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History and Ghost: Lake Lanier · Two Takes, One Marriage

• susan: Welcome back. How you doing, babe? I'm good. We gotta take two. We gotta redo this for you guys. ⁓ last night we recorded a full episode. We found out our audio device was plugged in after she put in the input for so it was using the computer speakers or g the computer microphone and it did not pick up any audio. So you would have just been staring if you watch the YouTube, you would have just been staring at ⁓ and the audio? There would be nothing. You would just be listening to silent. Yeah. And have you. Yep. So Yep. after our intro you would have just been We had a very good episode cooked up for you that we're gonna repeat for you today. So for us it's gonna be we're redoing it, we're rehearing it. For you this will be the first time. So if Jonah doesn't act as like surprised or ⁓ astounded I guess at at the end of the I know what the bitch speakers he's already heard it, so Right, you go first, sir. Well it's a Brave's update. You gotta do it all over again. So it's a bit frustrating watching my team right now. ⁓ our team. But we got the big win this past weekend against Milwaukee. We were at the game Friday night. Mm-hmm. It was fun. Yeah. ⁓ Susan got to see both her teams. Yeah, I always like seeing both my teams. However, I like the Brewers to win at least one game and I'm and I like it to be the one that I go to. Yeah. Because I don't get to see them that often. obviously. So I like to be able to see them win in person. It's fun. We did last year and I got to see them win. but unfortunately this this go around we could have won But then luck was not on our side towards the ending of the innings and so the Braves won. But the Braves kinda did need that win because they'd been on a losing slump a little bit. Yeah, we were on a four game losing streak. Or we on a three game losing streak. We had not yet been on a four-game losing streak, so we won that. Yeah. And then last night we had our first start. to a four game losing streak and we got swept for the first time this year. So now the Dodgers are the only other team that have not been swept in a single series this year. But I don't ever want to see Peco Park again 'cause we've lost our last nine games there. And I I just don't know it's like all the starting pitchers we put up there they s they always have one bad inning and then they just dial in after that. Like, why can't we just stay consistent and stop letting them go up? Because there's only so many throws you can do. I know. No, it it by the time like I know, but l a lot of it's been like the second inning. Yeah. But it was a little I think it's one specific person. It was uncharacteristic for Perez last night. ⁓ I guess he got hit on the leg before I turned the game on because we were recording when the game first started and I didn't see that play. But then after that he started walking a lot of guys and then they eventually got got in. We have got to stop swinging for the fence when we got a guy on third base. Why can't we just get a freaking base hit? All I do is see them hit. We get a even if we got a guy in second base, we got the guy come up after him and he hits it straight to the center fielder. It's like we keep hitting it to the warning track. I I don't even want a home run to see home runs that bad. I want him to start driving people in. We've had bases loaded multiple times in the past like thirteen games and we keep doing nothing with it. Unless Mauricio de Bond's at bat when the bases are loaded. He can clear the bases. But Mass Matt Olson is completely gone ice cold. I mean last night he had a couple hits, but it was never when someone was on base. Austin Riley in the last two, three series has seemed to see the ball a little better. He's not swinging at everything. Drake Baldwin, I don't know what it has to what happened to his eyes, but it's like that oblique strain made him go blind and he's swinging at every ball in the dirt. I think it was because he was such a dominant hitter when he first started the season and he was like he's I think it might have been a little bit of cockiness trying to come back and get that back. Yeah. ⁓ so he's swinging at s anything that he thinks he can hit yeah that's gonna be good and get him back into that streak of like Yeah, he just goes he just gets himself an O two so quick in the ca in the at bats that he is forced to swing at a pitch that's gonna be a ground out. A ground that's gonna be a ground out. I mean like he was getting some good contact last night. He wasn't striking out as much, but Yeah. Well he I mean he was out for what? Two months? He was out for a month. A month. Yeah. And I mean, not to say that it's like easy to forget, but also it he might ⁓ it might take us take a few games. But I mean he's been in a few games. I think he's been in what five? He's won for twenty nine since coming back after hitting that home run. His first about after coming back from his injury. He hit a home run and then since then he has one for twenty nine. Yeah, I again I think it I think it's just he's trying to Yeah to get it 'cause he thinks he can. Yeah. Because he was doing it so often. I hope our offense figures it out. I mean we're gonna have to AA's gonna have to make some deals. There's a lot of talk of us getting scoobable from the Tigers, but you know, the the Bra's never gone for a big play like that. So ⁓ but Ronaldo Lopez is coming out of the bullpen and he's gonna be starting he's gonna be having a start on Friday when we start the Giants. Hopefully we can come back and beat the Giants 'cause they beat us in the series at home ⁓ last week. So hopefully we can take them down now that we're in San San Francisco. So that ⁓ yeah and I think AJ Smith Shaver is starting his first rehab game tomorrow. And then I think we'll probably see Herschel and Waller back within a week. They just want to get him one more rehab start. ⁓ so hopefully that can add some depth to our our rotation. That's been a abysmal ⁓ the past few weeks. And yeah. ⁓ and Joey Bart ⁓ hit a home run last night. And then Canley's like, ⁓ here you can have three more runs. So I I'm just done seeing the Padres and I don't ever want to play in their stadium again. So you will do it next year. I know they're gonna do it next year and they're probably gonna lose more games there. So Are the Padres that good though? ⁓ their offense is really struggling this year. They did they did have a really good bullpen and Yeah. So their offense is just they probably have one of the best closers in the in the game right now. Mason Miller. Mm. Okay. Any other sports you wanna yeah, and I mentioned ⁓ World Cup last night. Susan ⁓ about her passionate hate for soccer. I don't want to hate I'm just messy. And I I'm not always bit that big into soccer. Like some of my friends ⁓ are. But I do have a love for sports and I have a love for my country, so I'm gonna rear on my country in any sport. and the US has had their best start since nineteen thirty in the World Cup. They've won the first two games of the World Cup. So they're moving on to the round of thirty two. Yep, and if they win that w what did they do? ⁓ and then we're most likely gonna play England on the fourth of July in Philadelphia. Potentially. Potentially. That's if that's if both team wins and make it to the designated spot. Yeah. But that's kind of crazy. And it's on the fourth of July. So On the twenty two hundred and fifty fighting for our independence again in soccer. Yeah. I saw I saw a video of a guy saying so. If ⁓ the US wins that means that England has to start calling it soccer. What? 'Cause you know how everywhere else in the world is called football. Yeah. So if England wins. No, if the US wins they gotta start calling it soccer. ⁓ everyone else has to. okay. Okay. All right. I'm I'm fine with that. I don't know. ⁓ we also made a joke about ⁓ last night about American football being called football. Because they should call it pigskin 'cause that's what they started out playing it with in Susan. I was I was big against that. But I just don't know why we didn't give football a different name since soccer was kind of already called football. Especially because like what did we call it before? Like we called it soccer. We called it football just like everybody else. So when picking a new game. ⁓ I'll have to look up in the history about that. Like I just I don't know. I just think that If we would have just picked a different name for football than football, we would still be calling soccer football. Yeah. But like, maybe why maybe handball? Maybe what what's what's a good ⁓ there's a hand there's an actual game of handball. What's that? my One of my uncles is actually a really talented talented handball player. He was like in the junior Olympics when he was a teenager. Yeah, okay, so what is handball? So handball's like kinda like you have s goals like soccer but yes like you can't ⁓ I don't remember all the rules to it. But you can't really run around when you have the ball. You have like a certain amount of steps that you can take to like So it's like it's like freeze Frisbee. It's kinda like frisbee with the ball and and you're trying to score it into a net and there's a goalie. Okay. So got it So then what would you call football instead? I don't know. Like Because soccer being football makes sense. You're you cannot touch it with your hands. Yeah, I know. I I don't honestly don't know. Maybe that's why they call it American football. 'Cause that was the best thing they can come up. Yeah. Or maybe you could call it like blitz or something. Let's go play some Blitz. No. I'm gonna go play in the we're gonna go play some backyard blitz. You guys wanna What is it called? Tag what what's that freeze tag? Freeze tag, yeah. Freeze tag is very similar to football. What? No, no no no no no. No no no no. You know the ⁓ no there's you know the game where you would have to clip the belt flag football? Yeah. But But we called it something else when I was younger, I can't remember. 'Cause you had to f once you got grabbed, you had to freeze. I don't know what you're talking about. Okay. Well that had a football in it though? N no, I don't think so. That's Didn't have a ball at all? I don't think so. There was one person that was it and you had to run around and freeze everyone before No. No, it was something different. ⁓ I don't know, because we did that instead of like there was something that we were objectively trying to get to the other side. But ⁓ like sharks and minnows or bulldog? Maybe. That sounds a little bit more familiar. Maybe. I don't know. Sharks and minnows is something you play in the pool where like one person was it and you try to get to the other side and not get tagged. And if you got tagged you kept adding to the person that was it. So it was the last person standing. You were running and then you yanked their tag and then they froze and then they were out. did the next round. I don't know. Maybe it was just something that they made up a No, I think there are different versions of it. So like you run back and forth into and then if your flag was pulled you'd be out, but the same per it doesn't you don't join the person that's tagging people. That's ripping the flag. No, it's one team versus another team. ⁓ fla ⁓ capture the flag? ⁓ Maybe Like you're trying to capture the flag and then if you get tagged you have to go back to your side or you're in jail and then your team has to come get you out of jail. Yeah, but it had the it had the belt. Yeah. So we wouldn't tackle. Yeah. Yeah. Capture the flag. Yeah, okay. There we go. Maybe that was it. Where did that come from? Well, I just remember teams going at each other and so I was like So football is gonna be called Capture the Touchdown now. That's a big name for a sport like a a sport though. Capture the touchdown. Touchdown capture. Or you could just call it touchdown. Yeah. Touchdown blitz. Touchdown blitz. I don't know. No spike could probably be more like volleyball. Flag, touchdown, touchdown, flag. Something like that. I don't know. No, 'cause flags ⁓ Flags are only in flag football. Okay. Fine, fine, fine. But anyways, we are getting into our actual topic now. Yes. After that tangent. We went on some tangents yesterday too. So Yeah. And we we were talking and we were like we won't do we won't tangent as much, so won't it'll be a shorter entry but turns out not the case. Okay. Today we're talking about one of Georgia's most talked about places, Lake Lanier. It's been called Cursed, Haunted, Dangerous, and Misunderstood. So what actually is Lake Lanier? So I'm gonna give you a history. No history. And the reason that we decided to do this topic was because we're actually talking about it discussing it with family on Father's Day. On Father's Day this past Sunday. Yeah. So I'm gonna give you the history. So Lake Lanier is a man made reservoir in North Georgia. It was created by the construction of Buford Dam on the Chattahoochee River. Construction began in nineteen fifty. The dam was completed in nineteen fifty six by the United States Army Corps of Engineers. As the dam was completed, water began filling the valleys and low lying areas, creating Lake Lanier. The lake officially opened in nineteen fifty seven. The primary purposes were flood control. Hydroelectric power generation, water supply for Metro Atlanta, and navigation and recreation. So there is a bit of a story that people like to say about how there are towns under Lake Lanier. So there were communities that were flooded. they required to but the federal government purchased and condemned thousands of acres of land. So the government did go in there and kinda pay some people to to move. ⁓ how much would you would you take? Well, trying to talk to about this ⁓ They don't know so back then Well, I said I He said originally said that if it was if it was back then so it would have been like about nineteen forties, nineteen forty forty five when they were getting people out. In between the world wars. ⁓ but I would said it would take millions, then I realized, ⁓ wait, this was back like Three quarters of a century away. When a century ago. When you know, a million now could have been only ten thousand then, depending. Yeah. ⁓ I mean we can see how much let's see. How much was one million in or no. Let's do ten thousand. Okay. So you need a couple thousand. You need a couple ten thousands. Ten thousand in nineteen forty is equivalent in purchasing power to about two hundred and thirty seven thousand eight hundred and seventy one dollars today. So If they offered ten thousand. So you would need it would have been worth two hundred thousand today. So if you said you would want millions today, you would probably need fifty thousand back in the nineteen forties. Yeah. That's one point one mil. Excuse me. ⁓ yeah. So that that's That's how much Jonah would would move. I said I would I would move either way. but it also depends 'cause back then you had family homes. Like they were the homes in which, you know, you were maybe born in or passed down were passed down to you. So it would've been a little bit harder back then 'cause we just we don't pass down things as we used to. Yeah. We pass down stories, we pass down pictures and and collective items, but we don't always n Pass down property. Family history like family history historic land then it would take a lot of money for me to move out. More than a thousand. Or more than a million, sorry. Yeah. More than a million. So. Yeah. It's very crazy. But like if we just like bought a house there like since we've been like married and stuff like that. And they asked us to move, then we we would We would take definitely take money. Yeah. I would I would say we'd have to take double what we paid. Yeah. Yeah. That would be That's what I said. Is we take double what we paid. So that way we can get basically the same value of the house and then the rest of it we could put Yeah, so they flooded and created Lake Wanier. Yep. And it's how big? ⁓ it's one of those more than fifty thousand acres of lands were flooded. And hundreds of families were displaced, entire communities, farms, business roads, and bridges disappeared beneath the water. Approximately twenty cemeteries had to be reclo relocated, although some graves reportedly remained in place. And the town. was called Oscarville. It was a thriving black farming community in the early 1900s. Following allegations against black residents in 1912, racial violence and intimidation erupted in Fourth County, Forsythe County. As a result, many black residents were forcibly driven from their homes in the county. This episode is now recognized as a significant example of racial Explosion in Georgia's history. While only portions of the former community were later in went under by Lake Linear, the tragic history has become intertwined with modern forkl. Fork lore about the lake. So there's some ghost stories. Yeah. As of today it covers thirty eight thousand acres. One of the biggest lakes in Georgia. think. Yep. And it has nearly seven hundred miles of shoreline. It serves as a major source of drinking water for millions of America or millions of people in the Atlanta area. Boom. Is one of Georgia's most popular destinations for boating, fishing, swimming and camping. I don't think a lot of people are doing that right now 'cause I think there's an algae problem up there. Well also I could have sworn like There's parts of Lake Linear that you're not allowed to swim in. There could be. I don't know. It just a big lake. It didn't tell me any of that. So I did some houses when I used to do pest control. Sorry, small little tangent. ⁓ some lake houses I got to clean around them. Those things were loaded in spider webs. Anyways. Well yeah. Yeah, they're going to 'cause they're only summer homes. Yep. Well and also they're by water, so more bugs for spiders too. no spiders here. Thank you very much. Alright, are you ready for some ghost stories? Okay. So the first one we have is The Lady of the Lake. This is the most famous Lake Lanier legend. In nineteen fifty-eight, two young women, Delilah May Parker Young and Susie Roberts, disappeared after a night out. Months later, a woman's body was discovered in the lake, but it wasn't identified for years. Local legend says people have seen a woman wandering near the bridge wearing a blue dress, often missing. her hands or appearing distressed. People claim to have seen her walking along bridges near the lake, standing on the shoreline at night, vanishing suddenly when approached. It gave me a different version this time than yesterday. Cause yesterday it said that Susie Roberts she was discovered, but the the car and Delilah were still not found and then they were eventually found. Like they were doing construction s or they were they were digging somewhere. Yeah. And they found the they found the car and the body smirch but yeah no. It ⁓ this one gave me a different one, a little shorter one. So So do you think that ghosts can remain tied to the places where they died? ⁓ I think like possibility. I don't know about haunting, but I think you can feel people's energy probably in certain places. Yeah. Do you think you Do you think that you would ever stop if you saw someone like no walking on the shoreline? No, that would be creepy. That'd be creepy? Yeah. Okay. Okay. Alright. So as we talked about the Oscarville, so People believe that because the community was flooded, some believe that the tragic history contributes to the lake's eerie atmosphere. Visitors have reported hearing unexplained voices, feeling sudden cold spots, experiencing a sense of sadness or heaviness because of the violence the them having to be forced out of their home. 'Cause in nineteen twelve they were forced out of their home. ⁓ just haunted towns. But yeah, like the town underneath, because again, not all of it was demolished, only some of it was. Yeah, and this I really don't I just think it's people trying to. Trying to Arise out of people. Okay. Now this is one that he did not hear yesterday. It was merged in with a different thing. So he did not hear the next two. The first two, yeah, we we talked about those yesterday, but they were longer and then we had two more that were kind of a combination of the next two. ⁓ So this is the Phantom Church Bells. Phantom Church Bells. So when the lake was filled, entire churches and cemeteries were submerged. Some boaters and fishermen claim that on quiet nights they have heard church bells ringing underwater, hymns or singing in the distance. Yeah, this is sounds of people talking when no one is nearby. There is no evidence these sounds are supernatural, but the stories continue to circulate among locals. This is like something you'd see like something like a Scooby Doo episode. Like No, it wouldn't be a Scooby Doo episode. It'd be like On a lake? It would like be a in a town. It would be a supernatural episode. Yeah, but Scooby Doo well I mean I guess they always Scooby Doo was cartoon and they always prove it that it's someone But like this is a legend and so supernatural would be more of the T V show because it's also real life. Like i it's more realistic. Gotcha. Stubious are cartoonish so it has to be more kid friendly. This seems more like a this is something that you would see. It would start off with someone in a boat on the lake hearing Under the water and he's looking into the water and then a ghost pulls him under. And then they would go out and see what it was all about. Yeah. That's that's what I think it sounds like. Make a good episode. ⁓ So number four is the underwater hands. Many swimmers and divers have shared stories of feeling something grab or touch them beneath the surface. Some describe feeling hands pulling at their legs being touched when no one else was nearby and a sudden sensation of being watched underwater. Yeah. And still not buying it. Still not buying it. That would creep me out though. Yeah. If I felt someone wrap their hand around my ankle, ⁓ I'm kicking as soon as possible. Because why not? Sounds like something I'm gonna be doing at the beach. That seems like too many too many potentials. I don't I don't want that. Like mm mm. I've seen way too many crime shows, listened to way too many murder mysteries. Yeah, read too many, like She reads books about serial killers. That's that's when they drag you under. I'll just kick and take my chances. But also, I don't know. It's just scary. Yeah. People be scary. ⁓ Lake Lanier has gained a reputation as one of the one of America's most haunted lakes with the stories of strange occurrences and unexplained experiences shared by the visitors that arrive. So there are still underwater hazards, ⁓ including, you know, trees, structures, roads, debris left from when it was filled. So, you know, you've gotta be careful when swimming and ⁓ you know, you've got people who are on the lake. that are drinking and so there have southern thing. So a lot of people think that the lake is cursed because there have been a lot of deaths at Lake Lanier due to drownings, accidents. So what do you what do you think? Do you think that the the lake is So do you think that well, it could be people from out of state. Yeah. That died. Do you think that they're haunting it? No. No, you don't. I think they have a chance of haunting it more than the people from previous. Because if no one was around when they started filling up the the lake. Yeah. You know, if it was all cleared out, the cemeteries I feel like the city would have been haunted. And because the city wasn't haunted, makes me feel like the cemeteries were fine. Those ghosts I don't think are gonna be haunting you. But I think the ghosts that could potentially like that car accident that happened. The lady went off the road, the lady of the lake. Like that one? People that have accidents like that, I can see them haunting it because you know maybe there was unfinished business or maybe it was actually a murder and you don't know. And it was c it was called accidental. And they didn't they didn't move on to the afterlife or whatever. Yeah. But things should be fudged up. I mean, 'cause you saw all those things that people were blaming COVID deaths on. It was a car accident. They just blame COVID. Yeah, I know. Back in COVID times, so That's what I'm telling you. Things should be telephoned. That's what I'm telling you. Then and they want revenge or they want they want justice for their death. I don't know. So Susan's gonna haunt people when she dies. Why? Are you gonna murder me? No. I said if I'm murdered. Yeah, I guess that would make that would be a reason ⁓ people stay. That's what I said, is if their accident wasn't actually an accident. Yeah. ⁓ what I was saying. Did you think I was talking just in general that they're gonna No, I was just being I don't know. ⁓ Well Yeah, no, I think I think if anything it's the recent deaths that haunt Lake Lanier, if anything. But you won't catch me there. I've never gone. I've never gone to Lake Lanier. It's not a bad lake. I did some camping there when I was little. Did you see anything? I don't remember. remember seeing anything, I was little kid. You don't remember if you heard any ghosts, anyone walking around you in the woods? No. No? Were you on the shoreline or were you I don't remember. Maybe maybe there actually is something. And you just don't remember. think that there is. But Okay. Well. There we go. All right, well that's all we have for today's That's all we have. We talked about some other Georgia history that we might do. yeah. We got confused 'cause No, not like a I was talking about she was talking about one thing and then I thought she was talking about something more recent and then I said the exact same thing that she was talking about. Yeah, 'cause I was talking there back in the Civil War. I was talking about the burning of Atlanta. Like when when this guy Sherman or whatever Sherman something. And so I called him this Sherman guy was burning and so, you know, I've I've always been interested in in that kind of story and and he was like yeah you know there used to be this guy general I was like that's the dude that's the guy Yeah I d all I heard was Sherman guy I didn't realize that she was talking about General Sherman. Yeah. And he like was like let me just burn down Atlanta I think that's interesting 'cause some of the some of the places that ⁓ ⁓ It's it's North Georgia. Like most of North Or Georgia was potentially affected, so there are places here that we can go see that were during that time and I think that's really cool and that might be something that we we do. So but later time. Yeah, well future episodes on it. Do some history Some Georgia history. More Georgia history. Mm-hmm. So All right, well we'll see you next time. Yeah. Have a good week.