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154. Irma Grese - The Hyena of Auschwitz · Who Did What Now With Katie Charlwood

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Speaker 1: Hello, delicious friends, and welcome to hoo did What Now?
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Speaker 1: The history podcast That's not your History Class? With me,
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Speaker 1: your host Katie Charlwood, History Harlott and reader of books.
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Speaker 1: Did you miss me? They do you miss me? Darling's
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Speaker 1: They don't even notice I was not here. Yeah, I'm sorry.
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Speaker 1: I took a week off and didn't tell anybody I
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Speaker 1: was doing that. I just did it. I just needed
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Speaker 1: some breathing room, I think, because I've been doing this
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Speaker 1: whole series about concentration camps and currently specifically the Holocaust
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Speaker 1: over on like social media, and there's a lot of
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Speaker 1: information that people just don't know. They just don't have it.
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Speaker 1: It's not freely available to them, and there are barriers
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Speaker 1: to education. And then within the education system itself, there's
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Speaker 1: like it's bare bones, it's basic, you know, and you know,
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Speaker 1: you don't get the whole picture. And I'm all about
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Speaker 1: providing context in the whole picture, which has got me
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Speaker 1: in trouble so many times. But that's neither here nor there.
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Speaker 1: And so this series all started off because somebody complained
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Speaker 1: that you can't compare Alligator Alcatraz to a concentration camp
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Speaker 1: because they weren't exterminating people. And the thing is a
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Speaker 1: concentration camp system. It was a system with different like layers,
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Speaker 1: and I'll cover it at some point, but like, they've
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Speaker 1: just got all these different things going on in different
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Speaker 1: categories because you had transit camps, extermination camps, labor camps,
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Speaker 1: et cetera, et cetera. Right, there's loads, there's loads stuff
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Speaker 1: going on. So I was like, no, I need to
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Speaker 1: correct this. And then somebody asked a question. I was like, okay,
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Speaker 1: well I'll answer this, and then it just became a series.
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Speaker 1: And so that's that's been a thing. And so I've
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Speaker 1: decided that I'm just going to do it in August.
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Speaker 1: August is going to be I'm just going to do
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Speaker 1: this month. If you're listening at time of record or
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Speaker 1: or day of release or week of release, even I
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Speaker 1: don't know. And so I'm just going to do a month.
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Speaker 1: It's gonna be all Holocaust stuff. It's gonna be all
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Speaker 1: concentration camp related or camp related, and then I'm gonna
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Speaker 1: be done. I think for a while, I think I'm
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Speaker 1: gonna pick up on I think interment camps later on
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Speaker 1: and things like that, and the origin of camps and
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Speaker 1: the difference between like camps, prisons, reservations, et cetera, et cetera,
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Speaker 1: and like go through the whole whole thing, because this
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Speaker 1: is information people don't know golags. I'll talk about goolags
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Speaker 1: like I'll go I'll go to the whole thing because
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Speaker 1: I've got a really really interesting thing I've wanted to
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Speaker 1: talk about about Russia for a really long time, Like
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Speaker 1: it's been on my original list, and I'm gonna do it.
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Speaker 1: So this month is gonna be dark. Like remember when
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Speaker 1: I did that October season and everything was just horrible
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Speaker 1: horrible history. Yeah, yeah, this is gonna be like that.
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Speaker 1: So I'm just doing a blanket trigger warning for all
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Speaker 1: of these episodes, I think because this week's episode is
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Speaker 1: mcgless and she is awful, horrible, terrible person, terrible things.
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Speaker 1: I don't think I could list all of the content
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Speaker 1: and trigger warnings because it's just if you're upset by
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Speaker 1: anything anything at all related to women, abusive power, babies, children,
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Speaker 1: violent abuse, physical abuse, sorry, mental abuse, basically murder, anything
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Speaker 1: along those lines, anything at all, You're not gonna want
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Speaker 1: to listen to this episode because I am talking about
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Speaker 1: the Hyena of Auschwitz and It's not going to be
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Speaker 1: a pleasant, pleasant story. But I know what you're thinking.
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Speaker 1: You're thinking, Kerriie, quit your gibber jabber in fact me,
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Speaker 1: In fact you I will. But first we've got to
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Speaker 1: get our sores on. Our sources are Remembering Ravensbrook. Holocaust
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Speaker 1: to Healing by Natalie hess The Camp Women, the female
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Speaker 1: auxiliaries who assisted the Essays in running the concentration camp
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Speaker 1: system by Daniel Patrick Brown. Black Earth the Holocaust as
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Speaker 1: History and Warning by Timothy Snyder. Female Nazi concentration camp guards.
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Speaker 1: The true horror lies in their similarities to ourselves. But
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Speaker 1: Anger at Hampshire. Beautiful Monsters by Felicia Morris. This Kind
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Speaker 1: of Love Descriptions of lesbian behavior and Nazi concentration camps
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Speaker 1: by Claudia Shopman. The Beltian Trial by the United Nations
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Speaker 1: War Crimes Commission. I Was a Doctored Auschwitz by Josella Peerl.
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Speaker 1: Five Chimneys by Oura Lngiel. The Beautiful Beast, The Life
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Speaker 1: and Crimes of ess off seherin Irma Gresse by Daniel
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Speaker 1: Patrick Brown. We had our old favorites History dot com,
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Speaker 1: Biography dot Com and also Medical Review Auschwitz. So this
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Speaker 1: is an eLibrary. It has English translations and also in Polish.
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Speaker 1: And it's regarding like medical ethics and practice, you know,
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Speaker 1: within Auschwitz during the Second World War. It's very detailed
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Speaker 1: and it has so much information. It's very horrowing. But
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Speaker 1: if you want to do more research, I would definitely
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Speaker 1: start there. I found that incredibly insightful. I also have
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Speaker 1: the Holocaust Encyclopedia, Jewish gen and of course History dot com,
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Speaker 1: Smithsonian dot com, Biography dot Com. I use it incomfortably good.
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Speaker 1: Then it's begin Irma Gresia, the Hyaena of Auschwitz. I
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Speaker 1: feel like I should preclude this as well, with the
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Speaker 1: fact that I may not pronounce things the way you
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Speaker 1: want me to pronounce them. I am doing my best.
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Speaker 1: I don't speak German and I have practiced, but I
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Speaker 1: may make mistakes here and there. Try to be, you know,
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Speaker 1: forgiving just a wee bit because I have tried. Irma
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Speaker 1: Ilsa Alda Greja was born on the seventh of October
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Speaker 1: nineteen twenty three in Reken that's like a northern Germany.
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Speaker 1: So she's born to Alfred Anton Albert gress A senior
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Speaker 1: milker i a dairy farm, and Berta Vilmina winter a
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Speaker 1: house Frau. Irma had two older siblings, Helene and Leisen,
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Speaker 1: and two younger brothers, Alfred and Otto. When Irma was
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Speaker 1: ten years old, well almost ten, Adolf Hitler was appointed
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Speaker 1: the Chancellor of Germany to the end of January nineteen
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Speaker 1: thirty three. It wasn't long before schools across the country
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Speaker 1: were entrenched in Nazi ideology. From the get go. Kids
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Speaker 1: were conditioned to be good little Nazis. Boynes joined the
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Speaker 1: Hitler Youth and girls joined the League of German Girls.
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Speaker 1: Now Hitler was like obsessed with children. He was obsessed
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Speaker 1: with the youth and children like part of it was
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Speaker 1: like they're the future of Germany, even though Germany was
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Speaker 1: only a thing from like the eighteen eighties, because it
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Speaker 1: was like a bunch of different states that came together.
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Speaker 1: Rotto von Beasmark really clever dude anyway, So he's just
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Speaker 1: like obsessed with young people because they're also really easy
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Speaker 1: to mold, right, they are a blank slate, a tabula
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Speaker 1: rasa if you will, for him to make into the
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Speaker 1: ideal little follower. So the totalitarian structure of the education
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Speaker 1: system actually suited Irma, and she's pooh out in the
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Speaker 1: countryside and she's being told that she's superior to all
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Speaker 1: these other people, right, because that's part of this whole
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Speaker 1: Nazi ideology is the concept of the Aryan race and Irma.
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Speaker 1: Here not only is she I'm gonna say ethnic Laude Yeleman,
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Speaker 1: but she's also like blue eyed, blonde haired, like she
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Speaker 1: looks like an Arian, right, that's how she looks. So
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Speaker 1: she's struggling, she's pooh, she's kind of through life and
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Speaker 1: here is someone telling her, or like the whole world,
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Speaker 1: her world really is telling her that she is like
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Speaker 1: superior to all these other people. She's better than them.
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Speaker 1: You know, that's something for her because she was always
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Speaker 1: kind of a bit whimpy. But we'll get to the
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Speaker 1: So the Buondoche Medal was training girls to be good
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Speaker 1: Arian mothers and maybe nurses because like the Hitler Youth
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Speaker 1: was basically training people for the SS. It's like to
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Speaker 1: become part of Hitler's army. And the Bondoutche Moddel they
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Speaker 1: were like, we want to make your go to house frows. Okay,
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Speaker 1: like I've spoken about it before, but there's like a
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Speaker 1: medal system, like Germany creates this whole medal system that
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Speaker 1: if you have so many children because it's all about
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Speaker 1: boosting the German population. So you have all these children,
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Speaker 1: and for every child you get, you get like a medal,
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Speaker 1: and once you hit like I can't mar now this
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Speaker 1: is bad because I've spoken about as before, but like
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Speaker 1: it's either six or ten, like once you hit that number,
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Speaker 1: like that child was named Adolf or something like there
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Speaker 1: was a very weird like points system, like for so
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Speaker 1: many children, you so many medals, and like you got
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Speaker 1: bonuses for having more children because you were like you
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Speaker 1: were helping Germany by having kids. So, when Irma is
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Speaker 1: twelve years old, she discovers the body of her mother,
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Speaker 1: so Berta, she attempted to ender her own life in
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Speaker 1: the winter of nineteen thirty five after discovering her husband's
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Speaker 1: affair with a younger women like some tavern owner's daughter,
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Speaker 1: which is the biggest cliche, but let's not get into
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Speaker 1: it now, because a woman has died. So what Berta
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Speaker 1: had done was she had ingested hydrochloric acid, but she
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Speaker 1: didn't actually pass away until January of nineteen thirty six,
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Speaker 1: and it was Irma who found the body. And Irma
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Speaker 1: she wasn't fond of her father she found him strict,
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Speaker 1: and he wasn't really keen on how fanatical she was
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Speaker 1: becoming because she was like really into this whole nazy thing.
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Speaker 1: I mean, she's like a couple years older now, she's
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Speaker 1: been having this sort of forced into her brain for
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Speaker 1: a couple of years, you know. And Irma she ends
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Speaker 1: up leaving school at fourteen, where she wasn't well liked
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Speaker 1: for many reasons. And her sister would say that Irma
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Speaker 1: would only get into a fight if she knew she
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Speaker 1: could win, which in a way, you're like, wow, self preservation,
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Speaker 1: that that's pretty neat to know that at that age.
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Speaker 1: But she would specifically start fights with weaker and younger
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Speaker 1: opponents because she could win, and if anyone bigger tried
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Speaker 1: to confront her, she would run away. And so she
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Speaker 1: was sort of known as being sort of cowardly and
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Speaker 1: sleek it as the world we would use like a
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Speaker 1: week sleek it person because she would do it. But
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Speaker 1: it's all about control for her. So she ends up
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Speaker 1: moving to Fulstenburg and works in a dairy factory for
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Speaker 1: about six months. Then she goes to Liking works in
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Speaker 1: a shop there for another like six months, and then
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Speaker 1: she gets hired is like the apprentice to an assistant
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Speaker 1: nurse at hochin Liken Sanatorium, which was like a complex
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Speaker 1: of sanatoriums for the ESSs now. It was originally a
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Speaker 1: TV hospital, but it was turned into a center for
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Speaker 1: sport and recreational medicine and became the military hospital for
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Speaker 1: the short staffle, which is the ESSs. And this was
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Speaker 1: run by none other then doctor Carl Gabbard, who would
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Speaker 1: go on to be one of the mad scientists conducting
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Speaker 1: inhumane and horrific experiments in the concentration camps. But the sanatorium,
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Speaker 1: it was like a super fashionable place to stay. It
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Speaker 1: had delegations from all over the world. We're up in France, Portugal, Chili, Peru, Argentina.
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Speaker 1: It even had like British politicians stay. At one point
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Speaker 1: it had everybody because it was just like the place
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Speaker 1: to hung out and it was just like, I'm gonna
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Speaker 1: rehability at the hochen Liking Sanatorium. So Arma, she didn't
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Speaker 1: exactly have the best of bedside manals. She was heavy handed,
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Speaker 1: she was unpleasant and I'm gonna go ahead and say
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Speaker 1: a bit of a bitch. The official line was that
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Speaker 1: she did not meet expectations. So Carl here he suggests
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Speaker 1: that there was a place that she would be better
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Speaker 1: suited to Ravensbrook, a concentration camp for women, which was
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Speaker 1: just like up a wee bit. It was nearby, it
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Speaker 1: wasn't too far, you know, and hochen Liking would actually
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Speaker 1: become part of the Ravens Brook like concentration camp system.
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Speaker 1: So she's seventeen at this point, and the camp needs
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Speaker 1: female girl because the men were needed elsewhere. So as
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Speaker 1: the war progressed, so it started what nineteen thirty nine,
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Speaker 1: men were being trained to go to war, So they
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Speaker 1: had certain men stay SS officers stay in the camps
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Speaker 1: because you know, efficiency, but a lot of men were
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Speaker 1: needed elsewhere for other parts of the war effort. And
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Speaker 1: so even though they didn't want women to have jobs,
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Speaker 1: it was like a necessary evil from the perspective of
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Speaker 1: the Nazis, you know, it's like the worst thing for
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Speaker 1: a women to be was like a business women. To
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Speaker 1: the Nazis, they were like, oh no, she's got opinions,
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Speaker 1: had a briefcase, like they just could not handle this.
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Speaker 1: So they're like we all give them jobs, like because
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Speaker 1: we have to, because we don't have enough men. To
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Speaker 1: go around able bodied men, you know. So she applies
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Speaker 1: because you know they need people, but they're not that desperate.
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Speaker 1: And so they tell her to come back when she's eighteen.
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Speaker 1: You're like, give it, give it a while. So she
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Speaker 1: goes off, works in a dairy for a bit and
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Speaker 1: then tries again. And so in July nineteen forty two,
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Speaker 1: eighteen year old Irma entered Ravensbrook's training program. Now you
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Speaker 1: got trained on the job, and you didn't need any
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Speaker 1: prerequisites other than falling under the right label in the
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Speaker 1: Eugenics handbook. Now training usually took four weeks. After three
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Speaker 1: whole weeks, Irma had completed her training to become an
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Speaker 1: essays of Zeheran or overseer. Like that shows you just
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Speaker 1: the pretension of those levels, because it's like you're not
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Speaker 1: just a guard, you're an overseer. Right. The training was
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Speaker 1: harsh and brutal, designed to make the guards tough and
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Speaker 1: remove any natural empathy one might have towards other humans.
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Speaker 1: The off Ziheran were desensitized to the brutal and suffering.
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Speaker 1: Designed to be cruel, calculated, and efficient, the prisoners were
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Speaker 1: seen as subhuman. So like I think fairly early on.
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Speaker 1: There was a a situation where Irma had walked out
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Speaker 1: and a camp member had walked in front of her
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Speaker 1: and Irma had said sorry, I said camp member, prisoner,
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Speaker 1: prisoner had walked in front of her and she goes sorry,
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Speaker 1: And so Irma had to be cured of this because
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Speaker 1: Ravensbrook had initially female political prisoners, Like that was kind
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Speaker 1: of the concept of it. It was a female only
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Speaker 1: concentration camp, which I'll delve more into next week. So
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Speaker 1: the idea was that you were curing people of or
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Speaker 1: curing women of, like the wrong ideas, the wrong lifestyles,
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Speaker 1: and they would become like good Nazis through punishment. Like
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Speaker 1: that's the general just of it. So when she becomes
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Speaker 1: an officer hero and it's like a little bit of
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Speaker 1: pack mentality and a little bit of specific people were
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Speaker 1: chosen for the job, so they weren't just picking anyone.
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Speaker 1: They needed people who would uphold Nazi values and believed
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Speaker 1: the ideology. Needless to say, the specific women chosen for
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Speaker 1: these positions were adapting fairly swiftly in their roles. The
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Speaker 1: mail guards had military training, so it could be assumed
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Speaker 1: that they would have an easier time assimilating, but the
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Speaker 1: women did it quite well. The overseers would work in
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Speaker 1: calculated cruelty during the day, but at night, the night
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Speaker 1: nights for like party time. It was like being in college.
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Speaker 1: So they would feast in party. They would gorge themselves
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Speaker 1: on food and booze, and they would just like hook
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Speaker 1: up with each other like kind of like frat house mentality.
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Speaker 1: But every she just like drinking, eating, blinking. It was
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Speaker 1: all excess. And what's interesting as well, is like this
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Speaker 1: kind of behavior was encouraged, like they were like, yeah,
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Speaker 1: go hook up with each other, go shag about. It's
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Speaker 1: absolutely fine as long as you're shagging Arian people like
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Speaker 1: as long as they are again the right label and
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Speaker 1: the eugenics handbook. I remember earlier when I mentioned that
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Speaker 1: Yarma never got into a fight she couldn't win, And
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Speaker 1: now she'd actually run away from confrontation if there was
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Speaker 1: a chance she could lose. Yeah, so she's in her
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Speaker 1: fucking element here, she's at Raven's book. She thrived because
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Speaker 1: she could not lose. She was superior. She was part
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Speaker 1: of the important crowd with her Hugo boss uniform and
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Speaker 1: her snazzy hobnail boots. Armed with a pistol, a whip,
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Speaker 1: and a fist full of power. The authoritarian structure of
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Speaker 1: Nazism and the camps served her well. She had something
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Speaker 1: she never had a farm girl, authority and power, and
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Speaker 1: she loved wielding both. Prisoners would tremble at the approach
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Speaker 1: of her shiny boots. Her uniform was always perfect. She
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Speaker 1: would show up a juxtaposition and would inflict torture and
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Speaker 1: pain upon the prisoners, because yeah, Ravensbrook was a straflash
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Speaker 1: or a punishment camp. So female members of like the resistance,
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Speaker 1: political prisoners, polls, et cetera. Like that was your initial grouping.
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Speaker 1: And they had different sections of labor. You had sorting
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Speaker 1: soldiers uniforms, like the Red Army uniforms. They were going
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Speaker 1: through it sorting through those. You had factory work for
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Speaker 1: semen's hind call, probably more linen textiles. They were doing construction,
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Speaker 1: they were doing digging ditches, and they were sometimes on
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Speaker 1: corpse duty, which was just moving the bodies of the
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Speaker 1: dead to get rid of them the crematoria. Oh when
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Speaker 1: they even had women working as seamtresses for the army
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Speaker 1: uniforms for the Nazis for the winter campaign. So you
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Speaker 1: had row call, which conveniently overlapped with work call, and
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Speaker 1: sometimes they'd have breakfast like before before you miss there,
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Speaker 1: like breakfast was much better. You'd have like porridge and
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Speaker 1: dried fruits and things like that. But we're in the
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Speaker 1: war now and supply isn't great, so some techniques you'd
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Speaker 1: have coffee and black bread, and then at noon sometimes
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Speaker 1: you'd get a meal of thin soup and bread. So
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Speaker 1: women would work NonStop except for the noon break, and
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Speaker 1: any pause led to being whipped. And this is over
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Speaker 1: an eleven hour day. And one of the most common
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Speaker 1: punishments in the camp was twenty blows to the bear
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Speaker 1: buttocks with a heavy stick and irmash. She relished and
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Speaker 1: dolling out punishments and irma. She is this juxtaposition, blonde haired,
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Speaker 1: baby faced teenager with her blue eyes and her kneets
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Speaker 1: out in shiny boots, and she looked angelic, she looked sweet,
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Speaker 1: but she was the complet opposite. In nineteen forty three,
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Speaker 1: she traveled back home to visit her dad, who had remarried.
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Speaker 1: He'd remarried a widow, and initially he's like really impressed
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Speaker 1: that his daughter has a job and a good paying
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Speaker 1: one at that now he is a ghast though, when
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Speaker 1: she starts talking about life at the camp and her
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Speaker 1: pride as she regales the stories of inflicting torture and abuse.
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Speaker 1: So there's already some tension there and it only gets worse.
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Speaker 1: He thinks maybe he's showboating or she's showboting, you know,
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Speaker 1: to begin with. And it's like, maybe I'll just I'll
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Speaker 1: let it slide. She she's maybe just acting up. Weep it.
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Speaker 1: That is, until his step children's th children are affected.
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Speaker 1: I couldn't find exact details on this because he'd remarred
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Speaker 1: a widow and I think one of the children was hers,
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Speaker 1: and then I think one of the children's is theirs together,
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Speaker 1: So his now youngest daughter, she comes in sobbing, absolute tears,
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Speaker 1: her favorite dolls and pieces Irma had ripped its heads
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Speaker 1: and limbs off and laughed at the little girl's distress.
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Speaker 1: And our dad's just not dealing with this very well.
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Speaker 1: He's like, this is a weirdish shit thing to do, right,
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Speaker 1: And then she lets her younger brother, her younger brother
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Speaker 1: play with her loaded gun and he aims it at
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Speaker 1: their father because he's a child, and he thinks this
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Speaker 1: is silly fun times and he just grabs the dad Albert,
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Speaker 1: he just like grabs it out the kid's hand and
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Speaker 1: fucking wax Irma with it. He's like, fuck this for
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Speaker 1: a game of soldiers, get out, like, get out my house.
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Speaker 1: So he just kicks her out. He's like, I'm done,
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Speaker 1: and so she heads out back to Ravensbrook, where she
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Speaker 1: finds out that she's been promoted. Her supervisors believed that
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Speaker 1: she had such talent that she shouldn't be wasted at
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Speaker 1: Ravensbrook as a mere workoverseer. Oh No, in March, Irma
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Speaker 1: had been assigned to Auschwitz Berkenal. And if you thought
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Speaker 1: she thrived in Ravensbrook, oh, she really thrived in Berkenal.
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Speaker 1: So she gets there and she's assigned to Camp B
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Speaker 1: in Berkner, which is the largest of the camps in
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Speaker 1: the Auschwitz TI complex. So there was three Auschwitz Auschwitz
24:11
Speaker 1: ein Aushchwitz TWI, Berkenal, and then Auschwitz dry moral Vits
24:18
Speaker 1: I think is the last one. So she starts off
24:21
Speaker 1: as a telephone operator of the Block Funder, which is
24:25
Speaker 1: a member of the Tottenkoppa Bunda, the death head units.
24:30
Speaker 1: And they had these like little skull pins on their uniforms.
24:35
Speaker 1: And I feel like I shouldn't have to tell people
24:38
Speaker 1: that if you've got skulls on your uniforms that you're
24:43
Speaker 1: the baddies. Like you you're the baddies, Like you're not,
24:47
Speaker 1: You're not the heroes of this situation. Skull on uniform
24:53
Speaker 1: pretty much to the villain. I feel like we can
24:55
Speaker 1: agree on that, Like, let's just have skulls on your form.
25:00
Speaker 1: That's not creepy and macab at all. It suits me here,
25:04
Speaker 1: Like were skulls all the time at least I used
25:07
Speaker 1: to back in my AMoD is. I like cute skills,
25:11
Speaker 1: But I really I'm really worried that it's gonna veer
25:13
Speaker 1: into what's the word now the sidebar? What's the and
25:18
Speaker 1: what Dave Moritz? The sort of day of the day
25:24
Speaker 1: and things like that, And I don't want to like
25:26
Speaker 1: appropriate culture. So it's like I like a pretty skull,
25:31
Speaker 1: but I knew it to not be appropriation. Please, So
25:33
Speaker 1: if anyone knows where I can get like that, that'd
25:36
Speaker 1: be great. Let me know. So the block funeral, they're
25:39
Speaker 1: in charge of the prisoner barracks, attendance work, detail rations
25:44
Speaker 1: and administering zyclone, being like that was their job and Irma.
25:52
Speaker 1: She arrives at the camp when the four large crematoria
25:55
Speaker 1: were constructed and nearly complete, and so she had a
25:59
Speaker 1: variety of duries. Like I said, she was a telephone operator,
26:03
Speaker 1: she censored mail, and she even commanded a garden squad.
26:08
Speaker 1: She was given a job of overseeing punishment detail the
26:13
Speaker 1: straft commando or she was responsible for the deaths of
26:16
Speaker 1: approximately thirty prisoners per day. Now, allegedly she had some
26:22
Speaker 1: kind of infraction that put her on like prisoner detail
26:27
Speaker 1: or like punishment detail. And I'm not sure that is
26:32
Speaker 1: a punishment for her because she's like, I only did
26:36
Speaker 1: it for like a day or two, and it's like, no,
26:38
Speaker 1: she did it for about seven months, Like she was
26:41
Speaker 1: there a good maybe seven weeks, but she was there
26:45
Speaker 1: a good while, like a good long will. No, I
26:49
Speaker 1: think it was seven months. And so she's on punishment detail,
26:53
Speaker 1: and that's already a thing. But she's doing something right
26:56
Speaker 1: there for Nazis because in ME nineteen forty four, she
27:01
Speaker 1: gets promoted to Auber office Hearin, the second highest rank
27:05
Speaker 1: in SS office Heroin could achieve. And she's twenty right,
27:10
Speaker 1: she's in charge of over thirty thousand female prisoners at
27:14
Speaker 1: birken Out Block C, and every single survivor remembers her whip, pistol,
27:22
Speaker 1: and boots. And she really loved her whips, Like she
27:26
Speaker 1: really loved her whips. And she even fashioned one herself
27:29
Speaker 1: out of like I want to say, like cellophane and
27:34
Speaker 1: barbed wire. Like there's this thing that she sort of fashioned.
27:39
Speaker 1: And it's so people remember the whip, the shiny boots
27:43
Speaker 1: and the pistol. That and how beautiful she was, like
27:49
Speaker 1: doctor Gazella Perrol talks about her cruelty hidden under the
27:52
Speaker 1: skin of someone so beautiful. Like there's just a common theme.
27:57
Speaker 1: Everyone's like, Wow, she's so gorgeous. How can she be evil?
28:02
Speaker 1: That's that's not how this works. So Irma Rezzi she
28:08
Speaker 1: liked nice things and she liked power. She would wear
28:11
Speaker 1: expensive perfumes and taunt prisoners under her command, because remember
28:17
Speaker 1: the Nazi stow belongings. So Irma would take the finest clothes,
28:21
Speaker 1: she would take the perfumes she would have, she would
28:26
Speaker 1: take the attire that she liked, and she would have
28:28
Speaker 1: it tailored. So she had a dressmaker who said that
28:31
Speaker 1: she was really fond of like a navy suit, like
28:35
Speaker 1: she really loved navy. Her clothes were always pristine in
28:40
Speaker 1: her hair perfectly koifed, and she would stomp through the
28:43
Speaker 1: camp completely done up, make up, hair, and just a
28:48
Speaker 1: waft of perfume wherever she went. Irma believed that after
28:54
Speaker 1: the war she was going to be a movie star,
28:57
Speaker 1: like she was genuinely convinced that she was going to
29:00
Speaker 1: go out there. She was going to be a star
29:03
Speaker 1: of stage and screen, and everyone was going to adore her.
29:07
Speaker 1: Like gently she told people about this. She was like,
29:10
Speaker 1: I'm going to be a star spoilers, but no, you're not.
29:17
Speaker 1: But she loved nice things, and she reveled in the
29:20
Speaker 1: fact that she had all this, all this finery, and
29:23
Speaker 1: the prisoners did not. She loved showing them how much
29:27
Speaker 1: powertry had. She would make them smell her perfume, she
29:30
Speaker 1: would show off her jewelry and her clothes, and she
29:32
Speaker 1: would just rub it in as much as possible. And
29:37
Speaker 1: any chance she got to inflict pain, she used it
29:44
Speaker 1: like any excuse whatsoever for the teeniest tiny infraction, anything
29:49
Speaker 1: that broke or even bent a roll. She would lash women.
29:55
Speaker 1: She was particularly fond of whipping large bread women like
30:02
Speaker 1: this is reported throughout her story, like there's so many
30:07
Speaker 1: tales of her doing this. Specifically, she would lash the nipples,
30:14
Speaker 1: like she'd make sure they were naked. She would lash
30:17
Speaker 1: the nipples which would get infected, and so Irma would
30:21
Speaker 1: bring women to doctor Peril to operate on with an
30:25
Speaker 1: unsterilized knife and no Anastasia and Irma would come to
30:30
Speaker 1: watch these operations and according to the doctor, was getting
30:34
Speaker 1: off on it. M HM direct quote, IAmA Grizzy was
30:40
Speaker 1: enjoying the sight of this human suffering. Her tense body
30:44
Speaker 1: swung back and forth in a revealing rhythmic motion. Her
30:47
Speaker 1: cheeks were flushed, and her wide open eyes had the rigid,
30:51
Speaker 1: staring look of complete sexual paroxysm. She did this on
30:56
Speaker 1: several occasions. What the operations of the women whose rest
31:00
Speaker 1: had been slashed open, and I'd become infected with the
31:03
Speaker 1: lce and dirt that pervaded the women's camp. Don't worry,
31:10
Speaker 1: it gets wuss, doctor Pearl continues. Armarez invariably arrived to
31:18
Speaker 1: watch the operation, kicking the victim of her screams, interviewed
31:22
Speaker 1: with her pleasure, and giving herself completely to the orgasmic
31:26
Speaker 1: spasms which shook her entire body and made saliva run
31:30
Speaker 1: down the corners of her mouth. Now, I hope you
31:37
Speaker 1: don't mind. I'm going to be so bold as to say,
31:39
Speaker 1: oh and also ick. Now, I'd like to say, I'm
31:43
Speaker 1: not here to yuck anybody's yum. But I'm yucking this. Yum.
31:46
Speaker 1: I am yucking it. This is not inappropriate yum. No,
31:52
Speaker 1: not in any sense of the word. No. Remember, I
31:57
Speaker 1: told you this was not gonna be a pleasant episode.
32:01
Speaker 1: If you're still listening and you're thinking, why why did
32:03
Speaker 1: I keep listening? I listened to my warnings in future. Okay, So, Earma,
32:09
Speaker 1: she had two big dogs. This is something else she had.
32:14
Speaker 1: She had two big dogs, Alsatians as far as no. Now, okay, oh,
32:20
Speaker 1: we have to explain alsatis because it's gonna bug me.
32:23
Speaker 1: So Alsatians, right, we're known as German shepherds, right, Alsatians
32:29
Speaker 1: German shepherds. They're a dog, right, And obviously after the
32:34
Speaker 1: First World War it became incredibly unfashionable to have anything German.
32:39
Speaker 1: So they're like, it's an Alsatian because it's from Alsace, Lorraine,
32:44
Speaker 1: which sort of fluttered between like French and German ownership
32:49
Speaker 1: for a while, so they're like, look, it's an Alsatian.
32:54
Speaker 1: And then they were like, no, no, we can call
32:55
Speaker 1: it a German shepherd again. Motherfuckers, just pick a lane, okay.
33:00
Speaker 1: So she had these two Jerman shepheards right, and she
33:03
Speaker 1: would cycle around the camp with a dog at her side,
33:06
Speaker 1: and she would accompany female prisoners on the sixteen kilometer
33:10
Speaker 1: trek to work. If someone couldn't keep up, she would
33:15
Speaker 1: set the dog on them. This was a walk to
33:18
Speaker 1: the Semens factory where they were making parts for V
33:24
Speaker 1: two rockets, if I'm not mistaken, And so initially they're
33:29
Speaker 1: doing the sixteen kloma hike to this satellite and then
33:34
Speaker 1: they're like, oh, we're losing too many workers with this
33:38
Speaker 1: massive walk and it's taken up too much time. So
33:40
Speaker 1: they do end up moving it closer after a bit. Anyway,
33:45
Speaker 1: if a girl dropped something or spilled something as they
33:49
Speaker 1: were going, like as they were making their way to
33:52
Speaker 1: or from work, detail Irma would have them beaten and
33:58
Speaker 1: then have the dogs tell them up pat there's reports
34:02
Speaker 1: of a cart falling over just because they're traveling over
34:05
Speaker 1: this like awful terrain and it's hard to steer a
34:09
Speaker 1: cart and because everyone was so afraid of Irmarese that
34:15
Speaker 1: when she showed up, people just got more anxious and nervous,
34:18
Speaker 1: and more mistakes would happen because she's a big scary bitch,
34:21
Speaker 1: right I say, big scary bitch. She was a wee
34:24
Speaker 1: scary bitch. And so they're just like genuinely terrified of her,
34:29
Speaker 1: and so mistakes are likely to happen. And so there
34:32
Speaker 1: was an incident with two girls, and you know, the
34:35
Speaker 1: cart goes over and she sets two dogs on them,
34:39
Speaker 1: and they try to run away like she sets them.
34:42
Speaker 1: She sets them on them, and one of the girls
34:45
Speaker 1: like she almost gets away, but the dog gets her
34:48
Speaker 1: and just starts literally tearing her apart, like teeth into
34:53
Speaker 1: flesh and just like ripping off noses, getting ankles, like
34:59
Speaker 1: the whole shaback. Now, didn't you think that was the worst.
35:06
Speaker 1: Oh no, no, no, no, no, no no no, you
35:09
Speaker 1: sweet summer child. She would sometimes find a woman in
35:13
Speaker 1: active labor and tie their legs together just so she
35:16
Speaker 1: could watch them suffer. This feels like a good time
35:21
Speaker 1: for a break. I'm gonna I'm gonna give you a
35:23
Speaker 1: break for like a couple seconds. May there be adds,
35:26
Speaker 1: maybe i'm'er back. So Irma had many lovers. She had
35:36
Speaker 1: sexual relations with men and women, and allegedlies, had an
35:41
Speaker 1: affair with doctor Joseph mcgreli himself Magrelli, Mogreli menally Mongreally,
35:48
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't care about the man. I
35:50
Speaker 1: don't care if I've pronounced his name correctly because he
35:53
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna say this one time, he was a cunt.
35:56
Speaker 1: I don't care about his name. So, so Irma would
36:01
Speaker 1: stand with him at selections and help choose who would
36:05
Speaker 1: live or die. She also helped him find women to
36:09
Speaker 1: experiment on again allegedlies. Doctor Margueli broke things off with
36:16
Speaker 1: Irma when he discovered her rapes of women. Now people
36:22
Speaker 1: often refer to this as her affairs with women, but
36:29
Speaker 1: these women couldn't consent because they were prisoners and she
36:32
Speaker 1: was an overseer. So no, there's no consent here. We're
36:38
Speaker 1: not okay, so Menguelli. Here he is breaking off allegedlies,
36:46
Speaker 1: not because the abuse is wrong, but because it broke
36:50
Speaker 1: the race and resettlement law, which is basically no homo
36:53
Speaker 1: and no race development right. Because he's like, don't do that,
36:59
Speaker 1: but not enough to border like, so that's why it's
37:02
Speaker 1: kind of like an allegedly is it's like if he knew,
37:05
Speaker 1: why didn't he report her and get her like shipped off.
37:10
Speaker 1: So Irma would sexually assault female inmates, and when she
37:13
Speaker 1: was finished with them, she would send them to the
37:16
Speaker 1: gas chambers because dead men tell no tales. One male
37:21
Speaker 1: inmate rejected her because you know, they're all around, and
37:27
Speaker 1: she was like, I like the look of him, so
37:31
Speaker 1: she wants him and he says no, thank you. And
37:35
Speaker 1: according to Alha Linquel, this Georgian man had a lover
37:40
Speaker 1: or wife in the camp like she existed, and so
37:44
Speaker 1: Irma decided, you know what's good? You know what the
37:47
Speaker 1: best reasonable rational response to this is she has the
37:53
Speaker 1: woman dragged by the hair buck naked and whipped, and
37:59
Speaker 1: she was then sent to the camp brothel and the
38:03
Speaker 1: man she had him shot. When the Red Army advanced
38:09
Speaker 1: into Poland in January nineteen forty five, Irma was transferred
38:13
Speaker 1: back to Ravensbrook for two months before being sent to
38:16
Speaker 1: bergen Belsen in March. Now bergen Belsen, I think I
38:22
Speaker 1: brought this up before, like people go, why don't you
38:25
Speaker 1: mention bergen Belsen when you talk about the big camps,
38:27
Speaker 1: because it wasn't originally like a camp for holding people necessarily,
38:33
Speaker 1: it was a transit camp. Like it was initially a
38:36
Speaker 1: transit camp. People were sorted there and then sent off
38:39
Speaker 1: to other places. It was never meant to hold people
38:42
Speaker 1: for any length of time like that was not its design.
38:47
Speaker 1: So as it became a dumping ground for prisoners arriving
38:51
Speaker 1: from death marches from camps all over, you know, even Auschwitz,
38:58
Speaker 1: it became more over run, and there were prisoners who
39:01
Speaker 1: had left Auschwitz and made it all the way to
39:06
Speaker 1: bergen Belsen only to say the Hyena of Auschwitz appear.
39:13
Speaker 1: Because here's the thing. She would laugh all the time.
39:17
Speaker 1: She would laugh and giggle about all of the horrible
39:20
Speaker 1: things she was doing, Like there's this weird, weird way
39:25
Speaker 1: that she just exists because she's like very juvenile, because
39:30
Speaker 1: she's like, oh whips, and then she's very vicious and extreme.
39:39
Speaker 1: And so you've got these people who arrive there, these inmates,
39:42
Speaker 1: and then you've got her back, and they're just like shit,
39:46
Speaker 1: like this is not great for them because they already
39:49
Speaker 1: know what she's like. And also here's the thing, Irpaul
39:53
Speaker 1: wasn't supposed to stay in bergen Belsen. The plan was
39:56
Speaker 1: to move her somewhere else, but she requested to stay
40:01
Speaker 1: because she had a boyfriend at the camp, enter Franz
40:08
Speaker 1: Wolfgang Hadsinger, the chief engineer of Auschwitz and Construction Department,
40:14
Speaker 1: whom she had been boinking back at Berkenaut. So he's there,
40:19
Speaker 1: and who else is there? Joseph Kramer, the new commandant
40:23
Speaker 1: of bergen Belsen previously Auschwitz so Irma, is at the
40:29
Speaker 1: camp for three weeks, three whole weeks, and just those
40:36
Speaker 1: three weeks there she earned the title the Beast of Belsen.
40:44
Speaker 1: She would force people to stand in the snow for
40:47
Speaker 1: extra long roll call, sometimes from three am to nine am.
40:52
Speaker 1: Sometimes she'd make them hold heavy rocks over their heads
40:56
Speaker 1: so that when they were finally exhausted and they let go,
41:00
Speaker 1: they would crush their own skulls. If someone didn't stand
41:04
Speaker 1: up straight, they were beaten. Sometimes she'd make them kneel
41:09
Speaker 1: with the threat of being shot. She even set up
41:15
Speaker 1: which known as the potato peel trap. You've got about
41:21
Speaker 1: five hundred prisoners per day dying of starvation, right and
41:25
Speaker 1: some disease, but mainly caused by the starvation, because the
41:29
Speaker 1: disease is easier to kill you when your body is weaker,
41:34
Speaker 1: and so she starts a rumor that there's a pile
41:37
Speaker 1: of potato peelings at the bank of the camp kitchen,
41:42
Speaker 1: And so she waited in the dark until two desperate
41:45
Speaker 1: sisters arrived, and then she attacked them from behind, smashing
41:50
Speaker 1: their skulls together. They would survive this, but this memory
41:55
Speaker 1: would stay with them until the day they died. She'd
41:59
Speaker 1: set it up way for someone to take the bait,
42:02
Speaker 1: just so she could hurt them outside the camp. The
42:07
Speaker 1: Nazi regime was crumbling, the British Army was approaching, and
42:11
Speaker 1: Irma did not want to leave her lover, so she
42:14
Speaker 1: stayed at the camp. The eleventh Armored Division reached bergen
42:19
Speaker 1: Belsen on the fifteenth of April nineteen forty five, and
42:23
Speaker 1: during the liberation, Irma confronted Brigadier Bob Daniel with a
42:28
Speaker 1: silver revolver and an Alsatian. So he goes to open
42:34
Speaker 1: this door. He sees the lock is busted, and so
42:36
Speaker 1: he goes to the door and as he grabs it,
42:39
Speaker 1: he feels something pokem in the back and he turns
42:42
Speaker 1: around and there's this blonde, blue eyed girl with a
42:48
Speaker 1: silver gun and an alsatian and he's like, what is
42:54
Speaker 1: kind of like thrown off by this idea, and so
42:57
Speaker 1: he starts shouting at her, and then she just legs it,
43:00
Speaker 1: like she goes, and he doesn't want to chase her
43:03
Speaker 1: because like the dog isn't on like a leash, So
43:06
Speaker 1: he's like worried about where this dog is and if
43:09
Speaker 1: the dog's going to get him, which I think is fair,
43:11
Speaker 1: like they're not, like there's a reason they're trained to
43:13
Speaker 1: be police dogs, right, So he shouts at her, she
43:19
Speaker 1: legs it, and eventually she and the other Officahannon, were
43:23
Speaker 1: discovered in the women's camp because all the male ess
43:26
Speaker 1: they were arrested. But the women were given the job
43:30
Speaker 1: of burying the ten thousand corpses that lay around the camp,
43:35
Speaker 1: and they did it like they weren't like off put,
43:39
Speaker 1: they just did the job. They're like, Okay, fine, I
43:41
Speaker 1: guess we're burying these bodies now. Because so many people
43:46
Speaker 1: were dying per day and because like the supply chain
43:50
Speaker 1: was busted, there wasn't enough coal to like get rid
43:55
Speaker 1: of all the bodies, Like they couldn't cremate them, like
43:58
Speaker 1: there just wasn't enough. They were just too much, and
44:03
Speaker 1: so the officer and they were described as homely by
44:07
Speaker 1: one British captain, like they're in like men's boots and
44:11
Speaker 1: they're wearing military attire and like they've all like haggard
44:14
Speaker 1: faces and they're all older, and so he sees them
44:18
Speaker 1: and that's his kind of like impression, and then he
44:22
Speaker 1: spots the beautiful young blonde women and he's like what
44:28
Speaker 1: And and so more people come in, more soldiers, like
44:32
Speaker 1: they're just confused, right, who who is she? What is this?
44:37
Speaker 2: Like?
44:37
Speaker 1: Was she forced to be Like there's all these like
44:41
Speaker 1: ideas because they can't like grasp the concept. But Irma
44:46
Speaker 1: is arrested on the seventeenth of April and her along
44:50
Speaker 1: with the officer eron they were temporarily held in Willmacht
44:54
Speaker 1: Panzer Training Academy, which is like three kilometers away, and
44:58
Speaker 1: she's interviewed by a journalyst and a camp survivor and
45:04
Speaker 1: they're just like, why why did you do this? And
45:09
Speaker 1: her response is cold. She says it was a duty
45:16
Speaker 1: to exterminate the antisocial elements so that Germany's Jocha would
45:21
Speaker 1: be a shot. And on the sixteenth of June nineteen
45:25
Speaker 1: forty five, Erma Joseph Kramer and forty three other bergen
45:30
Speaker 1: Belsen personnel were indicted on charges of murder and ill
45:34
Speaker 1: treatment at bergen Belsen and at Auschwitz Bercanal. Irma was
45:40
Speaker 1: interrogated by a British investigating officer and she had drunk
45:44
Speaker 1: the Nazi cool aid and was so fully committed. She
45:50
Speaker 1: was convinced that what she did was right and basically
45:54
Speaker 1: signed her own death warrant because she couldn't see the
46:01
Speaker 1: horror of it. Forty five Nazis associated with bergen Belsen
46:07
Speaker 1: were put on trial on the seventeenth of September nineteen
46:10
Speaker 1: forty five. Each was given a number. Irma was number nine,
46:17
Speaker 1: and so they all had a placard with a number
46:19
Speaker 1: on it. In this five officer military tribunal. Irma received
46:26
Speaker 1: a lot of attention because she was beautiful and monstrous,
46:32
Speaker 1: and at the trial she was well dressed, her hair
46:35
Speaker 1: was styled like it was perfectly done every single day,
46:40
Speaker 1: and she didn't cry or show any remorse when shown
46:43
Speaker 1: footage from the camps or the bodies peld high or
46:46
Speaker 1: the skeletal victims. She did cry though once when her
46:53
Speaker 1: sister Helene was brought in as a character witness. She
46:57
Speaker 1: claimed that as a child, Irma was a coward ran
47:00
Speaker 1: from fights, so she could not be the perpetrator of
47:04
Speaker 1: such crimes, and when she spoke of the fight with
47:09
Speaker 1: their father the last time Irma was home, then Irma cried.
47:17
Speaker 1: On the seventeenth of November nineteen forty five, Irma was
47:20
Speaker 1: found guilty and sentenced to death by hanging. When the
47:26
Speaker 1: convicted were returned to their cells in Lunburg, Irma broke
47:31
Speaker 1: down and cried. Unsurprisingly, all the convicted appealed to the
47:37
Speaker 1: Field Marshal Bird Montgomery. They were denied. On the tenth
47:44
Speaker 1: of December, they were transported to Hamel and Britain's official hangman,
47:49
Speaker 1: Albert Purpont, was flown in to execute the beasts of Belsen.
47:57
Speaker 1: He decided to hang the three women individually, so one
48:02
Speaker 1: then the other, then the other. They'd be taken out
48:04
Speaker 1: one at a time, then the ten men. In the
48:09
Speaker 1: remaining ten they would be executed in pairs for efficiency.
48:16
Speaker 1: The night before the execution, the three women sang Nazi
48:20
Speaker 1: songs into the night, horrible Nazi songs, and on the
48:28
Speaker 1: thirteenth of December nineteen forty five, at ten three, am
48:33
Speaker 1: Il mcclessey was executed on the Hamil Gallows at the
48:37
Speaker 1: age of twenty two. Irma was the second youngest Nazi
48:42
Speaker 1: war criminal hand and the youngest person handed by the
48:47
Speaker 1: British in the twentieth century. And unlike her victims, she
48:52
Speaker 1: got a proper burial, like she was buried in one
48:55
Speaker 1: grave and then she was moved to another and she
48:58
Speaker 1: got respect, and then her victims did not, like she
49:05
Speaker 1: was trained to see the miss subhuman and she saw
49:09
Speaker 1: the miss subhuman and she was so young, Like we
49:14
Speaker 1: talk about the red pill. Now easy is for people
49:17
Speaker 1: to followerd down things like the alt right pipeline. And
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Speaker 1: that's the thing when you have this socialization, when this
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Speaker 1: is just smothered on.
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Speaker 2: You, your ideology, it becomes it, and you do one bad
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Speaker 2: thing and then the next thing you go a little
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Speaker 2: bit worse, and you escalate, and you escalate until you're
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Speaker 2: the beast of Belsen.
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Speaker 1: And so ends the story of Ilma Clessie. If I
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Speaker 1: don't want to say liked this episode, because like h,
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Speaker 1: please feel free to wait and review five stars. If
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Speaker 1: you don't have anything nice to say, just don't say anything.
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Speaker 1: At all. It's fine. Well, you can say mean things
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Speaker 1: about Irma nazis fine. Not me, though, I'm a delight Okay,
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Speaker 1: I am on the socials doing social things. There will
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Speaker 1: be bonus Patreon episodes coming soon, and they are more
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Speaker 1: lighthearted than this, because we need some joy. So that's
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Speaker 1: the thing that's happening. And so yes, thus ends the
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Speaker 1: story of Io mcgless and the first episode in this
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Speaker 1: concentration Camp Nazi series. I don't like it. I don't
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Speaker 1: There was no nice way to say it. I don't
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Speaker 1: like it. You can follow me on socials. Oh goodness,
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Speaker 1: recommendation time. I didn't do recommendations. Okay, let's do this
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Speaker 1: recommendation times for recommending the things. Yes, for listening, I've
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Speaker 1: been listening to Framed, an investigative story. It's it's a
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Speaker 1: very interesting take on crime reporting, crime podcasting, crime telling,
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Speaker 1: which it's it's really good, it's very interesting. I enjoyed that.
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Speaker 1: For watching, you know what, I've been watching murder, she wrote.
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Speaker 1: I've been watching it from the beginning. I've watched the
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Speaker 1: first episode of murder, she wrote, and like, what's that
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Speaker 1: nineteen eighty four and let me tell you it's amazing.
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Speaker 1: It starts off with you know, Jessica telling this dude,
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Speaker 1: you know, how his play is working and how and
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Speaker 1: how he's just like a bad trophy writer, like by accident.
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Speaker 1: Then there was a scene where she's saved by a
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Speaker 1: young black dude on the streets of New York, which
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Speaker 1: is just golden and okay. She also kisses a dude
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Speaker 1: because she's like a widow and old lady widow like
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Speaker 1: like that's the whole concept of her. And this dude's like,
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Speaker 1: I think you're hot, which is nice. He ends up
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Speaker 1: not being a good dude. But anyway, I've been rewatching
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Speaker 1: Murder she wrote it, starting from the beginning, and I'm
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Speaker 1: having a great time, let me tell you, because I
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Speaker 1: needed some joy in my life and for reading. You
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Speaker 1: know what I started reading. And this is so childish,
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Speaker 1: but I started reading Murder most unladylike, like it's this
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Speaker 1: kid's detective series. Because I'm trying to get my kids
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Speaker 1: into reading certain stuff, but i want to double check
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Speaker 1: what they're reading for us, and I'm like, I actually
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Speaker 1: really like these So I started reading Murder most ladylike,
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Speaker 1: so enjoy that. Whether that I'm gonna bed you adieu.
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Speaker 1: Oh if you're London based or London accessible, news is
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Speaker 1: And with that, I'm gonna bed you.
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Speaker 2: I do.
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Speaker 1: Adios, Olavois of Waita Zend my friends, Bye bye