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62. Gráinne O Malley - Ireland's Pirate Queen · Who Did What Now With Katie Charlwood

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Speaker 1: You're listening to an airwave media podcast. Hi everybody, and
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Speaker 1: welcome to Hooded What Now the history podcast That's not
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Speaker 1: your history class with me? Your host Katie Charlewood, history
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Speaker 1: harlot and reader of books. I know some of you
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Speaker 1: who have been with me for a long time maybe
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Speaker 1: getting a sense of deja vous with the said editored episode.
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Speaker 1: I mean that that was never going to go smoothly.
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Speaker 1: Things were going too well for me, weren't they. But
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Speaker 1: here's the thing. If you have been following me for
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Speaker 1: a long time, if you've been listening for a good
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Speaker 1: while anyway, you'll know that I was planning on redoing
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Speaker 1: some of the earlier episodes because the audio is well dodgy.
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Speaker 1: And when I was initially making this, I was trying
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Speaker 1: to keep it as I want to call raw as possible.
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Speaker 1: I was trying to stay true to me, and because
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Speaker 1: I have ADHD and I have a stammer, you know,
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Speaker 1: I would try and keep bits of that in, which
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Speaker 1: usually led to people leaving like reviews like why are
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Speaker 1: you repeating yourself? And I would get so many complaints
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Speaker 1: about it, And sometimes I'll keep it in, you know,
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Speaker 1: but sometimes there's just so much story to be told
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Speaker 1: that I don't do that anymore. But when it comes
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Speaker 1: to this episode in particular, what spurred me on remaking it, well,
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Speaker 1: before I go into that, I should probably say, if
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Speaker 1: you are new here and this is the first episode
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Speaker 1: you've jumped into, I am going to try and swear
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Speaker 1: less because I do have the mouth of a sailor. Sometimes.
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Speaker 1: I think it just happens when you grow up in Scotland,
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Speaker 1: like you kind of gain this sort of puncture situation
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Speaker 1: with profanity and it's pretty fun. It's it's good and
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Speaker 1: it's actually a mark of intelligence. I think aline that
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Speaker 1: I am going to try and not be as profane.
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Speaker 1: I guess ah, But yeah, warning, I do use adult language.
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Speaker 1: I don't shy away from topics you know that should
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Speaker 1: and will be discussed. But yes, about this episode, I
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Speaker 1: have like a vendetta, like an angry rage when it
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Speaker 1: comes to the erasure of women in history and how
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Speaker 1: they are often just ried about. You know, there's so
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Speaker 1: many things like we have Elzabeit Battery, who was you know,
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Speaker 1: accused of being this evil like horrific like vampires villain,
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Speaker 1: you know, the blood Countess and really she was no
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Speaker 1: worse than any other medieval ruler of the time, and
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Speaker 1: every charge against her there was no proof of. So like,
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Speaker 1: it's just like a woman in power, let's mess with
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Speaker 1: her game. Alice Kyteler who was Ireland's first witch supposedly,
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Speaker 1: and she was a woman who had power. I mean
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Speaker 1: she may have. It's quite likely she poisoned her husband's
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Speaker 1: But the point is were they nice people? Mmm? M
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Speaker 1: And yes. So I know this is a long intro today,
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Speaker 1: but here's the thing. I have also an issue with
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Speaker 1: cultural erasure. So I lived in Scotland and I lived
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Speaker 1: in Ireland for like the majority of my formative years,
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Speaker 1: like between the two, and in both instances, I was
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Speaker 1: made aware of the cultural rature which happened between both
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Speaker 1: countries as a result of colonization. And I know this
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Speaker 1: doesn't compare to like other places that have suffered more.
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Speaker 1: I'm aware. And if you want to be pedanting and
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Speaker 1: bump your gums, whether it was eight hundred or four
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Speaker 1: hundred or three hundred years of oppression, it doesn't matter
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Speaker 1: because the oppression still happened for literal centuries, to the
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Speaker 1: point that we still have generational trauma, like deeply ingrained
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Speaker 1: in our DNA at this point. For centuries, people suffered
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Speaker 1: at the hands of an oppressive force who tried to
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Speaker 1: strip away their language, their identity, their very lives, just
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Speaker 1: so they could prosper. Like that's the fact of all.
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Speaker 1: And I get really bothered when women are erased from
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Speaker 1: history anyway. And I get more annoyed when people refuse
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Speaker 1: to use the correct name because something else is easier.
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Speaker 1: See where I live, there's been an influx of years
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Speaker 1: of foreign nationalities to Ireland, which is actually very close
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Speaker 1: to how Brian law used to work. We're going to
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Speaker 1: talk about it in a few minutes. But there are
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Speaker 1: Bulgarians and Poles and Ukrainians and Germans and French all
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Speaker 1: pronouncing Irish place names like it's gonna sound different in
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Speaker 1: an accent. I mean, I'll probably mispronounce things because I
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Speaker 1: have an accent, Like I don't even say the word rowd.
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Speaker 1: Probably I put any extra syllable on the other it
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Speaker 1: should not be there, because I have this lovely Scottish brogue.
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Speaker 1: And yes, I keep rolling my ours. I keep doing it.
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Speaker 1: I know sometimes I put it in places that really
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Speaker 1: shouldn't be but I keep doing it. But what spurred
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Speaker 1: this particular episode is. I love Gronda O'Malley. I love Grondowhale,
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Speaker 1: I adore her. And I had somebody contact me regarding
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Speaker 1: doing an intro for their podcast about Granua O'Malley. But
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Speaker 1: they called her Grace, And first things first, I'm like,
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Speaker 1: thank you so much. That's it's very kind of you.
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Speaker 1: But I'm about to be really awkward because her name
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Speaker 1: isn't Grace. And they're like, yeah, we know. I'm like,
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Speaker 1: it's Gronia. No, no, we know. And I was like, right,
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Speaker 1: but her name is Gronia, Like that's her name, and
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Speaker 1: in their response was like they were so flippant about it,
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Speaker 1: and you know, and then I thought maybe it's me overreacting.
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Speaker 1: And then I you know, related the conversation to you know,
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Speaker 1: a few friends of mine, you know, people who are
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Speaker 1: more rational and reasonable than I am, and they agreed
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Speaker 1: with me. They were like, no, this is not cool
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Speaker 1: in any way. Like every Irish person I spoke to
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Speaker 1: you about it was very mad and a lot of
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Speaker 1: these people aren't really that fussed about you know, a
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Speaker 1: lot of things, but culture to the Irish is a
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Speaker 1: big it's a big deal, you know, and so like
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Speaker 1: they're like this podcast they're like, oh, you know, you know,
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Speaker 1: nobody's really searching for her name for so for SEO purposes,
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Speaker 1: were like Race, O'Malley, and I'm like, right, okay, but
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Speaker 1: here's the thing. I have quite literally put a book
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Speaker 1: down and walked out of stores because they were referred
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Speaker 1: to her as Grace. Like I have been like really
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Speaker 1: interested in, really engrossed and never wanted to buy like
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Speaker 1: a book about lots of Irish women, for example, in history,
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Speaker 1: and they will have referred to her as Grace. And
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Speaker 1: I'm like, no, because clearly you don't care enough about
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Speaker 1: her to not call her by the proper name. And
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Speaker 1: they say they've got a thing up at the beginning
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Speaker 1: of the episode saying that she was you know, she
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Speaker 1: was called this in life and then this after and whatnot.
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Speaker 1: And I'm like, wait, okay, but you do call her
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Speaker 1: by her actual name like throughout the episode, and and
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Speaker 1: their response it bothered me so much because they were like, oh, well,
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Speaker 1: you know, us, in our silly American accents, and oh,
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Speaker 1: for the ease of storytelling, we called her Grace. And
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Speaker 1: it's like that's not her name, and like, oh, but
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Speaker 1: it's anglicized and it's not anglicized. It's not anglicized because
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Speaker 1: you know what, the anglicized version of her name is Granny,
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Speaker 1: which she was actually called during her lifetime. The reason
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Speaker 1: the woman is called Grace now is because some biographer,
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Speaker 1: several hundred years after she died, decided that Grace was
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Speaker 1: a more palatable name. That's why. Because he didn't like
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Speaker 1: her name. Some old English kid was like, no, I'm
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Speaker 1: going to call her something else. I'm going to rename
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Speaker 1: this woman. I'm going to remove her name, I'm going
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Speaker 1: to remove her language, and I'm going to remove her agency.
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Speaker 1: That is why she's called Grace. And I refuse to
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Speaker 1: stand by anybody who calls her that. Like there was
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Speaker 1: like I love Gin, and there was apparently, you know,
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Speaker 1: a pirate queen Gin, but it called her Grace and
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Speaker 1: I was like, nope, never drinking that, no happening. Like
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Speaker 1: I have quite literally fought museums and biographers and children's books,
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Speaker 1: all of that. I have fought them over this, and
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Speaker 1: their flippancy really bothered me. And I did say it
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Speaker 1: to friends where more rational and reasonable than I am,
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Speaker 1: and they were also they were also unhappy with this
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Speaker 1: whole situation. And like the whole thing of like, oh,
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Speaker 1: you know what as Americans are like in our silly
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Speaker 1: American accents. I'm like, no, I don't. Because I have
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Speaker 1: volunteered with the Mary from Dunlow International Arts Festival. I've
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Speaker 1: helped it with a couple of years, and I also
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Speaker 1: live in a tourist destination, so shockingly enough, I do
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Speaker 1: with Americans quite a lot. I do see a fair
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Speaker 1: amount of them, and the majority of them are so
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Speaker 1: respectful they will try and pronounce names. My dad's a cockney, right,
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Speaker 1: and he still calls it donnye gall instead of donneygall right.
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Speaker 1: His little cockney tongue just cannot wrap around those vowels properly.
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Speaker 1: And that's fine. Like I know, I pronounce Air's a
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Speaker 1: bit wrong. I still try. You know, there are some
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Speaker 1: words that I struggle to pronounce because of my accent.
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Speaker 1: But near enough, every single American that I have ever
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Speaker 1: dealt with, especially those with Irish heritage, so respectful. They
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Speaker 1: will try and even if it sounds weird, they're gonna
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Speaker 1: give it a go and no offense. If you can
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Speaker 1: say yohn, you can say gron gronya. Hardly a tongue twister,
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Speaker 1: was it? You? Know what I mean. And here's the thing,
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Speaker 1: calling her grace because it's easier. Oh, that's just class
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Speaker 1: just there's some cultural identity out the window for some crack. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: and my friend Paul he basically said that anglicized is
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Speaker 1: just a bastardly way of saying lazy and ignorant. And like,
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Speaker 1: I know I'm ranting at this point, but why acknowledge
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Speaker 1: the error but then continue using it. Wouldn't it be
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Speaker 1: a good example to use the correct name, even if
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Speaker 1: it's a non issue so known that they bring up, Like,
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Speaker 1: isn't that the right thing to do? I mean, what
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Speaker 1: is the point of having a history podcast if you're
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Speaker 1: just going to shove two fingers up in a historical
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Speaker 1: fact end of the day. History should be provided by
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Speaker 1: those who want to tell the truth, not just the
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Speaker 1: colonized version of it. So if you're Irish or Irish American,
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Speaker 1: or Irish Canadian or Irish Mexican, I don't know, Australian, whatever,
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Speaker 1: or maybe you just care about cultural identity, Maybe you
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Speaker 1: just care about culture, maybe you just hate colonialism. Right,
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Speaker 1: I am genuinely imploring you to support this episode. I
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Speaker 1: don't have any other way to say. It that I
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Speaker 1: think she deserves her fucking name. I swore, I'm sorry,
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Speaker 1: but I'm just means so much to me. Like, if
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Speaker 1: you were listening to this, if you're my follower, if
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Speaker 1: you're a fan, if you care about women or women's
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Speaker 1: history or anything of it, share, like comment, rate and
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Speaker 1: review five stars, just go hell for leather for me,
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Speaker 1: because I want to prove to these people. I want
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Speaker 1: to prove to everybody who feels like she doesn't deserve
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Speaker 1: her name because something else is easier for them. I
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Speaker 1: want to show them that her having her name mattters
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Speaker 1: like she deserves it. It's her name. And I know
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Speaker 1: what you're thinking. You're thinking, quit your jibber jabber in
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Speaker 1: fact me, in fact you I will. But first we've
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Speaker 1: got to get our source on. Our sources are Grownia
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Speaker 1: O'Malley The Irish Pirate Queen by Anne Chambers, Gronia Wheel
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Speaker 1: the Pirate Queen by Patrick Flanney, Grown Youre Whale, The
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Speaker 1: Pirate Queen by John and Fatty Burke on Grown Your Whale,
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Speaker 1: The Irish Pirate Queen, Boyhood Wordy Podcast. Obviously, we have
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Speaker 1: history dot com, Biography dot com, all of the good
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Speaker 1: ones and now after the longest intro I think I
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Speaker 1: have ever recorded, I use it uncomfortably good. Then let's begin.
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Speaker 1: Our story starts in Ireland, which has been consistently raided
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Speaker 1: and attacked and pillaged. Not entirely show, but pillage is
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Speaker 1: something to do with hay. Yes, I did take that
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Speaker 1: joke from a Tommy Tyrne and a show like twenty
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Speaker 1: years ago. Cheers. Tommy loved doing dairy Girls. So yeah,
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Speaker 1: back in the day, in the fifteen hundreds, you know,
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Speaker 1: England had kind of a rule over Ireland kind of
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Speaker 1: so like the Normans in and they were like the
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Speaker 1: thirteenth century, and the think about of the Normans is
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Speaker 1: like the Vikings and the Normans and like a bunch
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Speaker 1: of like the people who settled, you know, they just
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Speaker 1: kind of fell into bren Law. Breton Law is like
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Speaker 1: one of the oldest like law systems I think in Europe.
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Speaker 1: I'm not entirely sure. It's a little before my knowledge base.
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Speaker 1: And bren Law had like a wonderful things because like
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Speaker 1: it's this whole concept of how people think Ireland is
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Speaker 1: very homogeneous, but it's not. It's always been very like
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Speaker 1: like it welcomed foreigners and I think the anarchist Leak
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Speaker 1: did it pretty well when he was saying that there
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Speaker 1: was basically three rules. Either you come in and you
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Speaker 1: accept the laws and the rules of of bren law
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Speaker 1: in Irish culture and whatnot, and that's good. Or you
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Speaker 1: don't accept it and you leave, or you don't accept
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Speaker 1: it and stay and then we fight, you know, That's
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Speaker 1: basically it. And the Norse Gales and the no Rmans
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Speaker 1: and all that they would start intermarrying with, you know,
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Speaker 1: families of Gaelic chieftains, like they would inter mary because
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Speaker 1: you know, you catch more flies, will honey them of vinegar,
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Speaker 1: and a lot of the time they would just adopt
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Speaker 1: culture in the way things worked because it was easier,
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Speaker 1: you know, once they had settled, which is kind of
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Speaker 1: funny when you think about it, because the right that
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Speaker 1: like Norse women had and the rights that Irish women
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Speaker 1: had under Britain law very similar like they had, Like
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Speaker 1: life was pretty good for them, you know what I mean,
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Speaker 1: compared to like other places in Europe. But yeah, so
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Speaker 1: there's raids and invasions and stuff, and then England basically
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Speaker 1: has control around the pale. By the time Henry the
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Speaker 1: Eighth is crowned King of Ireland because of course he is.
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Speaker 1: Of course he is, because he has to grab another territory,
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Speaker 1: especially when he loses Cali to the French king, because
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Speaker 1: he's constantly in a dick measuring test with them. But
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Speaker 1: that's neither here nor there. So when Edward takes the throne, right,
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Speaker 1: he doesn't really do much, not really. But when Mary
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Speaker 1: the First is crowned Queen of England, she decides she's
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Speaker 1: going to like take over, She's going to do the
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Speaker 1: plantations in Ireland, and so she sends people out to well,
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Speaker 1: King's County and Queen's County, which is awfully in leash,
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Speaker 1: leash and awfully but yeah, and they take over like
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Speaker 1: existing forts that the Normans had built, like free yonks
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Speaker 1: ago and they do that. And I think I covered
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Speaker 1: this in the Queen Mary the First podcast episode. They're like,
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Speaker 1: because they weren't allowed to like hire Irish people or
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Speaker 1: like fraternize with them, and because they had to basically
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Speaker 1: protect themselves, they didn't really gain anything because they were
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Speaker 1: constantly being raided by clans and whatnot. So they were
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Speaker 1: just they were it just failed miserably. By the time
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Speaker 1: Elizabeth gets on the throne. She just starts planting them
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Speaker 1: all through cornorch She's like, I'm putting them in there. Yes,
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Speaker 1: absolutely fantastic. Yeah, and when James takes it's just a
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Speaker 1: plantation of ulster. It's it just gets worse the further
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Speaker 1: you go, you know. But yeah, roll back. Henry eighth,
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Speaker 1: he's still married to Catherine of Aragon, but he is
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Speaker 1: chasing Amberleyan. It's about fifteen thirty, esh, because it's a
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Speaker 1: woman from history. Why would we have a date of birth,
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Speaker 1: why would we have anything? Exact course we don't. We
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Speaker 1: don't knit. No, So yeah, about fifteen thirty Kronia O'Malley
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Speaker 1: is born, and she is born into the infamous O'Malley clan.
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Speaker 1: Now they are a sea fearing clan. I bloody love pirates.
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Speaker 1: I do. I love pirates. I love buccaneers and private
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Speaker 1: heals and everything in between, a love of them. And
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Speaker 1: so the O'Malleys are this seafaring clan on the west
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Speaker 1: coast of Ireland, and they rule over the baronies of
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Speaker 1: Morusk and Burristook and all the land around Kloebay like
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Speaker 1: although Mayo, they're in Mayo and these lands they're basically
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Speaker 1: known as you know, like part of the Kingdom of Ireland.
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Speaker 1: So they don't accept English rule. They don't accept that
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Speaker 1: Henry King of England, Lord of Ireland. Eh no, you'll not,
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Speaker 1: no thanks, They just don't accept that. And this is
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Speaker 1: an Anglo Norman area, which is another story for another day.
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Speaker 1: But it was completely galicized by the time Grona comes along.
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Speaker 1: So by the time she born, it is Irish speaking,
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Speaker 1: it is Irish cultured, it is Irish like, that's it.
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Speaker 1: Gronia's dad, Owen Dudara O'Malley, he was like the head
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Speaker 1: of the klan, the dynasty all that shebang and Gronia
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Speaker 1: she ends up being the only child between Owen and
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Speaker 1: his wife Mav. She does have a half brother, Dono.
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Speaker 1: But if there was such a thing of like the air,
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Speaker 1: the next in line, it was her. So like in Ireland,
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Speaker 1: titles and being in charge, being the rule, or being
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Speaker 1: the head right, being the chief whatever, it wasn't really
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Speaker 1: a hereditary thing. You didn't just like get it given
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Speaker 1: to you, Like you weren't born with a title. You
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Speaker 1: didn't just gain it. You know, Oh you have been
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Speaker 1: born with the title, but you wouldn't automatically be the
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Speaker 1: next ruler, because it didn't work like that, like rulers chieftains,
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Speaker 1: they would be voted in, so it was more of
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Speaker 1: a best man for the job sort of thing, as
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Speaker 1: opposed to Fieldy being sworn to the testicles. A lot
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Speaker 1: of the time, that's how her reditary ruling works. You're
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Speaker 1: basically just swearing allegiance to sperm. So like in Ireland,
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Speaker 1: you wouldn't automatically become chief if your dad was chief,
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Speaker 1: you know what I mean, You'd still own what you owned,
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Speaker 1: you'd still have all your shit, but you wouldn't be
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Speaker 1: the big boss. Yeah. The O'Malleys are a sea faring clan,
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Speaker 1: and they have all these castles like dotted along the shoreline,
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Speaker 1: and they would also, like very cleverly, really smart, they
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Speaker 1: would tax fishermen as well, so they'd have this very
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Speaker 1: good defensive area. And then they would also tax people
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Speaker 1: to like fish in their lovely fairytel waters. It's bloody genius.
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Speaker 1: So like they also in addition furthermore offered safe passage
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Speaker 1: through those dangerous waters all around the bay, you know,
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Speaker 1: So like they were constantly finding ways to make money,
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Speaker 1: and they would trade goods you know, abroad, like they
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Speaker 1: were very into trade as well. It wasn't just you know,
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Speaker 1: steel shit from people, many fingers, many pies, and so like,
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Speaker 1: they traded goods as far as spin and of course,
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Speaker 1: I mean they did steal some stuff, right. There was
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Speaker 1: a bit of piracy obviously, and yeah, when ships would
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Speaker 1: be headed into go Away, they'd rate them because they could.
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Speaker 1: Now they were so good at this, they became infamous.
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Speaker 1: And as such, the Omalayklan is basically and from go Away,
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Speaker 1: and which then is like an a robberous it's a
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Speaker 1: snake eat in its own tail. It kind of leads
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Speaker 1: into itself. So because you know they're banned from go Away,
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Speaker 1: they're like, right, okay, we're gonna just attack all the
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Speaker 1: ships going into go Away and a pill for all
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Speaker 1: their stuff, pil for and pillage. Let's take it. It's fine,
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Speaker 1: no worries. So they had all that, all of that income,
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Speaker 1: but you know, it's not steady sometimes you don't know
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Speaker 1: if there's gonna be people traveling with trade goods, you know,
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Speaker 1: and money and other stuff and so on the back burner.
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Speaker 1: They also had farmland which they used because obviously they
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Speaker 1: needed like will for cloth and meat. I don't not
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Speaker 1: will for meat, but like sheep, they probably eat them.
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Speaker 1: I would assume. I feel like they would like maybe
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Speaker 1: would be useful. They want to make sure utilizing all
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Speaker 1: the animal, right, So they did a farm land, they
23:02
Speaker 1: did of all this other stuff. But they were really
23:04
Speaker 1: into like seafaring, like they liked the sea. So growing up,
23:11
Speaker 1: Gronia would have sort of known this. She would have
23:14
Speaker 1: gone out in the ship with her dad and she
23:16
Speaker 1: would have been involved, right, and growing up she probably
23:22
Speaker 1: would have spent a lot of time at Clear Island
23:24
Speaker 1: in Kloebey, But there is always the possibility it's quite
23:29
Speaker 1: likely that she would just foster out at some point
23:32
Speaker 1: to another family. And it was like really common at
23:34
Speaker 1: the time because it was you know, for it was twofold, right,
23:38
Speaker 1: So first things first, you would be protecting your airs
23:42
Speaker 1: because they were a way and they're being taken care of,
23:46
Speaker 1: especially if you're out like raiding and pirrating and whatnot.
23:50
Speaker 1: And the second thing is it was a really good
23:53
Speaker 1: way to create and or maintain a political alliance, which,
23:58
Speaker 1: as I'm sure you know, is the way a lot
23:59
Speaker 1: of marriages happened the way back in the day, especially
24:02
Speaker 1: with people of power, you know. And when Grownia she's
24:07
Speaker 1: a kid, or so the legend goes. She says, she
24:12
Speaker 1: asks her dad if she can go out sailing, if
24:14
Speaker 1: she can join him, and he says to her, like,
24:19
Speaker 1: mm no, you can't like your long, lovely hair. You
24:23
Speaker 1: know those locks, they're gonna get caught in the ship's ropes.
24:27
Speaker 1: Now here's the thing. Kids, in general, they are unintentionally
24:32
Speaker 1: cunning and kid logic is it is a power to behold,
24:37
Speaker 1: really and a lot of the time for them, it
24:41
Speaker 1: is very much what is the quickest and simplest solution
24:46
Speaker 1: to this problem? What is the issue? How do I
24:51
Speaker 1: resolve it? And to a child to gronia problem here
24:57
Speaker 1: too long? Solution? Make hair short? Because that's the typical
25:04
Speaker 1: kids solution. Isn't it hair too long? Make your short?
25:07
Speaker 1: Mm hmm. And like I can just imagine growing you're
25:12
Speaker 1: like lobbing your hair off in like the Milan cartoon style,
25:16
Speaker 1: just like whoa like off? I mean, you know, I'd
25:21
Speaker 1: like to think it was like a smooth thing, but
25:24
Speaker 1: it could have been like put it down, chopped with
25:26
Speaker 1: an axe or sawing through it with like the first knife.
25:31
Speaker 1: She finds like, did they have scissors in the fifteen hundreds, like,
25:39
Speaker 1: I'm gonna have to look that up because I'm suddenly
25:42
Speaker 1: confused by myself. No, you know what, shear has existed
25:47
Speaker 1: from like the year like three or four thousand CE,
25:50
Speaker 1: so you know what, she probably just cut them with
25:53
Speaker 1: like yee old sizzles or like so I mean maybe
25:57
Speaker 1: she did sow it away with like an old knife,
26:00
Speaker 1: you know maybe. But yeah, this is basically where her
26:05
Speaker 1: nickname comes from. Gronia Wheel, which basically means bald Gronia
26:14
Speaker 1: because wheel means bald all right, Gronia whale, bald Gronia
26:19
Speaker 1: because she chopped off a massive trunk of her hair
26:22
Speaker 1: because she was like, I'm going on that bloody ship,
26:24
Speaker 1: Like I'm getting there, you know what I mean? Because
26:27
Speaker 1: she wanted to get on that damn ship. Who she
26:30
Speaker 1: does this to get on the ship. And I could
26:32
Speaker 1: only imagine the dad just being like, oh, for sake,
26:36
Speaker 1: like how did I get myself in this mess? Like yeah,
26:40
Speaker 1: don't miss a kid logic. They will come for you.
26:43
Speaker 1: Like you ever tell a kid you're going to go
26:45
Speaker 1: do something, they will always remember always. So as Gronia
26:52
Speaker 1: gets older, anyway, she starts learning the ropes. She's learning
26:56
Speaker 1: the ropes because she's hoisting the sails and the ship
27:00
Speaker 1: never mind it. So, yeah, she learns everything. She's on
27:04
Speaker 1: the ship. She's learning to say, she's learning to lead.
27:07
Speaker 1: But because obviously she's own O'Malley's daughter, right, she needs
27:13
Speaker 1: to be protected, like that's the whole thing. So she
27:16
Speaker 1: basically gets trained, it gets you know, conditioned into her,
27:22
Speaker 1: or they try to. They're like, you know, if anything happens,
27:26
Speaker 1: if the shit hits the fan, you get below deck
27:28
Speaker 1: and you hide, like that is her mission, that's her job.
27:32
Speaker 1: Things go bad, you hide, right, you get the heck
27:35
Speaker 1: at a dodge. Unfortunately, Gronya wasn't really feeling this safety procedure.
27:47
Speaker 1: You know, she didn't really want to have her tree
27:49
Speaker 1: table up in her seat in the upright position. She
27:53
Speaker 1: just wasn't having it. Because she's out sailing with the
27:57
Speaker 1: family one day with her dad anyway, and there's this
28:01
Speaker 1: attack right and the way below gets blocked, so Gronia
28:07
Speaker 1: can't actually do the thing she's supposed to do. And
28:12
Speaker 1: she sees someone like just about to get her dad,
28:17
Speaker 1: and she's like, nah, fuck this for a game of soldiers,
28:22
Speaker 1: and so she jumps on him with a knife. She
28:26
Speaker 1: has somehow acquired. I don't judge why children have knives
28:30
Speaker 1: on pirate ships, I don't judge. And so she jumps
28:35
Speaker 1: on this dude who's about to kill her dad and
28:38
Speaker 1: she just like stablish dabstab and saves her dad from
28:45
Speaker 1: certain death. Really because he was he was going to
28:47
Speaker 1: be a goner if this had gotten like, nah, we
28:51
Speaker 1: gronjare going oh well, scarlett on him stab. See, Gronia
28:55
Speaker 1: didn't just have like the seafaring education. She had an
28:59
Speaker 1: act education. She was really well educated for the time actually,
29:04
Speaker 1: so she had all of like the social and ruling knowledge,
29:09
Speaker 1: you know, she had her place in society. And it's
29:14
Speaker 1: generally agreed upon that because of the nature of her
29:17
Speaker 1: way of life and international trade and the like, that
29:21
Speaker 1: she would have learned a bunch of languages, right, So
29:26
Speaker 1: she spoke Scots, Spanish, Irish, Latin. And here's the thing. Now,
29:37
Speaker 1: I like to think that Gronya could speak English. She
29:43
Speaker 1: just chose not to out of pettiness in spite because
29:49
Speaker 1: the women had an ear for languages and she spoke
29:51
Speaker 1: a good few of them, so it would be surprising
29:55
Speaker 1: that she couldn't speak English. Although English is like for Lang,
30:00
Speaker 1: which is in a trench coat, so maybe she couldn't
30:03
Speaker 1: or maybe she just deliberately chose not to learn it
30:06
Speaker 1: again out of spite. And like, so she's well educated,
30:10
Speaker 1: she's you know, learned the ways of the world, she's
30:12
Speaker 1: learned the ways of societe. But like somewhere during her
30:16
Speaker 1: childhood I think she's like eight or ten or something,
30:19
Speaker 1: like her mom dies, right, and that's one of the
30:23
Speaker 1: reason why she ends up spending so much time with
30:25
Speaker 1: her dad, just because yeah, what else is he gonna do?
30:30
Speaker 1: And he very much trains her to be a ruler,
30:35
Speaker 1: you know, like he gives her all the opportunities. This
30:39
Speaker 1: is I kind of feel like going nipple baby, nipple baby.
30:42
Speaker 1: But yeah, like he trains her more than he trains
30:46
Speaker 1: his like other son, don't know, you know what I mean.
30:49
Speaker 1: And when Grona hits sixteen, like again, political alliances, it's
30:54
Speaker 1: a whole thing. In fifteen forty six she marries don't know, oh,
31:01
Speaker 1: and like this is this absolutely astounding political match. He
31:05
Speaker 1: was like the Tanishcha to the oflerte Klan. So the
31:10
Speaker 1: Tanishcha is like second in line, so he's like the
31:16
Speaker 1: right hand man, you know what I mean, Like so
31:20
Speaker 1: between the two of them and all the stuff they've
31:23
Speaker 1: got going on, they have ridiculous power. And if they're
31:30
Speaker 1: consolidating it, like this is massive, massive power in the
31:35
Speaker 1: hands of these two people. And like for him to
31:41
Speaker 1: Marie Grona, there's a dowry. That and the thing about
31:49
Speaker 1: marriages under Brehon law in Ireland was that you know,
31:56
Speaker 1: everything that the woman has, the dowry and everything else
32:01
Speaker 1: that she has entering the marriage, everything she owns. Right
32:06
Speaker 1: when she leaves that marriage, she takes everything back with her.
32:10
Speaker 1: So she has like land and animals and like a
32:15
Speaker 1: bunch of ships, so she has all of this when
32:19
Speaker 1: she enters this marriage at sixteen. Right, she enters her
32:24
Speaker 1: marriage with her own wealth. She's independently wealthy under brain law.
32:31
Speaker 1: But also she's able to gain more wealth and property,
32:37
Speaker 1: Like she's allowed to become wealthier. She is allowed to
32:41
Speaker 1: own things and to gain more money and you know stuff.
32:47
Speaker 1: But like everything she owns is still hers, like it
32:53
Speaker 1: doesn't automatically become his. So if the marriage dissolves, if
32:57
Speaker 1: she leaves the marriage, and she can take it with her. Now,
33:05
Speaker 1: as it turns out, don't know, he was neither a
33:10
Speaker 1: great husband nor a great leader. I mean like he
33:15
Speaker 1: kind of sucked, to be honest. He has a really
33:21
Speaker 1: quick temper. It's also really bad. It's foul is the
33:26
Speaker 1: word us most often. Actually, And he was the man
33:32
Speaker 1: you know how I said about Henry the eighth and
33:34
Speaker 1: the King of France, Like this dude has the same energy,
33:38
Speaker 1: Like he was constantly like getting into skirmishes with neighboring clans.
33:44
Speaker 1: He would just constantly go out and just fight for
33:48
Speaker 1: the bloody's sake of it. Right, And they're married for
33:52
Speaker 1: what eighteen years, and they end up having like three
33:56
Speaker 1: kids together, so they have owen In Markey In Markey
34:05
Speaker 1: is actually Marca Marca Marca. Remember how I said I
34:11
Speaker 1: say words wrong. I have a feeling I've said Marca's
34:17
Speaker 1: name wrong, Like I tried to google it and I
34:22
Speaker 1: tried to ask my friends and none of them more
34:25
Speaker 1: answered me. The worst thing is have I probably said
34:29
Speaker 1: it correctly in another one like that? So that would
34:31
Speaker 1: be very embarrasing. So Marca he is born on a ship,
34:40
Speaker 1: and yeah, yeah, Marca Marca. One of them go back
34:49
Speaker 1: to me Marca, Okay, great, So Marca is born on
34:54
Speaker 1: a ship. And over this course of this marriage, like
34:57
Speaker 1: she is. She's doing her bit. She is a money
35:00
Speaker 1: she's sailing, she's trading. And Marca gets he's born in
35:04
Speaker 1: a ship, right and a few days after giving birth,
35:09
Speaker 1: the ship is attacked. And again because she just can't
35:13
Speaker 1: help herself, instead of hiding like, she grabs, she grabs
35:17
Speaker 1: her stuff and she just joins the fight and she
35:21
Speaker 1: wins because of course she does. So, yeah, they're married
35:24
Speaker 1: eighteen years and during this time she is doing her bit.
35:26
Speaker 1: She is, I mean, she is like the better leader
35:30
Speaker 1: out the two and by fifteen sixty four, like lower
35:35
Speaker 1: ranking sort of members of the Flowerty clan, they want
35:40
Speaker 1: to expand, right, and so they're like they want to
35:46
Speaker 1: make it better. They want larger territory, and the crown,
35:55
Speaker 1: the crown wants to support this cause, you know, because
36:00
Speaker 1: it's beneficial to them, because it works, you know what
36:03
Speaker 1: I mean. And good Queen Bess, she has ascended the throne.
36:10
Speaker 1: We've had a couple of monarchs since Gronia has been born,
36:15
Speaker 1: and she had us sights set on Ireland. But she
36:19
Speaker 1: wanted to get rid of some of these warring clans
36:21
Speaker 1: and she wanted people who were you know, subservient, who
36:26
Speaker 1: would bend the knee, so this clan they won't expand.
36:33
Speaker 1: And yeah, before uh, I don't know the you know,
36:41
Speaker 1: aforementioned hot tempered man had a chance to respond or retaliate,
36:49
Speaker 1: he was unfortunately slain by the Joyces. And Gronya, well,
36:57
Speaker 1: her husband's just been motherled. That's not nice, you know,
37:00
Speaker 1: who has time to cry over dead husbands? And again
37:06
Speaker 1: Gronia gets to leave the marriage with everything she entered
37:11
Speaker 1: and everything she gained. So she grabs her gear, her wealth,
37:16
Speaker 1: her livestock, and her three ships. That being said, she
37:23
Speaker 1: also brings along two hundred fighting men. Now he vacates
37:29
Speaker 1: Bono when castle and goes back to Kloebey. But like,
37:32
Speaker 1: I still listen to consideration a wee bit right, she
37:37
Speaker 1: gained the respect and the allegiance of two hundred fighting men,
37:45
Speaker 1: two hundred like she would have to be a good leader.
37:49
Speaker 1: She would have had to have earned their respect because
37:52
Speaker 1: they wouldn't have just followed her blindly. And during the
37:58
Speaker 1: time of like Donald's death where there were reports in
38:03
Speaker 1: Dublin of ship's pirrating, and she's like, really wasn't as
38:07
Speaker 1: totally wasn't us own? By the way, do you want
38:10
Speaker 1: these two hundred fighting men on your side, you know,
38:14
Speaker 1: just as a compromise, just to help you, you know, convenient.
38:20
Speaker 1: But Gronia. Gronia is one of my favorite vengeful women
38:27
Speaker 1: because like, her first husband's been killed and she doesn't
38:31
Speaker 1: let it lie whether or not, like she actually cared
38:35
Speaker 1: for him. Whom's to say. But when Donald is murdered,
38:40
Speaker 1: when he is slain, she either lays siege or repels
38:45
Speaker 1: a siege. It's kind of fuzzy on that detail. I mean,
38:49
Speaker 1: but it's Gronia, so you know, fifty fifty, it's more
38:55
Speaker 1: than a fifty to fifty chance, like it's it's more
38:57
Speaker 1: like a ninety ten. She it was probably her laying siege.
39:02
Speaker 1: That's her. She probably attacked first. Because yeah, so she
39:06
Speaker 1: lays a siege on Coxcastle. I'm not making this up.
39:10
Speaker 1: This isn't a euphemism for something. She raids Cox Castle
39:15
Speaker 1: and she wins, and then she names it Hen's Castle
39:20
Speaker 1: in her honor because she's like, just to let you
39:23
Speaker 1: know you were beaten by a woman and that I
39:25
Speaker 1: now own you, bitch, Like that's what that's about. So
39:29
Speaker 1: she does that and off she pops back to Kloebe,
39:33
Speaker 1: back to Clare Island, et cetera back to do her thing.
39:37
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, she's a woman, she has needs, and she
39:41
Speaker 1: briefly takes a lover as she should. And the lover
39:46
Speaker 1: is supposedly a shipwrecked sailor. He could be I mean,
39:52
Speaker 1: from where whom's to say? But she found him on
39:56
Speaker 1: the beach, like the Prince Eric found Ariel. He's like, yeah,
40:01
Speaker 1: that'll do. She's like, hmm, you're fun. You're mine now.
40:06
Speaker 1: So he gets slain by the McMahons of Ballyvai, right,
40:11
Speaker 1: and again, being the calm, collected, reasonable person she is,
40:16
Speaker 1: she seeks vengeance attacks the McMahons. She goes to the
40:22
Speaker 1: castle of Dounah in black Sod, right, and she just
40:27
Speaker 1: goes in and just gets rid of her lover's killer,
40:32
Speaker 1: like he is also slain now adios, which she may
40:36
Speaker 1: have said because she did in fact speak Spanish, but
40:40
Speaker 1: if they even said adios back then, because you know,
40:43
Speaker 1: words change over time. So about two years after the
40:48
Speaker 1: death of her first husband, grown Ya remarries and she
40:53
Speaker 1: marries Ustarred Alarassa Burke, and Burke is her second husband,
41:00
Speaker 1: but he's also known as Iron Richard. I mean, it's
41:05
Speaker 1: not the worst nickname I've ever heard. I'm just saying, mmm.
41:11
Speaker 1: So they have one kid together, and that is che
41:15
Speaker 1: Butch Burke, and he would end up becoming the first
41:20
Speaker 1: Viscount of Mayo. Now wait, was he the one that
41:27
Speaker 1: was born at sea? Is marka a girl's name? Wait
41:32
Speaker 1: a minute, m M. Maybe it was this one that
41:36
Speaker 1: was born at see. Oh my goodness, I don't know
41:39
Speaker 1: which one it was. You know, here I am going
41:42
Speaker 1: on about women and their stories and everything needs to
41:45
Speaker 1: be correct, and I can't remember which child was born
41:47
Speaker 1: at sea. I feel like, hmmm, I feel like, yeah,
41:52
Speaker 1: I definitely got it right last time. This is I mean,
41:55
Speaker 1: you can't shame the shameless, but oh dear, but yeah.
42:02
Speaker 1: So her second husband, Burt, Now this may come as
42:05
Speaker 1: a surprise, but he was also a crappy husband, like
42:10
Speaker 1: to the point that when he left right to do
42:16
Speaker 1: whatever he did, I don't care about him. Gronya basically
42:22
Speaker 1: locks the doors and yells out of a window to
42:25
Speaker 1: Iron Dick Richard Burkeye, dismiss you. And that was that.
42:32
Speaker 1: Because there's this whole thing with brand law where you
42:36
Speaker 1: can like divorce your husband by a shouting out a window.
42:41
Speaker 1: Up fucking love it that's just quality. And yeah, she
42:48
Speaker 1: gets to keep the castle, and she also keeps Iron
42:54
Speaker 1: Dick as an ally, like that's ridiculous. So she stays
43:02
Speaker 1: in the O'Malley Castle in the summer because it's a stronghold.
43:06
Speaker 1: It's strategically like the best place to be right in
43:10
Speaker 1: the center of our sea kingdom, and like it is
43:13
Speaker 1: home alone up to the hilt. It has got smoke signals,
43:18
Speaker 1: baby traps and has like all these different ways of
43:21
Speaker 1: like sending and relaying, like receiving messages. There's a rope
43:26
Speaker 1: that leads from her bed to a ship like zoom
43:33
Speaker 1: zoom zoom. Pretty handy. She also had this thing where
43:38
Speaker 1: the way the castle was built because most people were
43:41
Speaker 1: right handed, that when you went up like the stairs
43:45
Speaker 1: of the castle, you would have to fight left handed.
43:48
Speaker 1: To make it more awkward, you wouldn't be able to
43:50
Speaker 1: hold the sword in your dominant hand again unless you
43:54
Speaker 1: were lefty. And like if you were part of, you know,
43:58
Speaker 1: an oppressive force at that time, chances are you know
44:02
Speaker 1: the Catholic was gonna smack the leftiness out of you.
44:05
Speaker 1: So so like during this time, she's still known I
44:12
Speaker 1: think as Lady Burke and Sir Richard Bingham, Well, he's
44:19
Speaker 1: been sent to Ireland to't like be the right hand
44:21
Speaker 1: of the queen over there and whatnot, and he absolutely
44:26
Speaker 1: despises Gronya, And in fifteen seventy six he writes a
44:31
Speaker 1: letter stating that she was responsible and or involved in
44:36
Speaker 1: every single rebellion against the crown over the last forty
44:41
Speaker 1: years because the Crown is taking power all over the
44:45
Speaker 1: shop and lo and behold the Urso Bingham is like, oh, yeah,
44:50
Speaker 1: this woman's definitely to blame, and yeah, Gronya's no fool.
44:54
Speaker 1: So yeah, when she sees the Lord Deputy, Sir Henry Sidney,
44:59
Speaker 1: she offers her two hundred fighting men, she offers her
45:02
Speaker 1: three galleys. She offers it, you know, because he was
45:07
Speaker 1: trying to get everyone to like pay more taxes and
45:11
Speaker 1: people just weren't doing it and they were like rebelling
45:15
Speaker 1: and fighting and stuff. So she offers, you know, help,
45:18
Speaker 1: and he's like, ah, lady, no, I'm good. He's like
45:21
Speaker 1: one of the people who called her like Grainny or granny,
45:25
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. But yeah, within three weeks,
45:31
Speaker 1: three weeks of this offer to the Lord Deputy, she
45:36
Speaker 1: sets off. She's a way to plunder and whatnot, and
45:41
Speaker 1: then she gets captured and she's kept for a bit
45:45
Speaker 1: and then she's sent to Dublin and she sent in
45:51
Speaker 1: chains and at this point she's going to be like,
45:55
Speaker 1: she's forty eight ish, almost fifty and she's sent there
46:03
Speaker 1: is like this demonstration of lying to the crown. Let me,
46:09
Speaker 1: she did offer you help, and then she went off
46:13
Speaker 1: pirating because like, you can't be pirrating and she was like,
46:16
Speaker 1: I'm not pirting, and then she goes off in pirates,
46:19
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So she gets kept in
46:23
Speaker 1: for like nearly a year and they released her in
46:27
Speaker 1: fifteen seventy nine, and uh, she gets sent back to
46:33
Speaker 1: Carrigahuy and she gets besieged. So Captain Marlin he gets
46:40
Speaker 1: her for her pirting escapades, but this is not Grona's
46:47
Speaker 1: first rodeo, and she scales the bugger off. And then
46:51
Speaker 1: a year later, Iron Dick he becomes Lord Burke, and
46:56
Speaker 1: because he's still under English like consideration, he is still
47:02
Speaker 1: seen as married to Gronia. So Gronia gets awarded the
47:06
Speaker 1: title of Lady Birk because yeah, appeasement, that's totally gonna
47:13
Speaker 1: work for her. Mm hmm. Given her a fancy title. Yeah,
47:19
Speaker 1: but she gets like a new castle. She gets a
47:22
Speaker 1: new title, and they think, you know, this will be
47:25
Speaker 1: enough for her to calm down and not be involved
47:27
Speaker 1: in every single rebellion over the next forty years. Uh
47:32
Speaker 1: huh great. Sure. Three years later though, Oh unfortunately I
47:41
Speaker 1: am dick. He dies of natural causes and gronia. She's
47:46
Speaker 1: been through this before, she knows the whole spiel. So
47:50
Speaker 1: she packs her bag, She grabs her followers, her you know,
47:55
Speaker 1: one thousand head of cows, her males, her fighting men,
48:01
Speaker 1: her galleys, and she heads back to Carragihilly. And she's
48:06
Speaker 1: fifty three. She's independent. Why why would she get involved
48:13
Speaker 1: in anything nefarious? Because some people just love the sea, right,
48:19
Speaker 1: they just like it because when you're a professional pirate,
48:24
Speaker 1: you don't have to wear a suit, And yeah, why
48:30
Speaker 1: would she do that anyway? Fifteen eighty four rolls round
48:34
Speaker 1: and Sir John Parrot he is appointed the Lord Deputy
48:37
Speaker 1: w her dear old friend Richard Bingham as the provincial
48:41
Speaker 1: President of Connacht. And my god, that man hates the
48:46
Speaker 1: Irish and he despises grown up with a fiery passion.
48:51
Speaker 1: So Perott, he's trying to catch more flies with honey
48:55
Speaker 1: than vinegar, and Bingham he very much fails the stick
49:01
Speaker 1: to the carrot, so the barks they start rebelling. Bingham
49:05
Speaker 1: he is unnecessarily cruel, so he sends his brother to
49:13
Speaker 1: go kill on No Floherty, Gronia's oldest son. Right, So
49:19
Speaker 1: Gronia invites you know, Bingham's brother in. He offers him hospitality,
49:24
Speaker 1: right like Game of Thrones, like the phrase like you
49:29
Speaker 1: eat in the house, it's a whole thing. So they
49:32
Speaker 1: get in there and oh, no, flarerty. He offers you know, food, wine, everything,
49:39
Speaker 1: a lovely dinner, and what does he get stapped? He
49:43
Speaker 1: gets stabbed twelve times in fact, and again, in a
49:50
Speaker 1: move that should surprise absolutely nobody, Gronia decides to join
49:55
Speaker 1: the rebellion, and Bingham for his which is uncouth act.
50:02
Speaker 1: He gets sent to help the Dutch with their like
50:06
Speaker 1: a fight against Spain, and will he's away grown your
50:10
Speaker 1: sales round to the pale, right, and she asks Peril
50:13
Speaker 1: for a pardon for her and her children for their
50:16
Speaker 1: past defenses, and he's like, absolutely no problem, barely an inconvenience,
50:23
Speaker 1: and yeah, all is well, Everything's good. Fifteen eighty eight
50:31
Speaker 1: rolls around and the Spanish Armada is coming in. Unfortunately,
50:40
Speaker 1: the Spanish Armada had to deal with weather, which was
50:44
Speaker 1: the main if it didn't have a storm, if things
50:47
Speaker 1: didn't go badly, English history I think would be very
50:51
Speaker 1: different now. But so Spanish Armada happens. People get washed
50:57
Speaker 1: up on the shore and as far as we know,
51:02
Speaker 1: Gronia was involved in saving Spaniards because one of her
51:07
Speaker 1: mad trade routes with Spain she spoke Spanish and there's
51:12
Speaker 1: a rumor that she like saved a bunch of Spanields
51:16
Speaker 1: and brought them over to Scotland where they were safe,
51:20
Speaker 1: you know, from Elizabeth, or so they say. But yeah,
51:26
Speaker 1: it's fifteen eighty eight. Perrot is replaced with Fitzwilliams. Bingham
51:30
Speaker 1: returns and just fucks everything up. He's killing, he's laying
51:35
Speaker 1: waste to the land and the people. In Fitz william
51:38
Speaker 1: he tries to rain him in but does not work,
51:42
Speaker 1: and uh, Bingham gets tried, but you know again, rich
51:49
Speaker 1: white dude, he gets acquitted kill surprise, and because he's
51:55
Speaker 1: not happy with you know, the amount of suffering he's
51:57
Speaker 1: already caused, Bingham returns to Connacht and is well mad
52:03
Speaker 1: and he is absolutely held bent on destroying Gronia, and
52:07
Speaker 1: when she is out at sea, destroys her lands at
52:10
Speaker 1: Cargoholey right, and somehow someway he aligns himself with Marca,
52:21
Speaker 1: her third son, Marca will Flaherty. So she is well
52:29
Speaker 1: mad about this, and Grona just like straight up removes
52:32
Speaker 1: him from her will and she just basically denounces him,
52:39
Speaker 1: you know, removes him from her life the whole sheha
52:41
Speaker 1: bang cuts him out. Oh yeah, and then she tortures
52:45
Speaker 1: all of his shit like she just sets it on
52:48
Speaker 1: fire her and yeah, all of Gronia's fleet ends up impounded.
52:54
Speaker 1: So by fifteen ninety two, Chi Budge he is held
52:58
Speaker 1: captive by Bingham, and Gronia is just not happy. She's
53:03
Speaker 1: not in it for this, and she is genuinely worried
53:06
Speaker 1: that her youngest child is going to be executed because
53:10
Speaker 1: he's like linked to the rebellion with the Earl of Tyrone.
53:12
Speaker 1: It's a whole thing, and she needs to be a
53:16
Speaker 1: stop to this. So like the following year, she ends
53:19
Speaker 1: up going all the way to the top. She goes
53:21
Speaker 1: above Bingham's head, She goes straight to the manager and
53:25
Speaker 1: requests an audience with Queen Elizabeth the first. So she
53:30
Speaker 1: shows up in Greenwich Castle right to make Queen Bess.
53:35
Speaker 1: She gets frisked and they find a dagger on her
53:38
Speaker 1: and she's like protection, they'll in it. She's like, of
53:43
Speaker 1: course I'm going to show up with a knife. I
53:45
Speaker 1: am in an enemy's like location. It would be stubid
53:48
Speaker 1: for me not to And they're like, fair enough, but
53:50
Speaker 1: we're still going to take it from you, you know,
53:53
Speaker 1: And so she sneezes. She's like her allergies are playing
53:57
Speaker 1: up or whatever hymn's to say, and she's given a handkerchief,
54:01
Speaker 1: so she blows her nose and then throws like the
54:06
Speaker 1: handkerchief into the fire and the courtiers and everyone you
54:12
Speaker 1: know there. So everyone at court, like all of the gentry,
54:16
Speaker 1: everyone's surrounding, everyone is absolutely appalled at this. They are shocked.
54:22
Speaker 1: They are aghast, and they're like, what is this horrible
54:27
Speaker 1: act that has been committed upon us? And groans like
54:31
Speaker 1: what it was dirty? So I got rid of it,
54:36
Speaker 1: like I think it's more of a shock value thing.
54:41
Speaker 1: She did it just to go boo at them, you know.
54:44
Speaker 1: She was like, oh, I bought a handky, what are
54:46
Speaker 1: you gonna do ooh. So she ends up chatting to
54:50
Speaker 1: good Queen Bess. Right, she's chatting to Elizabeth. You know,
54:54
Speaker 1: I call her good as if she was she was
54:55
Speaker 1: an arsehole like everybody else. So they're chatting in Latin
55:00
Speaker 1: because Elizabeth doesn't speak any Irish and Gronia apparently speaks
55:05
Speaker 1: no English, and Gronya's I mean, she's far pushing it
55:10
Speaker 1: at this point, you know, she's old, and she says
55:15
Speaker 1: to Elizabeth, you know, listen, I was seafearing. I was buccaneering.
55:22
Speaker 1: I was pellaging and pilfering and plundering and other words
55:26
Speaker 1: beginning with pee because we like alliteration here. I did
55:31
Speaker 1: all that because it was out of necessity. I a
55:36
Speaker 1: poor woman with terrible husbands ugh Am, all right, you know,
55:41
Speaker 1: and Bengham has it out for me, and you know,
55:44
Speaker 1: and I had to do with my own safety. And
55:48
Speaker 1: I just want to go and live a farmer's life,
55:51
Speaker 1: which would be nice if this didn't destroy all my shit,
55:54
Speaker 1: you know, it would be great. That's all I want
55:56
Speaker 1: to do. Unsurprisingly, Bengham is pest massively pests as information
56:04
Speaker 1: and so he he tries to like flee, but he
56:07
Speaker 1: gets arrested. In England. I mean, it's not too long
56:11
Speaker 1: before he ends up back in Ireland because again rich
56:14
Speaker 1: went Dard's you know what I mean, members of the gentry.
56:17
Speaker 1: Things are gonna go well for him. He's fine, you
56:20
Speaker 1: know whatever. So Elizabeth, she believes Gronya and she, you know,
56:28
Speaker 1: says that she will be a loyal subject upon receiving
56:32
Speaker 1: a small pension and other such goods. Right, She's like,
56:37
Speaker 1: I have appeased her in my infinite wisdom. I am correct,
56:41
Speaker 1: and she is, you know, like it's actually really funny though,
56:46
Speaker 1: because like see when she met her, she wouldn't curtsey
56:48
Speaker 1: to the queen because she's like, I'm the Queen of Ireland.
56:51
Speaker 1: Why would a curtsy to you? Like we're both queens.
56:55
Speaker 1: Deal with it. So yeah, Bingham, he's incense, right, He's
57:05
Speaker 1: just so mad about this, and he just lays chaos
57:14
Speaker 1: and just just keeps whaling on Grownya. He just makes
57:18
Speaker 1: things difficult for her continuously, like consistently, one after another
57:24
Speaker 1: in a row, just one dodgy piece of thing after another,
57:27
Speaker 1: right and growing. It is like really right, fine, And
57:34
Speaker 1: she returns to seafaring in pirrating ways, like in seventeen
57:43
Speaker 1: ninety five, like she's like, oh man, is you up
57:49
Speaker 1: to this stuff again? I better get in my boat.
57:51
Speaker 1: And there's reports of her being an elderly woman, like
57:55
Speaker 1: she's almost eighty and she's pirating, like's I mean, that's
58:01
Speaker 1: just impressive. And by fifteen eighty seven, just two years
58:08
Speaker 1: after this, the Burke family they end up with a
58:12
Speaker 1: tidy wee summer. Right, they get a nice wee junker
58:16
Speaker 1: change for helping the crown, Like that's good for them.
58:21
Speaker 1: I guess don't know what they did. They just kind
58:23
Speaker 1: of showed up and we're like, we're here, we're helping hi.
58:27
Speaker 1: But even then, you cannot keep growing your off a boat.
58:31
Speaker 1: Like there are reports and sidings of her up until
58:34
Speaker 1: sixteen oh one, so she's like in her eighties, still
58:40
Speaker 1: doing all this stuff. But in sixteen oh three, age
58:48
Speaker 1: finally catches up with Grona and she dies of natural
58:53
Speaker 1: causes or I don't know. At this point, I think
58:57
Speaker 1: the sea just claimed her. They're like, come on, now,
59:00
Speaker 1: you're one of us. And that is the story of
59:05
Speaker 1: grondu Wiel Grande O'Malley, Ireland's pirate Queen. So what did
59:12
Speaker 1: we learn today? We learned that I like grandea, O'Malley.
59:17
Speaker 1: I'm also petty yay ah that you know. Pirating has
59:24
Speaker 1: no age limit. That's good and hell, hath no fury
59:30
Speaker 1: like a woman scorned, Like every time someone like near
59:35
Speaker 1: her is executed, she's like, I'm coming for you, I'm
59:38
Speaker 1: gonna get you, and I'm gona burn it down. And
59:41
Speaker 1: I appreciate that level of passion. I really did. And
59:45
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Speaker 1: want everybody sharing. I just I want her story out there.
1:01:16
Speaker 1: I know, it's just it's kind of fragmented because we
1:01:19
Speaker 1: don't have a clear history about her because history in
1:01:24
Speaker 1: Ireland is oral erl oral Er, one of those heard spoken,
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Speaker 1: so I have been listening to the song Pretty Boys
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1:02:23
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Speaker 1: David Scott. He's not actually a reverend. It's a long story.
1:02:33
Speaker 1: It's a joke, but yeah, David Scott the author. You
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Speaker 1: I want you to go watch a Muppet Treasure Island
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Speaker 1: actually because that is a quality movie. The songs you
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Speaker 1: cannot get anywhere, big shame. I mean, Tim Curry is
1:02:59
Speaker 1: a main frankly and that we fell. I went on
1:03:02
Speaker 1: to be a comedian. I'm sure he's doing great, but yeah, motherert.
1:03:07
Speaker 1: Treasure Island is a quality all year round film. Obviously,
1:03:11
Speaker 1: Christmas Carol is peak, isn't it, But we watch that
1:03:14
Speaker 1: at Christmas. Treasure Island has it has Tim curry and
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Speaker 1: instead of a part, he has a lobster. I mean,
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Speaker 1: what more do you want in a movie? Right? Again,
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Speaker 1: to be super annoying. I know, I know, I know,
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Speaker 1: but if you download it on Apple Podcasts or Spotify,
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Speaker 1: it does a thing. Partly, it boosts stuff up if
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Speaker 1: you are rating and reviewing, if you write stuff in
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Speaker 1: the box, it somehow boosts the review. I don't have
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Speaker 1: the answers, but the technology does a thing. But without
1:03:59
Speaker 1: further ado, I I really hope that this episode does well.
1:04:04
Speaker 1: I really do, cause it just means so much to me.
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Speaker 1: But yes, I am going to say good night to
1:04:10
Speaker 1: you all, thank you for listening. If you've made it
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Speaker 1: this far, thank you You're amazing. But I shall bid
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