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Choosing the best color ever — Intentionally Blank Ep. 277 · Intentionally Blank

• 0:03
  SPEAKER_02: Hi, Isaac.
• 0:04
  SPEAKER_02: Hey Brandon, how are you?
• 0:06
  SPEAKER_03: I'm doing very well, everybody.
• 0:07
  SPEAKER_03: This is Isaac Stewart.
• 0:09
  SPEAKER_03: You might know Isaac from such fame as doing all of the Mistborn symbols, doing almost all the maps for Stormlight Archive.
• 0:16
  SPEAKER_03: Did you do all the maps?
• 0:18
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I think I did.
• 0:19
  SPEAKER_02: Yep.
• 0:19
  SPEAKER_02: Apologies to anybody I've forgotten who did one.
• 0:22
  SPEAKER_02: But uh yeah, I'm I think like Wave Kings, maybe like 70% of the art was mine.
• 0:28
  SPEAKER_02: And then it goes down from there after that as I'm more directing things rather than doing them.
• 0:33
  SPEAKER_03: But yep, Isaac's our VP over what we call creative development, which is art and lots of there's a lot of model guides and concept art and some licensing and IP.
• 0:47
  SPEAKER_02: It's just kind of our catch-off where that's a bunch of stuff that's going on over there.
• 0:52
  SPEAKER_03: Also famous for introducing me to Emily on a blind date.
• 0:55
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, that was fun.
• 0:56
  SPEAKER_03: Back in the day when I saw him drawing on a table and said, Hey, you do art.
• 1:03
  SPEAKER_03: Because you took my class at BYU the second year I offered it, but you're my age.
• 1:08
  SPEAKER_03: I'm like, that's odd.
• 1:10
  SPEAKER_03: Because back then people my age didn't take my class.
• 1:12
  SPEAKER_03: Now a ton of people my age, like because of you know, the classes renown and stuff.
• 1:17
  SPEAKER_03: I always have people who are older.
• 1:20
  SPEAKER_03: We're a little older, but back then it was all like, you know, freshmen and stuff, and then then you who were in your late 20s.
• 1:27
  SPEAKER_03: And so I'm like, hey, and we became friends, we went to dinner, you were drawing on the table.
• 1:33
  SPEAKER_02: And you're like, hey, want to do Mistborn maps?
• 1:36
  SPEAKER_02: And you didn't know that I had been doing maps for a long time.
• 1:39
  SPEAKER_03: I didn't.
• 1:40
  SPEAKER_03: I was just trying to find people to do maps for me.
• 1:42
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 1:43
  SPEAKER_02: It was a nice bit of serendipity there.
• 1:45
  SPEAKER_02: I'd gone back to school, I'd already graduated.
• 1:47
  SPEAKER_02: Yep.
• 1:48
  SPEAKER_02: And I had gotten tired of some of my science classes because I was going back for optometry, and I already had like basically a minor in science.
• 1:57
  SPEAKER_02: And I kind of had gotten tired of them, so I looked up the science fiction writing class because I'd taken it from Dave twice.
• 2:03
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 2:04
  SPEAKER_02: But the the year I didn't take it was the year that you and Dan and other people took it.
• 2:09
  SPEAKER_02: So I somehow missed you guys.
• 2:11
  SPEAKER_03: If you'd taken it that year, me and Dan and Peter were all in that class.
• 2:15
  SPEAKER_03: Yep.
• 2:16
  SPEAKER_02: But I knew Dan and Peter from the Leading Edge, and you less so because I worked in the basement.
• 2:21
  SPEAKER_02: You worked in the basement more.
• 2:22
  SPEAKER_03: Yep.
• 2:22
  SPEAKER_03: I'm sure we crossed paths, but when I met you in the class, I didn't recognize you from Leading Edge.
• 2:27
  SPEAKER_02: Yep, I had recognized your name from Leading Edge.
• 2:30
  SPEAKER_02: We must have talked at some point.
• 2:32
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 2:32
  SPEAKER_02: Because I think I ran into you at a grocery store and I was like, how's the writing going?
• 2:36
  SPEAKER_02: Because I knew you were like writing.
• 2:37
  SPEAKER_02: And you're like, I'm working on something called Dragon Steel or something like that.
• 2:42
  SPEAKER_02: And then I later checked that out of the BYU library, first person to check it out, read it, took your class.
• 2:48
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, you read it before taking my class.
• 2:50
  SPEAKER_03: That's right.
• 2:51
  SPEAKER_03: I'd forgotten you're the first person to ever check it out.
• 2:53
  SPEAKER_02: It was basically like, okay, I kind of remember this Brandon Sanderson guy from The Leading Edge, but I've never read anything by him.
• 3:01
  SPEAKER_03: Is he any good?
• 3:02
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, can you teach me something?
• 3:03
  SPEAKER_02: I read Dragon Steel and I was like, it was good.
• 3:07
  SPEAKER_02: Like you it's an early novel, but it was good enough that I'm like, this guy's good.
• 3:11
  SPEAKER_02: He's got stuff going on.
• 3:12
  SPEAKER_03: Most checked out thesis in the history of BYU had to be rebound.
• 3:17
  SPEAKER_03: It's not great as a book, but you can now buy it.
• 3:21
  SPEAKER_03: We have it on our site, the Sanderson Curiosity.
• 3:26
  SPEAKER_03: And if you want to read Isaac's writing, he did the King Lopen story.
• 3:30
  SPEAKER_02: Yes, I did the King Lopen story.
• 3:32
  SPEAKER_02: Yep.
• 3:33
  SPEAKER_02: Thank you and all the fans for humoring me there.
• 3:35
  SPEAKER_03: People love it.
• 3:36
  SPEAKER_03: It's been doing really well.
• 3:37
  SPEAKER_03: If you want to find out what Lopen did during his brief period as King, which is canon.
• 3:45
  SPEAKER_03: I've been telling people about it for years and years and years.
• 3:47
  SPEAKER_03: Isaac finally wrote the story showing what happened in his brief period as king.
• 3:52
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 3:53
  SPEAKER_02: It's Lopen giving himself self-therapy, basically.
• 3:57
  SPEAKER_03: Yep.
• 3:58
  SPEAKER_03: Mm-hmm.
• 3:59
  SPEAKER_03: What are we doing today?
• 4:00
  SPEAKER_02: I think Donald Mary.
• 4:02
  SPEAKER_03: You had a pitch.
• 4:03
  SPEAKER_01: We had a pitch.
• 4:04
  SPEAKER_01: Isaac knows about, and I don't.
• 4:06
  SPEAKER_01: Uh-huh.
• 4:06
  SPEAKER_01: I was keeping this one under wraps.
• 4:08
  SPEAKER_01: So a while ago, I hit up Isaac and said, hey, we want to get you on the podcast.
• 4:12
  SPEAKER_01: And you're an artist, and we've been seeing some success with these tier lists.
• 4:17
  SPEAKER_01: So I thought it'd only be fitting that we ask our VP of Creative, why don't we decide out of these colors, what are the best colors to use?
• 4:27
  SPEAKER_01: You're kidding me.
• 4:27
  SPEAKER_01: I'm not kidding you.
• 4:28
  SPEAKER_01: We're going to rank a tier list of colors.
• 4:32
  SPEAKER_01: A tier list of colors.
• 4:33
  SPEAKER_01: And as Isaac has shown, if you want to show the camera, he's prepared.
• 4:37
  SPEAKER_01: You know, I assume we've got a couple opinions about what is genuinely the best color.
• 4:44
  SPEAKER_02: So um I I only know a little bit about this.
• 4:48
  SPEAKER_03: Uh-huh.
• 4:48
  SPEAKER_02: So just I'm I'm very surprised too at some of this.
• 4:51
  SPEAKER_02: I hope you throw some curveballs.
• 4:53
  SPEAKER_03: Well, here's my question, Isaac.
• 4:55
  SPEAKER_03: We'll just start here with a controversial one.
• 4:56
  SPEAKER_03: Is white a color?
• 4:58
  SPEAKER_02: Is white a color?
• 5:00
  SPEAKER_02: Let me think about this.
• 5:01
  SPEAKER_01: I have white up here.
• 5:02
  SPEAKER_01: You do.
• 5:03
  SPEAKER_02: So I would say if you are talking pure white, the whitest of the whitest bright white snow light going off of it, that that's the actual name of that color.
• 5:17
  SPEAKER_02: I would say that's not a color.
• 5:19
  SPEAKER_03: Not a color.
• 5:20
  SPEAKER_03: Really?
• 5:21
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, I'm just I'm thinking about it in terms of if we're looking at white as absence of color, if we are pure, pure white with nothing.
• 5:29
  SPEAKER_03: But isn't white, I know this isn't correct because I've been told it, but isn't white all colors?
• 5:36
  SPEAKER_02: I've heard that too.
• 5:37
  SPEAKER_02: And I think that that's more like is that when you're talking about additive color, multiplicative color, you know?
• 5:43
  SPEAKER_03: I had a character talk about that, and Peter's like, all right, technically, here's the science, and white is not all colors.
• 5:50
  SPEAKER_03: But white light is all colors of light, which is different than white being all colors.
• 5:57
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 5:57
  SPEAKER_02: If you're painting with something, that mixes very differently than light making a color.
• 6:03
  SPEAKER_03: But you can mix white paint.
• 6:05
  SPEAKER_03: You can paint with it.
• 6:07
  SPEAKER_03: So are you going to put white on your tier list in a tier, or are you going to say white is not a little bit more.
• 6:13
  SPEAKER_02: So this is not qualified.
• 6:15
  SPEAKER_02: I am going to say this.
• 6:17
  SPEAKER_02: All shades of white that are detectable with the human eye are probably colors.
• 6:23
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 6:25
  SPEAKER_02: Because, you know, the platonic ideal of white is not though.
• 6:28
  SPEAKER_02: The platonic ideal of white is not a color.
• 6:32
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 6:32
  SPEAKER_02: Put that on a plaque somewhere.
• 6:34
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 6:34
  SPEAKER_02: I can be proven wrong probably, but the platonic ideal of white is not a color.
• 6:38
  SPEAKER_02: But everything that we perceive of white is probably a color.
• 6:41
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 6:42
  SPEAKER_02: Here's some things.
• 6:43
  SPEAKER_02: So I was, I don't know if I was helping a neighbor weed or something like that.
• 6:47
  SPEAKER_02: And we were talking about colors.
• 6:50
  SPEAKER_02: And he was pointing out what he saw as a white flower.
• 6:54
  SPEAKER_02: And I said, That flower is not white.
• 6:55
  SPEAKER_02: And he's like, that is a white flower.
• 6:57
  SPEAKER_02: And I said, That flower is not white.
• 6:58
  SPEAKER_02: And he's like, okay, let's kind of like make a gentleman's bet here.
• 7:02
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 7:02
  SPEAKER_02: And we went up to it.
• 7:03
  SPEAKER_02: You won that bet.
• 7:04
  SPEAKER_02: I won that bet.
• 7:05
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 7:05
  SPEAKER_02: It was a lavender, right?
• 7:06
  SPEAKER_02: But but it wasn't until we got up close and that we put it next to something that was more white that he saw it.
• 7:14
  SPEAKER_02: And he's like, oh my gosh.
• 7:15
  SPEAKER_02: That's and I'm like, I'm I'm just I'm trained in this.
• 7:18
  SPEAKER_02: I'm trained to see color.
• 7:19
  SPEAKER_03: I know that because you do that to me sometimes over the years and have taught me where I'm like, that feels too red.
• 7:26
  SPEAKER_03: You're like, well, what if I put a blue next to it?
• 7:28
  SPEAKER_03: And I'm like, oh, now it's the right color because I'm comparing it to the color next to it.
• 7:32
  SPEAKER_03: And you're like, in the composition, it'll look like this.
• 7:34
  SPEAKER_03: I'm like, oh, I guess that's the right red then.
• 7:36
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 7:37
  SPEAKER_03: It's so weird how we perceive color dependent on what is next to it.
• 7:43
  SPEAKER_02: Yep, it is.
• 7:43
  SPEAKER_02: And it depends on the temperature a lot of times, because you know, people will say just generally, you learn this like when you're a kid, right?
• 7:51
  SPEAKER_02: Red is a warm color.
• 7:52
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 7:52
  SPEAKER_02: Well, if you put that next to a color that is warmer than that red, that red will look cooler.
• 7:58
  SPEAKER_02: And this is, you know, a lot of painting and art is based on perception of color.
• 8:04
  SPEAKER_02: It's really funny.
• 8:05
  SPEAKER_02: When I was in college, I was dating this woman, and she's name shall not be named.
• 8:09
  SPEAKER_02: We will not name this on the podcast.
• 8:11
  SPEAKER_02: I will say, just in case she's listening, she's awesome.
• 8:14
  SPEAKER_02: She was awesome.
• 8:15
  SPEAKER_02: She's still awesome.
• 8:16
  SPEAKER_03: But she's now not how I think of her.
• 8:20
  SPEAKER_03: That's fine.
• 8:20
  SPEAKER_03: But I'm your friend.
• 8:21
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 8:22
  SPEAKER_02: But she would introduce me as this is Isaac, my boyfriend.
• 8:26
  SPEAKER_02: He's majoring in coloring.
• 8:28
  SPEAKER_02: And so maybe that should have told me about how she felt about my career path.
• 8:32
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 8:33
  SPEAKER_02: But here at Dragon Steel, I'm like, holy cow, I totally majored in coloring, and so much of my job is based on color.
• 8:41
  SPEAKER_02: Uh yeah.
• 8:42
  SPEAKER_03: Well, I'm gonna put white in S tier.
• 8:45
  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 8:46
  SPEAKER_03: Why?
• 8:47
  SPEAKER_03: Well, because without white, all other colors, like white is the baseline by which all the other colors work.
• 8:55
  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 8:56
  SPEAKER_02: Can you tell me what this rating system is?
• 8:58
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, yes, how this is.
• 9:04
  SPEAKER_03: For some reason, the internet latched onto the Japanese rating system.
• 9:07
  SPEAKER_03: Instead of A through F, they go S and then A through F.
• 9:09
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 9:10
  SPEAKER_02: Yep.
• 9:10
  SPEAKER_02: Not to copy you, but I would say the same thing because I can't do anything without white without white.
• 9:15
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, right?
• 9:16
  SPEAKER_03: It's just it is base.
• 9:18
  SPEAKER_03: That makes sense.
• 9:19
  SPEAKER_03: All right.
• 9:20
  SPEAKER_03: Is black a color?
• 9:22
  SPEAKER_02: I'm gonna have to go to the platonic ideal again.
• 9:25
  SPEAKER_03: Platonic ideal of black isn't a color either.
• 9:27
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, but I'm less sure of that than I am of white.
• 9:31
  SPEAKER_02: Because if I'm mixing everything together, it's gonna be black eventually, but you're almost always going to have a hint of something else in the black.
• 9:42
  SPEAKER_02: So there's colors of things.
• 9:44
  SPEAKER_02: It's it's only these things like the blackest black paint.
• 9:47
  SPEAKER_02: I mean that was a thing for a while.
• 9:49
  SPEAKER_03: That was a thing for a while.
• 9:50
  SPEAKER_03: Someone made it blacker black.
• 9:51
  SPEAKER_02: And then there was like black 3.0, and they were using carbon fibers or something like that to absorb all the light.
• 9:59
  SPEAKER_02: So black sort of eats color.
• 10:01
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 10:02
  SPEAKER_02: But whether it spits it back out, does that make it a color?
• 10:06
  SPEAKER_02: It's trapping it and then it's not reflecting it out in some ways.
• 10:10
  SPEAKER_04: So the platonic ideal of black, is it a color?
• 10:13
  SPEAKER_03: Black is S tier for me.
• 10:15
  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 10:16
  SPEAKER_03: Same for me.
• 10:16
  SPEAKER_03: It's the same thing with white, right?
• 10:18
  SPEAKER_03: Like, what are you even doing if you aren't putting black and white in S tier?
• 10:22
  SPEAKER_03: They either have to be not on the scale, or they have to be the S tier because they're the two bookends by which all other colors are judged.
• 10:30
  SPEAKER_01: No, I 100% agree.
• 10:31
  SPEAKER_02: So I'm gonna probably put everything in the Zorn palette on S.
• 10:36
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 10:36
  SPEAKER_02: History time.
• 10:37
  SPEAKER_02: What is the Zorn palette?
• 10:38
  SPEAKER_02: So there was this guy whose first name I can't remember, but Howard would remember it, named something Zorn.
• 10:44
  SPEAKER_02: And he was famous for coming up with a palette that was four colors, and he could paint a whole range of things with it.
• 10:51
  SPEAKER_02: And I'm gonna get some of these wrong probably.
• 10:54
  SPEAKER_02: So if you'll let me Google it, I can look it up.
• 10:56
  SPEAKER_01: I was gonna say I'm looking it up right now.
• 10:57
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, look it up right now.
• 10:58
  SPEAKER_02: But I think what it was is you've got like a cadmium red, you've got uh titanium white, you've got a black, and then is it three colors only?
• 11:08
  SPEAKER_02: I'm I'm trying to find it.
• 11:09
  SPEAKER_02: There might have been a yellow in there, but it was three colors because sometimes you can use black as a blue because of that perception thing.
• 11:17
  SPEAKER_02: You put this titanium white, you mix it with black, and then you put it next to a red, and it looks blue.
• 11:23
  SPEAKER_01: So I'm seeing it's lead, white, or titanium white, yellow, ochre, vermilion red or cadmium red, and then ivory black.
• 11:31
  SPEAKER_02: So it was four.
• 11:31
  SPEAKER_02: It was four.
• 11:32
  SPEAKER_02: So it was a it was a red, a yellow, a black, and uh and a white.
• 11:37
  SPEAKER_02: And those are gonna be like, those are your S tier.
• 11:39
  SPEAKER_02: There might be other S tier ones, but like I'm gonna say, like, you can do a whole lot.
• 11:44
  SPEAKER_02: At least black, white, red.
• 11:46
  SPEAKER_01: Black, white, red.
• 11:47
  SPEAKER_01: And I was gonna say the first ones I have a red yellow.
• 11:49
  SPEAKER_02: If you're going for like, what did you say the yellow was?
• 11:51
  SPEAKER_01: Uh it's got yellow ochre.
• 11:53
  SPEAKER_01: O-C-E-H-R-E.
• 11:54
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 11:54
  SPEAKER_02: So a yellow.
• 11:55
  SPEAKER_03: So it's it's a browner.
• 11:56
  SPEAKER_03: It's a browner one.
• 11:57
  SPEAKER_03: It's not that yellow.
• 11:58
  SPEAKER_03: It's not that one.
• 11:59
  SPEAKER_02: I just found yellow.
• 12:00
  SPEAKER_02: But it's fine.
• 12:01
  SPEAKER_02: Like, I don't want to put the yellow you have on there that's closest to yellow ochre in the S tier.
• 12:07
  SPEAKER_02: So let's pull yellow out of the S tier.
• 12:09
  SPEAKER_02: All right.
• 12:11
  SPEAKER_03: I'll put the red in the S tier also.
• 12:13
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, red is the best.
• 12:14
  SPEAKER_02: Red is pretty good.
• 12:16
  SPEAKER_02: I'm going to say that I am prejudiced towards some colors.
• 12:19
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, yeah.
• 12:20
  SPEAKER_02: My team makes fun of me about things.
• 12:22
  SPEAKER_02: It's just weird.
• 12:23
  SPEAKER_02: I feel like red is that for me.
• 12:25
  SPEAKER_02: Right?
• 12:26
  SPEAKER_03: I always go back to red.
• 12:27
  SPEAKER_03: Like red and like you don't have a good blue on here.
• 12:31
  SPEAKER_01: So this is I agree.
• 12:32
  SPEAKER_01: So red and blue are taken from our catalog.
• 12:35
  SPEAKER_01: I know that the red that I have is, I believe, is the Dragon Steel red.
• 12:40
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 12:40
  SPEAKER_01: That looks like the Dragon Steel red.
• 12:42
  SPEAKER_02: We have a name for that.
• 12:43
  SPEAKER_02: Dragon Steel, Dragon Flame, Fire Burning Bright Red.
• 12:47
  SPEAKER_02: That is the name for our Dragon Steel Red.
• 12:51
  SPEAKER_01: But we don't have a bridge for blue.
• 12:53
  SPEAKER_01: So this is one of the blues I just had in my master library.
• 12:57
  SPEAKER_01: You might know what blue this is.
• 12:58
  SPEAKER_01: I know it's on the lighter end.
• 12:59
  SPEAKER_01: We have the hex code.
• 13:01
  SPEAKER_02: I don't have the cheat sheet for those.
• 13:03
  SPEAKER_02: If it was anything, I'd say that it looks like Windrunner blue, which is slightly different from bridge four blue, which is closer to color.
• 13:12
  SPEAKER_03: But it's our closest to our blue, so I'm going to put it in S tier.
• 13:15
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 13:15
  SPEAKER_02: Blue?
• 13:16
  SPEAKER_02: So I have to think about this in terms of like because some of it's going to be paint-based.
• 13:20
  SPEAKER_02: Like it's like, okay, if I'm painting, these are my S tier.
• 13:23
  SPEAKER_02: If I'm printing, these are my S tier.
• 13:26
  SPEAKER_02: If I've got an RGB screen, I'm going to put a red, blue, and a green in the S tier.
• 13:32
  SPEAKER_02: And so like I would put the blue in the S tier if that's the only blue I've got.
• 13:37
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 13:37
  SPEAKER_01: If this is the blue you had, this is the blue you got.
• 13:40
  SPEAKER_02: But the black, white, red color palette is one of my favorites.
• 13:44
  SPEAKER_02: That's the best one.
• 13:45
  SPEAKER_02: And I also like red, blue, accent of gold.
• 13:50
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, it's so good.
• 13:51
  SPEAKER_01: So I have gold.
• 13:51
  SPEAKER_01: Do you want to do gold real fast?
• 13:53
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 13:53
  SPEAKER_01: This is our gold.
• 13:54
  SPEAKER_02: That's gold.
• 13:55
  SPEAKER_02: That is what I was saying.
• 13:56
  SPEAKER_02: I'm gonna put that in A because I like it as an accent color.
• 14:00
  SPEAKER_02: I would put a different yellow up in S.
• 14:02
  SPEAKER_03: You know?
• 14:03
  SPEAKER_03: Um gold.
• 14:04
  SPEAKER_03: Gold is great.
• 14:05
  SPEAKER_03: S tier.
• 14:06
  SPEAKER_02: S tier.
• 14:07
  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 14:08
  SPEAKER_01: That makes sense.
• 14:09
  SPEAKER_03: Mm-hmm.
• 14:10
  SPEAKER_01: You know, it's gold.
• 14:12
  SPEAKER_01: It is gold.
• 14:12
  SPEAKER_01: It is gold.
• 14:13
  SPEAKER_01: I like it as an accent, though.
• 14:14
  SPEAKER_01: That's fair.
• 14:15
  SPEAKER_01: We do have yellow.
• 14:16
  SPEAKER_01: This is supposed to be our yellow.
• 14:18
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, that's our yellow.
• 14:19
  SPEAKER_02: S tier.
• 14:21
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 14:22
  SPEAKER_02: It looks like mustard mixed with mayonnaise yellow.
• 14:26
  SPEAKER_02: I'm gonna put that one as a B.
• 14:29
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 14:30
  SPEAKER_02: That's fair.
• 14:31
  SPEAKER_02: Is there a reason why?
• 14:33
  SPEAKER_02: Because I don't like the way it tastes.
• 14:36
  SPEAKER_02: It just tastes a little weird to me.
• 14:38
  SPEAKER_01: That's fair.
• 14:39
  SPEAKER_02: If I'm fine, it's like fine.
• 14:41
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, bee's not bad.
• 14:42
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, no, it's not.
• 14:44
  SPEAKER_03: So Joel, my son, has synesthesia.
• 14:46
  SPEAKER_03: I didn't know that.
• 14:47
  SPEAKER_03: That's cool.
• 14:47
  SPEAKER_03: He describes emotions as colors.
• 14:50
  SPEAKER_03: And he sometimes can't describe them any other way, he says.
• 14:54
  SPEAKER_02: And so uh you said it tastes.
• 14:57
  SPEAKER_02: And I don't know if that's because I've been influenced by those things or or if it's just I I don't think I have synesthesia, but I I have an interesting relationship with color.
• 15:08
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 15:09
  SPEAKER_02: And so I feel emotions for them, but sometimes it sometimes it's like I have to describe it like a texture or a or a taste because it's just like I don't know.
• 15:19
  SPEAKER_02: Like this might be just because of the association with mustard mixed with mayonnaise, which is like that's fine, but I'd rather have fry sauce.
• 15:28
  SPEAKER_03: Totally fair.
• 15:29
  SPEAKER_03: What's your opinion on hyperblue?
• 15:32
  SPEAKER_03: Hyper blue.
• 15:33
  SPEAKER_03: Tell me about this.
• 15:34
  SPEAKER_03: Hyper blue is the unreal color.
• 15:37
  SPEAKER_03: You can only see it by staring at blue for a long time and illuminate it in a way and then looking at black and it turns to black hyperblue.
• 15:46
  unknown: Oh.
• 15:47
  SPEAKER_03: Is it called hyper blue?
• 15:48
  SPEAKER_03: Can you look it up hyper blue?
• 15:49
  SPEAKER_03: I'm gonna ask you.
• 15:50
  SPEAKER_03: This is supposedly hyper blue.
• 15:51
  SPEAKER_03: No, no, no.
• 15:52
  SPEAKER_03: They're lying.
• 15:53
  SPEAKER_03: Go to not images.
• 15:54
  SPEAKER_02: Those are those right there, are marketers calling their cars hyperblue.
• 15:58
  SPEAKER_03: Hyperblue.
• 15:59
  SPEAKER_03: Maybe it's not called hyperblue.
• 16:01
  SPEAKER_03: Let me see.
• 16:02
  SPEAKER_03: If you excuse me to Google for a minute.
• 16:04
  SPEAKER_03: There was some recent research about the chimerical colors.
• 16:08
  SPEAKER_03: Stiggian blue is what it's called.
• 16:11
  SPEAKER_03: Stygian blue.
• 16:12
  SPEAKER_03: Stygian blue.
• 16:13
  SPEAKER_03: Stygian blue.
• 16:14
  SPEAKER_03: Do you pronounce the G in Stygian, or do you say it's stigin blue?
• 16:17
  SPEAKER_03: I pronounce it, but I don't know if that's right or not.
• 16:19
  SPEAKER_03: So what I was describing is Stygian blue.
• 16:21
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, let me pull it.
• 16:23
  SPEAKER_03: It's one of the chimeric colors.
• 16:24
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
• 16:25
  SPEAKER_02: Wow, these are things I don't know about.
• 16:27
  SPEAKER_02: No, I just I just like lost my PhD in color.
• 16:31
  SPEAKER_03: Well, they're all they're imaginary.
• 16:32
  SPEAKER_03: They're like, you know, they're fake colors.
• 16:35
  SPEAKER_03: So to get the stygian blue, you can only see Stygian blue briefly by overlapping blue with black.
• 16:41
  SPEAKER_03: Interesting.
• 16:42
  SPEAKER_03: And then there's another one where you overlap blue with white, right?
• 16:45
  SPEAKER_03: That's cool.
• 16:46
  SPEAKER_03: Or there's self-luminous red, hyperbolic orange, stygian, yeah.
• 16:50
  SPEAKER_03: So anyway.
• 16:52
  SPEAKER_03: Oh yeah, you don't stare, you stare at its opposite.
• 16:54
  SPEAKER_03: No, you stare at the yellow, then you look at the black, and it will create stygian blue.
• 16:59
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, okay.
• 17:00
  SPEAKER_03: That's what it is.
• 17:00
  SPEAKER_03: I was explaining it wrong.
• 17:01
  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 17:02
  SPEAKER_03: I can see okay.
• 17:02
  SPEAKER_02: I just did it and I see it.
• 17:04
  SPEAKER_04: Oh, interesting.
• 17:05
  SPEAKER_04: Okay.
• 17:06
  SPEAKER_02: It it feels a little bit like uh like uh Odeum light.
• 17:10
  SPEAKER_03: Yes.
• 17:11
  SPEAKER_03: A little bit.
• 17:12
  SPEAKER_03: Yep.
• 17:12
  SPEAKER_03: Yep.
• 17:13
  SPEAKER_03: That's what I when I describe Odeum, I'm going more for a violet, but it's a stygian.
• 17:17
  SPEAKER_03: It's like I imagine it as that thing.
• 17:19
  SPEAKER_03: I was shown that long ago, and I'm like, no, this is this is the color of Odium's violet.
• 17:24
  SPEAKER_03: It is an impossible violet.
• 17:27
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 17:27
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, there's a there's something ethereal about them.
• 17:30
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, that's really cool.
• 17:31
  SPEAKER_02: There was some research recently about like causing people to see new colors that I wanted to read up on, but I haven't yet.
• 17:39
  SPEAKER_02: But there was some other research about there are some people who have extra cones in their eyes.
• 17:43
  SPEAKER_02: Oh yeah.
• 17:44
  SPEAKER_02: And they're like super seers anyway.
• 17:47
  SPEAKER_03: And they can see extra colors?
• 17:49
  SPEAKER_02: It's not so much extra colors as seeing colors more vibrantly.
• 17:53
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 17:53
  SPEAKER_02: So that was kind of interesting.
• 17:54
  SPEAKER_02: They they did these, I don't know if they were informal interviews on the streets of New York and there's some interesting color stuff that's well, what do you think about green?
• 18:05
  SPEAKER_02: So green is interesting because they did some research on peoples like in Africa and other places that had never been influenced by by Western culture until recently.
• 18:18
  SPEAKER_02: And they have people who grow up in areas that are very green, like the jungle and other places like that, they don't see green the way that some Westerners do, where it was like green is this whole thing of green.
• 18:33
  SPEAKER_02: The lawn is green, the leaves are green.
• 18:35
  SPEAKER_02: They have different names for individual colors, and they can discern because they've been taught the difference between two greens that we wouldn't even see as green.
• 18:46
  SPEAKER_02: Other cultures all all over the world will have different names for different colors, where Westerners might be like, those are both blue.
• 18:52
  SPEAKER_02: Yep.
• 18:53
  SPEAKER_02: But it's like, no, that's blue, and then another name.
• 18:55
  SPEAKER_03: And how can you mix those up?
• 18:57
  SPEAKER_03: They aren't the same.
• 18:57
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 18:58
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 18:58
  SPEAKER_02: So it's it's it's it's really interesting because a lot about color is perception, how it's been taught, and then how it's been named.
• 19:06
  SPEAKER_02: If you have a name for it, you start to see it if you're shown it.
• 19:09
  SPEAKER_02: And definition, you know?
• 19:11
  SPEAKER_02: So there are some this green.
• 19:13
  SPEAKER_02: This green, I'm going to put on the S tier.
• 19:16
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, okay.
• 19:17
  SPEAKER_02: Peter, you can thank me later.
• 19:19
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, that that's Peter's green, isn't it?
• 19:20
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 19:21
  SPEAKER_03: Close to it.
• 19:21
  SPEAKER_03: That's close to Kelly green.
• 19:22
  SPEAKER_02: Well, for Peter, S tier.
• 19:24
  SPEAKER_02: But also, you gotta have that to make your monitor work.
• 19:28
  SPEAKER_02: You gotta have the RGB.
• 19:29
  SPEAKER_03: Yep.
• 19:30
  SPEAKER_03: That is very true.
• 19:31
  SPEAKER_03: It's doing a disservice to some of these colors how vibrant the red and the green are compared to some of the others.
• 19:36
  SPEAKER_03: Let's look at the the two purples.
• 19:38
  SPEAKER_01: So I was told that purple and violet are different, and many people would differentiate.
• 19:45
  SPEAKER_01: This is your purple, and that's your purple.
• 19:46
  SPEAKER_01: This is your violet.
• 19:48
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, that sounds reasonable to me.
• 19:50
  SPEAKER_03: I don't know.
• 19:50
  SPEAKER_03: Isaac's frowning though.
• 19:52
  SPEAKER_02: I don't see either of those as purple.
• 19:55
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, I think actually you're right.
• 19:56
  SPEAKER_03: The the purple that we have as purple is it's too red?
• 20:01
  SPEAKER_03: It's too lavender.
• 20:02
  SPEAKER_02: Like it's pushing that that way.
• 20:03
  SPEAKER_02: It's Hilock, kind of.
• 20:05
  SPEAKER_02: But it is a purple.
• 20:07
  SPEAKER_02: It's in that family, right?
• 20:09
  SPEAKER_02: And then the other one we're pushing more toward a magenta.
• 20:12
  SPEAKER_02: Yep.
• 20:12
  SPEAKER_02: A fuchsia.
• 20:14
  SPEAKER_02: Do we get to name these later like marketers?
• 20:16
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 20:17
  SPEAKER_02: Be like, okay, I'm marketing a car, and this needs to be like uh, this is like Neon Tokyo Magenta, right?
• 20:25
  SPEAKER_02: And it's like, oh, I bought my car in Neon Tokyo Magenta.
• 20:28
  SPEAKER_02: Uh-huh.
• 20:29
  SPEAKER_02: Or what's the name of our red?
• 20:30
  SPEAKER_02: Dragon Steel Dragon Flame Fire Burning Bright Red.
• 20:33
  SPEAKER_02: We are open to licensing if uh any of the car companies want to use that name and and borrow our color.
• 20:41
  SPEAKER_02: It's expensive though.
• 20:43
  SPEAKER_03: Yep.
• 20:44
  SPEAKER_03: You gotta send us cars.
• 20:45
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 20:46
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 20:48
  SPEAKER_03: We need to test the car and see if it looks right.
• 20:50
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 20:51
  SPEAKER_03: We need at least two test models.
• 20:53
  SPEAKER_02: Two test models.
• 20:54
  SPEAKER_02: Yep.
• 20:54
  SPEAKER_02: We will review them on air.
• 20:56
  SPEAKER_01: Yep.
• 20:57
  SPEAKER_01: Episode in the Tesla.
• 20:58
  SPEAKER_01: It'd be great.
• 20:59
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 21:00
  SPEAKER_01: All right.
• 21:00
  SPEAKER_01: Well, where would you put them, Isaac?
• 21:02
  SPEAKER_01: I apologize.
• 21:02
  SPEAKER_02: He's not so so since the more magenta one is closer to magenta and we need cyan, magenta, yellow, and black to do printing, I would put that on S.
• 21:15
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 21:16
  SPEAKER_02: S tier, obviously.
• 21:17
  SPEAKER_02: Mm-hmm.
• 21:18
  SPEAKER_02: So an interesting thing is you can do going back to the Zorn palette, you can do variations on the Zorn palette.
• 21:24
  SPEAKER_02: Howard's done this where he's like taken these obnoxious colors.
• 21:27
  SPEAKER_02: Instead of a red, he'll get like this sort of like ultramarine purple or something and use that as his red, but still keep it to four colors.
• 21:36
  SPEAKER_02: It's really cool looking.
• 21:37
  SPEAKER_02: Like you can come up with these really unique color palettes that way by limiting yourself.
• 21:43
  SPEAKER_02: But I imagine on another Cosmere world, somebody's figured out printing where it's not CMYK.
• 21:49
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 21:49
  SPEAKER_02: It's like something else.
• 21:50
  SPEAKER_02: They're like, we need five colors because of this.
• 21:54
  SPEAKER_02: And they have their own version of the Zorn palette.
• 21:56
  SPEAKER_02: And they have their own version of the Zorn palette.
• 21:58
  SPEAKER_02: The other purple, obviously, S tier.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_02: It's not close enough to Harry Potter purple.
• 22:02
  SPEAKER_02: That's like a lavender-ish.
• 22:04
  SPEAKER_02: I'm gonna put that in B next to it.
• 22:06
  SPEAKER_02: Oh yeah, there.
• 22:07
  SPEAKER_02: That yellow and that that that lavender look okay together.
• 22:11
  SPEAKER_03: So whatever tier they are on, as long as they're together, they'll be fine.
• 22:14
  SPEAKER_03: They have to, yeah.
• 22:16
  SPEAKER_03: That's fair.
• 22:17
  SPEAKER_03: So brown.
• 22:19
  SPEAKER_03: So it depends on the brown.
• 22:20
  SPEAKER_02: Well, this brown, whatever this brown is.
• 22:22
  SPEAKER_02: This brown's fine.
• 22:24
  SPEAKER_02: I'm glad it's not puce.
• 22:26
  SPEAKER_02: Like I don't even know what puce is.
• 22:28
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, uh, I don't know if you remember, but at Cosmere House before we painted the trim.
• 22:33
  SPEAKER_02: It was puce.
• 22:34
  SPEAKER_02: The trim was puce.
• 22:35
  SPEAKER_02: I do not remember.
• 22:36
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, just think about how that word sounds, and that's sort of how the color looks.
• 22:40
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 22:41
  SPEAKER_02: Anyway, I'm glad you don't have that on here.
• 22:43
  SPEAKER_02: This brown is fine.
• 22:45
  SPEAKER_02: The hard thing here is that I love how we can see all the different colors, right?
• 22:52
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, I'm gonna put this S.
• 22:54
  SPEAKER_02: Alright.
• 22:57
  SPEAKER_02: But only because it's close to the color of your jacket.
• 23:00
  SPEAKER_03: S tier.
• 23:01
  SPEAKER_02: Alright, pink.
• 23:03
  SPEAKER_02: This is not a hot pink.
• 23:05
  SPEAKER_02: This isn't.
• 23:05
  SPEAKER_02: This is like we're having a girl pink.
• 23:08
  SPEAKER_03: Yep.
• 23:09
  SPEAKER_03: Not even that.
• 23:10
  SPEAKER_03: It's well, it's it's in between that and salmon.
• 23:12
  SPEAKER_02: It's light.
• 23:12
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 23:13
  SPEAKER_02: Do you know you probably knew this, but like in England, especially before we had the word pink, they would call this color rose.
• 23:20
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, really?
• 23:22
  SPEAKER_03: That explains like I've seen things called rose that don't look like roses that are this color.
• 23:28
  SPEAKER_02: They called this rose.
• 23:29
  SPEAKER_02: And before I don't know where the word pink came from.
• 23:32
  SPEAKER_02: Probably the singer.
• 23:34
  SPEAKER_03: But yeah, I'm sure that she does not predate the the term.
• 23:38
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, definitely.
• 23:39
  SPEAKER_03: That was not yeah.
• 23:40
  SPEAKER_03: S tier.
• 23:42
  SPEAKER_02: I like pink.
• 23:43
  SPEAKER_02: I'm gonna go I'm gonna go S tier on that one.
• 23:46
  SPEAKER_02: Wow.
• 23:47
  SPEAKER_02: Brendan, you don't have anything that's not S tier.
• 23:50
  SPEAKER_02: Oh well, grayscale.
• 23:51
  SPEAKER_02: What about grayscale?
• 23:53
  SPEAKER_02: We got two grays.
• 23:55
  SPEAKER_02: Which one do you want?
• 23:56
  SPEAKER_02: The Coco Co one?
• 23:58
  SPEAKER_02: Coco Co or 808080.
• 24:01
  SPEAKER_02: 808080.
• 24:02
  SPEAKER_02: Those are both some nice grays.
• 24:04
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, so my associations with these are like, okay, how do I do the things that I do without certain colors?
• 24:11
  SPEAKER_02: And value is so important when you are creating art, right?
• 24:17
  SPEAKER_02: But if I'm mixing colors, I can mix both the black and the white, and I can get these two colors.
• 24:24
  SPEAKER_02: So if I'm trying to put these on tiers of like I can't do without them, and I can make those colors from others, I'm gonna put those at a solid C with the idea because I can create them if I need to.
• 24:40
  SPEAKER_03: S tier.
• 24:42
  SPEAKER_03: And there we are.
• 24:44
  SPEAKER_03: We have our tiers.
• 24:45
  SPEAKER_03: Oh wait, there's one left.
• 24:47
  SPEAKER_02: That's not orange, that's like yellow orange.
• 24:50
  SPEAKER_02: That's the closest I'm gonna get to a yellow that I need for a CMYK.
• 24:56
  SPEAKER_02: So I'm gonna put that on S tier.