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WVSSAC Postseason Turmoil: Points System Flaws and Charleston's Hosting Challenges · Let's Talk with Carl Lee

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  Speaker 5: Welcome, ladies and gentlemen to Let's Talk with Curl Lee
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  Speaker 5: and uh my co host Hollis Lewis and Lisa.
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  Speaker 3: Odie are here and hello, Hello, and we have a very.
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  Speaker 5: Very interesting conversation that we've had since we actually got
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  Speaker 5: into the studio. When we got into the building, we've
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  Speaker 5: been we've been kind of talking a little bit about.
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  Speaker 6: Injunctions.
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  Speaker 3: Well the yeah, the word of today.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, injunctions have been had been for sure, that's the subject.
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  Speaker 3: The s SAC.
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  Speaker 5: And football programs around the around the state. It seems
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  Speaker 5: to me, Hollis, and you're our expert on this, like, wow,
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  Speaker 5: I want to say, done a little research, I'm going
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  Speaker 5: to make the case Hollis that you know, one of
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  Speaker 5: the things that I've heard someone say, you know, having
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  Speaker 5: the best interest of the athletes in mind or trying
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  Speaker 5: to focus on that personally, I don't see that being
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  Speaker 5: the case. But I'll come back to that as you
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  Speaker 5: kind of enlighten us a little bit, give us a
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  Speaker 5: little bit of background to where we're at. And I
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  Speaker 5: want to start from the beginning because obviously we're going
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  Speaker 5: to talk about the playoff, postponement and delays and Supreme
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  Speaker 5: Court and different things of that nature. But I feel
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  Speaker 5: like we have to set a tone because again, this
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  Speaker 5: isn't like a single event. This spawned from the very beginning,
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  Speaker 5: and to me, if we look at it, it's really
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  Speaker 5: no surprise where we're at now, right because I think
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  Speaker 5: earlier this year, maybe even sometime last year, they were
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  Speaker 5: in discussions about having a quada, which is a four quad,
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  Speaker 5: a single a double a system in West Virginia for football.
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  Speaker 5: Now they've done this with basketball for the last couple
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  Speaker 5: of years. But I think what we have to remember
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  Speaker 5: about basketball is that there's more schools playing basketball and
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  Speaker 5: less players. So far as that I could see that
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  Speaker 5: and it probably wouldn't be as big a problem because
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  Speaker 5: it would create more competitive balance, which that was the
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  Speaker 5: point of this. But I think from what we're seeing
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  Speaker 5: now is that that it's almost done the opposite. Absolutely,
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  Speaker 5: it's done the opposite of creating competitive balance. It at
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  Speaker 5: least we've we've talked several times about scores. Yes, and
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  Speaker 5: there's no way I would have ever thought playing high
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  Speaker 5: school football that I would be playing on a team
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  Speaker 5: that's gonna score eighty points or is gonna get eighty
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  Speaker 5: points scored on them.
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  Speaker 3: That just was never going to happen.
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  Speaker 5: And I'm and I'll even go even further, I'm not
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  Speaker 5: sure that the talent that we were gonna go against
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  Speaker 5: would not be better than what.
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  Speaker 3: It is now.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, right right, And I think our assumption when we
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  Speaker 7: saw these scores, at least now I'm educated, thank you
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  Speaker 7: Hollis on how the point system works for the playoff.
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  Speaker 3: Rankings, and we'll get into details.
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  Speaker 7: Yes, yes, yes, but I think I think at the time,
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  Speaker 7: whenever we were under the assumption you and I Carl
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  Speaker 7: that you got points for the playoffs rankings if you
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  Speaker 7: scored a certain amount in your actual play of a game, right,
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  Speaker 7: And so we thought, Okay, there's a reason why these
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  Speaker 7: these teams are kicking on side kicks and throwing passes
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  Speaker 7: in the in the fourth quarter while they're rep forty
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  Speaker 7: to fifty points. So we kind of gave some grace
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  Speaker 7: to those teams that were behaving that way, thinking, Okay,
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  Speaker 7: they're doing it for a reason. They're doing it to
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  Speaker 7: gain points for the playoffs. And then we come across
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  Speaker 7: the system and how it works, and we see nothing
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  Speaker 7: of the sort as far as you know, how many
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  Speaker 7: points you score in a game to be able to
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  Speaker 7: you know, connect it to your your ranking for the playoff.
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  Speaker 7: So we're kind of just I'm disappointed in that because
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  Speaker 7: I felt like there was a reason why some of
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  Speaker 7: these teams were doing the things that they were doing
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  Speaker 7: on the field, as far as you know in play
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  Speaker 7: against other teams, going up forty to fifty points was
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  Speaker 7: because of the playoff rankings. And now that you see
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  Speaker 7: that there really wasn't a legitimate, a legitimate reason to
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  Speaker 7: be doing those those types of things, I'm kind of
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  Speaker 7: disappointed in that, right And.
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  Speaker 3: Here's the thing. Let me let me let me say this.
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  Speaker 5: We're going to talk about the points, but far as
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  Speaker 5: why they went to four A, because when we look
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  Speaker 5: at for a, you have one point five million people
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  Speaker 5: in West Virginia. West Virginia is losing five thousand students
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  Speaker 5: per year. There was absolutely no justification in addition to
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  Speaker 5: what you just said as far as competitive balance, which
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  Speaker 5: they haven't created, no, not at all. And we'll talk
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  Speaker 5: about the conference and that was a mess up to
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  Speaker 5: far as higher relation to what's going on now. But
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  Speaker 5: if we're losing five thousand students per year, we have
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  Speaker 5: one point five one point six million people in the state,
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  Speaker 5: and we're losing our total population. There was no reason
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  Speaker 5: West Virginia is not big enough to have a four
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  Speaker 5: class system.
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  Speaker 6: We're just not right.
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  Speaker 5: So so all the justifications that they gave originally, it
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  Speaker 5: just didn't It doesn't make sense.
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  Speaker 3: And don't you think though, for the average parent of
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  Speaker 3: a kid who plays.
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  Speaker 5: A high school fan of the sport, an adult speaking
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  Speaker 5: of the adults, not necessarily the kids.
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  Speaker 3: They they are not educated on any of this.
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  Speaker 5: And so in outfront, this might have looked good, Oh
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  Speaker 5: my teams are we're four A.
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  Speaker 3: It does look good. It's the only thing.
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  Speaker 5: That's the only thing, because once you get to the numbers,
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  Speaker 5: the numbers don't just to fight us doing this in
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  Speaker 5: as sport like football again, basketball, baseball, those are different sports.
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  Speaker 5: You have less players, it's different. So I could see
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  Speaker 5: the competitive balance being pergnent within those sports. But when
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  Speaker 5: you're talking about a football we got to at least
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  Speaker 5: have thirty to forty kids. Like I said, we're consolidating
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  Speaker 5: schools every day. Every day we're here about consolidations from
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  Speaker 5: because because of low numbers. So like you're doing this
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  Speaker 5: off the top, didn't make sense.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, you're you.
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  Speaker 5: You're trying to grow the football level while the student
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  Speaker 5: level is dropped. And the thing is, you can't even
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  Speaker 5: say that because you're not growing anything. All you're doing
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  Speaker 5: is just you're you're just robbing Peter to pay Paul.
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  Speaker 5: You're moving the puzzle pieces around.
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  Speaker 3: Right. Well, you could and couldn't you listen to that point?
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  Speaker 5: I think as soon as four A came out and
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  Speaker 5: everybody was all these teams were in four A. What
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  Speaker 5: was the first thing that happened. We're moving back down
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  Speaker 5: to triple A or we're moving from triple to double.
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  Speaker 3: Right, right, And that's the next point.
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  Speaker 5: The next point is that the next thing that happened
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  Speaker 5: in August right in the beginning of the season, is
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  Speaker 5: that you had eleven schools. You had eleven schools filing
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  Speaker 5: junctions word of today injunctions to get back to the
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  Speaker 5: lower conference, right. And the justifications was that, again, how
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  Speaker 5: they determined the classification level it was this is more
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  Speaker 5: confused in the geometry. They did like eighty percent with enrollment,
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  Speaker 5: and they split the last twenty percent between your actual
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  Speaker 5: location and the socioeconomic status of the area in which
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  Speaker 5: your school was placed in whether it was urban city rule,
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  Speaker 5: da da da da, which is convoluted, complicated and really
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  Speaker 5: didn't necessarily make sense.
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  Speaker 6: So who came up with this?
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  Speaker 7: Because I mean that the triple AAA single A, that
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  Speaker 7: that alignment so just for years. In fact, it served
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  Speaker 7: us back when I was in school and beyond that,
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  Speaker 7: and we had more population then. So where in the
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  Speaker 7: world did we find a reason to even look at
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  Speaker 7: this and start this this whole movement to do quality?
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  Speaker 5: And that's what And that's kind of the point. So
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  Speaker 5: we looking at the very beginning of this, not only
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  Speaker 5: is there not a point to do it, but then
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  Speaker 5: when you actually the implementation of it didn't make sense.
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  Speaker 5: So from so so fact to one, why did you
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  Speaker 5: do it? It really didn't need to happen, right, And
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  Speaker 5: and the reason in which you stated it created the
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  Speaker 5: opposite effect. And then the implementation of it when you
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  Speaker 5: go to these factors as far as developing who's going
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  Speaker 5: to be in what's classification?
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  Speaker 3: That doesn't make sense, is it?
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  Speaker 5: And and I and I was as I was reading
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  Speaker 5: up on this, if someone makes the comment that that
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  Speaker 5: they're that we're looking out for the betterment of the athlete,
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  Speaker 5: I buy I buy that in theory, but I think
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  Speaker 5: the system in what you're creating isn't for the kids.
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  Speaker 3: It's for you.
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  Speaker 5: As a as a because if we have quada. Oh gosh,
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  Speaker 5: West Virginia's got quada. We've been triple A for as
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  Speaker 5: long as we've been and it has served us well. Yeah,
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  Speaker 5: and whether and the moment we go quada, all of
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  Speaker 5: a sudden.
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  Speaker 6: We don't have enough teams to have a quad A well?
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  Speaker 3: And when the time? When the last time you saw
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  Speaker 3: eighty points? But in a high school game?
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  Speaker 5: But I think, I mean, that's that's becoming a little
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  Speaker 5: bit more common with the with the pace in which
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  Speaker 5: team scored, So I don't I'm not necessarily hung up
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  Speaker 5: on that. The thing is is that what I'm saying
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  Speaker 5: is that if you're going to create a for a
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  Speaker 5: system to a singular system. Again, I did the average,
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  Speaker 5: and it's about I think there's one hundred and fifteen
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  Speaker 5: hundred and sixteen teams, so you can have about twenty
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  Speaker 5: eight teams per conference. But if you're going to do that,
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  Speaker 5: the implementation has to be tight so that way you
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  Speaker 5: don't have these eleven injunctions and now you throw the.
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  Speaker 3: Numbers off.
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  Speaker 3: Why why why?
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  Speaker 5: Just like why now right right? Like I mean here
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  Speaker 5: we are right before repulation, right before the playoffs.
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  Speaker 6: And we do this like now right like right?
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  Speaker 8: Why?
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  Speaker 3: But I think, I mean, help me understand that.
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  Speaker 5: I think if I'm if I'm sitting in that seat,
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  Speaker 5: I think if I'm sitting day Price, He's executive director
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  Speaker 5: of wbs SAC. So if I'm sitting in the seat
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  Speaker 5: and I'm looking regionally and I'm saying I want to
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  Speaker 5: be competitive regionally, I want to pit West Virginia on
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  Speaker 5: the same par as Ohio, Kentucky, whatever, I think.
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  Speaker 3: What I'm saying is that.
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  Speaker 5: So I think if I'm thinking like that, particularly from
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  Speaker 5: a football which we know is the cash cow, I'm saying.
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  Speaker 3: Four A is a good idea.
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  Speaker 5: However, what happened is the implementation of it was beyond awful.
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  Speaker 3: It was beyond awful.
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  Speaker 5: So I think he's thinking from a regional and maybe
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  Speaker 5: a national standpoint, that this may be a good idea
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  Speaker 5: to do in West Virginia, although the factors and the
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  Speaker 5: numbers maybe don't support it.
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  Speaker 3: I would, okay, So.
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  Speaker 5: I would me just being a just a just a
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  Speaker 5: just a just a straight up athlete, all right, with
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  Speaker 5: no education thought process behind this one of the things
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  Speaker 5: that I'm thinking, okay, And again I'm putting myself in
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  Speaker 5: the place because I'm thinking, I don't know if I could.
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  Speaker 5: Why why is trip? Why is if our numbers are
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  Speaker 5: low to to your valid points of dropping students, losing students,
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  Speaker 5: the whole, the whole thing, all this, all this is happening,
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  Speaker 5: and we want to bump up, we want.
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  Speaker 7: To go up a level our fording then because that
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  Speaker 7: we don't have enough to I mean, in fact, if
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  Speaker 7: if it's all about looking like we are on the
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  Speaker 7: same level as an Ohio or a Kentuckus, we're not.
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  Speaker 7: We're not population wise, we're not, We're not even as
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  Speaker 7: big as they are. So then just eliminate single A
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  Speaker 7: and have quad A triple.
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  Speaker 6: A double A. But but but and and and and
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  Speaker 6: I want to say this, if it's about image, and and.
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  Speaker 5: Again, it's definitely about perception. There's no way I love
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  Speaker 5: West Virginia. I'm a West Virginia athlete, born and raised
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  Speaker 5: in support West Virginia athletes.
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  Speaker 3: But we are not Ohio football.
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  Speaker 5: No, okay, we and and and just because we tag
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  Speaker 5: a number on it doesn't make it Ohio football.
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  Speaker 3: And I'm sorry.
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  Speaker 5: Here's the problem. Here's the problem. And again I understand
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  Speaker 5: mister Price and whoever implemented it. I understand though the
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  Speaker 5: reason because when you're looking at West Virginia and you're
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  Speaker 5: looking at our border counties, so you're looking at the
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  Speaker 5: Wood Counties, you're looking at the Eastern Panhandle, when you're
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  Speaker 5: looking at the northern Panhandle, they have a market competitive
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  Speaker 5: advantage because with the transfer and the Lucy Goosey rules,
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  Speaker 5: now they can get those kids from Pennsylvania, Ohio, Maryland,
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  Speaker 5: d C Virginia. So they can get those kids potentially,
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  Speaker 5: potentially they can the ones that are not playing at
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  Speaker 5: they could get those kids in and again maybe even
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  Speaker 5: more well to do families, particularly in the Eastern Panhandle,
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  Speaker 5: can living like that and work in DC and Maryland
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  Speaker 5: in Virginia. Again, I don't have a problem with the
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  Speaker 5: for a model. The problem was is that they made
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  Speaker 5: this They made the formula so convoluted, it's so complex
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  Speaker 5: that it didn't make sense, and they left themselves exposed
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  Speaker 5: to be attacked. What they should have did is just
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  Speaker 5: based off pure robing numbers. Like I said, if you
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  Speaker 5: got four a system far as excuse me, four four
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  Speaker 5: four systems, you can have twenty eight teams a piece
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  Speaker 5: in the conference. So you have twenty eight quads down
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  Speaker 5: and one one would have twenty nine. And I'm saying
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  Speaker 5: you take you take the schools, line them up strictly
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  Speaker 5: based on the Roman numbers, and start cutting them off. Okay,
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  Speaker 5: the top Roman here, that's that's qualita. Then then you
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  Speaker 5: go down the list. So they made this formula in
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  Speaker 5: which they arrived at the systems too complex and then
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  Speaker 5: left it open to be attacked. So it wasn't it
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  Speaker 5: was maybe maybe they thought too much and then when
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  Speaker 5: and then far as the implementation coming down, once you
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  Speaker 5: got those eleven schools, those eleven schools that were that
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  Speaker 5: chose to found the injunction to go back down the class,
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  Speaker 5: then they didn't think that through which we'll talk about that,
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  Speaker 5: and that brings us to the problem that we're out
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  Speaker 5: now right.
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  Speaker 6: I'm just curious.
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  Speaker 7: I mean what I mean, the and junks have been
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  Speaker 7: flying since August, I mean basically basically. So, So my
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  Speaker 7: curiosity is do other states with high school football have
• 18:11
  Speaker 7: these type of issues? I mean, is this a common
• 18:15
  Speaker 7: thing that happens like in Ohio and Kentucky and Georgia
• 18:19
  Speaker 7: anywhere that they have high school football play?
• 18:21
  Speaker 3: Do they?
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  Speaker 7: Is it because we've made our system so complex and
• 18:25
  Speaker 7: so just ridiculous? Really, I mean a layman cannot understand this.
• 18:30
  Speaker 7: I can barely understand it. There are points of it
• 18:32
  Speaker 7: I still don't understand. So have we made it so
• 18:35
  Speaker 7: complex that the teams don't really understand what's going on?
• 18:39
  Speaker 6: And when they see things changing right.
• 18:41
  Speaker 7: Before the playoffs and they think they're going to the
• 18:43
  Speaker 7: playoffs and then all of a sudden, no, you're not.
• 18:45
  Speaker 7: You know, the point system is deemed this the way
• 18:47
  Speaker 7: we're going to go. This unjunction says this. I'm just curious.
• 18:51
  Speaker 7: Do other states have these same problems that we're facing
• 18:55
  Speaker 7: in West Virginia. They have the same systems, right, quad A,
• 18:58
  Speaker 7: triple A Like like you said, that's what we're trying
• 19:01
  Speaker 7: to do get to their level do they experience this.
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  Speaker 5: If they do, and I'm like you, Hollis, I'm going
• 20:44
  Speaker 5: to assume the list they do. But they don't have
• 20:47
  Speaker 5: it now.
• 20:49
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a good point. They're not having it. Yeah,
• 20:53
  Speaker 3: that's not a good point. Yeah, they're not having that.
• 20:55
  Speaker 6: Maybe for the season it started, yes, like we did.
• 20:58
  Speaker 5: They're going to finish the season, start that up right
• 21:01
  Speaker 5: as soon as the end of the season.
• 21:03
  Speaker 7: And all that kind of judge kind of thing is
• 21:06
  Speaker 7: that does a judge and you should know this right
• 21:09
  Speaker 7: because you're you're a lawyer, and so judge, do judges
• 21:15
  Speaker 7: have the right to say.
• 21:16
  Speaker 6: We're gonna put this off. We're gonna put this on
• 21:18
  Speaker 6: hold after the playoffs. So why so are they?
• 21:20
  Speaker 7: Are they worried about their their status and their county?
• 21:24
  Speaker 7: Maybe is that why they're listening to these injunctions and
• 21:26
  Speaker 7: following three right before the playoffs.
• 21:27
  Speaker 6: I mean, this is a a toutly different conversation that
• 21:30
  Speaker 6: I'm curious.
• 21:31
  Speaker 5: But but I think what happens is that generally, if
• 21:34
  Speaker 5: a if A, if the case is brought before the court,
• 21:36
  Speaker 5: they're not necessarily like doing it that day, particularly I'm
• 21:39
  Speaker 5: going to the Circuit quarter, right, Supreme Court. Generally, like
• 21:42
  Speaker 5: on the Doctor, urgence we have but but it's happening now.
• 21:45
  Speaker 5: So generally because on the Doctor, we have time to
• 21:47
  Speaker 5: research and do all these things. So I would imagine
• 21:50
  Speaker 5: just the week it's going to allow the court to
• 21:52
  Speaker 5: do due diligence as far as research and make sure
• 21:54
  Speaker 5: they arrive at the right decision. I think what Lisa
• 21:56
  Speaker 5: is asking is if I'm if I'm not mistaken, is
• 21:59
  Speaker 5: is why did this have to happen now? Why could
• 22:02
  Speaker 5: we have waited until after the playoffs? Because the thing
• 22:06
  Speaker 5: is if we waited that those those teams wouldn't have
• 22:09
  Speaker 5: been able to make the better. They're arguing whether they
• 22:11
  Speaker 5: want to make the playoffs because you got winning teams
• 22:13
  Speaker 5: who have winning records. From what they say, that's that's
• 22:17
  Speaker 5: out the playoffs. Now with the Wood County injunction, and
• 22:20
  Speaker 5: let'sten and before we go there, let's talk about this.
• 22:23
  Speaker 5: When you had the eleven teams, so you had the
• 22:26
  Speaker 5: eleven teams that were in double A, excuse me, quade
• 22:28
  Speaker 5: and Triple A mostly that that wanted to get bumped
• 22:31
  Speaker 5: down in the beginning to August. What should have happened
• 22:34
  Speaker 5: then is that you need a conference realignment at that point,
• 22:38
  Speaker 5: because that's why we're here. Because again you have teams
• 22:42
  Speaker 5: like a Saint Albans who are Triple A capital is
• 22:45
  Speaker 5: Triple A, that are basically a four A conference and
• 22:48
  Speaker 5: you have to play so many conference games. You gotta
• 22:51
  Speaker 5: play your conference. So basically they're playing a four A
• 22:53
  Speaker 5: schedule getting there, getting beat bad again, not creative, competitive
• 22:58
  Speaker 5: about violence, getting And then now when it comes to
• 23:01
  Speaker 5: the points system, which we can go over if you
• 23:03
  Speaker 5: want to, they rack up the points because they played
• 23:06
  Speaker 5: these schedule versus a team who maybe have a winning
• 23:09
  Speaker 5: record that played a lower schedule, and and so it's
• 23:12
  Speaker 5: like the whole again, implementation of this was not thoroughly
• 23:16
  Speaker 5: thought out.
• 23:16
  Speaker 6: Well, the point systems flawed. I'm just gonna put it
• 23:19
  Speaker 6: out for.
• 23:22
  Speaker 3: Sure. But all of this is all too all. This
• 23:27
  Speaker 3: was all too late.
• 23:28
  Speaker 5: You didn't have There's just just there just wasn't There
• 23:31
  Speaker 5: just wasn't enough time to make these changes, no matter
• 23:35
  Speaker 5: who wanted to make them, why they wanted to make them,
• 23:38
  Speaker 5: it just wasn't enough time to make this massive change
• 23:44
  Speaker 5: of And and again to your point about realignment, I'm
• 23:50
  Speaker 5: gonna say that, in a sense, the four A in
• 23:54
  Speaker 5: their mind was their realignment. The eleven junctions happen, yes,
• 24:01
  Speaker 5: because you can't get you can't have a Saint Aubans
• 24:05
  Speaker 5: in Capital basically in a conference surrounded by four a's
• 24:09
  Speaker 5: because they have to play those teams. Absolutely so again,
• 24:11
  Speaker 5: and your schedules already said, your schedules already set, and
• 24:15
  Speaker 5: the majority of those teams are are now four A teams.
• 24:19
  Speaker 3: So whether you go down back down the triple A,
• 24:22
  Speaker 3: your your your massive schedule is four A.
• 24:25
  Speaker 5: So what should have happened is that once you had
• 24:27
  Speaker 5: those eleven teams flip, then it should have probably been
• 24:31
  Speaker 5: even a WVSSA could have maybe had an injunction and say, hey,
• 24:33
  Speaker 5: look all right, we messed it up. We screwed it up.
• 24:36
  Speaker 5: Let's go go back to the old formula that we're
• 24:38
  Speaker 5: gonna go back to the triple A. Excuse me, triple
• 24:40
  Speaker 5: A down a single A, and then we're gonna try
• 24:41
  Speaker 5: again this next year because that threw everything off, and
• 24:45
  Speaker 5: that's why we're here.
• 24:46
  Speaker 7: And how long did did the teams have I mean,
• 24:50
  Speaker 7: when they started talking reclassification. Was it just something that happened,
• 24:53
  Speaker 7: like within the course of twelve months, or was it
• 24:57
  Speaker 7: something that we've been talking about for a few years.
• 24:59
  Speaker 7: Because what you're saying is, you know, their schedules needed
• 25:03
  Speaker 7: to change. Schedules needed to change.
• 25:05
  Speaker 6: They needed time to do that.
• 25:06
  Speaker 3: You can't change the skin, and they.
• 25:07
  Speaker 5: Did not have time when when that hit, right, okay,
• 25:11
  Speaker 5: there was no time to change. The schedules were already there.
• 25:15
  Speaker 6: Was no warning, is what I was saying.
• 25:17
  Speaker 3: But the injunctions, I guess you could say that's the warning.
• 25:20
  Speaker 3: That may be the only that might be the only thing.
• 25:24
  Speaker 3: But your schedules already set, right, and so where imagine change.
• 25:32
  Speaker 5: Imagine a single A team that had picked up maybe
• 25:35
  Speaker 5: like a triple A team to play right as a
• 25:39
  Speaker 5: as a out of conference game, they could find themselves
• 25:42
  Speaker 5: playing a ton of teams that went up, that that
• 25:48
  Speaker 5: was moved up. You're playing out of your out of
• 25:52
  Speaker 5: your rank.
• 25:52
  Speaker 3: And here's my point, points, and here's my point.
• 25:56
  Speaker 5: When you had those eleven teams flip and now you
• 26:00
  Speaker 5: when you when you realize I only have sixteen quad
• 26:04
  Speaker 5: eight schools at that point, you should have said to yourself.
• 26:08
  Speaker 5: For somebody in the organization that says, a hold up,
• 26:10
  Speaker 5: let's okay, we're gonna scrap all this right, we're gonna
• 26:12
  Speaker 5: go back to the o flom and we're gonna put
• 26:14
  Speaker 5: everything back because now you have a two and eight
• 26:18
  Speaker 5: Hedgesville team that's making the playoffs.
• 26:20
  Speaker 3: And and again not to hate, but be doing nothing
• 26:24
  Speaker 3: but regroup.
• 26:25
  Speaker 5: It makes it is everybody makes or you know, everybody
• 26:30
  Speaker 5: make it, or maybe you got some wins disqualified as
• 26:32
  Speaker 5: summer something to that effect. But if you're two and eight,
• 26:34
  Speaker 5: legitimately you don't need to be there. You're gonna get
• 26:37
  Speaker 5: players hurt, and it's just you don't need to you
• 26:40
  Speaker 5: need to cause again, we've suffered those two in eight,
• 26:43
  Speaker 5: one and nine seasons, right and you know by the
• 26:45
  Speaker 5: end of that man mentally physically you've done. You can't
• 26:50
  Speaker 5: if if you haven't played sports, and if you specifically
• 26:54
  Speaker 5: had not played football, and know what going through a
• 26:57
  Speaker 5: losing season is like, getting beat up and getting beat
• 27:00
  Speaker 5: up weekend and week I trust me, I know that
• 27:03
  Speaker 5: I got that for four years at Marshall, and I
• 27:05
  Speaker 5: can tell you it is not pleasant. By by that
• 27:08
  Speaker 5: game ten, by that game eleven, Bro, you're done and
• 27:11
  Speaker 5: you you're trying to rethink, you trying to rethink football
• 27:15
  Speaker 5: as a whole, you're rethinking yourself.
• 27:16
  Speaker 3: You're football.
• 27:19
  Speaker 9: Like choice.
• 27:20
  Speaker 3: And when you're two and eight and you're making That's
• 27:22
  Speaker 3: what I'm saying.
• 27:22
  Speaker 5: So when you're down to sixteen teams at that point,
• 27:25
  Speaker 5: that didn't prompt you to say, look all right, look
• 27:27
  Speaker 5: we tried it, we messed up. We're gonna do this again.
• 27:31
  Speaker 5: We're gonna and so I'm saying again, and we're gonna
• 27:33
  Speaker 5: talk about where we're at now. But I'm saying from
• 27:36
  Speaker 5: the very beginning, warning, come before destruction. So you was
• 27:39
  Speaker 5: warrant then and it wasn't working then, so it should
• 27:42
  Speaker 5: have been eliminated. Then it's gone back.
• 27:46
  Speaker 6: Right up. Yes, I agree, well.
• 27:48
  Speaker 3: Let me let me do this.
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  Speaker 3: All right, so.
• 28:27
  Speaker 5: You're gonna go with the point system right quick? Yes, okay, okay, yes,
• 28:30
  Speaker 5: we can do that, all right. So again, so I'm
• 28:33
  Speaker 5: looking at it right now. This is directly from the
• 28:35
  Speaker 5: wv SSAC website. So again, you have the four class system.
• 28:41
  Speaker 5: So we'll just take four A for example, before A.
• 28:44
  Speaker 5: If you get a win against a four eighteen, that's
• 28:46
  Speaker 5: fifteen points. If you play a four eighteen, that's seven
• 28:50
  Speaker 5: point five points. For each game, one by a defeated
• 28:53
  Speaker 5: opponent that's one point. So if you beat Cabo Milan
• 28:57
  Speaker 5: and the Cabal Midland picks up a win, you get
• 28:59
  Speaker 5: a point for their win. All right, So for each
• 29:02
  Speaker 5: game tie by defeated opponent, that's a half a point.
• 29:06
  Speaker 5: So if Cavil Miller ties somebody, you get a half
• 29:09
  Speaker 5: a point. So for each game one by a tie
• 29:12
  Speaker 5: the opponent, that's half a point. So if you tie
• 29:14
  Speaker 5: an theponent and then they win a game, you get
• 29:16
  Speaker 5: a half a point. Look at y'all for each game
• 29:19
  Speaker 5: tied by look look at this one. For each game
• 29:22
  Speaker 5: tied by a tied opponent, you get a quarter point.
• 29:27
  Speaker 5: So if I tie Cavia Million, So if I tie
• 29:31
  Speaker 5: Cable Milon and then Cavil Miller goes out and ties
• 29:33
  Speaker 5: Spring Valley, then I get a quarter point.
• 29:36
  Speaker 3: All right.
• 29:36
  Speaker 5: For each game won by a winning opponent in a
• 29:38
  Speaker 5: class or in this class or above, you get a
• 29:41
  Speaker 5: one point five. So if I'm a triple A team,
• 29:43
  Speaker 5: I play a quad A team that quad A team
• 29:46
  Speaker 5: wins a game, I get a point and a half.
• 29:48
  Speaker 5: So for each game tie by winning opponent in a
• 29:51
  Speaker 5: class or above, you get seven point five. So if
• 29:53
  Speaker 5: you if you play it up in that team, you
• 29:55
  Speaker 5: beat that team and they tied an opponent, you get
• 29:58
  Speaker 5: a three quarters of a point.
• 30:00
  Speaker 6: My officially hurts right now.
• 30:02
  Speaker 3: So that's the point system.
• 30:04
  Speaker 5: So any anybody listeners, if you if you understand that
• 30:10
  Speaker 5: my head is off to you, we're gonna post it
• 30:12
  Speaker 5: on your face.
• 30:14
  Speaker 3: We we need we need you.
• 30:16
  Speaker 5: If you got that, Okay, if you heard that and
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  Speaker 5: because I'm just telling you my brain, Yeah, I need
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• 30:35
  Speaker 6: Here's the thing, though, hollis this is this has been
• 30:37
  Speaker 6: in place for years. This is not new, Like I
• 30:41
  Speaker 6: guess it's new to me. I didn't realize it's totally.
• 30:44
  Speaker 5: New to me, okay, because I was I was somewhere
• 30:46
  Speaker 5: else in this. My question is is who's one? Why
• 30:52
  Speaker 5: is that the process? Like like if you came in
• 30:56
  Speaker 5: and you let's just say you were, you took over
• 30:59
  Speaker 5: the department, okay, W S S A C. Okay, you
• 31:01
  Speaker 5: take you took it over, and that's your that's how
• 31:04
  Speaker 5: you measure the process.
• 31:08
  Speaker 3: When would you change that?
• 31:09
  Speaker 5: I would now change and I'll tell you why, because again,
• 31:14
  Speaker 5: outside of it being a little like it's a little
• 31:16
  Speaker 5: convoluted and everything. But what in essence, here's what it does. Simply,
• 31:21
  Speaker 5: it rewards you for playing the best competition possible. So
• 31:25
  Speaker 5: it rewards you for playing up, and it rewards you
• 31:29
  Speaker 5: for playing the best competition. We look at uh Fairmunt
• 31:33
  Speaker 5: East Rights the last couple of years, they were a
• 31:36
  Speaker 5: double A school, right, they essentially what they did they
• 31:40
  Speaker 5: played a triple A schedule.
• 31:43
  Speaker 3: Now going into the.
• 31:44
  Speaker 5: Playoffs, going at the end of the season, they like
• 31:46
  Speaker 5: six and four, five and five ish, But because they
• 31:49
  Speaker 5: had racked up so much point, because they played up
• 31:52
  Speaker 5: and got some wins, they're seeding in the Double A
• 31:55
  Speaker 5: playoffs was hot and they end up winning the championship
• 31:57
  Speaker 5: that year. So, in essence, what this point system allows
• 32:01
  Speaker 5: you to do if you play the best teams possible
• 32:03
  Speaker 5: and if you play up.
• 32:04
  Speaker 3: So the motivation what.
• 32:05
  Speaker 5: You're saying, the motivation, what you what you're reading into
• 32:09
  Speaker 5: that is the motivation of playing up, playing playing up
• 32:13
  Speaker 5: and playing the best, playing the best competition. So Martin's,
• 32:16
  Speaker 5: for example, a Hurricane playing Martins burd this year, that
• 32:19
  Speaker 5: that that's not a game that you have to play.
• 32:21
  Speaker 5: Probably that's the game maybe you don't want to play
• 32:23
  Speaker 5: in the regular season, but because they played that game,
• 32:26
  Speaker 5: they get they get more points of playing that game,
• 32:28
  Speaker 5: they'll get a pointed two up, so it rewards you
• 32:31
  Speaker 5: for that. So that's why I think it's a good system.
• 32:33
  Speaker 7: But it's also the reason we're in the mess that
• 32:35
  Speaker 7: we're in right now, and we've got losing records going
• 32:39
  Speaker 7: to possibly going to the playoffs because of the point system.
• 32:42
  Speaker 5: No, the point system is is just the point system.
• 32:45
  Speaker 5: The reason we're in the message because the realignment, the
• 32:49
  Speaker 5: Class A and the eleven schools dropping down.
• 32:52
  Speaker 7: But honestly, don't you think that the team's in quad A,
• 32:56
  Speaker 7: triple A, double A single, they should be playing each
• 32:58
  Speaker 7: other possible, and then that should be what's going on,
• 33:02
  Speaker 7: not not just trying to brack up points and playing
• 33:06
  Speaker 7: above your class.
• 33:07
  Speaker 5: Yeah, because the person who's gonna be strategued, that's gonna
• 33:11
  Speaker 5: be strategic about that, and it's gonna do that solely
• 33:15
  Speaker 5: for the opportunity to get into the playoffs.
• 33:17
  Speaker 3: But here's it, But that's not it.
• 33:19
  Speaker 5: What happened though, is that if we had a if
• 33:21
  Speaker 5: this isn't what wasn't here, and we're saying we're just
• 33:23
  Speaker 5: basing it off record. What what's going to happen is
• 33:26
  Speaker 5: that you're gonna have a Quada team that's gonna play
• 33:28
  Speaker 5: the conference games that they're mandated to play, and then
• 33:31
  Speaker 5: they would just play down just to say, okay, then
• 33:34
  Speaker 5: I'm seven to three. But you can you can, you
• 33:37
  Speaker 5: can easily fix that and we'll talk about well, we'll
• 33:40
  Speaker 5: talk about that as soon as we come out of
• 33:41
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• 33:42
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  Speaker 4: Now back to the conversation.
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  Speaker 3: All right, ladies and gentlemen, we're back and uh and Hollis.
• 34:52
  Speaker 5: Has has kind of dropped the bomb a little bit
• 34:56
  Speaker 5: on this. Why this is a good system, I understand totally.
• 35:00
  Speaker 5: It makes sense some of it it does what it
• 35:03
  Speaker 5: totally makes sense. Like I said, the rewards you for
• 35:06
  Speaker 5: playing the best competition possible.
• 35:08
  Speaker 7: I'm gonna go with you, Hollis on the part about
• 35:10
  Speaker 7: getting points if you you know, for winning against a
• 35:14
  Speaker 7: for a team. Okay, you get so many points for
• 35:17
  Speaker 7: tying against the four A team in your triple A
• 35:19
  Speaker 7: or whatever. But then we're getting into for each game
• 35:23
  Speaker 7: tied by a tied opponent, for each game won by
• 35:27
  Speaker 7: a winning opponent in its class, or above, for each
• 35:29
  Speaker 7: game tied by winning.
• 35:31
  Speaker 6: Opponent in it's class. I mean some of this stuff
• 35:33
  Speaker 6: is very complex for high school football. I mean, I
• 35:38
  Speaker 6: can see a point system to a degree, but not
• 35:41
  Speaker 6: what they've got in place here.
• 35:42
  Speaker 3: Is there not a system because they're not a system
• 35:46
  Speaker 3: or somewhere else.
• 35:49
  Speaker 5: I mean, I understand that, I understand that, and I
• 35:55
  Speaker 5: don't know as a fact that what I'm getting ready
• 35:59
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• 36:03
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  Speaker 5: I'm gonna make the case here that the structure in
• 37:10
  Speaker 5: how you how you get to playoffs, how you do
• 37:15
  Speaker 5: those types of things, there is a system set up somewhere,
• 37:21
  Speaker 5: whether it's collegiate, whether it's professional, that you can you
• 37:26
  Speaker 5: can follow that does not require tidd.
• 37:32
  Speaker 3: And there's no reason.
• 37:32
  Speaker 5: But there's no reason for that complication unless you want
• 37:36
  Speaker 5: people to be confused.
• 37:37
  Speaker 3: But here's the thing.
• 37:38
  Speaker 5: You're only talking about an eight point scale, so we're
• 37:40
  Speaker 5: only taking eight factors into this. And and again, not
• 37:43
  Speaker 5: only does it reward your your team for playing the
• 37:46
  Speaker 5: best competition, but it also has a cyclical effect where
• 37:49
  Speaker 5: it's saying that not only should I be playing, but
• 37:52
  Speaker 5: you should be playing too. So basically it's saying that
• 37:55
  Speaker 5: we all got to play the best competition that we
• 37:59
  Speaker 5: all can play, So I can't play the best competition.
• 38:03
  Speaker 5: And then you play sorry competition, but I won't say
• 38:06
  Speaker 5: I will say lower competent.
• 38:07
  Speaker 3: I won't say.
• 38:08
  Speaker 8: So.
• 38:09
  Speaker 5: So it creates a situation in which everybody got to
• 38:12
  Speaker 5: play every got to play the best out there.
• 38:14
  Speaker 7: Okay, And and that makes sense at the college level
• 38:16
  Speaker 7: because there's so many college programs to choose from. In
• 38:21
  Speaker 7: high school, there's there, it's a very limited amount of teams,
• 38:25
  Speaker 7: and so it's up to Martinsburg who they want to play. Basically,
• 38:28
  Speaker 7: I mean that they're they're the they're the cream of
• 38:30
  Speaker 7: the cross and so you know, you've got your double A,
• 38:33
  Speaker 7: triple A. Even as a team that wants to play them,
• 38:35
  Speaker 7: they may not possibly be able to play them just
• 38:37
  Speaker 7: because everybody wants to play them.
• 38:39
  Speaker 6: You see what I'm trying.
• 38:40
  Speaker 5: That's why. That's why Martin Berger and the Hurricane they
• 38:43
  Speaker 5: have those out of town games, and there's a form
• 38:44
  Speaker 5: there's a whole different formula for that.
• 38:46
  Speaker 3: So that's why.
• 38:48
  Speaker 5: So they play they play that good because again Martin
• 38:50
  Speaker 5: Burger play the Virginia Champs and DC and Maryland Champs
• 38:53
  Speaker 5: and all that, So that's why they play those games
• 38:55
  Speaker 5: as well. See but see, there's no but but there's
• 38:58
  Speaker 5: to me, what I think how I see it. So
• 39:04
  Speaker 5: this conference, this conference, this conference, that conference. Right, so
• 39:08
  Speaker 5: you you play your your conference teams, say there's eight
• 39:13
  Speaker 5: of them, Okay. Then now your next two teams, you
• 39:18
  Speaker 5: could play whoever you want, whoever you can, whoever you can, right,
• 39:24
  Speaker 5: you know, whoever you can, whoever wants to play you.
• 39:27
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 39:28
  Speaker 5: Now for those two games, you can choose to play up.
• 39:33
  Speaker 5: You can choose to play damn well not because what matters.
• 39:39
  Speaker 5: First thing that matters is is your conference. But here's
• 39:42
  Speaker 5: the problem with that.
• 39:44
  Speaker 3: The problem with that.
• 39:45
  Speaker 5: If you did it that way, then essentially I could
• 39:47
  Speaker 5: go four and for of my conference, I could play
• 39:50
  Speaker 5: two lower level teams, and I can go six. Now
• 39:52
  Speaker 5: six and now I'm six and four. Now it appears
• 39:54
  Speaker 5: I had a good reason. What's gonna matter. What's gonna
• 39:56
  Speaker 5: matter is gonna be. The first thing that matters is
• 39:58
  Speaker 5: your conference record. The conference record matter. But let's say
• 40:01
  Speaker 5: everybody was kind of middle of the road, or this
• 40:03
  Speaker 5: conference maybe wasn't this good. So now I'm getting in
• 40:06
  Speaker 5: and I played two lower teams, or or if everything
• 40:10
  Speaker 5: is up and maybe I'm seven and three or six
• 40:12
  Speaker 5: and four. Now I don't even make the playoffs with
• 40:14
  Speaker 5: a winning record because I would and play those those
• 40:17
  Speaker 5: those lower.
• 40:18
  Speaker 6: Two teams that way.
• 40:20
  Speaker 5: So what I'm saying is that I think this system
• 40:22
  Speaker 5: foster is an environment where everybody got to play the best. Okay,
• 40:25
  Speaker 5: So so I like this. Okay, so you look at you, okay,
• 40:28
  Speaker 5: and everybody. I'm gonna use ma. I'm gonna use Marshall.
• 40:32
  Speaker 5: I'm gonna use Marshall.
• 40:33
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 40:34
  Speaker 5: People are upset because some people are upset because they
• 40:37
  Speaker 5: they they're Bowl eligible.
• 40:39
  Speaker 3: Okay, how did they get Bowl eligible?
• 40:40
  Speaker 4: Right?
• 40:41
  Speaker 8: That?
• 40:41
  Speaker 3: You know what? What is their record?
• 40:43
  Speaker 5: Their record is not like something in one right or
• 40:46
  Speaker 5: something in no right. But they made the playoffs because
• 40:49
  Speaker 5: the structure is yeah, the boat, yes, so the bowl
• 40:53
  Speaker 5: is what it is. So you get Bowl eligible for
• 40:56
  Speaker 5: this reason. I think it's very simple to.
• 41:00
  Speaker 3: Make what that what the requirement is at the high
• 41:04
  Speaker 3: school level to make the playoffs.
• 41:07
  Speaker 9: You either have to you have to do this, this
• 41:10
  Speaker 9: and that. But that thing that you read out, it's simple.
• 41:15
  Speaker 9: I think I think you too much into it.
• 41:18
  Speaker 3: No, I just don't. I'm just.
• 41:21
  Speaker 5: Because no, I don't get it simple. It is, like
• 41:23
  Speaker 5: I said, a point system. It's basically a point factors that.
• 41:28
  Speaker 6: Don't had a double A single A, but now that
• 41:31
  Speaker 6: we got quad A, it just throws it off.
• 41:34
  Speaker 5: I would succeed. I will succeed that point. I would
• 41:37
  Speaker 5: acknowledge that that because of the current sy that doesn't
• 41:41
  Speaker 5: necessarily because again you only have sixteen teams in the
• 41:45
  Speaker 5: in the quality again, you know you could probably just
• 41:47
  Speaker 5: do that by record, right, you don't need this and that.
• 41:49
  Speaker 5: But I think that makes sense. But at the end
• 41:52
  Speaker 5: of the day, like I said, I think the overall point, now,
• 41:55
  Speaker 5: maybe it can be simplified.
• 41:57
  Speaker 3: Maybe that there's no question that could be simple.
• 41:59
  Speaker 5: Yeah, but I but I think overall I like it
• 42:01
  Speaker 5: because again, Fairmount East was a couple of years ago,
• 42:05
  Speaker 5: they played a whole trip a schedule has a basically
• 42:07
  Speaker 5: a double A school outside of the games of mandated
• 42:09
  Speaker 5: and it made them a better team. How many gus
• 42:12
  Speaker 5: do you know? How many games are mandated to play
• 42:14
  Speaker 5: in conference? It depends on size, and not everybody's conference
• 42:17
  Speaker 5: sizes different, so that's different. So I know they I
• 42:20
  Speaker 5: want to say they played a hunting Ton, Cavill Milland
• 42:23
  Speaker 5: and Spring Valley. I mean they played a murders role.
• 42:27
  Speaker 5: And the good thing about that what I see that
• 42:30
  Speaker 5: as a benefit is I want my team to be
• 42:33
  Speaker 5: tested against some of the best teams.
• 42:35
  Speaker 3: So when I play in my conference, i'm playing I
• 42:39
  Speaker 3: know what playing Huntington is like. I know what playing
• 42:42
  Speaker 3: that team is like. So now I can I can
• 42:45
  Speaker 3: tell them we can play with this team.
• 42:48
  Speaker 5: So now we gave you the points system, I think
• 42:51
  Speaker 5: we gave you kind of the origin and our thoughts
• 42:53
  Speaker 5: basically how this whole problem started. So now we're at
• 42:56
  Speaker 5: the playoffs and just to set it up and we
• 42:59
  Speaker 5: could talk about you had basically two injunctions. You had
• 43:02
  Speaker 5: an injunction in Wood County, you had an injunction in
• 43:05
  Speaker 5: Mason County. Basically the Wood County junction is kind of
• 43:09
  Speaker 5: that's why we went over to the point system because
• 43:10
  Speaker 5: basically challenged the point system and basically they came to
• 43:14
  Speaker 5: the conclusion that it was flawed and it didn't factor
• 43:17
  Speaker 5: in what we just talked about as far as you
• 43:19
  Speaker 5: playing up down whatever like that. So essentially what happens
• 43:23
  Speaker 5: is that you had a school like Saint Albans three
• 43:25
  Speaker 5: and seven, Capital three and seven, because they played basically
• 43:28
  Speaker 5: a four A schedule, then they they.
• 43:30
  Speaker 3: Got them points. They were already that they were.
• 43:33
  Speaker 5: Already in the conference, so it eliminated Point Pleasant in
• 43:36
  Speaker 5: Hampshire County. So basically those teams got dropped out of
• 43:40
  Speaker 5: the Triple A playoffs because of this. And you have
• 43:43
  Speaker 5: some other schools like West Side, Tulsagn Tulsa and I
• 43:46
  Speaker 5: think Wayne as well, and the I think they are
• 43:48
  Speaker 5: Double A. And then you had another injunction after that,
• 43:52
  Speaker 5: so and that junction was successful, so that changed the
• 43:56
  Speaker 5: playoff structure. Then you had another injunction in Mason County
• 44:00
  Speaker 5: and basically what that injunction stated was that there needed
• 44:03
  Speaker 5: to be a playing game.
• 44:04
  Speaker 3: So essentially the two teams teams.
• 44:06
  Speaker 5: That got dropped out of Triple A, which was Point
• 44:08
  Speaker 5: Pleasant in Hampshire County, they wanted a playing game. So
• 44:11
  Speaker 5: I think it would be Point Pleasant versus Capital in
• 44:15
  Speaker 5: Hampshire versus Saint Alban's, so those would be the two
• 44:18
  Speaker 5: playing games that then you would actually start the playoffs.
• 44:20
  Speaker 3: That injunction was successful.
• 44:22
  Speaker 5: So now the WV SASAC came back and they took
• 44:26
  Speaker 5: it to the Supreme Court to drop those two injection
• 44:29
  Speaker 5: injunctions and take it back to just the original playoffs.
• 44:33
  Speaker 5: That was a couple of weeks ago, So that's a
• 44:35
  Speaker 5: mouthful so this is why it's at the Supreme Court now,
• 44:40
  Speaker 5: and this is why we have the postponement.
• 44:43
  Speaker 6: And we also had I think, did you something about
• 44:46
  Speaker 6: Wyoming County?
• 44:47
  Speaker 3: I didn't. I must have missed out. I didn't see
• 44:49
  Speaker 3: that one.
• 44:49
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I found Wyoming Counties also filed another lawsuit for Westside,
• 44:54
  Speaker 7: which was one of the schools that was bumped from the.
• 44:58
  Speaker 6: From the injunction granted in Wood Counties. So they're upset.
• 45:00
  Speaker 7: They want relief from the injunctions, which I take that
• 45:04
  Speaker 7: as they just want to go relief.
• 45:06
  Speaker 6: I don't know.
• 45:06
  Speaker 7: I think that's what too many maybe or just you know,
• 45:10
  Speaker 7: go back to just get rid of all the injunctions,
• 45:12
  Speaker 7: is what it sounds like to me. Uh And and
• 45:16
  Speaker 7: so then there was Yeah, so that was the only
• 45:18
  Speaker 7: one that I think that I heard, Oh in Tulsa,
• 45:20
  Speaker 7: you said that one, though, I think that was just
• 45:22
  Speaker 7: recent like today.
• 45:23
  Speaker 6: So it's a mess.
• 45:24
  Speaker 3: And my question is how do you how do you
• 45:31
  Speaker 3: go through a season, get to the week of playoffs.
• 45:39
  Speaker 5: And don't play I mean, I much as far as
• 45:44
  Speaker 5: the postponement, yes, well, I mean it's a court process. Now,
• 45:47
  Speaker 5: I know this time, I know, I totally understand that
• 45:50
  Speaker 5: get I get that. My question, my thought, my comment
• 45:55
  Speaker 5: to this is, imagine, imagine you, imagine you, imagine me.
• 46:02
  Speaker 5: You're the week of the playoffs and you're not playing
• 46:06
  Speaker 5: you you you by Tuesday, you know you're not You're
• 46:11
  Speaker 5: not gonna play a game on on on Friday night.
• 46:13
  Speaker 3: This is a great advantage. This is the ultimate page.
• 46:18
  Speaker 3: If you.
• 46:20
  Speaker 5: Got players that are hurting, now here's because it's gonna
• 46:24
  Speaker 5: be two weeks, so it has to be two weeks
• 46:26
  Speaker 5: that you're going to sit, right, So for this week,
• 46:29
  Speaker 5: I can get players held up, I can rest them.
• 46:32
  Speaker 5: And again that may be that's different from team the team,
• 46:35
  Speaker 5: because some teams you need them just to go and
• 46:37
  Speaker 5: the other guys. The other part of that is you
• 46:38
  Speaker 5: got other sports, and you got other sports, and that's
• 46:40
  Speaker 5: that's a problem too. But I think the playoffs is
• 46:42
  Speaker 5: gonna take precedent and you I think, particularly depending on
• 46:48
  Speaker 5: where you're at, you probably have an idea of who
• 46:51
  Speaker 5: you might end up playing. So you probably got maybe
• 46:52
  Speaker 5: one of maybe three teams right, So it's going to
• 46:55
  Speaker 5: give you more time to develop scouting reports on these teams,
• 46:57
  Speaker 5: and it can get players held up if you are injured. Team,
• 47:00
  Speaker 5: So if you're like Noah, Villa, Tommy and Hurricane who
• 47:02
  Speaker 5: has a bum ancho right now? And you out you
• 47:05
  Speaker 5: can sit for two weeks? Boy, that that helps you.
• 47:08
  Speaker 5: So I think it can be an advantage too, and
• 47:11
  Speaker 5: so again to somebody's in advantage, disadvantage to somebody.
• 47:17
  Speaker 3: Oneredent, you know. So I look at this and I
• 47:22
  Speaker 3: just I just can't. There's no way I can like it.
• 47:25
  Speaker 5: There's just no there's just zero chances for me to
• 47:28
  Speaker 5: find something that's justifiable here that makes sense to me, like.
• 47:32
  Speaker 3: Oh, this works. So let me ask your opinion on this.
• 47:36
  Speaker 3: Now that's both of you. What is the court? Do remember?
• 47:38
  Speaker 5: We got we got basically three lingering injunctions hanging around,
• 47:42
  Speaker 5: and we got obviously they in WVS says he wants
• 47:46
  Speaker 5: to take it back to the original format.
• 47:48
  Speaker 3: So so what what what happens?
• 47:50
  Speaker 5: I think it's going to go back to the original
• 47:52
  Speaker 5: format because I don't because I just don't see them
• 47:57
  Speaker 5: being willing to even trying to test something new.
• 48:02
  Speaker 3: Now, let's just go back to what we were doing
• 48:04
  Speaker 3: and and.
• 48:05
  Speaker 6: And then deal with it.
• 48:07
  Speaker 3: Yes, that's that's what that's what.
• 48:10
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I think Carl's right.
• 48:11
  Speaker 7: I mean, I think the playing game would be probably
• 48:15
  Speaker 7: a fair thing to do for those teams that feel
• 48:19
  Speaker 7: like they're being slighted.
• 48:21
  Speaker 6: But I don't know if they'll open that can of worms.
• 48:23
  Speaker 6: I don't.
• 48:24
  Speaker 7: I think what they'll do is just go back to
• 48:26
  Speaker 7: the original, the original plan, and then address it in
• 48:30
  Speaker 7: the off season.
• 48:31
  Speaker 5: See, I think you got to go with the Wood
• 48:33
  Speaker 5: County because the Wood County is exact and correct in
• 48:36
  Speaker 5: the formula. Far as the points laid.
• 48:38
  Speaker 6: Out, those rocked out.
• 48:41
  Speaker 3: So I think again, if you the court.
• 48:43
  Speaker 5: If the court, I'm looking at it, well, I don't
• 48:45
  Speaker 5: necessarily want because I think Mason County has the right idea.
• 48:48
  Speaker 5: I think that's exacting correct, and I think they ought
• 48:50
  Speaker 5: to have the playing games just because it is. But
• 48:53
  Speaker 5: if I'm from the if I'm looking at it from
• 48:55
  Speaker 5: a judicial standpoint, I'm saying, well, I don't want to
• 48:57
  Speaker 5: risk that's kind of unnecessary to have that playing games.
• 49:00
  Speaker 5: So what does the law say? What does the policy say?
• 49:03
  Speaker 5: And the policy say the point system that we just
• 49:05
  Speaker 5: went over. So if I'm the court, I'm looking at
• 49:08
  Speaker 5: the policy, I'm looking at the point system, and I'm saying,
• 49:10
  Speaker 5: if Wood County has exact and correct and this is
• 49:13
  Speaker 5: the formula that you have on based on the policies,
• 49:16
  Speaker 5: based on the systems, based on writing, blah blah blah,
• 49:19
  Speaker 5: blah blah, then you gotta I would probably dismiss Mason
• 49:23
  Speaker 5: County's injunction and Wood Counties will be acknowledged, and that's
• 49:27
  Speaker 5: the ruling I will go with.
• 49:29
  Speaker 3: So, unfortunately, those teams will be out.
• 49:31
  Speaker 7: How long do you think it will take before the
• 49:34
  Speaker 7: West Virginia Supreme Court of Appeals comes out with a ruling.
• 49:36
  Speaker 3: I think it was going to be this week.
• 49:39
  Speaker 6: I would hope so, because.
• 49:40
  Speaker 7: These injunctions happen like within hours, So I would hope
• 49:43
  Speaker 7: that they could resolve this quickly and at least get
• 49:46
  Speaker 7: the play Because here's the other thing we're going to
• 49:48
  Speaker 7: run into with and this is a domino effect whenever
• 49:51
  Speaker 7: you delay the football playoffs and they're going to be
• 49:54
  Speaker 7: hosted here in Charleston this year, the Super Six, and
• 49:59
  Speaker 7: we're looking at at everything being pushed out a week. Well,
• 50:03
  Speaker 7: you've got other events going on in Charleston coming up
• 50:05
  Speaker 7: in the in the next few weeks. You've got, uh
• 50:08
  Speaker 7: the cheerleader competition that's going to take place at the
• 50:10
  Speaker 7: Civic Center of the State cheerleading competition. You also have volleyball,
• 50:14
  Speaker 7: which is being affected by all this at the Girls
• 50:17
  Speaker 7: Volleyball Championships that's all going to be taking place at
• 50:20
  Speaker 7: this you know, around the same time. If they keep
• 50:22
  Speaker 7: pushing it out, you're gonna have issues with accommodations in
• 50:26
  Speaker 7: Charleston having that many people. Like we talked before Hollis,
• 50:30
  Speaker 7: they've got rooms blocked, you know, for for for these
• 50:32
  Speaker 7: teams coming in to.
• 50:34
  Speaker 6: Do the Super six.
• 50:35
  Speaker 7: If you've got events going on with the Civic Center,
• 50:37
  Speaker 7: like Ringling Brothers, you know, the circus is coming to
• 50:40
  Speaker 7: town in the next few weeks. They've got i think
• 50:43
  Speaker 7: trans Iberian Orchestra. You're gonna have an issue with people
• 50:46
  Speaker 7: trying to find accommodations and you know, just exactly so
• 50:52
  Speaker 7: you know, that's the domino effect of all this. So hopefully,
• 50:55
  Speaker 7: like you said, they get this settled quickly and they
• 50:57
  Speaker 7: can get these playoffs going next week or it's going
• 50:59
  Speaker 7: to become even more complicated.
• 51:00
  Speaker 5: And the CVB, I'm sure they had activities and everything
• 51:03
  Speaker 5: planned out for this, the host, the host parties and
• 51:06
  Speaker 5: all that others. Absolutely, you have to assume that everything
• 51:09
  Speaker 5: that was planned, that everything was planned out for this week,
• 51:13
  Speaker 5: for that game to show up, and all of a sudden,
• 51:17
  Speaker 5: everything's changed, everything has changed. I'm thinking that they like,
• 51:23
  Speaker 5: this has to be a day or so conversation.
• 51:27
  Speaker 3: I don't know, man, I know it is a big
• 51:30
  Speaker 3: decision moving forward.
• 51:32
  Speaker 5: I just don't know how long you can wait, Like,
• 51:35
  Speaker 5: you can't put this into a week, You can't, you
• 51:38
  Speaker 5: can't rest. No, you can't, No, you can't it. But
• 51:43
  Speaker 5: but but but but look at what look at what's
• 51:46
  Speaker 5: at stake for every every couple of days that go,
• 51:50
  Speaker 5: you could you can make the positive side of you
• 51:52
  Speaker 5: got rest, you got time to work on a game
• 51:54
  Speaker 5: plan against somebody else.
• 51:56
  Speaker 3: Blah blah blah blah. You got all that. But there's
• 52:00
  Speaker 3: a whole lot of other stuff happening.
• 52:02
  Speaker 4: You know.
• 52:03
  Speaker 5: There's there's there's a kid who's on the team, plays
• 52:07
  Speaker 5: basketball and might be the start of basketball teams practice,
• 52:13
  Speaker 5: get ready to get for the games.
• 52:15
  Speaker 3: All of those kinds of things are all lingering out there.
• 52:18
  Speaker 5: Okay, So let me ask you this, and and I
• 52:21
  Speaker 5: think this is a conversation that a bigger conversation that's
• 52:25
  Speaker 5: definitely a part of what's going on. Because this has
• 52:28
  Speaker 5: been a terrible high school football season for me, like
• 52:30
  Speaker 5: it just hasn't been fun. I really haven't been excited
• 52:32
  Speaker 5: about it just because of particularly paying attention to the
• 52:34
  Speaker 5: for a class, because it's just been you know, everybody's
• 52:37
  Speaker 5: making the playoffs, so there's no suspense, right his football
• 52:42
  Speaker 5: in West Virginia become totally toxic. And I'm talking about
• 52:46
  Speaker 5: not I'm talking about from what you've talked about in
• 52:50
  Speaker 5: the numerable amount of times far as the little league
• 52:52
  Speaker 5: situations that's going on around the state. We've had discussions
• 52:56
  Speaker 5: about the middle school debacles that's happening here at least locally. Obviously,
• 52:59
  Speaker 5: this whole high school thing, and even with w U
• 53:03
  Speaker 5: and and and and and Marshall not being able to
• 53:07
  Speaker 5: be as competitives that we liked just because they're playing
• 53:10
  Speaker 5: in these distant conferences.
• 53:12
  Speaker 3: So so it's football. Just is it on a downhill?
• 53:15
  Speaker 4: Is it?
• 53:15
  Speaker 5: Just?
• 53:16
  Speaker 3: Where are we at with it?
• 53:17
  Speaker 5: I like your word toxic more so than downhill. But
• 53:24
  Speaker 5: the hugest problem that I see from my perspective. And
• 53:30
  Speaker 5: and please take this personally if it's you, Okay, please
• 53:33
  Speaker 5: take it personally, Okay, please please, we've just lost our
• 53:39
  Speaker 5: minds about around football, whether we whether we coach, whether
• 53:45
  Speaker 5: we're fans wherever, wherever you sit that's not on the field,
• 53:51
  Speaker 5: don't have the whistle, don't have the hat. And you're
• 53:56
  Speaker 5: talking about fans to administrat it, all that, all of it,
• 53:59
  Speaker 5: we've just we just lost our mind because we love
• 54:03
  Speaker 5: it so much. There's a there's a there's we love
• 54:05
  Speaker 5: football so much that we don't care about the kids.
• 54:09
  Speaker 3: Yeah, we don't. We don't care about the young kids.
• 54:11
  Speaker 5: We want to win. We and and when I say that,
• 54:16
  Speaker 5: I want my little group of kids to win. I
• 54:19
  Speaker 5: want South Charleston Youth Football to win. But I'm not
• 54:22
  Speaker 5: gonna treat them or nor am I going to go
• 54:25
  Speaker 5: crazy when they lose, Like I want them to have
• 54:29
  Speaker 5: the best experience possible or makeup stuff to just just
• 54:33
  Speaker 5: just make up a whole bunch of stuff, and it
• 54:34
  Speaker 5: just ends up cloud and the whole situation.
• 54:37
  Speaker 3: This is what I know.
• 54:39
  Speaker 5: Mayor Frank Mullins, he supports you sports funds you sports
• 54:45
  Speaker 5: through the South Charleston Rec Center for the sole purpose
• 54:49
  Speaker 5: for kids to have activities, have development, and to have
• 54:55
  Speaker 5: something to do. Yeah, so when they're playing football, when
• 54:59
  Speaker 5: they're playing basketball, when they're doing those kinds of things,
• 55:02
  Speaker 5: they're off the street exactly having fun. I don't want
• 55:06
  Speaker 5: anybody to get in the way of that. I don't
• 55:10
  Speaker 5: want that to turn toxic. Whether it's the coach who's
• 55:15
  Speaker 5: toxic because he wants to win, whether it's the parent
• 55:17
  Speaker 5: who's toxic because she wants her son to play, any
• 55:21
  Speaker 5: of that.
• 55:22
  Speaker 3: I think West.
• 55:23
  Speaker 5: Virginia we've overstepped our bounds in where we think we
• 55:28
  Speaker 5: can be, what we think we can do, what we
• 55:32
  Speaker 5: can control.
• 55:32
  Speaker 7: In the sports spear, we've we've forgotten how to celebrate
• 55:38
  Speaker 7: the small.
• 55:38
  Speaker 3: One, the participation that well just here, like what we were.
• 55:42
  Speaker 7: Talking about earlier with with with coach Hough and this
• 55:45
  Speaker 7: past weekend, whenever Marshall won their game, their away game
• 55:49
  Speaker 7: and became Bowl eligible, and he was celebrating, he was
• 55:52
  Speaker 7: happy and and you know, you were talking about the
• 55:56
  Speaker 7: video that you saw and I think I saw parts
• 55:57
  Speaker 7: of it too, but he was just he was he
• 56:00
  Speaker 7: was genuinely happy for his team that they're going to
• 56:03
  Speaker 7: a bowl.
• 56:03
  Speaker 6: And you've got fans scoffing at it like, well, everybody
• 56:06
  Speaker 6: goes to a bowl, now, you know.
• 56:07
  Speaker 7: I mean, it's not you don't celebrate the small victories.
• 56:11
  Speaker 7: We're not all going to be in that national championship.
• 56:13
  Speaker 9: We're not.
• 56:14
  Speaker 6: We're not that state yet. Well and and and if
• 56:17
  Speaker 6: it ever.
• 56:17
  Speaker 5: Are and and and and not even let don't even
• 56:21
  Speaker 5: make it about our state. Let's just make it about eighteen.
• 56:24
  Speaker 5: If you look at Marshall, forget where they come from,
• 56:27
  Speaker 5: Look forget who.
• 56:28
  Speaker 3: The coach is. Did you see the players?
• 56:31
  Speaker 5: Did you hear the players' voices, how happy they were,
• 56:35
  Speaker 5: how excited they were?
• 56:37
  Speaker 3: Same on you if you're a Marshall fan and you
• 56:40
  Speaker 3: ain't excited?
• 56:41
  Speaker 5: If you, if you if you get that rare peak
• 56:44
  Speaker 5: inside of a locker room that very few people get
• 56:47
  Speaker 5: to at the college level to celebrate the win, right,
• 56:51
  Speaker 5: whether it's the only win you had, or if it's
• 56:54
  Speaker 5: a win that makes you Bowl eligible. And let's just
• 56:57
  Speaker 5: make the case everybody goes to a bowl and but
• 56:59
  Speaker 5: you you just became Bold eligible.
• 57:02
  Speaker 3: How are you supposed to? Good game? Guys? All right,
• 57:05
  Speaker 3: we're Bowl eligible and let's just get ready to go
• 57:07
  Speaker 3: to work next week. Come on, yeah, like, come on,
• 57:10
  Speaker 3: what do you want?
• 57:12
  Speaker 5: And do you think in far as even like what
• 57:15
  Speaker 5: happened is creating this like for a system where we
• 57:19
  Speaker 5: wanted more champions, we wanted more. Do you think that
• 57:22
  Speaker 5: sort of thought process spawned from parents and different things
• 57:27
  Speaker 5: of that, that you're saying, Hey, we can't compete with
• 57:29
  Speaker 5: martin Burg, we need another class so we can have
• 57:31
  Speaker 5: more championship. Do you think that like that sentiment is
• 57:34
  Speaker 5: pervasive even in administrative decisions.
• 57:38
  Speaker 3: I think I think that I think that there is
• 57:41
  Speaker 3: some of that happening, you know, But what I try
• 57:48
  Speaker 3: to it's it's simple, hollis just play right, just play?
• 57:55
  Speaker 5: If I'm not talking about that, I'm saying, do you
• 57:58
  Speaker 5: think that because of the nature of how we're moving
• 58:01
  Speaker 5: as parents and overstepping our bounds as far as wanting
• 58:06
  Speaker 5: to coach our kids in totality, that that that that's
• 58:09
  Speaker 5: kind of leaked into decision makers' minds to say, Okay,
• 58:13
  Speaker 5: now we have to do this because we have to
• 58:15
  Speaker 5: appease everybody, the players, the.
• 58:18
  Speaker 3: Parents, the fans. Oh, I got it.
• 58:20
  Speaker 8: I do.
• 58:21
  Speaker 5: I do think that there is there is this how
• 58:25
  Speaker 5: do we make how do we make it better? How
• 58:27
  Speaker 5: do we make everybody happy? But again, let your kids play?
• 58:34
  Speaker 5: But that's not where we are and that's the problem.
• 58:38
  Speaker 5: That's the problem, whether we want to own it or not.
• 58:41
  Speaker 5: The problem is is you got the dad yelling at
• 58:44
  Speaker 5: the coach over the fence. Yeah, yeah, you're yelling at
• 58:49
  Speaker 5: the officials. You're doing all these kind of crazy stuff
• 58:52
  Speaker 5: that does not create a positive experience for the kid
• 58:58
  Speaker 5: who who might love to play, but gets tired of
• 59:03
  Speaker 5: hearing that dad talk about how bad the coach is
• 59:07
  Speaker 5: on the way home. My dad, they never my dad
• 59:11
  Speaker 5: never said anything negative about a single coach I had,
• 59:15
  Speaker 5: and I ain't win a whole bunch of championships or
• 59:18
  Speaker 5: none of that kind of stuff.
• 59:20
  Speaker 3: Why did he not have anything to say with them?
• 59:22
  Speaker 3: My dad' stop process. It's you, you playing you the guy.
• 59:26
  Speaker 5: But I'm saying, in a modern environment, it's how do
• 59:30
  Speaker 5: you get how do we get around that toxical itself?
• 59:34
  Speaker 5: It has become toxic, very tight because people love the game.
• 59:38
  Speaker 5: They love it and it's only a find out amount,
• 59:40
  Speaker 5: just like basketball when you're playing thirty games, right, so
• 59:44
  Speaker 5: you can take some losses here and there. But I'm saying, like,
• 59:46
  Speaker 5: how do we auto correct? It's like, what's the solution
• 59:49
  Speaker 5: if we don't, If we don't fix you sports, that's
• 59:52
  Speaker 5: a good point. If we don't fix you sports, parents, guardians, friends,
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 5: family are gonna tearing up middle school football.
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 3: And then if you don't fix it there, you'll you'll
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 3: you'll tear up high school.
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 5: It's tore from the floor, and and and and and
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 5: and the reality to that is, don't worry about college
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 5: because it ain't happening.
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 3: When you get to college, you shut off. You are
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 3: shut off. You get nothing.
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 5: But I would even say this about college man, and
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 5: I love Prime. But they asked Prime a question about
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 5: as far as different teams that Shador and Travis Hunter
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 5: would go to, and he was He alluded to the
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 5: fact that he would potentially step in behind the scenes
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 5: and say, hey, don't go here, don't draft him here,
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 5: we go there. So it's like and again he got
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 5: the grace and the talent and the cachet to maybe
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 5: do that, but but we got other people who maybe don't.
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 5: So it's like, it's so it's going from all the ways. Well,
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 5: the question you to the festival, the question where the
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 5: question will be answered in that is really what Prime
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 5: does after this season. But it ain't about Prime. I'm
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 5: not trying to make it about him. I'm saying we
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 5: have parents now who have that same thought presses. Who
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 5: ain't you see what I'm saying, right, they have that
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 5: thought process from Little League all the way up, and
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 5: I don't and and and and at least I think
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 5: part of that is is because they think they need
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 5: to like they need to help the coach to work
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 5: with their kid. You know, now, you football, A lot
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 5: of coaches might have played high school football and that
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 5: that's the max that they play. Some of them may
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 5: not even played high school ball, but but they're out there.
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 5: They're giving their time. If you want to give your
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 5: time and get out there, get come on, but don't
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 5: do it from the bleachers.
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 3: Don't do it from the fence.
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 6: That's and that's where it starts. That's where's the where
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 6: it starts.
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 7: And then I just wanted to add it a point
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 7: back to what you were saying. With the toxic kind
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 7: of feel where we're experienced seen here in West Virginia,
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 7: I think what happens with fans and with with the
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 7: state in general, both w and Marshall fans, is we're
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 7: comparing these newer coaches to the old coaches that were
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 7: in a time that didn't have to deal with nil.
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 7: Those coaches didn't have to deal with the transfer portal.
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 7: They could win because.
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 6: The playing field was a little more even than it
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 6: is now.
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 7: You know, we're not talking about just being able to
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 7: recruit a player because you're a good coach and you
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 7: know the school has has you know, character. Now we're
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 7: talking about how much money are you going to give me?
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 6: What?
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 7: What kind of contracts am I going to sign with
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 7: with if I come to your school? So comparing, you know,
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 7: it's like comparing apples and oranges, the down Neeland's and
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 7: the Bob Prewitz of yesterday that that did have winning
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 7: traditions to the Huffs and the Browns. Because they they're
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 7: in a completely different world.
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 5: That's great that that's probably the point of the subject.
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 6: And fans forget that. I mean, I think we all
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 6: just want to win so badly, and do they remember
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 6: when we did?
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 3: Do they forget or just do they just forget?
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 6: They forget?
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 5: I was gonna say, because I think there could be
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 5: the case that it's not even it's not even really relevant. No,
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 5: they forget, they forgot. As you hear that all the time,
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 5: rich rid Back, I said that bring da Da Da.
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 5: But it's two different environments. I mean, could could you
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 5: imagine what what what would be the chance of Randy
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 5: Moss staying at Marshall within I L no no chance,
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 5: no chance zero and and and and his future is
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 5: not gonna change. But the reality of Marshall's opportunity.
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 6: Would have changed everything.
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 3: Everything.
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 5: And again you got a quarterback. What happened with Pennington?
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 5: Would he had stayed at Marshall?
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 3: No, I mean that team would have been, That team
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 3: would have been. That team was loaded. Yes, it was loaded.
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 3: And so there's no way that with n I L
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 3: they stay there. Yeah.
• 1:04:05
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• 1:04:48
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• 1:04:50
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