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How to Not Suck as a Podcast Guest · Your Mic

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  But not only like listening to it, but also having something to add to the conversation.
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  So knowing that, I can always tell who's listened and who hasn't.
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  I would say to ask the host like knowing me or why we connected like which episode do you think I would like.
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  The feedback that I've gotten from a couple of these critiques is for me to actually interject more.
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  Sometimes only speak like 20% and it needs to be closer to Ford on the host to like make the gas
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  look as best as possible. But in order to do that, you have to share part of yourself.
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  If you want to be a good guest, you have to start off by being a bad guest.
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  Rhina, thank you so much for coming back.
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  Yes. Third time guest, right?
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  Three Pete. All about three Pete's. I don't know that I have any four Pete's, but I brought you here
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  because you've got like a gazillion different podcasts episodes. It's a better called daddy.
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  More specifically, I think you're what? 400 something?
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  Yeah, close to 450.
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  Okay, close to 450. You may know a thing about interviewing guests.
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  And I want to ask you what you think makes the ideal podcast guest for someone in 2026
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  that wants to explore podcast guesting as a strategy.
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  Yeah, that's a great question. I think one thing that makes a great guest is listening to the
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  podcast before you go on it. Guilty of not doing that.
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  It honestly, I feel like compliments the host so much.
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  Yes.
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  If you know who they're interviewing and what they're talking about,
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  and you can help connect some of those dots, like I know that you recently interviewed
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  Chong, and Chong came from Integrity Bank, and both of those episodes have recently aired
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  close to each other.
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  Yeah. Well, in the first time I got called out for not listening, was the last time,
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  and this was back before, this was before speak podcasting was even speak podcasting,
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  and I was promoting one of my books. And so yes, you're right, there are a lot of dots to connect,
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  and it also seems to me, because I'm opportunity to know everything about all this stuff.
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  At least to me, as a guest, you're not caught off guard.
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  So if I am going to be a guest on Better Call Daddy, which I was a guest on Better Call Daddy,
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  but if you and I didn't know each other, if we were not friends, and I got a cold invite
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  to be on your show, I'm like, yeah, I'll do it. But then I just show up on, I show up at the
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  interview, not knowing anything about you. Well, I'm leaving myself susceptible to a lightning
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  round of questions that might go awry if I'm not prepared. If I don't have 45 minutes to an hour
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  to spend with you, and I think that it's only going to be 20 or 30 minutes, then I'm going to be
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  at least a half an hour late to my next appointment if I'm back to back booked. If I don't even know
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  what you look like, if I don't know what format the show is, like if I see Better Call Daddy,
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  and I think it's a parenting podcast, but I'm talking about something. There are a lot of things
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  that, back to your original point, a lot of dots get connected by simply listening to at least one
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  or two episodes. Yeah, so you might show up with your parenting tips instead of your podcasting tips,
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  although they both kind of apply. But not only like listening to it, but also having something
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  to add to the conversation. And another thing that makes a great guest is like knowing that
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  they may have covered a topic, and you have knowledge about that topic, or they may have not
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  covered a topic, but it's similar to the theme of their show. Like, I interview Daddy's girls and
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  inspirational dads, and anybody with a good daddy story, and you yourself are a dad. So it's like
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  coming with a good daddy story, or having a question for my dad because at the end of most episodes,
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  my dad reflects on the episode, but a lot of times, if guests have listened, they know that they
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  can have a question for my dad to answer. So knowing that, I can always tell who's listened to
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  and who hasn't, because if you haven't, they're just like, oh, you know, how did your dad make
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  such a nice daughter like you? And it's a nice compliment, but it's like thinking quick on your
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  feet, but the guests that come with a thoughtful question, I love that. So that makes you like a
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  10 star guest. 10 star guest is to really do the homework. What are your thoughts on, okay, well,
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  I don't have time to join the XYZ podcast, or I don't have time to listen to a whole series of
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  XYZ podcast episodes, but what if I just frolic between 10, 20 minutes here and there for like,
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  I don't know, three or four episodes as opposed to listening to three or four entire one hour episodes?
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  So I would say, I would say to ask the host like knowing me or why we connected like which episode do
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  you think I would like or what's one that you've done recently that stood out? Or do you want to
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  learn something? Do you want to be entertained? So a lot of times for me, I send the Jerry Springer
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  episode because my career started there and people remember that about me and I was fortunate enough
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  to get to interview him. So I'm like episode 210 start there. If you want to know about podcasting,
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  I had a conversation with another podcaster vibes by Alicia and she talked about, you know,
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  podcasting as a business and I talked about podcasting as a business and we're both mom
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  preneurs doing that and we compared notes of how we would start a podcast and what we think about
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  in the first 50 episodes. So a lot of times people reach out to me and they're like, how do I do this?
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  How do I start a podcast? And I'm like, you know what? Start with this episode and we kind of talk
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  about we're both podcasters, we talk about our star, we compare notes and we talk about what you
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  should think about in the first 50. So I have that kind of by memory is a good one. And then also
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  I always believe like you're as good as your most recent episode. Oh my goodness, yes.
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  Yes, yes. So if you want to start somewhere and you want to know what someone's up to,
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  see what they've most recently released. So that would kind of be how I would send episodes to
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  someone, you know, where you started in your career, like kind of a career high that you've had.
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  I have such a big amount of people reach out and like they want to do it themselves. I've got to
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  do it yourself. Here's how you can do it yourself episode. And then if you want to know it, I'm
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  up to lately listen to the latest. Right. Right. So let's go back to Jerry Springer.
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  Everyone who listens to this show knows by now that you were a producer for Jerry Springer,
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  also nanny nine one one. Yeah. What was he like? What did he bring to the table as a guest that
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  if you could implant it into all your future guests that you would? You know, it's interesting
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  that you just asked me that. So I introduced you to this guy, Neil Sullivan. Yes.
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  And he did a pod critic review of that episode. Oh. So I can actually tell you a little bit about
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  that. We're going to dive deep. Okay. Yeah. So, you know, when you land a celebrity,
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  you're just like so excited to have them where you like for me. I didn't necessarily feel comfortable
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  like interrupting or interjecting or adding my two cents. And Jerry's like a very political guy.
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  Like he's into politics like. Yeah. His career started as a politician as air America, right?
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  He was the mayor of Cincinnati and he was like city council and he had a podcast where he
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  talked about politics for years. And it honestly, when I was on the show, I thought he might even
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  leave spring or to go back to politics like there were rumors of that. He was an Emmy-winning
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  newscaster. He worked at the same station as Donahue. So his roots were that, like as an anchor,
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  as as someone who was published in front of the camera. He could have easily been Bill O'Reilly.
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  Exactly. So when I had him on and he went on to this like little political rant,
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  I did not interrupt that. I kind of let him go loose. And the pod critic critique of that episode
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  was like it would have been good of me as a host to synthesize that or maybe interject or
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  add something to that piece because it got a little long. And the parts where people didn't drop
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  off were our time that we spent together, our favorite stories, what we remembered, Jamaica,
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  like that was the part where I was the most into it and also where people were the most engaged
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  with it. So Jerry as a guest needs to be real to in a little. And that was actually I felt like
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  interesting feedback. And also I could have been more structured with it. Like I could have started
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  like how we connected, you know what his interests were and then what his legacy was and then wrapped
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  it up with a little blow. I could have been more structured, but I think since I was just so excited
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  to have him and like get that validation and get that catch up and get that closure, I didn't
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  structure it as much as I usually do. In your defense, in your defense, I will say that it just
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  it just happens when you're super excited about having a guest. And it can be somebody that's
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  super famous like a Jerry Springer. I would most likely definitely 1000% be like that if it was my
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  favorite author Chuck Polynick. I have a thousand questions right now that I can think of that I
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  would ask him. Tell me, tell me some. That's cool. And that would probably throw you off a little.
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  I would definitely ask him about guts, which is the short story and there's an audio version on YouTube.
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  I dare you to look it up that literally makes people vomit when they hear it like he would do
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  live readings and what made people sick. So anyways, I would probably ask him a series of questions
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  about that. And I would ask him about Fight Club and the story about his dad and the story about
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  the 18th, I think the 18th, the story when he was broken down after his dad passed away. I would
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  ask him about how the books were getting sent to get pulped and you know he's here he is dozens of
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  books later one of the best authors of our generation. And just I would want to deep dive into
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  the feeling that he had when the books went to go get pulped. But back to what you're talking to
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  you, it's like I'm coming up with all these questions and all these things that I would love to
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  talk with Chuck Polynick about. But if Rina if you walked in, hey Freddie, I brought somebody and
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  he's right here, he's gonna sit right here and I would freeze. I was nervous.
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  But nervous in a good way and I also think like your podcast or my podcast like is a mix of people
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  that want to come on and who I want to come on. Yeah. And I think it's important to kind of get nervous
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  and like kind of reach out to the Chuck Polynick. Is that how you say it? Chuck Polynick, yeah.
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  I think it's like have you ever tried to reach out to him? I came close. The closest I've
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  ever gotten to him. You see how she turns the interviewer. She's like the you must not be like
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  being the guest because you're like interviewing me now. But I think it's good to have a back and forth
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  too. Absolutely. Yeah. Thank you. Because your audience wants to know about you too and the feedback
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  that I've gotten from a couple of these critiques is for me to actually interject more. Because I
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  as an interviewer, sometimes only speak like 20% and it needs to be closer to 40. I see that.
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  Yeah. I see that. I see that. Yeah. And so even though we're talking about guesting,
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  the host, it is on the host to like make the guest look as best as possible.
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  But in order to do that, you have to share part of yourself in order to bring things out
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  of the other person. Now this is a coaching set. You're so awesome. Yeah. This is why I love
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  having her on. Yeah. Yeah. But to answer your question, one of the very first podcasts that I
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  ever done, it was back when I was on the radio. I interviewed guy named Tyler Jones. And it was
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  the podcast I think it was called This is Horror. And it was back when I was doing a lot of writing
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  and you know, by default, a lot of reading as well. When I'm, when you're not writing, they say
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  you should be reading. Okay. So that's to kind of keep the keep your skills sharpened, right? Yeah.
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  So I heard of this author. I heard this author Tyler on this podcast and really enjoyed hearing him
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  speak. And I just reached out to him. I'm like, Hey, Tyler, this is going to print, you know,
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  whatever the pitch was probably like going to be a long shot. But I would love to have you on
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  podcast. I have a new show about books and I worked for this top 40 radio station. And so this is
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  just a part of what I'm doing. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He's like, cool. And I didn't really think any of
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  the, because I just wanted to talk to Tyler about his book. Okay. And now I'm forgetting the name
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  of the book, but it was a really good one. And so we talked, come to find out I was Tyler's first
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  podcast interview. He did amazing. But also, Tyler's one of Tyler's, I guess, I don't know if
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  he was like a writing group, you know, some authors have the writing groups. Yeah. Yeah. Like
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  not like an instructor, but like the leader of the writing workshop or whatever was Chuck. Oh, yeah.
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  You're so close. Oh, it was very close. And then I just, I don't, I don't even remember,
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  this is years ago, Reena. So I'm probably misremembering a lot of pieces to this long story short,
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  Chuck listened to the interview and enjoyed it. And I'm like, and I'm like, I am inside my favorite
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  author's head. And you should have reached out then. But you know, the thing what I didn't want
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  it to be like transactional, like, hey, Tyler, I got you on my show. So now I'm going to enter,
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  now I'm going to ask you if I can interview Chuck. Like it was never really about that because I
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  genuinely really enjoyed speaking with Tyler. I interviewed him, I think twice. One, when I was
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  at the right, once when I was at the radio station the second time for my other old podcast. And
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  he's a great writer, indie writer. And I just had a lot of fun talking with him. Okay. Well,
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  maybe he should be a third time guest. And then you can ask him what's up with Chuck that you
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  remembered that piece of him listening. Just like a casual like, what's he up to? Yeah.
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  Are you still a part of that group? What's he doing now? Yeah. Yeah. Have you ever found an
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  interview of Chuck? There are a lot of podcast interviews of Chuck. Joe Rogan did one of the best
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  interviews with him. Oh, wow. It was like from years ago. And some of the stories were crazy.
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  That's cool. I mean, and you know, we're talking about ideal guests. Yeah. Chuck is like an
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  ideal guest. Like he is everything you would want in a guest. He is storied. You know, obviously
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  because he's one of the most prolific authors of our time, one of the greatest writers ever.
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  And he's lived a life. And he is unashamed and unabashed. He will talk about all the, you know,
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  we've both talked to Evan Carmichael and Evan Carmichael talks about showing the warts, right?
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  Mm hmm. This is a guy who has no problems showing the warts. I love people like that. And you've
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  done some of that to you. Yeah. But the thing is, is if other people do it with you, then you feel
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  more comfortable doing it with them. Yeah. Because we all start to realize that we're all just humans.
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  We're all just trying to do the best we can with what we have at that time. Yeah. And then they're
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  people that are listening that are like, Oh, wow. This Freddie guy really doesn't have a shit
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  figured out. Well, what I was thinking is we've now just talked about him multiple times in this
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  episode. You literally have like two or three clips. You could send him or tag him and just
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  probably just ask. Yeah. Or you could tag him in a clip and then ask, although I have probably
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  tweeted, I probably have tweeted once or twice that if I were to ever interview Chuck Polonic
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  and or sad guru, I would just quit podcasting because that's how important they are to me. That's
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  how ideal of guests they will be. I felt that way about Jerry. I was kind of like, how am I going
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  to follow that up? You know, like there's no one left. But the thing is, is that honestly every
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  conversation that you have, you get better and better and you're just continuing to hone those
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  skills. And that's why I even came today. I was like, Oh, he wants to do another one with me.
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  Like, this is what I love doing. I could do this every single day. Yeah. And so that's what you
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  should do if you want to get better at it. What makes a good guest, somebody who wants to get
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  better at it. Right. Somebody who is working to get better at it. Yeah. Which leads me to my next
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  topic. So you got to do more guessing and, you know, you got to appear on more podcast. If you want
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  to be a good guest, you have to start off by being a bad guest. Unfortunately, you got to learn,
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  you know, all the things you got to say the ums and the odds. And oh, gosh, I messed that part
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  out. Rina, can we stop? No, we actually are not going to stop. We're going to keep going. Just
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  like it's live TV. So you unfortunately have to be a bad or maybe softer put an imperfect guest.
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  Yes. And then you start to hone your skills. And so all that to say, being a podcast guest
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  is not nearly as easy as hosting a podcast because you can host a podcast. However, often as you
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  want, if you're going to be guessing on a podcast, well, you might get less invitations. Yeah.
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  You might get on Rina show. Are you going to get on Freddie show? Are you going to get on
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  Freddie show? You're not going to get on Rinas. Are you going to get on Dr. Sturms? Are you
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  going to get on the roses pot? So I mean, it's. I think too, like, I love what you're doing
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  lately of, you know, collaborations between your clients. Not only did you introduce them at
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  SpeakFest, but now people who hit it off at SpeakFest, like you're matchmaking them. And I think
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  that that also deepens your relationship with your clients and give them experience on the flip
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  side of being on the other side of the mic, which like you're saying, guessing can sometimes
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  not be as easy if they're spending all their time being a host. So you're also giving benefits
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  to your clients by making them practice the other side. And so what I like to get your thoughts
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  on are pitches. I'm sure you've seen by now, because I know I have, and I know if I have, you've
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  surely seen the garbage pitches that have nothing to do with your show Better Call Daddy.
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  Yeah. So sometimes I don't respond because there's so many that are just like completely unrelated.
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  And then sometimes after they've written me three times, if they write me two or three times and
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  I haven't responded at all, and it's just like a different variation of not good, then I'll just
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  maybe say like, thank you so much for reaching out three times. Or I've seen a couple emails from
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  you and I really appreciate that. And you know, tell me more about their relationship with their
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  father or what they want their legacy to be or how it ties into Better Call Daddy. And see if they
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  write back something interesting or if that gets rid of them or, you know, if it might be worth a
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  pre-chat to see if there's something there. Yeah. What about pre-chats? You obviously like them,
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  you have them. I can't have them with everyone because not everybody will even give you the time to
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  do it. But I have noticed that guests feel more comfortable. And if they don't have time to listen
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  to two to three episodes of your show and don't want to know the format, a pre-chat can really kind
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  of give you an idea of where to go in a conversation or whether you want to have a conversation at all.
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  So would you, so would you rather have the pre-chat?
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  Would you rather have the pre-chat or would you rather have someone listen to two or three episodes
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  before? Like, what works for you as a guest? That's a great question. I will say that if somebody listens to,
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  I had somebody send me recently that they had listened to close to 700 minutes of my podcast
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  this past year, that they were one of my top 2% listeners. I'm hollow on one second. 700,
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  yeah. The vibe by 60 is, whoops, not all of my episodes are 60, but around there, yeah.
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  I was gonna say divided by 45 minutes. Yeah. That's 15.55 hours that they've spent with you.
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  Somebody sent me that with the Spotify wrapped thing and let me tell you, I've not had a pre-chat
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  with them, but that made me want to have a pre-chat and consider them for my show because they
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  know me. They really know you. Yeah. Wow. So if you, I even tell people, I'm like,
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  if you want to get a podcaster's attention, like, Rose Ann Barr has shared me in her story multiple
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  times because I've spent over 15 hours with her by listening to her podcast and sharing it,
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  and quoting it, and interacting with the comments. She knows that. Podcasters take note of that.
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  Not everyone does that in a meaningful way. That is a really okay. So now this is just me
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  spitballing here. Are you more likely to listen to a pitch like that where they're like,
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  hey, Reena, I've listened to 700 minutes. You're on my Spotify wrap. But what if it's a terrible
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  like guest idea? If it's genuinely something that, let's just pretend for one second.
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  I try to dig deeper if it's nothing I'm interested in. But usually I'm a curious person. Even if I
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  know nothing about what they want to talk to me about, I might say tell me more.
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  So you're more likely to be to say yes, even if it's a topic you're not necessarily interested in,
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  just because they put that much time into you. For sure. It made that much of a difference.
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  Yeah. It's like, wow, I don't really care too much for basket weaving. But since
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  Janie said she listened to 15 hours of my show, I've got to pay it back.
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  Well, not only I've got to pay it back, but if they feel that connected to me,
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  and they like how I host and the topics that I'm covering, I want to know why.
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  Oh, like what kept you listening? Like what do you love about me?
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  What made you feel drawn to listen? Like that you're going to get the best feedback from someone
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  who has spent that kind of time invested in you. It's really hard to get feedback. Someone
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  someone lets you know that they're digging you and they're vibing with you and they find
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  your content valuable. That's somebody that you want to keep.
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  That is interesting.
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  I have people like comment on stories that I share and I will screenshot that and then
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  at sign them, mention them and share it in my story. I do that often because I'm like, wow,
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  that person took the time to DM me about something that I posted. They resonated with it.
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  Sometimes I'll ask for permission if it's like a paragraph. But if somebody wrote like a thoughtful
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  comment about something that I posted and they do it frequently, I want to shout them out so
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  that other people will see that I do that and they'll interact with me too.
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  You know what that reminds me of Gary Vaynerchuk and he says this every now and then
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  is that when he first started that he was answering every single tweet,
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  thousands and thousands of tweets that he was replying to every single comment.
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  That'll keep your posts going. Every single one. That will keep your posts going. Like don't you
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  get excited if a GaryVee hearted even that you commented? Oh yeah. I remember there was some
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  random comedian that I just replied to their tweet because I thought it was funny and he hearted
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  my tweet and I'm like, oh wow, they saw me. See? And he even knows if it's his team. Yeah,
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  it might not have even been the guy, right? Right. Like I've managed other people's accounts where I
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  respond every single one of them for them. Yeah. Because that will keep your posts alive and that
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  will make people feel seen. Yeah. So in 2026, what is something that you would like to see podcast
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  guests for your show in just in general? What do you see as being something that
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  that we should all just not do anymore? Oh, I thought you were asking me kind of like for
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  2026. You know, did I have any ideas around like guests that I want to kind of steer towards?
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  Or we can do that too. What kind of guests do want to steer toward in 2026? Instead of like what do
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  I not want to see? What's interesting is like more than one person has said to me that I should
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  interview more Jerry Springer type of guests that there really isn't that. And I do tend to get people
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  sharing Jerry Springer stories with me when they find out that I worked there. They feel comfortable
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  like telling me like, Oh, I have a Jerry Springer story for you. Like so what do you mean? Like they
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  like they were connected to Jerry Springer? Or they have a show a topic that would have been on
• 27:42
  that show? They have a topic that would have been on that show. So here's an example of that. Like
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  I recently was in Oklahoma for a shoot. And you know, I was very excited about the work that I was
• 27:50
  doing there. And I shared it with my Uber driver. And he was like, Oh, I've got a Jerry Springer
• 27:55
  story for you. He's like, I have four daughters and they're all the same age, but only two of them,
• 27:59
  you know, were with my wife. So yeah, he had three pregnant women at the same time. Oh gosh.
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  Yeah. And he talked about being a single dad and learning how to change diapers and, you know,
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  being a dad to a daughter and some of the things they wanted to talk to him since the wife wasn't
• 28:18
  around sometimes. And I found that to be really interesting. And then, you know, what was his
• 28:23
  dad like? And wouldn't he remember about from when I stepped into the Uber? And then too, like,
• 28:28
  as he tried to refer people to Uber, what are the craziest stories he hears? As an Uber driver,
• 28:34
  how do you become an Uber driver? Yeah. So that was kind of crazy. Or I also mentioned another one to
• 28:40
  you where somebody found out that I worked at Springer. And she was like, I learned English watching
• 28:46
  Springer. I was trafficked here and kept in a room. And I didn't know that America had those types
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  of stories. I thought this was the land of, you know, golden the streets. Wow. What a world.
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  So I think I want to like, intermix, like, serious stories and scandalous stories.
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  The ones that, the ones that people might be otherwise ashamed to talk. Yeah. Yeah. I do feel like I
• 29:18
  kind of have an act for those kind of stories of like getting people to open up. And I love those
• 29:25
  stories. And get it all through Jess. Yeah. There's so many people that honestly just need someone to
• 29:30
  talk to them. And I'm totally good, like, not a therapist, not a social worker, but I'll be an
• 29:36
  ear. Yeah. And sometimes it's all people need. Yeah. And then I'll have my dad weigh in. And
• 29:44
  you know, I'll be a second opinion. Yeah.
• 29:49
  Rina, you're a real one. Thank you. So are you ready? I appreciate you so much. Thank you for
• 29:56
  me. Yes. Thank you so much for having me. All right. Better called daddy.com. Please check out
• 30:01
  Rina on her website and listen to you say close to or more than 450 episodes. It's a few more
• 30:07
  than that now. Over 450 episodes. You're going to love better called daddy. And all right. Thanks
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  for watching. Thanks for listening.