Latest / The Alex Marlow Show / NYT's Hannah-Jones Experiments on Her Child, Trump & Mamdani Play 4-D Chess; Guest Emma-Jo Morris

Transcript

NYT's Hannah-Jones Experiments on Her Child, Trump & Mamdani Play 4-D Chess; Guest Emma-Jo Morris · The Alex Marlow Show

• 0:04
  Speaker 1: It is time for the moment of the week. Everyone's
• 0:07
  Speaker 1: favorite moment of the week. The moment I get the
• 0:08
  Speaker 1: most email about every week, which is Emma Jo Morris'
• 0:11
  Speaker 1: appearance here on the Marlowe Show podcast. Emma Jo, thank
• 0:14
  Speaker 1: you for coming back. We have a very New York-centric
• 0:16
  Speaker 1: show today. We've got a lot of UN stuff. We've
• 0:19
  Speaker 1: got Mamdani and Trump having a bromance, but also Netanyahu
• 0:22
  Speaker 1: dunking on Mamdani at the UN. We've got a Gotta
• 0:25
  Speaker 1: Get Your Take on this Nicole Hannah-Jones story. who made
• 0:27
  Speaker 1: an anthropological experiment out of her own daughter, and it
• 0:30
  Speaker 1: didn't work. Stunning and brave. And we'll get your thoughts
• 0:35
  Speaker 1: on that as well. Plus, you get to spend some
• 0:37
  Speaker 1: time with the First Lady of the United States, everyone's
• 0:39
  Speaker 1: favorite First Lady, the classiest woman in America, no disrespect
• 0:43
  Speaker 1: to Mrs.
• 0:43
  Speaker 2: Dr.
• 0:43
  Speaker 1: Marlowe, who I consider a close second. but really an outstanding,
• 0:49
  Speaker 1: outstanding individual. And you can spend some time with her.
• 0:50
  Speaker 1: You'll tell me all about that right now, plus some more.
• 0:53
  Speaker 1: We'll get some more variety for you. But let's start with,
• 0:55
  Speaker 1: you were hanging out with Melania. I can't resist. Let's
• 0:57
  Speaker 1: start there.
• 0:58
  Speaker 3: What did you guys do?
• 1:00
  Speaker 4: Yeah, hanging out. I mean, maybe that word is doing
• 1:04
  Speaker 4: a lot of work, but I'll take it. It makes
• 1:06
  Speaker 4: me sound cool. No, but I went to two of
• 1:09
  Speaker 4: Melania's events this week in New York. The first one
• 1:11
  Speaker 4: was her Fostering the Future event. That was the first
• 1:14
  Speaker 4: time I had seen her in person, actually, and I
• 1:16
  Speaker 4: was just observing it. And she brought together all these
• 1:21
  Speaker 4: first ladies from around the world for a luncheon and
• 1:24
  Speaker 4: to announce that she had brought them into her Fostering
• 1:27
  Speaker 4: the Future initiative, which is, I guess, just raising money
• 1:32
  Speaker 4: for scholarships for orphans. I'm pretty sure that there's a
• 1:35
  Speaker 4: pretty high rate of orphans who, after they get out
• 1:38
  Speaker 4: of like when they turn 18, I guess, and they
• 1:41
  Speaker 4: get out of the system, their life doesn't have much
• 1:44
  Speaker 4: structure and they don't have very high graduation rates, I
• 1:46
  Speaker 4: would imagine. And I think that's the premise of her initiative.
• 1:50
  Speaker 4: So she raises money to put them through school and
• 1:53
  Speaker 4: put them through college. And she's getting more countries on
• 1:56
  Speaker 4: board to do that. I think not only for the
• 2:00
  Speaker 4: underprivileged children in their countries, but I think to pitch
• 2:03
  Speaker 4: in more for underprivileged children in ours. So- That was interesting.
• 2:09
  Speaker 4: It's interesting to see a first lady who actually doesn't
• 2:13
  Speaker 4: just like raise awareness in this like vague way, but
• 2:16
  Speaker 4: actually gets people to sign checks and actually takes action
• 2:21
  Speaker 4: on the initiatives that she wants to champion. It's not
• 2:24
  Speaker 4: talking about it. It's creating change in real people's lives,
• 2:29
  Speaker 4: in real Americans' lives. So that's interesting. I think that
• 2:32
  Speaker 4: that works with the Trump brand. You know, Trump is
• 2:34
  Speaker 4: a doer and it makes sense that she is doing
• 2:38
  Speaker 4: the same thing in her own way.
• 2:40
  Speaker 3: She's such a doer.
• 2:41
  Speaker 1: I couldn't recommend, I've actually not met her at all,
• 2:45
  Speaker 1: which is kind of amazing because Breitbart's like the number
• 2:47
  Speaker 1: one pro-Melania fangirl site around.
• 2:51
  Speaker 3: But her, everyone's got to.
• 2:53
  Speaker 1: Check out the Amazon documentary that they made of her,
• 2:56
  Speaker 1: which is, it was put out by her people, so
• 2:58
  Speaker 1: you can look at it through that lens.
• 3:00
  Speaker 3: But I mean, she is a worker. She is a worker.
• 3:03
  Speaker 1: First of all, she speaks five languages. Her fashion sense
• 3:06
  Speaker 1: is not just, She's not just a mannequin that people
• 3:08
  Speaker 1: are dressing. I mean, she's very proactive about it. She
• 3:11
  Speaker 1: understands it. She's a big historical knowledge. She's obviously a
• 3:14
  Speaker 1: super high intellect individual. And I just think that people
• 3:18
  Speaker 1: don't understand that about her because they don't bother to
• 3:20
  Speaker 1: take the time to figure out that she's a very
• 3:22
  Speaker 1: serious individual who's completely life-maxing.
• 3:26
  Speaker 4: Oh, 100%. And she's really cultural and really aesthetic that way. Like,
• 3:32
  Speaker 4: I remember after I watched the documentary... I was thinking, like, oh,
• 3:36
  Speaker 4: you know, my first impression walking out of it was, oh,
• 3:38
  Speaker 4: I wish that she had answered more questions, like, I
• 3:41
  Speaker 4: don't know, about how she felt during the FBI raid,
• 3:44
  Speaker 4: how she felt after the assassination, how she felt during
• 3:47
  Speaker 4: the re-election. Like, I was looking for more of, like,
• 3:49
  Speaker 4: her explaining things to me and, like, talking. And after
• 3:54
  Speaker 4: reflecting on it more and speaking to a fellow artist
• 4:00
  Speaker 4: who I'm married to, you know, I realized that that
• 4:04
  Speaker 4: isn't like she's not a commentator. And if you want
• 4:08
  Speaker 4: to look at her through the like lens of politics
• 4:12
  Speaker 4: and comment, like commenting, like that's not who she is.
• 4:15
  Speaker 4: And she has never waded into that fray because she's
• 4:19
  Speaker 4: the classiest woman in America, you know? So she doesn't
• 4:22
  Speaker 4: like that's beneath her. And what she is about in
• 4:25
  Speaker 4: the way that she does express herself exactly is through
• 4:28
  Speaker 4: art and through fashion and through taste. And that is
• 4:32
  Speaker 4: what the documentary is showing. And that's how, she is
• 4:34
  Speaker 4: very expressive in that documentary. It's just not in the
• 4:37
  Speaker 4: way that we're used to or like in the way
• 4:39
  Speaker 4: that we would expect because she's married to Trump and
• 4:41
  Speaker 4: we're used to Trump. Like she isn't Donald Trump. She's Melania. And, and,
• 4:47
  Speaker 4: and her way of communicating is, is different and it
• 4:52
  Speaker 4: has to be appreciated that way. Otherwise you won't get it.
• 4:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, no, she benefits from more subtlety and nuance in
• 4:58
  Speaker 1: your analysis.
• 4:58
  Speaker 3: And she also, she's not just not trashy. She's not
• 5:00
  Speaker 3: a trashy person.
• 5:01
  Speaker 1: And, We're in a moment where in order to get
• 5:04
  Speaker 1: attention in our cultural class, usually trashiness is what gets
• 5:09
  Speaker 1: the likes and the shares.
• 5:11
  Speaker 3: And that's just not what she's doing.
• 5:12
  Speaker 1: And the Be Best stuff, which I know people made
• 5:14
  Speaker 1: fun of her for Be Best for whatever reason.
• 5:16
  Speaker 3: I don't know why.
• 5:16
  Speaker 1: But the whole point is trying to get kids to
• 5:18
  Speaker 1: live a healthier life and be more respectful. There was
• 5:21
  Speaker 1: a respect element of it, which is just super important.
• 5:24
  Speaker 1: And the healthy living, she was ahead of the curve
• 5:25
  Speaker 1: on that. Now all we're talking about I did an
• 5:28
  Speaker 1: interview on my live show today with Admiral Brian Christine
• 5:31
  Speaker 1: from Health and Human Services. He had Richard Levine's old job.
• 5:35
  Speaker 1: So like really high up. And they're just focusing on
• 5:37
  Speaker 1: getting kids like eating right and jogging. And it's like
• 5:40
  Speaker 1: Melania was on this 10 years ago. And then she's
• 5:43
  Speaker 1: super negative on the AI cyberbullying. She was pushing the
• 5:47
  Speaker 1: take it down act where there's no deep fake porn
• 5:49
  Speaker 1: of people and stuff. So she's kind of on the
• 5:52
  Speaker 1: fundamental stuff. It's just perfect first lady casting. This is
• 5:55
  Speaker 1: all things we should agree on. And yet no one
• 5:57
  Speaker 1: lifts a finger and she's going out and she's going
• 5:59
  Speaker 1: to try to get some money to help foster kids
• 6:01
  Speaker 1: re acclimate to society.
• 6:03
  Speaker 3: Like that's what could be wrong with that?
• 6:06
  Speaker 4: It's awesome. Yeah, 100%. And actually does it like, you know,
• 6:08
  Speaker 4: and you brought up the Take It Down Act. It's
• 6:10
  Speaker 4: like what first lady has like passed legislation? She's definitely
• 6:14
  Speaker 4: very proactive. She's just not loud. And I think that
• 6:19
  Speaker 4: people are always either expecting loud because of Trump or
• 6:22
  Speaker 4: because of our culture. And that's not her style. And
• 6:25
  Speaker 4: she hasn't lowered herself to be somebody who she's not.
• 6:28
  Speaker 4: You know, there's an element of like self-betrayal that she
• 6:32
  Speaker 4: won't engage in for the sake of like clicks or attention.
• 6:37
  Speaker 4: which ends up making her much more powerful. And, you know,
• 6:41
  Speaker 4: so there was two events actually this week that I
• 6:43
  Speaker 4: went to. Speaking of powerful, the second one was an
• 6:47
  Speaker 4: event for female CEOs that she's bringing together for a
• 6:50
  Speaker 4: new initiative that she's calling Imperia. And that was really
• 6:53
  Speaker 4: interesting and really inspiring. She got Lisa Su, who is
• 6:59
  Speaker 4: a chip company. She's CEO of a chip company and
• 7:02
  Speaker 4: hit $ 1 trillion in market cap. just the day before
• 7:06
  Speaker 4: this event. So on Wednesday, I guess, because the event,
• 7:08
  Speaker 4: or on Tuesday, the event was on Wednesday. And just
• 7:12
  Speaker 4: really powerful speakers. Melania was so excellent, you know, talking
• 7:17
  Speaker 4: about not only, again, you know, being there for each
• 7:21
  Speaker 4: other and championing each other as women or whatever. No,
• 7:24
  Speaker 4: she's talking about investing in each other's companies and actually
• 7:29
  Speaker 4: acting on behalf of your values. And and trying to, uh,
• 7:36
  Speaker 4: let's say like open doors for people through real opportunity,
• 7:40
  Speaker 4: not just lip service, which is, this is the theme
• 7:43
  Speaker 4: throughout all of her work is do not just do
• 7:46
  Speaker 4: lip service, actually act, actually have agency, which is real feminism,
• 7:50
  Speaker 4: by the way. Um, so anyway, just super powerful stuff.
• 7:54
  Speaker 4: I just love her. I love her aesthetic. I love
• 7:57
  Speaker 4: her vibe. Um, And she is so much more beautiful
• 8:00
  Speaker 4: in person than on film. I was really surprised by that.
• 8:04
  Speaker 4: She has this aura. She's got aura. Yeah, the way
• 8:08
  Speaker 4: light kind of hits her. She's just beautiful. And she's
• 8:12
  Speaker 4: really positive. And I think that she's very underrated. So
• 8:16
  Speaker 4: I was very happy to see her. And these events
• 8:17
  Speaker 4: were just riveting, honestly.
• 8:19
  Speaker 1: And I know the people closest to her are nonstop
• 8:22
  Speaker 1: Breitbart readers, which is not a bad thing as well.
• 8:24
  Speaker 4: That is. Yes, that is true. I will say that
• 8:28
  Speaker 4: I was explicitly asked, where's Breitbart? Where's Breitbart at these events?
• 8:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, good, good. Well, thank you for sharing that. And
• 8:36
  Speaker 1: who was there? Were there any other countries that you
• 8:37
  Speaker 1: were kind of like, that was cool, like that they
• 8:40
  Speaker 1: got the First Lady showing up?
• 8:43
  Speaker 4: Yeah, the Queen of Jordan was there. That was really cool.
• 8:46
  Speaker 4: She was definitely the most identifiable person, I think, in
• 8:49
  Speaker 4: the room to me.
• 8:50
  Speaker 3: Yeah, because she's hot too, right? She's another hot person, right?
• 8:53
  Speaker 4: She happens to be very beautiful. I'm not going to
• 8:56
  Speaker 4: call the Queen of Jordan hot on the Alex Marlowe podcast, but... Sorry,
• 9:01
  Speaker 4: my bad. She's probably toward Melania level on the scale. Yeah, no,
• 9:07
  Speaker 4: she's totally beautiful.
• 9:08
  Speaker 1: Like, where does she... They were all very beautiful. Between
• 9:11
  Speaker 1: Jill Biden and Melania, like, which side?
• 9:14
  Speaker 3: I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding.
• 9:17
  Speaker 4: I mean, I love cotton and polyester, I must say.
• 9:21
  Speaker 4: Jill Biden was great. But yeah, I think Melania was
• 9:26
  Speaker 4: probably more elegant than Jill Biden could have been.
• 9:29
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 9:30
  Speaker 1: Well, Jill Biden would have gotten a Nobel Prize if
• 9:33
  Speaker 1: she had done what Melania did.
• 9:35
  Speaker 3: Literally, right?
• 9:35
  Speaker 4: It's so unfair. It's I don't want to swear on
• 9:39
  Speaker 4: the show, but it's very unfair the way the double
• 9:43
  Speaker 4: standard that Melania is subjected to. And yet she doesn't even,
• 9:46
  Speaker 4: you know, that's the thing that's so great about her and,
• 9:50
  Speaker 4: you know, exemplifies be best. You know, she doesn't throw
• 9:54
  Speaker 4: shade at these people however much they deserve it.
• 9:57
  Speaker 3: Well, Melania is a standout because....
• 10:00
  Speaker 1: We've been talking a lot on this show and all
• 10:02
  Speaker 1: my live shows on the unbelievably bad run that women
• 10:05
  Speaker 1: have been on lately, Melania being a notable exception. But
• 10:09
  Speaker 1: I'll tell you, one person revealed himself to not be
• 10:11
  Speaker 1: paying any attention at all to this phenomenon, and that
• 10:14
  Speaker 1: is former President Barack Obama. He was speaking, I think
• 10:17
  Speaker 1: the Blaze caught this one, so shout out to them
• 10:19
  Speaker 1: for seeing this cut.
• 10:20
  Speaker 3: But let me play something for you. I'm going to
• 10:22
  Speaker 3: get your take on this.
• 10:23
  Speaker 6: Even when I was president, I sometimes fantasized about if
• 10:31
  Speaker 6: you put women in charge of every government for like
• 10:37
  Speaker 6: two years and then just kind of saw, all right,
• 10:43
  Speaker 6: how are things going? I have a strong belief that
• 10:49
  Speaker 6: things wouldn't be perfect.
• 10:52
  Speaker 3: But they'd be better. They'd be better. I'm confident about that.
• 10:59
  Speaker 4: I really do. So....
• 11:04
  Speaker 1: I think we should just put all those viral HR
• 11:07
  Speaker 1: ladies with their pre-layoff ritual with the TikTok dancing. Just
• 11:12
  Speaker 1: put all them in charge and then the whole world.
• 11:16
  Speaker 1: I was going through it before when I saw the clip.
• 11:19
  Speaker 1: I was just going to go through. Should I do
• 11:21
  Speaker 1: one of my things where I read a laundry list
• 11:22
  Speaker 1: of all the horrible things ladies have done lately? But
• 11:25
  Speaker 1: I'll just leave it at Lindsay Clancy kills her children
• 11:29
  Speaker 1: as they run away in their PJs with an exercise band.
• 11:33
  Speaker 1: And then it seems like half of the women in
• 11:35
  Speaker 1: America all went on TikTok to announce that she was
• 11:38
  Speaker 1: either innocent or the victim here. And this is the
• 11:40
  Speaker 1: moment Obama is going to announce that we need to
• 11:42
  Speaker 1: put all women in charge of everything.
• 11:44
  Speaker 4: Yeah, you know what? We need the longhouse for everyone
• 11:48
  Speaker 4: across the world.
• 11:48
  Speaker 3: Okay, okay, hold on.
• 11:50
  Speaker 1: I'm glad you said that because you used longhouse a
• 11:52
  Speaker 1: week or two ago, and people who are extremely online
• 11:55
  Speaker 1: know this. But for people in my audience who are
• 11:56
  Speaker 1: not as online, explain this concept because it's a very
• 11:58
  Speaker 1: important concept, I think, to understanding modern times.
• 12:02
  Speaker 4: Well, the long, I mean, it's just, it's a colloquial,
• 12:06
  Speaker 4: it's like a slang term for women, for a matriarchal
• 12:12
  Speaker 4: power structure. Yeah.
• 12:15
  Speaker 1: It's like socialist and all run by women. And it's
• 12:17
  Speaker 1: like a commune, like literal commune, like a commune run
• 12:20
  Speaker 1: by women. Like that's what it is.
• 12:23
  Speaker 4: Right. Exactly. I think that the, Don't quote me on this,
• 12:27
  Speaker 4: but I think the source of the term is like
• 12:29
  Speaker 4: a Native American culture where they live in the longhouse
• 12:32
  Speaker 4: and it's a matrilineal, like female-led culture. And that's what
• 12:37
  Speaker 4: the origin of the longhouse. But, you know, for the
• 12:40
  Speaker 4: purposes of this show, it means a society run by
• 12:43
  Speaker 4: where women are in the leadership.
• 12:47
  Speaker 3: It's also funny.
• 12:48
  Speaker 1: I would never say that it's a derogatory term. Oh,
• 12:51
  Speaker 1: it's a derogatory term in modern times. But here, hold on.
• 12:55
  Speaker 1: I got to play this again from the beginning because
• 12:56
  Speaker 1: I can't. I probably shouldn't go here, but I'm going here.
• 12:59
  Speaker 1: Let me play this clip.
• 13:01
  Speaker 6: Even when I was president, I sometimes fantasized.
• 13:05
  Speaker 5: About.
• 13:08
  Speaker 1: Okay, so after all that waiting, how many of you
• 13:10
  Speaker 1: thought he was going to say amen? Like, how many
• 13:12
  Speaker 1: of you thought he was going to say... Because I
• 13:14
  Speaker 1: kept thinking he's going to say amen.
• 13:15
  Speaker 3: He's going to say amen.
• 13:17
  Speaker 1: He didn't say men. In fact, he said the opposite.
• 13:19
  Speaker 1: He fantasized about women leading everything. I mean, what about
• 13:24
  Speaker 1: his wife? His wife could have been handed the presidency.
• 13:28
  Speaker 1: All she had to do was ask to be president,
• 13:30
  Speaker 1: and she probably would have won in, I think she
• 13:35
  Speaker 1: would have had a good shot in 2016. I think
• 13:36
  Speaker 1: she would have won for sure in 2020. I think
• 13:39
  Speaker 1: she would have had a good shot in 2024. And
• 13:42
  Speaker 1: she doesn't even want to be president. His own wife,
• 13:44
  Speaker 1: who was already the first lady, and would have it
• 13:46
  Speaker 1: handed to her. We'd have a coronation. And then now
• 13:49
  Speaker 1: everyone hates her because she's a terrible podcaster, which is
• 13:51
  Speaker 1: just so awesome that that's how it turned out.
• 13:53
  Speaker 4: But yeah, she should have left it at becoming. And
• 13:58
  Speaker 4: we could have had our very own longhouse and a
• 14:00
  Speaker 4: longhouse it would have been. But, you know, I find
• 14:03
  Speaker 4: like if I can just make one sort of serious
• 14:06
  Speaker 4: point about this, like silly but this silly comment is
• 14:10
  Speaker 4: like isn't it kind of patronizing to think that um
• 14:15
  Speaker 4: if you're a woman that you have like no bad
• 14:20
  Speaker 4: tendencies which is almost like you're not fully a human
• 14:23
  Speaker 4: being it's like You know, women and men both have
• 14:28
  Speaker 4: the ability to exact violence. They just do it differently.
• 14:32
  Speaker 4: Men use physical violence and women do it verbally. Women
• 14:37
  Speaker 4: can be extraordinarily cruel, obviously, because they're people. And to
• 14:42
  Speaker 4: deny that capacity feels infantilizing. So am I offended? I
• 14:46
  Speaker 4: don't know. Maybe. Kind of, actually.
• 14:51
  Speaker 3: So this is the thing. It is patronizing.
• 14:53
  Speaker 1: And it's also one of these things where I just
• 14:55
  Speaker 1: liked when we looked at whether or not people are
• 14:58
  Speaker 1: qualified or not. And what's funny about him is that
• 15:00
  Speaker 1: Hillary Clinton was way more qualified than he was in 2008.
• 15:03
  Speaker 1: And he didn't stand aside and say, let's make Hillary president.
• 15:07
  Speaker 1: He completely cut in line, completely. And then he didn't
• 15:11
  Speaker 1: really help her that much in 2016. And then if
• 15:15
  Speaker 1: you look around the world, there's so many super weak, lame,
• 15:18
  Speaker 1: and gay, spelled G-H-E-Y these days.
• 15:20
  Speaker 3: We spell it G-H-E-Y now.
• 15:22
  Speaker 1: Lame and gay men who are so feminine in their
• 15:25
  Speaker 1: leadership qualities. And then there are women who are tougher.
• 15:28
  Speaker 1: And it's just interesting.
• 15:29
  Speaker 4: Like Hillary.
• 15:31
  Speaker 1: Hillary's way tougher than half of the Democrat cucks and
• 15:33
  Speaker 1: half of the Republican cucks, to.
• 15:34
  Speaker 3: Be honest with you.
• 15:35
  Speaker 4: 100%. Hillary is a blade. She has a lot of
• 15:38
  Speaker 4: male-coded and masculine tendencies. Yeah. Maybe you could say, and
• 15:44
  Speaker 4: I think she'll sometimes make this case, that you have
• 15:48
  Speaker 4: to put on those tendencies or those behaviors to get
• 15:52
  Speaker 4: respect in this world, and it's so sexist. But come on,
• 15:55
  Speaker 4: it's not like she doesn't come by it naturally. She does,
• 15:58
  Speaker 4: and maybe that's why. Her ruthlessness, which is obviously a
• 16:02
  Speaker 4: male trait, generally, is one of the reasons for her success, obviously.
• 16:09
  Speaker 4: But that also doesn't make her less of a woman.
• 16:11
  Speaker 4: And again, I don't think that it's fair to her
• 16:17
  Speaker 4: womanhood to say otherwise.
• 16:19
  Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly. Who would they rather have?
• 16:21
  Speaker 1: Would they rather have, you know, Sarah Palin or Kristi
• 16:26
  Speaker 1: Noem or Brooke Rollins or Susie Wiles running things? Or
• 16:31
  Speaker 1: would they rather have Zoram Mamdani or Andy Beshear? or
• 16:36
  Speaker 1: Wes Moore, or all these Democrats who are just like
• 16:38
  Speaker 1: Mark Kelly with his scrotum-like head. They'd much rather have
• 16:43
  Speaker 1: those guys running. They don't care about gender or sex
• 16:46
  Speaker 1: at all.
• 16:47
  Speaker 3: They love it when men beat women in sports. He
• 16:49
  Speaker 3: loves it when men beat women in sports, in high school.
• 16:54
  Speaker 4: Sports.
• 16:54
  Speaker 1: It's just so low IQ, and that's why I'm fascinated.
• 16:57
  Speaker 1: He's supposed to be their smartest guy. He can barely talk.
• 17:00
  Speaker 1: He looks pretty skinny. He looks kind of gaunt these days.
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: He's a little shiny. They're not hitting him with the makeup.
• 17:06
  Speaker 1: Shirt collar's not crisp. They're so weak right now. I
• 17:10
  Speaker 1: just think they're so weak.
• 17:11
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I missed him campaigning for Marine Le Pen against
• 17:15
  Speaker 4: the oppressor that she was running against. I missed his
• 17:20
  Speaker 4: commending Giorgio Maloney's leadership in Italy. I'm sure that that's
• 17:24
  Speaker 4: in the other part of the clip that was just
• 17:26
  Speaker 4: cropped at the end of the soundbite.
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah, right, exactly, exactly. Yeah, then he goes on to
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: say how much he's a big admirer of Maloney and
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: what she's done for Italy. Yeah, which I think she's
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: going to have the longest tenure in modern times in Italy.
• 17:39
  Speaker 3: Great female leader. Yeah, he's going to congratulate her with that. Like, yeah,
• 17:42
  Speaker 3: of course not. And she's not even tough enough for
• 17:44
  Speaker 3: my take.
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: I mean, she wouldn't let us use the bases during
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: the Iran bombing.
• 17:49
  Speaker 4: There's a lot to criticize, but she's a woman, and
• 17:52
  Speaker 4: I'm waiting for Obama's ringing of praise for her.
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: Do you know one thing I also enjoy about this?
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: When people don't get the memo, we moved off this topic.
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: Because I think in a post-Lindsey Clancy world, I think
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: we got to take a break from the we're putting
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: women in charge of everything.
• 18:06
  Speaker 3: And we wake up every day, I feel like.
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: We had another day where we had the Elizabeth Holmes
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: news cycle for the new Elizabeth Holmes documentary. I should
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: have put that trailer up because... It looks like the
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: film event of the season. And like another person where
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: people couldn't wait to give money to this young, kind
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: of cute entrepreneurial woman. And they were throwing money at
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: her and she was completely full of baloney. And then
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: everyone got hosed on and she's prison bound. And anyway,
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: so they got a big documentary coming out about that,
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: which I'm looking forward to quite a bit. But It's
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: just how many stories do we have to read about
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: the latest teacher preying on the students for us to
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: think that, well, maybe we'll just evaluate people based off
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: of their ability and the content of their character and
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: not evaluate them based off of, you know, innate biological characteristics.
• 18:59
  Speaker 4: Well, right, exactly. And, you know, the Elizabeth Holmes example
• 19:02
  Speaker 4: is a great example. And, you know, maybe, I mean...
• 19:06
  Speaker 4: God knows maybe this section of the podcast will be
• 19:08
  Speaker 4: edited out in post before we get this up. But,
• 19:11
  Speaker 4: you know, women have ways of manipulating the people around
• 19:15
  Speaker 4: them and exerting power and leverage over the people around
• 19:19
  Speaker 4: them the same way men do. It's just different. And
• 19:23
  Speaker 4: that's a great example where, you know, it's often just
• 19:25
  Speaker 4: being charming. It's being cute. We hope is the least
• 19:30
  Speaker 4: of it. But we can't talk about that because women
• 19:33
  Speaker 4: are perpetual victims or something. I don't know. I think
• 19:37
  Speaker 4: that being able to talk about the ways that women
• 19:44
  Speaker 4: can be bad actually humanizes and and practices equality in
• 19:50
  Speaker 4: the way that the so-called feminists absolutely refuse to do
• 19:54
  Speaker 4: and you you wonder like are they stupid or are
• 19:58
  Speaker 4: they just uh like.
• 20:01
  Speaker 3: Demeaning Yeah, exactly.
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: And this is where it's hard to know whether or
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: not they're stupid or demeaning. And there's so many places
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: we can go with this conversation. I could segue to
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: the UN where Antonio Gutierrez, who's the or I think
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: it's Gutierrez, who is on his way out as UN
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: Secretary General, banging the gong on climate change again, where again, even.
• 20:23
  Speaker 3: The left moved on.
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: Like once they saw all that sweet AI cash, they're
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: all moved on from climate change. And he's still talking
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: about it. Like, buddy, he's with Obama. It's like these boomies,
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: like they can't get the memo that they're on new
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: talking points now.
• 20:36
  Speaker 3: They're not on the climate change.
• 20:38
  Speaker 4: Literally, they've even lost Greta.
• 20:41
  Speaker 3: They've even lost Greta, which reminds me. How dare you? Oh,
• 20:48
  Speaker 3: always at the ready. Greta saying, how dare you?
• 20:50
  Speaker 4: You had that at the tip of your fingers.
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a drop. It's just classic radio stuff. It's
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: just how, it's just, she's just, it's such a classic.
• 20:59
  Speaker 3: How dare you? So, but, but I don't want to
• 21:02
  Speaker 3: blow through that because it is another good one.
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: Another good reference from you is that they lost Greta.
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: Greta does not care about the climate anymore. She now
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: cares about.
• 21:10
  Speaker 4: She cares about Palestine.
• 21:11
  Speaker 3: Palestine. We're doing Palestine. Not a real place. Doesn't exist.
• 21:15
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 21:17
  Speaker 3: It's true.
• 21:18
  Speaker 4: It doesn't. Not recognized by the UN, by the way.
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: The Mahmoud Abbas, who is a million, he's a million
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: years old, who's ostensibly in charge of Palestine, even though
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: Hamas is really in charge. So the most pathetic guy
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: at the most pathetic conference of the year, the UN,
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: watching him talk, which I did do, which is, it
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: is amusing because this is someone who wields basically zero
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: power though he thinks of himself as the head of
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: state uh always very fun to see that sort of
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: thing but at the um but.
• 21:49
  Speaker 4: He's not even the right palestine he's the other palestine
• 21:53
  Speaker 4: that's not even the palestine we're talking about but okay
• 21:56
  Speaker 4: whatever go.
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: On so so no no but but elaborate like go ahead.
• 22:01
  Speaker 4: Abbas rules the West Bank. And I thought the Palestine
• 22:06
  Speaker 4: du jour is Gaza.
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: Is Gaza, yeah. That's the Palestine that we really care about.
• 22:11
  Speaker 4: It's a totally different government. I mean, it's like using
• 22:19
  Speaker 4: Canada and the U.S. or something interchangeably. It's like similar cultures,
• 22:24
  Speaker 4: same dominant race, same language, but different places. Yeah.
• 22:29
  Speaker 3: It's such a great.
• 22:30
  Speaker 4: We're not worried about it. It's just an idea anyway.
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: It's such a great illustration that he doesn't even act
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: like he's in charge of Gaza. He's only in charge
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: of the West Bank. But then he gets to speak
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: as if he's a leader when he's just a thousand-year-old
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: man who they just trot out. And he looks so angry, too,
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: and upset and frustrated, which is... Look, so the UN,
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: one of the things that happened I think was interesting
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: is Zoram Mamdani was talking a big game about arresting
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: Prime Minister Netanyahu. And something kind of schizophrenic happened, which
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: is that Netanyahu showed up and he dunked on Mamdami
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: a bunch of times, even though a bunch of people
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: were walking out and stuff, which he deserved to do.
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: But then Mamdami had a great week with President Trump.
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: And I want to kind of break some of this
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: down piecemeal, but let me play a little bit of
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: Benjamin Netanyahu's speech at the UN.
• 23:17
  Speaker 7: We're in the office of the anti-Semitic mayor of New York.
• 23:22
  Speaker 7: I say this. Shame on you. Shame on you for
• 23:26
  Speaker 7: distorting the facts. Shame on you for inverting victim and aggressor.
• 23:32
  Speaker 7: Shame on you for spitting in the face of truth. Mr. Mamdani,
• 23:38
  Speaker 7: since you were elected mayor of this city, many Jews
• 23:43
  Speaker 7: no longer feel safe in New York.
• 23:45
  Speaker 3: They talk to me. They tell me.
• 23:48
  Speaker 7: This isn't the city we remember. It changed so quickly. Now,
• 23:53
  Speaker 7: it's no wonder. You praise criminals convicted of supporting Hamas,
• 23:58
  Speaker 7: you count as friends people like Hassan Piker, who said
• 24:02
  Speaker 7: America deserved 9-11. America deserved 9-11. Some friends you have.
• 24:09
  Speaker 7: You invite into your home a Palestinian journalist who felt
• 24:13
  Speaker 7: Hamas terrorists beating and torturing Israeli hostages and later admitted
• 24:19
  Speaker 7: that he refused to publish the videos in order to protect,
• 24:23
  Speaker 7: you guessed it, the terrorists.
• 24:26
  Speaker 3: All right, so.
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: this is my point here, Emma, is that even though Netanyahu,
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: a lot of people see him and they immediately are
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: going to reject anything he says, but he's not saying
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: a word here that's false. And he said he's going
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: to arrest Mamdani. Mamdani said he wants to arrest him
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: when he shows up. And then he shows up and
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: then he gives a speech just roasting Mamdani, which is,
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: it's great theater. I got to say, I don't know
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: what else I'm supposed to get out of it.
• 24:46
  Speaker 3: But what did you say? What do you see here?
• 24:49
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I was actually like winding up. I hadn't seen
• 24:51
  Speaker 4: the Netanyahu speech. And I was winding up to kind
• 24:55
  Speaker 4: of give the contrarian take that I don't think that
• 25:02
  Speaker 4: the president of Israel, just like I don't think Mamdani
• 25:05
  Speaker 4: should be wading into countries that they have nothing to
• 25:07
  Speaker 4: do with. But actually, as I watched it, I feel
• 25:10
  Speaker 4: like Netanyahu was doing something that I kind of wished
• 25:15
  Speaker 4: that he would do more and is finally actually doing this,
• 25:20
  Speaker 4: which is advocating for the well-being of Jews in general.
• 25:23
  Speaker 4: I feel like Netanyahu has been doing For a long time,
• 25:27
  Speaker 4: this thing where he kind of gestures to American Jews
• 25:33
  Speaker 4: to take on the mantle of Israel as their domestic
• 25:37
  Speaker 4: political issue for some reason and trying to wrap himself
• 25:41
  Speaker 4: in American Jews and make American Jews be his advocates
• 25:45
  Speaker 4: in America. And I've resented that as an American Jew,
• 25:48
  Speaker 4: by the way. And not felt that he was doing
• 25:52
  Speaker 4: what I thought was supposed to be the point of Zionism,
• 25:54
  Speaker 4: which is creating a secure place for Jews who are
• 25:59
  Speaker 4: facing persecution or violence in countries in the diaspora. Like,
• 26:04
  Speaker 4: I felt like the relationship was becoming too one way.
• 26:07
  Speaker 4: And for once, I feel like he's actually advocating for
• 26:11
  Speaker 4: people who have been victimized by leaders who are hostile
• 26:15
  Speaker 4: to Jews like Mamdani, and he is. I don't know
• 26:18
  Speaker 4: that the reason is purely anti-Semitism and love for Hassan Piker.
• 26:23
  Speaker 4: I think that the reason also includes not enforcing crime.
• 26:26
  Speaker 4: you know, a lot of the anti-Semitic crime in New
• 26:28
  Speaker 4: York is perpetrated by people who have a rap sheet
• 26:31
  Speaker 4: a mile long and who see a guy with a
• 26:33
  Speaker 4: kippah and think that he's not going to hit back
• 26:35
  Speaker 4: and go and just punch him in the face. Um,
• 26:38
  Speaker 4: and that isn't necessarily the, the person is, uh, you know,
• 26:43
  Speaker 4: doing it for some sort of anti-Jewish reason. They're usually
• 26:46
  Speaker 4: doing it for a lunatic reason, but Jews become the
• 26:49
  Speaker 4: victims of it. Um, And I'm happy that he is
• 26:54
  Speaker 4: advocating for American Jews, too, and not just demanding things
• 26:58
  Speaker 4: of American Jews and advocacy by American Jews for him.
• 27:02
  Speaker 4: You know, Zionism, and we've talked about this on the show,
• 27:05
  Speaker 4: Zionism was always, at least to Jews in the diaspora,
• 27:08
  Speaker 4: was always marketed as, you know, an ideology that believes
• 27:13
  Speaker 4: that Jews deserve a safe place on earth. You know,
• 27:17
  Speaker 4: the state of Israel was established after the Holocaust. And
• 27:20
  Speaker 4: the lesson that Zionism gleaned from the Holocaust was, you know,
• 27:24
  Speaker 4: Jews need a place that's protected by a military, that's
• 27:28
  Speaker 4: for them to seek refuge if they ever need it.
• 27:32
  Speaker 4: And that was something that obviously, you know, who would
• 27:35
  Speaker 4: disagree with that unless you're kind of anti-Semitic, basically. And
• 27:39
  Speaker 4: that was, I think, how anti-Zionism and anti-Semitism became married
• 27:42
  Speaker 4: for a long time. But I think that, like, lately—
• 27:46
  Speaker 4: you know, with all the various fronts of wars going on,
• 27:49
  Speaker 4: and I know that you've criticized some of this on
• 27:51
  Speaker 4: your show, I feel like this has become inverted and
• 27:55
  Speaker 4: there's been a bit of a category error here where,
• 27:57
  Speaker 4: all of a sudden, I feel like Netanyahu has been
• 27:59
  Speaker 4: coming to the U.S. or talking to the U.S. and saying, hey,
• 28:02
  Speaker 4: American Jews, like, are you doing enough in your home
• 28:06
  Speaker 4: countries to channel resources toward Israel and, you know, use
• 28:11
  Speaker 4: your governments in the diaspora to protect Israel? And it's like, no, no, no,
• 28:15
  Speaker 4: that is not what you originally said, and that was
• 28:17
  Speaker 4: not the original promise of Zionism to Jews after the Holocaust. So,
• 28:23
  Speaker 4: you know, this is heartening, and I'm glad that he's
• 28:25
  Speaker 4: using the platform to talk about this, because, yeah, you know,
• 28:28
  Speaker 4: there is a major anti-Semitism problem in New York, and, yeah,
• 28:30
  Speaker 4: it is perpetuated by Mamdani. It's perpetuated by elevating figures like,
• 28:35
  Speaker 4: you know, Hassan Piker, who's obviously extremely anti-Semitic, and the other,
• 28:38
  Speaker 4: you know, names that he's mentioned, I'm sure. I mean,
• 28:41
  Speaker 4: Mamdani now tries to be cute about it and tries
• 28:44
  Speaker 4: to back away from it, but he has totally espoused
• 28:48
  Speaker 4: support for the phrase, globalize the intifada, and, you from
• 28:52
  Speaker 4: the river to the sea and stuff like that. And then, yeah,
• 28:56
  Speaker 4: I mean, he refuses to lock up people who target
• 28:58
  Speaker 4: Jews because they see them as soft targets and, uh, uh,
• 29:03
  Speaker 4: have some sort of cultural beef with them. So good
• 29:06
  Speaker 4: for him. Thank you.
• 29:07
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's good for him.
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: And he, he, I think points out, I think correctly,
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: that there's no genocide. He goes on to point that out,
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: which I've been doing the show a number of times,
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: the arguments that obviously we're not. Genocides don't have breaks.
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: Genocides don't involve leafleting. Genocides don't involve vaccines and food aid.
• 29:24
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and warning people to move away.
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's of course false. And yet so many in
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: the West repeat this. And then Mamdani does say that
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: that's what's happening. But he's feckless in being able to
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: arrest him. As Fetterman said, I love this. Go pick
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: up trash.
• 29:37
  Speaker 3: I love that. Yeah, for real.
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, which is, again, like our cities are falling apart
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: and they're falling apart constantly. while they're preoccupied with things overseas.
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: The same way you were prepared to criticize Netanyahu for
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: talking about stuff over here, Mamdani, he needs to straighten
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: out New York public school system, which we're going to
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: get to in a second, before he starts worrying about Israel.
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: That's the job. And he's not running for president because
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: he's Ugandan. So he's not running for president, which is really,
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: really important to note here. But I thought this was
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: kind of interesting. But there is some 3D chess going
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: on with Mamdani. And I want to share... his interaction,
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: at least a cut of his interaction with President Trump.
• 30:16
  Speaker 3: Let me roll this.
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: No, I certainly hope he will be a great mayor.
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: You have to understand, I want what's good for New York.
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: I want what's good for the country. So if I
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: had a choice of having him be a bad mayor
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: or horrible mayor, I don't want that. I want him
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: to be a great mayor. And he's certainly got potential,
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: got great potential.
• 30:34
  Speaker 5: Thank you so much.
• 30:34
  Speaker 3: That's all the time we have.
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: So Trump has been very open about he's a cheerleader
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: for this country. And I do sincerely believe he would
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: like Mamdani to be a great mayor. And Trump is
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: not a partisan the way, you know, I'm a partisan
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: in the sense that I've just, I've had my entire
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: adult life rooting against Democrats. Trump is not like that.
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: He spent most of his life as a Democrat. So,
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: but here's what he really thinks of Mamdani, because we've
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: already heard what he says.
• 30:55
  Speaker 3: Check this out. This is from last year.
• 30:57
  Speaker 5: This is a man- who's not very capable, in my opinion,
• 31:01
  Speaker 5: other than he's got a good line of bullshit, and
• 31:04
  Speaker 5: he's convinced them to go with him. Now, as you know, Cuomo,
• 31:10
  Speaker 5: who does have capability, is running, but he got knocked out,
• 31:14
  Speaker 5: and now they're running as, you have Eric Adams, the
• 31:18
  Speaker 5: current mayor, you have Cuomo, and you have Curtis Lewa.
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: All right, yeah, I don't need to go any more
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: than that, but he's got a good line of BS.
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: That's what Trump really thinks. So here's what's going on.
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: I think Trump's base is, is partially because they got
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: people like me in their ear, is saying that Trump
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: knows what he's doing. Trump is a cheerleader for this country.
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: This is a completely blue city. He identifies with this city.
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: And there is nothing classy about the president rooting against
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: a mayor of the biggest city. And it's not going
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: to work in terms of a news cycle. The news
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: cycle is going to be relentless on Trump if Trump
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: doesn't root for him. But then I'm wondering, what's in
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: it for Mamdani? Are we witnessing two games of 3D chess?
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: Is this like when you're watching a super elite high
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: stakes poker here? Because does Mamdani's base see him with
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: Trump and think that's bad? Or do they feel like
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: Zoran's in on the joke?
• 32:09
  Speaker 4: Well, I think Mamdani, at least from the perspective of like,
• 32:15
  Speaker 4: I think, Look, Democrats, even though he's a Ugandan citizen
• 32:19
  Speaker 4: and can't be president, Democrats see him as the leader
• 32:23
  Speaker 4: of the Democratic Party, I guess, de facto. He is
• 32:25
  Speaker 4: the strongest Democrat, I think, in the country. He's much
• 32:29
  Speaker 4: stronger than Hakeem Jeffries. Nancy Pelosi, rest in power. She's
• 32:34
  Speaker 4: not around anymore. Who else is there? Longhouse Obama, like,
• 32:42
  Speaker 4: Gavin Newsom, who doesn't have any cred with the populist base,
• 32:46
  Speaker 4: which is the energy and the power in the Democratic
• 32:48
  Speaker 4: Party right now. I mean, Mamdani is it. And he
• 32:51
  Speaker 4: has enough social capital that he can afford to bring
• 32:57
  Speaker 4: Trump to Gracie Manchin and hang with him and By
• 33:02
  Speaker 4: the way, he's not doing it just spending. He's earning
• 33:06
  Speaker 4: while he's having Trump over because the rest of that
• 33:09
  Speaker 4: press conference that you just played a clip from, Trump
• 33:12
  Speaker 4: talks about how he's going to work with Mamdani on
• 33:13
  Speaker 4: building public housing. You know, Mamdani isn't the leader of
• 33:16
  Speaker 4: the Democratic Party, which I think that he is. He's
• 33:20
  Speaker 4: not the leader of the Democratic Party for no reason.
• 33:22
  Speaker 4: He's the leader because he is really, really good. And
• 33:26
  Speaker 4: he sees politics as.
• 33:31
  Speaker 4: You know, which honestly, he's right. How do I extract
• 33:34
  Speaker 4: my policy goals as efficiently as possible? And if he
• 33:39
  Speaker 4: can find common ground with Trump in building stuff, then
• 33:44
  Speaker 4: why not? It's not like he has to cower in
• 33:47
  Speaker 4: fear from some sort of mob. He has the respect
• 33:50
  Speaker 4: of the mob. He also has the respect of the
• 33:52
  Speaker 4: establishment because he just bigfooted them in the last primary.
• 33:55
  Speaker 4: So he can... have like orange man over and not
• 34:01
  Speaker 4: worry about any flack because first of all, nobody would dare.
• 34:04
  Speaker 4: And second of all, he's going to come and say,
• 34:06
  Speaker 4: I'm getting a project built from this guy. What are you,
• 34:10
  Speaker 4: what's your like impotent rage doing for you?
• 34:14
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: And this is where I'm kind of wondering what is,
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: what is it Mim Donnie's average income? base voter thinking.
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: I mean, they don't care because they just see him
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: as just this white knight.
• 34:27
  Speaker 4: They don't care. They're trusting the plan.
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think they do trust the plan. I think
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: that's very interesting. I think it's very interesting that they
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: trust the plan. And so this is where what's so
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: amusing about this and part of the many, many reasons
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: I endorse Mamdani over just a murderer adjacent Andrew Cuomo,
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: who was responsible for the most coronavirus deaths of anyone
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: other than the CCP, the most responsible. of anyone with
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: his disastrous nursing home policies, among others.
• 34:55
  Speaker 3: One of the many reasons I endorse Mamdani is he
• 34:57
  Speaker 3: can't be president.
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: So if he's a big star, it just reminds you
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: of how weak and lame the whole Democrat Party is,
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: that they have a foreigner, an actual foreigner, is a
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: star of their party. Very unfortunate. Yeah, that's so wild.
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: That's so wild that that's the case. Okay, so Mamdani,
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: he's giving away opera tickets here. I got a social
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: media video of this. I do want your thoughts on this.
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: Here, Emma.
• 35:24
  Speaker 3: Welcome to A Night at the Opera.
• 35:26
  Speaker 8: Opera is one of the greatest art forms we have,
• 35:28
  Speaker 8: and there's no better place to see it than here,
• 35:30
  Speaker 8: at the iconic Metropolitan Opera House at Lincoln Center. Every
• 35:33
  Speaker 8: New Yorker should have the opportunity to see this, no
• 35:35
  Speaker 8: matter how much money is in their pocket. That's why
• 35:37
  Speaker 8: we're giving away 70,000 free tickets to the Met this
• 35:40
  Speaker 8: season for New Yorkers who've never experienced it before. From
• 35:43
  Speaker 8: now until early June, we're releasing 10,000 tickets a month
• 35:47
  Speaker 8: via lottery to see shows like Macbeth, La Boheme, and
• 35:50
  Speaker 8: many more, all absolutely free. And the best part, this
• 35:54
  Speaker 8: will be a permanent ongoing partnership with the Met every year.
• 35:58
  Speaker 8: So if you miss a show this year, don't worry
• 36:00
  Speaker 8: about it. You'll have a chance next year and the
• 36:01
  Speaker 8: year after that. And, well, you get the idea. All
• 36:04
  Speaker 8: you have to do is go to on.nyc.gov slash opera
• 36:07
  Speaker 8: to sign up. From the rise of the opera bufa
• 36:09
  Speaker 8: in the 18th century to Mayor Fiorillo LaGuardia's People's Opera
• 36:12
  Speaker 8: in the 1940s, this art form was meant to be
• 36:14
  Speaker 8: seen by everyone. Just get your glasses out, and I'll
• 36:17
  Speaker 8: see you at the show.
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 36:21
  Speaker 4: Okay. Oh, my God. He's such a genius. Oh, that's cool.
• 36:35
  Speaker 4: All right.
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: So, Emma, I was theater kid adjacent growing up. It
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: wasn't any of the high school plays, but theater kid adjacent. Well,
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: my sister was theater kid, and my mom used to
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: direct theater.
• 36:50
  Speaker 3: Theater in the community. And Mrs.
• 36:54
  Speaker 5: Dr.
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: Marlowe was not a theater kid, but was in the plays.
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: And I was in the symphony, and Mrs.
• 37:00
  Speaker 3: Dr.
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: Marlowe was in the choir. So we've got a lot
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: of this type of culture. I would do a lot
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: of plays and shows in New York and elsewhere. I
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: used to relish going to the LA Philharmonic when I
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: was a young violin player and music theory student.
• 37:14
  Speaker 3: But here's the thing.
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: These are dying art forms. They're not at the center
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: of the culture. They're not the periphery of the culture.
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: They're barely part of the culture at all. And I
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: look up, and La Boheme doesn't get more classic than
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: that as far as operas go. There are tickets for,
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: it's on tomorrow night, it's a recording.
• 37:28
  Speaker 3: There are tickets.
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: There's tickets for Macbeth on Saturday. There are tons and
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: tons of tickets for La Boheme for a Sunday matinee,
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: family-friendly time. It's a, what's going on here? There's something up.
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: It's a, the opera is saying we want to give
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: away tickets because no one's going, right? Like, that's what's happening?
• 37:46
  Speaker 4: Yeah. Well, yeah. So I think, well, I think that's
• 37:48
  Speaker 4: part of it. I think he's a total genius. Um,
• 37:50
  Speaker 4: you know, yeah, I think that's probably, well, I think
• 37:54
  Speaker 4: it's probably part of it is a every, first of all, okay.
• 37:57
  Speaker 4: The Lincoln center for people who haven't been to New
• 37:59
  Speaker 4: York or haven't gone to a ballet or an opera
• 38:01
  Speaker 4: in New York, which would be fair. Um, it's one
• 38:03
  Speaker 4: of the most beautiful venues. Oh God, to be in
• 38:07
  Speaker 4: North America. It's so beautiful. Um, it's such high ceilings.
• 38:11
  Speaker 4: It's a beautiful stage. The acoustics are incredible. The art
• 38:14
  Speaker 4: in there, the chandeliers, um, just everything is really opulent
• 38:18
  Speaker 4: and it's a really special place. It's a, it's, it's
• 38:22
  Speaker 4: a venue for high culture. And I don't, I think
• 38:26
  Speaker 4: that a lot of people probably don't go cause they
• 38:27
  Speaker 4: don't think to go to the opera.
• 38:28
  Speaker 8: You're right.
• 38:28
  Speaker 4: It isn't like a, you know, it's on an Ariana
• 38:31
  Speaker 4: Grande concert or whatever. But it is really uplifting to
• 38:35
  Speaker 4: be there. And there's something like spiritually nourishing about being there. And,
• 38:40
  Speaker 4: you know, obviously it's, it's, it caters to older demographics.
• 38:44
  Speaker 4: I'm sure they have spare tickets to every single show.
• 38:47
  Speaker 4: And I think that mom, this is like a perfect
• 38:50
  Speaker 4: classic reason why mom Donnie has the kind of popularity
• 38:53
  Speaker 4: and social capital that we just discussed in the last
• 38:56
  Speaker 4: few minutes is he thinks of things like this. Like
• 38:59
  Speaker 4: he probably like knows that. Yeah. Like there's obviously always
• 39:03
  Speaker 4: seats available that they don't sell for each show. It's like,
• 39:06
  Speaker 4: you can cut a deal with them for nothing to
• 39:09
  Speaker 4: just ask to donate the seats and it opens up
• 39:12
  Speaker 4: new audiences to the Lincoln Center. It maybe makes people
• 39:15
  Speaker 4: go for free one time, but maybe, you know, cop
• 39:18
  Speaker 4: tickets that are 100 bucks for the next time if
• 39:20
  Speaker 4: they really like it. So it promotes the Lincoln Center
• 39:23
  Speaker 4: and opens up the Lincoln Center to maybe people who
• 39:25
  Speaker 4: wouldn't have gone before. It allows people who can't, put
• 39:30
  Speaker 4: up a hundred bucks another time to just go once
• 39:33
  Speaker 4: and be exposed to something really beautiful and really special.
• 39:38
  Speaker 4: And it cost him nothing. It's such a good idea.
• 39:42
  Speaker 3: And even better.
• 39:45
  Speaker 4: That our politicians thought like that. And it's totally actual populism.
• 39:49
  Speaker 3: It totally is.
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: And also, the donors who are going to donate when
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: they're 40 are the ones who get hooked on it
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: when they're younger and actually think it's a cool thing.
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: And this is where I used to get tickets for
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: when I was in the middle school and when I
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: was in the high school symphony. There were tickets either
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: for free or for $ 20 at the Disney Concert Hall
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: in LA, which is It's unbelievable to go to an
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: event there. It truly is. I mean, you could see anything.
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: You could see a kid's recorder consort there, and you'd
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: be like, this is pretty good. This is a fun day.
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: And so you get hooked on that, and then that's
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: the type of people who make a lifelong thing. And
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: so it is very good, and it does make you
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: think about proactively doing stuff. And this is a lesson
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: for any personal leadership position in your life, just being proactive.
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: We're just going to do stuff. And Trump is the
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: best at this. And Mamdani sees that. But I thought
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: I thought that was pretty interesting that he's given away.
• 40:38
  Speaker 4: It's like, you know, it's it's things like that to
• 40:40
  Speaker 4: let him get away with murder. And I use that
• 40:42
  Speaker 4: term figuratively, but barely. You know, it's like this is
• 40:45
  Speaker 4: the same guy who leaves raving lunatics on the subways
• 40:48
  Speaker 4: because it's just a quality of life problem. That's the
• 40:51
  Speaker 4: reason why they're sleeping there and using the bathroom there
• 40:54
  Speaker 4: and smoking crack there. It's just because they don't have
• 40:56
  Speaker 4: a place to go. And everybody has to be subjected
• 40:59
  Speaker 4: to that, like, you know, aesthetic and sensory and literal violence. But,
• 41:05
  Speaker 4: you know, he does stuff like this and you kind
• 41:08
  Speaker 4: of forget about it for a second because it's not
• 41:11
  Speaker 4: only charming and smart, but it's a really nice initiative.
• 41:15
  Speaker 4: So screw me.
• 41:17
  Speaker 3: Yeah, interesting.
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: So it's good to keep an eye on certain things.
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: And I also found it interesting that could Ramdani create
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: a revival in opera? I don't think so, but I
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: just thought that that was just off the wall and
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: off the beaten path. And also, I don't think it
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: reflects on the fact that opera, it's just very hard
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: to get people to go to the opera.
• 41:38
  Speaker 3: And it's also.
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: Noteworthy that you know there's some taxpayer money that's going
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: to the opera. I'm sure it's not the direct funding
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: a lot, but it's the citizens getting a few tickets
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: every year kicked back in their direction that were going
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: empty anyway.
• 41:52
  Speaker 3: Just Seems kind of clever. So, all right. So, what
• 41:55
  Speaker 3: else is going on in your city?
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: I'll tell you one thing is you've got a famous
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: newspaper writer named Nicole Hannah-Jones who treated her own child
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: as an anthropological experiment. I did touch on this on
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: a live show, Emma, so I'll give you the floor here.
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: But summarize what she did and the remorse she felt.
• 42:14
  Speaker 4: Yeah, this is like the craziest article I've ever read
• 42:17
  Speaker 4: for so many reasons. But I'll give the brief summary
• 42:21
  Speaker 4: for people in the audience who haven't I think it's
• 42:23
  Speaker 4: a 50... I listened to it on the AI audio version.
• 42:29
  Speaker 4: It's 50 minutes, 5-0. She's such a windbag. But anyway,
• 42:34
  Speaker 4: so Nicole Hannah-Jones, famous retard and race narcissist at the
• 42:39
  Speaker 4: New York Times, wrote this extremely long essay basically talking
• 42:46
  Speaker 4: about how she... sacrificed her daughter at the altar of
• 42:52
  Speaker 4: her retarded race narcissism by sending her to a predominantly
• 42:56
  Speaker 4: Black public school in Brooklyn, where she lives near Dumbo.
• 43:02
  Speaker 4: And it begins because her daughter confronted her about how
• 43:08
  Speaker 4: she was completely robbed of an education and hasn't learned
• 43:11
  Speaker 4: anything and has never had any homework and goes to
• 43:14
  Speaker 4: school where everybody fights with each other and is totally
• 43:17
  Speaker 4: unruly and like teachers don't show up and zero learning
• 43:23
  Speaker 4: goes on. And she basically goes to her mother and
• 43:27
  Speaker 4: kind of hits her with the, you know, I'm aware
• 43:31
  Speaker 4: that you've sent me to one of the worst schools
• 43:33
  Speaker 4: in the city. And I feel like you've deprived me
• 43:37
  Speaker 4: of my entire, robbed me, I should say, of my
• 43:39
  Speaker 4: entire life. And then this essay is her grappling with
• 43:43
  Speaker 4: that conversation and the realizations that follow. it's pretty epic.
• 43:48
  Speaker 4: So I guess that's how I'll set it up. Do
• 43:50
  Speaker 4: you want to go ahead or do you want me
• 43:52
  Speaker 4: to comment?
• 43:53
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, no, just continue.
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: I mean, my take is she experimented on her own
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: child and then lived to regret it and then admitted
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: it in the New York Times or Substack or wherever
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: she is and I just find it to be Just
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: truly delicious. People are forgetting who this person is. This
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: is the person who created the 1619 hoax, which captivated
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: the country for a time. And it's still, like, people are,
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: there's 1619 podcasts. It's still charts on Apple Podcasts. People
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: keep finding this stuff. And they still listen to it.
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: And this is, you know, one of the supreme retards
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: of our time.
• 44:23
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I think actually Molly Hemingway reported, Federalist, shout out,
• 44:28
  Speaker 4: friend of the pod for sure, that the school that
• 44:31
  Speaker 4: her daughter goes to, actually, one of the things that
• 44:33
  Speaker 4: they do teach is the 1619 Project, which is just
• 44:37
  Speaker 4: so perfect. There's so many of these perfect ironies. You
• 44:41
  Speaker 4: almost feel like God wrote this story through Nicole Hannah-Jones
• 44:45
  Speaker 4: because To the keen eye, there's just so many perfect
• 44:51
  Speaker 4: synchronicities throughout the story that... are just so funny that
• 44:56
  Speaker 4: it's unbearable and irresistible. I will plug Breaking the News.
• 45:00
  Speaker 4: Part of the reason I'm not doing all the deals
• 45:02
  Speaker 4: is I'll plug Breaking the News. I think we're 46
• 45:04
  Speaker 4: minutes into the show, Evan, which is my record for longest.
• 45:06
  Speaker 3: Without plugging one of my books. So I'm proud of
• 45:09
  Speaker 3: my back for this.
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: But I have the definitive 1619 takedown, which you can
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: find elsewhere. But if you're listening to the show, you'll
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: probably like my version of it in Breaking the News.
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: So if you want all of the I go through
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: the big and small details they missed and just six,
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: some super obvious stuff like misquoting founding documents to just
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: super obvious to just big, huge historical blunders and all that.
• 45:32
  Speaker 3: And it was touted. It was given awards. It's given a,
• 45:34
  Speaker 3: what was heavily, um, awarded.
• 45:37
  Speaker 4: And so millions of dollars off of that bullshit.
• 45:40
  Speaker 3: It's a career, it's a career maker. It's a career maker.
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: And all the negative attention in our modern times only
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: seems to benefit. So, um, Tell me more about what
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: was the, what are we supposed to take away from
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: this thing?
• 45:52
  Speaker 3: Why did she commit this to paper? Why did she
• 45:54
  Speaker 3: write this out?
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: She experimented on her child and it failed.
• 45:58
  Speaker 4: It's so shameful. She's like the symbolic Lindsay Clancy. But
• 46:05
  Speaker 4: so she, like the 1619 Project, this story is full
• 46:10
  Speaker 4: of assumptions that she makes out of thin air or words.
• 46:14
  Speaker 4: claims that are totally made up and then at no
• 46:18
  Speaker 4: point in the piece does she justify them in any
• 46:22
  Speaker 4: way and I'll go through just a few but I
• 46:26
  Speaker 4: just want to set it up like it's funny because
• 46:30
  Speaker 4: in the piece, she actually, to her credit, has the
• 46:34
  Speaker 4: self-awareness to say, I stuck with my retarded race narcissism
• 46:38
  Speaker 4: and took it so far and lived by it so
• 46:41
  Speaker 4: much that it destroyed my kid's life. And in that result,
• 46:46
  Speaker 4: I realized how wrong I was to do that. But
• 46:49
  Speaker 4: then she misses the next like the half next step
• 46:54
  Speaker 4: of that which is obviously to reconsider the retarded race
• 46:57
  Speaker 4: narcissism in the first place but she can't do that
• 47:01
  Speaker 4: so instead what she does is she concedes how wrong
• 47:05
  Speaker 4: she was but then proceeds to try to spend 50,000
• 47:10
  Speaker 4: words of making the same claims unable to justify them
• 47:16
  Speaker 4: so You know, one example is she talks about how
• 47:21
  Speaker 4: the school, the problem with the schools is that they're
• 47:23
  Speaker 4: segregated and underfunded. That comes up multiple times in the piece.
• 47:27
  Speaker 4: They're segregated by race, which is obviously preposterous. You know,
• 47:32
  Speaker 4: your school district, like the school that you go to
• 47:34
  Speaker 4: is based on like where you live. And nobody is
• 47:37
  Speaker 4: segregating anybody in New York. You can obviously live wherever
• 47:40
  Speaker 4: you want. People choose to usually live places, I guess,
• 47:44
  Speaker 4: based on where they have like culturally relevant amenities, which
• 47:48
  Speaker 4: could produce some sort of bifurcation or segregation. But you
• 47:52
  Speaker 4: have that with Jewish communities. You have that with Christian communities,
• 47:56
  Speaker 4: Indian communities. I mean, if you're Jewish, you live near
• 47:59
  Speaker 4: a kosher supermarket in a synagogue. Nobody is forcing you
• 48:02
  Speaker 4: to segregate. But in any case, she blames segregation and underfunding.
• 48:07
  Speaker 4: But then when she talks about the reasons for her
• 48:10
  Speaker 4: daughter's bad experience at the school, the reasons that she
• 48:13
  Speaker 4: lists are things like constant fighting between the kids that
• 48:18
  Speaker 4: the teachers have to spend a ridiculous amount of time
• 48:21
  Speaker 4: trying to break up and mediate violence between students. Another
• 48:29
  Speaker 4: example that she cites for why the school was failing
• 48:32
  Speaker 4: was teachers chronically absent She gave one example about how
• 48:37
  Speaker 4: I think it was her daughter's math teacher like didn't
• 48:39
  Speaker 4: show up for most of the year and they just
• 48:41
  Speaker 4: kept having substitute teachers that never had like a consistent
• 48:45
  Speaker 4: lesson that actually followed itself from one day to the next.
• 48:50
  Speaker 4: You know, she also talks about how when there were
• 48:52
  Speaker 4: problems that, oh, and by the way, not to mention
• 48:55
  Speaker 4: the principal, sorry, worth pointing out, the principal, she said,
• 48:58
  Speaker 4: was also chronically absent of the school. And then she
• 49:01
  Speaker 4: talks about how when her daughter would bring up specific
• 49:04
  Speaker 4: issues that her and her husband would go and pester
• 49:07
  Speaker 4: the school and that eventually they would get addressed. So
• 49:11
  Speaker 4: I don't know how there's a race problem or a
• 49:15
  Speaker 4: funding problem in any of the things I just said.
• 49:18
  Speaker 4: And also if she's, admitting that the problems get addressed
• 49:22
  Speaker 4: after her badgering the school, then I don't think that
• 49:25
  Speaker 4: she changed her race throughout the badgering. So how do
• 49:28
  Speaker 4: you blame those problems and on racism? Um, if they're
• 49:32
  Speaker 4: based on racism, then they would, I would imagine never
• 49:35
  Speaker 4: be addressed because she's never unblack. So, um, none of
• 49:39
  Speaker 4: it really makes sense according to the ideology. And despite
• 49:44
  Speaker 4: admitting that the ideology, I guess, wronged her, she still
• 49:48
  Speaker 4: can't renounce it. Like, she can't take that extra step
• 49:51
  Speaker 4: to renounce it. And ironically, she does name and diagnose,
• 49:58
  Speaker 4: I think, the real problem in the piece, but almost
• 50:01
  Speaker 4: by mistake, where she says that, Nobody is looking out
• 50:08
  Speaker 4: for all those kids at the school. And, you know,
• 50:12
  Speaker 4: she says it in the context of, so I had
• 50:14
  Speaker 4: to take it upon myself to look out for them.
• 50:16
  Speaker 4: And in doing so, I sacrificed my daughter. But I
• 50:21
  Speaker 4: think that the whole sentence, the whole story could have
• 50:24
  Speaker 4: been one sentence, which has nothing to do with funding
• 50:27
  Speaker 4: nor race. which is nobody looks out for the students
• 50:31
  Speaker 4: at the schools, aka their parents who are supposed to
• 50:34
  Speaker 4: be the ones looking out for each kid has one
• 50:36
  Speaker 4: parent or two parents that are supposed to have their back. And,
• 50:42
  Speaker 4: you know, I think that the biggest testament to her,
• 50:48
  Speaker 4: or I think the, I guess the biggest question I
• 50:51
  Speaker 4: should say that I have about her failure to look
• 50:55
  Speaker 4: out for her own kid is like, This woman writes,
• 50:58
  Speaker 4: I think, like one piece a year. She's literally responsible
• 51:02
  Speaker 4: for publishing like maybe once every six months. Yeah. And
• 51:08
  Speaker 4: I mean, she talks about her kid being like illiterate
• 51:10
  Speaker 4: in grade four. And she's the problem. Like all of
• 51:17
  Speaker 4: the other parents probably at that school or like 90%
• 51:20
  Speaker 4: of them are the problem in that the whole thing
• 51:22
  Speaker 4: is just you're not looking out for your kids. I mean,
• 51:25
  Speaker 4: I'm always like told this thing with, you know, Democrats
• 51:28
  Speaker 4: have this line that I've been told and you've been
• 51:30
  Speaker 4: told our whole lives, which is underfunding. They have this
• 51:34
  Speaker 4: like buzzword of underfunding. When you actually read the piece
• 51:38
  Speaker 4: and you see the problems that she describes that the
• 51:41
  Speaker 4: kids have, it's like they need to sit still and
• 51:46
  Speaker 4: then the class needs to have a blackboard and a teacher.
• 51:49
  Speaker 4: You know, none of this has to do with money
• 51:52
  Speaker 4: at all. Same with like, you know, like I said,
• 51:57
  Speaker 4: the race stuff, there is not one point relevant to
• 52:00
  Speaker 4: race that she makes in that piece. Not one in
• 52:02
  Speaker 4: the 50 minutes I spent listening to that thing.
• 52:05
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a 50 minute listen. So that means like
• 52:07
  Speaker 3: 8,000 words.
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: And you're right to know that she was in public
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: very often. And she'd already congratulated herself for this decision.
• 52:15
  Speaker 1: It was like eight or 10 years ago. She wrote
• 52:17
  Speaker 1: about this and like saying what a great job it was.
• 52:22
  Speaker 1: that she did this thing where she enrolled her daughter.
• 52:24
  Speaker 1: By the way, I point this out on a live show.
• 52:26
  Speaker 4: She got a lot of attention for it. And she
• 52:28
  Speaker 4: wrote about that. She was like, yeah, people kept patting
• 52:31
  Speaker 4: me on the back for sending my kid to this.
• 52:33
  Speaker 1: Horrible- Impoverished school. Just because there's so many blacks, that's
• 52:39
  Speaker 1: why that she was sent there, is because she was
• 52:43
  Speaker 1: literally self-segregating on purpose. And to your point, it's not
• 52:46
  Speaker 1: because she keeps a 25-hour Sabbath and has to walk
• 52:51
  Speaker 1: the temple on Saturday.
• 52:52
  Speaker 3: Like, no, she's doing it because.
• 52:54
  Speaker 4: Well, she's the one segregating, which is exactly how segregating happens,
• 52:58
  Speaker 4: is that people segregate themselves.
• 53:00
  Speaker 1: And we can't get over the daughter's name. She already
• 53:03
  Speaker 1: named the daughter Najya, N-A-J-Y-A, but it's pronounced Najya like
• 53:08
  Speaker 1: I got a stomach bug because I ate the lettuce
• 53:10
  Speaker 1: at Taco Bell. Like, that's literally what she named her kid.
• 53:13
  Speaker 1: I think she's all a social experiment. I mean, this
• 53:15
  Speaker 1: is not a bright person, and we entrusted her with
• 53:18
  Speaker 1: keeping an eye on society, Nicole Hannah-Jones, very strange. Okay, so,
• 53:22
  Speaker 1: but other thoughts that I've had here by reflecting on
• 53:25
  Speaker 1: your analysis, Emma, which I subscribe to as well, it's the,
• 53:30
  Speaker 1: why didn't she check in and notice that the daughter
• 53:32
  Speaker 1: was struggling? Because, you know, for me, we use a
• 53:36
  Speaker 1: public school, and it is a walkable, by the way,
• 53:39
  Speaker 1: that's part of the fun of it, but the, we're
• 53:42
  Speaker 1: walkable to the public school, it's a decent public school,
• 53:44
  Speaker 1: But we had one reading assessment where one of my
• 53:49
  Speaker 1: kids was behind where they were supposed to be. So
• 53:52
  Speaker 1: we spent the next two weeks focusing on learning all
• 53:55
  Speaker 1: the vocabulary words.
• 53:56
  Speaker 3: And then lo and behold, the.
• 53:58
  Speaker 1: Kid was way ahead after that. And so it's one
• 54:00
  Speaker 1: of these things where, didn't she notice that things weren't
• 54:03
  Speaker 1: going well? Or was she too stupid to realize that
• 54:05
  Speaker 1: her daughter was really losing track of any sort of
• 54:08
  Speaker 1: a standard? And then also in the real world, how
• 54:12
  Speaker 1: long I am interested in this, because we know there's
• 54:14
  Speaker 1: a big race grift culture.
• 54:16
  Speaker 3: There are people who can grift off of their race
• 54:18
  Speaker 3: for their entire life.
• 54:19
  Speaker 1: But don't you want, just in case, your kid to
• 54:21
  Speaker 1: have enough skills so that they could actually compete in
• 54:24
  Speaker 1: an objective way? Is it the race script? We all
• 54:27
  Speaker 1: get lucky in certain ways. Some of us are better looking.
• 54:31
  Speaker 1: Maybe we are of the favorite race of the moment
• 54:33
  Speaker 1: now that's brown skin, or maybe we're not the favorite
• 54:36
  Speaker 1: race of the moment, which is white skin. All this,
• 54:39
  Speaker 1: it does factor in. Of course it is. It's a
• 54:41
  Speaker 1: funnier people tend to do better sometimes. Sometimes we're in
• 54:43
  Speaker 1: a less funny mood. So Maybe we don't want jokesters.
• 54:45
  Speaker 1: We want people who are just being super optimized and
• 54:49
  Speaker 1: efficient with their schedule. Things wax and wane. Sometimes you
• 54:52
  Speaker 1: want people who will have a cocktail because they're more
• 54:54
  Speaker 1: fun and social. Sometimes you want people who are more
• 54:57
  Speaker 1: steadfast and fastidious and will never, ever have fun, ever.
• 55:01
  Speaker 1: And this stuff is all trends. But one thing that's
• 55:03
  Speaker 1: not a trend is merit. We all like being around
• 55:05
  Speaker 1: people who are smart and good and accomplished and can
• 55:08
  Speaker 1: stay on task and complete tasks. And Does that ever
• 55:11
  Speaker 1: come up in between pre-K and 16 years old for
• 55:16
  Speaker 1: young Naja? Does it ever come up that maybe we're
• 55:18
  Speaker 1: not doing any of that?
• 55:19
  Speaker 3: We should do a little bit.
• 55:20
  Speaker 4: So she actually addresses that point in the piece and
• 55:23
  Speaker 4: she basically, so at one point Naja is like, cause
• 55:26
  Speaker 4: not the whole point, the whole like arc of the
• 55:29
  Speaker 4: story is Naja trying to go to like a little
• 55:32
  Speaker 4: better of a middle school and then like a better
• 55:34
  Speaker 4: high school, which to her, to her chagrin, has white
• 55:38
  Speaker 4: people at it, which she claims is, like, really devastating
• 55:42
  Speaker 4: for some reason, but, you know, in this journey for Najah,
• 55:47
  Speaker 4: she has to take, like, standardized tests, and Najah, and,
• 55:52
  Speaker 4: you know, at one point in the story, Nicole Hannah-Jones
• 55:55
  Speaker 4: exasperatedly gives up on choosing her daughter's school for her
• 56:00
  Speaker 4: because she just feels like she can't, she can't, uh,
• 56:04
  Speaker 4: make the right choice based on her judgment. So she
• 56:07
  Speaker 4: leaves it to the kid. And the kid decides that
• 56:10
  Speaker 4: she wants to go to like a, like a, like a,
• 56:12
  Speaker 4: you know, a kind of like ranking high school. Like
• 56:14
  Speaker 4: she wants like a better school. So she decides that
• 56:18
  Speaker 4: she's going to like take a standardized test. And Nicole
• 56:23
  Speaker 4: Hannah-Jones discusses how she really resented that decision because, obviously,
• 56:28
  Speaker 4: standardized tests are racist. And, you know, there's a few
• 56:32
  Speaker 4: instances in this story where the daughter wants to engage with, like,
• 56:37
  Speaker 4: academia in, like, the most basic way and, like, has
• 56:41
  Speaker 4: to have her intellect and, like... capacity measured in some
• 56:49
  Speaker 4: way to enter into an institution that like practices academia
• 56:55
  Speaker 4: with like standards and Nicole Hannah-Jones resents it every single
• 56:59
  Speaker 4: time she does but grudgingly allows her to take like tests.
• 57:06
  Speaker 1: So here's exactly so so they want to do the
• 57:08
  Speaker 1: no test thing because they want to have no objective
• 57:10
  Speaker 1: standard because tests aren't everything when it comes to school
• 57:12
  Speaker 1: this was pointed out in the article but here's one
• 57:15
  Speaker 1: thing this is the racist This is the broader point,
• 57:18
  Speaker 1: and this is where there actually is an important lesson here.
• 57:20
  Speaker 1: And I've been thinking about this a lot myself because
• 57:23
  Speaker 1: I'm currently enduring, hopefully in the latter stages of an
• 57:26
  Speaker 1: experiment where I attempt to raise a family in a
• 57:29
  Speaker 1: liberal area of the country. And a lot of these
• 57:32
  Speaker 1: things where I loved being a part of being behind
• 57:35
  Speaker 1: enemy lines and being– Able to observe, you know, inside
• 57:40
  Speaker 1: of Beverly Hills liberal culture from Harvard Westlake School and
• 57:43
  Speaker 1: the heart of the institutional left from Berkeley.
• 57:45
  Speaker 3: And then, you know, living in Washington, D.C.
• 57:49
  Speaker 1: During the Obama years. I mean, these things were all
• 57:52
  Speaker 1: very informative to me, and they definitely sharpened my blade.
• 57:57
  Speaker 1: Figuratively speaking, anyone policing the show, and I felt a
• 58:01
  Speaker 1: little forged by– forged in that way.
• 58:04
  Speaker 3: I think that's very cool. But do I want to
• 58:08
  Speaker 3: subject my four-year-old to that?
• 58:09
  Speaker 1: Do I want to make that choice for my six-year-old
• 58:12
  Speaker 1: that he's got to do that for his whole six
• 58:15
  Speaker 1: to 16, that he's going to be a part of
• 58:17
  Speaker 1: my political and cultural anthropological experiment that I volunteered myself
• 58:25
  Speaker 1: for starting in college?
• 58:27
  Speaker 3: And the answer is probably no.
• 58:28
  Speaker 1: The answer is probably no because I care about them
• 58:31
  Speaker 1: more than I care about my own political proclivities.
• 58:34
  Speaker 3: And that's what's so interesting.
• 58:35
  Speaker 1: And one of these fundamental points about conservatives versus liberals
• 58:40
  Speaker 1: is that we're trying to get off the clock. Not
• 58:43
  Speaker 1: everything to us is politics. We have our faith, we
• 58:45
  Speaker 1: have our career. A lot of us have our church,
• 58:47
  Speaker 1: we have our family members, we have hobbies. And the left,
• 58:50
  Speaker 1: all of that combined does not add up to what
• 58:53
  Speaker 1: is the most politically expeditious. And she thought the move
• 58:57
  Speaker 1: for politics, for political reasons, was to send her kid
• 59:01
  Speaker 1: to a crap school and waste her childhood. And she
• 59:03
  Speaker 1: admits it in the New York Times. And I just,
• 59:06
  Speaker 1: it's almost hard to believe.
• 59:07
  Speaker 4: Well, it's actually like sort of like worse than that,
• 59:10
  Speaker 4: because there is a case to be made that, you know,
• 59:12
  Speaker 4: first of all, you live where you live. And, you know, that's,
• 59:16
  Speaker 4: you know, Breitbart is there and management is there. And
• 59:21
  Speaker 4: it's always been where Breitbart's based. And that's where you live.
• 59:24
  Speaker 4: and that's where your parents live, and that's where we
• 59:25
  Speaker 4: all live, right? Like, you can tell that to your kids,
• 59:27
  Speaker 4: and you have to send them to school where you live, so, presumably. So,
• 59:31
  Speaker 4: you know, you're not necessarily, like, drafting them into your, like,
• 59:36
  Speaker 4: political crusade just because you're sending them to school with, like,
• 59:39
  Speaker 4: liberals because you happen to live in a liberal place.
• 59:44
  Speaker 4: And I wouldn't compare that to what Nicole Hannah-Jones did,
• 59:47
  Speaker 4: and Nicole Hannah-Jones actually, between her narration and her daughter's
• 59:53
  Speaker 4: quotes in the piece, paint a picture that's so much worse,
• 59:57
  Speaker 4: which is it would be more like... I mean, there
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 4: isn't even like a real comparison because she had the
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 4: opportunity to give her daughter a better life. And she
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 4: talks about that explicitly. And her daughter acknowledges that to her,
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 4: where they had enough money to send her daughter to
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 4: like any private school. And she... chose to give her
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 4: daughter a worse life, not because necessarily it even aligned
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 4: with her values per se, but because she wanted to
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 4: use her daughter as a pawn to accomplish a political
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 4: policy and literary goal that she had, and she talks
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 4: about that, you know, we just glazed over it but
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 4: it's like a really important part of the piece where
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 4: she writes that she basically like you know slapped a
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 4: ruby bridges uh name tag on her kid and sent
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 4: her into this school thinking that this was some sort
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 4: of like civil rights crusade that a middle an upper
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 4: middle class person would go to the school and received
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 4: all these accolades for it and all this praise for
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 4: it and uh talked about how she went on like
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 4: a literary tour talking about this And the subject is
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 4: sacrificing her kid to substandard education. It's like this isn't
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 4: the comparison of like living in L.A. It's like, yeah,
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 4: like I live in New York and I guess my
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 4: kids are going to have to probably go to a
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 4: school where they're teaching some stuff that I don't agree with.
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 4: And I'll have to like intervene over dinner, you know, but.
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 4: I'm not like sending my kid to go to school
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 4: in like some third world country so that I can
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 4: like write a series about it on Breitbart. Like that's
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 4: more like what the comparison is. And by the way,
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 4: projects in New York are sort of like that. It's
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 4: like really tough out there. It is really tough. And
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 4: God forbid that's not a racial comment. I'm talking about
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 4: just how hard it is. Those kids are tough.
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 1: Well, and I'm glad that we're clarifying here, because again,
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 1: a lot of people have to live in blue areas
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 1: because of work, because they're a great opportunity.
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 3: We talked about this, if not yesterday, last show, we
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 3: were together, Emma, but recently.
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 1: And I've been in these blue places largely because that's
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 1: where the best opportunities were for me. It wasn't like
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 1: top priority was, this will be politically hilarious if I
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 1: could just observe the laughter mirror.
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 3: It's No.
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 4: You grew up there and then started working here.
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 1: Berkeley was the best school I got into. It made
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 1: sense for my career to move to DC. My wife
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 1: got into medical school in DC. She did her fellowship
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 1: in the LA area. So that's why. That's the main thing.
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 1: And so this is really a step way beyond that,
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 1: which is I'm going to subject my daughter to low-grade
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 1: torture by the failing public school system because she thought
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 1: that just by the nature of the presence of the
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 1: Nicole Hannah-Jones family, just them being present, this would raise
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 1: up the entire school.
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 3: And lo and behold, it didn't. It didn't. And also noteworthy,
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 3: which is just, I should have called.
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 1: For these clips, but I don't know if we'd even
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 1: have the right to use them. But there's multiple photos
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 1: of her daughter looking super grumpy in this.
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 3: And she's a minor.
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 4: I don't blame her. I'd be grumpy.
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 3: It's like she's super grumpy.
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 1: And then we're reminded that they put the same daughter
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 1: on the cover of the New York Times Magazine, one
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 1: of the biggest news magazines in the world, in 2016.
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 1: Because it was an article that spurred nationwide conversation. Though
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 1: I was not a part of that conversation. I forget
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 1: that conversation.
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 4: How'd you miss that?
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 3: I don't know how I missed it.
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 3: I don't know what I was doing in 2016. It
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 3: was a busy time. It was a busy time.
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 4: Oh, you weren't on the Nicole Hannon-Jones conversation?
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 3: No, I wasn't in on it.
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 1: No, I was trying to save the world from Hillary
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 1: Clinton at the time, I think, and the Republican establishment.
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 3: We were a little busy.
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 1: Okay, so did we cover the waterfront here? Do we
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 1: have the lessons learned, digested? Is there anything else, Emma,
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 1: that you want to hit today?
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 4: Well, I just, yeah, I mean... Oh, no, it's telling me. Oh, shit.
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 4: I can't even open my my own article that I
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 4: sent to you on this computer. But yeah, you know,
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 4: I'm sorry for Nicole Hannah-Jones's kid. And I was I'm
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 4: just waiting for the follow up where she like announces
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 4: that she's going to now vote for Trump and that
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 4: all of these soft bigoted policies that have led to
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 4: this that she herself supported and stoked in many cases.
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 4: You know, she takes it all back. I'm missing that leap.
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 4: And I feel like on the one hand, you want
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 4: to get the shot and fraud of like, oh, you know,
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 4: she got what she deserved after all of these years
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 4: of destroying our culture and inflaming race relations and in
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 4: many ways keeping a lot of people down because she
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 4: was talking about the wrong thing and inflaming tensions that
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 4: didn't need to be there that actually marginalized people.
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 4: But, yeah, no, I feel bad. I feel really bad
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 4: for her kid. It's actually really heartbreaking to read as
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 4: a parent, you know, on a more human note. It's
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 4: like I can't imagine sacrificing. Like, I can't imagine not
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 4: waking up every day saying I'm going to give 100%
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 4: to raising my kids the best that I can. And
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 4: she literally woke up knowing that she was jipping her
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 4: daughter and said, I'm going to continue doing this. Unreal.
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and she did it for a decade. A full
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 1: decade before she even acknowledged it. Are they taking her
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 1: out of the school now or are they not? I
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 1: forgot that detail.
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 4: Well, so at the end, like, she ends up going to, like, which, again,
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 4: I'm not the one bringing this up. Nicole Hannah-Jones is,
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 4: but whatever. She ends up going to a better school that's, like,
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 4: more white. And after intensive tutoring, she ends up, like,
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 4: sort of catching up. But the end is kind of
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 4: fraught and sad where it ends on a an emotional
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 4: phone call between her and her kid where she basically
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 4: apologizes for destroying uh most of her childhood.
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 1: Very sad it's just sad just the we're just so
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 1: race obsessed we just don't need to be it's not
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 1: helping anyone i always i'm obsessed with these types of
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 1: questions as and you know this about me emma listening
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 1: to me talk for so long it's just do we
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 1: ever ask how it's going like do we ever check
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 1: in and just say is the race obsession are we
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 1: getting better like the thing's getting better we happier here
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 1: it's the The same thing I ask about, you know,
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 1: we're all addicted to the phones, like we're getting happier,
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 1: are we more fulfilled? Are we really optimizing our lives?
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 1: Are we actually wasting more time on these things? The
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 1: scrolling through reels about how to optimize your life, like
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 1: what is the But.
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 4: What are we doing? It's not only not doing anything,
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 4: it's making it worse. Like, that's why I said marginalizing
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 4: marginalized people.
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 3: Like, by obsessing over race, she.
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 4: Completely glazes over the totally unacceptable fact that she states herself,
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 4: which is that the teachers keep skipping school.
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 3: All right, everyone. Thank you. Thanks, Misty, for putting it together. Thanks, Emma.
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 1: Oh, by the way, Emma is at Emma Jo NYC
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 1: on the Everything app. And if you want her services,
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 1: Beck and Stone is her consultancy.
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 3: Thanks, Emma. See you next time. Thanks, Misty.