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Headless' Magical Mailbag-The Spade of Marduk and More · The Occult Rejects

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  Speaker 1: You see something's going to happen.
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  Speaker 2: What what's gonna happen?
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  Speaker 1: I think what welcome everybody do. Another head list is
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  Speaker 1: Magical mail Bag. I'm joined by my co host Nick
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  Speaker 1: Nick tell them where you going to be tomorrow.
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  Speaker 2: Is well, oh tomorrow, you call Rajex. You'll have a
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  Speaker 2: booth at Fort Myers in Florida at Charlie's Beyond Belief
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  Speaker 2: And uh yeah, oh no, no not tomorrow. Well I will
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  Speaker 2: be out there around there tomorrow, but Saturdays the events. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I'm already living in I was thinking of his Friday also, Uh,
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  Speaker 2: I don't know, I could be. I could be at
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  Speaker 2: this point right now, go something with Brooke. Actually I
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  Speaker 2: have to see what's going on with that. But tomorrow,
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  Speaker 2: but Saturday, yes, Fort Myers, Florida, I think from ten
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  Speaker 2: to six Charlie's Beyond Belief. Check out the link below
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  Speaker 2: on my side, we'll have the link up there for
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  Speaker 2: the address. But yeah, Brook will be speaking. It's ten
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  Speaker 2: dollars to get in. Uh yeah, there will be a
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  Speaker 2: bunch of other speakers. And I also got yeah, well
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  Speaker 2: I'll have a booth there. I have some free stickers,
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  Speaker 2: love some T shirts come by chill out. I'll be
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  Speaker 2: right next to Brooks. She's got a booth as well,
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  Speaker 2: and her Bigfoot Chicks team friends and stuff. They'll have
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  Speaker 2: a booth two booths down too, So be a nice
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  Speaker 2: little corner a bunch of us down there, So come
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  Speaker 2: hang out. Say what's up. If you smoke, we'll smoke one.
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  Speaker 2: We'll make it happen. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Are you bringing your equipment on that ghost?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, well I'm am Actually, yes, I am bringing
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  Speaker 2: my equipment regardless to record Brooke Charlley. Charlie from Charlie's
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  Speaker 2: Beyond Belief is going to allow me to mike her
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  Speaker 2: and use my good camera and put it up on
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  Speaker 2: a stand then actually record her presentation so I can
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  Speaker 2: give it to her to share and we can share.
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  Speaker 2: So yes, so yes, I will have my stuff.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, man, So if you got any of that
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  Speaker 1: thermal stuff, maybe get the thermal out.
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  Speaker 2: Oh yeah no, I got I got that COVID yeah,
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  Speaker 2: the thurble thurble, the MF and.
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  Speaker 1: So bad. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Oh you have to find something too to make it interesting,
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  Speaker 2: you hope?
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  Speaker 1: Right. Well, last time I tried to go on location
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  Speaker 1: at that at the baby grave and that other place.
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  Speaker 1: If I could do that more.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, that would have been cool as shit if it
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  Speaker 2: actually worked. Yeah, right, you know, it sucks if you
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  Speaker 2: went with somebody else, Like, it might work better if
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  Speaker 2: somebody created a hot spot and then you connected. Believe
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  Speaker 2: it or not, that is silly, But having somebody else
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  Speaker 2: sometimes that will work. Because I pulled that off once.
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  Speaker 1: That's interesting.
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  Speaker 2: Well, for some reason, the hotspot will work better than
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  Speaker 2: your phone into net every once in aun Bulow.
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  Speaker 1: It's very weird, right, Well, you know the backroads of
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  Speaker 1: Wisconsin are not known for their connective ability. Gotcha, Well
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  Speaker 1: i'll start it off. Since I normally throw it to you,
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  Speaker 1: I'll take it.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, there you go. Hello.
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  Speaker 1: I went with aegis agis. So two features of the
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  Speaker 1: Greek sort of symbol of protection is you've got the
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  Speaker 1: face of Medusa and also the shield of the curegos.
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  Speaker 1: So theus is more of the athena thing like she's
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  Speaker 1: the only one that has the aegis cregus, which is interesting.
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  Speaker 1: But usually you've got the head of Medusa on the
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  Speaker 1: shield that they're bringing into battle. You can see this
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  Speaker 1: in recreations of the Iliad. Right, So in the big
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  Speaker 1: Trojan War, they've all got Medusa on their shields, and
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  Speaker 1: then you see that motif also in the Sicily flag,
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  Speaker 1: where you've got the head of Medusa with the triscalian
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  Speaker 1: legs behind. And the idea is that the agis it's
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  Speaker 1: still that's used today. It's it's weird. It's kind of
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  Speaker 1: like it's slang that survived for close to three thousand
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  Speaker 1: years now. But when somebody says whose ages are you under,
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  Speaker 1: they're referring to the ages from Greek mythology. So Perseus
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  Speaker 1: cut off the head of Medusa and he used that
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  Speaker 1: head to turn his ar. I guess it would be
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  Speaker 1: his his prospective wife's uncle, I believe, to stone. So
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  Speaker 1: he's just, you know, spreading and praying. The whole room
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  Speaker 1: is turned to stone and he can't look. So Athena
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  Speaker 1: takes the head of Medusa and puts it into the shield,
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  Speaker 1: and so now the head of Medusa is inside of
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  Speaker 1: the ages, and so that shield is what you always
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  Speaker 1: see her carrying around with the spear, and also Medusa
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  Speaker 1: on the cugous as well, So she's got Medusa frickin everywhere.
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  Speaker 1: But Medusa was everywhere in the ancient world anyway, Like
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  Speaker 1: this was just a common motif of the woman's head
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  Speaker 1: with the snakes coming off the off the hair, and
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  Speaker 1: then the two you know, wings of Pegasus behind her,
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  Speaker 1: because after Percy has chopped her head off, Pegasus came
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  Speaker 1: springing out of her neck, and so that's where Pegasus
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  Speaker 1: comes from. That was the origin. So that's what he
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  Speaker 1: flies into. And you know, we've got the Pegasus constellation,
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  Speaker 1: we've got the Percy's constellation, and he's holding up the
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  Speaker 1: head of Medusa with al gold in the eye. So
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  Speaker 1: I think it's a pretty significant shield or symbol in
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  Speaker 1: the background of everything else. You know, it's sort of
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  Speaker 1: like running on autopilot in the subconscious mind of everybody,
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  Speaker 1: but it's still in there. Yep. So that's my symbol,
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  Speaker 1: the aegis.
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  Speaker 2: I gotta switch back to Oh nice, that's right, you're
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  Speaker 2: in charge of this. I had to blow that up,
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  Speaker 2: so I want I want to be able to look
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  Speaker 2: at that thing better. All right, let me get my
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  Speaker 2: notes up of this. Yes, this is the uh, the
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  Speaker 2: spade of Marduk. So it's a small triangle spade or
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  Speaker 2: hoe emblem carved the top of tiny shrine or altar
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  Speaker 2: on Babylonian Cadua's boundary stones. It serves as a symbol
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  Speaker 2: of Marduk, the city god of Babylon, and is frequently
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  Speaker 2: shown beside Marduke's dragon and the Met. The Met has
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  Speaker 2: one there and when it first shows up. This emblem
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  Speaker 2: is securely attested in the K A. S. S I.
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  Speaker 2: T Period, Casite Kasite period fourteenth to twelfth century BCE,
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  Speaker 2: and later on on Land Grant. The curderers are set
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  Speaker 2: up in temples the famous caduau of King Melay Shippak.
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  Speaker 2: I'm saying that correctly twelve BC at the Levore preserves
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  Speaker 2: the full band of God's symbols, Star of Ishtar, the
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  Speaker 2: crescent of Sin son of Shamash and alongside others on
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  Speaker 2: stacked registers where it's been seen where it's collected the
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  Speaker 2: Metropolitan Museum of Art. They got one there like the
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  Speaker 2: one I just mentioned now, the two kudros and including
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  Speaker 2: the melee chappek Pak with the classic top register of
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  Speaker 2: divine emblems, and again that has the ishtar sign and
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  Speaker 2: has a disc and a horned tiaras or an annual
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  Speaker 2: or in lil on there sometimes as well. Sometimes it
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  Speaker 2: has a goat or a fish or the goat fish
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  Speaker 2: and the British Museum also has another one, and they
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  Speaker 2: have the one with the goat fish, and they have
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  Speaker 2: the ram headed crook, and they have the one with
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  Speaker 2: the bird on the perch, which I think I have
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  Speaker 2: have images of those which I can show you what
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  Speaker 2: I've done, what it means identify mark of Marduk. It's
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  Speaker 2: authorative Mesopotamian deity lists and describes Marduke's symbol as a
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  Speaker 2: triangular spade shown on top of a temple shrine on Carduus,
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  Speaker 2: the recorded royal land grants and Cardura's recorded royal land
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  Speaker 2: grants and were set up in temples, combining cuneiform deeds
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  Speaker 2: with a skyline of the god's emblems as legal divine
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  Speaker 2: guarantees and curses on violators. Some overviews note the spade
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  Speaker 2: may reflect agricultural canal management associations of Marduk used with
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  Speaker 2: caution its secondary interpretation not a requirement for reading the sun.
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  Speaker 2: How was it used as a carved divine signature anchoring
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  Speaker 2: a land grant's legitimacy and the curse formulas that protected
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  Speaker 2: Carduro's routine routinely stack multiple gob em emblems, so the
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  Speaker 2: entire antheon witnesses the document Jesus. Oh, that's kind of interesting. Classic.
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  Speaker 2: So I guess like the more you bring against the
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  Speaker 2: more valuable it is classic of pora math. I mean
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  Speaker 2: that just depends on who has got more fucking time
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  Speaker 2: to call these things then, right, well I made ten
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  Speaker 2: of these, so you better make sure you do it now.
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  Speaker 2: Is that what we're talking.
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  Speaker 1: I think there's a really interesting link between these stones
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  Speaker 1: and the mounds, right because the mounds would have these
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  Speaker 1: uh property deeds inside of them, you know, sort of
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  Speaker 1: granting everybody in that region access to the thing. And
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  Speaker 1: so these things are sort of planted out by the uh,
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  Speaker 1: the the borderline to tell people, you know, who owns
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  Speaker 1: this land and not Comny closer or whatever. They still
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  Speaker 1: have those boundary stones in Washington, d C. Which that's
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  Speaker 1: a very if they're putting boundary stones with that.
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  Speaker 2: I wonder if I actually saw any out there. I
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  Speaker 2: didn't even realize what I was looking at.
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  Speaker 1: Well, if you hang on around the border of Washington,
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  Speaker 1: d C. They still have some in Alexandria too, because
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  Speaker 1: Washington d C was supposed to encompass all of Alexandria
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  Speaker 1: down across the Potomac, and so you can find the
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  Speaker 1: boundary stones of where they were supposed to have property.
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  Speaker 1: But now that's all Alexandria, but the boundary stones are
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  Speaker 1: still there. It's kind of interesting. So DC was supposed
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  Speaker 1: to be a perfect cube, and the thing that cut
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  Speaker 1: it off was the Potomac River and into Virginia. They
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  Speaker 1: wanted to have it between the two spaces so that
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  Speaker 1: it couldn't be controlled by either the north or the south. Right,
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  Speaker 1: that's the boundary line. And understanding that they kind of
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  Speaker 1: cut off the south by the Potomac and that's no
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  Speaker 1: longer part of Washington, d C properts really kind of
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  Speaker 1: says something about the politics there. That's amazing is that
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  Speaker 1: a tm att.
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  Speaker 2: Let me choose? Uh, I don't think that was mentioned,
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  Speaker 2: but I mean it could be. What are these I
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  Speaker 2: mean you've seen we've seen these before.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's also a very common Native American motif, at
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  Speaker 1: least the one on the left. Is that's just amazing work.
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  Speaker 1: And which which period was this? Was this the Sumerian
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  Speaker 1: or Akadian?
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  Speaker 2: What I'm gonna say kiss site I think it said
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  Speaker 2: and it was twelfth to uh they cut I could
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  Speaker 2: be say this wrong. K A S S I T. E.
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  Speaker 2: Period fourteenth to twelfth century b C. Mm hmm.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, so that's definitely in the what's it called, well,
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  Speaker 1: a Kadian period because the I know, the line between
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  Speaker 1: uh Samerian and all the rest of it comes through
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  Speaker 1: Sargon of a Cad, and Sargon of a Cad was
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  Speaker 1: like I don't know, maybe three thousand BC, and so
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  Speaker 1: there was a long period of time between them and this.
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  Speaker 1: I think I could be wrong on those days.
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  Speaker 2: No, I couldn't even tell you if you are. I
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  Speaker 2: just know that, Yeah, this is from the fourteenth century BC. Uh, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I think I pretty much. Really again, you know, it's
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  Speaker 2: it's recorded loyal or royal land grants and we're set
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  Speaker 2: up in temples showing legal divine guarantees or curses or
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  Speaker 2: on violators. Some had again agricultural canal management associations on there.
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  Speaker 2: But yeah, I thought it was pretty interesting. I've never
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  Speaker 2: seen it before. I mean, it wasn't anything too like,
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  Speaker 2: you know, a cult of magical but it's bugged out looking.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, honestly, to tell you the truth, for all
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  Speaker 2: we know, it actually says something completely different and they
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  Speaker 2: think that's what the mutes, right, But.
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  Speaker 1: Look at the repeating motifs though, Like we're seeing the
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  Speaker 1: two pillars, right, you've got this that that tree right,
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  Speaker 1: that tree shows up in all of them. It's just
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  Speaker 1: slightly shaped differently there. Yeah, it's it's it is the
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  Speaker 1: angular but and then you've got these the sun pieces
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  Speaker 1: that seem to be different sizes and shapes, but it's
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  Speaker 1: all the same scene that they're showing, right, you know,
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  Speaker 1: one's the moon, one's the sun. And then yeah, it's
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  Speaker 1: it's really interesting how they would you know, they're remixing
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  Speaker 1: each one of these stones, but it's the same image.
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  Speaker 1: They did that a lot with Tannate stones as well,
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  Speaker 1: the ones and h the Peutic wars, the Carthage. I
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  Speaker 1: forgot that, but yeah, they had the similar thing going
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  Speaker 1: on with the Tannate top its stones. Also a big
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  Speaker 1: influence is the uh you know this Samarian Akkadian influence.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, there you go, I'll show you want me to
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  Speaker 2: go back? Sorry?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, So sudden moon right there, right, you got that tree,
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  Speaker 1: it's nice and angular there, that's the same God. He's
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  Speaker 1: sort of pointing up towards the heavens with those things.
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  Speaker 1: And then you got the pillars right below it. So
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  Speaker 1: it's really these are just different styles of depicting the
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  Speaker 1: same event.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I like that. Good is say that I
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  Speaker 2: didn't even noticed that ship before.
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  Speaker 1: Dragon. Dude, that's totally the dragon. That's awesome because you
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  Speaker 1: know that's that's the chaos dragon that they mentioned in
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  Speaker 1: the Bible. Yeah, that's the same.
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  Speaker 2: You got the same stalls up here again in the
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  Speaker 2: crist Yeah, there you go.
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  Speaker 1: See the image now the pillars. Look at this at
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  Speaker 1: the sun and the moon.
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  Speaker 2: Again. The crescent is the way that I depict it
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  Speaker 2: for an eclipse, for the way I see it. It's
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  Speaker 2: interesting when you I always take that into consideration when
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  Speaker 2: I see people use crescents like this. I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: Well, in Canaanite Phoenician tannet worship, on top of TANet
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  Speaker 1: was bail, which was the combination of the sun disk
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  Speaker 1: and the moon horn.
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  Speaker 2: Well, tell you the truth, whatever I think told you
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  Speaker 2: Tolt's headdress where it looks like the moon and the
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  Speaker 2: where the sun disc and the moon crescent, that's exactly
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  Speaker 2: what it looks like as the black is separating from
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  Speaker 2: the fucking white. Actually, it looks like the same, both
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  Speaker 2: of them put together, looks like one full image, That's
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  Speaker 2: what I'm saying.
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  Speaker 1: And isn't it weird that they're putting these trees up
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  Speaker 1: on these pedestals that have these uh columns down beneath them.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I wish I could zooming.
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  Speaker 1: What are those things? Yeah?
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  Speaker 2: Right?
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  Speaker 1: Are those temples like ziggurat some sort of structure that
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  Speaker 1: they built? It looks like trees?
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  Speaker 2: Is that? Isn't that a zodiac sign?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah? That's the goat? That's the seagoat again? Is that
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  Speaker 1: uh Leo Sagittarius?
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  Speaker 2: Look at that? M all right, I'm sorry taking up
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  Speaker 2: too much time.
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  Speaker 1: Ah, dude, I love these things, the similarities, they just
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  Speaker 1: start popping out. It feels so much richer, like there
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  Speaker 1: was really something that you can read from these things,
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  Speaker 1: some kind of story that could be the entire entire
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  Speaker 1: Baale cycle sort of summed up in a single image
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  Speaker 1: that makes sense at least.
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  Speaker 2: Damn. I didn't get an answer about this. It doesn't
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  Speaker 2: really matter. I'm not persuing the person's name. I remember
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  Speaker 2: that you well, I mean some yeah kind of, I
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  Speaker 2: just I never find I forgot that be Like, I mean,
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  Speaker 2: I don't know, I'm assuming I got.
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  Speaker 1: I got one. You want to go first with yours.
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  Speaker 1: Mine's pretty long, so oh jeez, you don't have to
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  Speaker 1: say her name or his name, his or her name.
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  Speaker 2: It's funny how like, well, it's funny how you say
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  Speaker 2: her because like nine out of ten, isn't it women
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  Speaker 2: that send them in? Actually? Right, you're so used to that,
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  Speaker 2: that's funny.
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  Speaker 1: Come on, guys, you need to have some occult experiences.
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  Speaker 1: We're getting beaten by the ladies. Get out there and
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  Speaker 1: dink something up in the middle of the night. You
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  Speaker 1: never know what you're gonna find.
• 17:45
  Speaker 2: You are, right, Uh. I was in some unfamiliar Polish
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  Speaker 2: city with a man in another man's apartment. I was
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  Speaker 2: talking to the man who lived there about something completely unimportant,
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  Speaker 2: and the conversation was quite short. But I remember more
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  Speaker 2: clearly is the layout of his apartment. There was quite
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  Speaker 2: a few rooms, and it was quite well furnished for
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  Speaker 2: his age and for being a block of flats. And
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  Speaker 2: what I saw outside the window in an ordinary busy street,
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  Speaker 2: it looked like I might have been somewhere near my
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  Speaker 2: family city. Throughout the dream, I had the feeling that
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  Speaker 2: another dream had somehow merged into it, like I was
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  Speaker 2: in between realism and some kind of mystical reality. I
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  Speaker 2: know that again. I saw my grandmother in the dream.
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  Speaker 2: I was making some strange mix, some strange mixtures and
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  Speaker 2: gel like spheres, intending for the materials to be flammable.
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  Speaker 2: And there are three puppies. Both of the men had
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  Speaker 2: completely disappeared. I was doing something like distilling flammable substance
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  Speaker 2: and petting the puppies, even though they were just puppies,
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  Speaker 2: and my grandmother was there. None of them seemed real.
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  Speaker 2: It felt as if they had been dead for years
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  Speaker 2: but were still somehow functioning on earth, mistaken for the living,
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  Speaker 2: but they weren't. Later, I went to the bathroom and
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  Speaker 2: the first man said we had to leave. He seemed
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  Speaker 2: real and alive. I don't know him. I don't know
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  Speaker 2: the other one either. In the dream story, they were
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  Speaker 2: both rather unnecessary. Then it transitioned into the next dream,
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: which was really nice. I dreamed that I was in
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: a huge building, something like a space station or an
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: aviation complex, but not exactly a station, more like an
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  Speaker 2: official refined building for people associated with that station. I
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: was among many people, a crowd, and I think my
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  Speaker 2: mom and dad were there. Yes, they would definitely work.
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  Speaker 2: I was looking at the sky which was completely black,
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  Speaker 2: and on it the moon in its third quarter. I
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  Speaker 2: was watching the moon and saw a ring around it,
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  Speaker 2: not circular though. Just as the moon was shaped like
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  Speaker 2: a crescent, that thin line around it, that thin unlined it.
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: The thin line around it was also in the same shape,
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: like a water. I looked closely. The moon was huge.
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: I wanted to take a photo. My phone rarely works
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: properly in dreams, but I've already learned how to make
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: it show the image. And when I zoomed in, I
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: could see the moon, an incredible detail and an interesting thing,
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: and installation around it, complex but very retro. I took
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: a photo and it showed it and showed it to
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: my father and turned. And it turned out that this
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: installation could change the moon's position. I went into the
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: building and looked at all those people. It was some
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: kind of gaya an no gala. I left because it
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: wasn't the right place for me. I started looking at
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: for the moon again, and it had moved away. It
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: was smaller now, but nearby I found something that had
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: the same shape. I took out some tools and an
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: app that searches for objects in space, and according to
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: what my brain came up with it was either a
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: black hole because it looked like a black, torn out
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: patch of sky, or quoting my own mind, a neutron star.
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: I tried to observe that object with my eyes. Just
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: looking at it, I had the impression it was about
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: five to seven centimeters in size, and so I kept
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: deserving the sky. Then I went for a walk down
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: some country road. I passed by some bushes and on
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: the right I saw a line of starlings very close
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: to me, and on the left about five airplanes landing
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: one after another. Then I went back to the gala
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: and the dream ended. The first dream, I didn't feel
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: very comfortable. The puppies were quite skittish, and I felt
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: more an easy than okay. But in the second one,
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: that was yeah, that was it. That one was okay,
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: that's it.
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah. Interesting. So a lot of astrological symbolism, a
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: lot of moon symbolism, sort of being able to dial
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: forward and dial back the energies of these different planes.
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: And I think there there's that concept that all the
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: planets are kind of their own dimension, Like if you
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: astrally project to these planets, you've got a whole different dimension,
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: and I see a lot of that kind of reflected
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: you know, that astral projection type feel to that dream, right,
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: sort of more mechanical, more detailed.
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I told the interesting Well the first thing I
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: thought it was the first one. I was like, it
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: sounds like an alchemist, right, mixing all these things up
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: in your place, this distilling shit. I was like, that's
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: interesting because I don't like that person is into the occult,
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: you know, probably a little bit more into certain things
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: than I was. So, I mean, it just seemed weird
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: that they kind of had like their own version of
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: a different version of maybe a new age version of
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: an alchemist, you know what I'm saying in their dream
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: and they are into practicing the occult or reading it.
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: At least, right, or maybe that's what turned them ontolcome
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: me in the first place, is having these dreams.
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah right, yeah, yeah I should ask him about that. Yeah.
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: Whereas yes, I just figured, yeah, I got that one.
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure was like, you know, sent to me
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: to be used. I just just wanted to double check. Really,
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: I just wanted to say, can I keep the name?
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: Really?
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: I was just just making sure about the name. I'll
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: just leave the name out It doesn't matter. Yeah, we
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: finally got ones. Finally someone sent one to me.
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah. It's funny because you know, I put my email
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: out there every time, and they said it all right,
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: I got Joe Ferguson. He says, guys, this is not
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: my story, but my cousins. First, I will give you
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: a little informations.
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: I've seen his name. Sorry, this isn't rot. I've seen
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: his name out there. Yeah.
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it was so man, Thank you, Joe nice. Uh.
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: It is called the Pliny Woods in East Texas. It
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: is so dense with pine trees. There are some very
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: secluded areas. It's so funny how all these motifs that
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: we were pointing out in that uh cycle video or
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: the not the video, but the you know, the stones
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: that you have are reoccurring themes and motifs in the
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: emails that we're reading. You know, you've got the moon
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: and now we've got these pine trees. We also have
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: plenty woods texts. It's so dense with pine trees. There
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: are some very secluded areas. But we also have our
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: fair share of burial mound sites called the New Diana
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: New Diana interesting. It pretty much has three stores and
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: a school. Now, my cousin is a no nonsense kind
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: of girl who doesn't play around and tells you how
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: it is. She said that one night her and her
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: friend were coming home and they pulled up to my
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: aunt's house. When you pull up in the drive, you
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: see a panoramic view of the backyard. My aunt has
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: a little garden and some chicken coops in the back,
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: close to the tree line where the woods start. As
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: they were pulling in and it was like two am,
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: she said, she was completely sober, and she noticed someone
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: in the back by the chicken coops. She said, who
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: the fuck is in my mom's backyard at two am?
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: And she turned the brights on. She said that there
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: was a man standing there with two chickens in his hands,
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: but he had the head of a dog. I asked
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: her what if it was like a werewolf and she
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: said no, it was a man's body but with a
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: dog's head. She said, it looked up at her and
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: turned around and walked into the woods. More like, what's
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: that at Egyptian God's name, Cheez a blanket Anubis? There
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: we go, YEA. My cousin forgot her friend was with
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: her and She looks over and her friend is wide
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: eyed with her mouth open. My cousin said that she
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: talked to her friend, did you see that? And her
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: friend was literally out of the car and running up
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: to my aunt's front door, which is usually unlocked. My
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: cousin came in and she tried to talk about it
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: with her friend, but her friend was so freaked out
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: that she wouldn't talk about it and couldn't sleep. As
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: soon as the day broke, she was out there and
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: has never went back to my aunt's place now. The
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: house that my aunt lives in was where she and
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: my dad and other siblings grew up, so there's a
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: lot of history there and had some paranormal activity. I
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: feel like these things are more spiritual rather than physical.
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: I'm not sure, but I will try and see if
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: she will message in with more information. But I hope
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: you guys enjoyed the story. That's freaking amazing. It's funny
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: about the burial mounds too. What did you say about
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: the curses on these stones?
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: Oh? Yeah, all those stones that I had could be curses.
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: Yet what are those things of that? Right?
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah? You think maybe the mounds are cursed because you're
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: trespassing kind of like God had the curses on them, right, Yeah,
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: they're King Tut's tomb, all the people die. All I'm
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: saying is that curses might be more prevalent than we realize,
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: and they might be on these, uh, these mound sites
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: because they are boundary stones between two different tribes, so
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: you kind of want to keep them away. Why wouldn't
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: you be cursing these things pretty much?
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: You want to keep people out right, right, I mean,
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: who knows what you could be doing with that?
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, sure, just the thought, just the thought. But you know,
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: boundary stones were very important back then. That's how people
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: marked everything out.
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: So you know, they didn't see any h on them.
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: I mean, but if you go I mean I technically,
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know, would you consider that kind
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: of like boundary stones when you start going up like
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: in main and like up north where it's like everybody's
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: yards is like built off with rocks. Shit, I mean,
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: it's kind of almost the same thing. Everybody's fucking boundaries
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: of their properties. There are all stumb by stone walls.
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: Right right.
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: That's weird. I was like, this is so weird.
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: Looking in the Greek days, you had Hermes manifesting as
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: these hermstones, and the hermstones would have his bust on
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: them right up to his shoulders and then it would
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: be solid stone or rough stone from that point down,
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: and that would mark the boundary lines between properties as well.
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: So Hermes kind of plays as the the go between
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: between borders, right, So that's why the hermstones would be
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: sort of marking the borders like this is only Hermes
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: is allowed to cross here kind of thing. Kind of interesting,
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: but you know, they've always been sort of declared.
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: He's the one who can cross the borders, right right
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: that she again, that fits with me. Hermes would fit
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: on the Mercury sphere where I think that starts his
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: journey to cross the Again, he's the one who's doing it, kind.
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: Of starts to a Newbiss.
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: That could Yeah, it could be him at the end,
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying, Like at the end of.
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: The who knows, right, So these boundary stones having a
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: dog headed man grabbing chickens could have something to do
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: with the underworld because a new Biss is from the
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: underworld and these are boundary lines between different spaces. Maybe
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: you're talking about the underworld. Maybe it's a cursed space
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: something like that. They just want to mark it out,
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: or it's a worship site. Yeah, these things we're given chickens.
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: That's quite possible, just taking what's theirs, right, it could
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: have been uh.
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: Offerings, exactly. It's much more prevalent. You know, we don't
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: even think about sacrifices anymore, especially with everywhere. Yeah, that's
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: how the communities got together. You know, they would sacrifice
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: to the gods. Everybody would eat. It was a good time.
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: So maybe we should bring that back, big old barbecues, like,
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: oh yeah, well exactly, that's what that's what a sacrifice
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: would be. It was kind of like the Luau, and
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: and they incorporated their gods with the Luau too. So
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: there's actually a lot of uh, you know, Da Nancy,
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: with all these cookouts and stuff like that. It's just
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: people don't consider it that sort of stuff anymore, even
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: though it is, you know, all these symbols transfer. But uh,
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: this has been about thirty minutes. Thank you everybody for
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: joining us.
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: What's that Trevor down there? Just check out that Trevor.
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: Somebody say down there in the comments. It might be
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: on my side. It says Trevor Plant something like that.
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: I have a kind of a niche ocult topic. I
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: would like to chat with you both. It's under him.
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: That's so wild. You don't see the one under this guy?
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: Oh yes, yeah, I don't know who this person is
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: telling the hit up you, right.
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah, send me an email?
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, hit us up? Whoever? That was Trevor Plant thirty
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: five sixty two, All right, yeah, that was Oh yeah,
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: it's uh wait, oh you know what I do you
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: want to plug for us? It's something I do want
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: to do. I have mentioned in the chat I was
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: gonna mention, though I think we will end up covering
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: I was looking to maybe shoot for right after Halloween
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: Serpent in the Rainbow.
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: Oh shit, yeah yeah, because.
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: I know, like me, you, Robbie and maybe Annie and Jewels,
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: a bunch of us are actually totally down for that.
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: I know I haven't sent anything since I threw the
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: I pick out there, but yeah, I do want to
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: do that, So I was hoping you'll just announce that that.
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: Hopefully within a few weeks you should see the recall
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: rejects talking about a Serpent in the rainbow. That should
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: be fun.
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: Are you coming on with Jewels tomorrow.
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: Oh, I do what I'm yo, believe it or not,
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: I am. I'm leaving in about five hours to start
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: heading to Florida for this fucking thing tomorrow. No, I
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: will not be angels. So wait, No, you know what,
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: Technically I could use my phone and possibly pull that
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: off if I'm at the Airbnb at that point, and
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: if I am, I will, I will, I will come on.
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: I'll jump on with my phone if he lets me.
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: If he lets me, I don't want to, you know,
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: put him on the spot. But no, I'll come on.
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: I'll even have I might even be able to hook
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: up my my wireless road mics. I can plug into
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: my phone and I might actually have like a decent mic.
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: Nice.
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I might be able to pull that off.
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: I'll try. I'll try. Yeah. Yeah. If I'm around, I'll
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: definitely jump on. I'll fuck it. Who cares. I'll be
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: in an Airbnb by myself, like lose it, you know,
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: or I'll be out go something with Brooke. I don't
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: know who else.
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: Right, So we're gonna be talking about nature spirits, and
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: we're gonna be talking about our viewing and how the
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: two are linked and like elementals.
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, no, if I'm a right, I'll jump
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: off for shure Man. Thank you.
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: There's a lot of that going on in ghost hunting,
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: just people don't realize that's what's happening. Yes, I think
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: all right, guys, we will talk again next time and
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: check out the Trialogus and Jules' podcast tomorrow and we'll
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: see you again next time. Yeah, cancel. I hit the
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: wrong button. I'm thinking it's on your podcast, so I'm
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: hitting the h away button.
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: The d S D six six, the Millers among the
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