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Hutton & Withrow: Aaron Rodgers Questions Steelers Offense + Tennessee-Texas Showdown | Hour 2 · Hutton & Withrow Show

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  Speaker 2: Jameis Winston, uh, seems to take over there. Uh, Marcus
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  Speaker 2: Mariota doing the same thing in Washington. Um, Chad, we
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  Speaker 2: discussed the travel plans for Los Angeles versus San Francisco.
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  Speaker 1: It feels like a month ago already when they played.
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  Speaker 2: And because of the time difference, Hutton, it may have
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  Speaker 2: been a month ago. I was trying to get all
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  Speaker 2: the hours down of 17 or 18 hours difference. I
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  Speaker 2: feel like through some weird mathematical algorithm, it probably was
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  Speaker 2: a month ago they actually played this game.
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  Speaker 1: So he was asked at McVay postgame. He's very relieved here.
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  Speaker 1: they get to one and one, their first win of
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  Speaker 1: the season. He's asked about what, what changed in the,
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  Speaker 1: in the team's performance. We got the right people.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. I think, you know, sometimes you, you know, sometimes
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  Speaker 2: you win, sometimes you learn and, you know, sometimes you
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  Speaker 2: have a dumb ass coach that, you know, makes travel
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  Speaker 2: plans that puts you in a bad spot. There you go.
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  Speaker 1: It's hard not to like Sean McVay. I mean, it's just,
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  Speaker 1: I like, I like the fact that he'll just say it. Um,
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  Speaker 1: You know, he's also– I think he's done some nice
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  Speaker 1: things for Stetson Bennett behind the scenes too, for what
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  Speaker 1: that's worth, and keeping things private. But publicly, I mean,
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  Speaker 1: he's one of the coaches, and I'd say one of
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  Speaker 1: the few coaches, you want to go have a beer with.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. And if I was having a beer with him,
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  Speaker 2: my number one question I'd like to ask Sean McVay
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  Speaker 2: is if he is coloring his beard. because I feel
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  Speaker 2: like that beard is a different color right now. I
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  Speaker 2: can say with certainty that Tom Brady has colored his hair.
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  Speaker 2: His hair is almost Auburn now. It is so dark brown.
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  Speaker 2: He's done more than that. It is way different than
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  Speaker 2: it was a year ago when I saw him on
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  Speaker 2: camera for the start of this NFL season. His hair
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  Speaker 2: is very dark brown. I look at Sean McVay. We
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  Speaker 2: may have to go. We may have to get JT
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  Speaker 2: to find us a side-by-side of Sean McVay a year
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  Speaker 2: ago and Sean McVay now. I suspect there's some beard
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  Speaker 2: coloring going. I'm not saying that he shouldn't do it.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not saying that I'm above it or anybody else.
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  Speaker 2: I just think that there's some beard coloration that's happening. Hun,
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  Speaker 2: I know you're not coloring your beard because the white
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  Speaker 2: is coming in and it hasn't changed.
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  Speaker 1: I think McVeigh's beard has changed. I can't paint the beard.
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  Speaker 1: If I did, it would be very obvious.
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  Speaker 2: Two things that jumped out to me about that, Hun.
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  Speaker 2: His accountability and just falling on the sword that he
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  Speaker 2: screwed up the travel plans and maybe over-thought it a
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  Speaker 2: little bit of, oh, we're just going to treat it
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  Speaker 2: like a normal road trip when it was anything but
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  Speaker 2: a normal road trip. And two, beard coloring. Those are
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  Speaker 2: the two things that jump out when I watch Sean
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  Speaker 2: McVay in that video.
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  Speaker 1: So he's now 40 years old. So that would also track, Chad.
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  Speaker 1: I'm looking at pictures of him. He definitely has red
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  Speaker 1: hair when he's younger. And now it is a darker,
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  Speaker 1: you're right, it is a darker color. He's one I
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  Speaker 1: haven't noticed, and now I will. Brady, absolutely. He's doing
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  Speaker 1: more than just dyeing his hair too.
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  Speaker 2: Brady, you know how it's a trend with some women
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  Speaker 2: now where their hair is almost like purple? It's like
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  Speaker 2: such a dark brown.
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  Speaker 1: It's so dark.
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  Speaker 2: It turns into like a light purple when you look
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  Speaker 2: at it reflecting the sun. Yeah. That's Brady. His hair
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  Speaker 2: is almost purple when you see a shot of him now.
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  Speaker 2: But he's always been– Very, very different.
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  Speaker 1: You know how like he would go into the playoffs
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  Speaker 1: and get like rail thin? You know, like– have the
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  Speaker 1: cleanse or whatever we were joking about back then. It
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  Speaker 1: was very odd how he goes about things. I would
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  Speaker 1: be curious about how he decides what he's going to
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  Speaker 1: use and what he's not going to do just based
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  Speaker 1: on the fact he claims he's never had coffee, but
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  Speaker 1: he'll put paint in his hair.
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  Speaker 2: Well, it's also not like a moral thing, I think,
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  Speaker 2: with the coffee because he drinks alcohol. I don't know
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  Speaker 2: that he does a lot now, but we've seen him
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  Speaker 2: wasted time and time again. So we know that he
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  Speaker 2: does that. Brooke says Saban 100% colors his hair and
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  Speaker 2: has for years, no doubt about it. Saban, by the way,
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  Speaker 2: let me just take a second to say, the dude
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  Speaker 2: looks fantastic. He does not age at all. He looks
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  Speaker 2: great year to year. Every time I see him, I'm like, man,
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  Speaker 2: that guy has aged very well. I think dyeing the
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  Speaker 2: hair color probably adds to that youthful exuberance that Nick
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  Speaker 2: Saban gives out at all times.
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  Speaker 1: That would take so much effort, though, to keep that up.
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  Speaker 2: You know? Oh, by the way, he's 74 now. You're right. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: How old is Spurrier? David Griffin says, spray paint for
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  Speaker 2: the bald spot. I haven't noticed that. I don't know
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  Speaker 2: if he's talking about Saban or... I think he's talking about...
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  Speaker 2: He's got to be talking about Saban because Saban is bald.
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  Speaker 2: Saban's bald in the back. I have seen a little bit.
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  Speaker 2: Spurrier's 81. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: That's another coach that I think looks younger than that
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  Speaker 1: for sure.
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  Speaker 2: He doesn't walk younger than that. I'll tell you that. We, uh,
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  Speaker 2: we interviewed him hunting in 2021. And I mean, I
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  Speaker 2: thought he was going to have to be assisted to
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  Speaker 2: get over to the spot, but then he plopped down.
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  Speaker 2: It was great.
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  Speaker 1: But we got over there with us, but he's got
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  Speaker 1: a hard time walking. No, you said something about like
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  Speaker 1: helping him with a seed or need somebody.
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  Speaker 2: He's like, no, I got it. I got it. You know?
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  Speaker 2: Oh yeah. He moved that thing out and sat down.
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  Speaker 2: I was the one who needed help because it was
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  Speaker 2: 107 degrees and I was pouring buckets of sweat the
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  Speaker 2: entire interview.
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  Speaker 1: Hey, uh, one thing, uh, I would guess someone who
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  Speaker 1: doesn't dye their hair is Aaron Rodgers.
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  Speaker 2: All natural.
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  Speaker 1: All ayahuasca.
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  Speaker 2: All darkness retreat.
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  Speaker 1: And he was asked, on the road, they lose to
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  Speaker 1: New England this past Sunday in a bad weather game.
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  Speaker 1: Difficult to move the football. And he was asked to
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  Speaker 1: assess it. And when he starts speaking, you think, oh,
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  Speaker 1: here's Rodgers saying it. He's given an example to all
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  Speaker 1: younger quarterbacks. Hey, just take the blame. Put the blame
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  Speaker 1: on you. When things go well, point to everyone else.
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  Speaker 1: And when things don't go well, say it.
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  Speaker 2: Was my fault.
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  Speaker 1: Here's how Rodgers starts that way and really didn't end
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  Speaker 1: up on the same path.
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  Speaker 3: In a game like today where there wasn't a lot
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  Speaker 3: of flow to it, we need to be better, and
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  Speaker 3: it starts with me, at making sure Mike knows what's working,
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  Speaker 3: what's not working, our coaches know, and so we can
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  Speaker 3: call stuff that we feel like has a better chance.
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  Speaker 1: And then he was asked to follow up. He's like,
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  Speaker 1: play call. Play call. When asked about what he's talking
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  Speaker 1: about with getting back to Mike. McCarthy's calling the plays.
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  Speaker 1: He knows McCarthy well. Clearly, he's just saying they're not
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  Speaker 1: communicating very well. I don't know how that's possible. But
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  Speaker 1: now that's the storyline for Pittsburgh is Rodgers and McCarthy.
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  Speaker 1: And when things don't go well this upcoming week, watch
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  Speaker 1: out because everyone's going to be peppering him with questions.
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  Speaker 2: I am an unabashed Aaron Rodgers homer. I make no
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  Speaker 2: apologies for it, make no mistake about it. I love
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  Speaker 2: the dude. I think most of the stuff he says
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  Speaker 2: is very smart. I find him to be very entertaining.
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  Speaker 2: I want him to do very well this season for Pittsburgh. Now,
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  Speaker 2: I'll also say with Aaron Rodgers, it could have been
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  Speaker 2: one or two play calls he disagreed with that ended
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  Speaker 2: up not working out that he's talking about and not
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  Speaker 2: an entire game of play calling because that's going to
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  Speaker 2: stick in his craw. If he feels like I wanted
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  Speaker 2: to do this on third and five and they wanted
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  Speaker 2: to do this and I hated that call and then
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  Speaker 2: it didn't work the way I thought it wouldn't work,
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  Speaker 2: he's going to remember that more than anything else. I
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  Speaker 2: think he's a guy who can get away with this.
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  Speaker 2: There are different rules for different quarterbacks at different stages
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  Speaker 2: of their career. I don't think this is going to
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  Speaker 2: be some damning thing to the Pittsburgh Steelers' chances. I
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  Speaker 2: don't think it's going to cause a lot of problems
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  Speaker 2: with him and Mike McCarthy and I understand what he's
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  Speaker 2: saying in that I need to do a better job
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  Speaker 2: of communicating I don't feel good doing this or I
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  Speaker 2: don't think our team can do this right now. We
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  Speaker 2: need to get more into a flow of what has
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  Speaker 2: worked or what can work against what a New England
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  Speaker 2: Patriots defense is doing to us and not necessarily what
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  Speaker 2: the play call sheet says we're going to do on
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  Speaker 2: 3rd and 7th. We've got to change off of that
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  Speaker 2: based off what we're seeing. I get what he's saying.
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  Speaker 2: It just needs to be more of a collaboration. Look,
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  Speaker 2: if you're employing Aaron Rodgers at 43 years old to
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  Speaker 2: be your quarterback, Hutton, I think you're employing him to
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  Speaker 2: be a collaboration. He's not just your employee. He's a
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  Speaker 2: collaborator on the offense this point in his career.
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  Speaker 1: He turns 43 during the season. Okay. So you're not
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  Speaker 1: wrong there. He will be 43 this season. So there's
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  Speaker 1: a couple of things with the Steelers' offense that in
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  Speaker 1: one cut you're not hearing. The offensive line has really struggled.
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  Speaker 1: They can't run the football. I think they have like
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  Speaker 1: 140 yards combined over the first two weeks rushing. They
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  Speaker 1: can't run the football. And then Michael Pittman's hurt. And
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  Speaker 1: DK Metcalfe. On the other side, he has 27 yards receiving.
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  Speaker 1: He was targeted nine times in New England. He has
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  Speaker 1: 27 yards receiving in the game. So who else are
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  Speaker 1: you going to if you can't run the football in Pittsburgh?
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  Speaker 1: Putting up three points, I mean, the opposite ends of
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  Speaker 1: the spectrum between Rodgers and Cam Ward, but that's an
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  Speaker 1: offense that kind of looks the same on the scoreboard
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  Speaker 1: right now. And I think that Rodgers is also, and
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  Speaker 1: I think McCarthy said this too, it's the volume of
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  Speaker 1: the playbook. It's not just the call sheet. It's how
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  Speaker 1: many plays they're bringing into the game plan. Simplifying things
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  Speaker 1: and Rodgers actually communicating what's working, what's not, and let's
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  Speaker 1: cut out the BS. But he came back and wanted
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  Speaker 1: to play for McCarthy. I mean, that's part of this.
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  Speaker 1: They don't hire Mike McCarthy unless we're making Rodgers happy,
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  Speaker 1: I would guess.
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  Speaker 2: Well, and they've got a real opportunity here, Pittsburgh. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: they get the win over the Falcons, but I mean,
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  Speaker 2: their schedule, they get Cincinnati at home, which is probably
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  Speaker 2: the toughest game they're going to have in over a month.
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  Speaker 2: After that, they go to Cleveland. They got Indianapolis at home.
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  Speaker 2: They've got the Bucs, who look bad right now. They
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  Speaker 2: get the Saints at home. They get the Browns again
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  Speaker 2: before they go to Cincinnati on November 15th. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: lose one of those games maybe, right? And you've got
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  Speaker 2: a chance to have a really good record in mid-November
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  Speaker 2: if you're the Pittsburgh Steelers. Some winnable games. I look
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  Speaker 2: at those, and I think the Steelers are going to
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  Speaker 2: win more than they're going to lose coming up.
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  Speaker 1: They also have one of the oldest rosters. So I wonder,
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  Speaker 1: and 43 factors into the average age. But they do
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  Speaker 1: have one of the older rosters. Do you have the
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  Speaker 1: schedule still pulled up for Pittsburgh?
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  Speaker 2: Yes.
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  Speaker 1: So remember, they had Pittsburgh on this gauntlet schedule recently.
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  Speaker 1: with Tomlin, where they were on the road or they
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  Speaker 1: were playing Thursday, they had short weeks, late in the season.
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  Speaker 1: How do they finish? Do they have a string of
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  Speaker 1: home games now? And are they division matchups? Because I
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  Speaker 1: wonder if they've helped them this year.
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  Speaker 2: They've got that very mid lineup of games that I
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  Speaker 2: told you about. And then starting November 15th, they go
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  Speaker 2: to Cincinnati, to Philly. They get Denver at home. They
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  Speaker 2: get the Texans at home. Yeah. They go to Jacksonville,
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  Speaker 2: and then they finish up with Ravens, Panthers– At Titans,
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  Speaker 2: at Ravens.
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  Speaker 1: They play Baltimore twice in a month, and that could
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  Speaker 1: determine the division.
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  Speaker 2: Good.
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  Speaker 1: I think there's a chance that AFC North is getting...
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  Speaker 1: They once got three teams in. Not should have. Ravens
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  Speaker 1: lost out in the final game with Pittsburgh last year.
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  Speaker 1: But Pittsburgh didn't look like a playoff team when they
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  Speaker 1: played the playoffs as a 7C. They've got to be
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  Speaker 1: better than this, though. Everyone's scoring points now. I wouldn't be.
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  Speaker 2: Surprised if they were 8-1 and then missed the playoffs.
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  Speaker 2: It could be the Tampa Bay Buccaneers a year ago
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  Speaker 2: when you look at their schedule.
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  Speaker 1: I don't want to sleep on the Colts yet. They
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  Speaker 1: went toe-to-toe with Kansas City at Arrowhead. This week determines
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  Speaker 1: which team is coming out of the AFC South with Jacksonville.
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  Speaker 2: I guess just in general. So, and I want the
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  Speaker 2: got it. So here's my thing. Here's my thing, Hutton. Okay.
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  Speaker 2: All right. I swear. I use curse words. I cuss
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  Speaker 2: do at times. I try to cuss less at times.
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  Speaker 2: So I'm not condoning someone for dropping an F-bomb or
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  Speaker 2: smoke cigarettes. And oh, by the way, cigarettes are bad
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  Speaker 2: for you, and I feel sick now, and I don't
• 16:47
  Speaker 2: ever want to smoke a cigarette again. I kind of
• 16:49
  Speaker 2: feel that way about cussing on broadcast television in sports.
• 16:53
  Speaker 2: It was cool in 2007 when Peyton Manning went on SNL,
• 17:01
  Speaker 2: and he does the Boys and Girls Club sketch, and
• 17:04
  Speaker 2: they're bleeping out curse words when he's cussing at the children.
• 17:07
  Speaker 2: It was funny. You know, he's saying block, bleep and block,
• 17:10
  Speaker 2: but they're bleeping it out. Like, that was cool. That
• 17:14
  Speaker 2: was mysterious. Like, oh my gosh, Peyton Manning cusses? I
• 17:17
  Speaker 2: didn't know that. This guy's so well-prepared and polished, I've
• 17:20
  Speaker 2: never heard him say a cuss word before. I kind
• 17:22
  Speaker 2: of like this, and it was a little bit risque.
• 17:25
  Speaker 2: And it was different when you saw it on SNL.
• 17:28
  Speaker 2: When I see Nick Saban every single week at 8 a.m.
• 17:31
  Speaker 2: on a Saturday morning dropping curse words, when I see
• 17:35
  Speaker 2: Pat McAfee and hear him dropping curse words routinely, when
• 17:39
  Speaker 2: seemingly every coach in America feels the need to drop
• 17:43
  Speaker 2: an F-bomb or say something crazy in a press conference
• 17:47
  Speaker 2: all the time, when Trinidad Chambliss drops the hottie effin'
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: toddy at the end of praising Jesus for the entire interview.
• 17:55
  Speaker 2: I just, is there a law of diminishing returns? I'm
• 18:00
  Speaker 2: asking this question. I want our audience to chime in
• 18:03
  Speaker 2: on this. Am I being a giant prude? Do you
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: care at all if you hear it? I have seen
• 18:11
  Speaker 2: some people say, I have kids in the room on
• 18:14
  Speaker 2: Saturday morning watching College Game Day. It's very weird to
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: hear cuss words coming out of their mouths on College
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: Game Day. And the College Game Day thing is probably
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: a separate conversation of how that show is really taking
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: a turn because people are really pissed about their interview
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: with Ted Cruz. And they're even more pissed that Kirk
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: Herbstreit acts like he doesn't know who Ted Cruz is.
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: I mean, his complete mystery was I don't know why
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: he was on. I didn't know anything about him. And
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: then the fans were chanting that they hated him, and
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: I didn't know anything about it. And I think people
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: are more angry about playing the idiot than anything else
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: when it comes to that and not just owning it.
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: I don't know. I feel like you probably fall on
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: the other side of this. I don't ultimately care that much,
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: but I can kind of side with the person that
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: says it's just too much, especially on morning college football
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: shows with all the cussing that's going on.
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: I do follow the other side of this for now.
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: Let me say for now. Because we have entered an
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: era where no one says anything anymore.
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: Like of substance.
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: If we hear from a Tennessee Titans player, it's from
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: behind a podium. Or it's on Bustin' with the Boys.
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: That's it. That's it. I don't know.
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: Refreshing is not the right word. But I like the
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: fact that a coach will come on our show and
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: act like he would normally act. It's no different than what.
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: We saw from Memphis.
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: You know, like, he didn't come on cussing, but he
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: was himself, right?
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: Same thing with Summerall. Same thing with the coaches we've had.
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: Same thing with, let's see, who was our coach that
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: we had on? Oh, well, that.
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: Was Whittingham, right? He came on recently. Kyle Whittingham? On
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: our show? Yeah, didn't he? No. I don't think so.
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: Unless you remember an interview that I don't. I'd love
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: to get Kyle Whittingham on. Whenever he was at Utah?
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: I mean, maybe he did a couple years ago. We
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: asked him if he was going to retire. Oh, okay, yeah, yeah. Yeah,
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: back in the old show days. But he was himself. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: But I'm saying he didn't like the fact that he
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: was having to discuss that, but he answered the question.
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: He was himself.
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: He said, no, I don't feel like I'm stepping away.
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: I don't want to.
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: But he had named a coach in waiting. I like
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: the fact that some guys will start to say something.
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: We're also in an era where coaches haven't really said
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: much on NIL, on the rules. They say things privately,
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: but not as a collective group. They have a lot
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: of power when it comes to how they're going to
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: be heard in regards to their conference, in regards to
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: their president. I like to hear someone other than Saban
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: just kind of be themselves. That was Brady in the moment.
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: I don't think, that's not intentional. McAfee, that's intentional.
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean?
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: Like getting the crowd chanting at LSU to chant head,
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: and then he's bleeping out the word by speaking over
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: the cuss word.
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: That's intentional.
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: Brady saying that is just kind of A player not knowing. Yeah,
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: the Brady thing, I want to separate into different boxes
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: here of what we're talking about. Because the Brady thing
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: was a total emotionally raw moment from a former quarterback
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: who's also lost a season to injury, who just.
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: Reacted that way and immediately apologized. Like, I got no
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: issue with Brady.
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: He knew what he did.
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: He screwed up on a national broadcast and said that
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: word in the moment and said, apologies. I just really
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: wasn't expecting to see that on the replay. I've got
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: no issue with Brady on that. I've got no issue
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: with coaches getting emotional at a press conference. Okay, in
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: a press conference setting, you're there with your local media,
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: you're talking, you drive. The occasional cuss word, the way
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: Josh Heupel did when asked about the Arion Carter NCAA situation,
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: and he said it was BS, except he said it.
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: I've got no issue with that. I want a different–
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: we come from the world, Hutton, of broadcast– of either
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: radio or television broadcast. I believe that should be different
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: than what we'll do on a podcast or digital show.
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: And that should be different than what a post-game press
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: conference would be for a head coach. I don't need
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: college game day cussing at me at 8.30 in the morning.
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: I grew up where college game day was this feel-good,
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: cathartic moment that you made it to Saturday, the college
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: football day is here, and Lee Corso made you feel
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: good about everything. Brooks Carter had a good point. He said,
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: Lee Corso said, ah, F it, and grabbed the headset
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: and accidentally cussed in 2011, then had to issue an
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: apology through ESPN after he cussed on air. Things have
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: changed since 2011 to 2026 with what you see on
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: shows like College Game Day now. I just think it's overkill.
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: I mean, I really do. I just think it's complete
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: overkill on the broadcast part of it. I'm with you, though.
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: I don't want to stop coaches from being themselves. or players,
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: I want more of that. And if being themselves is cussing, okay,
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: so be it. I just don't think they need to
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: do it in a post-game interview on the field. I
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: don't think they need to do it when they go
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: on a national broadcast. I like a separation of church
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: and state a little bit when it comes to those things.
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: Maybe I'm too old-fashioned. That's all fair.
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: Again, I would say intentional or doing it as a
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: WWE promo, that's Pat McAfee. To me, that's different than
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: just something slips. Not consistent. I try not to put
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: those in the same light. McAfee's becoming irritating, but he's entertaining.
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: Everyone's tuned into that kick, the field goal kick. It's
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: a great question, though, because we also grew up in
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: an era with Austin 316 says, I just whipped your ass.
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: Like, yeah, but that, that was, we knew what you
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: were watching, right?
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: It's wrestling.
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: I mean, it's, it's just, again, like. It was a
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: huge shift. It was a huge shift in wrestling though.
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: I like when college football, at least on its face,
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: like the appearance on the television of the national stuff
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: is wholesome. Is it's something different that we know coaches
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: and players cuss on the field. And cuss at each
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: other and cuss in the locker room and all of that.
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: I just don't need to see it at all times.
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: And my perspective has changed with kids, certainly. I don't
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: remember a time that we're all sitting around watching College
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: Game Day and my daughter heard a curse word. But
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: I am thinking when Nick Saban drops it and then
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: Pat McAfee's cussing all the time too, it just gets–
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: and then they're all kind of giggling. Everybody else on set,
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: like they're 13 years old when a cuss word is said.
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: It's just– It's too much. I would prefer college game day.
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: And I think Lee Corso, who I love, was because
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: of health reasons and age. I mean, he was bad
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: at talking about games. He couldn't complete a thought. He
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: couldn't tell you the names of people. It was sad. Yeah,
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: it was sad towards the end. But Lee Corso still,
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: when he was on camera... made you feel good about
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: college football, about the games, about everything else. I would
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: like to see a little bit more of that and
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: a little bit less of Pat McAfee WWE cursing promos
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: over the course of the whole thing, which, by the way,
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: he's excellent at. And he really knows football. He's very good.
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: He's just everywhere.
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: He's very good on it. He's on Monday Night Football now.
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: It's just everywhere. He's also very good on the show
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: at being a good teammate. He sets up Nick Saban.
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: He sets up Dez. He's good with everybody on set, too. Yeah,
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: I agree.
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: At one point, WWE's in the ring. He's being asked
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: to do it because he's entertaining people to watch. I'm
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: not saying the ratings aren't good. I'm just saying, man,
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: I see the same thing.
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: But it works. Now he's smoking a joint on air, apparently.
• 26:21
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: Was that– yeah, so he was burning sage? Is that
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: the comeback that he said he was doing? It looked
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: like a joint, but he said he burned sage in
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: the studio? Because they brought it up on college game day,
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: and he made a– Kirk Herbstreit made a passing line about, oh,
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: like you burn sage in the studio also when you
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: do that. Yeah, whatever. The guy gets away with whatever
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: he wants, clearly.
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: I mean, I haven't seen someone smoke a joint like
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: that in a long time. People are vaping now or
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: taking gummies, you know?
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: That's one thing that is old school with McAfee apparently
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: I guess.
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: So I real quick a story about coach Mac so
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: uh first first broadcast we're on the road two days
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: before we go to uh New York Mike Keith voice
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: of the Titans gathers everyone up except for Mac and
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: says guys pre pre-game you guys cannot get him going
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: because he's got the coach speak you know he's he's
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: he's locked in he's you know He's more than saving.
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: You know, he's Doug Matthews on the sideline. And we're
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: very quiet pregame. And we're so quiet that Mac comes
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: in and immediately just goes in like a coach, dropping,
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: you know, F this. Or, you know, you guys need
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: to get up, get the F up. Because he's in
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: coach mode. And Mike looks back at us going, oh, gosh,
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: not one time did he drop any gut word on air.
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: Like Delaney Walker would come on with us. Not one
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: time did he have a slip-up. Taylor LeJuan went on
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: Titans Radio recently. They were really worried about that. He
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: didn't slip up. Guys kind of know when you're on
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: certain broadcasts, but good for them. Podcast, podcast. Some guys
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: can get away with it. Tom Brady and Nick Saban
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: can get away with that, Chad. I don't think we
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: can get away with it.
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: No, and I love the Coach Mack story, by the way,
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: because Coach Mack's a pro. He knows where he is
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: and what situation he's in, and he can turn it
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: on and off like a pro would be able to
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: turn it on and off. There are times where I
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: think Nick Saban, who is a pro, he knows what
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: he's saying when he says it. I've never said a
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: cuss word on mic or on camera that I didn't
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: plan on saying. I've never slipped up. Like if I've
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: said a cuss word on a podcast or anything, I've
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: meant to say it. I don't think– I obviously use
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: the F word in real life. I don't know that
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: I've ever said it on a show or a podcast
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: just out of personal preference. I've said every other possible
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: word you could probably say on something. But if you're
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: slipping up and doing it, then that's an issue when
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: you're on camera. Teenage players or guys in their early 20s,
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: you can understand it. Even Trinidad Chambliss said, I slipped
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: up and was emotional in the moment. When I said that,
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: he came back and apologized after the fact. To me,
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: we have reached the law of diminishing return when it
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: comes to that. It was dangerous. It was taboo. It
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: was funny for a time. And now it's gotten old.
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: It's gotten stale. I want to return to broadcast television
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: being broadcast television and not feeling the need to curse anymore.
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: Every 30 or 40 words. Let me try to say
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: it in a different way. You don't want it to
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: become the norm where you're just numb to it and
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: don't notice it.
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: Correct.
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: Yes, I totally understand. I agree with that. I still
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: notice it when I hear it, but our background and profession.
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: would notice that.
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: It was shocking when Brady said it. When I heard
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: it live in the moment, when he dropped it on
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: the game broadcast and he knows he screwed up, that
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: was shocking to me. It still should be shocking. It
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: doesn't need to continue to be the norm anymore. And
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: I use College Game Day as the example because that
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: is a morning college football show on a Saturday morning
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: that is there to capture the essence of college football.
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: And that's not the place for it, in my opinion.
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: I think Pat Mack, if he can be equally as
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: funny and cut a good promo without cursing. And if
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: that makes me an old fuddy-duddy at this point, then
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: so be it. I just don't think it's necessary. But
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: if I'm an ESPN executive, Hutton, I'm telling him, I
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: think you're great without saying it. You don't need to
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: say it.
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: We both know they can't tell him anything. But I
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: will say, he is way more edited than he is
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: on his show. It's the same network.
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, a lot.
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: Remember when he got called out by the fans and
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: they were like, this doesn't feel the same.
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: He nearly quit. He does understand the.
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: Show he's on, but he's doing what they hired him
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: to do.
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: That's also part of it.
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: He's entertaining us, but I understand you don't want to
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: have it where it's just becoming the norm. That's part
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: of the lure there, too, with him. He's getting the
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: chance going. We hear it in the stadiums from the
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: student sections We certainly heard it at Ole Miss with
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: the F.
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: Lane Kiffin stuff.
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: That's just kind of where we are. But in high school, Chad,
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: we would come up with a word that sounded like
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: a word. You would say skeet instead of something.
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: Well, I don't like that either. I don't like the
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: student sections chanting behind college game day. obscenities to that
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: level also, which happens everywhere. But it's also, again, that's
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: a separate thing about college kid profanity and obscenity versus
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: 74-year-old Nick Saban cussing into a microphone.
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: That's why they want to be under the lights at
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: Tiger Stadium in Baton Rouge, because they're all liquored up and.
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: Ready to go.
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: Have you heard some of the phone calls, by the way, post-game?
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: how pissed off LSU fans are.
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: It's been crazy.
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: It's hilarious.
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: I'm also seeing right now at Sporting State a story
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: up from Mark J. Burns about Texas expecting no issues
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: ahead of their reunion with Holly Rowe. We've got to
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: get into that when we come back. Yeah, let's do that. Okay, good. Yes,
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: just posted.
• 32:26
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  Speaker 1: that Holly has said that she accepts the apology. But
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: Sporting State reached out and asked the Texas Senior Associate
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: Athletic Director, of communications, John Bianco, if Sarkeesian and Manning
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: will participate in the interviews, Bianco simply said yes.
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: Yes. Which is good. Yes, yes. All the pre-planned production meetings, too,
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: they're going to take part in. Everything's standard. It'll be
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: full systems go for Tennessee and Texas. Here's what I'll
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: say about Holly Rowe and the ESPN side of this.
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: It better be okay. Yeah. I mean, if she harbors
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: some judgment towards them or she's got an attitude about it,
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: she's as much to blame as anybody else. And same
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: goes for Sark in Texas and Arch Manning. You just
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: move forward like it didn't happen before. Now, it would
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: have been funny if Bianco's response would have been, when
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: asked if he's going to follow everything protocol like normal,
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: he said, I don't know, are they going to have
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: tech issues again? If that would have been the response,
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: because then it might derail some things too.
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: Or, I don't know, will the rest of the media
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: allow us to You know, that was the response to
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: everyone taking the stance of apologize to Arch Manning. Arch
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: Manning owes an apology. Everyone wants the apologize culture. And
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: it quickly shifted from Sarkeesian to Manning. Now it's going
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: to be, it should be a non-story. I will say this, man.
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: It's a great question about the tech issues. Will Sarkeesian
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: stick around this time if they have tech issues or
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: is he bolted for the locker room?
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: Here's the other thing.
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: At the moment, I bet he bolts.
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so Laura Rutledge is not going to be there
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: at this one, I don't think. Some of the biggest games,
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: they have both. Laura Rutledge and Holly Rowe were at
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: LSU Ole Miss. Laura Rutledge and Holly Rowe were at
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: Texas Ohio State. All I'm seeing on the broadcast announcement
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: is Chris Fowler, Kirk Herbstreit, Holly Rowe. No Laura Rutledge.
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: If you're ESPN or Texas, wouldn't you just request Laura
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: Rutledge be the one to do the Texas interviews and
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: Holly Rowe can go be on the Tennessee sideline?
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: I don't– I mean– Then it becomes a story again.
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: Well, it's not an issue because they're both not doing
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: the game. But me, if I'm the producer of that show,
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: I'm just giving out assignments and saying, Holly, go be
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: with Josh Heupel and Faison Brandon in Tennessee this week.
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: You can embed with them and get all their stories. Hey, Laura,
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: you seem to have a good relationship with Texas. I mean,
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: that's just, to me, that's common sense of having the
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: best flowing broadcast going. Clearly, Laura Rutledge and Steve Sarkeesian
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: are okay. Well, Holly Roe and Steve Sarkeesian, not as great.
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: I would say this, though, man. There's also a way
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: to lean into this and to make it fun. You know,
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: like if you're Holly Roe. Feinbaum has done this with Kiffin.
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: You know, he's done with calling out Kiffin, and then
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: Kiffin comes on and plays into Feinbaum's show. But he
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: specifically does it with Feinbaum when Paul's going after him.
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: I mean, this is on– if you do it this week,
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: then you do it every week. And this won't be
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: the last time Texas is on a big game for
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: ESPN and ABC. I would expect not, especially with their
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: coach and their expectations. I don't think they're falling off
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: the face of the earth with all the matchups they
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: have coming up. This won't be the last time Holly Rose–
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: I'm guessing she's been through this before. And I would
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: hope that everything behind the scenes has been fine. because
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: you've heard from Art to apologize. And, I mean, Sark's
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: going to act like it's a non-story, too. Surely they
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: could get past whatever their reaction was by Holly Roe. But,
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: you know, next time she's in Austin, I wonder what
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: she's going to hear from the crowd. Did you see, Hutton,
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: the response? Holly Roe's mom died the day that Clay
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: bashed her, and Clay just got repeated. It's like Ole
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: Miss fans– pissed at us for Drunken Drew and our
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: interaction with him. Just days later, Clay kept getting deluged
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: with people.
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: Just, her mom died, dude. Hey, her mom died today.
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: Her mom died. And Clay finally came back and said, yeah,
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: I think it's a tragedy. I wish no one's mom
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: ever died. Doesn't change the fact that she behaved like
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: a spoiled brat. And even in her acceptance of the apology,
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: behaved like a spoiled brat when the whole thing went down.
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: I just I was laughing the whole time when I
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: saw how those stories linked up. And then Clay's response was, yeah,
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: I obviously did not wish for her mom to die.
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: I wish no one's mom ever died. But that happens
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: in America all the time. incredible stuff with the clay
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: back and forth with Holly Roe. I'll say this too
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: about Holly Roe. I don't know how much of a
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: sense of humor she has about herself. I don't think so.
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: Laura Rutledge has a sense of humor about herself. I
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: don't know that Holly Roe has that sense of humor.
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: Well, then it turns on her though. It's not Texas's fault.
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: I wouldn't, I wouldn't request anything. And if ESPN does that,
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: then why? I mean, if she can't handle this issue,
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: I mean, she's a, she's a, surely she's a pro, right?
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: Like be a pro in this situation. Texas is acting
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: like that. Arch acted like that. I mean, I just, I,
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: This should be a non-story from her end. And I
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: would also say from the media's end. What's his name?
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: Quinn Kucinich? I'm just trying to name some random. If
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: this were him, what's the reaction from the media?
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: Nothing.
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: They're just saying he looks like a prick, is what
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: they would say.
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: They wouldn't be saying, my queen, Holly Roe. My queen.
• 39:22
  Speaker 2: How dare you insult my queen in this way? Speaking
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: of the queen, Holly Roe, got to share this quick story,
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: which is one of my all-time favorites. I know that
• 39:29
  Speaker 2: Holly Roe is a pro. and can fight through anything,
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: because I once watched Holly Roe in Hoover, Alabama at
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: SEC Media Days conduct an interview with a guy named
• 39:40
  Speaker 2: Rich Taylor, a South Carolina radio host, with one headset.
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: Rich had the headset on with the mic, and he
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: didn't pack an extra one for his guest, so he
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: had to go face-to-face with Holly Roe, like this right here, So, Holly,
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: what game were you most excited about in the early
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: portion of the SEC schedule? And he would turn it
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: ever so slightly. If you're watching, you can visualize he's
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: turning the mic towards Holly Rowe, and she's having to
• 40:10
  Speaker 2: answer like they're kissing. They're that close face-to-face. Oh, wow.
• 40:14
  Speaker 2: And she would give the answer politely the whole time. Holly,
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: I know you're a pro because I saw you do that,
• 40:19
  Speaker 2: and you fought through circumstances. I don't know that I
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: could fight through in my professional career by having to
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: conduct an interview that way. And she had a smile
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: on her face the whole time. I said, like, I've
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: never respected Holly Roe more than that moment. This was
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: probably 17 years ago that this happened, a long time ago,
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: maybe longer than that. But, man, it was exceptional experience.
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: work by Holly Rowe to fight through that.
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: She stuck around longer than Sark did, is what you're saying.
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: I can't even imagine asking someone to do it. I'd
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: just be like, I'm sorry that I wasted your time
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: to sit down here. I'm not going to do the
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: interview this way. Enjoy the rest of your day. Your
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: recall of that is hilarious. There's been a lot of
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: weird Radio Rowe stories, but even knowing the guy's name
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: is awesome.
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: RT, it was The Drive with RT. was the name
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: of his show, Rich Taylor. Hilarious dude. But, I mean,
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: the back and forth with that, I cannot break that visual.
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: Anytime I see Holly Roe and think about it, was
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: how she had to be just nuzzled up to him
• 41:25
  Speaker 2: as the interviewer, and they are cheek to cheek conducting
• 41:28
  Speaker 2: an interview back and forth with the mic that comes
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: out on the side. Incredible.
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: Chad, hopefully no one is needing someone to apologize this
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: week to our queen, Holly Roe. because she has already
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: spoken on social media, Roe acknowledged and accepted Manny's apology. Quote,
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: we move forward with respect and kindness for one another.
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: Tell that to AI.
• 41:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, AI's got some other edits out there.
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: We move forward with respect and kindness. Again, I would
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: go back to, I guess we shouldn't watch Game of Thrones.
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: Because just watching it is apparently.
• 42:02
  Speaker 2: Well, I mean, look, there's a difference between actors who
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: are getting paid and are knowingly going and putting a
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: product out that are doing that with their bodies or
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: with violence and all of that, and that's part of
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: the entertainment, as opposed to someone unknowing to the person
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: taking their face and likeness and changing it to something.
• 42:20
  Speaker 2: Those are two very different things. So I will say
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: it is different than just a TV show. They also
• 42:28
  Speaker 2: changed that for S.A.R.K. too.
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: It goes both ways to make that.
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: Correct, but it does not turn S.A.R.K. into something he's
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: not within it. With the edits that I've seen of
• 42:43
  Speaker 2: Holly Rowe. Physically, I'm saying. Oh, the slap, though, is
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: what I'm saying. Yeah. Yeah.
• 42:50
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• 43:58
  Speaker 2: Tennessee. That line moved, right? It's three and a half. Yeah,
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: last I checked. I'll make sure that's what it is
• 44:05
  Speaker 2: at Hard Rock. It has moved.
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: I'm going to pull it up. But yeah, I've got
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: the upcoming. I took Tennessee early against Texas. I know
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: initially I was hesitant, but I'm like, you know what?
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: Tennessee at home, 11 a.m., spotlight. They'll be ready to play.
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: And I've liked what I've seen from the freshman QB.
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: I took Ole Miss early. Florida's three and a half.
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: I'm also surprised.
• 44:29
  Speaker 2: By the way, Hard Rock bet it is five and
• 44:30
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• 44:33
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• 44:37
  Speaker 2: So yeah, I've got Ole Miss in this.
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: I don't know how you feel about that matchup, but
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: I like Ole Miss based on what I saw from
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: Trinidad Chambliss.
• 44:45
  Speaker 2: I think this one is the stereotypical, I'm going to
• 44:50
  Speaker 2: go away from my gut because Vegas knows something. And
• 44:54
  Speaker 2: Florida's going to win this game. I believe, like you, Hutton,
• 44:57
  Speaker 2: of what I saw with Ole Miss and Trinidad-Chambers, they're
• 44:59
  Speaker 2: going to go to Gainesville and win the game. But
• 45:02
  Speaker 2: it feels like a trap where everyone is saying, even
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: John Sumrall is saying, how on earth is Ole Miss
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: the underdog in this game after that game on Saturday
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: night against Florida? So, yeah, I'm going to take the
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: Gators in that one. Tennessee and Texas– I'm going to
• 45:24
  Speaker 2: reveal what I'm picking later in the week. I want
• 45:26
  Speaker 2: to see where that number falls by the end of
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: the week. I see it being a very close game,
• 45:30
  Speaker 2: probably back and forth. It's going to take four quarters
• 45:33
  Speaker 2: to decide it. I would feel– I'll stay consistent with this.
• 45:36
  Speaker 2: I'd feel a lot more confident about taking the Vols
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: on the money line if this game was a night game.
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: So, yeah, I understand that. But, man, this game has
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: been circled for the Vols, surely. You know, Texas– I
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: don't think that's a game they circle as much as
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: Tennessee would circle this game. And Texas comes in at
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: number one. I like the fact that Tennessee can be
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: the surprise team from the jump and pull the upset.
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: Where that would put the trajectory, based on expectation, massive
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: game for the Vols. A & M coming off a loss,
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: LSU coming.
• 46:12
  Speaker 2: Off a loss.
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: Eight and a half seems steep, quite frankly, because of
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: the emotional loss versus Ole Miss, of course the underdog.
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: lsu favored by eight and a half i did take
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: the tigers though i took the tigers at home under
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: the lights they win under the lights at tiger stadium
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: i think nine and a half is way too much
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: yeah way too much i think that's a much closer
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: game than that um i mean i can't pick against
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: vandy right now but they just won a game in
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: a game they're calling the music city nightmare yeah if
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: you're an nc state fan oh They're 14-3 in their
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: last 17.
• 46:51
  Speaker 2: It's tough to pick against Vandy. They've got an unbelievable
• 46:54
  Speaker 2: streak going right now. I did say Tiger. I meant LSU.
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: No, I did take Vandy. I took the points with Vandy.
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: I'm with you on that. I don't see Auburn as
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: a blowout win here. Again, what does Vegas know here?
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: And I also took Georgia minus 13.5 against Oklahoma.
• 47:10
  Speaker 2: Am I crazy? No. No. You're not crazy on that.
• 47:16
  Speaker 2: I'm just surprised you're taking games this early in the week, Hutton.
• 47:19
  Speaker 2: You're at it, man. You're rolling with it. I don't
• 47:23
  Speaker 2: bet college football games until Friday when I see them.
• 47:26
  Speaker 2: So you've already got your picks in.
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: Chad, I was in the passenger seat, okay?
• 47:31
  Speaker 2: That's true. When you saw them initially drop, I got you.
• 47:35
  Speaker 2: You had to have something to do when I was
• 47:36
  Speaker 2: driving us back from Oxford. And I wanted to see
• 47:38
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• 47:41
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• 47:56
  Speaker 1: you know, what do you do when... Jackson Dargan's hurt again.
• 47:59
  Speaker 2: By the way, hell of a weekend that we just
• 48:01
  Speaker 2: saw in the SEC. Awesome. Just when that flashes up
• 48:05
  Speaker 2: there and those colors pop and you see those logos
• 48:07
  Speaker 2: next to each other, I get primed and pumped up
• 48:10
  Speaker 2: and ready for a college football weekend.
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: Incredible slate of games. A lot to preview. A lot
• 48:16
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