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Credlin | 16 July · Credlin

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Speaker 1: Peter Krandland live on Sky News Australia.
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Speaker 2: Good evening, Welcome to the program. Here's what's coming up
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Speaker 2: on Kredlin this evening, Live to the UK with a
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Speaker 2: father of murdered backpacker, Peter Falconio has given his first
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Speaker 2: interview following the death of the outback killer Bradley John Murdoch.
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Speaker 2: This is a dad who after all these years, just
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Speaker 2: wanted to know where to find his son's body and
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Speaker 2: fears that location may now have been taken to.
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Speaker 3: The grave by Murdoch.
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Speaker 2: Education Minister Jason Flairclaire has today flagged legislation to be
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Speaker 2: introduced next week, which he says will be the first
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Speaker 2: step in cleaning up the childair industry. But when's the
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Speaker 2: government going to put the power and the billions in
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Speaker 2: funding back in the hands of parents? On that more
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Speaker 2: shocking revelations about how government, state and federal are letting
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Speaker 2: down families as more children today are found to be
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Speaker 2: at risk from alleged.
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Speaker 3: Predatory childcare workers.
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Speaker 2: There is a new lobby group that's now been formed
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Speaker 2: and they want it all centered back on family.
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Speaker 3: They're asking for change.
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Speaker 2: We'll speak with them tonight and as the primeteris it
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Speaker 2: plays down plays the tourists at the Great Wall of China. Today,
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Speaker 2: It's clear Anthony are uneasy is sticking very tightly to
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Speaker 2: the script.
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Speaker 3: On Taiwan.
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Speaker 4: We support the status quote. We support the status quote
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Speaker 4: on Taiwan Australia's position of support for the status quote.
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Speaker 2: I've got Greg Sharan coming up on that in a moment.
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Speaker 2: The first, if voters have lost trust in government, it's
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Speaker 2: because governments have become much better at striking a pose.
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Speaker 3: Than making a difference.
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Speaker 2: That's the main reason why the last federal election, when
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Speaker 2: asked to choose between labor and Liberal, about a third
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Speaker 2: of you said or neither and instead voted for minor
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Speaker 2: parties or independents, even though because they'll never form government,
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Speaker 2: they're even less likely than the others to get things done.
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Speaker 5: Right.
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Speaker 2: Now, there's two classic illustrations of mental dithering on two
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Speaker 2: really important subjects for the future of our country. Now,
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Speaker 2: what could be more important than keeping our children safe?
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Speaker 2: As we've been reminded by the horrific case of the
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Speaker 2: childcare worker who were allegedly raped up to eight children
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Speaker 2: under the age of two, it's almost impossible to keep
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Speaker 2: track of who's working where in the childcare centers that
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Speaker 2: economic necessity forces parents to.
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Speaker 3: Place their kids in.
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Speaker 2: Today it emerged that there's been a further four Melbourne
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Speaker 2: childcare centers with this alleged child rapist, this alleged pedophile
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Speaker 2: has worked. Now, why was this alleged monster's employment history
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Speaker 2: not known straight away when the charges were first laid
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Speaker 2: a couple of weeks ago, so that at least all
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Speaker 2: the affected families could know straight away rather than having
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Speaker 2: this drawn out and traumatic.
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Speaker 3: News go on for weeks. Well, I'll tell you why.
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Speaker 2: Because this case has exposed the fact that there is
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Speaker 2: no centralized record of childcare workers in Victoria, who they
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Speaker 2: are and where they work. No one in government or
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Speaker 2: Victoria police could enter this bloke's nave into a database
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Speaker 2: and get hold of every place he worked to help
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Speaker 2: locate other potential victims of his depravity.
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Speaker 3: Now are you surprised?
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Speaker 2: I certainly am, given them as taxpayers were slug some
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Speaker 2: sixteen billion dollars a year to prop up the whole
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Speaker 2: childcare system. So what then happened when the allegations of
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Speaker 2: this man's depredations emerged or versus? The Victorian government was
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Speaker 2: briefed then they sat on the news for a week
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Speaker 2: in order to work out their media strategies if anyone
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Speaker 2: can spin their way out of this, and the Premier
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Speaker 2: then announced inquiry yet another inquiry, so she could effectively
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Speaker 2: shut down any many media pursuit of the crisis by
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Speaker 2: saying I can't come on that it's now all under review.
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Speaker 3: Now.
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Speaker 2: What she didn't do, and what she should have done
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Speaker 2: absolutely immediately was recalled a parliament to at least show
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Speaker 2: that her government's taking the problem seriously and put in
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Speaker 2: place a register of sex offenders so that any of
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Speaker 2: these individuals could never find their way back into any
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Speaker 2: job in a childcare center. And I say any job.
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Speaker 2: We'll get to that in environment now. As well as
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Speaker 2: all of that, there should be a proper childcare worker
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Speaker 2: registration system so that when problems like this arise, they
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Speaker 2: could be tracked down quickly and be affected centers and
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Speaker 2: families notified. Now, to be sure, there's already a thicket
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Speaker 2: of regulations on childcare workers, but inexplicably it doesn't seem
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Speaker 2: to be a central registry of who works where. And
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Speaker 2: while there's a child sex offenders database, it's not readily
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Speaker 2: accessible by childcare centers. Now, I don't just want a
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Speaker 2: database here for childcare workers either, not just childcare workers.
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Speaker 3: It's bigger than that.
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Speaker 2: Joshua Dale Brown, he was a childcare worker. But what
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Speaker 2: about this man too, Christopher Rankin, a cleaner at a
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Speaker 2: Mildura childcare center, Victoria.
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Speaker 3: He's been charged with.
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Speaker 2: Multiple counts of producing and possessing some five thousand images
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Speaker 2: of child abuse.
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Speaker 3: Now he has been charged.
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Speaker 2: But he's also being bailed, bailed out the community if
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Speaker 2: you can believe it. Or what about this bloke, Ron
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Speaker 2: Marks from Horsham convicted and sentenced two weeks ago for
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Speaker 2: accessing almost one thousand images of Hena's child abuse material,
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Speaker 2: including beast reality and torture imagery. But he was allowed
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Speaker 2: to still attend the local childcare center in Horsham and
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Speaker 2: deliver lessons on Aboriginal culture throughout the whole two year
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Speaker 2: period that he was under investigation by Victoria police.
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Speaker 3: How did that happen?
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Speaker 2: Yet, instead of real action to protect our children, all
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Speaker 2: we're getting is chest beating and the ineffectual acts of
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Speaker 2: contrition from MPs like this.
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Speaker 6: My heart just breaks for the families who are living
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Speaker 6: every parent's worst nightmare.
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Speaker 7: It's everyone's worst nightmare to think that your child is.
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Speaker 8: In danger or in a risky situation and you haven't
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Speaker 8: been told for full facts.
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Speaker 7: It's just not good enough.
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Speaker 9: And you know the parents involved here just must be
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Speaker 9: feeling absolutely gutted.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, but all those parliaments New South Wales, Victoria and
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Speaker 2: the Federal Parliament, they're all on holiday. If this was
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Speaker 2: so serious, if this really is the parent's worst nightmare,
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Speaker 2: which it is, all those nps and ministers should be
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Speaker 2: back at work in parliament running to fix this bloody mess.
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Speaker 2: What about this today from the Children's Commissioner.
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Speaker 9: This is bigger than just early childhood and this is
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Speaker 9: a chance to say we have some missing accountability. Piece
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Speaker 9: is in the way that we govern the federation, the
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Speaker 9: way that we run our governments, and children have been
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Speaker 9: missing from our as a priority here.
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Speaker 2: I mean, who was she anyway, I've never seen her before.
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Speaker 2: If she's worth her job, she should resign. This has
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Speaker 2: all happened on her watch. I mean these are just
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Speaker 2: words and no comfort at all for parents that are
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Speaker 2: out there tonight getting their babies tested for gonerehea. Imagine
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Speaker 2: that a baby tested for goneohea. Then there's the ongoing
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Speaker 2: outbreaks of hatred against Australian Jews, now sooner than the
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Speaker 2: Prime Minister had released Jillian Siegel's report into antisemitism last
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Speaker 2: week and promised, as he did, to take its recommendation seriously.
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Speaker 2: There was yet another Jew hating demonstration in Melbourne on
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Speaker 2: the weekend, and again the only policing was to make
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Speaker 2: sure no one was interfering with the protesters or risking
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Speaker 2: their wrath. It was all about keeping the peace, not
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Speaker 2: enforcing the law. Now our governments so serious about ending
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Speaker 2: the intimidation of Jewish Australian they'd ban and break up
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Speaker 2: these demonstrations as they did during the Freedom protest during
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Speaker 2: the pandemic. If that requires extra laws like a permit
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Speaker 2: system which Victoria doesn't have, or move on powers for
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Speaker 2: police which it repealed in twenty fifteen, we'll get the
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Speaker 2: Parliament back pass them swiftly instead. Today the Federal Government
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Speaker 2: said it couldn't act on the Seagull recommendations until let
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Speaker 2: it also received the report from its Envoy into Islamophobia.
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Speaker 8: I'm saying that we're considering it carefully. We've got to
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Speaker 8: consult as part of that. I want to see what
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Speaker 8: the Special Envoy on Islamophobia has to say as well,
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Speaker 8: I think that's fair. I think that's the right thing
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Speaker 8: to do.
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Speaker 2: That's probably because his seat is thirty percent Muslim. Now,
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Speaker 2: this is yet another report not commissioned because Islamophobia is
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Speaker 2: a real problem, but because the Almanzi government was terrified
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Speaker 2: of an electoral backlash in seats like that from Islamist voters. Now, Honestly,
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Speaker 2: if you want to know why so many voters have
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Speaker 2: lost their faith in government, this is it.
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Speaker 3: Right now, back to Beijing for a moment.
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Speaker 2: The Prime Minister was able to avoid discussing the port
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Speaker 2: of Darwin because he says it wasn't raised in his
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Speaker 2: meeting with the Chinese president Xijingping. But it seems that
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Speaker 2: his Chinese hosts were running a bit of a good
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Speaker 2: cop bad cop routine, with Xijingping mostly inscrutable Chinese sweetness
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Speaker 2: and light and the tough stuff mostly left for Albanese
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Speaker 2: is direct counterpart. This is China's number two, Li Cheung,
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Speaker 2: who said pointedly that he quote trusted that Australia would
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Speaker 2: treat Chinese enterprises fairly. Clearly, this is a rebut of
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Speaker 2: our policies on foreign investment, especially on any business with
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Speaker 2: links to the Chinese Communist Party.
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Speaker 10: We will protect the creates and interests of foreign industries,
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Speaker 10: foreign businesses and entrepreneurs in accordance with the law, and
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Speaker 10: they trust that Australia will also treat Chinese enterprises fairly
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Speaker 10: and also properly resolve issue the issues being conter in
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Speaker 10: terms of market access and investment review.
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Speaker 2: Now, it doesn't tate a genius to understand that was
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Speaker 2: well and truly a reference to the Port of Darwin.
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Speaker 2: But place does anyone think that an Australian business would
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Speaker 2: be allowed to buy and control a keyboard in China?
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Speaker 3: That's the point, isn't it.
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Speaker 2: I mean, why should the Chinese be able to do
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Speaker 2: here in Australia we can't do in China. All of
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Speaker 2: this leaves our Prime Minister with a hard choice. Either
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Speaker 2: he honors his election commitment to restore the Port of
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Speaker 2: Darwin to Australian ownership, or it looks like he's caved
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Speaker 2: in to the Communist Chin So what's it to be
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Speaker 2: us or them?
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Speaker 3: Prime Minister?
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Speaker 2: All right, let's got a campra off the headlines joining
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Speaker 2: us now Skynese political reporter Reuben Spargo.
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Speaker 1: The Prime Minister is using his remaining days in China
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Speaker 1: to strengthen tires and see the sites he was tackling
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Speaker 1: uphill battles head on. Like Australia's investment in Orcas Submarines.
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Speaker 4: We are investing in our capability and we're investing in
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Speaker 4: our relationships, so we need a defense force.
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Speaker 1: The Prime Minister met China's President on Tuesday, not long
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Speaker 1: before Jijiping. Welcome Russia's foreign minister to Beijing as Vladimir
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Speaker 1: Putin prepares to visit later this year. The war against
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Speaker 1: Ukraine is raging on.
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Speaker 4: There are a range of conflicts in the world too many.
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Speaker 4: Our position on Ukraine is consistent, is clear, is advocated
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Speaker 4: Anthony Aberaneze.
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Speaker 1: He will fly home at the end of the week.
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Speaker 1: Treasury Boss has a surprising productivity fix and it's not
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Speaker 1: tax reform. Ken Henry claims the key to kickstarting Australia's
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Speaker 1: economy is overhauling its environmental laws.
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Speaker 8: Reform is absolutely essential and the time to get this
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Speaker 8: done is now.
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Speaker 1: The chair of the Climate and Biodiversity Foundation claims the
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Speaker 1: current approval system is broken and holding back vital projects,
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Speaker 1: including minds, housing and renewable projects. The Alberaneze government delayed
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Speaker 1: promised reform's last term, fearing a voter backlash in Western Australia.
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Speaker 1: The opposition is signaling it's open to working with labor
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Speaker 1: on a deal.
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Speaker 3: I need to get across.
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Speaker 2: Johnmy ow Skin is contributor to Jamie Rodgers and from
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Speaker 2: the Women's Forum Australia Stephanie Bastian Ladies welcome. We'll start
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Speaker 2: with that speech there by Ken Henry to the Press
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Speaker 2: Club today. He was, of course the author of the
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Speaker 2: famous Henry Review on tax reform received in the Rudd
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Speaker 2: Gaven era that sort of went nowhere. Lots of sort
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Speaker 2: of fireworks at the time, but not a lot in
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Speaker 2: terms of outcomes. He's now the chair of Climate and
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Speaker 2: Biodiversity Foundation. He wants environmental reforms. We just heard from him, Jamie.
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Speaker 2: Do you think the governments are going to pick up
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Speaker 2: on these reforms. There's a whole lot of green tape,
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Speaker 2: obviously we know, dragging down business in this country. But
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Speaker 2: it's a bit of a poacher term gamekeeper. I don't
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Speaker 2: know that I'd want Ken Henry near any of this
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Speaker 2: environmental reform, to be honest, Yeah, Peter.
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Speaker 5: I mean the business sector has been calling for reform
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Speaker 5: in this sector just to be able to boost economic growth,
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Speaker 5: because we have seen that approvals are so slow in
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Speaker 5: sections like vital projects of mining and housing and roads
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Speaker 5: and infrastructure, and they all need to be delivered efficiently
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Speaker 5: and quickly and in a way that also can protect
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Speaker 5: or suppose the environment as well. But it's just enhancing
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Speaker 5: that economic resilience. Now, the Albanezer government were supposed to
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Speaker 5: bring in these reforms last term, but then, as we know,
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Speaker 5: they had a bit of fear over some voter backlash
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Speaker 5: over and so Albanizi has said to Environmental Minister Murray
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Speaker 5: what he has said to go and make a deal
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Speaker 5: with the coalition and Opposition leader Susan Lee has indicated
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Speaker 5: that she is open to doing.
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Speaker 3: A deal with labor.
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Speaker 5: But it will be interesting to see what does come
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Speaker 5: out of this. We've seen a good example with Rio
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Speaker 5: Tinto where they spoke about the Productivity Commission about how
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Speaker 5: long it takes to get a mine approved. They said
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Speaker 5: it's eighteen months longer than what it was five years ago.
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Speaker 5: And when the approval does finally come through, it is
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Speaker 5: so full of different red tape, as you mentioned at
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Speaker 5: the top, that it makes it almost impossible to go
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Speaker 5: ahead with the project. So at the Productivity round table
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Speaker 5: that Jim Chalmers will be hosting next month, that is
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Speaker 5: one of the elements that will be spoken about.
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Speaker 3: But it will be interesting to see.
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Speaker 5: At the end of the day, Peter, we just need
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Speaker 5: to make it easier to do business in this country.
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Speaker 3: I couldn't agree more.
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Speaker 2: But I read the submission from RIO for the review
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Speaker 2: the Productivities summit. They actually want a carbon tax. I mean,
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Speaker 2: this is a mining company. It's wanting a carbon tax.
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Speaker 2: We know the Australian public don't want a carbon tax,
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Speaker 2: but this is the problem. I mean, Stephanie, we had
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Speaker 2: those laws on the table, as Jamie points out before
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Speaker 2: the last election. We saw what happened when WA went
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Speaker 2: down the path and you know they'll basically saying to
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Speaker 2: anyone with a farm, you can't dig a hole, you
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Speaker 2: can't move a fence. They were rapidly reversed. The pm
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Speaker 2: men got spooked. He scrapped the federal version. My fear
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Speaker 2: is if they're back on the table under Labor, particularly
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Speaker 2: if people like Ken Henry have got some say, we'll
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Speaker 2: get terrible environmental laws and we'll have more problems with projects.
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Speaker 2: I mean, if you want to get the country moving,
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Speaker 2: get Jena and Reinhardt to review these laws. They don't
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Speaker 2: shake things up.
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Speaker 3: Oh, absolutely, Peter.
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Speaker 11: The problem with these legislations is with green tape in particular,
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Speaker 11: is that it kills productivity because it's weaponized by lobby
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Speaker 11: groups to shut down the industries they don't approve of.
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Speaker 11: And an example of this is the timber industry. Long
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Speaker 11: before the Victorian government shut down the industry all together,
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Speaker 11: these lobby groups were taking timber mill businesses to court,
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Speaker 11: drowning them in legislation and slowing up their businesses. The
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Speaker 11: industry is now completely shut down all together in Victoria,
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Speaker 11: and we are now importing Australian hardwood from overseas, driving
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Speaker 11: up the cost of living in the cost to produce
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Speaker 11: things like homes. But of course you've got that loss
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Speaker 11: of business and jobs in those regional towns where those
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Speaker 11: timber mills were operating.
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Speaker 2: Let's get another issue, because it's going to get worse
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Speaker 2: before it gets better. We've got people, as we know,
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Speaker 2: in the age care with the aging community. I won't
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Speaker 2: call it age care a mixture of home care packages
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Speaker 2: because people don't want to go into a facility they
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Speaker 2: want support at home, to stay at home as long
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Speaker 2: as they can Jamie, and when they get to the
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Speaker 2: point where they need acute care, that's when they go
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Speaker 2: into some sort of age care facility residential facility. Now
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Speaker 2: the problem is you've got about eighty eight thousand people
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Speaker 2: on a weight list and it is growing. And the
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Speaker 2: analysts out there today, Australian Unity and others say, we
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Speaker 2: don't get this weight list moving. If we don't get
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Speaker 2: these people supported in their homes, they will be part
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Speaker 2: of a cohort that takes up some six hundred thousand
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Speaker 2: beds hospital beds. It should be used for hospital people,
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Speaker 2: not age care people. By the end of the year. Now,
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Speaker 2: I fear Labours trying to do to age care what
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Speaker 2: they've done to childcare. They want to starve off all
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Speaker 2: the options. They want to get people out of home
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Speaker 2: care because it's not unionized into aged care centers which
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Speaker 2: are unionized, which is precisely what they've done with childcare.
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Speaker 2: I think I want Australians to understand what's going on.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, it's extremely concerning when you see that the wait
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Speaker 5: list could be up to one hundred thousand people by
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Speaker 5: the end of this year. And you have to also
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Speaker 5: think about the onflow effect of the cares and the
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Speaker 5: families that are having to also step in and look
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Speaker 5: after their loved ones while they're waiting to be able
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Speaker 5: to get a bed. And as you mentioned, this will
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Speaker 5: then impact six hundred thousand hospital beds over things like
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Speaker 5: a four that they could have had if they were
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Speaker 5: in proper care versus having to go out into the
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Speaker 5: hospital and take up those resources there. We need to
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Speaker 5: make sure that we're moving away from this one size
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Speaker 5: fits or model that we are seeing with the childcare
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Speaker 5: system and we're now seeing it with the age care system.
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Speaker 5: We have to be able to give families and people choice.
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Speaker 5: What works best for you, what works best for your family.
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Speaker 5: Think about those rural communities that have no other option
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Speaker 5: at all. So the Albanizi government needs to step up
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Speaker 5: and start providing more options for family so that they
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Speaker 5: can do what's best for them. And they do need
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Speaker 5: to be releasing more of these promised role out of
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Speaker 5: those new home care packages pretty quickly. It'd at least
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Speaker 5: start getting that moving, but then also start building other
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Speaker 5: aged care facilities. I know my mum is in one
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Speaker 5: and it's being left right to ruin at the moment.
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Speaker 5: It's got people that haven't been moving out and not
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Speaker 5: anyone coming back in. So the sector has a lot
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Speaker 5: of people that need to be looking into it, but
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Speaker 5: also the fact that there's hardly any staff working in
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Speaker 5: there as well. It's a huge problem that really needs
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Speaker 5: to be addressed urgently.
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Speaker 2: Most of these people were talking about to pay taxes
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Speaker 2: all their lives. The least we can do is look
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Speaker 2: after them in their aged years. Step you know, I
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Speaker 2: know you're a mom, and I know you look at
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Speaker 2: this policy very very closely. I want your take on
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Speaker 2: that shocking report we got this week. But between twenty
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Speaker 2: sixteen and twenty nineteen, there were nearly eight hundred more
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Speaker 2: stillbirths or neoonatal deaths in public hospitals compared to private hospitals,
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Speaker 2: and I have a ten thousand additional maternal hemorrhages.
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Speaker 11: It's absolutely those statistics are devastating. I had my first
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Speaker 11: three children in public care and move to private, particularly
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Speaker 11: because I found that there was a lack of autonomy
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Speaker 11: when it came to receiving care in public hospitals, being
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Speaker 11: able to advocate for things that you need. Women know
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Speaker 11: their bodies, they often know their children as well, and
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Speaker 11: so when it comes to pushing for the health and
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Speaker 11: support they need, quite often it's dismissed for a more
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Speaker 11: for a more expert opinion, and it's just not the
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Speaker 11: case in private When you are the payer, you often
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Speaker 11: get that response much more quickly. What I think we
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Speaker 11: need is an overhaul where women are empowered in public care,
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Speaker 11: but we need to make private healthcare more affordable. At
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Speaker 11: the moment, premiums for private health that include maternity care
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Speaker 11: sit around about that seven thousand dollars a year, and
20:18
Speaker 11: a cost of living crisis. That's a luxury that has
20:20
Speaker 11: to go on top of that, you've got obstetric. So
20:22
Speaker 11: I think in addition to reform to the public system,
20:25
Speaker 11: it would be good to see some pressure on insurance
20:27
Speaker 11: companies to provide more bang for your back when it
20:31
Speaker 11: comes to private health insurance, particularly those obstetric fees that
20:35
Speaker 11: can also rack up to six seven thousand dollars.
20:39
Speaker 2: Good and cremore, I'll leave it there, thank you both.
20:42
Speaker 2: Let's go back to the PM's trip to China or
20:44
Speaker 2: smiles today as you play the tourist at the Great War.
20:47
Speaker 2: Pretty good at the photo op, is it? He in
20:48
Speaker 2: not's so good standing up to Beijing on issues that matter.
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Speaker 2: Jonathan ow Our Foreign editg at The Australian Greg Sheridan, Greg,
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Speaker 2: I love this line you had the other day saying
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Speaker 2: not this trip and not at this time. Explain why
21:03
Speaker 2: the destination and the duration of the PM's trip to
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Speaker 2: China right now so problematic.
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Speaker 12: Well, Peter, it's great to be with you, I must say.
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Speaker 12: The more I look at this with the cold eye
21:15
Speaker 12: of national interest, I think what on earth was going
21:18
Speaker 12: through the Prime Minister's mind to agree to a six
21:21
Speaker 12: day trip to China while Operation Talisman Saber was being
21:27
Speaker 12: conducted in Australia, when the Australia US Alliance is under
21:31
Speaker 12: more strain and under more neglect from both sides Washington
21:36
Speaker 12: and Canberra than it's been for many, many years, at
21:39
Speaker 12: a time of acute security danger for Australia. Albanesi has
21:44
Speaker 12: secured nothing in China. There's been no substance in this trip.
21:47
Speaker 12: He's got nothing out of it. He's given massive propaganda
21:51
Speaker 12: benefits to the Chinese government. He has given great leverage
21:56
Speaker 12: to the Chinese government over Australia, and he is undertaken
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Speaker 12: the single longest bilateral trip to one nation in his
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Speaker 12: entire Prime ministership, with our strategic competitor, with the nation
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Speaker 12: which routinely conducts cyber espionage against US, puts Our forces
22:16
Speaker 12: at risk. As an Australian citizen as a hostage, he
22:19
Speaker 12: couldn't do a day in Tokyo and a day in
22:22
Speaker 12: Seoul with our strategic partners.
22:24
Speaker 13: I think it's.
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Speaker 12: Unfathomably stupid for Albanezi to have done this. It plays
22:31
Speaker 12: to labor legend and myth making, but it's no good
22:34
Speaker 12: for Australia. It's no good for his government, and it's
22:36
Speaker 12: very bad for the Australia US relationship on which.
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Speaker 13: Our security incidentally depends.
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Speaker 2: When it was pushed the other day, he said Tony
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Speaker 2: Abbott went to China before he went to Washington. Well,
22:50
Speaker 2: I make the point Tony Abbott had already met President
22:52
Speaker 2: Obama that had a one on one, a private one
22:55
Speaker 2: on one that had a number of interactions, and almost
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Speaker 2: immediately after he did a big Asia trip he did
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Speaker 2: go to Washington, and well, this bloke hasn't gone to Washington.
23:03
Speaker 2: But I also point out that on his way to Beijing,
23:08
Speaker 2: Abbott went to Tokyo then to sold them to Beijing
23:12
Speaker 2: to underscore the importance of South Korea and Japan to
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Speaker 2: Australia's national interest. And you're right about your point about
23:21
Speaker 2: Talisman Saber. But you and I know how the system works.
23:23
Speaker 2: He would have sat down with PM and C in
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Speaker 2: May after he won the election. They would have said, oh,
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Speaker 2: Prime Minister, here's all your options before the end of
23:31
Speaker 2: the year, and all the summits you might want to go.
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Speaker 2: He says, well, in addition to all of that, clearly
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Speaker 2: I want a trip to China. They would have said, well,
23:39
Speaker 2: hang on, Washington's becoming a bit urgent. He clearly put
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Speaker 2: China on the table. He clearly signed off on it
23:45
Speaker 2: being six days, and he knows exactly when Talisman Saber is.
23:50
Speaker 2: So I see this as a very deliberate message to Beijing,
23:55
Speaker 2: not an accident, but a message to Beijing that, yeah,
23:59
Speaker 2: you've got some allies over there who were training and
24:01
Speaker 2: exercising worried about China.
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Speaker 3: But I am here.
24:04
Speaker 2: So I am sending you a message that we are
24:07
Speaker 2: transcending that worry and that's a concern.
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Speaker 13: Yeah.
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Speaker 12: Look, that's a very fair interpretation, Peter. Oddly enough, I've
24:16
Speaker 12: been discussing this very subject at length with all kinds
24:19
Speaker 12: of well informed sources this afternoon. The consensus view I
24:23
Speaker 12: have arrived at is, you know, emotionally and logically similar
24:28
Speaker 12: to yours, but just marginally different. What I'm being told
24:32
Speaker 12: really is that this was China's initiative. I mean, you
24:34
Speaker 12: don't get to see the Chinese president at a time
24:37
Speaker 12: of your choosing. You get to see the Chinese president
24:40
Speaker 12: at a time of the Chinese president's choosing.
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Speaker 13: And they knew exactly.
24:44
Speaker 12: When Talisman's saber was on, and they were delighted to
24:48
Speaker 12: welcome Albanesi and flatter him at the time of Talisman's saber.
24:54
Speaker 13: Now they've got a great deal.
24:56
Speaker 12: Out of this trip, and Albanesi has got nothing a tourism.
25:00
Speaker 12: You know, we're going to promote tourism. We're going to
25:02
Speaker 12: make green Metal in two thousand and sixty at a
25:05
Speaker 12: huge premium, and China's going to buy it because of
25:08
Speaker 12: their commitment to net zero.
25:10
Speaker 13: Will give me a break.
25:11
Speaker 12: I'd like to sell the government the Harbor Bridge about
25:13
Speaker 12: twenty eight times over if.
25:15
Speaker 13: It believes nonsense like that.
25:17
Speaker 12: He hasn't raised any difficult issues with the Chinese leadership.
25:21
Speaker 12: I mean, I think this has been really a very
25:24
Speaker 12: damaging trip. I don't mind him going to China to
25:28
Speaker 12: transact business. It's still a very important relationship. Two days
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Speaker 12: in China along with two days in Japan and Korea,
25:35
Speaker 12: And further to your point, comparing him to Abbot is absurd.
25:38
Speaker 12: But also these are different times. This is a different China,
25:42
Speaker 12: a thousand times more aggressive, and a different American relationship.
25:46
Speaker 13: Much more difficult. Trump is difficult to manage.
25:49
Speaker 12: Not all the fault is Albanese's, but Albanesi is not
25:52
Speaker 12: managing him at all.
25:54
Speaker 3: Not at all, not at all.
25:56
Speaker 2: Just on that, Let's go to these meetings by Malcolm
25:58
Speaker 2: Turberin I now say meetings in plural terms, that he's
26:02
Speaker 2: had with Eldridge Colby. He's the under secretary of course
26:04
Speaker 2: for defense. What's the play here, Greg.
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Speaker 12: Well, I think there is a danger of over interpreting this.
26:14
Speaker 13: Term.
26:14
Speaker 12: Is a very very smart guy and very persuasive. But
26:18
Speaker 12: with no disrespect to him at all, I don't think
26:21
Speaker 12: he would have moved Elbridge Colby's views on these matters
26:24
Speaker 12: by a single millimeter. Elbridge Colby has very very well
26:28
Speaker 12: established views. Elbridge Colby is also until he went into
26:31
Speaker 12: the Trump administration a very prominent fixture on the Washington
26:35
Speaker 12: think tank circuit. Anyone who was inquiring about China in Washington,
26:40
Speaker 12: you know, there's six or ten people that you'd go
26:43
Speaker 12: and see, and Elbridge Colby was one of them. Now,
26:47
Speaker 12: I think Elbridge Colby has probably been marginally misinterpreted about
26:51
Speaker 12: what he's asking for US on Taiwan. He's probably asking
26:55
Speaker 12: more for joint planning than a commitment to go to war,
26:58
Speaker 12: although we're not sure because you know, we don't have
27:01
Speaker 12: it from the horse's mouth. But all the other questions
27:03
Speaker 12: that Elbridge Colby is asking about UCUS are balant questions,
27:07
Speaker 12: and they're critical of his own nation. They're saying, well,
27:10
Speaker 12: Americans are not building enough nuclear submarines. Now we had
27:14
Speaker 12: four years of Biden and now we've had eight months
27:17
Speaker 12: of Trump and they still haven't increased the tempo of
27:20
Speaker 12: their submarine building.
27:21
Speaker 13: This is a big American.
27:23
Speaker 12: Failure in August, but there are huge Australian failures. It
27:27
Speaker 12: is completely inconceivable that we can spend this peddling amount
27:30
Speaker 12: of money on defense and live up to our end
27:35
Speaker 12: of the Orcust bargain. Why should they give the most
27:39
Speaker 12: important military technology they have to us? If we patently
27:44
Speaker 12: don't take defense seriously. Elbridge Colby is right to ask
27:48
Speaker 12: that question, and Albaneze should answer Elbridge Colby's questions. And
27:52
Speaker 12: he has no answer because his own spending is out
27:55
Speaker 12: of control. His budget is out of control, and he's
27:59
Speaker 12: not willing to spend it more on defense. And there's
28:01
Speaker 12: not a person in Australia who is not directly on
28:04
Speaker 12: Albanese's payroll who thinks we're spending enough money on defense.
28:08
Speaker 12: So a lot of what Colby says about UCUS it's
28:11
Speaker 12: very disagreeable to an Australian ear but there's a lot
28:16
Speaker 12: of truth to it. Colby is no fool and he's
28:18
Speaker 12: not trying to blow up aucus. He's trying to get
28:20
Speaker 12: us to be a partner and an ally rather than
28:23
Speaker 12: a passenger and a freeloader.
28:27
Speaker 2: I'll leave there, Greg, but to tell you, if you've
28:29
Speaker 2: been ringing around getting the inside drum and what's happened
28:32
Speaker 2: behind the scenes in relation to this trip. We're going
28:34
Speaker 2: to read your columns coming up in the Australian with interest,
28:36
Speaker 2: and right on Q we'll got the Prime Minister.
28:38
Speaker 3: Their landing in Chindu.
28:39
Speaker 2: This is his last stop before he heads back to Australian.
28:42
Speaker 2: Of course, Parliament returns. Federal Parliament returns next week, formally
28:46
Speaker 2: listening on the Tuesday, but the events on Monday.
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Speaker 3: Thanks Greg after the rate.
28:50
Speaker 2: The father of Peter Falconier speaks out after the death
28:53
Speaker 2: today of Bradley John Murdoch, and it would seem no
28:58
Speaker 2: information about the whereabouts of his son's body. Plus more
29:02
Speaker 2: babies and toddlers linked to the Victorian police linked by
29:05
Speaker 2: the Victorian police to the alleged pedophile Joshua Dale Brown.
29:09
Speaker 2: It's getting worse after the break. Welcome back the renewed
29:18
Speaker 2: push for more parental choice in childcare. We'll get to
29:21
Speaker 2: that in a moment, but first, the father a murdered
29:23
Speaker 2: backpacker Pedofalconio has given his first interview after hearing about
29:27
Speaker 2: the news of and I that Bradley John Murdoch has
29:29
Speaker 2: died in prison. Speaking to Sophiel's Worth, Luciano Falconio's said,
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Speaker 2: I wish he had left something for me to find him.
29:36
Speaker 2: I wish he had left something. Jordan Ow News cor
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Speaker 2: Correspondence kind his contributor Sophiel's Worth, well.
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Speaker 3: It's palpable that that heartbreak.
29:47
Speaker 2: There for the dad after all those years not to
29:51
Speaker 2: have any sense of where you can find the body
29:54
Speaker 2: of your loved one and give them the burial that
29:57
Speaker 2: they deserve. I mean, you would have held out hope, surely, Sophie,
30:00
Speaker 2: that on his death bed there might have been some
30:02
Speaker 2: sort of confession.
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Speaker 3: Absolutely, Peter.
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Speaker 14: Look, I spoke to mister Falconio just several hours after
30:11
Speaker 14: the news broke that Bradley Murdock had died, and he
30:16
Speaker 14: was in shock when I delivered the news to him.
30:19
Speaker 14: He asked me several times, he is dead, you know,
30:24
Speaker 14: questioning is this true. They've had many reports over the
30:27
Speaker 14: years that he has had bad health, but that news
30:31
Speaker 14: was finally delivered that Bradley Murdock has died. But mister
30:35
Speaker 14: Falconio said he just really wishes that he was left
30:39
Speaker 14: with something to be able to find his son. That
30:42
Speaker 14: pain he suffers has never gone away, Peter, in twenty
30:46
Speaker 14: four years, and it was just the twenty fourth anniversary
30:50
Speaker 14: to the day on Monday when I first spoke to
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Speaker 14: mister Falconio this week, and then Bradley Murdock died the
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Speaker 14: next day. So they're just coming to terms with this news, Peter.
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Speaker 14: But very sad for them, obviously, now knowing they will
31:05
Speaker 14: never get that answer from Bradley Murdoch of where their
31:09
Speaker 14: son's body is.
31:13
Speaker 2: Even if they haven't clearly got it from Murdoch, do
31:16
Speaker 2: they live in hope that there'll be some sort of
31:18
Speaker 2: closure for them.
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Speaker 14: Well, it's very difficult for them to do that, Peter,
31:24
Speaker 14: because they felt speaking to me, that this was their
31:28
Speaker 14: last hope. Mister Felconio, he's eighty three years old. He
31:32
Speaker 14: said to me the other day he's worried he and
31:35
Speaker 14: his wife Joan will ever live long enough to know
31:39
Speaker 14: where their son's body is. He said that this pain
31:43
Speaker 14: that he lives with never goes away.
31:45
Speaker 3: Peter.
31:46
Speaker 14: He sometimes thinks about his son every day, every hour.
31:50
Speaker 14: But he has said to me last night here in
31:53
Speaker 14: London or here in West Yorkshire, that he has to
31:56
Speaker 14: move on with his life and he's had to do
31:58
Speaker 14: that to try and live with this pain, but get
32:01
Speaker 14: on with it. So extremely emotional time for them, Peter.
32:05
Speaker 14: He's a very gracious man, a very softly spoken man,
32:10
Speaker 14: and obviously this trauma that they have been through is
32:13
Speaker 14: very difficult to comprehend.
32:18
Speaker 2: Yeah, when I heard the news of mourdox death, you know,
32:20
Speaker 2: I obviously thought of the Falconio family and the lack
32:23
Speaker 2: of closure they got from his deathbed. I also thought
32:27
Speaker 2: of Joanne Lee's. I remember she copped a lot of
32:29
Speaker 2: criticism at the time because she didn't cry. I mean,
32:32
Speaker 2: imagine that sort of criticism today, twenty four years old.
32:35
Speaker 2: We just would not do that to somebody. But she
32:38
Speaker 2: lives not far from the Falconios. Do we have an
32:41
Speaker 2: update on her.
32:44
Speaker 14: So, Peter I did speak to her several months ago
32:47
Speaker 14: when news broke that he was living his last few months,
32:52
Speaker 14: and she spoke to me and said she didn't want
32:55
Speaker 14: to talk about this, the death of Peter Falconio or
32:58
Speaker 14: Bradley Murdock. She has not spoken in recent days, has
33:02
Speaker 14: not spoken since his death. She's largely remained very quiet
33:06
Speaker 14: on this, particularly in recent years. She has done some
33:10
Speaker 14: interviews over the years, but she absolutely with this heartbreaking
33:15
Speaker 14: trauma as well. Mister Falconio said he still speaks to
33:19
Speaker 14: Joe Anne Lee's. He spoke to her about a year ago.
33:21
Speaker 14: They lived very close by to each other. But tragedy
33:25
Speaker 14: for all involved in this. Peter and the answers still
33:28
Speaker 14: are not there where Peter Falconio's body is.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a terrible, terrible story. Thanks Sophie.
33:37
Speaker 2: Let's go back to the ongoing issue of childcare, which
33:39
Speaker 2: has been brought to inter focus since the revelations and
33:42
Speaker 2: an alleged predator targeting children in a Melbourne chalk As
33:46
Speaker 2: center's come to light. Today We've had more on this case.
33:49
Speaker 2: Joshua and Dale Brown worked across a number of services,
33:54
Speaker 2: more than originally reported, and there's now another eight hundred
33:59
Speaker 2: babies and toddlers identified now as needing to be tested
34:03
Speaker 2: for STDs. We know, of course, there were twelve hundred
34:07
Speaker 2: in the first batch. Now there's another eight hundred young
34:11
Speaker 2: young Australians. The government's failures here are manifest. They are
34:15
Speaker 2: failures across the board, unaccepted on every level. Launch now,
34:20
Speaker 2: in direct response to the crisis of childcare, is a
34:24
Speaker 2: child advocacy group called Full Parents, and they are now
34:28
Speaker 2: calling for more choice for parents about who was looking
34:31
Speaker 2: after their children when they have to return to work.
34:34
Speaker 2: And I'm pleased to say that a co founder, Jen Fleming,
34:37
Speaker 2: joins me. Now, Jen, thank you for your time in
34:40
Speaker 2: the program. I am sad that you've had to come
34:43
Speaker 2: into an into existence to fight on this issue, but
34:46
Speaker 2: I am very pleased you are, because I've been arguing
34:49
Speaker 2: for a long time and getting not very far, very fast,
34:53
Speaker 2: that we've got to give.
34:54
Speaker 3: Parents the choice.
34:55
Speaker 2: I mean, as taxpayers, I think we're incredibly generous, sixteen
34:58
Speaker 2: billion dollars on the table every single year, but it's
35:01
Speaker 2: one size fits all. Your kid's got to go into
35:03
Speaker 2: unionize child care, and you may not have many other
35:07
Speaker 2: options financially, so you have to accept their model, and
35:10
Speaker 2: they're letting us down right across the board.
35:16
Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 15: Absolutely, you are absolutely right, and there's no denying that.
35:20
Speaker 15: And I think we need to be brave enough to
35:21
Speaker 15: have this conversation. And our group started as a group
35:25
Speaker 15: of mums at a local playgroup saying enough is enough.
35:28
Speaker 15: We cannot let this one size fits all system be
35:31
Speaker 15: the only option for our children if and when we
35:34
Speaker 15: need to return to work as a woman and as
35:37
Speaker 15: a mother and as parents as well. But it is
35:40
Speaker 15: predominantly women that are missing out on the opportunity to
35:43
Speaker 15: go back to work, and as you say, this is
35:46
Speaker 15: the only option for them. We're in a system now,
35:50
Speaker 15: and in a state of the economy where both parents
35:52
Speaker 15: have to work to be able to pay rent or
35:55
Speaker 15: pay a mortgage or get food on the table. And
35:58
Speaker 15: we're not giving them choice. We're only saying to them,
36:01
Speaker 15: you have to use a childcare center. Even if they can,
36:04
Speaker 15: they don't want you, or they can't access one.
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Speaker 2: I would imagine what you're hearing in the media over
36:11
Speaker 2: written weeks would be ricocheting around mums. Dads too, but
36:17
Speaker 2: particularly around mums.
36:19
Speaker 3: Yeah.
36:20
Speaker 15: Yeah, it is every parent's worst nightmare. You cannot even
36:24
Speaker 15: begin to imagine how those families in Melbourne are feeling.
36:27
Speaker 15: And all mums feel this when they have to go
36:30
Speaker 15: back to work, they do tours of childcare centers, They
36:33
Speaker 15: put kids' names down while they're pregnant because it's the
36:35
Speaker 15: only option they have. And now they're starting to lose
36:39
Speaker 15: trust in this system and the government we feel needs
36:42
Speaker 15: to act and give them more choice and control over
36:44
Speaker 15: who's looking after their kids.
36:48
Speaker 2: I was surprised today when this extra eight hundred children
36:52
Speaker 2: were named as being at risk because he'd worked in
36:55
Speaker 2: additional childcare centers. I was shocked to find there's actually
36:59
Speaker 2: no centralized system that says, you know, if you look
37:01
Speaker 2: up his name, Joshua Dale Brown, here's everywhere he has
37:04
Speaker 2: ever worked. I mean, police and investigators have had to
37:06
Speaker 2: go to a range of childcare centers in the vicinity
37:11
Speaker 2: and ask everybody, did you ever employ this bloke? Now,
37:14
Speaker 2: surely parents should be able to expect registration of childcare workers,
37:18
Speaker 2: and not just workers. We've got cases of cleaners and
37:21
Speaker 2: anyone in the vicinity. They're all recorded on a centralized
37:25
Speaker 2: database somewhere, and that if if you've had trouble or
37:28
Speaker 2: being investigated over child sex offenses, you go nowhere near
37:32
Speaker 2: working with children ever again. But the permit system's found
37:36
Speaker 2: to have flaws in it as well. I mean governments
37:39
Speaker 2: let you down.
37:42
Speaker 15: Yeah, we have been let down, and there's no denying that.
37:45
Speaker 15: And I think we have to acknowledge as well, Peter
37:47
Speaker 15: that tomorrow morning parents are going to get in their
37:50
Speaker 15: car and have to drop their children at a daycare
37:52
Speaker 15: center because they need to work. What we're saying is,
37:55
Speaker 15: through this petition, the current childcare subsidy already exists. These
37:59
Speaker 15: children are already eligible for this subsidy. Let the parents
38:03
Speaker 15: have it as exactly as you have said, to pick
38:06
Speaker 15: the right person to look after that child.
38:10
Speaker 2: So where can people join your petition? Where can they
38:12
Speaker 2: go to sign it and support you?
38:16
Speaker 15: So we are on change dot org and our petition
38:18
Speaker 15: is called Our Kids, Our Choice and you can follow
38:21
Speaker 15: us on our very new Instagram. This is only a
38:24
Speaker 15: two week old campaign where four parents au and where
38:28
Speaker 15: a grassroops group of mums in Brisbane who feel like
38:31
Speaker 15: the government next week in Parliament have to make this change.
38:35
Speaker 15: This is a system that already exists. The childcare suby
38:38
Speaker 15: model is already there and these kids are already eligible
38:41
Speaker 15: for it. The government need to act as a national
38:43
Speaker 15: crisis and if they can expand the childcare subsidy to
38:46
Speaker 15: allow parents to choose who's looking after their children via
38:49
Speaker 15: a nanny, a coworking space like bubbadesk, a grandparent even
38:54
Speaker 15: that that will safeguard children and give parents more choice.
38:57
Speaker 3: Increased productivity, safeguard kids.
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Speaker 15: There are so many benefits to what we're saying and
39:03
Speaker 15: it's such a simple decision for the government to make.
39:05
Speaker 15: It's not new legislation, it's not a new system, it's
39:09
Speaker 15: already there.
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Speaker 2: They're not going to want to do it because they've
39:14
Speaker 2: got this unionized model up and running and they love it.
39:18
Speaker 2: But more strength to your jen and at the Liberal
39:20
Speaker 2: Party want to start reconnecting with women. This one, to
39:24
Speaker 2: me is a no brainer. Thank you, good luck and
39:26
Speaker 2: I'll share that on my Instagram as well. Thanks Jeter,
39:30
Speaker 2: join that petition. You don't have to be a mama
39:32
Speaker 2: or dad. You can be a grandparent, aunt, uncle. You
39:34
Speaker 2: just got to care about kids. After the break, what
39:36
Speaker 2: does it mean for consumers? One of the largest miners
39:40
Speaker 2: wants a carbon techs Plus the government's closing in on
39:44
Speaker 2: a bail up for troubled smelters. But why the heck
39:46
Speaker 2: spend more money. Let's just fix the policy. After the break,
39:54
Speaker 2: all right, let's bring in my Wednesday Night panel Liberal
39:57
Speaker 2: Member for Casey, Aaron Violi, National executive member Lee Hanson.
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Speaker 3: My audience liked you. Lee.
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Speaker 2: I'm too pleased to say you're joining us as a panel.
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Speaker 2: It's great to have you on the program. Hey, what
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Speaker 2: about this news at Rio Tinto is not only backing
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Speaker 2: the eighty two percent renewables target, but wants more taxpayer
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Speaker 2: funds to go into it, but also wants a carbon tax.
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Speaker 2: This is their submission to the Productivity Commission. I somehow
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Speaker 2: thought they Lee were a mining company, but they seem
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Speaker 2: to have drunk the kool aid here.
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Speaker 3: They have.
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Speaker 6: Peter, I'm confused. Why why would Rio tinto want a
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Speaker 6: carbon tax? What is their motivation here? At the end
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Speaker 6: of the day, what this means is taxpayer dollars that
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Speaker 6: they are asking to offset their renewable projects. That is
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Speaker 6: going to hit US taxpayers directly, take the money away
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Speaker 6: from a much needed housing, education, cost of living crisis
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Speaker 6: in instead, it's going to push up the prices of
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Speaker 6: our consumers for these products as well and exposits. So
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Speaker 6: my question, what's the motivation. What are they trying to
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Speaker 6: get out of this? It's going to hit US taxpayers
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Speaker 6: hard and ultimately is the real motivational purpose He to
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Speaker 6: push out small to medium businesses, hit them even harder,
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Speaker 6: and their competitors price them out of the market and
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Speaker 6: shut them down.
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Speaker 2: And we also know too, if they get pushed back
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Speaker 2: in Australia, if there's any issues in Australia, they shut
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Speaker 2: up shop, we'll lose the jobs and they'll just go
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Speaker 2: on mine in Africa or somewhere overseas. I just think
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Speaker 2: it's very interesting and I'll watch this productivity to a
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Speaker 2: summit very closely. Why haven't these plans the taxpayer bailout
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Speaker 2: for these troubled smelters one hundred and thirty five million dollars, Aron,
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Speaker 2: I get it.
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Speaker 3: They need a lifeline.
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Speaker 2: I don't want to see any of the smelters go under.
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Speaker 2: We've got to make things in this country. We've got
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Speaker 2: to keep our heavy industry, not just for jobs, but
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Speaker 2: also given the security climate. We're going to be able
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Speaker 2: to make steal and make frigates and make all the
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Speaker 2: things to fight China if we have to. But why
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Speaker 2: don't we fix the policies in the first place. Why
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Speaker 2: are we always bailing out using government money to bail
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Speaker 2: out business because of government policy in the first place.
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Speaker 16: Well, Peter, you're absolutely correct, and this is classic alb
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Speaker 16: and easy labor government treating the symptoms and not the cause.
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Speaker 16: And you are right as you outlined, we need to
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Speaker 16: protect these industries. They're crucial for jobs, for local economies,
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Speaker 16: also crucial for our national security and supply chain sovereignty.
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Speaker 16: But we need to understand why all of these smelters
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Speaker 16: and refineries need this assistance, why they are uneconomical. Energy
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Speaker 16: is a big part of that, and many other factors,
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Speaker 16: international factors. It's why the Coalition have called for a
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Speaker 16: Senate inquiry to put a real lens and a focus
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Speaker 16: on what's happening, why it's happening, and what we need
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Speaker 16: to change structurally to make sure that these smelters and
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Speaker 16: refineries are economic and sustainable into the future, because these
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Speaker 16: bailouts will help immediately, but they're not sustainable into the
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Speaker 16: long term, particularly give in the budget situation. And the
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Speaker 16: DEAFA SAIDs that Jim Chalmers has overseen as far as
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Speaker 16: the eye can see.
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Speaker 2: People will have heard me here many, many times talking
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Speaker 2: about the Australian flag and it just gets under my
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Speaker 2: skin that we see the Prime Minister with three flags
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Speaker 2: behind him, but he's now taken that overseas. He clearly
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Speaker 2: packs them on the plane and off he goes. And
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Speaker 2: we saw some imagery of imagery of him in China
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Speaker 2: with three flags behind him. Now I want to make
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Speaker 2: the point. I think I've got some pictures for you.
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Speaker 2: When President g came to Australia, when Tony abbas PM,
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Speaker 2: there wasn't any other flag but the Australian flag to
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Speaker 2: be seen.
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Speaker 3: There is G in the Parliament.
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Speaker 2: Look at all those Australian flags as me and the
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Speaker 2: red and when he walked.
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Speaker 3: Down the corridors.
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Speaker 2: Yes we had some Chinese flags, but we only had
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Speaker 2: one Australian flag. I tell you what, Lee, Australians have
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Speaker 2: had enough, haven't they.
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Speaker 6: You're right, You're spot on. It's becoming devisive. We have
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Speaker 6: one flag country, we stand under one flag as united.
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Speaker 6: It shouldn't be complicated. It creates further division, It does
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Speaker 6: not connect people, it does not create harmony. He represents Australia,
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Speaker 6: one flag, one Australia. It's not hard, it's not a
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Speaker 6: complex issue. Why are we making it so?
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Speaker 2: And a memo to your boss too, Aaron Violi, because
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Speaker 2: her first first press conference for the Shadow Cabinet had
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Speaker 2: three flags behind her. So I hope that doesn't happen
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Speaker 2: when we see Susanly come back to Parliament next week.
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Speaker 2: What about this story? Today the Deputy head of the
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Speaker 2: Tribunal the judges the legality of federal government decisions is
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Speaker 2: revealed that she has campaigned and volunteered for the teal
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Speaker 2: Kate Cheney out of wa multiple times. She's also considered
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Speaker 2: to sending out a slew of tweets, A lot of
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Speaker 2: them I can't even put to air. I mean a
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Speaker 2: language is filthy. She's attacking conservatives. She called Scott Morrison
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Speaker 2: an f wit. She uses the word no, not just
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Speaker 2: the f WI bit and the liberal part is a
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Speaker 2: bunch of misogynistic toe rags according to this government official.
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Speaker 3: That's for you, Aaron. What do you make of that?
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Speaker 16: Sorry, Peter, it's I mean, it's pretty outrageous these comments.
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Speaker 16: And let's be clear that the government got rid of
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Speaker 16: the AAT at a huge expense to taxpayers so they
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Speaker 16: could hand pick new appointees for this new tribunal. And
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Speaker 16: this is a person that they saw as a fit
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Speaker 16: person says a lot about the judgment of the current
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Speaker 16: government and the Attorney General at the time, and these
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Speaker 16: are outrageous comments and for them to think that this
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Speaker 16: person can be unbiased is just not appropriate. So we'll
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Speaker 16: be watching with interest to see follow ups. And I
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Speaker 16: mean there was comments where she said to her boss,
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Speaker 16: I believe that these comments and aren't surprising for me.
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Speaker 16: I mean, really, if that's how you're going to speak
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Speaker 16: publicly about a prime minister at any time, it's just
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Speaker 16: completely inappropriate. Goes to the judgment and the lack of
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Speaker 16: judgment of the ALP.
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Speaker 3: You're not wrong. I'll over there.
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Speaker 2: Thank you, Ladie, Thank you Aaron, and good luck for
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Speaker 2: Parliament's return next week, Aaron, when you head back up
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Speaker 2: to camera, are another great kel. Bitches, it's Wednesday, it's
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Speaker 2: hump day, but it's never hump day because we get
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Speaker 2: at the end of the day the wonderful kel Richards.
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Speaker 3: You joined me.
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Speaker 2: Now, this is one phrase that I often use. I'm
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Speaker 2: pleased that Andrew's put it on the table tonight.
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Speaker 3: Done his dash. Where's this one come from? Kel?
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Speaker 7: Well, it comes from up since Australian, coined around nineteen sixteen,
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Speaker 7: and it springs off an earlier expression meaning to have
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Speaker 7: a dash. If you go to have an attempt at something,
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Speaker 7: you say, I'll have a dash at that. The earliest
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Speaker 7: meaning of the word dash in the English language was
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Speaker 7: to strike a blow. So if there's a job that
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Speaker 7: needs to be done and you said i'll have a
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Speaker 7: go I'll attempt to do that, I'll have a dash,
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Speaker 7: and then you failed, you had done your dash. So
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Speaker 7: that's where it comes from.
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Speaker 2: Oh, there you go, there you go. One wants to
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Speaker 2: know about the term rat bag. He says, I've heard
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Speaker 2: it to use to describe anti Israel protesters. I probably
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Speaker 2: call them a bit tougher than a rat bag. But
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Speaker 2: where's that one come from?
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Speaker 7: As well, it's ours. We invented it. There are a
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Speaker 7: lot of myths about this one, Peter that one of
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Speaker 7: the myths is it's about the contents of a rat
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Speaker 7: catcher's bag. Not true. All that comes in World War
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Speaker 7: One and it was an abbreviation of ration bag. No, No,
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Speaker 7: that's not true either. In the eighteen nineties here in Australia,
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Speaker 7: if you had a mad idea, a crazy idea in
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Speaker 7: your head, people used to say, you had a rat,
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Speaker 7: that's the idea. There's a nutty idea in his head.
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Speaker 7: He's stuck with it and he's got a rat about
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Speaker 7: this idea. Now, if you had a number of really
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Speaker 7: crazy ideas, your head was full of rats, you were
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Speaker 7: a bag of them. You were a rat bag. It
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Speaker 7: was originally very derogatory, but then over the years it
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Speaker 7: slowly softened and became quite an affectionate expression. I think
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Speaker 7: in Australia we love our rat bags these days.
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Speaker 2: I think it's softened over time. I think it's almost affectionate.
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Speaker 2: I would agree with you on that one.
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Speaker 3: What about this.
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Speaker 2: Phrase the devils in the detail? John wants to know
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Speaker 2: where's that one from?
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Speaker 13: Not all that old.
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Speaker 7: Only recorded in nineteen sixty three, and the English expression
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Speaker 7: is an exact translation of a German proverb which is
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Speaker 7: a bit earlier, goes back to nineteen forty. Now I've
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Speaker 7: got the German words in front of me, but Peter,
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Speaker 7: I'm not going to read them to you, because my
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Speaker 7: German is idious. But it was exactly the same thing.
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Speaker 7: The devil is in the detail. Of course, the idea
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Speaker 7: is that the deta in the details, there may be
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Speaker 7: hidden some sort of trap. So you need to look
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Speaker 7: for the hidden traps in the details of the deal
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Speaker 7: or whatever, the document, whatever it might be. There's an
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Speaker 7: earlier German expression saying God is in the details. So
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Speaker 7: there's a family of expressions which basically say, don't just
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Speaker 7: look at the main thrust of the document or the detail,
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Speaker 7: but look at all the little bits, because in the
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Speaker 7: details that's the important stuff.
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Speaker 2: All right, Well, we've got prime ministers on official visits.
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Speaker 2: We've got a summit season about to start. This is
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Speaker 2: a whole number of every couple of weeks there's worldwide
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Speaker 2: gab fests for political leaders. Where does the word summit
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Speaker 2: come from, in the sense that it's used in relation
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Speaker 2: to meetings.
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Speaker 7: Well, the viewer that got in touch with us about this,
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Speaker 7: said to me, Kel, they're just meetings. Why do they
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Speaker 7: call them summits when it's just a bunch of people
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Speaker 7: meeting together. The reason is the word summit literally means
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Speaker 7: the highest peaks in a mountain range. So a summit
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Speaker 7: is not just a meeting. It's a meeting of the
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Speaker 7: peak people. So you get the leader of Australia meeting
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Speaker 7: the leader of China, it's a summit because they are
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Speaker 7: peak people, the highest people in there in their society.
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Speaker 7: And the peak person that Albanize seems to be carefully
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Speaker 7: avoiding is Donald Trump, who's not only the peak person
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Speaker 7: in America, he's also the leader of the free world.
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Speaker 7: So be really nice if that summit happened one day.
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Speaker 2: I really want to be there when it happens, Absolutely
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Speaker 2: when it happens, or.
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Speaker 3: I'll leave it there, call thank you. That's it for
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Speaker 3: me andrebouts uptixed