Speaker 2: if his opponents don't give him one, then it's just
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  Speaker 2: sort of him wandering around Clacton by the Sea with
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  Speaker 2: no one to kind of engage with. It'll be a
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  Speaker 2: foregone conclusion that he's going to win. So it'll kind
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  Speaker 2: of be like be like watching a footy game with
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  Speaker 2: only one field, one team on the field. And so
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  Speaker 2: I think it does actually suck the oxygen out of
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  Speaker 2: Faraja's sales because you know, this is someone who wins
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  Speaker 2: and who gets traction by fighting and winning, and if
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  Speaker 2: you're not fighting and you've got no one to beat,
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  Speaker 2: then suddenly you run out of oxygen. So I think
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  Speaker 2: he can definitely say that. He will say that, and
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  Speaker 2: he'll say you're scared, you're gutless because you know I'm
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  Speaker 2: going to beat you, and he'll try to lure them
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  Speaker 2: into a fight. But if I think, if they're smart
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  Speaker 2: enough not to do it, it'll be like the obviously,
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  Speaker 2: I'm thinking of the Franco Prussian War in the late
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  Speaker 2: nineteenth century where the French were goaded into a fight
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  Speaker 2: by Otto von Bismarck and they lost all their territory.
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  Speaker 2: So I think it's actually, you know, it's like a
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  Speaker 2: good Fabian tactic. It's just it's like and again, like
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  Speaker 2: the console Fabeous Maximus. I think it was who was
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  Speaker 2: sent out to fight Hannibal, and he fought Hannibal by
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  Speaker 2: never actually fighting Hannibal, never actually getting into a pitched battle.
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  Speaker 2: Again Napoleon's invasion with Russia. You just keep retreating and
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  Speaker 2: retreating and you just let the landscape eat your opponents up.
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  Speaker 2: I think that's what they're doing to Farage. I don't
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  Speaker 2: think it'll be enough to beat him, but it means
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  Speaker 2: that he won't get the fight on his turf that
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  Speaker 2: he wants.
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  Speaker 1: Just before we continue with the discussion, speaking of being
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  Speaker 1: eaten up, I just want to confirm that New South
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  Speaker 1: Wales has won the state of Origin this year. The
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  Speaker 1: final score tonight thirty to twelve. New South Wales.
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  Speaker 2: Fantastic. So if you're watching it victory, you can now
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  Speaker 2: come and watch us.
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  Speaker 1: They're already watching.
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  Speaker 4: That's it well, much like a victory for New South Wales.
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  Speaker 4: I almost think that Nigel Faraje in his mind, would
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  Speaker 4: be thinking that this is a victory for him, and
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  Speaker 4: I do largely agree. I think that he would be thinking, Okay, well,
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  Speaker 4: that's fine, you don't have to run any candidates against me.
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  Speaker 4: I have put my case on the line. I've said
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  Speaker 4: bugging you to the establishment. I have challenged you to
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  Speaker 4: a duel by through a by election, and if you're
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  Speaker 4: not going to run any candidates, well then I'm already
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  Speaker 4: an automatic winner. And I just think that that's how
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  Speaker 4: he I don't disagree with that, but what I'm saying
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  Speaker 4: is that that would be how he would spin the narrative,
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  Speaker 4: and I actually think that that is a smart way
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  Speaker 4: to spin it. I personally think that he has shown
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  Speaker 4: courage in what he has done by saying, Okay, then
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  Speaker 4: if you're going to go at me, well challenge me,
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  Speaker 4: show what you're made of. I'm putting myself on the line.
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  Speaker 4: And I actually think that that's democracy.
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  Speaker 3: People are acted. I think it's correct.
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  Speaker 4: Just he's saying to the and he's saying to he's
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  Speaker 4: saying to the people of fact. He's saying to them, Okay, well,
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  Speaker 4: I've given you an option here elects me.
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  Speaker 1: That's the whole point.
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  Speaker 3: He allects me or not.
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  Speaker 2: Got nothing to do with Cipher, but to do with
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  Speaker 2: It's all about whether or not he can win the
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  Speaker 2: whole country over. And the only way I think demonstrate
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  Speaker 2: he can win the whole country is by having is
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  Speaker 2: by smashing his opponents in Clacton. If it's just him
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  Speaker 2: winning a tiny little bielect in one of six hundred
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  Speaker 2: and fifty seats, that is not the fight that he needs.
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  Speaker 3: It doesn't matter.
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  Speaker 4: It still gets him over the line and says, I
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  Speaker 4: did challenge you. So he's literally saying to the Tories
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  Speaker 4: and Labor, you don't have to run candidates. That's completely
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  Speaker 4: fine in the opportunity through so and I've literally handed
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  Speaker 4: it to you on a plate. The other thing is
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  Speaker 4: I found today is he's really pushing that media narrative
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  Speaker 4: that they're harassing him and that they're after him. So
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  Speaker 4: in the hours that followed that speech last night, and
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  Speaker 4: I've actually got to say that we took that speech
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  Speaker 4: live here on the Late Debate, and the way that
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  Speaker 4: he delivered it was unbelievable. He did not falter, there
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  Speaker 4: was no arms and ours. It was like he was
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  Speaker 4: ready to deliver that. And that that is very that
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  Speaker 4: is a skill, to be honest. But in the hours
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  Speaker 4: that followed, he then released CCTV vision of his daughter's
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  Speaker 4: residence where he had claimed that Sky News had been
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  Speaker 4: a Sky in the UK, of course, had nothing to
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  Speaker 4: do with us, has nothing to.
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  Speaker 3: Do with us here in Australia.
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  Speaker 4: And I just thought that that was a smart play
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  Speaker 4: and that that is the narrative he's going to spin.
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  Speaker 3: Now you look at what's happened over in the US.
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  Speaker 4: That narrative has worked very well for Donald Trump, saying
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  Speaker 4: I'm the victim.
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  Speaker 3: Of a witch hunt. You know, the liberal media hate me.
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  Speaker 4: It has worked well in that playbook, and I believe
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  Speaker 4: it would work.
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  Speaker 3: It's going to work.
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  Speaker 4: Very well in Nigel Faraja's favor of it works well
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  Speaker 4: for Trump because he gets attention, and that is the
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  Speaker 4: thing so does for us.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, but he won't get as much attention if it's
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  Speaker 2: he's got no opponents in the by election. That is
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  Speaker 2: the whole point.
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  Speaker 3: I disagree.
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  Speaker 1: So as long as he's in opinion polls, he's going
• 11:02
  Speaker 1: to get attention interrect like, he's not going to lose
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  Speaker 1: attention by virtue of the fact that no one else
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  Speaker 1: has had the game.
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  Speaker 2: All the media outlets that are now saying, no, I
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  Speaker 2: forget about that, you should be concentrating on the dodgy
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  Speaker 2: money or the dirty money or whatever whatever. All the
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  Speaker 2: media outlets that are turning on him and will have
• 11:17
  Speaker 2: turned on him and are trying to force him to
• 11:19
  Speaker 2: do all this stuff. They would be in a by
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  Speaker 2: election environment. They would be compelled to say, right, who
• 11:25
  Speaker 2: did what today? Who's going to say so? No matter
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  Speaker 2: what else they were doing, there would always be a
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  Speaker 2: story that Farage is killing it, Farages smashing it, everyone
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  Speaker 2: loves it. If it's just him, there is actually no
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  Speaker 2: kind of news imperative for them. I'm just saying purely
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  Speaker 2: from purely from just his capacity to whip up publicity,
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  Speaker 2: to whip up outrage, and to demonstrate that he can
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  Speaker 2: smash all comers. If people if they just take that
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  Speaker 2: fight away, yeah you'll still get something attention, of course,
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  Speaker 2: but it'll be nowhere near as much as if he
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  Speaker 2: was taking on a major rival. And I think that
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  Speaker 2: that is what makes this actually a smart play.
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  Speaker 4: No, but I just think you know, now now you've
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  Speaker 4: got people like Kemmy Bada not coming out. Kemmy's thinking
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  Speaker 4: to her self, this might be the Conservatives in that
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  Speaker 4: this might be their big moment that they have waited for,
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  Speaker 4: given that they are so far behind the opinion polls,
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  Speaker 4: and the Conservatives of all but being wiped off a
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  Speaker 4: map right now in the UK. I just I will
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  Speaker 4: be very curious to see how this translates and whether
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  Speaker 4: or not it will do damage to Nigel Farage and
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  Speaker 4: in fact work in the Tories.
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  Speaker 3: But I'm not convinced.
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  Speaker 2: I'm honestly best ammunition again, regless of what he wants.
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  Speaker 4: No, because he's got such a strong base around him,
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  Speaker 4: I cannot see his own supporters abandoning him over there.
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  Speaker 2: He's not going to This whole face of it just sucks.
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  Speaker 2: The attention out of his arguments against the other parties
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  Speaker 2: and again for kemy bad or not. If the Conservatives
• 12:47
  Speaker 2: ran against Riches, that would be absolutely smashed by him
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  Speaker 2: and that would be humiliating. This way they avoid that
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  Speaker 2: loss because they're saying, oh, we're just not playing all right.
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  Speaker 4: Well it remains saying now, look we're going to stay
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  Speaker 4: in the UK now, Prince Harry, goodness me, he has
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  Speaker 4: once again exposed himself for being the biggest sore loser
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  Speaker 4: of them all. Once a spare, always a spare. Now
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  Speaker 4: you may have heard that news. It was breaking last
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  Speaker 4: night at the same time of the Nigel Farage drama
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  Speaker 4: that Prince Harry has lost his case against the Daily Mail.
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  Speaker 4: He had argued that the Daily Mail, which is arguably
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  Speaker 4: one of the UK's strongest, most powerful newspapers, of using
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  Speaker 4: illegal ploys such as phone hacking to get its news.
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  Speaker 4: He and others including Elton John and Liz Hurley, also
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  Speaker 4: claimed to use blagging, a practice in which a journalist
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  Speaker 4: makes false claims to trick people into divulging information.
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  Speaker 3: Well Harry lost. He lost his case.
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  Speaker 4: The High Court ruled that the Duke of Sussex and
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  Speaker 4: the other claimants in this case failed to prove their
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  Speaker 4: allegations and it then dismissed their claims on all accounts.
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  Speaker 3: So what has Prince Harry done.
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  Speaker 4: Well, of course, in true Prince Harry style, he's completely
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  Speaker 4: spat the dummy. He said, we came to court seeking
• 14:02
  Speaker 4: justice and accountability, but we have received neither. It is
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  Speaker 4: a complete and obvious whitewash, but sadly not altogether unexpected. Well,
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  Speaker 4: you know what, Harry, Actually it wasn't quite a whitewash.
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  Speaker 3: Let's be honest. He took a risk. He knew the
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  Speaker 3: risk that it would.
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  Speaker 4: Take to go to court and that he may indeed lose.
• 14:23
  Speaker 4: Now this is apparently going to cost him upwards of
• 14:26
  Speaker 4: fifteen pounds in a payout.
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  Speaker 3: What a complete waste of time.
• 14:31
  Speaker 4: This comes from the Duke of Privacy himself, the man
• 14:34
  Speaker 4: absolutely desperate for privacy in his life, yet wrote a
• 14:38
  Speaker 4: book and has done interviews that have followed obsessed with
• 14:42
  Speaker 4: the Royal family, bagging out the Royal family, making very
• 14:46
  Speaker 4: private matters public, like talking about his drug use, his
• 14:49
  Speaker 4: time in Afghanistan, the amount of people he killed in Afghanistan, talking.
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  Speaker 3: About his penis for crying out loud in that book.
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  Speaker 3: If you haven't read Spare, I wouldn't recommend.
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  Speaker 4: He has made a profit and a living out of
• 15:02
  Speaker 4: so called privacy, and yet once privacy, so he got
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  Speaker 4: what he deserved. He's gone back to London with his
• 15:09
  Speaker 4: tail in between his legs and guess what, it's all
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  Speaker 4: he deserves.
• 15:13
  Speaker 1: So he's basically accused the judge of bias, Yes, because
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  Speaker 1: the judge, when he was embarrassed ten years ago, had
• 15:21
  Speaker 1: acted for the Mirror I think it was in a
• 15:23
  Speaker 1: phone hacking case. And so he's basically saying, well, you know,
• 15:27
  Speaker 1: he had a preconceived notion about what the media can
• 15:29
  Speaker 1: and cannot do because at the previous time he was
• 15:32
  Speaker 1: under the employee of a media organization to defend them
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  Speaker 1: in one of these cases. I think it's a pretty
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  Speaker 1: extraordinary line to take, to be perfectly honest, contemptive quarters Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I'd be very concerned if I were Harry trying to
• 15:47
  Speaker 1: run that kind of line. And what happened in this
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  Speaker 1: case was the judge went through everything basically line by line.
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  Speaker 1: He actually looked at the individual stories that Harry was
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  Speaker 1: planning about, going all the way back to the early
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  Speaker 1: two thousands, instead of just sort of looking at it
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  Speaker 1: nebulously as a whole the media's behavior. He looked at
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  Speaker 1: what happened in every single one of those stories. The
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  Speaker 1: judgment was at four hundred or more than four hundred
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  Speaker 1: pages long, and he put it on Harry and Elton
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  Speaker 1: John and Liz Hurley, who were the other two who
• 16:21
  Speaker 1: were involved in this case, to prove that what they
• 16:25
  Speaker 1: were alleging had happened actually happened. Because Harry was saying, well,
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  Speaker 1: you know, here's a story about I was infatuated with
• 16:33
  Speaker 1: this woman. Now, the only way that the paper would
• 16:35
  Speaker 1: have been able to ascertain that knowledge is by either
• 16:38
  Speaker 1: hacking a phone or getting the information by improper means.
• 16:42
  Speaker 1: And so the judge basically said, well, show me the proof,
• 16:45
  Speaker 1: and in most of the cases they found no evidence
• 16:48
  Speaker 1: of that. That's where this case has fallen over And
• 16:52
  Speaker 1: of course the Daily Mail and its publisher, Associated Newspapers
• 16:58
  Speaker 1: have taken this as a big victory. As you would
• 17:00
  Speaker 1: have mentioned, their boss, Paul Dakker, had this to say, Today's.
• 17:05
  Speaker 8: Verdict is not just a victory for Associated as magnificent journalists,
• 17:10
  Speaker 8: several of whom have had a terrible toll imposed on
• 17:14
  Speaker 8: their health and lives. But are free press. Generally, there
• 17:18
  Speaker 8: isn't a laundry, and the cosmos big enough to wash
• 17:22
  Speaker 8: all the dirty linen he has aired about his own family.
• 17:26
  Speaker 8: The bitter irony is that his mother Diana liked the
• 17:29
  Speaker 8: male We were her paper, we took her side, and
• 17:33
  Speaker 8: her acrimonious break up with Charles.
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: Oh Jesus stings as Wow, it's an extraordinary judgment.
• 17:41
  Speaker 2: I mean, firstly, I don't think Harry knows what the
• 17:44
  Speaker 2: word whitewash means, Like, even if he was concerned about
• 17:49
  Speaker 2: the judge's impartiality, that's not really what whitewash means. White
• 17:53
  Speaker 2: wash means cover up. So again I don't think. I
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: think he literally literally doesn't know what he's talking about. Secondly,
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: all judges are former barristers, and so if he actually
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: thinks that a barristers, a barrister taking a case is
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: rendered biased by that case, he has zero understanding of
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: how the legal system works or the justice system works.
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: A barrister is obliged to take any case that comes
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: to him or her if the person can pay for
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: It's called the first cub off the rank principle. It's
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: extremely important. They're not allowed to just pick and choose
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: cases that they agree or don't agree with. In fact,
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: the whole system is designed to expressly stop that from happening.
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: Can you imagine, like the parole board, for instance, which
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: is made up fundamentally of lawyers. They start saying, oh, well,
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: you know, you once defended a murderer, therefore you can't
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: make decisions about whether the murder.
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: It's completely And the thing was that so the owners
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: of proof is on these publications, right, So it wasn't
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: even that Harry couldn't prove it himself. It was that
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: all these all these organizations were able to produce their sources.
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: They had anonymous sources that actually went public and set Actually, yes,
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: that was me. I told you that some of the
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: stuff that they were complaining about was material that was
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: already on the public record that was used in this coverage.
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: So it is in fact, Harry and the others being
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: absolutely delusional about just how I suppose disloyal and toxic
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: their own organizations are. They had people within their organizations,
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: within their entourages, leaking against them like colanders. Because clearly
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: these and negative particular are quite insufferable, and we hear
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: this time and time again and so that all these
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: publications actually laid out here It all is we didn't
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: have to hack any phones, and the Daily Mirror case
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: and there was also, of course the case with the
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: News of the World and the UK fair cop related
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: to this company. But with the we went down, they
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: went down because there was phone hacking. Like the important
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: thing is that the judges complaining about lost that case.
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: The Mirror got done, as did other organizations who did
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: hack phone So it's not as though you know, all
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: this phone hacking has been covered up forever and ever.
• 20:15
  Speaker 4: You just have to wonder what the royal family would
• 20:17
  Speaker 4: be thinking right now looking at this that.
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: They must be glad he's not saying.
• 20:21
  Speaker 4: I think that they would be breathing a sigh of relief, going,
• 20:24
  Speaker 4: what on earth has happened to Harry over the years?
• 20:27
  Speaker 4: I reckon, Prince William must be going that brother of mine.
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: The wastral Soun, just keeps doing wostral sun things. So
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: let's go over to the United States, where it seems
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: like the deal, the peace deal between the US and
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: Iran is all but over. Basically, Donald Trump this evening
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: speaking at NATO in Turkey, has gone after Iran. He said,
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: the lunatics. It's all off. There's no way that this
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: deal is continuing. Here, he is to me, I think
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: it's over.
• 21:04
  Speaker 5: I don't want to deal with them with there's scum.
• 21:06
  Speaker 9: You know what scum is.
• 21:07
  Speaker 5: There's scum.
• 21:08
  Speaker 8: There's sick people.
• 21:09
  Speaker 10: They're led by sick people, and they're vicious, violent people.
• 21:14
  Speaker 10: And if they had a nuclear weapon, that'd use it.
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: As far as I'm concerned, it's over. Do you know?
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: What's coming? Is a pretty interesting thing. But I think
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: what we can read into this is the war's back on.
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: He's had enough, he's not liking how the negotiations are going,
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: and so we're back exactly where we were. I don't
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: know every other time basically they've tried to come up
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: with a peace deal. Here, one wonders how long all
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: of this can keep going on for. I mean, you know,
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: I've said this many times, but Trump of course said
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: when he went into this war that it was going
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: to last five or six weeks. And that was back
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: in February. Here we are now into July, and he's
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: now torn up a peace agreement that they came up
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: with a couple of weeks ago. He's threatened a number
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: of times that he's going to go really hard on
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: them if they don't come to the table. Well, clearly
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: they don't keep coming to the table to his satisfaction.
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: So at what point does he follow through on the
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: threat he made to wipe out a civilization because if
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: they keep going like this, Iran's just going to keep going. Oh, well,
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: who cares, We'll just keep playing the game.
• 22:20
  Speaker 4: Well, the problem is at the same time is Donald
• 22:22
  Speaker 4: Trump's popularity is plummeting, and we are now only months
• 22:26
  Speaker 4: out from the midterm elections. So I'm not sure how
• 22:29
  Speaker 4: much longer this game of cat and mouse.
• 22:31
  Speaker 3: Can go on.
• 22:32
  Speaker 4: For what we do know for sure is there will
• 22:34
  Speaker 4: be no change in Iran unless the regime falls. And
• 22:38
  Speaker 4: right now, I've got to say it's like the regime
• 22:41
  Speaker 4: is playing Donald Trump because he's now ripped this ceasefire
• 22:45
  Speaker 4: agreement up. The regime was never going to come to
• 22:48
  Speaker 4: the table on an agreement. The regime has never wanted peace.
• 22:52
  Speaker 4: They want to continue their reign of terror across Iran.
• 22:56
  Speaker 4: I'm not sure how much longer this can possibly go
• 22:59
  Speaker 4: on for us. If Donald Trump doesn't go hard now,
• 23:03
  Speaker 4: he never will. And November is coming. The midterms are coming,
• 23:07
  Speaker 4: and that is the problem.
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: Well, that's the thing. I think it's all these sort
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: of targeted strikes on you know, very specialized kind of targets,
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: you know, military targets. I think they just know that
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: America is not going to do that full blown you know,
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: I'm going to wipe out a whole civilization tomorrow a thing.
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: However much Trump blusters, I think people know that, you know,
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: the Americans aren't going to go full you know, full
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: catastrophe on them. And I think they, as I've said,
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: I think they do need to ramp it up. The problem.
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: The other problem is it's not centralized either. So the
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: people they're negotiating with, all the individual revolutionary guard leaders
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: and commanders who are at all their different bases, some
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: of them aren't even in touch with each other because
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: of the damage done by the military size. So they're
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: just doing whatever they feel like anyway, and if they
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: think they can take out a ship that's going through
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: the straight up for moves, they're just going to do it.
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: And so the question is almost not just taking out
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: who's in charge, but who's in charge? Who's in charge?
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: And this is the thing because because all of This
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: started when Trump and Nitya who decided that they were
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: going to kill the Ie Tola. And they're now having
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: this long protracted funeral time over in Iran for the
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: dead Eye Toler. And there are a number of people
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: from the US who've gone over to Iran for this.
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: One of them is a woman by the name of
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: Kla Walsh. Now she has previously worked as a campaign
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: volunteer for Elizabeth Warren, who is of course a Democrat. Look,
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: I'm not even gonna explain it. Just listen to this.
• 24:38
  Speaker 11: The US and Israel were mistaken and thinking that by
• 24:40
  Speaker 11: assassinating the leader that they could overthrow the Islamic Republic.
• 24:44
  Speaker 11: In fact, this aggressive move, this audacious move, has actually
• 24:50
  Speaker 11: only had the opposite of fact.
• 24:51
  Speaker 3: He was a leader to all.
• 24:52
  Speaker 11: People of the world who struggle against imperialism, against arrogance,
• 24:57
  Speaker 11: against Zionism, against genocide. Me he was the greatest anti
• 25:02
  Speaker 11: imperialist leader to have lived during my lifetime.
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: I mean, I can't what what what? And there's another
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: one too, blow by the name of Jackson Hinkle, who's
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: a sort of an online political influence communist. He calls
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: himself Maga Communists. Right, it's just extraordinary. Have a look
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: at this down with US as that is a US
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: citizen on Iranian soil shouting down with the U.
• 25:41
  Speaker 10: S A.
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: These people, if they're ever allowed back into the US, personally,
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: I'd be trying to scare them out of ever coming back.
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: Should be in a jail cell. Uh, Like, how can you?
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: You can't just go around doing that.
• 25:58
  Speaker 4: But nothing, it doesn't make any sense. It's just what
• 26:01
  Speaker 4: happened to them? What on earth happened to them? And
• 26:03
  Speaker 4: you're right, university, they went to university. But that is
• 26:07
  Speaker 4: half the problem because what they're being brainwashed and this
• 26:11
  Speaker 4: is well, I mean this Calor woman.
• 26:13
  Speaker 3: I read that she.
• 26:14
  Speaker 4: Started her activism at the age of fourteen, which is
• 26:17
  Speaker 4: highly concerning. It's this next generation being brainwashed. But to
• 26:21
  Speaker 4: your point, Caleb, they should be prosecuted to the full
• 26:23
  Speaker 4: extent of the laws. They should never be allowed to
• 26:25
  Speaker 4: step foot in the United States again. They should be
• 26:28
  Speaker 4: prosecuted for treason. This Calor lives in Lebanon now anyway,
• 26:31
  Speaker 4: Leva in Lebanon, stay over in Lebanon. But this is
• 26:35
  Speaker 4: why the culture wars matter because what we have seen,
• 26:41
  Speaker 4: and we've seen it in parts of Australia here where
• 26:43
  Speaker 4: there's this real anti West, anti America or anti Australia sentiment,
• 26:50
  Speaker 4: and it is a concern that the next generation are adopting.
• 26:55
  Speaker 3: Not all obviously, but it's.
• 26:56
  Speaker 4: This far left notion that you have to hate your
• 27:00
  Speaker 4: they tie themselves in knots of guilt and they've been
• 27:04
  Speaker 4: told you're to blame for everything that's ever happened.
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: Show. But the beauty of it is that it shows
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: just so how ridiculously deranged and extreme the far left
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: has become. That these guys are actually, obviously we all know,
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: siding with a totalitarian regime in Iran, which is quite
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: popular with the left, less so because it is also
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: pro Russia, so he's really taking the communist thing to Haas.
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: But he is also pro right wing totalitarian figure like
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: vlabiir Putin, which is unusual for the left. But clearly
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: he's just the future of the left. This is where
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: they're all going to end up. And he also is
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: a former Bernie bro He was a big alcolyte of
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: Bernie Sanders when he was a younger, younger man and
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: a teenager and also ran for local government, I believe
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: in Orange County California, so real Soult of the earth,
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: working class types, like all these comedies are.
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: He need to get to find Red County. I think
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: he'd be more acceptably now.
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: Speaking of the class struggle, A little story caught my
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: eye earlier today. It involves my favorite airline, incidentally, Virgin Australia,
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: and a family of disabled twins that they say are disabled.
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: Twins are suing Virgin after a bathroom access was denied
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: them on a Bali flight, and they claim that the
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: discrimination they suffered left lasting trauma. Let's go to the
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: quote here. The parents claim that cabin crew denied both
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: children access and just spot the little easter eggs here
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: access to the forward aircraft laboratory publicly in the presence
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: of other passengers. Court documents say the twins were instead
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: directed to traverse the full length of the aircraft cabin
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: without assistance, notwithstanding Virgin Australia's pride and knowledge of their
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: reduced mobility. Result the twins experienced significant psychological distress and
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: functional regression, including heightened anxiety, fear associated with air travel,
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: and increase dependency on their parents. The pleadings say, I
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: think this is absolutely disgraceful. I am. I'm disgusted. I
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: have to say, I'm disgusted that people on economy class
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: tickets would dare to think that they are entitled to
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: cross the sacred curtain and go and use the business
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: class toilets. I mean, what is the point of having
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: a business class if there's anyone can wander in there?
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: I mean, for the love of God, that curtain is
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: there for a reason. This selfish, entitled family think that
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: they're disabled children should be able to just wonder freely.
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: I mean, what are they expecting proper cutlery with their
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: meal service?
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: Wowes, society is.
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: Already crumbling, and these people want to tear apart. Wow,
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: last foundation of holding it up.
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: So to be clear, Joe, you hate disabled people.
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: That's what I'm trying to say. Yeah, I don't know. No,
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: that's not true, only when they try to get into business.
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: Come on, come on. And because all of this has
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: got to go through the court now, so it's all claims.
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: You don't know what actually did or didn't happen. But
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: like it, would it really be that bad if there's
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: a poor kid who is normally in a wheelchair, so
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: they can't wheel the chair up and down the plane, Like,
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: why can't you just go and use the.
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: Toilet because standards are standards, Caleb, don't understand the class
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: system is there for a reason if you let people
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: just coming into the pointing end of the plane. I mean,
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: what happens. First you let the kids in, and the
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: parents want to follow because they've got increased dependency on
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: their parents, according to their own court pleadings. And then
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: why so the parents mum and dad come to they
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: can't work properly. They can use that toilet at the
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: back of the plane like everybody else.
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: I think you're being a bit hardh.
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: Although seriousness, there are a few little red flags here elsewhere,
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: the article says. Their parents have also sued the Department
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: of Foreign Affairs and Trade over alleged failures to provide
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: assistance after they became stranded in Bali in August twenty
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: twenty five. The mother and father claim they experienced psychological
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: distress and trauma from seeing their children discriminated against and
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: having to deal with being stranded. So we're getting quite
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: a few suings here and quite a bit of psychological distress.
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: And I noticed also that the Sydney the family from
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: Western Sydney heartland represent representing themselves well, which is not
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: the best path.
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: People, and you'd be different.
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: I'm on their side one hundred percent when they try
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: to get into it.
• 31:50
  Speaker 4: I'm curious to know what they mean by they became
• 31:52
  Speaker 4: stranded in BALI what I'm curious because that the article
• 31:56
  Speaker 4: didn't have a backstory as to why that they why
• 31:59
  Speaker 4: that they claim that they're being stranded, but enough that
• 32:03
  Speaker 4: they would sue.
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: When we follow that. When we continue to follow this.
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: I think perhaps they maybe the passengers.
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: They wouldn't want to try getting on a private plane though,
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: because the new West Sydney Airport which opens up later
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: this spear.
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: I believe another disgrace came in a long time for
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: you know what they are doing?
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: What do they do?
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: Will not believe this Australia Western Sydney International Airport and
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: the airport designed to support the heartland of Western City
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: that this poor family comes from. And you know what
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: they're doing. They're not letting in any private jets. They're
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: focusing all on normal passengers going in and out of
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: the airport to other cities in Australia, other cities and
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: countries all around the world. At the expense of billionaires
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: who want to be able to park the leer jet
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: for a quick overnight spot of the you know, the
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: Paramatta ridges.
• 32:59
  Speaker 4: They don't see what the problem is why they can't,
• 33:01
  Speaker 4: like I can't use the runway. I'm not sure why
• 33:03
  Speaker 4: Western's in the airport's up in arms about this. This
• 33:06
  Speaker 4: this airport is costing eleven billion dollars to the taxpayer,
• 33:09
  Speaker 4: for goodness sake, and that includes believe it or not,
• 33:12
  Speaker 4: rich people in this country, billionaires of this country. The
• 33:16
  Speaker 4: article said that people like Geena ryan Hart and Pauline
• 33:19
  Speaker 4: Hanson won't be able to land their jets there. I mean,
• 33:21
  Speaker 4: you know, these are people who have paid their dues
• 33:23
  Speaker 4: to society, paid their taxes. I just don't understand what
• 33:26
  Speaker 4: bureaucracy and red tape would be holding it up. I mean,
• 33:29
  Speaker 4: for goodness sake, it's a runway. If you want to pay,
• 33:32
  Speaker 4: you've got the money to pay for a private strip,
• 33:35
  Speaker 4: go for it.
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: I know, you know, what about the billionaire's rights? You know,
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: no one talks to people talk about the disabled kids rights?
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: What about the billionaires?
• 33:42
  Speaker 4: But the billionaires pay their taxes too, and they've also
• 33:45
  Speaker 4: contributed their money to this airport. I just don't understand
• 33:48
  Speaker 4: that the rationale behind this. As long as they're not
• 33:51
  Speaker 4: doing it when a commercial jet is landing, I'm sure
• 33:54
  Speaker 4: that they could they could land at another time.
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: I'm guessing the beauty of WSI as it doesn't have
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: a curfew and so maybe you know when Leonardo DiCaprio
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: wants to do one of his sort of round the
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: world late night, all night party till you can't stop.
• 34:10
  Speaker 3: Yeah, well, well.
• 34:13
  Speaker 4: That's what it is. Now our only review to with Telstra.
• 34:16
  Speaker 4: Were you caught up in the the outage? No, I
• 34:20
  Speaker 4: know you were, but I'm not so well, Caleb got
• 34:22
  Speaker 4: annoy with me because I didn't respond to a text
• 34:24
  Speaker 4: passage tonight.
• 34:25
  Speaker 3: Well I didn't get your text because was down.
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: Should you come into the pub? And she just totally
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: blanked me.
• 34:35
  Speaker 4: But I often have to try to ignore it full
• 34:37
  Speaker 4: time job in this.
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and I didn't even know because no one tried
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: to contact Oh.
• 34:44
  Speaker 3: That's well, that's that's a little bit sad. But of
• 34:47
  Speaker 3: course if you if you know the story.
• 34:49
  Speaker 4: But now, Telstra of course suffered widespread network failures across
• 34:52
  Speaker 4: the country today, Internet and phone services were down. Some
• 34:56
  Speaker 4: businesses also had to close because of it. She now
• 35:00
  Speaker 4: the Communications Minister, Annika Wells. You might remember that she
• 35:03
  Speaker 4: was missing in action when the Optus failure happened last year. Well,
• 35:07
  Speaker 4: it just so happens that she was on annual leave
• 35:09
  Speaker 4: during this Telstra failure. I mean the timing could have
• 35:12
  Speaker 4: been worse. It was very, very unfortunate. Now to her credit,
• 35:16
  Speaker 4: she actually canceled her leave and she has since come
• 35:19
  Speaker 4: back to work. Now they're still investigating what happened here.
• 35:22
  Speaker 4: It does appear to be an accident. But Barnaby Joyce
• 35:24
  Speaker 4: raised an interesting point.
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  Speaker 10: I don't want to be paranoid or conspiracy theorist, but
• 35:31
  Speaker 10: we know there is the capacity for people to affect,
• 35:34
  Speaker 10: for China to effect that sort of software and that
• 35:38
  Speaker 10: sort of network. We know that they have hacked into computers.
• 35:41
  Speaker 10: We know that this is part of the raise on
• 35:43
  Speaker 10: debth of their process. I think it's an issue that
• 35:47
  Speaker 10: needs to be cleared up.
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  Speaker 1: I think he.
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  Speaker 3: Raises a good point.
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  Speaker 4: I think it doesn't show how vulnerable we are and
• 35:52
  Speaker 4: our full reliance on telecommunications companies. And let's be honest,
• 35:56
  Speaker 4: China is lapping up on our doorstep right now. So
• 35:59
  Speaker 4: any is certainly possible But just going back to Minister
• 36:03
  Speaker 4: Anika Wells. When this outage happened on her social media page,
• 36:07
  Speaker 4: her team had obviously put together a timed.
• 36:10
  Speaker 3: Post to launch.
• 36:11
  Speaker 4: Now Unfortunately, again really shocking timing. This was the post
• 36:15
  Speaker 4: that went up. It was about the government's digital connectivity
• 36:20
  Speaker 4: oxy Daisy. Now, as you can imagine, as soon as
• 36:25
  Speaker 4: the opt the Telstra outage happened, this post suddenly disappeared
• 36:29
  Speaker 4: into those never never But look, you know this is
• 36:33
  Speaker 4: actually very very serious. During the Optus outage last year,
• 36:36
  Speaker 4: lives were lost. This cannot happen and I think it
• 36:39
  Speaker 4: is an absolute disgrace that this has happened yet again.
• 36:43
  Speaker 4: Don't forget Optus customers were leaving Optus in droves to
• 36:47
  Speaker 4: go to Telstra thinking that they would get good connectivity
• 36:50
  Speaker 4: and people today couldn't even contact Triple zeros.
• 36:53
  Speaker 3: So we are exposed.
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: And Liberal Senator Karen Little from South Australia's posted on
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: social media this evening that she's been made where of
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: a ca of someone who's died as a result of
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: not being able to get hold of Triple zero. I
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: think it's on her Facebook page if you want to
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: go and have a look at it, and I got
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: to say this shocked me as well that you might
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: have seen this afternoon that Telstra gave a statement. They
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: did a press conference and their chief financial officer, Michael
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: Ackland stood up to speak and have a look at this.
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: This is him before he started speaking. Have a look
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: look at the big grin on his and he tries
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: to get rid of the grin and then the grin
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: comes back and he's having a laugh and terrible optic
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: in front of the cameras when this has just happened.
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: I'm not sure that was a great move, mister Ackland.
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: After the break, we'll get into all of tomorrow's front pages.
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: Will tell you the city in Australia where more than
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: eighty percent of people afraid to go out at night.
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: Don't go away. Now, I know you love this part
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: of the night because if if you're a viewer of
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: the late debate, you like to be informed, which means
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: you want to know what's going on tomorrow. Tonight you
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: go to bed, you've got the jump start on everyone else.
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: You're the smartest bloke when you rock up to the
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: office in the morning, So why don't we give it
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: to you on the front of the Ozz Tomorrow says
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: Ossis of ISIS could be free. Oh my god. Imprisoned
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: Australian men suspected of being ISIS fighters could be freed
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: from an Iraqi jail under renewed efforts to deport members
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: deemed quote unquote non combatants of the terrorist group. Well
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: that's helpful, isn't it. The Australian can reveal that some
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: of the thirteen Australians held in Baghdad's notorious prison system
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: are being interviewed by officials from the United States and
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: Iraq as part of an international push in quote unquote
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: achieving justice for those who didn't engage in combat. Multiple
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: sources familiar with the latest rounds of negotiations said those
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: who identify it as Australian would also be interrogated by
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: prison staff and US officials in order to find out
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: what level of involvement they had with Islamic State, which
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: could see some of them released. So let me get
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: this straight. They're going to go and talk to people
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: who have been locked up because they were members of ISIS,
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: and they're going to ask them what they did with
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: ISIS and if they say, oh, I never fired a gun,
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: they'll go on your way.
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: So I think some of it is I'm not sure.
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: I'd be pretty suss on a lot of them. But
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: like there's one case that they raised, which is a
• 39:29
  Speaker 2: guy who was a child when he was taken over
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: and he never actually fought with ISIS, but got in
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: prison anyway. So he was like, I think he was
• 39:38
  Speaker 2: ten years old or something when he was I know,
• 39:41
  Speaker 2: even younger perhaps, but he was tiny when his mum
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: and dad, great parenting guys, took him over there and
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: he never had anything to do with it, but ended
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: up in prison, because what else are you going to
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: do with.
• 39:52
  Speaker 4: But I guess it's like the issue we've said before
• 39:54
  Speaker 4: with the ISIS brides.
• 39:55
  Speaker 3: We don't know what these kids have been exposed to.
• 39:59
  Speaker 2: I can think we can assume it's been pretty horrific, but.
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: It's another story on the front of the OS tomorrow.
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: A disaster Morrison's mea culpa on grave COVID era. Former
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: Prime Minister Scott Morrison concedes his mistake in the COVID crisis,
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: saying his legal campaign against the enclosure of the West
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: Australian border was a political disaster, and reveals he's changed
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: his mind about the border policies of WA's then Labor
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: Premier Mark McGowan. Now this is all part of Paul
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: Kelly's book which is coming out, The Twilight of Exceptionalism.
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: He goes on to write in his interviews for my book,
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: The Twilight of Exceptionalism The Liberal and Conservative Era twenty
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: thirteen to twenty two, mister Morrison said he now believed
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: closing the Way border was a sensible move, although his
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: opposition at the time was critical in Labour winning four
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: seats in Wa, allowing the West to underpin the Albanese
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: majority at the twenty twenty two federal election. Mister Morrison
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: initially supported Clive Palmer's High Court action that claimed mister
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: McGowan's closed borders, which had lasted six one hundred and
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: ninety seven days, we're in breach of Section ninety two
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: of the Constitution guaranteeing free movement between the states.
• 41:10
  Speaker 4: Seriously, as the West Australian on this show, can I
• 41:14
  Speaker 4: just say that is so highly offensive that Scott Morrison
• 41:17
  Speaker 4: has buckled on this. Myself, like my fellow san Gropers,
• 41:20
  Speaker 4: were locked out of the state, couldn't see family and
• 41:23
  Speaker 4: friends because of the quote medical advice dictated to by
• 41:28
  Speaker 4: a guy Mark McGowan who referred to himself as State Daddy.
• 41:32
  Speaker 4: And now Scott Morrison is buckled saying, oh no, well
• 41:36
  Speaker 4: he was right.
• 41:37
  Speaker 3: Well we still don't know what.
• 41:38
  Speaker 4: The medical evidence actually says, all these years later, how
• 41:41
  Speaker 4: many deaths were there, how much and many cases of depression?
• 41:44
  Speaker 4: I mean that really bothers me, even all these years later.
• 41:48
  Speaker 4: That bothers me.
• 41:49
  Speaker 2: Seing Morrison describes it as a political disaster, not a
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: health disaster, not a medical disaster, so seems to be
• 41:57
  Speaker 2: thinking more about the number of seats that Mark mcgow
• 41:59
  Speaker 2: and why and the Anthi Albanzi one.
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: Well, yes, he's basically saying I should have just given
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: in to the stupid ideas that people had about how
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: COVID was going to kill granny if someone drove a
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: track across the border.
• 42:13
  Speaker 4: Correct, it's just COVID still around today and no one
• 42:16
  Speaker 4: bats an eyelid anymore. For sake, let's take a look
• 42:19
  Speaker 4: at the Herald Sun lives on the line is the
• 42:22
  Speaker 4: headline there. They're also covering the Telsa disaster. But have
• 42:25
  Speaker 4: a look at this down there down the bottom, A
• 42:27
  Speaker 4: state of rent stress Melbourne's rents arising the fastest in
• 42:31
  Speaker 4: Australia as state and federal reforms hit the tenants they
• 42:34
  Speaker 4: are supposed to help. Industry experts say the Albanese government's
• 42:37
  Speaker 4: changes to negative gearing and capital gains tax could mean
• 42:42
  Speaker 4: more rent hikes. Well, I mean that was always going
• 42:44
  Speaker 4: to be in the pipeline, wasn't it.
• 42:47
  Speaker 3: Rental hikes? I mean, you can't tax your way out
• 42:50
  Speaker 3: of supply. That's the other issue.
• 42:53
  Speaker 4: And it's the housing market that's taking a hit, the
• 42:55
  Speaker 4: market that was supposed to actually be.
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: Improved, isn't that so? Domain says that house prices in
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: Melbourne over the next year we'll go back eight percent,
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: which is equal to about eighty two grand on a
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: medium pat hope, and rents are going to go up
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: so that it will be really good for first home
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: bars doing well.
• 43:15
  Speaker 2: Melbourn's really going from strength to strength.
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: Thanks.
• 43:18
  Speaker 3: Thanks.
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: How are you going to defend Elbow on that one?
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: Rents made pop?
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: I know the increased rents will incentivize the renters to
• 43:31
  Speaker 2: stop renting and buy the new cheap home you're on
• 43:35
  Speaker 2: the market because the proper marketers crashed. Yeah, that's pretty good.
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: Let me work out. Let me just write it down
• 43:47
  Speaker 2: and work out a few of the kings. But that's
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: how I do it. How about this Gold Coast bulletin
• 43:53
  Speaker 2: arrested over extremist material? Says the front page, sikes terror charge.
• 43:59
  Speaker 2: This is terrorist or therapist? It's hard to know these days,
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: isn't it. Leitch, a Gold Coast psychologist whose eldest son
• 44:07
  Speaker 2: was previously charged with sharing violent extremist material, has now
• 44:11
  Speaker 2: also been arrested and charged by the Federal Australian Federal Police.
• 44:15
  Speaker 2: Pacific Pines man doctor Gassan El Tartari fifty one, a
• 44:18
  Speaker 2: consultant psychiatrist and psychotherapist who works at Pediatric I It's
• 44:23
  Speaker 2: with the Kids at Pediatric Mental Health clinics at Pacific
• 44:25
  Speaker 2: Pines and Springwood, appeared in Southport Magistrates Court on Wednesday
• 44:29
  Speaker 2: afternoon for a bail application. Doctor El Tatari above is
• 44:33
  Speaker 2: facing seven charges, including one count of using a carriage
• 44:37
  Speaker 2: service for violent extremist material and of course he is
• 44:41
  Speaker 2: innocent until proven guilty and these are only allegations at
• 44:45
  Speaker 2: this point in time.
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: On the front of the Advertiser tomorrow, not an allegation,
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: but quite a striking story. Adelaidy city of fear after dark.
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: Now I would have expected this on the front of
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: the Herald's son Maybe not about Adelaide Melbourne, but the
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: substance of the story. I mean it is five out
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: of every six Adelaide City Council residents do not feel
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: safe late at night. A council report reveals the reports
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: is eighty nine percent feel safe during the day, but
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: that harves to forty four percent just after dark and
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: plunges to just seventeen percent between one am and eighteen.
• 45:24
  Speaker 2: Should find those seventeen percent, they must be feeling well.
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: It says women, older people and those with disabilities have
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: the worst safety perceptions, so you're probably looking for a man.
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: A restaurant owner Marlo McLachlan, nineteen of Blackwood said more
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: often than not she felt unsafe walking to Adelaide railway
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: station from her job. I mean, what an indictment.
• 45:44
  Speaker 3: That is really bad?
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: Adelaide like, so eleven percent of reasons say they would
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: feel safe to go out after one am. Now now
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean I spent a lot ask
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: you what living experience living in Adelaide. I spent a
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: lot of time out after one am, and somehow I
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: survived it.
• 46:02
  Speaker 2: But part of that.
• 46:06
  Speaker 4: I can understand why women do. Women the elderly. I
• 46:08
  Speaker 4: think that you know that women do. I think you
• 46:10
  Speaker 4: always have to just look.
• 46:11
  Speaker 2: Over worse in Adelaide than other cities. Like I've always
• 46:16
  Speaker 2: thought of Adelaide. I love Adelaide. I've always thought of
• 46:19
  Speaker 2: it as a nice friendly.
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: I'm really surprised by that after the break you won't
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: believe this will In fact, you'll have to because it
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: actually happened. The cat could survive four hours in a
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: tumble dry. I'm not joking that go away. If you
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: could go to the pub with anyone, who would you pick? Dan?
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: Not me, clearly because you didn't respond to my text.
• 46:43
  Speaker 4: No, No, I'd love to get a drink with Paul McCartney.
• 46:47
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, what about you too?
• 46:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'd like to get a drink with you and
• 46:51
  Speaker 2: Paul McCartney. Oh okay, there you go inviting me to the.
• 46:57
  Speaker 4: To be honest, Joe, sorry, sorry, but look, but look,
• 47:02
  Speaker 4: Pauline Hanson's over in the UK right now, and guess
• 47:04
  Speaker 4: who she caught up with for a drink from a
• 47:07
  Speaker 4: neighbor star and hit songwriter with a kiss kiss, Holly Lance.
• 47:12
  Speaker 4: There's the two of them out at Jeremy Clarkson's Cotswold
• 47:15
  Speaker 4: Pub on a very sweltering day in the English countryside
• 47:19
  Speaker 4: having a pipe together. What a what a duo Holly
• 47:22
  Speaker 4: for Lance, I love her views. I think she's been
• 47:24
  Speaker 4: so strong and obviously she teamed up with Pauline Hanson
• 47:27
  Speaker 4: and she did a little song.
• 47:28
  Speaker 3: Remember the song that.
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: There was a revised version of Kiss Kiss, wasn't it.
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: Look at the head on that.
• 47:34
  Speaker 2: Either date or Mary Kaylene.
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: I'm not going there. Look at the head on that beer.
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: That's that's that's quite something. I think Jeremy Clarkson might
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: have gone down and had a word with them after that.
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: Now what sound does a cat normally make? Maw? Yeah,
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: something like that. What's the time? Was? Do you reckon
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: a cat?
• 47:55
  Speaker 4: Would you always make me the dunce of this show?
• 47:57
  Speaker 4: You you make a meal?
• 47:58
  Speaker 3: You make what.
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: Sort of noise do you were going a cat would make?
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: After four hours in a tumble dry? Not to pick
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: me a good one? I would in thought. But this
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: cat from Melbourne, Persian Cat eleven years old, has survived
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: four hours in the tumble dry. Can you believe came
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: out of the tumbles winning because it was warm. Obviously
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: needed two days of intravenous fluids oxygen main relief because
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: of course it was a bit of an ordeal, but
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: apart from that was totally fine. Imagine surviving four hours.
• 48:30
  Speaker 3: In the tumbl nine lives.
• 48:32
  Speaker 2: Fine, live five four hours in a tumble driver, but
• 48:34
  Speaker 2: you can't survive four hours in the badlands of Kakado
• 48:38
  Speaker 2: National Park. Check Out this British tourist who thought that
• 48:42
  Speaker 2: her tool guide was scamming her by telling her to
• 48:44
  Speaker 2: stay in the vehicle of the kroc infested area.
• 48:48
  Speaker 9: I paid one hundred and fifty pounds for a detour
• 48:50
  Speaker 9: of one of Australia's largest national parks, Takadu be this
• 48:53
  Speaker 9: wet season. We weren't allowed to get out of the vehicle,
• 48:56
  Speaker 9: which I thought, is.
• 48:58
  Speaker 3: This a scam?
• 48:59
  Speaker 9: Somebody ask why we're not allowed, and it's because there
• 49:02
  Speaker 9: are like two hundred and fifty thousand saltwater crocodiles that
• 49:06
  Speaker 9: kill people in this area and they could literally be
• 49:09
  Speaker 9: like in the puddles and you wouldn't be able to
• 49:11
  Speaker 9: see them.
• 49:13
  Speaker 2: The only scam is that you get to live, so welcome,
• 49:18
  Speaker 2: Please come again soon.
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: What do you reckon Bob kend They have to say, you.
• 49:22
  Speaker 2: Know, crocodiles and cada She thought it.
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: Was a croc is the basis of this story. Thank
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: you so much for joining us tonight. Up next to
• 49:31
  Speaker 1: read a pen rita Penney, hosted by James Morrow. Good Night,