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Talks to Luke Molloy & Dylan Rees about their choice of The Power of Kroll (1/4) · A Hamster With a Blunt Penknife - a Doctor Who Commentary podcast

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  Hamster with a blump pen knife for.
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  Doing quicker. Welcome back to a hamster with a
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  blump pen knife. The Doctor Who commentary
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  Podcast. I'm two.
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  I'm hit. Oh, no.
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  God, I'm already drunk. I'm here with two of the finest
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  and wrongest men in all of Doctor Who.
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  Pat fandom. Mr. Dylan Reece.
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  Hello. Hello, it's wonderful to be here
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  like we podcast all the time, Joe, but it's weird to be back
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  on hamster with a blunt pen knife.
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  The commentary podcast. It's been a while.
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  Yeah, I don't do many of those anymore.
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  Now it's all winding down a little bit.
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  And also, of course, the most handsomest man in all of podcast
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  land, but also the wrongest, Mr. Luke Malloy.
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  Hello. Yes, go to back the lads, we're
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  back. The boys are back in town.
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  I mean, I figured we was going to go somewhere uphill after the
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  keys of Mariners. So this.
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  Could be our biggest one, yeah. In terms of reputation of the
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  story, but I somehow think we've gone downhill.
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  And this is the second in the in the Joe Luke, Dylan Keys trilogy
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  of commentary. What's the third one there?
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  Peter of Trump. 7 keys to do. So there is an audio of that,
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  you know, and we have listened to some pretty shit audience,
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  but. Dylan's done it.
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  I've done it. I'm not doing it again.
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  Can I ask you gentlemen, please what you think about enormous,
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  flailing, flapping tentacles? Let's start with Dylan.
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  Crawl. That is a very succinct answer.
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  Thank you very much. That's happy.
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  To say for two hours. Heart, heart, heart, heart.
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  No, that's Mary Tam tied up right.
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  Damn. It's hard not to look.
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  It's hard not to look. I said Dylan a message in the
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  week I sent him a message saying, you know what?
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  I've been sort of tempted with Clara and a few others, but in
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  Mary, Tam may finally be the person to tone me.
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  She's she is the the epitome of beauty, right?
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  Do you know what he messaged me back though?
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  He messaged back and went, whoa, she's dead.
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  She ain't gonna do that. I was like oh thanks mate.
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  Those American fundamentalist Christian conversion groups,
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  I've got it all wrong. They should have just shown them
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  power of crawl and Mary Tan would have turned turned any
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  man. Power Crawl, I think maybe
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  Armageddon Factor, that costume she's got in that or Rebus
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  operation, that's pretty gorgeous as well, yeah.
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  Look, I mean she could wear a bin.
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  Any of them. Well, we have rather got to jump
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  into episode 1 fairly quickly, but I'm going to ask you both
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  your opinion of the key key to time season because we did trial
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  of a Tyler before and you were both very favourable about link
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  seasons back in Classic. So what do you think about this
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  one? I, I got, I, I love it.
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  I think, I think because I was collecting the DVDs as a kid and
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  I think that that's how I experienced the classic story
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  for the first time. And so like, it was all about
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  trying to fit the gaps together. And then suddenly out of
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  nowhere, I probably said something similar about trial
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  out of nowhere. You had a whole season drop at
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  once on DVD. And so to go from start to end
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  was a real like great journey. And I think I do slightly prefer
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  things when they're when they're a bit more linked and storyline.
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  If you're a reason to come back. Yeah, and like it's not just
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  it's not just what doctors do is 90% of the time is it would just
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  turn it up, random story, self-contained, move on, which
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  is must be why we love it some days.
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  But also it's quite nice when you get a little a little
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  anomaly like this. That wonderful box set, you know
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  that opens up like the key to time.
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  Oh no, I didn't. Have that purpose.
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  I was only, I was only a kid joke.
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  That was limited edition and then they re released it just in
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  the standard slip case. We had the cheap one.
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  Bless. Yeah.
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  And. I had the cheap one.
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  The cheap one felt like one of the prized possessions when I
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  was a kid though. But it's also when it came out
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  on VHS, they released it month by month, so it was almost like
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  you were following a continuing series again.
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  So whereas everything else sort of came out randomly in whatever
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  order they decided. So that's how I experienced the
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  season and I do like things. I prefer things with an arc and
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  not because of the arc, but this is my favorite Tom Baker season.
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  I think it straddles the line between the silliness that's
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  going to happen next season where it's not quite as silly,
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  although there are some silly moments.
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  We'll get to it from that and the sort of more serious stuff
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  that has come before. I just think the balance between
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  silly, sci-fi, scary, all those things is right throughout the
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  season. Admittedly, Armageddon Factor is
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  not one that I visit often, but the rest I I think Rebus is
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  probably my favorite Tom Baker story.
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  Gorgeous, isn't it? They are not ice crystals for
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  me. I've said this on previous
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  hamsters. This is on the right day.
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  My favorite season of Classic Who.
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  I just. I don't think there's a dud this
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  year and I think even the weaker stories, and this is probably
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  one of the weakest stories, it still has a huge amount to
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  recommend it. We'll we'll get there.
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  But the first four, I think that is a continuous run of four
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  absolute bangers, Rebos, Pirate Planet, Stones of Blood and
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  Andrew Zatara. And it's so fun this season and
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  the jokes are genuinely funny. And you're right, I think you've
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  got the awkwardness of 15 out the way.
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  We haven't quite gone into the pantomime of 17, although I love
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  that as well. And I feel like he's marshaled
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  his money the best this season as well.
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  Yes. They're much better.
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  Beautiful productions this year, yeah.
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  I think although crawl isn't the best example of the season, I
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  think the season as a whole is as tonally perfect as Doctor Who
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  can get can be and I think Tom Baker is Tom Baker.
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  I really like season 12. It's between 12 and this for me.
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  They're my 2 favorites on Baker seasons.
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  Yeah, Tom Baker's got the best balance here of like serious and
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  comedy without, as you say, going so into season 17, over
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  the top. I call it inspired lunacy.
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  Tom Baker this year, all those things with Amelia Rumford, you
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  know, in the in the cottage. It's just gorgeous.
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  I think it's interesting what you say about marshalling the
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  money because if you think, look at this season, even though it's
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  not period drama, a lot of the sets are very much period drama,
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  which we all know the BBC do well, blah blah, blah, blah,
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  blah. But.
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  You've listened to these, have you?
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  And it's when they get to the hard sci-fi stuff at the end of
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  the season that it starts to look cheap, A, because the
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  money's run out, but B, because it's space stations and there's
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  a bit of it here. But I think that the with the
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  refinery, they sort of get away with it.
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  But I guess we'll we'll get into that a bit more than.
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  So I think it's playing to the series strengths, even if they
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  are sci-fi story set on other planets.
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  I'll just say one last thing before I press play and that is
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  I think Tom Baker, he's on his absolute, he's at his best
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  because he's been appalling to Louise Jameson for a year and a
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  half. And then in steps Mary Tam, she
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  ain't having none of that shit. And so suddenly, suddenly the
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  doctors on the back foot and the companion is the really
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  competent one. I mean, don't you love that bit?
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  And Andrew Zatara where she goes, well I'll just go off and
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  do it myself then and find it in 5 minutes.
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  It sort of lets him off the leash a bit to go to go a bit
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  more a bit more crazy. Yeah, he's met his match.
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  Fellas, do you fancy heading down the bog with me?
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  Let's go. Absolutely.
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  Let's be careful with no one's wearing Wellington boots, we
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  might get sucked off. And any fart gags, all right?
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  And I'm off What? So what?
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  Count us in, then come. On go.
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  He really does want to go to bed tonight.
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  Well, even though the link is tenuous this season, I weirdly
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  don't like watching just singular stories from it.
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  I like doing it as well. I'm so sorry.
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  That's exactly what we're doing tonight.
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  We're going to. Carry on through to Armageddon
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  Factor. What do you think is the best
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  segment of the year? Like the most inspired segment
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  of the year. Tara for me.
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  I think it's probably Stones of Blood, but Tara a close second.
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  The planet and the pirate planet.
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  Often that's. Pirate Planet is great as.
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  Well, and, and of course, the Princess and what?
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  Okay, all of them. Let's just say all of them.
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  Well, I'm not huge on ribos rebos.
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  Which one is it? Is it ribos or rebos?
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  Rebos. It's a made-up word.
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  You want prick? Oh yeah?
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  So what you mean about this, actually?
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  Oh, now we're just going to sit here and slag it off?
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  I think you get away with this set because, yeah, because of
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  the outside bits. Yeah, it's, it's an industrial,
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  you know, oil rig essentially. It could do with being a bit
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  dirtier, but I think it you just about get away with it in the
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  way that in parts of the sun makers you really don't.
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  Can I get this question out of the way early please because I
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  can't. Remember that is canine.
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  Well, no, I know that. Great.
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  I'm a very old man. I've read a lot of books.
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  I think it was your ideal loop to do power crawl.
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  If I go back to the end, I think it was, it wasn't mine.
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  It wasn't mine. It could have been, man.
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  I wanted to know of all this season, why did you choose this
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  one? Probably because I haven't seen
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  it for a while. I think, as you say, because the
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  first four are strong and because Armageddon's a six part,
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  I think this one just always sort of falls away.
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  I've probably not seen it for that's eight years or something
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  have. You not done the prep work for
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  this? Have you not watched?
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  Oh yeah, no, I saw it. I saw it 2 days ago.
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  Oh. That's all right then.
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  Good grief. This story plays a small but
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  significant role in my very early fandom because when I
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  went. Which panopticon was this?
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  It wasn't a panopticon. It was before that, you smug
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  little twat. Doctor Who 1989 blah blah blah.
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  Watched on the telly, went away, went to the library a few months
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  later and discovered Doctor Who books and they had quite a few
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  of those hardback Target library novels and for some reason they
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  had loads of the Graham Williams era and this was one of the
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  first ones I remember my mum. It wasn't the first, but one of
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  the first. My mum got out and read to me at
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  bedtime. Oh, shut up.
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  She also read me the horns. For a second, you that's really
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  cute. She read me the Horns of Nyman,
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  Stones of Blood, and Androids Atara as well.
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  So there's something about those ones that just sort of, I just,
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  I can remember the covers. I can almost smell them.
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  God. Were you not begging to know
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  what happened in the Armageddon Factor?
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  No, I didn't do get the Armageddon factor.
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  Yeah, so you're not like, what the hell happens to this case?
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  I wrote an essay for a book called You on Target about why I
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  never read The Armageddon Factor as a kid because it was shit.
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  Like I hadn't seen it, but the cover was so uninspiring I
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  didn't want to. You need to send us that.
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  What's the? Cover of this one then.
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  It's that it's Tom Baker at the end, isn't it?
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  After he's fought the squid. Yeah, but there's there's crawl
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  behind him. Oh, can we talk about this marsh
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  for a second, please? Fabulous location this is.
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  Yeah, it's called the Molting Snape Suffolk, and it was shot
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  on the eighth. Well, all the dates got off the
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  screen. Fuck.
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  Too hot for TV research? King strikes again.
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  He's got the. I can marches.
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  No, not not. I make that up.
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  It it just makes a change from your normal quarry doesn't.
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  It. Yeah, exactly.
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  And there are so many versions like you remember in time in the
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  Rani, Time in the Rani is written as a jungle and they go,
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  we can't do a jungle. So we go to a quarry.
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  They don't even bother to Dick around with, I don't know, a
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  forest or a swampland like this. And I think it just makes all
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  the difference. Like it just, it makes it feel
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  completely different to the rest of the season.
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  The way Mary Tom's stroking that tracer there.
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  Slightly to do with that. No, no.
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  You are right, though. I think because, you know, it
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  would have been a really horrible shoot to be out there
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  and be doing this, that this sort of feels like there's some
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  sacrifice on behalf of the actors.
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  Have you not seen the behind the scenes footage on the DVD?
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  They actually get stuck in the mud at one point.
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  Yeah, there's a schools program called Variations that visits
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  the set of them on the marsh, and it's only 6 minutes, but you
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  you get to see a swampy smoking Tom Baker.
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  Yeah, Tom Baker and Mary Tam get interviewed and you can tell
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  that she finds him hilarious but isn't taking any of his shit.
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  But he's here, right? Hovercraft's going across the
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  wall, so obviously the swampy's all have boats.
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  It just feels like there's a bit of money, doesn't it?
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  Yeah. And this late in the year, let's
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  remember that this sport last year was Underworld, directed by
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  the same man, I believe. We love a hovercraft and doc too
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  though. Like it the only place you ever
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  see them? It suddenly feels futuristic,
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  like near futuristic. How often is a hovercraft you
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  get? It you get one an enemy of the
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  world, you get one in Planet of the Spiders.
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  Yeah, and the planet spiders one's the best because it goes
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  over a hobo. If Doctor Who had been around in
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  the 90s, it would have been monorails everywhere, wouldn't
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  that? Yeah.
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  Oh, it would have been a lot of bugs, just that the DLR,
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  wouldn't it? That's all you'd ever.
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  See is that what was on bugs? Was it?
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  Yeah, they just film around Canary Wharf all the time.
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  You could only film in Canary Wharf on a Sunday now the early
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  time. That's good thing.
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  It does feel like more of an alien planet than quite a lot of
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  them quarries though, doesn't it?
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  Because there it is just like a horrible place.
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  What do we think about the Doctor playing a tune on a
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  follow that read just. One and it's like.
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  The real skill. Can't you do it then?
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  No, I'm not. I'm no good at blowing on a thin
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  reef. You are adept at playing
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  instruments. You are.
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  And there's little things like, you know, when the swampy says,
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  sort of going through the little like waterways and there's mud
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  banks and there's different levels to it.
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  And it's just it just makes for a more excite like them hiding
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  in the reeds here. It just.
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  I really hate you. Remember the mutants when you
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  add the primitives on the planet and it was all like the studio
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  bound hearts, and it just looks dismal and like every other
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  shitty Tomorrow people's science fiction show.
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  But because they're out here on location, all right, they're
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  painted green. Bless them in the boats.
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  I mean, it just feels like a real society to me.
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  Yeah. Yeah, if this was done on a set,
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  the whole story would be shite. Yeah, it's just something really
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  engaging about the fact that they're running through real
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  horrible bogs and quagmires. The directors always work better
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  on film. They've they've used a hell of a
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  lot of film to to get this done. So you can tell they're really
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  trying thinking about the shots. They can move quicker on film
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  because it's 1 camera. They haven't got to plan the
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  shots in the same way. Everyone's buzzing because
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  they've been out all night in the hotel bar and you know
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  they're all on a little holiday. That bit where he played the
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  read wasn't in the script. Tom Baker was just pissed off.
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  Fancy doing that? You can't quite smell the booze
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  on Tom in this season. I feel like the next season you,
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  you kind of I feel like he's there's a clamminess to him.
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  Whereas. I think this is his best costume
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  though, the oatmeal jacket. He has fabulous badges on it.
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  Yeah, there's ducks. The the scarf sits so much
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  better around it than than it does on the little brown number
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  he had in his first season. I hate his first season costume.
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  I hate it. What is it?
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  Is it the red one? It's the red one.
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  Brownie red, Maroon. Yeah.
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  I like it, but it does sort of evolve and it's hard then once
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  at the end of Tom to be like, Oh yeah.
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  What? Watch Mary Tammy.
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  She's tied up and the the gun runner, what's his name?
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  Ron Dutt starts threatening her in a minute.
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  She's just so unimpressed by all of it.
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  She has an air of indifference. Quite quiet, though I don't
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  think this is a great story for Ramana.
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  Really. She she's sort of reduced to
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  disagreement. Don't you even love the bit
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  though when she's tied up on that rack?
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  And I do love that bit. Stranglers are pulling her arms
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  and legs. It's great.
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  Is that what happens? I wonder if this was the story
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  that like, sealed it for her that she was going to finish.
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  Because I really didn't think that could be the case because.
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  No, I think it's Stones of Blood, that bit where she's
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  going hell hanging off the clear.
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  Or maybe the end of part one of these?
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  Hanging. The this scene originally ROM
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  Dutt was going to interrogate them all with a file of fluid.
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  That and it would the scene would end with her him flicking
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  fluid in her face, making that what you will.
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  ROM slut. Yeah, exactly.
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  He's there. ROM Dutty.
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  She does have the odd witty line.
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  Daddy watching. This you behave.
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  Good grief, I can't believe I'm saying this.
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  I can't remember what I was going to say now.
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  What was I saying? I.
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  Don't. Know she has the odd good luck.
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  That's it. He goes oh, I like a joke and
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  she goes Oh yeah, think of 1. She's quite quick.
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  I think she's pretty quick. I mean, it's a terrible joke now
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  compared to what you just said. Thank you.
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  And. Of course.
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  I'd be pretty quick. I'm going to stop.
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  Splashing on Mary's arm. The doctor's badges.
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  Let's talk about those. The ducks.
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  Are there any other ones that have the ducks in the City of
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  Death? Are there any other ones?
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  Oh, I don't think. Because this made me question
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  whether I'd missed any. How did he go?
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  We're off to a marsh. Put some ducks on my pills.
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  The other the other stories you got you guys tread water.
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  I'll see what he's wearing and the others.
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  Thanks boss. Oh, look at that dreadful bit of
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  model work. Why doesn't that work?
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  I think, I think the model does. I think it's the interior sets
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  that don't. I don't ever believe them.
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  Interior sets are on that. You think that looks like a
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  genuine oil rig? I mean, it doesn't look like a
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  genuine like. A space like.
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  But compare it to like, think of the oil rig and terror the
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  Zygons when that's being attacked.
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  That looks great. It's different.
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  All of classic who looks a bit pony now.
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  Is this the first appearance of Tom's coat?
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  Because in Stones of Blood, he's wearing the long velvet brown
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  one. What's he wearing in Pirate
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  Planet? I'll find out.
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  I feel like that could. Be a bit of on the spot research
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  here. No, I don't.
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  I think he said this costume at least.
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  Once no, no planet is wearing the long.
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  Black. What about Tara then?
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  What's he got on in Tara? A thong.
• 19:52
  I think it's this one, isn't it? He's wearing this one in Tara.
• 19:54
  He's got to be this one. He's worn this one before, I'm
• 19:56
  sure. Right, Luke, given that you've
• 19:59
  already mentioned a handful of other Doctor Who stories, I
• 20:02
  mean, I know your pedigree as a Doctor Who fan is quite
• 20:04
  impressive. I'll need you to tell me now.
• 20:07
  Neil McCarthy playing Thorn, what other stories are you in?
• 20:10
  I'm. Crap at actors don't know.
• 20:15
  He's Barnum from the mind of evil.
• 20:17
  Doctor Summers. Doctor Summers?
• 20:20
  And what about Philip Maddock? OK, yeah, I've got.
• 20:23
  Shit loads of them. Yeah, we've got Brain and
• 20:25
  Morbius, haven't we? We've got the war games.
• 20:28
  Daleks invasion of Earth protons.
• 20:30
  I love. Protons.
• 20:32
  Tom Long, Brown velvet again, and Tara.
• 20:35
  You're joking. Yeah, right.
• 20:36
  We'll sort this in between episodes one and two.
• 20:38
  He's worn this coat before, I'm sure.
• 20:40
  Somehow when the three of us come together, Dylan, I'm always
• 20:43
  made aware of all those fashion blogs that you look at, you
• 20:46
  know, because you're your knowledge of fashion is very
• 20:50
  impressive. You know the way RTD age between
• 20:54
  RTD one and two? That's what Maddock looks like
• 20:56
  between Morbius and Crawl. Just like that.
• 21:00
  This. Age 30 years.
• 21:02
  Yeah, gradual 30 years change, you know.
• 21:07
  It always bothered me that Tom wasn't wearing a belt, but then
• 21:10
  I realized, of course he's wearing suspenders, because not
• 21:12
  suspenders. What do you call them?
• 21:14
  Braces, braces, braces. Yeah.
• 21:17
  It's just much like case of Andrew Zoni, you know, everybody
• 21:20
  says that. That's that's what Amy Pond's
• 21:22
  thinking about on a wedding day. Tom Baker's braces Raggedy Man.
• 21:28
  Jaggedy Man. Oh, I would have loved it.
• 21:31
  You know when she says you're late for my wedding If Tom Baker
• 21:34
  had appeared. Or William Hartnell.
• 21:37
  Imagine Tom doing that dance. Or Patrick Triton to shag her
• 21:41
  senseless. And he would.
• 21:44
  He would, he would. I forgot what I was going.
• 21:47
  To say the case of Androsani, sorry you are being an anarchist
• 21:53
  tonight. I think it's got a gun runner
• 21:57
  thing and they're on a sort of moon or something like that,
• 21:59
  aren't they? But it's not too similar.
• 22:01
  I mean, OK, there's a big monk. Superficially, yeah, I think, I
• 22:06
  think that Holmes goes there's more to this gun runner thing.
• 22:09
  I don't think I've quite nailed it like he does and Andrasani,
• 22:13
  but it works perfectly fine here.
• 22:16
  And of course, Ron Dutt shows up in everyone's favorite audio
• 22:20
  Necromantea, doesn't he? The actor.
• 22:24
  Is that man? 'S name Scott.
• 22:27
  Scott. That sounds so rude, Scott.
• 22:30
  Like the Scott lead. Oh, I was thinking of like a
• 22:34
  cross between a fart and scat. So what do you think of this
• 22:39
  one? Please then?
• 22:39
  Because I actually do like them. Like I believe them.
• 22:44
  Now, Luke, you're not going to be able to understand this too
• 22:46
  much, but Dylan might. I mean, they've got fabulous
• 22:48
  legs. I mean, they're green, but
• 22:51
  they've got lovely thighs. They're they're, they're healthy
• 22:54
  young men, aren't they? I believe that they live in a
• 22:56
  swamp, especially with how green they are.
• 22:59
  Also, Doctor Who's still pulling this shit?
• 23:02
  You know, like, yeah, every time we, we need loads of aliens,
• 23:05
  they're like, we'll paint somebody blue, we'll paint
• 23:07
  somebody red. They're still doing that now?
• 23:10
  Yeah, that's. What I mean, if we get that's
• 23:12
  what you're saying, if we get a swampy in the intergalactic Song
• 23:15
  Contest. Spoilers.
• 23:19
  No. If there's a CGI shot of the
• 23:21
  crowd and there's like a zombie and a Menopatra and a war
• 23:25
  machine and just every monster we've ever seen, I'll be so
• 23:28
  happy. I'm still looking at Tom Baker's
• 23:31
  coach, you know. John Leeson is shocking in this,
• 23:34
  isn't he? Like, of all the performances,
• 23:36
  his, his, what is? He says later on.
• 23:39
  It looks like it's going to be quite a daddy.
• 23:42
  I've got to be honest, all of the ones in the base just sort
• 23:44
  of merge into mush. Yeah, they're all like.
• 23:48
  And nothing happens that they're talking, but they're not talk.
• 23:52
  There's no nothing happening, they're just watching them,
• 23:55
  little lines that look like a squid on the screen.
• 23:57
  Fucking work to do in episode 3 then when nothing's going on.
• 24:01
  All right, we'll play a game or something.
• 24:04
  What? What coat did Tom Baker wear on
• 24:06
  this day? Do you know?
• 24:09
  It's weird, isn't it? Because Philip Maddock is
• 24:11
  generally seen as one of the best guest stars, but even in
• 24:14
  this I think he struggles a little.
• 24:16
  Not struggles, but it's not a memorable performance in a way
• 24:19
  that the others are. Well, the long held story isn't
• 24:21
  it is that he thought he was playing Thorn and then he came
• 24:25
  in and realized Neil McCarthy was and he was playing the sort
• 24:28
  of side character that has less interesting things to do and so
• 24:31
  he phones it in a bit. I don't think he's terrible.
• 24:34
  The material just ain't great. Yeah, no, I agree.
• 24:37
  I don't think it's a fantastic role for him.
• 24:41
  Whenever Tom's with them, I think it's very watchable
• 24:44
  because like, didn't he just put a cup of tea in his pocket?
• 24:48
  What was that all about? Oh my God.
• 24:50
  Bro I mean this is like Dylan and the SJW whiskey fans
• 24:57
  bringing back Chip North too. Chips, chips, chips, chips.
• 25:07
  Oh, look at it and you know what?
• 25:09
  You can just see all their asses as they're jumping about.
• 25:11
  It's just lovely. You've had a lot of flesh on
• 25:14
  display. Luke Malloy and Classic Who?
• 25:16
  It's quite nice for the taste. It's.
• 25:17
  Quite a flashy story, isn't it? Yeah, well, yeah, but not in any
• 25:20
  way you're going to enjoy it. I mean, bless them, they've all
• 25:24
  got hairy chests and all that horrible green paint all over
• 25:27
  it. They all this was filmed between
• 25:31
  5:00 PM and 3:00 AM. This scene and again night
• 25:35
  shoots in Doctor Who. Expensive.
• 25:38
  Expensive. They're still expensive now, but
• 25:40
  like, you know, you get them and Williams does a couple, doesn't
• 25:44
  it? He does this, He does Pendle.
• 25:47
  Pendle, he does. Is the sum in Stones of Blood
• 25:52
  or? I think it's day for night.
• 25:54
  It's don't have blood. There's another one, though
• 25:57
  we're forgetting one. I mean, obviously not horror
• 26:00
  Fang Rock, a lot of it's set at night, but it's all in the
• 26:03
  studio. It's all in Birmingham.
• 26:05
  But it, I mean, just just in the marsh in the dark, it looks
• 26:10
  really great as it looks really filmic.
• 26:12
  Yeah, yeah. And I know they're only, like,
• 26:15
  weird little huts, but they've done a good job at convincing
• 26:17
  you that this is a cool little, you know, alien village.
• 26:21
  Yeah, making it all green. I know.
• 26:25
  I really, I really believe it can.
• 26:26
  I can I make a joke about your cock?
• 26:30
  What stopped you before? Well, that's cool.
• 26:33
  Yeah. And I've told these days I've
• 26:34
  got to ask permission. I was just going to say Luke
• 26:39
  rises from the depths, but then you've got to scream like
• 26:43
  reminder at the end. All right.
• 26:45
  He often does I'm. Sure he can.
• 26:48
  Yeah, he's a bit of a. Screamer.
• 26:51
  But guys, I've been through all the Tom's costumes.
• 26:53
  Power of the Crow The power of. Cross the.
• 26:56
  Power of the doctor Power of coal is the first time you see
• 27:00
  this this coat there is a. That's insane to us.
• 27:03
  There's a similar one in the season before, but it's lighter.
• 27:06
  It's that one you get in the Android invasion.
• 27:09
  What's he wearing the invisible enemy then?
• 27:11
  It's a it's a lighter version, the one you.
• 27:13
  Get it? Might just be that, yeah.
• 27:14
  I literally do not care how bland this set looks because
• 27:17
  later on when that tentacle comes bursting out and drags him
• 27:21
  off down the tube, it's so. Great.
• 27:23
  Reminds me of a first data once went on.
• 27:25
  Have you? Oh really?
• 27:26
  You care to tell us about that? We can't talk about crawl due to
• 27:31
  as I called him, due to the legal reasons.
• 27:34
  Have any of you heard the commentary for this one?
• 27:36
  It is so great. It's Tom Baker and John Leeson,
• 27:39
  right? And Tom's just being a raconteur
• 27:43
  and telling his stories like he always does.
• 27:45
  And every time Crow appears, he just stops and goes, Oh yes,
• 27:50
  he's. Like.
• 27:52
  That he's having the best time. The entire season has some of
• 27:56
  the best commentaries, like as him and Mary Tam, and then isn't
• 28:00
  the one that's really dull and it's just, yeah, it's not got
• 28:03
  Tom on it. No, it's the Armageddon factor
• 28:05
  and literally Mary Tam says in episode 3.
• 28:08
  Oh my God, this is so. Boring Mary Tam gone too soon.
• 28:16
  I know. It's sad.
• 28:17
  We know we like obviously she did that season of Tom Baker
• 28:20
  audios, but we could have could have done with more, especially
• 28:23
  as it wasn't the best season. But I see.
• 28:25
  Fella working for the refinery that's.
• 28:27
  He's a slave. Why though?
• 28:29
  Yeah, he just gave him a slave. I wish he had a bit more to do
• 28:32
  like it could it could have like a nude Sigma role but instead he
• 28:37
  sort of falls away. After but look, the look is is
• 28:39
  is is a is a cheat. He's reporting back.
• 28:43
  I don't think they gave him to him.
• 28:44
  I think they were like, we're taking him because they're a
• 28:46
  lesser life form. And they've got big guns.
• 28:49
  Yeah, exactly. Whereas they've only got sticks.
• 28:51
  Doctor with well, he's on. Does that ever happened again?
• 28:55
  I don't think so. He's not in a bulk again though,
• 28:57
  is he? Or not to a full circle anyway.
• 29:00
  No, but he doesn't wear well, he's.
• 29:02
  That really does look like he's been shot in a bathtub.
• 29:04
  I'm sorry, boys. First and last time.
• 29:07
  Yeah, there is. I get you.
• 29:08
  I don't think it's bad model work, but there is something
• 29:11
  about it. It's the.
• 29:12
  Scale of it I don't know. Or the angle something's not
• 29:15
  working. Right, next game.
• 29:16
  Doctor Who in a canoe. Name of the Times.
• 29:19
  Oh. OK, Hang.
• 29:21
  On The Invasion episode 1. Yes.
• 29:24
  Oh, can just regular boat row boats count?
• 29:27
  No, if you want. How long is the wenchuang?
• 29:29
  Well if you go in row boats then the Sea Devils.
• 29:33
  No, that's that's too obvious. Has he got to use a paddle?
• 29:39
  Yeah, Andrew Tatara's got one right because K9 stuck in it.
• 29:43
  It's. Got a little boat, yeah.
• 29:44
  K9 Master. It's the one.
• 29:48
  There's the one in Vampires of Venice.
• 29:51
  The Doctor and Roy get on one in the dark.
• 29:54
  More of a gondola, isn't it I? Don't know it's dark.
• 29:58
  It's just left my mind that entire episode.
• 30:00
  So, well, Roy gets out a little torture, Matt Smith gets out a
• 30:04
  big like luminescent thing, and then they make a Dick joke.
• 30:07
  There must be. There must be about 15 minutes
• 30:11
  of location work in episode 1. Yeah.
• 30:13
  It looks so good, doesn't it? It's.
• 30:14
  Crazy, isn't it? Do you think Michael Hayes was
• 30:17
  sort of preparing the Armageddon factory, right?
• 30:19
  How much location work can I have?
• 30:21
  Oh, sorry, we spent it all last week.
• 30:26
  Tom, look at, look at just Tom going through those reads for a
• 30:29
  second. Doesn't he have presents?
• 30:31
  Doesn't he look great? I mean, he's, he's just
• 30:34
  incredible, isn't he? It's so watchable.
• 30:36
  It's what you said before. And in this season particularly,
• 30:39
  like whenever he's on screen, you're just like, yes, yes.
• 30:43
  Come on, look. Scream.
• 30:44
  Grow, grow, grow, grow. Grow.
• 30:47
  Grow your merry time. Grow, grow, grow, grow.
• 30:52
  Grow. Also.
• 30:59
  I, I, I mean, I guess we'll talk about the monster in the next
• 31:02
  episode, but I, I lot the way when she goes through there.
• 31:05
  I, I love the way the doors shut and most like this sort of
• 31:09
  they've made this sacrificial thing out of grass.
• 31:11
  I think it looks really cool. I think it's, don't you think
• 31:13
  the payoff though, because obviously it looks like a shit
• 31:17
  monster costume. Sorry, I mean chocolate.
• 31:20
  And the payoff in episode 2 is it's a man in a shit monster.
• 31:23
  Costume. Yeah, it's it's.
• 31:24
  Such a it's. Very method.
• 31:27
  I mean cocky licking, don't you? Yeah, very cocky licking.
• 31:32
  Well, how do you think that does as a scene sets up?
• 31:35
  It's a great, it's great. Actually.
• 31:36
  The worst bit is the opening bit.
• 31:38
  I hate stories that start without the doctor.
• 31:41
  So you have that little like little 2-3 minutes on the actual
• 31:44
  oil rig? Then you get the trouble in the
• 31:47
  80 cent. There's a lot of stories that
• 31:49
  start not on the. Yeah, and if there's two scenes
• 31:52
  back-to-back without the Doctor, that is unforgivable.
• 31:54
  You see, I like my stories to start without the doctor.
• 31:57
  Oh, yeah? Well, here's what it.
• 32:02
  Is there we go. Let's skip on into Episode 2.
• 32:06
  Show. We'll cut it there.
• 32:11
  Cut it there, yeah.