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Patriots Unfiltered 4/22: Draft Preview, Trade Scenarios, DeMario Douglas In-Studio · Patriots Unfiltered

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  Speaker 4: on a Tuesday, just two days ahead of the draft,
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  Speaker 6: This is a first.
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  Speaker 4: it's vacation week, it's school vacation, so we're not going
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  Speaker 4: week in New England. You got the playoffs going on
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  Speaker 4: But but Evan and Paula here, we'll bring you to
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  Speaker 4: the next couple hours for It's unfiltered. Not a whole lot.
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  Speaker 4: I don't think has really changed in terms of what
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  Speaker 4: most people feel about the direction that we're gonna go.
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  Speaker 4: But I did think there was some interesting stuff from
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  Speaker 4: Adam Schefter on Monday.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, sort of like a big catch.
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  Speaker 4: All draft notebook kind of thing with a lot of
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  Speaker 4: tidbits in it, some interesting items in there, anything in
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  Speaker 4: particular stick out to you.
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  Speaker 6: Well, I always go back to remembering I think it
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  Speaker 6: was last year that Bill Belichick was on one of
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  Speaker 6: his draft paloozas at some point in his media tour,
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  Speaker 6: and he just said that the twenty four to forty
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  Speaker 6: eight hours before the draft is when the real information
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  Speaker 6: starts to come out, you know, all the other stuff
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  Speaker 6: is really kind of smoke. And then we get right
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  Speaker 6: before the draft and some of the reporting starts to
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  Speaker 6: be more accurate to what is actually going to happen.
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  Speaker 6: So I actually pay a ton of attention to what
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  Speaker 6: comes out over the next couple of days. I would
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  Speaker 6: agree because of that and a couple of the things
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  Speaker 6: that stood out to me. Peter Schrager this morning on
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  Speaker 6: ESPN Now on ESPN from NFL Network reported that the
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  Speaker 6: Browns and the Giants are both fielding trade calls for
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  Speaker 6: the number two and number three pick, and he mentioned
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  Speaker 6: three players that could possibly entice teams to trade up.
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  Speaker 6: Hunter and Abdul Carter are obvious, but he also mentioned
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  Speaker 6: Ashton Genty, which I find interesting for the Patriots because
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  Speaker 6: it stands the reason if Paul, if there's three players
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  Speaker 6: that teams are interested in, could the fourth overall pick
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  Speaker 6: have some value and be for sale if a team
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  Speaker 6: wants to come up and get Genty as well. So
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  Speaker 6: maybe the Patriots do factor into that. Could they trade
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  Speaker 6: up a spot to secure one of those other two guys? Possibly,
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  Speaker 6: But I look at it more as maybe a team
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  Speaker 6: might trade up to four forget.
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  Speaker 4: With you about genty because I think people have tied
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  Speaker 4: him to Jacksonville a little bit at five. So if
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  Speaker 4: you wanted to get in front of Jacksonville, obviously, who's
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  Speaker 4: in front of Jacksonville at five? The Patriots at four?
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  Speaker 4: I do, I do want to just let everybody know
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  Speaker 4: Fred is just running a little bit late. He didn't
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  Speaker 4: stumble through a couple of things for you know, just
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  Speaker 4: And who wouldn't want the opportunity to get left all
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  Speaker 4: by ourselves on a radio show two days before that
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  Speaker 4: the NFL Draft. I mean, that sounds like a great
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  Speaker 4: opportunity to me.
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  Speaker 6: It does sounds great, and you have a lot of
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  Speaker 6: great jobs in the stadium on game day. You can.
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  Speaker 6: We talked last week on catch training to you he
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  Speaker 6: was a hawker, you know, walking around. That's what that
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  Speaker 6: show checks with waters and uh and you know whatever
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  Speaker 6: peanuts or whatever else they have to sell, So you
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  Speaker 6: never know, could get involved.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah. So I do think the Schreger thing, and you
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  Speaker 4: just caught me up to speed on that just as
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  Speaker 4: we were coming on the air. I do think there's
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  Speaker 4: some interesting that this should be some interest in those
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  Speaker 4: kinds of reports. I think Rabel said it last week
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  Speaker 4: and is a week ago today his pre draft press
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  Speaker 4: conference when he was asked about any movement, any calls,
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  Speaker 4: and he said it's a little early for that.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: So now, as as Evan said, you're within that forty
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  Speaker 4: eight hour window, I would expect things to sort of
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  Speaker 4: start to perk up in terms of, you know, rumors
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  Speaker 4: like that. And I would also think there's probably some
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  Speaker 4: desperation on the part not maybe desperation is a strong word,
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  Speaker 4: but some urgency on the part of Cleveland and the
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  Speaker 4: Giants to sort of drum up interest in those those
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  Speaker 4: two picks. Because because this hasn't been a year, a
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  Speaker 4: typical year in my opinion with those picks have had
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  Speaker 4: as much value as they've had in the past for
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  Speaker 4: obvious reasons that we've talked about. But yeah, I would
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  Speaker 4: imagine they're taking one last, you know, attempt to try
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  Speaker 4: to see if they can drum up some more interest.
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  Speaker 6: Absolutely, and and fielding calls is obviously very different than
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  Speaker 6: actually making a trade. You know, last year, I think
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  Speaker 6: the Patriots, we saw it on on hard Knocks with
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  Speaker 6: the Giants calling for the pick. They technically fielded calls
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  Speaker 6: about the pick, but it was a quick we're good,
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  Speaker 6: you know, we're gonna we're gonna stick and pick here.
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  Speaker 6: But it's always fascinating when the pick is not a quarterback,
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  Speaker 6: like you know, you're not going to be taking a
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  Speaker 6: quarterback at set number two or number three. Most likely
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  Speaker 6: it's not. It's a non quarterback heavy draft, so it's
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  Speaker 6: always interesting in terms of value what you can actually
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  Speaker 6: get out of that pick. Now, obviously the further you
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  Speaker 6: move down, the more you might get better in a trade.
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  Speaker 6: But you know, I go back to that Will Anderson
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  Speaker 6: trade a couple of years ago with the Texans, but
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  Speaker 6: the Texans moved up nine spots to make that trade happen. Now,
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  Speaker 6: that's a significant amount of spots to move up if
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  Speaker 6: you're only moving up a couple spots and it's not
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  Speaker 6: for a quarterback, Like, how much value does that pick
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  Speaker 6: really have? Will probably ultimately decide whether or not any
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  Speaker 6: of these teams move. But I looked at that report
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  Speaker 6: again and I saw Genty's name in there, and I
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  Speaker 6: think for the Patriots, that's almost the best case scenario,
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  Speaker 6: is that some team is so infatuated with Ashton Genty.
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  Speaker 4: I think we've got a visitor. Oh it's Aaron Sulkin. No, Aaron,
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  Speaker 4: who do you have with you?
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  Speaker 6: We can put him right in the middle here, all right.
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  Speaker 4: All right here? To Mario Douglas, I only call you
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  Speaker 4: to Mario, do you know that I think I'm the
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  Speaker 4: only one in the media that because I don't really
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  Speaker 4: know you that well, I don't feel like we're on
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  Speaker 4: a nickname basis.
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  Speaker 7: Now we can get there is nothing you know.
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  Speaker 4: I know you don't know who I am because I
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  Speaker 4: haven't been in the locker on the whole lot since
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  Speaker 4: you've been on the team, even though I've been here
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  Speaker 4: for a million years. But to Mario Douglas and a
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  Speaker 4: very welcome guest here I was not a surprise guest. Yeah,
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  Speaker 4: I didn't know. Well, they don't tell us. I wasn't prepared,
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  Speaker 4: So so Evan was our I'm sure you know. Evan.
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  Speaker 6: Hey, good to see it.
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  Speaker 4: So what brings you by today? I know that there's
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  Speaker 4: a start of a sort of a a voluntary veteran
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  Speaker 4: kind of mini camp going on. Is that the sort
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  Speaker 4: of the phase that we're in with the oas right now?
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  Speaker 7: Me and a volunteer workouts?
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  Speaker 4: And what's that process been like?
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  Speaker 7: So it's been good.
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  Speaker 10: You know, we got most of the team here and
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  Speaker 10: I feel like everybody bought in and Ma and the
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  Speaker 10: coaches are doing a good job, you know, teaching us
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  Speaker 10: the new stuff and you know, taking care of us.
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  Speaker 6: This is a new for you, I believe because the
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  Speaker 6: first year coach and all that kind of stuff, so
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  Speaker 6: you don't always see the voluntary mini camps. Is this
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  Speaker 6: a little different for you this time around with with
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  Speaker 6: coach Rabel being a first year coach at least here
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  Speaker 6: in New England? And have you ever done of these before?
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  Speaker 6: A voluntary mini camp?
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  Speaker 4: Oh?
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, I did last year.
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  Speaker 10: One last year, Yeah, I had one last year and
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  Speaker 10: you know, because I had a new coach every year
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  Speaker 10: since I've been here, so I mean I always been
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  Speaker 10: here early.
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  Speaker 7: But you know, I feel like it's it's good work.
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  Speaker 10: You know, I'm getting to learn, we all getting to learn,
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  Speaker 10: you know, to playbook early.
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  Speaker 6: So it's good Josh McDaniels back as the offensive coordinator.
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  Speaker 6: And I think one of the things that we all
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  Speaker 6: think about when we think of Josh as the slot
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  Speaker 6: receiver in your position, in particular playing in the slot.
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  Speaker 6: Have you have you watched any film of past Patriots offenses.
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  Speaker 6: I know you've done that before a little bit, but
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  Speaker 6: just knowing his success with players like yourself, you know,
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  Speaker 6: Julian Edelman, Wes Welker, How exciting is that to have
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  Speaker 6: an offensive coordinator that that can use you like that?
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  Speaker 7: Man, that's very exciting.
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  Speaker 10: Man. I was, you know, I was happy when I
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  Speaker 10: heard his name, you know, him being the OC, and
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  Speaker 10: it's gonna be a blessing, you know, to have him
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  Speaker 10: as the OC.
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  Speaker 7: And I know what he does.
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  Speaker 10: I've seen what he does with I meant while I
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  Speaker 10: was playing with you know, Jacobi and man, he.
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  Speaker 7: Just feel like he brings out that slot position.
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  Speaker 4: Do you watch some of the obviously there's a lot
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  Speaker 4: of guys that have had a lot of success, a
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  Speaker 4: lot of production in that role. If you watch a
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  Speaker 4: lot of those guys like Wes Welker and Julian Edelman
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  Speaker 4: and Jroy Brown.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, most definitely.
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  Speaker 10: As I you know, as soon as I came in,
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  Speaker 10: you know, I feel like Bill made a clip for
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  Speaker 10: me of all the top you know, they slots that
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  Speaker 10: they had and I mean what they did good and
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  Speaker 10: you know what they did bad, and you know what
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  Speaker 10: they what they could fix. Well, they can't face them
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  Speaker 10: a bit because they you know, they successful. But you
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  Speaker 10: know he was just showing me, you know, the ropes
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  Speaker 10: and how they became successful.
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  Speaker 6: I know it's a long way to the season, but
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  Speaker 6: is there any sort of goals you have in mind
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  Speaker 6: or areas that you want to improve on this offseason
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  Speaker 6: to potentially take it to the next level.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 10: I just want to push I say my room, push
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  Speaker 10: my room to I feel like for us to compete,
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  Speaker 10: the better one man is the better the next one
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  Speaker 10: be as we compete.
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  Speaker 6: You know.
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  Speaker 10: So I want our room to be that that room
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  Speaker 10: that brings the energy.
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  Speaker 4: So that's interesting. You talked about when you want to
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  Speaker 4: push the room. Do you feel as a third year guy. Now,
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  Speaker 4: coming into your third year, you feel a little bit
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  Speaker 4: more comfortable maybe with leadership kind of role. And how
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  Speaker 4: do you think that that might you might be able
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  Speaker 4: to manifest that, like and you want to push the room?
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  Speaker 7: How so I just gotta step outside my box.
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  Speaker 10: You know, I'm the person at least by example, I
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  Speaker 10: don't really you know, talk a lot, you know, but
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  Speaker 10: you know, I feel like it's that time, you know,
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  Speaker 10: get out my box and you know, just start to
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  Speaker 10: put my foot down, like, Okay, this is not how
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  Speaker 10: I supposed to go.
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  Speaker 7: This is how it supposed to go.
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  Speaker 10: And you know, if I feel like somebody's slacking and
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  Speaker 10: I know their potential, I'm gonna push them.
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  Speaker 7: You know.
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  Speaker 10: We have we have a good room right now, and
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  Speaker 10: we're definitely competing, you know, and I can see it
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  Speaker 10: in the room.
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  Speaker 7: It's competition. I love it.
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  Speaker 10: So like I say, the best, the best, the top
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  Speaker 10: man is the best, the next man gonna be.
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  Speaker 4: So you do have a new member in that room,
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  Speaker 4: right Yeah, But obviously Stefan Diggs is newest.
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  Speaker 7: Him and Matt Wilson and I met Wilson.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, Mac Collins, but I just curious to your thoughts
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  Speaker 4: of Steph. And you know, I don't know if you
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  Speaker 4: knew him much before, you know, as a younger guy.
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  Speaker 4: I don't know how much interaction you've had with him,
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  Speaker 4: But what if your impression span of him and man.
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  Speaker 7: Uh, you can tell he's a super vet, good vet.
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  Speaker 10: And man, I when we used to my first year
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  Speaker 10: playing the Bills against the Bills, that's when I first
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  Speaker 10: met him, you know, and he was like, he was like, man,
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  Speaker 10: I like a game, so uh, you know that first
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  Speaker 10: game we played Bills was here. That was actually my
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  Speaker 10: first game actually like breaking out as like that player.
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  Speaker 7: Like everybody like, oh man, this get the kid can play.
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  Speaker 10: And as I met that's when I met Steph you know,
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  Speaker 10: on the field after the game and he was like, man,
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  Speaker 10: keep balling. And then I feel like every time we
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  Speaker 10: played Steph, man, I always ran into him and he
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  Speaker 10: always gave me, you know, good advice. It's crazy that
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  Speaker 10: we're on the same team now and now I get
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  Speaker 10: that avice. I get that advice every day now.
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  Speaker 4: You know, might be good at because I think you
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  Speaker 4: had a pretty strong game against Houston too, right, Yeah,
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  Speaker 4: So when Steph is on the field, pop pops up.
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  Speaker 4: That's how it works.
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  Speaker 6: It's true talking about that that Houston game, I was
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  Speaker 6: Drake's first start and it feels like it's come a
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  Speaker 6: long way since then. What have you observed of him
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  Speaker 6: so far this offseason? I think there's been some maybe
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  Speaker 6: from yourself at some of the events along the way,
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  Speaker 6: that he's a little bit more. Uh, his leadership is
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  Speaker 6: like starting to come out a little bit more here.
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  Speaker 10: And his confidence, you know, his confidence you know through
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  Speaker 10: the roof, and I want to keep it there, you know,
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  Speaker 10: and that's by all us doing our job to help him,
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  Speaker 10: you know, make it easier for him. But he's becoming
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  Speaker 10: a good leader and he's more vocal than ever, and
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  Speaker 10: in the huddle is different. You know, when we first
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  Speaker 10: got there, it was like super fast.
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  Speaker 7: He was like nervous.
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  Speaker 10: But now when he's in there, like he says it
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  Speaker 10: with swagger now, and that's how you know, he has
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  Speaker 10: that confidence. And when somebody plays with confidence, they play good.
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  Speaker 10: And that's what we need out of him, and I
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  Speaker 10: know we're gonna get that out of him.
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  Speaker 6: Was there anything that from his rookie season, you know
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  Speaker 6: last year that you took him by surprise, took you
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  Speaker 6: by surprise about Drake or something that you learned about
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  Speaker 6: him just playing with him last year.
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  Speaker 7: Man, he plays with tough grit, you know. Man, I've
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  Speaker 7: seen him get hit.
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  Speaker 10: One play he went out and I'm like, oh man,
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  Speaker 10: he's out this game.
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  Speaker 7: I'm sick.
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  Speaker 10: I ain't gonna I was like, oh man, my boyott.
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  Speaker 10: But then you know, he came back.
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  Speaker 7: That was a hit.
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  Speaker 10: Like we all like, oh man, he out for a
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  Speaker 10: cussing for sure, and he came back on the sideline.
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  Speaker 7: I'm ready to go. I'm ready to play for my boys.
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  Speaker 7: And that shows a lot.
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  Speaker 10: You know, that shows a lot that you know, he
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  Speaker 10: got our back, so you know, we got to have
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  Speaker 10: his back no matter what.
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  Speaker 6: Really quick last question, what, uh you got any plans
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  Speaker 6: for the draft on Thursday night? Or do you watch it?
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  Speaker 6: Like how do you watch it? You all get together
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  Speaker 6: or something like that.
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  Speaker 7: Now, yeah, sey'all.
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  Speaker 10: For the past these past years, I always had I
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  Speaker 10: had a boy in there, so I have some people
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  Speaker 10: in there, so I watched it.
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  Speaker 7: I watched it draft to see.
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  Speaker 10: My boys get drafted or you know, go to a team.
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  Speaker 10: And I'm very supportive of the guys, you know, especially
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  Speaker 10: from my hometown.
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  Speaker 7: You know, not allowed to support.
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  Speaker 10: But you know, I'm gonna be that support system from
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  Speaker 10: my hometown for the guys that's that's making it to
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  Speaker 10: the league as be.
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  Speaker 4: You see all those wide receivers, You're like, yeah, we don't.
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  Speaker 7: Need that guy, especially slot guys.
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  Speaker 4: We don't need anything over here. So I appreciate you
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  Speaker 4: taking some time to come down. It's a busy time
• 15:26
  Speaker 4: for the for the organization. You guys are busy doing
• 15:28
  Speaker 4: your on field work and your strength and conditioning stuff.
• 15:31
  Speaker 4: Obviously they're getting prepared for the draft. But thanks for
• 15:33
  Speaker 4: stopping by. Don't be a stranger from any time here
• 15:40
  Speaker 4: to Mario Douglas. I can call them pop now because
• 15:42
  Speaker 4: I I feel like I know him a little bit.
• 15:43
  Speaker 4: I know him a little bit. And even bigger surprise,
• 15:47
  Speaker 4: Fred kersh ladies just coming coming in the side door.
• 15:54
  Speaker 4: So yeah, I didn't I wasn't made aware that having
• 15:58
  Speaker 4: against Yeah, I didn't know that Tomio was was coming
• 16:02
  Speaker 4: to join us, but he was great. I talked a
• 16:04
  Speaker 4: little bit about the the mini camp that's going on
• 16:08
  Speaker 4: right now, sort of the voluntary veteran mini camp that
• 16:11
  Speaker 4: is allowed for first time first year of coaches, and
• 16:15
  Speaker 4: so that process is going well. Talked a lot about
• 16:18
  Speaker 4: the slot stuff, you know, and with with Josh, I
• 16:21
  Speaker 4: think Evan asked him about you know, like sort of
• 16:23
  Speaker 4: that that role. And Josh's offense has been really good.
• 16:27
  Speaker 4: So he'll give you the reads. Read. So I got
• 16:29
  Speaker 4: I got the Patriots one out of the way off
• 16:31
  Speaker 4: the top, so yeah, good, you can do Toyota and
• 16:34
  Speaker 4: the Patriots one.
• 16:34
  Speaker 3: What's the Patriots you.
• 16:35
  Speaker 4: Know, the one for you know, food and beverage and okay,
• 16:40
  Speaker 4: recruit recruiting.
• 16:41
  Speaker 3: Good.
• 16:41
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I remember talking to to I'll be taking the
• 16:45
  Speaker 6: rest of the show off now. I think it might
• 16:47
  Speaker 6: have been his rookie year, but he talked about the
• 16:50
  Speaker 6: cut ups that he talked about with us just now
• 16:53
  Speaker 6: that they gave him of Edelman Welker obviously, I believe
• 16:58
  Speaker 6: Trey Brown might have been his position coach at the time.
• 17:00
  Speaker 6: So there's plenty of Troy Brown stuff on there. Dion Branch,
• 17:04
  Speaker 6: you know, all those players that had played in that
• 17:06
  Speaker 6: role in the past. So it's exciting to see him,
• 17:10
  Speaker 6: you know, with McDaniels and see what maybe they can
• 17:13
  Speaker 6: they can get out of that role again.
• 17:15
  Speaker 4: Great. Yeah, but we get a couple of days out
• 17:18
  Speaker 4: of the draft and I know that Fred, you've been
• 17:20
  Speaker 4: We don't have to get to it right now. Okay,
• 17:22
  Speaker 4: all right, I know Fred's been working on the back
• 17:23
  Speaker 4: of the envelope. I went up and I actually walked
• 17:26
  Speaker 4: in on the research this morning, this very morning, I
• 17:30
  Speaker 4: walked into Fred's office and he was hard at work
• 17:33
  Speaker 4: coming up with his back of the envelope. Guy.
• 17:35
  Speaker 3: And I'm not done yet. Yeah, I've only I've done
• 17:37
  Speaker 3: about four positions.
• 17:38
  Speaker 4: Because you pulled a Paul in college and you waited
• 17:40
  Speaker 4: til the last minute. You're not ready, You're not prepared.
• 17:42
  Speaker 3: I'm busy.
• 17:43
  Speaker 4: Yeah. So Evan and I were talking about just the
• 17:47
  Speaker 4: draft in general and how it's starting to get to
• 17:49
  Speaker 4: that point where you're starting to hear well, the Giants
• 17:52
  Speaker 4: and the Browns are looking to, you know, move down,
• 17:55
  Speaker 4: and there are some teams that are required about moving up.
• 17:58
  Speaker 4: I think both Schefter and Albert Breer specifically cited Denver
• 18:02
  Speaker 4: as one of the very few teams, if not the
• 18:04
  Speaker 4: only team that has expressed interest in moving up.
• 18:06
  Speaker 3: Is that right?
• 18:08
  Speaker 4: You know earlier this week, but now you're starting to
• 18:11
  Speaker 4: I think Evan talked about Peter Schrager had a report
• 18:15
  Speaker 4: that there's some interest on the Browns and the Giants
• 18:17
  Speaker 4: maybe being willing partners to move down, so we'll see
• 18:22
  Speaker 4: how that might impact potentially the Patriots.
• 18:25
  Speaker 3: So I was doing a little exercise driving in and
• 18:28
  Speaker 3: as you know, I have a long commute, so I
• 18:30
  Speaker 3: get to think a lot, and I know, and at
• 18:32
  Speaker 3: first it started like, why am I even thinking about this?
• 18:34
  Speaker 3: It didn't happen, so why waste time? But what you
• 18:38
  Speaker 3: just said, maybe make it a worthwhile exercise. And the
• 18:42
  Speaker 3: exercise is this, what if the Patriots had won that
• 18:46
  Speaker 3: I mean, had lost that last game of the season,
• 18:49
  Speaker 3: and they had the number one pick, and everything else
• 18:52
  Speaker 3: just moves down from there. Patriots, in my little exercise,
• 18:56
  Speaker 3: in that case, picked Travis Hunter. Okay, next up is
• 19:03
  Speaker 3: the same team that would be picking number one Tennessee.
• 19:05
  Speaker 3: They pick cam Ward and then I'm assuming the Giants,
• 19:10
  Speaker 3: who they would be third, now right, Cleveland would be third.
• 19:14
  Speaker 3: I'm assuming they pick Abdull Carter in this exercise that
• 19:17
  Speaker 3: I have. So now who's the fourth pick? And I'm
• 19:21
  Speaker 3: thinking through this exercise, you could find the person who
• 19:25
  Speaker 3: would want to move up into the Patriots slot for
• 19:29
  Speaker 3: that player, Like who who in everybody else's mind is
• 19:33
  Speaker 3: that fourth st we're picking camp Will Campbell because there's
• 19:36
  Speaker 3: a need there.
• 19:36
  Speaker 4: Right, And I understand what I'm saying. I understand your
• 19:39
  Speaker 4: exercise that you're doing, but I also think that you
• 19:42
  Speaker 4: you might be missing a step. If the Patriots had
• 19:44
  Speaker 4: the one, yeah, you could say, Tennessee would just sit
• 19:48
  Speaker 4: there and say, well, obviously they're not going to take
• 19:50
  Speaker 4: cam Ward, so I don't have to trade out.
• 19:51
  Speaker 3: Oh, somebody would trade.
• 19:52
  Speaker 4: Somebody else might be interested in trading up at one.
• 19:55
  Speaker 4: You're right, yeah, to get ahead of Tennessee to take
• 19:57
  Speaker 4: cam Ward.
• 19:58
  Speaker 6: You're right, Tennessee to move.
• 20:00
  Speaker 4: No one can can get ahead of Tennessee and take
• 20:02
  Speaker 4: camp Ward because, as Evan pointed out before you you
• 20:05
  Speaker 4: joined us, Tennessee certainly seems to be locked in at
• 20:08
  Speaker 4: this point. They're taking Ward at one, so they're not
• 20:11
  Speaker 4: really interested in trading. Even though my good everybody Mike
• 20:15
  Speaker 4: Boganzi has let everybody know that they're open to anything,
• 20:19
  Speaker 4: it certainly seems like they've locked in on camp Ward.
• 20:23
  Speaker 4: So that that's how it would change. Someone might want
• 20:27
  Speaker 4: to trade with the Patriots that flie down, and then
• 20:29
  Speaker 4: it would depend on whoever the fourth team is. It
• 20:31
  Speaker 4: totally depends on who that team is okay. So like
• 20:33
  Speaker 4: if it's jackson if it's Jacksonville, I don't know, they might,
• 20:36
  Speaker 4: they might not. I mean, I don't think to your point,
• 20:39
  Speaker 4: I don't think that a lot of teams would take
• 20:40
  Speaker 4: Will Campbell at four. The Patriots have a dramatic need
• 20:43
  Speaker 4: at less tame.
• 20:44
  Speaker 3: So in my exercise, who do you think is the
• 20:48
  Speaker 3: player after Carter that most teams would want as really?
• 20:55
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I think just in this draft and the closer
• 20:58
  Speaker 6: that we get to the draft, I think you're here
• 21:00
  Speaker 6: more and more that there's three consensus blue chip talents
• 21:05
  Speaker 6: in this draft. He's one of them, and some teams
• 21:08
  Speaker 6: I think are trying not to reach on need at
• 21:11
  Speaker 6: the top of the draft. And if you're just gonna
• 21:13
  Speaker 6: pick the best player available in that spot, it would
• 21:16
  Speaker 6: probably be genty And maybe a team that's a little
• 21:19
  Speaker 6: bit more better equipped on the offensive line, feels like
• 21:22
  Speaker 6: they're in a better spot, would be willing to trade
• 21:24
  Speaker 6: up even now, you know, to fourth overall to.
• 21:27
  Speaker 3: Take going to be number five picked.
• 21:30
  Speaker 6: I think, yeah, I think, yeah, I don't know. You know.
• 21:34
  Speaker 6: The one thing that always holds up for what Jacksonville though,
• 21:38
  Speaker 6: is is that they have an analytics guru.
• 21:41
  Speaker 4: And totally new regime too, so you'll have a book
• 21:44
  Speaker 4: on them.
• 21:44
  Speaker 6: Yeah, but you know, Gladstone's a he's a Nert like
• 21:48
  Speaker 6: he's he's an analytics guy. So to take a running
• 21:50
  Speaker 6: back at that spot is probably not typically what you
• 21:53
  Speaker 6: would see them do.
• 21:54
  Speaker 4: This is what you're supposed to say.
• 21:58
  Speaker 8: But if I guess, actually, who is the best player
• 22:04
  Speaker 8: on the board for pretty much every team, if that
• 22:06
  Speaker 8: scenario were to play out, you know Ward, Travis Hunter,
• 22:10
  Speaker 8: Abdul Carter, the next best player is is Genty?
• 22:13
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and what about Tyler Warren? I think he's probably
• 22:16
  Speaker 4: a top ten consensus guy. Yeah, probably is no one.
• 22:21
  Speaker 4: I think it's the eye of the beholder. It's a
• 22:24
  Speaker 4: flavor for all of these guys. I think you could
• 22:26
  Speaker 4: say Will Campbell, Ashton Genty, my guy, Jalen Walker, you
• 22:30
  Speaker 4: know ty Warren. I think some people like the other.
• 22:33
  Speaker 4: You know, Coloston Lovelin better than Tyler Warren, you know,
• 22:36
  Speaker 4: even as a tight end. But I think that you
• 22:39
  Speaker 4: could ask ten teams who the other you know that
• 22:42
  Speaker 4: the fourth player is, and you might get eight answers.
• 22:44
  Speaker 3: So if we weren't picking fourth, and I think they're
• 22:48
  Speaker 3: gonna pick Campbell. I don't know, But who do you
• 22:51
  Speaker 3: think would be the fourth player? I mean, well, no,
• 22:55
  Speaker 3: I'm sorry. If we didn't pick Will Campbell, where do
• 22:58
  Speaker 3: you think Will Campbell would go?
• 23:01
  Speaker 6: Yeah, it's a good question. I think there's a case
• 23:04
  Speaker 6: to be made that he would slide a little bit
• 23:07
  Speaker 6: if if the Patriots weren't in the position that they're in.
• 23:10
  Speaker 6: I think there certainly.
• 23:11
  Speaker 4: Would be a spot that he could go to the
• 23:13
  Speaker 4: Jets right the seven seven.
• 23:15
  Speaker 6: The Jets, they have a left tackle. You know, they'd
• 23:17
  Speaker 6: be drafting him to pay the right side, I suppose,
• 23:20
  Speaker 6: or maybe even left guard.
• 23:22
  Speaker 4: Yeah, they might not be as disappointed if you had
• 23:24
  Speaker 4: to play guard.
• 23:25
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I could see that. You know, I could still
• 23:28
  Speaker 6: depending on what happens with Colton Miller and all that
• 23:31
  Speaker 6: in Vegas, Like maybe the Raiders would still take him.
• 23:34
  Speaker 6: But the Saints I think are another team. You know,
• 23:38
  Speaker 6: Telusi Fugalo is really a right tackle who they drafted
• 23:41
  Speaker 6: last year in the first round, so you know, he
• 23:43
  Speaker 6: goes back to his natural spot at right tackle. Campbell
• 23:46
  Speaker 6: goes in at left tackle. But I think there's a
• 23:48
  Speaker 6: chance to your point, Fred, I think is what you're
• 23:50
  Speaker 6: getting at that if Campbell didn't go four because the
• 23:53
  Speaker 6: Patriots weren't at four. You could be looking at eight, nine,
• 23:56
  Speaker 6: ten for Campbell and we'll go.
• 23:58
  Speaker 4: Big a picture, Shidoas Sanders doesn't go three to the Giants,
• 24:02
  Speaker 4: there's a very good chance that he doesn't go in
• 24:03
  Speaker 4: the first round, right, Like, that's how much it can be. Now,
• 24:06
  Speaker 4: it's a little different for a quarterback because there's probably
• 24:10
  Speaker 4: only three options, right, You're going from from three is
• 24:14
  Speaker 4: one option, nine to the Saints is two option, and
• 24:17
  Speaker 4: then probably twenty one to the Steelers.
• 24:19
  Speaker 6: Yeah, the Steelers seems three.
• 24:20
  Speaker 3: But the Campbell example is a perfect example of after
• 24:23
  Speaker 3: Hunter and Carter, it's really what do you need? Right, yep,
• 24:28
  Speaker 3: because they're so all of them are so lumped together.
• 24:31
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, there's the point I'm trying to make
• 24:33
  Speaker 6: the whole draft is that the positional need, and I'd
• 24:37
  Speaker 6: also put positional value in there as well, is going
• 24:40
  Speaker 6: to determine a lot of these picks for teams Like there.
• 24:43
  Speaker 6: I don't think that you can sit here and say
• 24:46
  Speaker 6: definitively that Will Campbell is a worse player than Mason Graham,
• 24:51
  Speaker 6: or Will Campbell is the worst player than Tyler Warren,
• 24:54
  Speaker 6: Like I think you can make cases for either one
• 24:56
  Speaker 6: of those guys. I think it's kind of a I agree.
• 24:59
  Speaker 3: So they said that, you know, this is the first
• 25:02
  Speaker 3: draft that there hasn't been a first round trade.
• 25:07
  Speaker 4: Yeah, this is as late as it's the latest as
• 25:09
  Speaker 4: it's been gone. Every team is slated to pick in
• 25:12
  Speaker 4: their original spot.
• 25:13
  Speaker 3: And I'm thinking if the trade, if there is a
• 25:15
  Speaker 3: trade and it doesn't happen among that first three picks,
• 25:19
  Speaker 3: there may not be a trade in this first round
• 25:21
  Speaker 3: because everything is just well, they's so lumped together. There's
• 25:25
  Speaker 3: no reason.
• 25:25
  Speaker 4: That's one of those if we were doing this show,
• 25:28
  Speaker 4: say in you know Arizona or you know Denver, you'd
• 25:34
  Speaker 4: know the specific players that you're looking for and the
• 25:37
  Speaker 4: teams that are ahead of you that you might want
• 25:39
  Speaker 4: to get in front of. I don't know right now
• 25:42
  Speaker 4: who would be.
• 25:42
  Speaker 3: But is there anyone that that that is that good
• 25:45
  Speaker 3: that you'd be willing to give up assets to get
• 25:47
  Speaker 3: in this draft?
• 25:48
  Speaker 6: Yeah, there's definitely a lot of smoke connecting Denver to
• 25:52
  Speaker 6: Colson Lovelin. John Payton calls out the joker position in
• 25:56
  Speaker 6: his offense, you know, the move tight end, and I
• 25:58
  Speaker 6: think that Dave put out there at least that they
• 26:02
  Speaker 6: have sort of an infatuation with Colson Loveland and they
• 26:04
  Speaker 6: could be interested in moving up in the draft to
• 26:07
  Speaker 6: make sure that they get Colson Loveland. But to Paul's point,
• 26:10
  Speaker 6: I do bet. I bet there are teams that have
• 26:13
  Speaker 6: Loveland higher than Tyler Warren.
• 26:15
  Speaker 4: I think Schefter had that, I wouldn't be in his
• 26:18
  Speaker 4: catcher all grab back. He had some interesting things, like
• 26:20
  Speaker 4: he he had one he I think he cited one
• 26:24
  Speaker 4: specific GM that does not even have a first round
• 26:29
  Speaker 4: grade for any of the quarterbacks. Yeah, correct, And then
• 26:34
  Speaker 4: there was another one that said that Sanders does not
• 26:37
  Speaker 4: have a first round grade, but again that doesn't really matter.
• 26:42
  Speaker 4: Like I would, I would argue that there have probably
• 26:47
  Speaker 4: been a ton of quarterbacks chosen over the last ten
• 26:50
  Speaker 4: years that didn't have first round grades. Chosen in the
• 26:52
  Speaker 4: first round. You know, I'm not sure that all six
• 26:55
  Speaker 4: of those guys last year had first round grades. Maybe
• 26:59
  Speaker 4: they did, but I wouldn't be surprised if bow Knicks
• 27:01
  Speaker 4: didn't have a first round grade. But he got taken
• 27:03
  Speaker 4: in the first round, and so far he looks like,
• 27:06
  Speaker 4: you know, perfectly fine picked. I think quarterbacks often get drafted,
• 27:12
  Speaker 4: you know, ahead of their value for obvious reasons. And
• 27:15
  Speaker 4: we'll see if that happens to Sanders or not.
• 27:16
  Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, yeah, and yeah.
• 27:18
  Speaker 4: The other thing that I think Schefter had was one
• 27:21
  Speaker 4: decision maker said definitively that Ward would have been seven
• 27:25
  Speaker 4: last year. Yeah, behind all six of the of the
• 27:28
  Speaker 4: guys that got taken.
• 27:29
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean what does that say.
• 27:30
  Speaker 3: I mean, like, I don't think there's any chance that uh,
• 27:34
  Speaker 3: Cleveland is it's smoking mirror, is that they they're not
• 27:37
  Speaker 3: going to pick a quarterback.
• 27:39
  Speaker 4: Cleveland's not going to take a quarter I mean the
• 27:40
  Speaker 4: first Tennessee, I don't know, it seems sounds like everything
• 27:44
  Speaker 4: is locked up at this point.
• 27:46
  Speaker 3: But like, do they feel like cam Ward would be
• 27:50
  Speaker 3: the seventh quarterback last year?
• 27:52
  Speaker 4: Yeah? But you know, so, like I'm okay with that
• 27:54
  Speaker 4: as long as he's good. Like bow Knicks was the
• 27:57
  Speaker 4: sixth he played pretty well. Yeah, so just because you
• 28:01
  Speaker 4: fall behind other guys that were successful, I mean, the
• 28:04
  Speaker 4: only one that didn't get to play was McCarthy, right, right, Yeah,
• 28:07
  Speaker 4: the other five showed.
• 28:10
  Speaker 3: Promise, so Atlanta still, No, he didn't play a lot,
• 28:16
  Speaker 3: he didn't play.
• 28:16
  Speaker 4: He only played the last month of the season. But
• 28:18
  Speaker 4: he but he looked like he knew what he was doing.
• 28:20
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I would say that if you put cam warden
• 28:24
  Speaker 6: last year's draft, he's at least in the conversation with
• 28:27
  Speaker 6: the Pennix, McCarthy Knicks tier, Like you could rank.
• 28:31
  Speaker 4: Went ahead of Bonisis.
• 28:34
  Speaker 6: Yeah, like rank them however you want to rank them
• 28:35
  Speaker 6: once you get into that tier, Like he's clearly not
• 28:38
  Speaker 6: in the Caleb Jaden Daniels, and Drake may tier. But
• 28:41
  Speaker 6: I still think he would have been in the conversation
• 28:43
  Speaker 6: with the rest of those guys in last year's draft. So, like,
• 28:47
  Speaker 6: what would he have been? Quarterback seven? Like to maybe
• 28:50
  Speaker 6: to some eyes he would have been right like to
• 28:52
  Speaker 6: some evaluators he would have been, but I think to
• 28:55
  Speaker 6: others he probably would have been the fifth best quarterback
• 28:58
  Speaker 6: or maybe not over penn I think Pennix is probably
• 29:01
  Speaker 6: the one guy that would have been tough for him
• 29:03
  Speaker 6: to grade out higher.
• 29:04
  Speaker 3: Then, So again, you've said it before, it's it's not
• 29:08
  Speaker 3: a star draft, it's a starter draft. I said, it's
• 29:10
  Speaker 3: a blue collar draft. It's a let's just get to work,
• 29:15
  Speaker 3: you know, as I started looking into these players, I've
• 29:19
  Speaker 3: only done a handful of positions so far, there's depth.
• 29:23
  Speaker 3: There's depth that positions, especially edge.
• 29:26
  Speaker 4: I mean, and to your point, I think because this
• 29:30
  Speaker 4: is this is probably two classes at least worth of
• 29:34
  Speaker 4: prospects coming out because of COVID. This is like sort
• 29:36
  Speaker 4: of the I think you can get. You can make
• 29:39
  Speaker 4: a case that the undrafted free agentcy even will have
• 29:44
  Speaker 4: There'll be some talent. There's a good mix of talent.
• 29:46
  Speaker 3: We've been there for six years and then guys who
• 29:48
  Speaker 3: were too junior again.
• 29:49
  Speaker 4: And that's why, like I've been teasing Evan a little
• 29:52
  Speaker 4: bit about the whole starters, Like I don't really care
• 29:54
  Speaker 4: if they're starters. I care if they deserve to be starters.
• 29:58
  Speaker 4: Like there's no doubt the Patriot going to draft guys.
• 30:01
  Speaker 4: I heard on one of my stations this morning. You know,
• 30:07
  Speaker 4: they're gonna they need to come away with three or
• 30:09
  Speaker 4: four starters, And I would just push back on that. No,
• 30:11
  Speaker 4: they need to come away with three or four good
• 30:13
  Speaker 4: starters that you're gonna be able to do. You're gonna
• 30:16
  Speaker 4: want to give a second contract to that, You're gonna
• 30:18
  Speaker 4: want to have be the nucleus of your team moving forward.
• 30:22
  Speaker 4: You know, like this is I don't mean any disrespect,
• 30:24
  Speaker 4: but I'm going to put just names like of guys
• 30:27
  Speaker 4: who have started like last year, like daniel Aqualay and
• 30:31
  Speaker 4: Jilani Tavai. And you know that you know serviceable players,
• 30:36
  Speaker 4: hard working players, but you need to do better than
• 30:38
  Speaker 4: that they start by default, right, and that.
• 30:41
  Speaker 3: You want somebody who they out.
• 30:43
  Speaker 4: Who is those two third round picks that the Patriots have,
• 30:46
  Speaker 4: you know, at at sixty nine and seventy seven, can
• 30:49
  Speaker 4: they find two guys that are like worthy of like
• 30:52
  Speaker 4: displacing the people they're going to replace theming like that,
• 30:55
  Speaker 4: but they're worth it. That would be a home run.
• 30:58
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I looked, there are one of six and there too.
• 31:00
  Speaker 6: I think the four.
• 31:01
  Speaker 4: Of those picks tored pick.
• 31:04
  Speaker 6: I think all four of those picks have a lot
• 31:06
  Speaker 6: of value in a draft like this because there is
• 31:09
  Speaker 6: a lot of depth, to Friend's point, in this class
• 31:11
  Speaker 6: in general, and like this is a draft like nerds draft,
• 31:15
  Speaker 6: Like this is a draft that Day two is probably
• 31:18
  Speaker 6: the most important day of the draft to the Patriots.
• 31:21
  Speaker 6: Take at four overall, they're gonna get a good player,
• 31:23
  Speaker 6: you know, whether it's Campbell, whether it's gent D whoever
• 31:26
  Speaker 6: it is, They're gonna get a good player at four
• 31:28
  Speaker 6: over member according to memboo Jalen Walker.
• 31:31
  Speaker 3: You know whoever, I'm surprised you want Membo.
• 31:34
  Speaker 6: I want Campbell. You know I have Campbell graded higher.
• 31:37
  Speaker 6: But I hear the argument for Membo. You know, he's
• 31:40
  Speaker 6: got the requisite measurables. He's a great athlete, you know,
• 31:43
  Speaker 6: basically the same level of athlete in the combine as
• 31:46
  Speaker 6: Will Campbell was.
• 31:48
  Speaker 3: But he's never played left tackle.
• 31:49
  Speaker 6: He's never played left tackle. But there are examples of
• 31:52
  Speaker 6: guys that have never played left tackle in college.
• 31:55
  Speaker 3: Oh, I know there is. But don't you think that's
• 31:58
  Speaker 3: that's as much, if not a bigger risk then Will
• 32:00
  Speaker 3: Campbell's arm measurement.
• 32:01
  Speaker 4: I would say, I would say it's similar.
• 32:03
  Speaker 6: They can kind of cancel each other out.
• 32:05
  Speaker 4: To me, well, but the other part of it is
• 32:09
  Speaker 4: they're going to need a right tackle too, Like Morgan
• 32:11
  Speaker 4: Moses is a stop day. He's thirty four years old.
• 32:14
  Speaker 3: I know.
• 32:14
  Speaker 4: I know if if it were, if they thought that
• 32:17
  Speaker 4: Membo was that much better than Campbell, I could see
• 32:20
  Speaker 4: Evans argument and just say, well, he's a better player.
• 32:22
  Speaker 4: We're going to take him even if he plays right tackle.
• 32:25
  Speaker 4: And I got to patch it together for another year.
• 32:27
  Speaker 4: I'm going to have my right tackle of the future.
• 32:29
  Speaker 4: That's okay. But if Campbell is better than Membo, then
• 32:33
  Speaker 4: you take Campbell's a left tack.
• 32:35
  Speaker 6: He's got a little bit of a higher ceiling. I think.
• 32:38
  Speaker 6: I think Campbell has a higher floor and is probably
• 32:41
  Speaker 6: a little bit more pro ready right now to step
• 32:43
  Speaker 6: in as a rookie h compared to Membo. But I
• 32:46
  Speaker 6: think Membo's is a length, his wings span, is athleticism,
• 32:50
  Speaker 6: like all of the requisite measurables that he brings to
• 32:53
  Speaker 6: the table probably give him a little bit of a
• 32:55
  Speaker 6: higher ceiling at tackle.
• 32:57
  Speaker 3: Specifically, My plan B for this draft, Plan A is Campbell.
• 33:01
  Speaker 3: Plan B is believe it or not, Tyler Warren and
• 33:05
  Speaker 3: then try like hell to get back in their first
• 33:08
  Speaker 3: round and take somebody like Josh Connery.
• 33:11
  Speaker 6: If you're gonna do that.
• 33:13
  Speaker 4: So I like your plan, and I think that the
• 33:16
  Speaker 4: thing that.
• 33:18
  Speaker 3: I think that you know doesn't I think get talked
• 33:20
  Speaker 3: enough about is the lack of coaching that the offensive
• 33:24
  Speaker 3: line has had over the last few years on this team.
• 33:27
  Speaker 3: And I think that's gonna make a big, big difference.
• 33:29
  Speaker 3: I think it's gonna give a chance for Caleb Williams
• 33:32
  Speaker 3: to have a shot here.
• 33:34
  Speaker 4: I believe that's Kayden Wallace.
• 33:36
  Speaker 3: Kden Wallace. Yeah, I'm mixing up the quarterback for the Bears.
• 33:40
  Speaker 3: But uh Like, I think that coaching has been lacking here.
• 33:45
  Speaker 3: And we've said it before. You don't need five studs
• 33:50
  Speaker 3: on the offensive line if they're well coached.
• 33:53
  Speaker 4: And I think the environment.
• 33:54
  Speaker 3: Here over the last few years was terrible. I think
• 33:57
  Speaker 3: the coaching was subpar, and I think that's really hurt
• 33:59
  Speaker 3: the offensive line. I think hopefully that will be corrected
• 34:04
  Speaker 3: this year with Doug Marone and whether it's Will Campbell
• 34:08
  Speaker 3: or Josh Connery, they're gonna get good coaching and that's
• 34:12
  Speaker 3: going to give them a shot to be good players.
• 34:15
  Speaker 6: I think it's a fair argument. I think that the
• 34:17
  Speaker 6: two things. I like, why not Genty at that point?
• 34:20
  Speaker 6: Like I would just take I would just take Genty
• 34:22
  Speaker 6: over Tyler Warren. But second to that, you know they
• 34:27
  Speaker 6: tried this last year trying to trade back up into
• 34:29
  Speaker 6: the first round to you need a partner to get
• 34:32
  Speaker 6: the run at tackle or receiver. You know there's reports
• 34:36
  Speaker 6: out there that was it was both. You know, one
• 34:38
  Speaker 6: some people say it was for a tackle, some people
• 34:40
  Speaker 6: say it was for a receiver, but they were targeting
• 34:43
  Speaker 6: a position to move up to do this last year,
• 34:45
  Speaker 6: and at the end of the day they couldn't get
• 34:47
  Speaker 6: the trade done, right, So you run that risk, you do.
• 34:50
  Speaker 6: But I think between Connory, Urcery and Simmons, you know,
• 34:54
  Speaker 6: there are three viable tackle options in that twenty to
• 34:58
  Speaker 6: forty range that you could probably get your hand.
• 35:01
  Speaker 3: But he may not be able to play right away.
• 35:03
  Speaker 4: Right yeah, and he probably won't be cleared until August
• 35:07
  Speaker 4: for football, So you know, that's that's tough for a rookie.
• 35:10
  Speaker 6: I think we're talking mid season before you see Josh
• 35:13
  Speaker 6: Simmons at best, you know, because once he's cleared, then
• 35:16
  Speaker 6: he's got to ramp it back up and he's got
• 35:17
  Speaker 6: to get in football shape and get coached.
• 35:20
  Speaker 4: And get nice that we can talk to Fred about
• 35:22
  Speaker 4: these guys now because he's done his research, he's got
• 35:24
  Speaker 4: the back of the end a little bit.
• 35:25
  Speaker 6: A little bit, I can tell that that he likes himself.
• 35:28
  Speaker 6: From Tyler Warren, he's mentioned him.
• 35:29
  Speaker 3: Well, I just think I'm just looking at needs on
• 35:32
  Speaker 3: this team and impact and I think, uh, he could
• 35:37
  Speaker 3: make an immediate impact. You know, I'm not saying he
• 35:39
  Speaker 3: could be Bowers from the Raiders.
• 35:41
  Speaker 4: Not that kind of player. Yeah, different kind, But.
• 35:44
  Speaker 3: I think he can make an immediate impact on this offense.
• 35:47
  Speaker 6: Yeah, he definitely could. I think that The questions that
• 35:51
  Speaker 6: I've had with Tyler Warren the whole time are like,
• 35:53
  Speaker 6: what is his what is his carrying trade? Like, what
• 35:56
  Speaker 6: is his elite carrying trade. He's good at a lot
• 35:59
  Speaker 6: of different.
• 36:00
  Speaker 4: It's just a football player.
• 36:01
  Speaker 6: He's he's I would even say great at some of them.
• 36:04
  Speaker 6: You know, he's a really good blocker. He's a really
• 36:06
  Speaker 6: physical receiver down the field and at the catch point.
• 36:10
  Speaker 6: You know, he's got some versatility certainly, you know, to
• 36:13
  Speaker 6: move around the formation and play from different spots. Even
• 36:16
  Speaker 6: played wildcat quarterback yep, some at Penn State.
• 36:19
  Speaker 3: But with a football players, but what is the.
• 36:21
  Speaker 6: One thing that you look at and you say wow.
• 36:24
  Speaker 6: You know with gent D there's an obvious one. You know,
• 36:27
  Speaker 6: his his contact balance and his ability to break tackles
• 36:30
  Speaker 6: is just next level like with with Warren, and I
• 36:33
  Speaker 6: just worry about the jack of all trades, master of
• 36:36
  Speaker 6: none thing a little bit.
• 36:37
  Speaker 4: Did you watch any They had a like a draft
• 36:40
  Speaker 4: special kind of thing on on genty over the weekend
• 36:43
  Speaker 4: on ESPN. Do you watch any of the high school islines.
• 36:46
  Speaker 4: I'm sure this one particular broken tackle. It's not even
• 36:50
  Speaker 4: just that, like you know, the production, but like he
• 36:53
  Speaker 4: gets you know, when you get like your legs sort
• 36:55
  Speaker 4: of chopped out from under you and like you just
• 36:57
  Speaker 4: go down like a ton of bricks. So he got
• 36:59
  Speaker 4: hit it and got knocked off his legs. But as
• 37:02
  Speaker 4: he was doing it, he spun and he was able
• 37:06
  Speaker 4: to contort his body all the way around and he
• 37:08
  Speaker 4: stayed on his feet. He put the hand down and
• 37:11
  Speaker 4: he remained on his feet despite the tackler really knocking
• 37:15
  Speaker 4: his pins right out from under him. It was like,
• 37:17
  Speaker 4: to your point about his ability to break tackles and
• 37:20
  Speaker 4: play through contact, it wasn't. I mean, I know it
• 37:22
  Speaker 4: was high school and he was obviously so much better
• 37:25
  Speaker 4: than the guys he's playing against, but he did play
• 37:27
  Speaker 4: high school football in Texas.
• 37:28
  Speaker 6: He's also doing it against Oregon and Penn State also,
• 37:31
  Speaker 6: so it's not like it's just those teams. Yeah, he
• 37:34
  Speaker 6: had more yards after contact than any other.
• 37:36
  Speaker 4: Running receiver in the I mean, next leading rusher in there.
• 37:39
  Speaker 6: Had totally rushing yards. Yeah, he had it more after
• 37:42
  Speaker 6: contact than anybody else.
• 37:44
  Speaker 4: Yep, it was over seventeen hundred and the next leading
• 37:46
  Speaker 4: rusher was sixteen hundred.
• 37:48
  Speaker 6: Yeah, nineteen total. Yeah, So if he's gonna if you're
• 37:52
  Speaker 6: ruling out the tackles, if you're taking Campbell and Membo
• 37:54
  Speaker 6: out of it, and you're forgetting about position to need,
• 37:58
  Speaker 6: I just don't know how you don't make the case.
• 38:00
  Speaker 4: You could make a strong argument that the next best
• 38:02
  Speaker 4: player after Carter and Hunter is Genty. Now I would
• 38:05
  Speaker 4: not necessarily want to draft him. I would go Jalen Walker,
• 38:10
  Speaker 4: but I can make an argument for Warren, I can
• 38:12
  Speaker 4: make an argument for Genty certainly all those guys. And
• 38:15
  Speaker 4: that's what I think. The intrigue of this draft starts
• 38:18
  Speaker 4: with the Patriots, because I think people are pretty confident
• 38:22
  Speaker 4: that the top three picks are going to go in
• 38:24
  Speaker 4: some order Ward, Hunter, Catter. But what happens next, I
• 38:29
  Speaker 4: think a lot of people could have different opinions.
• 38:31
  Speaker 3: I mean, if Genty ends up on the Patriots, I'm
• 38:33
  Speaker 3: not going to be complaining's you know.
• 38:35
  Speaker 4: And I have like a you know, I'm sort of
• 38:38
  Speaker 4: I'm tight cast and rightly so as the running backist,
• 38:41
  Speaker 4: like I'm sort of anti running, but I do feel
• 38:44
  Speaker 4: for them, like I've heard a lot of people say
• 38:47
  Speaker 4: Patriots can't take him, like they don't have the offensive line,
• 38:50
  Speaker 4: They're not in the situation. That's like a cherry on
• 38:53
  Speaker 4: the Sunday kind of a pick, you know, like Saquon
• 38:55
  Speaker 4: Barkley to Philly puts them over the top. Well, that's great,
• 39:00
  Speaker 4: But then I hear people say stuff like, well, if
• 39:03
  Speaker 4: I have all those other things, what do I need
• 39:05
  Speaker 4: the running back with the fourth overall pick for right? Like,
• 39:08
  Speaker 4: it's never the running backs time, I like, I do
• 39:10
  Speaker 4: I feel bad for the position?
• 39:12
  Speaker 3: Were always locks for the first round back in the day.
• 39:15
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, it's an interest.
• 39:17
  Speaker 6: They're kind of in the middle because like the teams
• 39:19
  Speaker 6: that have taken running backs in the recent pass in the
• 39:21
  Speaker 6: top ten, the Giants was Saquan the Panthers with McCaffrey,
• 39:26
  Speaker 6: neither one of those teams had a Drake may Right.
• 39:28
  Speaker 6: So it's not apples to apples because when the Giants
• 39:31
  Speaker 6: drafted mccar drafted Barkley, they had a thirty seven year
• 39:35
  Speaker 6: old Eli Manning, Like, it's not Drake may Right. You know.
• 39:38
  Speaker 6: When the Panthers drafted uh McCaffrey, they had Cam. At
• 39:43
  Speaker 6: the end of Cam's run in Carolina. So there the
• 39:46
  Speaker 6: Patriots at least have Drake may to elevate that that
• 39:49
  Speaker 6: ceiling of the offense. But it's also not the Detroit
• 39:52
  Speaker 6: Lions taking Jamir Gibbs, because the Lions already had Penny Sewell,
• 39:56
  Speaker 6: and they already had Jared Goff, and they already had
• 39:58
  Speaker 6: Aman Ross Saint Brown, and they already had had Aiden
• 40:00
  Speaker 6: Hutchinson on defense, like they already had other blue chip
• 40:03
  Speaker 6: players on their roster that was already ascending at that point.
• 40:07
  Speaker 6: So Gibbs was the cherry on top to the Sunday
• 40:11
  Speaker 6: in Detroit. So the Patriots are kind of like right
• 40:13
  Speaker 6: in the middle. They have a young quarterback that's more
• 40:16
  Speaker 6: promising than some of the other teams that have done it,
• 40:18
  Speaker 6: but they're not quite the finished product that the Detroit
• 40:20
  Speaker 6: Lions were. So it's a tough spot to be in.
• 40:23
  Speaker 6: I think to take gent and make it work. You know,
• 40:26
  Speaker 6: they're not quite there, but you could see a path
• 40:30
  Speaker 6: if they can do what Fred was talking about of
• 40:32
  Speaker 6: trading back up and getting that tackle just.
• 40:35
  Speaker 4: Being a selfish I think that might be the pick
• 40:37
  Speaker 4: I would make, like for our purposes, like to talk
• 40:39
  Speaker 4: about to write about for excitement. You know, faned excitement,
• 40:43
  Speaker 4: like I hope get a stud running.
• 40:45
  Speaker 3: I hope in the early days of training camp when
• 40:48
  Speaker 3: it's just you know, helmets and shorts, that he practices
• 40:51
  Speaker 3: without a shirt on.
• 40:53
  Speaker 4: Okay, Mike, I think that would be fun.
• 40:56
  Speaker 6: I do wonder about you know, I went back and
• 40:58
  Speaker 6: watched some of his twenty twenty three As everybody says
• 41:02
  Speaker 6: he was a much better receiver in twenty twenty three.
• 41:04
  Speaker 6: You got to watch the pass catching tape from the
• 41:07
  Speaker 6: season before they used him more in that vein. He's
• 41:09
  Speaker 6: still averaged negative air yards per target in twenty twenty
• 41:13
  Speaker 6: three because they're throwing him screens, right. You know, he's
• 41:16
  Speaker 6: five foot eight, so like he's not like when I
• 41:18
  Speaker 6: hear the Ladanian Thomlins in comparisons, like la Danian Thomlinson
• 41:22
  Speaker 6: was a downfield receiving threat, like he could run routes
• 41:26
  Speaker 6: outside the backfield, down the field. I don't think you're
• 41:30
  Speaker 6: gonna get that out of gent.
• 41:31
  Speaker 4: So I have a this is a total aside, just
• 41:34
  Speaker 4: this Patriot centric now, you know, because that's I would
• 41:37
  Speaker 4: say most Patriots fans, media guys have put pass catching
• 41:42
  Speaker 4: back is a significant need. You know, it's something that's
• 41:46
  Speaker 4: probably gonna get addressed, maybe maybe late day two, but
• 41:49
  Speaker 4: if not in day three. Josh wrote that, right, why
• 41:53
  Speaker 4: is Antonio Gibson not an option for that? This is
• 41:56
  Speaker 4: a guy who was a college wide receiver. Why is
• 41:58
  Speaker 4: he not an option to be Josh McDaniel's past past
• 42:03
  Speaker 4: catching back.
• 42:04
  Speaker 6: It's a great question. I don't know. I've asked that
• 42:06
  Speaker 6: question a million times too about about Gibson. That's what
• 42:10
  Speaker 6: he's touted as. It's like, to your point, he was
• 42:11
  Speaker 6: a college receiver.
• 42:12
  Speaker 4: That's what he was in Washington. That's literally what he is.
• 42:15
  Speaker 6: I don't know. I think maybe they're looking for somebody
• 42:18
  Speaker 6: that can do a little bit more of both of
• 42:21
  Speaker 6: volume on early downs and catch the ball out of
• 42:23
  Speaker 6: the backfield more to push Stevenson.
• 42:26
  Speaker 4: I would think, yeah, I just I just, you know,
• 42:29
  Speaker 4: I was the more I've been thinking about it, because
• 42:31
  Speaker 4: I hear a lot of people talk about Trevor etn.
• 42:34
  Speaker 4: You know, he was talking to Mike Reese, my good
• 42:35
  Speaker 4: buddy yesterday, you know, and Mike brought him up as
• 42:39
  Speaker 4: a guy that would make some sense, and I agree,
• 42:43
  Speaker 4: he's That's what he was at Georgia. He's a good
• 42:45
  Speaker 4: versatile back that can get out of the backfield catch
• 42:47
  Speaker 4: the ball in that traditional style. I just why is
• 42:50
  Speaker 4: no one really talking about Gibson as an option in
• 42:53
  Speaker 4: that regard? Just sort of came to me. Yeah, I
• 42:55
  Speaker 4: don't know, And I'm not saying you can't have Gibson
• 42:58
  Speaker 4: and you know, just like you can and have Shane
• 43:00
  Speaker 4: Vereen and James White. You know, once upon a time,
• 43:03
  Speaker 4: you know, you had those kinds of guys.
• 43:05
  Speaker 3: I mean, I'm hoping for a couple of things with
• 43:07
  Speaker 3: this offense. One that Drake is that much better because
• 43:10
  Speaker 3: it's the second year.
• 43:11
  Speaker 4: And all the biggest one.
• 43:12
  Speaker 3: And again Josh makes them that much better because I'm
• 43:17
  Speaker 3: not I had no problem with AVP, but I think
• 43:20
  Speaker 3: Josh is a better coordinator. And I think those two
• 43:24
  Speaker 3: things elevate the guys that we had last year to
• 43:26
  Speaker 3: be to be better. And so maybe this year a
• 43:28
  Speaker 3: guy like Gibson does show you that, you know, I don't.
• 43:32
  Speaker 4: I think he showed me it last year. Yeah, Like
• 43:34
  Speaker 4: that's not enough though, well, because their offense stunck exactly,
• 43:38
  Speaker 4: but not because of him. He didn't have the ability
• 43:40
  Speaker 4: to be a pass catching back.
• 43:41
  Speaker 3: That's my point. That's my point.
• 43:43
  Speaker 4: But I think he does. He was the offense just
• 43:45
  Speaker 4: because they couldn't block.
• 43:47
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he was squashed in that offense. He didn't have
• 43:50
  Speaker 3: you know, he wasn't given the opportunity to show off.
• 43:53
  Speaker 4: What he kept better. I just I guess I agree
• 43:56
  Speaker 4: with everything you're saying. I think the biggest key would
• 43:59
  Speaker 4: be you need Rake May to make the year or
• 44:01
  Speaker 4: two jump. But the problems with the offense last year,
• 44:05
  Speaker 4: to me, started in Like you can say I like
• 44:09
  Speaker 4: dalex Van Pelt, I didn't like him.
• 44:11
  Speaker 3: I didn't like to play problem years ago.
• 44:13
  Speaker 6: It was all about.
• 44:14
  Speaker 4: Their inability to block anybody. And if that's the case
• 44:17
  Speaker 4: this year again, I don't care what Josh McDaniels does,
• 44:19
  Speaker 4: it's not going to be that much better.
• 44:21
  Speaker 3: Well, I you know, I add Doug Maron into that mix.
• 44:23
  Speaker 3: As I started the show.
• 44:24
  Speaker 4: I'm saying, if they can't block anybody, I don't care
• 44:26
  Speaker 4: who's coaching.
• 44:27
  Speaker 3: I know, well no, but I'm hoping the coaching helps that.
• 44:31
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it just block for him.
• 44:33
  Speaker 6: You have a tough time getting there with the improvement
• 44:36
  Speaker 6: on the offensive line without a real investment at left tackle.
• 44:39
  Speaker 6: Like if they come out of this draft with one
• 44:41
  Speaker 6: of those left tackles, even at the top of the
• 44:43
  Speaker 6: second rounding and Nursery Connorley, someone like that, I would feel, Okay,
• 44:48
  Speaker 6: they have a young guy in a pipeline. And if
• 44:50
  Speaker 6: you tell me that.
• 44:50
  Speaker 4: Whoever they come out with, like you said, well, that's
• 44:54
  Speaker 4: a vast improvement over last year, Like Ursery would be
• 44:57
  Speaker 4: an improvement over Vederian Loan. Yeah, Demontre Jacobs, you know.
• 45:02
  Speaker 4: And so now you have Morgan Moses and Ursery or
• 45:05
  Speaker 4: Connery or Campbell, that should be an upgrade. So like
• 45:11
  Speaker 4: whether the coaching is better or not, you have better
• 45:13
  Speaker 4: players blocking sure you should be better because of that.
• 45:16
  Speaker 4: And now you have to hope Drake may has made
• 45:18
  Speaker 4: the progression. And you know, we just had to Mario
• 45:21
  Speaker 4: Douglas in here. Maybe he does that. Josh McDaniel's thing.
• 45:25
  Speaker 4: This is where I would put coaching into it, because
• 45:26
  Speaker 4: I think that the system that Josh wants to run
• 45:29
  Speaker 4: is going to accentuate that maybe he turns out to be,
• 45:33
  Speaker 4: you know, more of a volume kind of guy. And
• 45:35
  Speaker 4: then you know, this gets us to something else that
• 45:38
  Speaker 4: we I don't know if you caught this. Evan and
• 45:40
  Speaker 4: I talked about this off air a little bit. That
• 45:42
  Speaker 4: whole Adam schefter grab bag of the draft bunch of tidbits.
• 45:47
  Speaker 4: He had some young players around the league that could
• 45:49
  Speaker 4: be on the trading block, and he had some veterans
• 45:52
  Speaker 4: around the league that could be on the trading block.
• 45:54
  Speaker 4: As an example for a veteran, right, he had Kashawan
• 45:57
  Speaker 4: Boody as a young guy that might be expendable for
• 45:59
  Speaker 4: the Patriots, which tells me that there's probably some smoke
• 46:02
  Speaker 4: where there's fire there. Evanth and I kind of agree
• 46:05
  Speaker 4: that it's a little too quick if that's the case,
• 46:09
  Speaker 4: if they're looking to move on from him. Now. Now,
• 46:12
  Speaker 4: I don't know what's going to happen Thursday, Friday, you know,
• 46:15
  Speaker 4: more likely Friday might change my mind. But why would
• 46:18
  Speaker 4: he be the do you think the first one?
• 46:20
  Speaker 3: Well, if Booty's the guy that gets you the asset
• 46:22
  Speaker 3: that allows you to move back up into the first round, then.
• 46:25
  Speaker 4: Yeah, well okay, like let's what what are we doing?
• 46:29
  Speaker 3: Well, like, what if you can get a third for Booty?
• 46:31
  Speaker 3: You can't, Okay, then I think it's too fast. But
• 46:35
  Speaker 3: that's let's just say it's too quick.
• 46:37
  Speaker 4: But let's just operate under the premise, and you know what,
• 46:39
  Speaker 4: let me stop being so snarky, let's operate under the
• 46:43
  Speaker 4: assumption that you're getting a Day three pick swap for
• 46:49
  Speaker 4: Kayshawn boot Like. I don't think they have a wide
• 46:50
  Speaker 4: receiver that they could deal that could get you with
• 46:52
  Speaker 4: third round pick. I don't think they have one, So
• 46:56
  Speaker 4: let's just let's just make that assumption.
• 46:58
  Speaker 3: Then don't too fast.
• 46:59
  Speaker 4: Yeah Like, And that was what Evan and I were
• 47:02
  Speaker 4: kind of saying, not that he I don't think either
• 47:03
  Speaker 4: one of us is in love with Kaishawan Booty, but yeah,
• 47:06
  Speaker 4: me played last year. He made some plays. I think Evan,
• 47:09
  Speaker 4: you put it like, oh, Iven, if you stick him
• 47:11
  Speaker 4: on the outside and just have him run go routes
• 47:14
  Speaker 4: every once in a while, you got behind everybody.
• 47:15
  Speaker 3: Don't you think that's why he ended up in the
• 47:17
  Speaker 3: grab bag? Is because other teams are like, he's not
• 47:20
  Speaker 3: that bad.
• 47:21
  Speaker 4: No, I think the Patriots are looking to move on
• 47:22
  Speaker 4: for him. That's how you end up in the grab bag.
• 47:24
  Speaker 4: But why, I don't.
• 47:25
  Speaker 3: Could be a little bit of both, But I think
• 47:27
  Speaker 3: it's more he got a little attractive, and he's the
• 47:30
  Speaker 3: guy that the Patriots might be able to get something for.
• 47:34
  Speaker 4: Maybe maybe they'll trade a fifth round pick for a
• 47:36
  Speaker 4: seventh round pick and move, like Evan said, can you
• 47:40
  Speaker 4: get another fifth round pick out of it? So they
• 47:42
  Speaker 4: have one seventy one right now in the fifth round.
• 47:44
  Speaker 4: Can you get another fifth round pick but one seventy
• 47:48
  Speaker 4: one they have? Yeah, yeah, maybe you can get another one.
• 47:52
  Speaker 6: What I wonder with Booty is just he's had some
• 47:57
  Speaker 6: hiccups along the way here, and is he he just
• 48:00
  Speaker 6: not a program guy? And are we doing that whole
• 48:03
  Speaker 6: thing with Kaishaan Booty where they just don't feel like
• 48:07
  Speaker 6: they're going to be able to get him to buy
• 48:10
  Speaker 6: into the vrable program.
• 48:14
  Speaker 4: Maybe maybe it's as simple as that.
• 48:16
  Speaker 6: I just look at what he did last year. It
• 48:19
  Speaker 6: wasn't anything eye popping, but he had six hundred yards
• 48:22
  Speaker 6: last year. That's six hundred more yards than the two
• 48:24
  Speaker 6: rookies had last year. So like, why why would kai
• 48:27
  Speaker 6: Shan Boody be the odd man out of him, Polk
• 48:31
  Speaker 6: and Baker Unless it's just simply because he has more
• 48:34
  Speaker 6: value than those two guys, and you're really buying low,
• 48:37
  Speaker 6: you know, selling you know low on those other two.
• 48:40
  Speaker 6: That would be the m I just don't really see that,
• 48:42
  Speaker 6: you know, he's.
• 48:43
  Speaker 4: Selling about as high on Booty as you probably going
• 48:46
  Speaker 4: to get and the other two guys have no value
• 48:49
  Speaker 4: at all because they did nothing his rookies, right.
• 48:51
  Speaker 6: But I look at the way that too. Josh McDaniels
• 48:54
  Speaker 6: has typically used the outside receiver, you know, take Randy
• 48:59
  Speaker 6: Moss out of it, and maybe Brandon Cooks for a year, right,
• 49:04
  Speaker 6: you know, Brandon Lafel. You know those types of players
• 49:06
  Speaker 6: like Booty can do that. Like Booty can run go
• 49:09
  Speaker 6: routes on the outside and get behind Derek Stingley for
• 49:13
  Speaker 6: fifty yard touchdown once a game, right, Like, he can
• 49:16
  Speaker 6: do those types of things. And if you're not going
• 49:18
  Speaker 6: to run the offense through the X receiver, through the
• 49:22
  Speaker 6: outside receiver and that's not going to be the volume
• 49:24
  Speaker 6: role in your offense, I think that he can be
• 49:27
  Speaker 6: the viable third guy in that pecking order. You know,
• 49:31
  Speaker 6: if it's Stefon Diggs and Pop Douglas and Booty, or
• 49:33
  Speaker 6: it's Stefon Diggs and a draft pick and Booty. Like
• 49:36
  Speaker 6: I feel comfortable with Booty being a low volume outside
• 49:41
  Speaker 6: receiver and what we know as the traditional McDaniel's offense.
• 49:45
  Speaker 6: So unless it's for a great value, I'm not ready
• 49:48
  Speaker 6: to drive Keayshan Boody to the airport just yet, Like
• 49:51
  Speaker 6: I think that he has a role that you can
• 49:53
  Speaker 6: envision on this team as a decent X like.
• 49:58
  Speaker 4: I do agree with us or I do. Yeah, I
• 50:02
  Speaker 4: just thought it was odd, you know, like even if
• 50:04
  Speaker 4: you were gonna say, okay, well, the rookies deserve another
• 50:08
  Speaker 4: year to see or at least an off season to
• 50:11
  Speaker 4: see if they've matured, and you know whatever, Pop wouldn't
• 50:15
  Speaker 4: wouldn't like Born be the guy to go.
• 50:18
  Speaker 3: I think so.
• 50:19
  Speaker 4: But because Kaishan BOUDI you could make an argument that
• 50:23
  Speaker 4: year three, he's an descending player. Kendrick Bourne, to me,
• 50:27
  Speaker 4: is what he is.
• 50:28
  Speaker 3: No.
• 50:29
  Speaker 4: I know, at this point in his career, he's not
• 50:30
  Speaker 4: going to get much better or worse.
• 50:31
  Speaker 3: That's why he might be the guy that's more attractive
• 50:34
  Speaker 3: to other teams.
• 50:36
  Speaker 4: I just don't think that that guy. Again, you're getting
• 50:39
  Speaker 4: a Day three pick. He's a sixth round pick. You're
• 50:41
  Speaker 4: getting a Day three pick for him.
• 50:43
  Speaker 6: I think that's the only argument, though, is that he
• 50:45
  Speaker 6: has the most trade value out of anybody in that room,
• 50:47
  Speaker 6: right because he's a young, descending player.
• 50:50
  Speaker 4: But he might but I don't think but I think
• 50:54
  Speaker 4: he probably does. I think Fred's right he probably does
• 50:57
  Speaker 4: have the most, but it's like, you know, Will Campbell
• 51:00
  Speaker 4: is the fourth pick in this draft. You know, it's
• 51:03
  Speaker 4: it's a bar he has the most, but I don't
• 51:06
  Speaker 4: think he has much value. He I would agree with
• 51:08
  Speaker 4: Fred that he probably has the most value out of
• 51:10
  Speaker 4: those guys.
• 51:11
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I get. I just look at him as different,
• 51:14
  Speaker 6: Like they don't have a ton of outside receivers, like
• 51:18
  Speaker 6: true outside receivers, you know, Kendrick Bourne, Jalen Polk, Stefan Diggs,
• 51:23
  Speaker 6: Pop Douglas, Like those guys are all kind of redundant
• 51:27
  Speaker 6: to one another. And Digs is certainly not coming off
• 51:29
  Speaker 6: the field once he's ready to go. So it's Born,
• 51:32
  Speaker 6: it's Polk, It's you know, those are the guys that
• 51:35
  Speaker 6: I personally, if you're gonna move somebody, I feel like
• 51:37
  Speaker 6: those are the guys that you would probably move, but
• 51:40
  Speaker 6: they probably have the least amount of value.
• 51:41
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• 53:37
  Speaker 1: Welcome back to the Patriots Unfiltered Extras Matist Baalmanoux Francisco
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• 53:43
  Speaker 1: guys are sent in from the previous show. So, guys,
• 53:45
  Speaker 1: we've some good stuff here on the show before we
• 53:48
  Speaker 1: had Hunter Henry so here, So we'll start. We'll start
• 53:51
  Speaker 1: with an email directly to Hunter Henry. Okay, I'm nice
• 53:54
  Speaker 1: from Anthony Hunter Henry, big fan. I just want to
• 53:57
  Speaker 1: say how thankful I am for you. You brought a lot
• 54:00
  Speaker 1: of joy these past couple of years and have been
• 54:02
  Speaker 1: one of the few great bright spots. Thank you for
• 54:04
  Speaker 1: always showing up and you are the next jersey I.
• 54:06
  Speaker 3: Get related that message.
• 54:11
  Speaker 7: Yeah, No, he was great on the shows.
• 54:13
  Speaker 3: Good We can get the players.
• 54:14
  Speaker 5: You know, he's been great the last couple of years.
• 54:16
  Speaker 12: I mean he really has been one of the main
• 54:18
  Speaker 12: bright spots this season, like or not this season, but
• 54:22
  Speaker 12: all yes, sorry, really really dynamic player. He really throw
• 54:28
  Speaker 12: the ball to any point, he's gonna make it play.
• 54:31
  Speaker 12: And that's what you need.
• 54:33
  Speaker 1: There's a there is a point if you're like on
• 54:34
  Speaker 1: the content team and you're in the end zone, within
• 54:37
  Speaker 1: like a ten yard, there.
• 54:38
  Speaker 3: Was a good chance Hunter Henry's gonna catch the ball.
• 54:40
  Speaker 5: Yes, and you were just tracking Hunters just where he
• 54:42
  Speaker 5: ended up. Getting your phone.
• 54:43
  Speaker 1: Ready, just stay within the whole time, all right. Subject
• 54:47
  Speaker 1: title discuss amongst yourselves Game of Thrones, Starbucks coffee cut
• 54:51
  Speaker 1: Darren from Saint Stephen.
• 54:53
  Speaker 5: So I walked into Thursday Shows late. I was at
• 54:56
  Speaker 5: a community event and I walk in and they're literally
• 54:58
  Speaker 5: talking about Game of and I was like, I don't
• 55:00
  Speaker 5: know how we got here, but I'm glad we're here.
• 55:03
  Speaker 4: I was ready to go.
• 55:04
  Speaker 12: The theme of the show was just show ending, and
• 55:06
  Speaker 12: they started talking about Came of Thrones in bulk.
• 55:10
  Speaker 5: Yeah, specifically they want us talk about the Starbucks. I
• 55:13
  Speaker 5: assume that ended up in the show in the fire accident.
• 55:16
  Speaker 1: By accident in Middle Ages. There's a Starbucks coming.
• 55:20
  Speaker 3: Maybe there was a Starbucks there, there was not a Starbucks.
• 55:23
  Speaker 5: You say that there was not a Starbucks in King's
• 55:26
  Speaker 5: Landing to this just kind of goes back to what
• 55:30
  Speaker 5: we all touched on on the show was that this
• 55:34
  Speaker 5: last two seasons or whatever it was, got rushed because
• 55:37
  Speaker 5: the show runners were really trying to get a move
• 55:40
  Speaker 5: on so that they could go do Star Wars, which
• 55:42
  Speaker 5: they got fired from Star Wars anyway, so it was
• 55:46
  Speaker 5: all for nothing, and it just like that's what I'm
• 55:50
  Speaker 5: talking about, like the level of just not caring that
• 55:54
  Speaker 5: they had with this show that, like, I can't remember
• 55:58
  Speaker 5: a show that just like Times stopped when Game of
• 56:00
  Speaker 5: Thrones on, it was the biggest cultural phenomenon of the
• 56:04
  Speaker 5: twenty whenever it ran into Yeah, obviously it spanned from
• 56:10
  Speaker 5: the tents and twenties.
• 56:13
  Speaker 12: I mean the show itself was amazing. I am not
• 56:16
  Speaker 12: a season ending eight. I don't think it was that bad.
• 56:20
  Speaker 3: It was people on it. I think people think it
• 56:24
  Speaker 3: ended correctly.
• 56:25
  Speaker 12: Literally, I think it ended correctly like the show the
• 56:28
  Speaker 12: show needed to end with friend.
• 56:30
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 56:31
  Speaker 1: I think the big thing is that they did a
• 56:33
  Speaker 1: table read and I forget the character's name.
• 56:36
  Speaker 3: He threw the script and discussed did the table reading.
• 56:39
  Speaker 5: I didn't realize that, but I mean it just goes
• 56:42
  Speaker 5: back to.
• 56:44
  Speaker 7: It got rushed George R.
• 56:46
  Speaker 5: Martin. He didn't get I'm not going to say fat
• 56:54
  Speaker 5: and he was no longer motivated to write the books.
• 56:56
  Speaker 5: And when you get ahead of the books, like there's
• 56:58
  Speaker 5: so much world building that it was inconsistent and.
• 57:02
  Speaker 1: Now we got dire Wolves recreating before he finished the book.
• 57:07
  Speaker 1: But let's get to the next email, because there's there's
• 57:10
  Speaker 1: some more Game of Thrones in here. Email from Ryan
• 57:12
  Speaker 1: from Watertown High Patriots Unfiltered Gang. I'm a big fan Patriots,
• 57:16
  Speaker 1: Fanson's birth and PU fans is the Dark Ages, post
• 57:19
  Speaker 1: Brady era. Love what you guys do, and especially love
• 57:22
  Speaker 1: with all you bring a different perspective to the game
• 57:24
  Speaker 1: and the team. My quick Game of Thrones take is
• 57:26
  Speaker 1: that from season one to season eight, episode three of
• 57:28
  Speaker 1: the show is incredible. Season eight, episodes four and six
• 57:31
  Speaker 1: were some of the worst three episodes of television and
• 57:33
  Speaker 1: human history, and the writers should have to take a
• 57:35
  Speaker 1: ten year hiatus from the entertainment industry just to think
• 57:37
  Speaker 1: about how they let us down.
• 57:39
  Speaker 3: I agree with them that I've got a question for you, guys.
• 57:42
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna list some wide receivers that could potentially be
• 57:45
  Speaker 1: on our roster, and I want to hear from each
• 57:46
  Speaker 1: of you who makes your ideal twenty six to twenty
• 57:50
  Speaker 1: five to twenty six six man wide receiver room. Considering
• 57:53
  Speaker 1: Digs and mac Collins are locks. Here are the list
• 57:55
  Speaker 1: picks I list below. Current Patriots Pop Douglas, Kendrick bourd
• 57:59
  Speaker 1: jay In Polk, Kaysehan Boody, Javon Baker. Potential free agents
• 58:03
  Speaker 1: are Tyler Lockett on a one year team friendly deal,
• 58:05
  Speaker 1: Elijah Moore three years, eleven million, and then potential draft
• 58:08
  Speaker 1: picks are Travis Hunter, Ted McMillan, Agbuka, Jayden Higgins, and
• 58:13
  Speaker 1: Trey Harris. I think it's safe to say the wide
• 58:15
  Speaker 1: receiver room is still wide open and any of these
• 58:17
  Speaker 1: guys could be in the mix.
• 58:18
  Speaker 3: Can't wait to hear your thoughts. Thanks, guys, just.
• 58:21
  Speaker 12: I'll jump right into it. I guess I would say
• 58:24
  Speaker 12: with Diggs and Hollins being locked, yep, in that sense,
• 58:27
  Speaker 12: if Hunters available, if Buk is available, if they take
• 58:31
  Speaker 12: one of those first or second rounders type of guys.
• 58:33
  Speaker 12: I think that is when they will become locks. And
• 58:37
  Speaker 12: if that happens, you have to look at the guys. Yeah,
• 58:41
  Speaker 12: three and up is a lock in my opinion, I think.
• 58:44
  Speaker 12: I mean Booty is a Locke. I think Pop's a lock.
• 58:47
  Speaker 12: I think Polk is a lock. Ye, So that's three
• 58:49
  Speaker 12: right there. You have like the fringe guys are.
• 58:52
  Speaker 3: Bigger and you reach six.
• 58:54
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 58:54
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I think the fringe guys are Baker and KB.
• 58:57
  Speaker 7: I agree. I love Tyler Lockett.
• 59:00
  Speaker 1: I think he's a little on the older side, but
• 59:01
  Speaker 1: I think we got our vets with Hollins and Diggs.
• 59:05
  Speaker 1: Elijah Moore, I mean he was a high draft pick,
• 59:08
  Speaker 1: hasn't really hit his stride. I think I don't really
• 59:10
  Speaker 1: see it there. So I think what you listen is
• 59:12
  Speaker 1: spot on.
• 59:13
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I like it too, It's just I go about it. Okay,
• 59:16
  Speaker 5: is it my pipe dream list with Hunter even available
• 59:20
  Speaker 5: for us? Or do I play it more realistically? Going
• 59:23
  Speaker 5: more realistically, I think that's a scenario where Kendrick Bourne
• 59:27
  Speaker 5: is maybe still around, because how do you get Hunter.
• 59:32
  Speaker 5: It's just it just it seems like further and further
• 59:37
  Speaker 5: of a possibility of each passing day.
• 59:40
  Speaker 1: I think also like some of the guys we listed
• 59:42
  Speaker 1: could maybe be a trade candidate because I think Kendrick
• 59:44
  Speaker 1: barn stills a lot to give, So.
• 59:45
  Speaker 5: You know, for sure, Booty, I do too, and that's
• 59:47
  Speaker 5: why I'm not necessarily willing to turn the page. Whereas,
• 59:49
  Speaker 5: like I know that, I feel like a lot of
• 59:52
  Speaker 5: people feel like Polk is a lock, but like me, personally,
• 59:56
  Speaker 5: I just haven't seen a ton out of him, and
• 59:58
  Speaker 5: I know that only going to be a second year, but.
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 3: I don't know.
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 6: I think that's that's I think the only logic behind it.
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 1: I think I think you'll find out some stuff pretty
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 1: quickly within the first two weeks of camp.
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 7: Yeah, honestly.
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 1: But all right, guys, thank you for being on the
• 1:00:12
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  Speaker 2: And now great moments in.
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 3: History. So I do the thing where you see somebody
• 1:00:31
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  Speaker 3: put your signal line and just sit there. So this
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 3: guy in a big tesla comes up right in front
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 3: of me, starts giving me the hands like what what
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 3: I'm like? You know, mostly go around, go around. You know,
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 3: He's like, you wouldn't do it, wouldn't go around. Finally,
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  Speaker 3: you know, he decides, oh, I'll go around. So he
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 3: goes around, but then he decides to do a pull
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  Speaker 3: pulls the pull up, pull up, roll down and pulls
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 3: down the window. So he starts talk to me, and
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  Speaker 3: I just say, keep driving.
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  Speaker 4: Just like that.
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 3: You have the kids in the backseat. I don't care,
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 3: but I just say keep He goes. We'll talk later.
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  Speaker 3: I know we won't, you know, by end of day.
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  Speaker 3: That was it. That's another great moment from all Right,
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  Speaker 3: Fun and Fun and parking lots. I was so annoyed
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 3: at that person pull up, rolled down. All right, we're
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 3: talking draft. We're gonna take some calls, emails. I know
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 3: everyone's been patiently waiting to get there two cents in,
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  Speaker 3: So let's start with Patty and agawam, what's up Patty?
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  Speaker 3: I guess he's not there.
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  Speaker 4: All right.
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  Speaker 3: These people have been holding on a long time. I
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  Speaker 3: don't blame him. Dave in Florida what's up, Dave, David
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  Speaker 13: Call from?
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 4: Might be the volume?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it could be, but anyway, David and Bethlehem rites
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  Speaker 3: into podcast at Patriots dot Com. He says Paul and
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 3: Evan are glibally underestimating the difficulty of switching from right
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 3: tackle to left tackle. Most fail try shaving left handed.
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 3: Fred Astaire was a great dancer. Ginger Rogers did everything
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 3: he did backwards and wearing heels. Likely Membo has never
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 3: played left tackle because he can't do what you do well.
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 4: I just want to emphatically state that I have no
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 4: interest in drafting Membo and moving him to left tackle.
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 4: I would draft Membo as the right tackle at four.
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 4: I said, no, I'm not saying that. I'm saying if
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 4: I were to, like Evan had him in his mock draft,
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 4: if I thought that Membo was better than Campbell, so
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 4: I want to take the better player, I would take him,
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 4: and he'd be my right tackle of the future. Because
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 4: Morgan Moses is thirty four years old.
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 3: My thing with tackles is a lot the same with
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 3: defensive backs. If you're a tackle and you can play
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 3: left tackle, you play left tackle. If you're a defensive
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 3: back and your play corner, you play corner.
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  Speaker 4: I can't argue with that, see what I'm saying.
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  Speaker 6: I never said it was easy or like that it
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 6: was a shoeing that he could do it. So I
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 6: don't know where that's coming from. I never said that,
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 6: But there I can see the argument for it. Like
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 6: if he if they draft him and they play him
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 6: at left tackle as a rookie, and it goes great,
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 6: then great, you have your left tackle. If it goes
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 6: poorly or not not so great, then.
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  Speaker 4: You guys have to right You guys have done it.
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 6: So it's just a case for it. I'm not saying.
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  Speaker 6: This is why I would say.
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  Speaker 4: You know, and again, if you could play left tackle,
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 4: you tried to make the switch, and he could do it, fine,
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 4: But I'm okay if he can't, because I need a
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 4: right tackle too, right. That's that was my point. But
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 4: there's a there's a list of guys that played one
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 4: side of the Joe Walt played left tackle throughout his
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 4: college career. You played right tackle last year for the
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 4: Chargers at an all pro level.
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so, I think, But that's like going from corner
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 3: to safety. That happens a lot. No, rarely you go
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 3: in safety to corner.
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 4: No, no, no, But I'm saying tackles switch sides. Most can't
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 4: do it. Some can't, I know. Ye.
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 3: I think it's easy left to right.
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 4: There's not any easier than left right. I think it is.
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 3: I think it is.
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 4: It's it's. It might be considered an easier, like a
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 4: less important position. I think it's, but it's still everything
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 4: is backwards.
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 3: It is, it is, But the mistakes aren't his glaring.
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 3: I think it's a little easier to transition from left
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 3: to right.
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 6: Yeah. I mean there's a couple of guys that have
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 6: done it from I'm getting my right and left confused
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 6: from right to left. Tristan WARF's is probably the ones
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 6: and most recent.
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 3: There's always exceptional Tyron.
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 6: Smith Fred's guy did it too. He played right tackle
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 6: at USC and then went and actually played right tackle
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 6: to start in Dallas for a little bit, and then
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 6: eventually went to left, just like Worfs. Wof Worfs played
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 6: three full years at right tackle for Tampa Bay, and
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 6: then his fourth season they chained him to left tackle.
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 6: He was a first team All Pro last year at
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 6: left tackle. You know, we talked to Doug Morone was
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 6: it earlier this month, and he had a guy in
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 6: New Orleans who did it, Jamal Brown, who was a
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 6: first round pick by the Saints. He played right tackle
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 6: to start his career in New Orleans and then they
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 6: moved him to left and he was a Pro bowler
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 6: at left tackle. So it's all I'm telling you is
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 6: that it's been done.
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 4: Don't like it's this one. Did Orlando Brown play right
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 4: tackle at one point and then they're they're changed to
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 4: left tackle?
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 6: Very possible. The other one is Jedrick Wills with Cleveland,
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 6: who played right tackle at Alabama and then played left tackle.
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 4: And my bigger point, like, just again, if member, if
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 4: you thought, if you have him evaluated greater than Campbell,
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 4: the right left thing wouldn't be the by determining factor.
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 4: It would be the better player. But I also would
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 4: just say, we've just given you a couple of examples
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 4: of guys who switched sides and done it well. There
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 4: are really no examples of guys with arms. And I
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 4: won't say definitively as short as will Campbell's because of
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 4: the discrepancy between the combine numbers and.
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 6: The PRODA numbers.
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 4: But there is no example of a guy who had
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 4: thirty two and five ahs inch arms or shorter that
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 4: has succeeded over the last twenty five years.
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 6: That's true if you evaluate the tape and I come
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 6: away from the tape saying Will Campbell's the better player.
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 6: But if you evaluate the tape and say Rembu's the
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 6: better player, then to me, the right to left and
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 6: the short arms cancel each other out like.
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 4: One is kind of how I would feel about it.
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 4: That's why I would say I'm comfortable with Membo being
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 4: a right tackle if it doesn't work with Campbell, he's
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 4: a guard. Now, to me, there's a big difference between
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 4: filling the right tackle spot and then filling a guard spot. Yeah,
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 4: I mean I think the way again. My buddy Mike
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 4: Reese this morning said, well, you know, even if like
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 4: he wants to do you a sort of your double
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 4: dip thing. So if you get Will Campbell at four
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 4: and then are able to sort of squeak out connorly or.
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 3: I don't want to double dip at the position.
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 4: Ursery, well, like, the worst case scenario is you know
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 4: the worst case you can't do it? Well. Yeah, I
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 4: suppose it was a very Patriots dot Com like comment. Right,
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 4: worst case scenario, Yeah, you should get two All pros
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 4: playing on the left side, though one of them plays
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 4: left tackle, one of them plays left guard, and your
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 4: offensive line is okay for at least the next five years.
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 3: Yep, yep. Nick in Boston writes in to answer your
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 3: question from earlier in the show, Patriots don't consider Gibson
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 3: the answer as pass catching back because he's a bad
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 3: pass blocker.
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 4: In my opinion, that's a good point. That's a very
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 4: good point, email.
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 6: I don't think this is a great pass blocking class,
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 6: to be honest with you, Yeah, he's right.
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 4: I think Gibson does struggle a little bit. He had
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 4: some good pickups, but he does struggle a little bit.
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 3: And that separately. Todd McShay said yesterday that teams he's
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 3: spoken to picking in the top ten are happy that
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 3: Will Campbell is the pick at for so better players
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 3: fall to them. Please draft Membo, who is an actual
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 3: tackle or genty. I know drafting and running back at
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 3: the top of the draft is horrible, asked management, but
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 3: at least he has a chance to be elite. The
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 3: Giants are used as the main example of white drafting
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 3: running back doesn't move the needle, but I think that
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 3: argument is missing context. The year before the Giants drafted Saquon,
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 3: their offense ranked thirty first, and then it ranked sixteenth.
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 3: In Saquon's rookie season, the offense was average because they
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 3: had a diminished quarterback, but Saquon still provided a large boost.
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 6: Well, I think Eli Manning was hurt the year before
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 6: and then came back and played.
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 4: Don't let facts get in the way. But yeah, actually
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 4: I don't. Yeah, I don't remember, because Eli was very durable,
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 4: but he played through Maybe he played through injury.
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 6: He had one season where he missed a lot of
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 6: games or missed some games, and it might have not
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 6: been that one.
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 4: Because I thought macadoo ended his streak. Buddy Ben McAdoo.
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 4: Oh yeah, he had a consecutive from started streak and
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 4: then he decided to bench him late late in the
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 4: last time.
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 6: Okay, I had my ears mixed up, but I don't
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 6: The emailer might be right about the rankings. I don't
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 6: know if he's using yards, points, whatever, but I don't
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 6: think that's the point. Is We're not trying to be
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 6: the sixteenth best offense right in the NFL.
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 4: And I don't really care what the like the numbers.
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 4: I want to win games and the Giants didn't win games.
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 3: Alex, I don't know what you're saying. Just say it.
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 3: Oh good, yeah, okay, thank you, Okay, I'm just.
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 6: To go to them.
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 4: I would just go, you know, does the guy lead
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 4: you to win games?
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 6: Right?
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 4: And I'm not saying don't take genty because he could
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 4: help your offensive. He's the best player then, like you know,
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 4: more power to you.
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, I think the argument for gent other
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 6: than him just being the best player, is that you
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 6: would think that there could be some sort of gravity
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 6: of him being on the field, where you get more
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 6: seven and eight man boxes, you get guys that bite
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 6: a little bit harder on play action, like he's the
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 6: vocal point of the game plan, like those types of things. Now,
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 6: for the most part, the numbers would say that, doesn't
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 6: it really I should.
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 4: Know the answer to this question. Ball security issues with
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 4: him at all in school college.
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 6: He had four fumbles last year. I mean, the game
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 6: against Penn State wasn't good, but I think a lot
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 6: of that was I'm trying to break six tackles to,
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 6: you know, make this run happen. And I'm you know,
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 6: he gets stripped like towards the end of the run,
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 6: kind of like Remondrey, you know.
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 3: But I still not good.
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 6: I wouldn't say it's it's maybe a small sea concern.
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 3: All Right, people are back on the phones. Let's go
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 3: to David and Florida. What's up David, Hey.
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  Speaker 4: Guys, what's it going good?
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  Speaker 14: Yeah?
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  Speaker 15: So I had two things here. First. Firstly, I wanted
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 15: to apologize to Paul hearing that you had to walk
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 15: in on Fred Hard at work today. So the second
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 15: thing is that I've actually speaking of Paul. I've realized
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 15: that I've started to talk like him a little bit
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 15: when it comes to some of this draft stuff. But
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 15: I'm seeing people online saying, I like Will Campbell just
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 15: not at four, or I like this player, just not
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 15: And then I just responded with you don't like.
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 4: Him, you don't like him. Yeah, that's that's well done.
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 15: I completely agree with that. That is such a good
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 15: response to some of these arguments, and I feel like
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 15: a lot of people have to hear that. So thankful.
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 4: I'm glad I could help yeah, and I do get
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 4: there's some nuanced thanks David to that line of thought.
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 4: You know, like I think Will Campbell's going to be
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 4: a really good football player, but I'm not sure he's
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 4: worth the fourth pick. Now. I do think this draft
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 4: is kind of unique. I think in this draft you
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 4: can make an argument that he's the fourth best player.
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 3: Is this all because of COVID? This draft just the
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 3: way things kind of fell out?
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 4: I mean, I don't in terms of smarter people's available.
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 3: In this draft, like a lot of guys, you know,
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 3: it's it's almost like that bridge, like after this year,
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 3: COVID's in the in the rearview mirror, like this is
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 3: the last effects of COVID.
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 4: Well that's supposed to be true, Like this is about
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 4: the end of the extra years. There's like there's a
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 4: lot of six year guys in this draft, but that's.
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 3: Why the college rosters and that effects who's available.
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 4: You know, Yeah, no, it probably could be. Yeah, I
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 4: didn't really think of it in those terms, spread but
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 4: that's logical. What you're saying is that's why there's more
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 4: guys that haven't come out yet. That's why you know,
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 4: maybe guys didn't commit as much. Maybe the talent's more
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 4: spread out or you know, I don't know. Yeah, a
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 4: lot of facts.
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 3: Let's go to Christian in LA. What's up Christian?
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 4: All right?
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 13: Here you guys here you get at I see you
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 13: having some sort of phone issues which happened, So thank
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 13: you guys for taking my call here from La where
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 13: sunny and finally getting warm. Yeah, okay, Before so the football,
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 13: I want to cut my haters off and say, the
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 13: only reason why I mentioned wait for Me last week
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 13: and the other company was because of the contact of
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 13: the call. It wasn't me being super La as I've
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 13: now heard. So that's that. But on the football, when
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 13: we were talking yesterday, they were saying, how such a
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 13: deep class at deep physics and such a deep class
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 13: at running back. We were wondering, does that really have
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 13: an impact on the league in terms of everyone gets
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 13: a good defensive end. Does that like level up the
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 13: competition in that position? And then next year there's a
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 13: run on left tackles to sort of you know, cancel
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 13: out for running defensive ends, or there's a run on
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 13: running backs. The next year they do linebackers that they
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 13: can't sl that up. Do you guys think that really
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 13: actually has an impact on the league when they have
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 13: a run or a deep class.
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 3: Well, I mean deep like it's all relative. I mean
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 3: when we say it's a deep class, I mean there's
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 3: good players. I mean they're not all Aaron Donald or
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 3: you know, Lawrence Taylor. You know if you had a
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 3: run on those guys. Yeah, that that affects the landscape
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 3: of the league. But I don't think we're going there. Yeah,
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 3: there's going to be some good players that come out
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 3: of this draft that will make teams, and and uh,
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 3: it will help those teams. But I don't know if
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 3: it's it's altering, it's uh, you know.
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 13: So it doesn't shift the league when there's a deep
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 13: class at won specific position.
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 4: I don't I don't think.
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  Speaker 3: I don't think so.
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  Speaker 10: No.
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 6: I think it's more about this draft often like, yeah,
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 6: you have to look at it and say, ash and
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 6: Genty might be the best running back, But is the
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 6: drop off from Ashen Genty to the running back we
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 6: could get on Day two bigger or smaller than Will
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 6: Campbell to the next best tackle that we're going to
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 6: get on day two? And I think that that's where
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 6: the arguments there are the discussions come into play about
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 6: who they're going to take at four overall is well,
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 6: Will Campbell might not be as good of a player
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 6: as Ashon Genty, but we can get you know, RJ.
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 6: Harvey on day two of the draft at running back,
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 6: and there is no equivalent to RJ. Harvey at the
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 6: tackle position. The drop off at tackle is significant, so
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 6: we have to what we'd rather lean in. You know,
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 6: I think the same thing about edge rusher, Like, yeah,
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 6: Jalen Walker is a good player, but you can find
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 6: good edge rushers in this class probably into day three
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 6: of the draft. So do you need to take the
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 6: edge rusher at four or can you take the position
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 6: of need at tackle and then take the edge rusher
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 6: on day two?
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  Speaker 3: You know, I don't think there's ever been a draft
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 3: where so many great players from one position came out
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 3: of that draft that had altered what other teams had
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 3: to do the next year too.
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 4: Right, and that like, I don't think you can control
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 4: where the talent is going to be sort of situated.
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 4: You know, I have heard a lot of different draft
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 4: guys talk about they have the most amount of running
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 4: backs in this draft with draftable grades since whatever two
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 4: thousand and eight. Or something I've heard some different years.
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 4: But that doesn't mean next year there will be like
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 4: a lot of off ball linebackers, you know that that
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 4: are going to be ready made to offset those running backs.
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 4: Like you, I don't think you control where the talent
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 4: is going to be concentrated from draft to draft.
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 6: Now multiple drafts, you know, for example, interior defensive line,
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 6: like there we are in a a what's the word
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 6: like golden era of interior pass rushers like this is
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 6: probably I mean Aaron Donald retired, So maybe that that
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 6: brings it down a slight notch. But you know, Chris Jones,
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 6: Jalen Carter, you know, those types of level players. Like
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 6: it's just all throughout the league there's great interior pass rushers.
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 6: So now guards and centers are becoming a little bit
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 6: more valuable than maybe they were five years.
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 3: Oh, I would say that over multiple drafts, there was
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 3: an alteration at quarterback in the AFC. You know, like
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 3: all of a sudden, you had Herbert and you had
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 3: Mahomes and you had Josh Allen, you know, and that
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 3: altered things, you know, the structure in the AFC. But
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 3: it's multiple years, it's never it's usually not just one.
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 4: So, but that's a good example. So the AFC right
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 4: now has you know, a half dozen top flight quarterbacks.
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 4: So if you're in the AFC, you're gonna need to
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 4: be able to play some pass defense, right, But if
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 4: the cornerbacks are not worthy of taking in the first round,
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 4: you can't just say, well, I need a cornerback, right,
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 4: you know, if they are. You know, obviously that's usually
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 4: a pretty deep position in any draft. There's a lot
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 4: of defensive backs. But that's when you get in trouble
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 4: if you say, well, I got to go up against
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 4: you know, Mahomes, you know, twice a year, and I
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 4: got to find a way to well, I can't just
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 4: take jeff A Kuda right number three. Overall, I know
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 4: Detroit Tuch Camm and not anybody in the AFC West,
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 4: But if he's not worthy of that pick, that's not
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 4: a good pick, just because you need a corner to
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 4: go against these high flying passing attacks.
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 3: Eldred's in North Carolina? What's up? Eldred?
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 6: Hey?
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 14: Out of.
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  Speaker 16: H question? Uh, gret, I love you. Behind the invo
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 16: wide receivers, Dante Thorton is my guy.
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 6: If you tell you that one, I mean if who's Tennessee.
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 4: Okay, he's in there's no question that's Eldrid's guy.
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 3: He made my envelope.
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 4: It's a good time to transition to the envelope there.
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 16: Yeah, a question, would you stick somebody's toes up doing
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 16: a draft? Give a third for the Raiders left tackle?
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 16: If he if they trade him and then let Carolina move,
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 16: what will you get a first in a second? Did
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 16: you move down and get get what you need? Would
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 16: y'all do that? Or would you stick and pick? What's
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 16: the point you got with rounds you got? And I
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 16: go from there? Thank you?
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 3: Okay, thanks Elder, Thanks Biggy.
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I'm interested in coldon Miller. I don't
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 4: know if you'd have to give up a third round
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 4: pick because you're going to have to give him a contract. Yeah,
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 4: so that would lower I would think the draft compensation.
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 6: Yeah, it would certainly free them up at the top
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 6: of it.
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 4: You're available, yeah, I don't think there's any indications so
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 4: far that he's available.
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 3: Right, that was like on day one when he didn't
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 3: show up. All these stories, they haven't heard anything.
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 4: Since he's in the contract, right, you know, yeah, knit
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 4: with the Raiders. But that doesn't mean he's available, right.
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 3: So anyway, we talked about the envelo. So here's an envelope, right,
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 3: here's the front of the envelope. In the envelope, you know,
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 3: we have something in the novel, and then you have
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 3: the back of the envelope. So, but I've only done
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 3: these are only well, we did wide receivers last week.
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 3: So I only have really kind of three positions that
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 3: I've really looked at for back of the envelope other
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 3: than wide receiver. I started with the tackle. I didn't
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 3: go into guards and centers. Who cares. I didn't get
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 3: into that.
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 6: I'll do that for you. So I don't know.
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 3: I just looked at tackles. So I have five people
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 3: on my back of the envelope. They may not all
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 3: be that unknown or you know, but Ozzie Trapillo I
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 3: like him b C.
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 4: So I picked him as a guy that could be
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 4: a Patriot.
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you know like that.
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 4: By the end of the draft, so and so will
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 4: be on the Patriots. Yeah he could be one of them.
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 3: Six eight, three, sixteen. I have him as the heir
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 3: to Moses. Right at right tackle, I have Logan Brown
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 3: out of Kansas. He's a six six three eleven. I
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 3: called him a project, never misses a game. He saw
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 3: a lot of these tackles don't miss games.
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 6: You know, very athletic, very high upside. But you probably
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 6: read this and the Beast maybe, but he's had some
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 6: He had to transfer from Wisconsin, let's just put it
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 6: to you that way for some issues that happened at
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 6: the Wisconsin program. Ye, if he if that hadn't happened,
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 6: it's one of those guys like if that hadn't happened,
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 6: we're probably talking about him pushing the top one hundred
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 6: of this draft. He's going to get knocked a couple
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 6: of rounds because of.
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 3: It's okay, the past things we do in our youth,
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 3: you know.
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 6: Yeah, we got into it with a teammate a little bit.
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 3: Another left tackle, Miles Hinton out of Michigan's six six
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 3: three twenty five. I noted that he only has one
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 3: flag in two years.
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 6: Yeah, there's a lot of people that are really high
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 6: on Miles Hinton. He's, you know, kind of one of
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 6: those guys highly touted out of high school. You know,
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 6: went to a big, you know, blue blood program, you know,
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 6: power five school, power four, whatever you call it. Uh,
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 6: there there's a there's some Day three buzz for Miles
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 6: Hinton that that's for sure.
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 3: I can't read my own writing. Left tackle Jalen is
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 3: a Travis Travis Travis out of Iowa State.
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 6: As strong as an ox, big, big dude, like six eight.
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 3: Six seven six eight three thirty nine.
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 6: Yeah, huge, huge tackle is a little stiff, little heavy footed,
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 6: but but it's got all of the people moving and
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 6: all that stuff checked.
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 7: Yep.
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 3: And then finally I have him at tackle or guard
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 3: Xavier Trust out of Georgia six seven three eighteen. He's
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 3: Rhode Island guy.
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 6: Yeah, reminds me of McLendon, Warren McClendon, who also came
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 6: from Georgia. You know, probably like a flex tackle guard,
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 6: you know, probably a backup in the league, but can
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 6: probably back up both spots, and those guys are valuable.
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Uh so that's my tackle position. Then I did
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 3: a couple of runs. Obviously, Skataboo's won.
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 4: He's you know, he's actually like your Stataboo one.
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 6: Yeah, there's some buzz about Skataboo not having as many
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 6: fans in the league as he does in the meeting.
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 4: Well, he's kind of a hard oh, and he's not
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 4: totally season He's not.
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 6: As you know, there's a lot of questions about his
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 6: play speed and his explosiveness and how athletic he truly
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 6: is and all that kind of stuff. So I'm actually
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 6: really interested to see where he goes because I think
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 6: he'll be a Day three pick.
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 4: Day three. Yeah, he's a Day three guy.
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 3: Yeah. And laquin Allan Syracuse six foot about two oh five.
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 3: He got into a fight early in his career, not
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 3: on the field, but you know that's why you like,
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 3: I'm getting in a little trouble. But he's a hard worker.
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 3: All his coaches love him, and he's got huge hands
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 3: for a running back.
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 6: Yeah. So he's probably the best all around past catching
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 6: back in this class. He's one of the few guys
• 1:22:52
  Speaker 6: that can actually block at the position. He's a very
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 6: high level pass blocker, a very good pass catcher out
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 6: of the backfield. It reminds me a little bit of
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 6: Rashad White in Tampa Bay. You know, that kind of
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 6: player that they can get out of the backfield and
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 6: catch passes. But out of everything that that you can
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 6: give to Laquinn al And he might be the best
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 6: pass bocker in the entire class.
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 4: So it's funny you brought up Rashad White. Yeah, he
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 4: was also one of the guys that Schefter had being
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 4: potentially available with the emergence of Bucky Irving. Yeah, I'd
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 4: give up a draft a late draft pick for Rashad
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 4: White if if that's something that you really want to do.
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 6: Yeah, it's gonna be tough to get any value for
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 6: running backs with the class that it is about to
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 6: come in, Like, you know, why would you trade a
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 6: draft pick when you could draft one.
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 4: Of these Dudescause I have a guy who's ready made.
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 4: I don't have to wait for him to be ready,
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 4: that's true.
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 3: And then I only picked two for defensive end edge
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 3: because it's such a deep draft. For that it's like
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 3: they're all pretty good as you can see. I like
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 3: the local guys. Donovan ez Juraku. Yeah, so from BC
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 3: six to forty eight ACC Defensive Player of the Year.
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I think that's something. Yeah, had like sixteen sacks
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 6: last year. He is agent switched up.
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm surprised that you didn't know of him, not really,
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 4: like just because of the name, Like it's a you know,
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 4: stands out.
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 3: And then the late draft guy, maybe even Ah.
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 4: He's a first round a.
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 3: Free undrafted free agent R j Oben out of Notre
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 3: Dame sixty three two fifty one. He's more polished than
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 3: you would think as a pass rusher, has a lot
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 3: of experience. I think he's played six years. He played
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 3: at Duke before Notre Dame. It's nothing else. He's special teams,
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 3: but I think he could actually become a rotational pass rusher.
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 6: He's got some moves in his arsenal. He's he's not
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 6: quite the athlete that some of these other guys are,
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 6: which is why he's gonna go a little bit later.
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 4: But he's got skills.
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 6: He's got skilled he's got hands, he's got heavy hands,
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 6: he's got some counters to his game. He's he was
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 6: it was the word. He was decent and mobile, like
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 6: we saw him at the Senior Bowl and he was solid.
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 6: But Donovan Azaraku, who is one of my favorites, he's
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 6: he's gonna go early. I you know, just twitched up,
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 6: sudden mover, can rush off the edge, speed, rush beat
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 6: you inside defense the run. Well, just a really good player.
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 3: So Asaraku probably doesn't qualify as a back of the
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 3: envelope guy, he's too.
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 6: He's a top thirty two talent in the draft.
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 4: Yeah, so I think I want to say it was
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 4: the Florida State game that I really noticed him, Like
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 4: he wrecked that game.
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 6: Yeah, he's right there with you know, like Mike Green
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 6: and Shamar Stewart and all those guys. You know, he's
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 6: a little bit cleaner off the field than my Green.
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 6: So I could actually see him going ahead of Mike
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 6: Green in the draft. I think he's a back end
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 6: of the first round talent.
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 3: Okay, Yeah, so I hope to get to, uh, defensive backs, linebackers,
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 3: and tight ends. Those are the other three positions I
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 3: want to get to before doing Jaggie.
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 4: Wide receivers this year.
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 3: Already, did I know?
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 4: But they were good ones?
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 3: No, n oh yeah, nickname Thornton's late draft.
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 4: You had, you had Nick.
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 6: He's not Day one or two, right, Dante Thornton. Yeah,
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 6: but he's so.
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 3: I can sit anyone that's day three. I consider that's
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 3: back of the envelope, you know.
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 6: Sure, right, Yeah, you're right, those are good names. Good tackles,
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 6: You are right, good tackles. Those guys, I think, you know,
• 1:26:09
  Speaker 6: Logan Brown, Travis like those guys are all flyers at
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 6: the You know on day three that a lot of
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 6: people have liked it throughout this process. You know, size
• 1:26:19
  Speaker 6: with Travis and athleticism with Brown. Yeah.
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 3: Okay, so let's get back to the phones. We've got
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 3: Kareem in Boston. What's up, Kareem?
• 1:26:29
  Speaker 17: Hey, guys, it's Boston dream here on my question, is
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 17: there any chance that we completely hunt on left tackle
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 17: when we just take a flyer and the team just
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 17: goes best player available and then addresses the position next year?
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 4: I do think I would say there's a chance. I
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 4: think it's probably unlikely, but yeah, I could make an
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 4: argument for.
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 3: That, yep.
• 1:26:51
  Speaker 17: And then is there any chance that we can bring
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 17: back the pickleback shots this year for the draft show?
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 4: Oh?
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 3: What's what do you say?
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 4: Pickle juice the shots? Yeah, pickleback shots. So you guys
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 4: didn't you and Andy do that one year?
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 3: I don't know.
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 6: I don't think you need to do that left tackle
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 6: like you don't need to. I don't think you need
• 1:27:12
  Speaker 6: to skip it like. I think there's gonna if you
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 6: truly want to stick to the board and play best player, like,
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 6: there's gonna be tackles on that you're gonna be able
• 1:27:19
  Speaker 6: to draft it the spots on day you know, day one,
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 6: day two that you can justify sticking to the board
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 6: and taking those guys. I don't think you have to
• 1:27:29
  Speaker 6: thank Boston a position.
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 3: Let's go to Brad in Ohio. What's up, Brad?
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 13: Hey, how you guys doing today?
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 3: Okay?
• 1:27:39
  Speaker 15: Ready for the draft?
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 3: Getting ready?
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 6: Getting there?
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 14: That's right. A couple of quick questions for you guys today,
• 1:27:47
  Speaker 14: keep up the good job. Just to qu uh if
• 1:27:52
  Speaker 14: we look at it from a defensive perspective and gleaming
• 1:27:56
  Speaker 14: from what Rabel said in his interview, which defensive player
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 14: do you think would be the best to counter from
• 1:28:05
  Speaker 14: a Patrick Mahomes, Allen and Jackson given uh, you know
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 14: that position, because he'd be talked about a premium position.
• 1:28:14
  Speaker 14: So I'm thinking he's going to go somebody to try
• 1:28:17
  Speaker 14: to go after one of them. Who would be the
• 1:28:19
  Speaker 14: best for that?
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 15: That's my first question.
• 1:28:22
  Speaker 14: And then there's a couple Iowa players a defensive tackle
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 14: Yaya Black I believe, and linebacker Higgins that I'd like
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 14: to see maybe looked into. And then Luke Lackie a
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 14: tight end. And I did ask Evan and Alex once
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 14: about double dipping a tight end. And the reason why
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 14: is because the ones we have are good, but they're
• 1:28:47
  Speaker 14: just kind of old. So I was wondering if maybe
• 1:28:50
  Speaker 14: we should you know, upgrade for Drake's perspectives.
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 3: Yeah, tight ends, you know, Yeah, yeah, all right, thanks Brad.
• 1:28:59
  Speaker 6: I don't think you have the draft two of them.
• 1:29:00
  Speaker 6: I don't see the need for that. But adding a
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 6: tight end to the developmental pipeline.
• 1:29:06
  Speaker 3: The first question about like who's the best, the best
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 3: to go after I would I.
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 4: Mean, yeah, it's abdul Cotter in this draft. I mean,
• 1:29:17
  Speaker 4: I like Jalen Walker, you know, as a realistic possibility
• 1:29:20
  Speaker 4: at four. But that's one thing that stood out to
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 4: me with rabel Is when he talked about, sort of
• 1:29:28
  Speaker 4: as introductory press conference, guys who affect the quarterback. And
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 4: that's why I think they still have a need for
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 4: edge rush. And I think Evan's point about the depth
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 4: of that spot makes a lot of sense, Like I
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 4: don't necessarily think you need to use the fourth overall
• 1:29:46
  Speaker 4: pick on that position, because you can get a really
• 1:29:48
  Speaker 4: good one, as you said, Fred with Azaraku as a
• 1:29:52
  Speaker 4: guy later in the first round that might be available
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 4: even at the top of the second when you go,
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 4: is that that much of a difference. Probably not, ye,
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 4: especially with with Walker, even though I have a crush
• 1:30:02
  Speaker 4: on Walker, there is some question as to whether does
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 4: he fit best as a pure edge guy or is
• 1:30:08
  Speaker 4: he sort of an off the ball linebacker type who
• 1:30:10
  Speaker 4: can do sort of those different things. You know, he's smaller,
• 1:30:14
  Speaker 4: but kind of like Don the high tower where you
• 1:30:16
  Speaker 4: use him as an edge rusher and certain situations he
• 1:30:19
  Speaker 4: comes up the a gap. On other situations, He's not
• 1:30:21
  Speaker 4: as big as his high tower, as I said, But
• 1:30:24
  Speaker 4: how much has that kind of versatility?
• 1:30:26
  Speaker 3: How much do we have to factor in the vraable
• 1:30:30
  Speaker 3: type of player in trying to figure out who's going
• 1:30:32
  Speaker 3: to get picked.
• 1:30:34
  Speaker 6: I do think it's getting a tad overrated, thank you
• 1:30:37
  Speaker 6: at this point.
• 1:30:38
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:30:38
  Speaker 6: I think there are certain positions, you know where they
• 1:30:41
  Speaker 6: talk about effort and finish. Well, if you're gonna play
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 6: defense or offensive line, then effort and finish is going
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 6: to be a big part of the position that you play.
• 1:30:49
  Speaker 6: But are they going to take a guy you know,
• 1:30:51
  Speaker 6: Jalen Walker is getting a lot of buzz because he
• 1:30:54
  Speaker 6: has got all the intangible qualities that vrabel wants. He's
• 1:30:59
  Speaker 6: going to be a team captain. Someday, He's gonna have
• 1:31:02
  Speaker 6: great effort and finish. He's gonna be, you know, one
• 1:31:05
  Speaker 6: of those high character guys in the locker room and
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 6: want that and that.
• 1:31:11
  Speaker 4: And that's why I think Evans percent right. He's a
• 1:31:14
  Speaker 4: rable guy. Like what coach doesn't want guys that play hard,
• 1:31:18
  Speaker 4: you know, work, they work hard on and off the field,
• 1:31:21
  Speaker 4: the team oriented, they finish, play to the whistlelake right,
• 1:31:24
  Speaker 4: I mean all coaches want those kinds of things.
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, yeah, you know. With Jalen Walker, I posted
• 1:31:31
  Speaker 6: a breakdown of him today and I think, Paul, you
• 1:31:34
  Speaker 6: nailed it to me. Like I have Jalen Walker as
• 1:31:35
  Speaker 6: a linebacker, A lot of people have Jaalen Walker as
• 1:31:38
  Speaker 6: an edge rusher. I just at six one, two forty,
• 1:31:41
  Speaker 6: I don't see how you're gonna play edge rusher full
• 1:31:42
  Speaker 6: time in the NFL. So I look at him as
• 1:31:45
  Speaker 6: high tower, like he's gonna play off the ball on
• 1:31:47
  Speaker 6: first and second down and then on third down they'll
• 1:31:49
  Speaker 6: put him in the pass rush somewhere, whether it's you know,
• 1:31:52
  Speaker 6: over the guard or out over the tackle. But I
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 6: don't see him as a full time pass rusher. Guy
• 1:31:58
  Speaker 6: off the edge. But I think that he's gonna be
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 6: able to do a little bit of both. And he's
• 1:32:02
  Speaker 6: gonna bring the intangibles in the in the football character
• 1:32:06
  Speaker 6: side of.
• 1:32:06
  Speaker 4: It, and he definitely has that. I mean they people
• 1:32:09
  Speaker 4: speak of him really glowingly in terms yeah leadership and professionalism.
• 1:32:15
  Speaker 6: He has a chance to be like a captain as
• 1:32:17
  Speaker 6: a second year player, like you know that, like a
• 1:32:19
  Speaker 6: Devin mccordy type of captain for a decade type of player.
• 1:32:23
  Speaker 6: But is he the best player on the football field,
• 1:32:27
  Speaker 6: which is what you know Rabel said at his introductor
• 1:32:30
  Speaker 6: in his press conference, you know, pre draft press conference,
• 1:32:32
  Speaker 6: was He's gotta be a good football player first, Like
• 1:32:35
  Speaker 6: we're not just drafting a bunch of boy scouts. You
• 1:32:37
  Speaker 6: have to have good football players first.
• 1:32:39
  Speaker 3: Michael writes, And I'm interested in the idea of trading down.
• 1:32:42
  Speaker 3: If we trade down with the Saints at number nine,
• 1:32:44
  Speaker 3: what are the chances will Campbell will still be available?
• 1:32:47
  Speaker 3: And if not, do we hit the panic button and
• 1:32:48
  Speaker 3: grab Kelvin Banks or armored Membu at nine.
• 1:32:52
  Speaker 4: So I'm glad you brought this up. I do think
• 1:32:54
  Speaker 4: there's a chance that you could do something like that.
• 1:32:56
  Speaker 4: I don't know exactly what the odds are, but I
• 1:32:58
  Speaker 4: don't think it's out of the ramapass ability that you
• 1:33:00
  Speaker 4: could still get Campbell. I want to talk to Evan
• 1:33:03
  Speaker 4: about Kelvin Banks a little bit. Yeah, you guys know,
• 1:33:05
  Speaker 4: like going back to like during the season, Kelvin Banks
• 1:33:08
  Speaker 4: was my tackle of choice. Yeah, he sort of slipped
• 1:33:12
  Speaker 4: after getting you know, ironically getting dominated by my guy
• 1:33:16
  Speaker 4: Jalen Walker and that Georgia Mikels defense. Yeah, he seems
• 1:33:23
  Speaker 4: to be on the rise again. Am I imagining that?
• 1:33:25
  Speaker 6: Yeah, we're getting uh, we're going full circle here with
• 1:33:29
  Speaker 6: two guys Tet McMillan and Kelvin Banks. Sounds like a
• 1:33:33
  Speaker 6: lot of the buzz that Tet McMillan was gonna fall
• 1:33:35
  Speaker 6: maybe to like the twenty range that seems to be
• 1:33:38
  Speaker 6: a little bit overblown. Similarly, with Banks, I think both
• 1:33:41
  Speaker 6: those guys are you know, probably going the ten to
• 1:33:43
  Speaker 6: twenty range conservatively, but are still going to go early
• 1:33:47
  Speaker 6: in the draft. I think the one thing that people
• 1:33:49
  Speaker 6: have concerns with with Banks that tackle, because a lot
• 1:33:52
  Speaker 6: of people project Banks to play guard at the next level.
• 1:33:56
  Speaker 6: Actually he's he's a guard in the beast, you know.
• 1:33:58
  Speaker 6: Dan Brugler has him as a guard. The more space
• 1:34:01
  Speaker 6: he plays in, the body control and the balance is
• 1:34:04
  Speaker 6: not always there. So when he gets out on an
• 1:34:06
  Speaker 6: island against pass pass rushers and he's got a dance
• 1:34:09
  Speaker 6: with those guys out there, he's not the best at
• 1:34:11
  Speaker 6: sustaining blocks and being able to stay connected to those
• 1:34:15
  Speaker 6: pass rushers. So some people think that his playing style
• 1:34:18
  Speaker 6: is a little bit more conducive to playing inside versus outside.
• 1:34:21
  Speaker 6: But I think that the league views him as a
• 1:34:23
  Speaker 6: top twenty player in the class.
• 1:34:25
  Speaker 4: And I think, yeah, it's funny. I mean, I don't
• 1:34:27
  Speaker 4: pretend to be the expert on offensive line play, but
• 1:34:30
  Speaker 4: he seems to me to have prototypical.
• 1:34:32
  Speaker 6: There's a lot of parotypical trades. Extremely wide bodied guy.
• 1:34:36
  Speaker 6: You know, he's got the length, he's got the foot speed, athleticism,
• 1:34:40
  Speaker 6: but a really good run blocker already.
• 1:34:43
  Speaker 4: Again, it's not a lot of character to Fred high
• 1:34:46
  Speaker 4: character guy Ki Banks.
• 1:34:47
  Speaker 3: There you go, yep, Jack and and Auber. Who's our
• 1:34:51
  Speaker 3: insider at Michigan, he says, Miles hint and transferred to
• 1:34:53
  Speaker 3: Michigan from Stanford. He played very little his first year
• 1:34:56
  Speaker 3: to do to injury. He played left tackle the next season.
• 1:34:59
  Speaker 3: He never lived up to his billing. He's a huge
• 1:35:01
  Speaker 3: guy who doesn't play physically. Early on, he struggled with
• 1:35:04
  Speaker 3: pass protection. He eventually settled in as a solid, but
• 1:35:08
  Speaker 3: not dominant left tackle. I'm skeptical he will ever develop
• 1:35:11
  Speaker 3: into a starting left tackle in the NFL. He would
• 1:35:14
  Speaker 3: be worth drafting in the sixth or seventh round. Perhaps
• 1:35:17
  Speaker 3: Hinton has a better future in the NFL as a guard.
• 1:35:21
  Speaker 6: I don't know about the guard part. I mean, I
• 1:35:23
  Speaker 6: watched him at tackle, and I just if you're going
• 1:35:26
  Speaker 6: day three, like I think he's spot on that he's
• 1:35:28
  Speaker 6: a Day three pick, there's no doubt about that. But
• 1:35:30
  Speaker 6: if you're going day three, he's got a lot of
• 1:35:33
  Speaker 6: the raw tools and measurables that lend themselves to a
• 1:35:37
  Speaker 6: higher ceiling than some of the other guys you know
• 1:35:39
  Speaker 6: over thirty four inch arms, really good athlete, you know,
• 1:35:43
  Speaker 6: highly touted guy that never lived up to the building.
• 1:35:45
  Speaker 6: But you put him in the right program with the
• 1:35:47
  Speaker 6: right coach and maybe you get you know, that five
• 1:35:51
  Speaker 6: star talent out of him. So as a day three flyer,
• 1:35:54
  Speaker 6: like that's what teams are looking for, or the guys
• 1:35:56
  Speaker 6: that have some upside and some ceiling to them.
• 1:35:59
  Speaker 3: At that point of the draft, spiin Frezo says, listening
• 1:36:02
  Speaker 3: to the first three callers speaking and not being heard
• 1:36:04
  Speaker 3: by you guys and then getting hung up on with hilarious.
• 1:36:07
  Speaker 3: Four boys had to walk the plank, and Fred, my
• 1:36:10
  Speaker 3: appliance guy, gave the thumbs up on speed. Queen. Oh
• 1:36:13
  Speaker 3: it's yeah, listen, I know what I'm talking about there
• 1:36:19
  Speaker 3: Ford in Savannah. Fred, let it be known we were
• 1:36:22
  Speaker 3: lockstep on lad and now we are once again with
• 1:36:25
  Speaker 3: Tyler Warren Evan. Him being good at multitude of things
• 1:36:29
  Speaker 3: is not a good argument for not selecting him. Let's
• 1:36:32
  Speaker 3: go Patriots, please surprise us.
• 1:36:34
  Speaker 6: It was really good at multiple things, but wasn't actually good.
• 1:36:37
  Speaker 6: Adelius Thomas like, I feel like there's a lot of
• 1:36:40
  Speaker 6: players like that that are just like it, just I mean,
• 1:36:46
  Speaker 6: obviously different positions, but like I think in the league
• 1:36:49
  Speaker 6: you have to have a something that you're elite at
• 1:36:52
  Speaker 6: to truly move the needle for a team. Like what
• 1:36:54
  Speaker 6: is the one thing that you can hang your hat
• 1:36:56
  Speaker 6: on and say I am awesome at this?
• 1:36:59
  Speaker 4: That's the question in this draft, because I would agree
• 1:37:02
  Speaker 4: with you, you need to be elite at something if
• 1:37:03
  Speaker 4: you're going to be one of those picks. Yeah, you're
• 1:37:05
  Speaker 4: gonna be a top ten pick in a draft. You
• 1:37:08
  Speaker 4: got to have an elite trade. But maybe in this
• 1:37:10
  Speaker 4: draft there aren't a lot of guys with elite traits. Yeah,
• 1:37:13
  Speaker 4: so you just picture the next best.
• 1:37:14
  Speaker 6: He's one of the cleanest prospects in the draft. Like you,
• 1:37:17
  Speaker 6: you're going to get a starting at tight end. I
• 1:37:19
  Speaker 6: just don't know if he's going to be an elite
• 1:37:21
  Speaker 6: tight end. You know, he's going to be a good
• 1:37:23
  Speaker 6: tight end for a long time. I'm also agist, so
• 1:37:26
  Speaker 6: that's part of it too. He's older, and I don't
• 1:37:29
  Speaker 6: I don't love older prospects. Like, it's not impressive to
• 1:37:32
  Speaker 6: me when like a twenty four year old owns eighteen
• 1:37:35
  Speaker 6: year olds.
• 1:37:35
  Speaker 4: You don't have to agree with you on the on
• 1:37:38
  Speaker 4: that as Belichick, Yeah, tended to gravitate to the underclassman
• 1:37:44
  Speaker 4: a lot. Yeah, liked he liked the younger guys.
• 1:37:46
  Speaker 3: Well, I think yeah, I mean bost teams. That's why
• 1:37:49
  Speaker 3: those those when those juniors declare, they go higher because
• 1:37:52
  Speaker 3: you get them for you know, they're.
• 1:37:54
  Speaker 4: Well, it's part of it, yeah, I mean mostly they
• 1:37:57
  Speaker 4: just more talented. Yeah, it took what five years to
• 1:38:00
  Speaker 4: really where would those two wide receivers go if they
• 1:38:03
  Speaker 4: came out right now? You know, Ryan was it? Ryan
• 1:38:06
  Speaker 4: Williams and Jeremiah Smith.
• 1:38:08
  Speaker 6: Jeremiah Smith might be the first pick.
• 1:38:09
  Speaker 4: They might probably both be in the top ten anyway.
• 1:38:13
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, Nick in Connecticut. If Luther Burden slips into
• 1:38:17
  Speaker 3: the late first, early second round, I'd love for the
• 1:38:19
  Speaker 3: Patriots to find a way to get him. This got
• 1:38:21
  Speaker 3: me thinking about how we and Diggs, how he and
• 1:38:24
  Speaker 3: Diggs would gel in the locker room and on the field.
• 1:38:26
  Speaker 3: I believe both have a similar skill set, so if
• 1:38:29
  Speaker 3: Diggs was willing to mentor him, it could be an
• 1:38:32
  Speaker 3: amazing fit. With that said, I know Diggs has had
• 1:38:35
  Speaker 3: the reputation of being a distraction and sometimes not having
• 1:38:38
  Speaker 3: the best attitude. With the Burdens red flags come into
• 1:38:41
  Speaker 3: the league, it could potentially exacerbate the issue instead of
• 1:38:45
  Speaker 3: it being a positive. I'm just interested in where you
• 1:38:48
  Speaker 3: guys fall on that.
• 1:38:49
  Speaker 4: So I'm just going to talk about Diggs and I'll
• 1:38:51
  Speaker 4: let I'll let f talk about Burden, who I love,
• 1:38:55
  Speaker 4: by the way, but just the whole off field thing
• 1:38:59
  Speaker 4: with Diggs, and this is something I've argued with Mike
• 1:39:01
  Speaker 4: about a lot and I wish he was here For
• 1:39:04
  Speaker 4: a guy who is like as big a problem as
• 1:39:06
  Speaker 4: everybody makes him out to be. He's been on nothing
• 1:39:08
  Speaker 4: but winning teams. In Minnesota they won, in Buffalo they won,
• 1:39:13
  Speaker 4: and last year in Houston they won. So he can't
• 1:39:16
  Speaker 4: be that disruptive. He's always part of a winning bad now,
• 1:39:21
  Speaker 4: I understand that. I understand that. You know who else
• 1:39:23
  Speaker 4: didn't win it all? Logan Mankin. Do you think he
• 1:39:25
  Speaker 4: was disruptive?
• 1:39:26
  Speaker 3: Well when he had his contract thing?
• 1:39:28
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's why they didn't win it all?
• 1:39:30
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:39:31
  Speaker 6: Yeah. I love Luther Burden. I have him as the
• 1:39:35
  Speaker 6: third best receiver in the class. I think he's getting
• 1:39:39
  Speaker 6: dinged for the off field stuff and for the character stuff,
• 1:39:42
  Speaker 6: And to me, he's the biggest litmus test of the
• 1:39:45
  Speaker 6: whole Rabel thing in this entire draft. Like, if the
• 1:39:48
  Speaker 6: Patriots passed on Luther Burden at thirty eight, then I
• 1:39:52
  Speaker 6: will be hundred percent sold that Rabel's football character. And
• 1:39:57
  Speaker 6: you know, getting the right kind of guy is holding
• 1:40:00
  Speaker 6: a lot of weight in the draft room because that
• 1:40:02
  Speaker 6: guy is definitely a first round talent. So like, you
• 1:40:05
  Speaker 6: can't pass on him on thirty eight based off the
• 1:40:07
  Speaker 6: football I think He's a little bit different than Diggs,
• 1:40:10
  Speaker 6: Like he's better after the catch and he's more elusive
• 1:40:13
  Speaker 6: with the ball in his hands than Stefan Diggs, but
• 1:40:16
  Speaker 6: not maybe as good of a route runner as Diggs is,
• 1:40:19
  Speaker 6: But he's to me, he's like a Zay Flowers, Deebo
• 1:40:22
  Speaker 6: Samuel type of receiver. But I love Luther Burden and
• 1:40:26
  Speaker 6: another one young player early breakout, true sophomore breakout in
• 1:40:30
  Speaker 6: twenty twenty three. And I think that last year was
• 1:40:33
  Speaker 6: just a bad year for the program. It was a
• 1:40:35
  Speaker 6: bad year for the quarterback, it was a bad year
• 1:40:37
  Speaker 6: for everybody at Missouri that didn't live up to the
• 1:40:39
  Speaker 6: expectations and not hurt him.
• 1:40:42
  Speaker 4: And just you know, with that character concern out of
• 1:40:45
  Speaker 4: the draft for Vrabel, it's worth mentioning he took a
• 1:40:49
  Speaker 4: handful of risks in Tennessee and for the most part,
• 1:40:53
  Speaker 4: was not rewarded for them. I believe one major hit
• 1:40:57
  Speaker 4: in that regard was Jeffrey Simmons, who had some questions
• 1:41:00
  Speaker 4: coming out, and obviously that was a home run. But
• 1:41:03
  Speaker 4: he also took Isaiah Wilson, the guy who played like
• 1:41:07
  Speaker 4: played like five plays for him as a first round pick.
• 1:41:10
  Speaker 4: There was a lot of questions. I remember at the COMBA.
• 1:41:12
  Speaker 4: I believe that was one of my last combines. There
• 1:41:15
  Speaker 4: were a lot of questions about him there in Indy.
• 1:41:18
  Speaker 4: They took him anyway in the first round and he
• 1:41:20
  Speaker 4: was out of the league. I think he like literally
• 1:41:22
  Speaker 4: played like less than a game in the league. Caleb
• 1:41:26
  Speaker 4: Farley was an injury risk that obviously turned out to
• 1:41:30
  Speaker 4: be valid. He didn't play a whole lot, so he's
• 1:41:33
  Speaker 4: taken some risks.
• 1:41:35
  Speaker 6: The injury one. In his pre draft press conference, that's
• 1:41:38
  Speaker 6: what he pointed out specifically when it comes to what
• 1:41:40
  Speaker 6: did you learn? The question was what did you learn
• 1:41:43
  Speaker 6: from Tennessee? And they took some injury risks early on
• 1:41:46
  Speaker 6: in the draft. And that's why I've more or less
• 1:41:49
  Speaker 6: crossed Josh Simmons off the list. I think that he's
• 1:41:52
  Speaker 6: going to learn from some of the change his ways,
• 1:41:55
  Speaker 6: I guess is a better way to put it. With
• 1:41:57
  Speaker 6: some of those things. When it comes to injured guys,
• 1:41:59
  Speaker 6: there's a couple other guys that have popped up. Now
• 1:42:02
  Speaker 6: you start to hear about the guys that have medical
• 1:42:05
  Speaker 6: red flags on them from teams this time of year.
• 1:42:07
  Speaker 6: You know, Jeehat Campbell's another one will Johnson has like
• 1:42:11
  Speaker 6: a knee thing that people are worried about now.
• 1:42:14
  Speaker 4: Is that what I want to ask you about him too.
• 1:42:16
  Speaker 4: He's the corner from Michigan Freddie. Yeah, you know, and
• 1:42:18
  Speaker 4: there was some questions about his sort of speed, you know,
• 1:42:23
  Speaker 4: his long speed, and now that he's dealing with his
• 1:42:26
  Speaker 4: knee thing, generally you're not going to gain speed. It's
• 1:42:29
  Speaker 4: not like Tommy John's surgery where you know, all of
• 1:42:31
  Speaker 4: a sudden you start throwing three miles an hour hotter
• 1:42:33
  Speaker 4: after you go under the knife. Is there concerns about
• 1:42:38
  Speaker 4: Will Johnson?
• 1:42:39
  Speaker 6: It sounds like it's more longevity than it is, like
• 1:42:42
  Speaker 6: he's hurt right now. I think it's more of like
• 1:42:44
  Speaker 6: a Sony Michelle situation of like how long is the
• 1:42:47
  Speaker 6: knee gonna hold up?
• 1:42:48
  Speaker 4: That's a tough one.
• 1:42:49
  Speaker 3: Joe writes in I think they should be giving serious
• 1:42:52
  Speaker 3: consideration to taking genty. The examples like McCaffrey and Barkley
• 1:42:56
  Speaker 3: are examples where teams never had and never got a
• 1:42:59
  Speaker 3: quarterback for at least this year. You should be building
• 1:43:02
  Speaker 3: your teams under the assumption you do. If may proves
• 1:43:04
  Speaker 3: to be bad, you can reassess teams who had the
• 1:43:07
  Speaker 3: quarterback ended up doing very well drafting a running back
• 1:43:10
  Speaker 3: high some pro running back examples Dallas with Dak and Zeke,
• 1:43:15
  Speaker 3: the Rams with Goff and Gurley, and even the Jags
• 1:43:18
  Speaker 3: with Fournette and Bortles. If you can trade down and
• 1:43:21
  Speaker 3: get Genty, I think that's your best bet. Trade back up,
• 1:43:24
  Speaker 3: get a left tackle, then find a pass rusher and
• 1:43:27
  Speaker 3: guard with those third rounders.
• 1:43:29
  Speaker 4: It's basically Evans argument.
• 1:43:30
  Speaker 6: It's a fair then like it's a it's a fair plan.
• 1:43:33
  Speaker 6: Then you know. The Dallas one I think is Dallas
• 1:43:37
  Speaker 6: drafted Dak the same class that they drafted Zeke, and
• 1:43:39
  Speaker 6: they stumbled into Dak Prescott. He was a fourth round
• 1:43:42
  Speaker 6: pick that turned out to be a franchise quarterback.
• 1:43:44
  Speaker 4: I like his argument, I would question his examples, Like
• 1:43:48
  Speaker 4: Leonard Fournette is an example of a good pick at
• 1:43:50
  Speaker 4: four they did make because they had because they had
• 1:43:53
  Speaker 4: Blake Bortles.
• 1:43:54
  Speaker 6: Yeah, like they.
• 1:43:55
  Speaker 4: Had a good but they had an unbelievable team right
• 1:43:59
  Speaker 4: that was very talented and probably should have gone to
• 1:44:02
  Speaker 4: the Super Bowl. They probably should have beaten the Patriots
• 1:44:04
  Speaker 4: that day, and that that's what seventeen AFC Championship. Yeah,
• 1:44:09
  Speaker 4: they had the Patriots dead and buried. But I would
• 1:44:12
  Speaker 4: argue that just because you had success for a fleeting
• 1:44:15
  Speaker 4: season doesn't mean that that was a good pick.
• 1:44:18
  Speaker 6: Yeah, and Gurley and Goff's a good one. But Gurley
• 1:44:21
  Speaker 6: is another example of a running back that flamed out
• 1:44:23
  Speaker 6: after his rookie contract. So the longevity thing.
• 1:44:26
  Speaker 4: Is thanks for reminding me of that one, because that,
• 1:44:29
  Speaker 4: to me is that that should be the post of childhood.
• 1:44:31
  Speaker 4: Why you don't do that right because it's such a
• 1:44:34
  Speaker 4: short shelf life?
• 1:44:35
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yep, let's see this is uh John, where's he from? Denver?
• 1:44:44
  Speaker 3: Calls himself the Denver omelet?
• 1:44:47
  Speaker 4: Uh?
• 1:44:47
  Speaker 6: Little?
• 1:44:47
  Speaker 3: Would you rather game? Would you rather draft all offensive
• 1:44:52
  Speaker 3: players or draft all defensive players?
• 1:44:54
  Speaker 4: All offense this year? In this draft this year offense?
• 1:44:58
  Speaker 3: Okay? Would you rather trade Drake made of the Giants
• 1:45:01
  Speaker 3: for neighbors in the number three pick? Or Trey Drake
• 1:45:04
  Speaker 3: and number four for Patrick Mahomes? Bonus? This forces Kelsey
• 1:45:08
  Speaker 3: to cry and retire in his podcast, and he and
• 1:45:11
  Speaker 3: Taylor break up.
• 1:45:12
  Speaker 4: Patrick Mahomes, Yeah, I have no interest in the Giants.
• 1:45:14
  Speaker 6: Yeah, only I wouldn't do that Giants trade.
• 1:45:16
  Speaker 4: No, No, but I would do it The Kansas City one.
• 1:45:19
  Speaker 3: Yeah, film rookie content trout fishing with Travis Hunter or
• 1:45:25
  Speaker 3: Russell Gators with Will Campbell.
• 1:45:27
  Speaker 6: I want nothing to do with gators, so yeah, they'll
• 1:45:30
  Speaker 6: take the farm on.
• 1:45:31
  Speaker 3: That scenario, Mike Rabel is abducted by aliens. Who would
• 1:45:35
  Speaker 3: you rather bring back as head coach? Gerard Mayo, Bill
• 1:45:39
  Speaker 3: Belichick or Josh McDaniels, Bill.
• 1:45:41
  Speaker 4: Belichick, Josh, Josh McDaniels.
• 1:45:43
  Speaker 6: Did rather bring Josh McDaniels back, Yeah than Bill?
• 1:45:47
  Speaker 3: Yeah, we didn't. I just bringing Bill back.
• 1:45:50
  Speaker 4: I didn't say that Josh McDaniels is a better head
• 1:45:52
  Speaker 4: coach than Bill Belichick. If you ask me right now
• 1:45:54
  Speaker 4: what I'd rather have, I'd rather have Josh McDaniels than
• 1:45:57
  Speaker 4: a seventy four or three whatever you're old, Bill Belichick's
• 1:46:01
  Speaker 4: little that's crazy. I saw enough of Bill at the end.
• 1:46:04
  Speaker 4: I don't think he was the same coach.
• 1:46:05
  Speaker 6: Didn't see Josh in Vegas.
• 1:46:07
  Speaker 4: I didn't say that was great, didn't say that.
• 1:46:11
  Speaker 3: Would you rather win Super Bowl fifty two with Brady's
• 1:46:14
  Speaker 3: comeback drive? And Bill reveals why Malcolm Butler didn't play
• 1:46:17
  Speaker 3: or win Super Bowl forty two in the nineteen and
• 1:46:20
  Speaker 3: o C nineteen not even a question. Would you rather
• 1:46:26
  Speaker 3: spend the day with Jack and and Aba touring the
• 1:46:29
  Speaker 3: Michigan facility while he talks about every obscure Michigan player
• 1:46:32
  Speaker 3: that the Patriots should draft, or may even get to
• 1:46:35
  Speaker 3: smell harbors and you even get to smell Harbor's use
• 1:46:40
  Speaker 3: skivvies at the end, Or spend the day with Christian
• 1:46:43
  Speaker 3: in La and his fifth home on the Amalfi Coast
• 1:46:46
  Speaker 3: seeing how people in that tax bracket live. The two
• 1:46:49
  Speaker 3: of you can spit from his high tower down to
• 1:46:52
  Speaker 3: the rest of us Heathens.
• 1:46:53
  Speaker 6: Definitely Christian.
• 1:46:54
  Speaker 4: Christian seems like he might just be throwing it around
• 1:46:58
  Speaker 4: a little bit. Hey here we go.
• 1:47:01
  Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, he doesn't like Christian in La, so.
• 1:47:06
  Speaker 4: Poor Christian in La. I like how he gets on
• 1:47:08
  Speaker 4: every call now when he has his preemptive I know,
• 1:47:11
  Speaker 4: people retort to all his critics.
• 1:47:14
  Speaker 6: I do think it's funny that he also brings up
• 1:47:16
  Speaker 6: the weather in La and he's like, it's finally getting warm.
• 1:47:18
  Speaker 6: It's like it's always warm, Like what do you mean
• 1:47:20
  Speaker 6: it's finally getting warm? Like you go out to La.
• 1:47:24
  Speaker 6: The coldest that gets is like forty degrees.
• 1:47:26
  Speaker 4: We had a beautiful day here on Saturday. It's like,
• 1:47:28
  Speaker 4: you know, I think could hit the eighties. Yeah, at
• 1:47:30
  Speaker 4: one point, and I had a bunch of stuff to do.
• 1:47:33
  Speaker 4: I got a lot of stuff done. I very much enjoyed,
• 1:47:35
  Speaker 4: actually for a change, doing yard work because it was
• 1:47:38
  Speaker 4: so nice out. But I didn't get to golf. So
• 1:47:41
  Speaker 4: I went golfing yesterday afternoon and we were back in
• 1:47:44
  Speaker 4: the fifties with like thirty mile an hour, wins in
• 1:47:46
  Speaker 4: my face on every shot. That's in a related story.
• 1:47:50
  Speaker 4: I sucked. Fred's not even paying attention. No, no, what's
• 1:47:56
  Speaker 4: the matter, Like how nice it was on Saturday, But
• 1:48:01
  Speaker 4: I was busy with other stuff. I didn't get to
• 1:48:03
  Speaker 4: golf and enjoy that weather. I played yesterday and it
• 1:48:06
  Speaker 4: was back to like fifty degrees wind in your face
• 1:48:09
  Speaker 4: every shot in it, and I suck. Where'd you play
• 1:48:12
  Speaker 4: the meadows and peevity the meadows?
• 1:48:14
  Speaker 10: Yeah?
• 1:48:15
  Speaker 6: Fancy, it's not.
• 1:48:17
  Speaker 4: It's a public course. It's not fancy.
• 1:48:19
  Speaker 6: Sounds fancy, let's see.
• 1:48:23
  Speaker 4: Ryan, really not. It doesn't even have a clubhouse.
• 1:48:26
  Speaker 3: Ryan, and Watertown appreciates everything we do with the draft.
• 1:48:30
  Speaker 3: This Thursday, I'm sure everyone is going to ask questions
• 1:48:33
  Speaker 3: about wide receiver. I'd like to hear your perspective on
• 1:48:36
  Speaker 3: this scenario. I'm gonna list some wide receivers that could
• 1:48:39
  Speaker 3: potentially be on our roster, and I want to hear
• 1:48:41
  Speaker 3: from each of you who makes your ideal. Twenty twenty five,
• 1:48:45
  Speaker 3: twenty twenty six six man wide receiver room considering Digs
• 1:48:49
  Speaker 3: and mccollins are locks. Pick four more from the list below.
• 1:48:55
  Speaker 3: So the list is Douglas Bourne, Poke, Booty Baker and
• 1:48:59
  Speaker 3: the free agents. It's too long, now, forget it. It's
• 1:49:04
  Speaker 3: too many. I thought this was going to be a
• 1:49:05
  Speaker 3: draft for Yeah, it's too many people. I'm sorry, Ryan,
• 1:49:09
  Speaker 3: but you can't send us an email email that makes
• 1:49:12
  Speaker 3: us think too much.
• 1:49:13
  Speaker 6: Jalen Noel or Kyle Williams. Yeah, draft one of those
• 1:49:15
  Speaker 6: two guys.
• 1:49:16
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I like both of those guys. I
• 1:49:19
  Speaker 4: tend to gravitate to the outside guys a little bit
• 1:49:22
  Speaker 4: more than Evan does, but I like both. You know,
• 1:49:24
  Speaker 4: Williams has really come on a lot.
• 1:49:26
  Speaker 6: That's what I like a little bit more about. I
• 1:49:28
  Speaker 6: love Jaylen Nole, you know that. But Kyle Williams can
• 1:49:31
  Speaker 6: play a little bit on the outside. He's got some
• 1:49:34
  Speaker 6: ability to play stretch the field, you know, beat press
• 1:49:36
  Speaker 6: coverage like that kind of thing. So I've gravitated a
• 1:49:39
  Speaker 6: little bit more towards him too, and I put him
• 1:49:41
  Speaker 6: in the mock draft, and everybody told me I took
• 1:49:43
  Speaker 6: him too high. I did not take him too high.
• 1:49:45
  Speaker 6: I'm telling you that right now. That guy's not making
• 1:49:47
  Speaker 6: it out of the second round. So maybe thirty eight,
• 1:49:50
  Speaker 6: maybe he's gonna go fifty instead of thirty eight, but
• 1:49:53
  Speaker 6: he's he's not making it out.
• 1:49:54
  Speaker 4: Of another one of those. If you want them, you
• 1:49:56
  Speaker 4: got to take them.
• 1:49:57
  Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, Brandon California. At this point in the draft process,
• 1:50:01
  Speaker 3: I feel like we have exhausted just about every possible
• 1:50:04
  Speaker 3: outcome for the Patriots in the first round. Barring a
• 1:50:06
  Speaker 3: trade back into the end of the first round, Thursday
• 1:50:09
  Speaker 3: night might end up being a quick and possibly boring
• 1:50:13
  Speaker 3: night for Patriots fans. That's why I would like to
• 1:50:16
  Speaker 3: be more like Fred and have some teams to root
• 1:50:18
  Speaker 3: against on Night One. My question is if any of
• 1:50:22
  Speaker 3: you have some players you would hate to see land
• 1:50:24
  Speaker 3: on other teams. Personally, I would hate to see a
• 1:50:27
  Speaker 3: scenario where we pass on Campbell and watch him fall
• 1:50:30
  Speaker 3: to the Jets, especially if he ends up being great
• 1:50:32
  Speaker 3: like I think he will be. Another example of this
• 1:50:35
  Speaker 3: might be someone like Luther Burden being swooped up at
• 1:50:38
  Speaker 3: the end of the first round by a team like
• 1:50:40
  Speaker 3: the Bills of the Chiefs.
• 1:50:42
  Speaker 4: The latter one I would put right in that category
• 1:50:46
  Speaker 4: of what he's talking about. I don't want to see
• 1:50:48
  Speaker 4: those passing teams that I think are like a weapon
• 1:50:52
  Speaker 4: away from being really tough to stop. Get a guy
• 1:50:56
  Speaker 4: like that.
• 1:50:57
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I know. I just trying to keep up a
• 1:51:01
  Speaker 6: little bit with the rest of the AFC East and Buffalo.
• 1:51:03
  Speaker 6: A lot of people in Buffalo want them to go
• 1:51:05
  Speaker 6: defense because of how the defense took a little bit
• 1:51:07
  Speaker 6: of a step back last year, and specifically defensive line.
• 1:51:11
  Speaker 6: And you see a lot of mocks with like Kenneth
• 1:51:12
  Speaker 6: Grant from Michigan or Walter Nolan or whatever, and I'm like,
• 1:51:16
  Speaker 6: take one of those guys, go right Do you want
• 1:51:17
  Speaker 6: to take an interior run stuffer in the first round
• 1:51:20
  Speaker 6: if you're if you're a Buffalo, go right ahead.
• 1:51:22
  Speaker 4: I would say. On the flip side, though, like when
• 1:51:25
  Speaker 4: you're picking in the late twenties thirties, that's where you like,
• 1:51:29
  Speaker 4: that's where you're pick. Like, That's why I'm not overly
• 1:51:30
  Speaker 4: interested in Mason Graham. Yeah, but I would take you know,
• 1:51:34
  Speaker 4: one of those guys at twenty seven. Whatever Buffalo is picking,
• 1:51:36
  Speaker 4: they gotta be picking like twenty eight, twenty nine.
• 1:51:38
  Speaker 6: Yeah, they want to they want to get stouter through
• 1:51:41
  Speaker 6: the middle, you know, they want to be a.
• 1:51:42
  Speaker 3: Base a little bit, don't you think, just in perception, like.
• 1:51:47
  Speaker 6: He didn't do anything in the pre draft process, like nothing,
• 1:51:50
  Speaker 6: he didn't work out, nothing, And I think when that
• 1:51:52
  Speaker 6: type of stuff happens, you kind of forget about him
• 1:51:55
  Speaker 6: a little bit. Yeah, right, like you know, people start
• 1:51:57
  Speaker 6: to kind of forget about him. Right, I've never been
• 1:52:01
  Speaker 6: crazy about him, you know, compared to some other people.
• 1:52:04
  Speaker 6: Just two hundred ninety six pound interior defensive lineman that
• 1:52:09
  Speaker 6: isn't a great athlete. Like clearly if he was a
• 1:52:11
  Speaker 6: good athlete, he would have tested. So he's not a
• 1:52:13
  Speaker 6: great athlete. I think we can say that. Yeah, he's
• 1:52:16
  Speaker 6: kind of like point, you know, a technique wizard and
• 1:52:19
  Speaker 6: an effort guy. Yeah yeah, right.
• 1:52:22
  Speaker 16: Uh.
• 1:52:22
  Speaker 3: Here's a more what's more likely game? And this is
• 1:52:25
  Speaker 3: from Tyler in Ludlow. What's more likely there are less
• 1:52:30
  Speaker 3: There are less than three first round trades, or half
• 1:52:33
  Speaker 3: of the top ten picks are traded. I think that's
• 1:52:36
  Speaker 3: more likely.
• 1:52:37
  Speaker 6: Yeah, less than three.
• 1:52:38
  Speaker 3: Less than three. Yeah, what's more likely Patriots draft Will
• 1:52:41
  Speaker 3: Campbell at four or the field.
• 1:52:45
  Speaker 6: Technically Campbell.
• 1:52:46
  Speaker 4: I'm gonna say Will Campbell's more likely. I just feel
• 1:52:48
  Speaker 4: like everybody is in agreement. Yeah, it's funny. I had
• 1:52:53
  Speaker 4: a conversation about this too, and I was told to like,
• 1:52:56
  Speaker 4: I don't know why you're putting so much stock in
• 1:52:58
  Speaker 4: the fact that everybody thinks they're picking Will Campbell, right,
• 1:53:01
  Speaker 4: because you know, Vrabel is not necessarily a guy that
• 1:53:04
  Speaker 4: would track to telling everybody what they're going to do,
• 1:53:07
  Speaker 4: so that people are just making their opinions. But I
• 1:53:10
  Speaker 4: just feel like there's an overwhelming amount of evidence right
• 1:53:13
  Speaker 4: now that people seem to be all in on camp Yeah.
• 1:53:17
  Speaker 6: I think with Campbell, to go to your a golf analogy,
• 1:53:19
  Speaker 6: you're on the fairway, Like, did you hit a three
• 1:53:22
  Speaker 6: hundred and fifty yard drive? Probably not, but you're on
• 1:53:25
  Speaker 6: the fairway. I think with some of these other guys,
• 1:53:27
  Speaker 6: you worry about being in in the woods.
• 1:53:29
  Speaker 4: See I was on the fairway all day yesterday, but
• 1:53:32
  Speaker 4: it was at that point that I was not getting
• 1:53:34
  Speaker 4: from the fairway to the green.
• 1:53:36
  Speaker 3: That's where we could have teamed up. I could have
• 1:53:38
  Speaker 3: shot that second.
• 1:53:38
  Speaker 4: I hit like three irons over the green yesterday, and
• 1:53:42
  Speaker 4: it wasn't because I like I hit him long, because
• 1:53:44
  Speaker 4: I didn't hit them right. So you know when you
• 1:53:47
  Speaker 4: hit like an iron off the heel and it goes
• 1:53:48
  Speaker 4: further than it normally would like, That's why I was
• 1:53:51
  Speaker 4: hitting him over the green, not because I just had
• 1:53:54
  Speaker 4: the wrong club. They're all I just I bulked up.
• 1:53:58
  Speaker 4: I'm not a big mishitting everything.
• 1:54:00
  Speaker 6: I don't golf, but I watched the end of the Masters,
• 1:54:02
  Speaker 6: and that shot that Rory.
• 1:54:04
  Speaker 4: Hit the before choked and missed the putt.
• 1:54:08
  Speaker 6: Before the one, the one that curved around one of
• 1:54:11
  Speaker 6: the greatest shots I've ever seen. I mean that that
• 1:54:14
  Speaker 6: was unreal.
• 1:54:15
  Speaker 3: What's more likely after genty is the top four pick,
• 1:54:18
  Speaker 3: or he is in the top twenty pick.
• 1:54:21
  Speaker 6: He is a top four pick, definitely moreless.
• 1:54:23
  Speaker 4: He's not I'm going to go I'm gonna go, he's not.
• 1:54:27
  Speaker 4: I mean, I think I don't think he's going in
• 1:54:29
  Speaker 4: the top.
• 1:54:29
  Speaker 3: I don't think there's any shot he's a top four pick.
• 1:54:32
  Speaker 6: A shot, yeah, yeah, but Patriots could take him. They
• 1:54:35
  Speaker 6: could somebody could.
• 1:54:35
  Speaker 4: Try to say this top four because I think there's
• 1:54:37
  Speaker 4: a better chance the Patriots take him at four, then
• 1:54:39
  Speaker 4: he goes out of the top.
• 1:54:40
  Speaker 3: Tokay, Yeah, what's more likely the Cowboys war room celebrates
• 1:54:44
  Speaker 3: after making their pick, just like they defeated an alien invasion.
• 1:54:47
  Speaker 3: Or Paul drinks a diet pepsi and Draft Night, well
• 1:54:50
  Speaker 3: we know that, well.
• 1:54:51
  Speaker 4: Both of what's the over under on Diapepsi's on Draft Knight?
• 1:54:54
  Speaker 4: Usually that's a.
• 1:54:55
  Speaker 3: Heavy probably thirty two one for each pick.
• 1:54:58
  Speaker 4: That's a lot. My eyes would be bugging out of
• 1:55:01
  Speaker 4: my head.
• 1:55:03
  Speaker 3: I noticed in the dispenser out there, the snack you know,
• 1:55:09
  Speaker 3: the drink dispenser they took out all the celsius. Is
• 1:55:13
  Speaker 3: that because they just haven't filled it? Or is there
• 1:55:14
  Speaker 3: a thing like we're not.
• 1:55:18
  Speaker 4: Game we need a home we need a home revs game.
• 1:55:21
  Speaker 6: A lot of the time, Uh, there's revs games like
• 1:55:24
  Speaker 6: Saturday night, like of Draft weekend. I think Messi was here.
• 1:55:28
  Speaker 6: Was that last year or two years ago that he
• 1:55:29
  Speaker 6: was here on like the on Day three, the night
• 1:55:32
  Speaker 6: of Day three, So maybe Saturday.
• 1:55:33
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's not going to help me though.
• 1:55:37
  Speaker 3: Ford and Savannah, why does the inevitability of selecting Campbell
• 1:55:41
  Speaker 3: with the fourth oral pick. Feel like getting socks for Christmas,
• 1:55:44
  Speaker 3: because it is sure I desperately need socks, but I
• 1:55:46
  Speaker 3: won't feel anything but underwhelmed when receiving them. I think
• 1:55:52
  Speaker 3: you're under selling Will Campbell and the need left tackle.
• 1:55:56
  Speaker 3: I think you're gonna be mid year, you're gonna be
• 1:55:58
  Speaker 3: very happy he's on this team.
• 1:56:00
  Speaker 4: Yeah, but two things can be true, like who do
• 1:56:03
  Speaker 4: you think is the best left tackle, like of all time,
• 1:56:06
  Speaker 4: of all time?
• 1:56:08
  Speaker 3: Or you love I like Tyron Smith.
• 1:56:11
  Speaker 4: Tyron Smith is like getting socks. Yes, it is, like
• 1:56:15
  Speaker 4: I understand what Evans point is.
• 1:56:17
  Speaker 6: It's like it's a blocker and you hope it's not fun.
• 1:56:21
  Speaker 4: You hope that he pans out. You hope that he's
• 1:56:23
  Speaker 4: your guy in the future. And then you're like, oh,
• 1:56:25
  Speaker 4: that was a smart pick. See we did the right thing.
• 1:56:27
  Speaker 4: We got the right guy, and you.
• 1:56:28
  Speaker 3: Get a guy like that. But he's a Hall of
• 1:56:30
  Speaker 3: Famer man.
• 1:56:31
  Speaker 4: I understand.
• 1:56:32
  Speaker 6: There's a few tackles that like, I think Penny Sewell
• 1:56:37
  Speaker 6: changes the Lions offense, like his because he's so athletic
• 1:56:40
  Speaker 6: and he can get out in space and he can
• 1:56:42
  Speaker 6: block and on the move so well that like you can.
• 1:56:45
  Speaker 6: You can schematically build the offense around a guy like that,
• 1:56:49
  Speaker 6: but that's like a very Everybody else is just kind
• 1:56:52
  Speaker 6: of Is he serviceable at the position? Or is he not?
• 1:56:55
  Speaker 3: Nate Rison, He says. I've always wondered if I would
• 1:56:58
  Speaker 3: ever meet any of the Unfiltered, and last week it
• 1:57:00
  Speaker 3: finally happened. I ran into Deuce while he was out
• 1:57:03
  Speaker 3: for a walk with Zuke. I heard this story who
• 1:57:06
  Speaker 3: had bitten a squirrel? Zuke bit a squirrel. Turns out
• 1:57:09
  Speaker 3: Deus lives right up the street from me, in a
• 1:57:11
  Speaker 3: house my kids used to go to daycare in. I'm
• 1:57:14
  Speaker 3: writing to say that Deuce is exactly the same kind,
• 1:57:16
  Speaker 3: thoughtful and engaging person he is on air, and thank
• 1:57:19
  Speaker 3: him for taking a few minutes to talk to me
• 1:57:22
  Speaker 3: and my son. The whole experience was great and moved
• 1:57:24
  Speaker 3: him up my Unfiltered panelist rankings, which he sorely needed
• 1:57:29
  Speaker 3: after their precipitous slide following the jant Mock Draft. Football Wise,
• 1:57:36
  Speaker 3: please get Evan to stop recommending the Patriots draft underside
• 1:57:39
  Speaker 3: wide receivers or slot receivers in general. Eldred and I
• 1:57:43
  Speaker 3: would like to continue to listen to the show The
• 1:57:46
  Speaker 3: Josh McDaniel's Patriots have never had an issue with production
• 1:57:49
  Speaker 3: from that position and they won't this year. Either Pop
• 1:57:52
  Speaker 3: can play it, and if he doesn't have the durability,
• 1:57:55
  Speaker 3: it will be next man up and they can figure
• 1:57:56
  Speaker 3: out what they have in that room. Not to mention,
• 1:57:58
  Speaker 3: they're paying Stefan Dig's twenty million plus per year and
• 1:58:02
  Speaker 3: he played forty six percent of his snaps from the slot.
• 1:58:04
  Speaker 3: According to Evan, the Patriots need outside help and it's
• 1:58:08
  Speaker 3: unfortunate this isn't the draft to get it. But ultimately,
• 1:58:11
  Speaker 3: we can't play three slots at once.
• 1:58:14
  Speaker 6: I'm not too worried about where they're all gonna play.
• 1:58:16
  Speaker 6: I just want guys that can get open.
• 1:58:17
  Speaker 4: And either and Digs is not making anyway there that
• 1:58:20
  Speaker 4: amount of money.
• 1:58:21
  Speaker 3: So his top one hundred draft of the Patriots is
• 1:58:24
  Speaker 3: Will Campbell at four, Landon Jackson at thirty eight defensive end,
• 1:58:28
  Speaker 3: Dylan Samson running back at sixty nine, Andrew mccouba at
• 1:58:32
  Speaker 3: seventy seven free safety, and at one o six everyone's
• 1:58:35
  Speaker 3: favorite Dante Thornton.
• 1:58:38
  Speaker 6: Yeah that's not bad. Mean, it's a little high for Thornton,
• 1:58:40
  Speaker 6: but the other right, I like all the other players
• 1:58:42
  Speaker 6: you know. I just I just look at a little
• 1:58:44
  Speaker 6: bit differently, like in terms of the outside inside thing.
• 1:58:47
  Speaker 6: I just like guys that can create separation and guys
• 1:58:49
  Speaker 6: that make big plays.
• 1:58:50
  Speaker 3: All right, we'll do one more call then we're gonna
• 1:58:52
  Speaker 3: hit the road. It's Danny in Michigan. What's up, Danny?
• 1:58:57
  Speaker 4: Oh?
• 1:58:57
  Speaker 18: Hey, how's it going?
• 1:58:58
  Speaker 15: Guys?
• 1:58:59
  Speaker 6: Good?
• 1:59:00
  Speaker 4: Hey, Danny.
• 1:59:01
  Speaker 18: I just had a little two questions for you about
• 1:59:04
  Speaker 18: the wide receiver position. One, why can't Kayshawn Boody? I
• 1:59:09
  Speaker 18: know they're different types of wide receiver, but why can't
• 1:59:12
  Speaker 18: Kayshawan Boody have a similar career trajectory as a Nicocollins
• 1:59:17
  Speaker 18: who came into the league a late round draft pick
• 1:59:21
  Speaker 18: and a project guy, and then year three he really
• 1:59:24
  Speaker 18: blew up onto the scene.
• 1:59:27
  Speaker 4: I mean, do you see the same physical characteristics with
• 1:59:30
  Speaker 4: those two players?
• 1:59:31
  Speaker 18: No, And I said that they're not the same type
• 1:59:33
  Speaker 18: of player. But I saw Nico Collins play at Michigan
• 1:59:38
  Speaker 18: who was not a very explosive receiver all the time.
• 1:59:43
  Speaker 4: But he's a pretty imposing receiver. Would you say, like
• 1:59:47
  Speaker 4: just physically he would.
• 1:59:48
  Speaker 18: Say just physically six four, Yeah, he's a pretty big guy.
• 1:59:51
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean that would be my only, my only thing.
• 1:59:53
  Speaker 4: But I mean your larger point is is not off.
• 1:59:56
  Speaker 4: I think that's why Evan and I thought it would
• 1:59:58
  Speaker 4: be a little bit early to put the plug on that,
• 2:00:00
  Speaker 4: because I do think there's a chance that he's still ascending.
• 2:00:04
  Speaker 4: We don't know exactly. I think he got better from
• 2:00:06
  Speaker 4: year one to year two, will he get better again
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  Speaker 4: from year two to year three?
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  Speaker 6: Or even if he's just the guy that he is now,
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  Speaker 6: Like if you're not feeding that position one hundred and
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  Speaker 6: fifty targets in the season and that's more of like
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  Speaker 6: a secondary position in your offense, then Kishon Boody can
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  Speaker 6: be a third receiver on in your offense. Is he
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  Speaker 6: the high volume guy? No, But if Diggs is going
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  Speaker 4: And when did Collins get drafted, by the way, do you.
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  Speaker 6: Remember, I want to say, third round?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's a lot earlier than the sixth.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, like you said, like Nico Collins is six',
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