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The truth about millionaire pedophile Jeffrey Epstein and the woman who helped him. Part 1 · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: Teen girls. Underage girls were flown by private jet along
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  Speaker 1: with dignitaries, wealthy and powerful men to live out their
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  Speaker 1: sex fantasies with underage girls. The final days of Jeffrey
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  Speaker 1: Epstein culminating and finding him dead in his gel cell.
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  Speaker 1: Now all the victims that he molested basically pimping them
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  Speaker 1: out to other men rich and powerful. Are we going
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  Speaker 1: to stand by and let this sort of crime happen
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  Speaker 1: right under our noses? Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Epstein's
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  Speaker 1: arrest last week has put the spotlight on a private
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  Speaker 1: Caribbean island he owns, one that some have dubbed the
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  Speaker 1: Island of sin Or. Lisa Guerrero traveled to the Virgin
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  Speaker 1: Islands for this look. It's your first look at disgraced
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  Speaker 1: financier Jeffrey Epstein's private island. The only way to get
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  Speaker 1: to the island in the Virgin Islands is by boat
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  Speaker 1: and there it is Jeffrey Epstein's seventy acre retreat, known
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  Speaker 1: as the Little Saint James. And that's not the only
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  Speaker 1: name for a Little Saint James is also known as
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  Speaker 1: Orgy Island Their words not mine, where allegedly teen girls,
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  Speaker 1: underage girls were flown by private jet along with dignitaries,
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  Speaker 1: wealthy and powerful men to live out their sex fantasies
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  Speaker 1: with underage girls. Then in the wake of that, take
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  Speaker 1: a listen to this. Thanks for joining us. We are
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  Speaker 1: coming on the air with breaking news sources telling ABC
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  Speaker 1: News that Jeffrey Epstein has died and apparent suicide overnight
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  Speaker 1: at the Metropolitan Correctional Center in Manhattan. That is according
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  Speaker 1: to three law enforcement sources who gave that information at
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  Speaker 1: ABC News. This is the federal lockup where the multi
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  Speaker 1: millionaire was being held while awaiting trial on federal sex
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  Speaker 1: trafficking charges. You're hearing our friends at ABC. That'switt Johnston
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  Speaker 1: before Deborah Norville. I Meanancy Grace, this is Crime Stories.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you for being with us. What now? Epstein escaped
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  Speaker 1: over and over because he was rich and powerful, basically
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  Speaker 1: using a Florida jail cell as a day camp, allowed
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  Speaker 1: to walk free during the day, go to his law
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  Speaker 1: office where young underage girls were seeing going in and
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  Speaker 1: out like a revolving door. And mysteriously the logs for
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  Speaker 1: those visitors has been and lost again. I'm Nancy Grace,
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  Speaker 1: this is crime Stories. Thank you for being with US
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  Speaker 1: with me an all star panel to figure out what's next.
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  Speaker 1: James Sheldonut with Me twenty seven years Metro Major kse
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  Speaker 1: SWAT officer retired, now lawyer. Bobby Jaco, former special agent FBI,
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  Speaker 1: star of Facebook watch series Curse of Akacre. Professor Forensics,
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  Speaker 1: Jacksonville State University, author of Blood Beneath My Feet on Amazon.
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  Speaker 1: Joseph Scott Morgan renounce psychoanalyst out of Beverly Hills at
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  Speaker 1: doctor Bethany Marshall dot com. Right now to Melissa Cronin,
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  Speaker 1: investigative journalist and co author of Epstein Dead Men Tell
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  Speaker 1: No Tales. You know, it just never ends with this guy,
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  Speaker 1: Melissa Cronin, And why is it when it's voiced publicly
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  Speaker 1: that there's so much evidence he was murdered behind bars?
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  Speaker 1: Why is that pooh pooed? Melissa? I think that there
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  Speaker 1: have been so many outregeous revelations in this case that
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  Speaker 1: really just pushed the bounds of believability. Everything that comes out.
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  Speaker 1: People just can't believe that it's actually true that the guards,
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  Speaker 1: two of them happen to be asleep too, that the
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  Speaker 1: video from that night has been missing or damage. It's
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  Speaker 1: really just every single thing that comes out, it's really
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  Speaker 1: harder and harder to believe the official narrative of what
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  Speaker 1: happened in this case. There's still so much more that
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  Speaker 1: we need to find out. Melissa Cronin journalists co author
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  Speaker 1: Epstein Dead Men Tail No Tails. You can get it
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  Speaker 1: on Amazon. I've already read it. It's bizarre. The facts
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  Speaker 1: are bizarre. Everything about Epstein is so hard to believe,
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  Speaker 1: but it's true, so much of it. How he got
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  Speaker 1: away with years of pedophilia, basically rubbing it in the
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  Speaker 1: noses of law enforcement, flying Clinton and Trump around on
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  Speaker 1: his private jet, meeting with Bill Gates, even print Andrew
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  Speaker 1: pulled into the web. Big question. Melissa Cronin wears his pimp,
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  Speaker 1: Gelan Maxwell, the French aristocrat that lured young women allegedly
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  Speaker 1: to get molested by Epstein. You know, Nancy, that's probably
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  Speaker 1: the most unbelievable thing is why haven't they brought to
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  Speaker 1: women into justice yet? She would be the person that
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  Speaker 1: has the answers that we're looking for, and we haven't
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  Speaker 1: heard a peep from the authorities about what they're actually
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  Speaker 1: doing to find her. Now, my sources that I talked
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  Speaker 1: to for our book Epstein's dead mental motels tell me
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  Speaker 1: that they believe Gallaine is actually living under the protection
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  Speaker 1: of the British Royal Family. That Gallaine knows too much
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  Speaker 1: and it's in the best interests of the higher ups
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  Speaker 1: in England that she not spill which she knows about
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  Speaker 1: Prince Andrew. Melissa, Melissa, you know what, You're an incredible
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  Speaker 1: investigative journalist, but you want me to be leave that
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  Speaker 1: the Queen of England is protecting a pamp. I find
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  Speaker 1: it really hard to believe. But yes, Prince Andrew is
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  Speaker 1: dragged into this whole mess. So I don't get it.
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  Speaker 1: Why would they contravene a criminal investigation by the US,
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  Speaker 1: You know, Nancy, It's just like you said, it's another
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  Speaker 1: of the unbelievable realities of this case and what we've
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  Speaker 1: seen and what we know to be true about the
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  Speaker 1: Queen is way beyond anything that we've ever seen out
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  Speaker 1: of the Royal family before. She's actually fired Prince Andrew
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  Speaker 1: from his job as a member of the Royal Family.
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  Speaker 1: He was kicked out of his palace residence, He's lost
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  Speaker 1: his six figure salary. She's basically sending a message to
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  Speaker 1: the world that this is something way beyond what we
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  Speaker 1: normally would see from the royal family. So even though
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  Speaker 1: it seems outrageous that they might do something like hide
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  Speaker 1: a woman who is the worst camp of young children
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  Speaker 1: that we've ever seen in history, this is totally uncharted
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  Speaker 1: territory and every sense of the word. So, like I said,
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  Speaker 1: we still need to know more. But this is what's
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  Speaker 1: bugging me, Melissa, this is something that's bugging me. I
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  Speaker 1: can't wait to hear what she'll not Chicona Morgan have
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  Speaker 1: to say to doctor Bethany Marshall's just a revictimization of
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  Speaker 1: all these little girls because they're trying to smear the
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  Speaker 1: girl's reputation. But that's what predators do. They pick the
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  Speaker 1: weakest link. I was just saying yesterday, who does the
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  Speaker 1: tiger attack which gazelle? Not the young, strong one that
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  Speaker 1: can run like the wind, the weak one, the pitiful
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  Speaker 1: one that said the edge of the water, the one
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  Speaker 1: that they have most likely a chance of catching. And
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  Speaker 1: that is whe Epstein targeted young girls on the fringe
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  Speaker 1: of society. That's who he right, there's no nice way
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  Speaker 1: to say it. He escaped justice, Doctor Bethany, and now
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  Speaker 1: Gilan Maxwell, his high class pimp is on the run.
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  Speaker 1: Nothing has happened to her. Why you don't, Nancy, You're right.
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  Speaker 1: Think about it. He was worth over four hundred million.
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  Speaker 1: He had women underage girls on his island and in
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  Speaker 1: his private estates around the world. Once they were sequestered
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  Speaker 1: on that island, they could not get off, They couldn't
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  Speaker 1: swim to safety. One girl tried to swim to a
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  Speaker 1: nearby island. So think about it. There was this power
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  Speaker 1: differential where Galaine and Epstein had all the power over them,
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  Speaker 1: and just at the moment where the girls finally might
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  Speaker 1: have power over them, where they might be able to
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  Speaker 1: seek justice, Jeffrey Epstein dies, Glayne disappears. If I they're
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  Speaker 1: supposed to have their day in court, and now it
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  Speaker 1: has been ripped away from them. And you know, one
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  Speaker 1: time trauma is one thing. You know. I sometimes see
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  Speaker 1: patients in my office who have been victimized once, but
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  Speaker 1: when they are revictimized again and again, especially by the
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  Speaker 1: court system, we call it cumulative trauma. So now these
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  Speaker 1: girls are victims of cumulative trauma as they watch the
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  Speaker 1: saga unfold and potentially their perpetrator never ever ever brought
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  Speaker 1: to justice. So to you. Melissa Cronin, co author of
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  Speaker 1: Epstein Dead Men, Tell No Tels on Amazon. What was
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  Speaker 1: Guillen Maxwell's part and Jeffrey Epstein raping so many little
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  Speaker 1: girls because girls underage cannot consent to sex, okay, so
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  Speaker 1: there is no such thing as consensual sex with a minor?
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  Speaker 1: What was Guillan Maxwell's part? And I've had to look
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  Speaker 1: that up every time I report to make sure her
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  Speaker 1: name is pronounced Guillen, because it seems to me it
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  Speaker 1: should be Jilaine because it's French. It's not scaling, Melissa,
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  Speaker 1: what was her part in all of this? There are
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  Speaker 1: reports she would even troll central part, trying to basically
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  Speaker 1: lure real in draft underaged girls for Epstein to rape Nancy.
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  Speaker 1: You know, Epstein was an evil monster, but Galen might
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  Speaker 1: have been even worse. Her role with Epstein was, like
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  Speaker 1: you said, to prey upon these most vulnerable team girls,
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  Speaker 1: and she was brought into the mix basically so they
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  Speaker 1: would lower their guards. It was a lot easier for
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  Speaker 1: this beautiful, cosmopolitan, friendly, charming woman to approach these teen
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  Speaker 1: girls and kind of trying to make them her friend
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  Speaker 1: and prey upon their aspirations and desires to have a
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  Speaker 1: better life and kind of say you could be like
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  Speaker 1: me if you come into my world. She was a
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  Speaker 1: lot more appealing than say, you know, this middle aged
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  Speaker 1: man approaching them at them all. So she really tricked
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  Speaker 1: these girls and brought them into a web of evil
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  Speaker 1: that they had no idea that they were even approaching.
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  Speaker 1: Beyond that, we also know that she actually trained these
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  Speaker 1: teams to be sex slaves for Epstein, teaching them, you know,
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  Speaker 1: acts that were way beyond anything that they should be
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  Speaker 1: doing as sixteen year olds, and really training them to
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  Speaker 1: be the sex slaves that Epstein wanted, just ruining their
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  Speaker 1: lives from the very moment that she came into contact
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  Speaker 1: with them. Time stories with Nancy Grace in The New
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  Speaker 1: York Times, setting light of Jeffrey Emsky highs to Wall
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  Speaker 1: Street power players, including some of the industry's biggest names.
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  Speaker 1: Joining us now is Kate Kelly, one of the journalists
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  Speaker 1: behind this story. Kate, welcome, this has become as salacious
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  Speaker 1: and fascinating as opening up a madam's black book. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: don't you think, I mean everybody wants to see who
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  Speaker 1: is connected to Jeffrey Epstein. Yes, you're absolutely right, Melissa
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  Speaker 1: and We have spent some time, as have many reporters,
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  Speaker 1: I'm sure looking through the infamous Epstein Black Book, which
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  Speaker 1: does exist, surfaced around twenty fifteen, and a lot of
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  Speaker 1: notable Wall Street players are in there. But our story
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  Speaker 1: today focuses on just a handful that seemed to have
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  Speaker 1: had serious client or business ties to him. Perhaps the
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  Speaker 1: most interesting, Leon Black, the co founder of Apollo Management
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  Speaker 1: and CEO. Now he entrusted Jeffrey Epstein with some tax
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  Speaker 1: and estate planning for himself over a course on and
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  Speaker 1: off of about fifteen years or so. He also had
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  Speaker 1: for a time Jeffrey Epstein on his family foundation board,
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  Speaker 1: starting in about two thousand and going up through the
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  Speaker 1: late auts. That's just one of many many names found
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  Speaker 1: in Jeffrey Epstein's Little Black Book. It wasn't so little
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  Speaker 1: names of the rich and powerful. Apparently, between the two
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  Speaker 1: of them, Prince Andrew of Great Britain and Epstein shared
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  Speaker 1: about fourteen to fifteen cell phone numbers, numbers where they
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  Speaker 1: could always reach each other. Okay, I don't even have
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  Speaker 1: that many numbers. Joseph Scott Morgan, you're the professor of forensics,
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  Speaker 1: the author of Blood Beneath My Feet I don't need
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  Speaker 1: a forensics expert, sorry Joe Scott, to tell me there's
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  Speaker 1: something a way wrong with that. When these guys have
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  Speaker 1: about fourteen numbers between them for each other, why I
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  Speaker 1: don't even have that many numbers for my husband. I
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  Speaker 1: think that probably the Russian It's just like any other
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  Speaker 1: kind of criminal enterprise, and that's what you can identified
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  Speaker 1: as Nancy. You have, you know, these organized crime people
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  Speaker 1: that will have multiple phones because it makes it more
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  Speaker 1: difficult for authorities to track them. Trust me, they knew
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  Speaker 1: what they were engaged in, they knew the steps they
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  Speaker 1: had to take to kind of insulate themselves, and so
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  Speaker 1: they're going to use multiple contact numbers in order to
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  Speaker 1: keep anybody that might that might get a whiff of
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  Speaker 1: this off of the scent so that they can traffic
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  Speaker 1: in these girls. I'm going to circle back to his
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  Speaker 1: death behind bars, Epstein's death behind bars, But in the
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  Speaker 1: last hours we learned that his pimp, his aristocratic French
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  Speaker 1: Madam Zille, and Maxwell's private emails have been hacked. And
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  Speaker 1: that's because about two thousand secret documents have been released,
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  Speaker 1: documents related to the Jeffrey Epstein investigation, and somehow because
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  Speaker 1: of that release, there was information in there that allowed
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  Speaker 1: hackers to get into gieland Maxwell's private emails. Okay, that's
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  Speaker 1: a huge, big deal, Melissa Corona, what does that mean?
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  Speaker 1: This could be the thing that cracks opened the case.
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  Speaker 1: We've already seen some of the Lane's communications with Jeffrey
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  Speaker 1: Epstein's in her circle. In the different phone messages that
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  Speaker 1: were revealed through the Florida case. He showed her and
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  Speaker 1: Epstein having phone calls with the highest levels of the
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  Speaker 1: rich and famous around the world. So now that her
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  Speaker 1: emails have been hacked, they're out there somewhere, probably on
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  Speaker 1: the dark web, and everyone is going to be trying
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  Speaker 1: to find them to figure out who exactly she was
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  Speaker 1: in contact too before and after his death. So that
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  Speaker 1: includes the authorities, but it could also be a journalist
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  Speaker 1: like hopefully me that finds out where she is and
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  Speaker 1: who else is helping her stay hidden. Guys, we are
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  Speaker 1: also getting reports that Christina Oxenberg, a cousin to British
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  Speaker 1: royal family and sister Catherine Oxenburg, recalled a very unusual
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  Speaker 1: encounter with Guillen Maxwell where she Oxenburg was invited to
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  Speaker 1: a ladies tea party at Gillan Maxwell's home, and when
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  Speaker 1: she gets there, Guillen is dressed in only her underwear
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  Speaker 1: and brought and fanning herself with a copy of Vogue magazine.
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  Speaker 1: You know, I'm in a studio right now with Jackie Howard,
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  Speaker 1: and it's all we can do to feed all the pets,
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  Speaker 1: the children, the husband, the grandma, the this, the that,
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  Speaker 1: to work all day and figure out what happens by
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  Speaker 1: the time you're done with all that. And here are
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  Speaker 1: these ladies sitting around in their underwear. Well, it's Gielan
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  Speaker 1: Maxwell fanning herself with a copy of Vogue. First of all,
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  Speaker 1: what do you have to shell out for a copy
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  Speaker 1: of Vogue? Now? Like seven to fifty or ten dollars? Okay,
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  Speaker 1: enjoy that, Gillan Maxwell while you're on the run. Not
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  Speaker 1: only that, Gillan Maxwell's whining on the phone, asking Oxenbourg
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  Speaker 1: to tea and whining, I'm poor, poor, inviting her to
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  Speaker 1: come to her new home. Now Oxenbourg shows up expecting,
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  Speaker 1: you know, something not so great. But it was a
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  Speaker 1: huge condo on seventy ninth Street, Gillan presiding over the
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  Speaker 1: tea with a lacy braun underwear set and lots of
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  Speaker 1: jewelry so much that it jangled when she moved. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: I'll just keep that in my head when I imagine
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  Speaker 1: her chomping through Central Park trying to get fourteen fifteen
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  Speaker 1: year old girls so Epstein could rape them. Two Bobby
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  Speaker 1: Chico and former FBI star on Facebook watch series Course
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  Speaker 1: of Acacord. What does it mean to you that her
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  Speaker 1: Gilla Maxwell's emails private emails have been hacked? Well, it
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  Speaker 1: shows me that there are people out there with the
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  Speaker 1: means to do such hacking that probably want to have
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  Speaker 1: a look at those emails and probably don't want them
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  Speaker 1: falling in the hands of the authorities. I would I
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  Speaker 1: would think that, you know, I would hope that the
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  Speaker 1: authorities got to them first and that the hacking is
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  Speaker 1: the type of hacking that doesn't isn't able to destroy
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  Speaker 1: those emails. But it shows me that they are rich
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  Speaker 1: and powerful people that are going after Maxwell in any
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  Speaker 1: way they can. So you might it might be the
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  Speaker 1: situation where you have one group hiding her and another
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  Speaker 1: group like trying to find out where she is so
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  Speaker 1: she can't do any damage to them. And so this
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  Speaker 1: hacking is not random. It's not some person looking for you.
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  Speaker 1: Know ransom or any kind of reward. It to me,
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  Speaker 1: it's it's some of those rich and powerful people that
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  Speaker 1: could be hurt by whatever is in those emails that
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  Speaker 1: are probably behind the hacking, and with the intention of
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  Speaker 1: not having those emails leaked out. Right now, I am
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  Speaker 1: very disturbed that everybody's screaming about Epstein's victims not being
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  Speaker 1: able to face Epstein in court because he gets killed
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  Speaker 1: behind bars. What about Gail and Maxwell? What are we
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  Speaker 1: doing about his pimp, his aristocratic French pimp that recruited
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  Speaker 1: these girls to be raped by Epstein? According to them.
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  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Olivia, who was one of
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  Speaker 1: nine accusers and a new lawsuit filed against the estate
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  Speaker 1: of Epstein, says that she had first met the Disgrace
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  Speaker 1: financier after she moved to New York to follow her aspirations. Lily,
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  Speaker 1: who also asked that her true identity be concealed, says
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  Speaker 1: she was also abused by Epstein when she was just nineteen,
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  Speaker 1: and even though he took his own life and his gone,
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  Speaker 1: she still doesn't feel safe. When we spoke to Olivia
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  Speaker 1: and Lily, they did not hint at other men or
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  Speaker 1: other powerful men but they did hint at the women
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  Speaker 1: and other people who enabled Jeffrey Epstein in his circle
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  Speaker 1: to allow him to do this type, these types of
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  Speaker 1: crimes he's alleged crimes. Specifically, the fact that there was
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  Speaker 1: the secretary and the other employees who were women who
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  Speaker 1: really told made these women trust, these girls trust that
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  Speaker 1: they were going into us safe hands when it came
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  Speaker 1: to Epstein. So I think they weren't willing to give
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  Speaker 1: names because I think that there is criminal litigation that
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  Speaker 1: could perhaps happen in the future. You are listening to
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  Speaker 1: our friends at Fox, what about Gaila Maxwell? What are
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  Speaker 1: we doing about his pimp? He has aristocratic French pimp
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  Speaker 1: that recruited these girls to be raped by Epstein, according
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  Speaker 1: to them, right now to James shell Nutt, twenty seven
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  Speaker 1: years Metro major case now lawyer we know and Maxwell's
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  Speaker 1: lawyers appear in New York court to fight against quote
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  Speaker 1: damning records being unsealed. With Maxwell in hiding being protected
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  Speaker 1: reportedly by a number of her highbrow friends, she still
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  Speaker 1: retains a fleet of high paid lawyers doing her bidding.
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  Speaker 1: In court, they fought not to allow all of these
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  Speaker 1: documents to be released, but they were she's apparently lawyering
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  Speaker 1: up for a fight that's still yet to come. What
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  Speaker 1: do you think, what are the possible charges that will
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  Speaker 1: be filed against Epstein's pimp? Well, I think, first of all,
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  Speaker 1: I mean you've got a human trafficking case. I mean
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  Speaker 1: that certainly is one of those things there's no telling what.
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  Speaker 1: You start scratching the surface and FBI continues to investigate,
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  Speaker 1: you can have all types of other charges of conspiracy,
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  Speaker 1: all types of enterprise charges, and many other far reaching
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  Speaker 1: types of things such as extortion, and there's just no
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  Speaker 1: telling what you're gonna find. This has going on for years.
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  Speaker 1: There are a lot of people involved. There is a
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  Speaker 1: lot at stake. This isn't just the normal type of case.
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  Speaker 1: As bad as it may be for someone to prostitute
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  Speaker 1: someone out on the streets of Las Vegas or New
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  Speaker 1: York is. This has a worldwide implication with some of
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  Speaker 1: the most powerful, rich people in the world, and there's
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: going to be a lot more to it once the
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  Speaker 1: FBI gets to the bottom of it, if they ever do,
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: and if they don't, I can tell you who will,
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: private lawyers. It's not just up to the Feds, who
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: never did a darned thing about Epstein. Sigrid McAuley. That's
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: a lawyer for one of the alleged Epstein victims who
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: says that Gillan Maxwell recruited young girls to get raped.
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: Other Epstein accusers, including Annie Farmer, say that Maxwell, Guillan
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: Maxwell is in hiding in quote plain sight. That just
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  Speaker 1: screams New York to me. Now, this lawyer has been
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: trying to serve Guillan maxwell Inner lawyers with a complaint,
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: a civil complaint. The lawyers refuse to respond or accept
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: service of these legal papers, and they can't find gil
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: and Maxwell. Now her lawyers know where to find her,
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: and for five years, her lawyers have been working to
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: conceal her role as Epstein's pimp. And they complete the complaint.
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  Speaker 1: Devastation they brought on the lives of all of these
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  Speaker 1: young girls and women. So, doctor Bethany, we're sending the
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: girls who are looking for justice a message that, oh,
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: we can't find gil and Maxwell, but her lawyers know
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: where she is. So once again, these girls are being
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: victimized by rich and powerful men. Right. It reminds me
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: of something called institutional sociopathy. It's when one person who
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: lacks the conscience joins up with another person who lacks
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: the conscience, and it joins up with another person who
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: lacks the conscience, and pretty much they began to form
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  Speaker 1: some kind of a vast web where they act in concert,
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: men and women together. We saw this in the Michael
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  Speaker 1: Jackson case. The maid didn't say anything, the guard who
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: saw him with little kids didn't say anything. Everybody looked
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: the other way or participated in some way. And so
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: what these girls are going to feel is that not
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: only can they not trust men like Jeffrey Epstein, but
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: they cannot trust society because society at large is colluding
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: with all this bad, perverted behavior. Listen the theories that
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: are out there. One of them is that it was
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: another inmate who may have killed Jeffrey Epstein. Come on,
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: you don't believe that he was found hanging in his cell.
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: He had tried to commitite suicide before that. He was
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: a very wealthy man who was looking in a lifetime
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  Speaker 1: in prison. You know, sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.
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  Speaker 1: So Epstein's taken off suicide Watch the day before he
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: kills himself. His roommate is removed from the cell. The
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: cameras on his tier are not working, the guards fell asleep.
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  Speaker 1: It seems almost impossible to think all of those things
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  Speaker 1: could happen in that way. It does, and that's what
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  Speaker 1: makes this so shocking. I mean, this is a failure
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  Speaker 1: on multiple levels. Do you think there's any way that
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: Jeffrey Epstein could have been murdered? Absolutely, unequivocally not. Okay,
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: he says, tomato, I say, tomato, that's sixty minutes inside
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: Jeffrey Epstein's sell you're hearing Sharon ol Faunsey. But to
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  Speaker 1: Joseph Scott Morgan, Professor forensics, Jacksonville State University, author of
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: Blood Beneath My Feet on Amazon, you have sent me
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  Speaker 1: a series of photos and theories, not just wild theories,
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: but theories based on what you are seeing in his
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  Speaker 1: jail cell. And I've been around the block more times
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  Speaker 1: than I can count. I've been in more jails and
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  Speaker 1: even remember, and I can tell you the condition of
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  Speaker 1: his jail cell at the time of his death was
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  Speaker 1: highly irregular in many many ways. Now, let's just start
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: with what you observed before we get into his autopsy.
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  Speaker 1: What you observed that was so wrong with his jail cell. Now,
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: keeping in mind, hold on j Scott Melissa Cronin that
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: he had had another a first suicide attempt. Let's just
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: say about a week before this suicide attempt, where he
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: had been allegedly depressed. He blamed that as an attack
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  Speaker 1: by another inmate, and that was pooh pooed. Ebstein himself said,
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: another inmate did it? Okay, le just don't forget that.
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  Speaker 1: But then amazingly the video from that incident missing. Nobody
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: has that, and he's taken off suicide watch, his roommate
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: is taken out of the sale. In the hours leading
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: up to his second and successful alleged suicide attempt, None
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  Speaker 1: of that makes sense to me, Melissa Cronin, Nancy, like
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: you said, every single aspect of his first suicide attempt
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: and his eventual death just defies belief. There were lapses
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: in judgment and lapses in protocol every step of the
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  Speaker 1: way for almost two weeks up until the moment when
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: he died. So his first suicide attempt, we actually broke
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: the story of that on Radar Online on July twenty third.
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  Speaker 1: Like you said, he claimed that that had been an
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: attack by his roommate, a man named Nicholas CARTALLIONI as
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: you said, shockingly, the video from that night does not exist. Now,
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: First the authority said, oh, actually we did find it.
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  Speaker 1: Nobody saw it, and they came out later and said,
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: you know, oh it's actually been corrupted. We can't see
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: what was shown on that. And we talked to another
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  Speaker 1: inmate that actually was a witness to that suicide attempt
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  Speaker 1: on July twenty third, and they said that it did
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: not sound like an attack from his roommate. That actually
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: Epstein's roommate was his closest friend in the prison, that
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: he was kind of looking out for him and this
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: man he was charged with killing four people, but he
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: also insists that he was the one that yelled for
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: the guards to come and actually save Epstein's life during
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: that first attempt Time Stories with Nancy Grace. The government
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: says Epstein was suicidal and made his first failed suicide
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  Speaker 1: attempt weeks after he arrived. According to court documents, on
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: July twenty third, a guard found Epstein on the floor
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  Speaker 1: of his cell with the strip of bedsheet around his neck.
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: Epstein claimed his cellmate, Nick tartag Leone attacked him. Epstein
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: says that Nick tried to kill him. Nick says absolutely
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: nothing like that happened. Oh it's not just Nick says,
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: absolutely nothing happened. Absolutely nothing happened. No one says that
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: Nick tried to kill Epstein. Epstein was moved to the
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: psych unit and policed on suicide watch, but one week later, Epstein,
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: at the direction of the MCC's psychological staff, was taken
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: off suicide watch and required to have an assigned cellmate.
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: You are listening to CBS sixty minutes about the first
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: suicide attempt. So what we believe, even though Epstein said
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: he was attacked, is that it was in fact a
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: suicide attempt. The NBC four at the Metropolitan Correctional Center,
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: prison officers now keeping a closer eye on Jeffrey Epstein,
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: the financier and accused child sex trafficker, injured earlier this
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: week with apparent marks to his neck, lying nearly semi
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: unconscious in a fetal position in a secure cell block area.
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: Investigators have three theories. One he tried to commit suicide,
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: two he staged the incident to try to get a transfer,
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: or three that he was attacked by an inmate in
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: his unit. Accused killer Nicholas Tartaglione is housed in the
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: same unit as Epstein. His lawyer says Tartaglione was initially
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: questioned only as a possible witness and is not a suspect.
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: Nick had nothing to do with harming anybody in any facility,
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: including mister Epstein, our friends at NBC four. So was
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: it all staged to get to a better part of
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: the jail and that would be the psych unit? I
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: mean doctor Bethany marsh or psychoanist out of Beverly Hills,
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: doctor Bethany. Everybody in jail wants to go to the
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: mad unit. Everybody. It's better conditions, better food, better treatment,
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: better beds, better everything. Was it staged? What do you think? Well?
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: I don't think so. Because you have a man who's
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: used to living on a huge island, big staff, gourmet food, marble, foyer,
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: frotation sheets. Do you think a man like that is
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: going to try to stage getting to another part of
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: the prison by putting a ligature around his neck. That
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: seems highly unlikely. It seems like he would do it
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: if he really wanted. Well wait a minute, wait a minute,
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: are you familiar Are you familiar with the shoe? Are
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: you familiar with this facility? Listen to CBS sixty minutes.
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: MCC is the worst jail of prison I've ever been to,
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: by far. It's not a club fed, it's not a
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: club anything. It is dirty. It's insect infested, rodent infested.
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: It was built for about three hundred and fifty and
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: in houses over seven hundred, so the inmates are packed in.
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: Bruce Barquette is the lawyer for Epstein's first cellmate, fifty
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: two year old Nick tartag Leone, a brawny former police
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  Speaker 1: officer accused of murdering four men. They shared a cell
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  Speaker 1: in the Shoe, the special housing unit, which is considered
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: safer than general population. Jail's a tough place. The rules
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: don't exist the way they do in society. Somebody like
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: Jeffrey Epstein, an elderly rich why mail, is going to
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: have a tough time in general population. Epstein was directing
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: money to be deposited in other inmates commissary accounts in
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: exchange for his protection. Sources say because he feared for
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: his life. So if it was a suicide attempt, why
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: was he taken off suicide watch Listen to this. Lawyers
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: say the day before Epstein was found dead, he was
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: upbeat and looking forward to an appeal hearing on his bail.
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  Speaker 1: That same day, his cellmate was released and no new
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: cellmate was assigned, even though he was required to have one.
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: Michael Thomas and Toba Nuel are the two guards who
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: were working the overnight shift on the Shoe. Court documents
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: say Epstein was escorted into his cell by Toba Nuel
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: at approximately seven to forty nine pm. Then the guards
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: didn't check in on him again until shortly after six
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  Speaker 1: thirty am the next morning. So in the Shoe they
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: should be checked in on every thirty minute. They should
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: be checked on every thirty minutes. It's my understanding based
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: on the documents, and I examined. The two officers that
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: were working in the special housing unit allegedly falsified the
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: records and did not do any rounds for approximately eight hours.
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: How big of a deal is that. That's a huge,
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: huge deal. This is one of the most basic operational
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: aspects of managing a jail or prison. So to you,
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: Melissa Krona, and you're hearing our friends at sixty minutes,
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: Krona and co author Epstein dead men tell no tels.
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: It's hard to believe that so many coincidences occurred to
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: create a perfect storm. The not one guard, but two
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: guards decided to take a nap and shop online. Both
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: of them didn't do a single round, not one for
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: their whole shift several hours, eight hours at least. The
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: video recorder just happened not to be working and or
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: they preserved the wrong video the hours before the suicide.
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: The actual death of Epstein his cellmate is removed, even
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: though after a suicide, you're supposed to have a seal,
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: a suicie attempt, you're supposed of a cellmate being one
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: thing after the next. And Joska Morgan, did you see
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: all the things in his cell that shouldn't be there? Yeah?
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: I did, Nancy, And just kind of an overall view
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: and kind of clarification this image that these images that
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: I've seen were provided, you know, from the sixteen minutes
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: special that was that was done, and I was shocked,
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: I have to admit, you know, uh, in correctional facilities,
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: prison facilities, it is paramount that that prisoners commonly keep
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: their cell in an ordered fashion because you know, chaos
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: and er it's like a child, you know, chaos in
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: a room leads to chaos in the mind. It makes
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: it very difficult to control people. When you look at
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: the interior of his cell, Nancy, and people can see
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: this online, it's squalid. You know, You've got you've got
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: piles of cloth laying everywhere, it's all orange cloth, mattress
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: laying on the floor, and it's it's dirty. You can
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: actually see stains on the floor. So yeah, I agree
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: with what the gentleman said in the interview about it
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: having potentially having bugs and lord only knows what else.
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: But one of the things that's really troubling about this
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: whole thing, two major things. This guy's on has recently
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: been on suicide Watch. Okay, but yet when I take
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: a look at these these images, it's observable you can
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: actually see what appears to be a hose laying on
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: the floor that might be an inch and a half
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: in diameter, it's kind of lengthy. And you can see
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: an electrical court that's laying on the floor. Now, these
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: are something that can be used to facilitate as a
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: ligature for hanging or for any other purpose that you
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: might want to do. This nefarious And another piece to this,
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: when you take a look at his top bump. There's two.
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: It's a two bump structure. The top bunk, the mattress
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: is missing off of it. And this guy has gotten
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: medications up there. He's allowed to keep his own medications
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: in the cell. It's it's striking, you know when you
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: consider about you know, you consider a lot of the
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: correction desk that I've worked. If a patient, if a
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: prisoner slash patient is on meds, those have to be
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: distributed by the infirmary. The nurse will come by along
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: with a guard and they'll give you your daily meds.
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: This guy had a slew of medications up there. So
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: this whole thing is very, very troubling when you take
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: a look at it in the context that he had
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: allegedly previously attempted to kill himself. Tune in tomorrow for
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: part two of our investigation into the last days of
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: Jeffrey Epstein tomorrow on Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Nancy
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: Grace Crime Stories signing off Goodbye Friend.