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NBA Show | December 29, 2023 | DraftKings DFS Picks, Plays and Process · Daily Fantasy Sports by Ship It Nation

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All system's going clear the lift up. What's up everyone? Tyler Tambaline here
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aka TOTEG and Tambo back here to talk some more NBA. Finally back in
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Ham My guy, We're back in the mix, gonna talk through it
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and I say this off the top. We get another one of these sweet
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spot slates where DK just cuts off these last couple games. And I'll say
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two things. One, it was like the worst setup. It would have
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been Memphis with all their stuff. It's got Portland, it had the Spurs,
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it's got all the Clippers, like the worst teams to deal with realistically,
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and so it's nice to see they're all cut off. But I just
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hit our discord up and I said, the Spurs just completely troll us.
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Usually, if it was on the main slate, we'd be waiting all day
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trying to figure out this Wemby news. Sure enough tonight. It's like as
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soon as they're not in the main slate, they just now, he's gonna
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be out tonight. Guys, go do figure your stuff out. It'll be
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good for other stuff we're doing. But in general, I thought that was
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kind of funny. What's going on, Haim? How was your holidays,
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buddy? Yeah, they were going good. And I was catching the tail
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end of this Clemson Kentucky game, which has been a good game for football,
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and now diving into some NBA holidays were good. NBA was was fun
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to watch on Christmas, NFL fun on Christmas, just exciting time of the
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year, holidays, ready to talk to this NBA and I see Hebrew.
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Yeah, I was just about to say that hebrews in there dogging me already.
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We hadn't even said anybody's name yet. I'm gonna screw a couple of
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names up, I'm sure, and I love me some negative value in there,
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So Hebrew appreciates you tuning in. We're getting all the h violence.
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It's always ham on hoop or hoop on ham now Hebrew on ham violence.
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And sometimes it's Tambo on title. I guess I don't know her title on
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tambo. But we always trying to have fun here. Hope you guys do
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too. Thank you guys for joining us. Smash that like on the way
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the time to get to six thousand, but we'll come up with it.
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Just got some news that Jalen Williams listed the j A y l I n
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Jalen Williams will be getting into the action there tonight. Good to go for
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Okac. I'll bring up the sOliver while we do this. But just give
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me your first thoughts here, Ham, what's your grand scheme over you?
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I think the big news is out of Boston, right, Yeah, no,
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And I'm with you. You know, don't have to you know,
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those last four four teams, two games, we don't have to deal with.
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You know, it's an hour and a half after lock, so that's
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nice. But yeah, I mean the big news is the Celtics with Tatum,
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with Holiday, with Jalen Brown who missed last night. You know,
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you and I were talking pre show. I think Holiday and Tatum both played
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over forty minutes last night and that thrilling overtime game against the mist And so
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that's the big news. What are those guys gonna do? We already know
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that Porzingis is doubtful, so he's probably out in being is out as he
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has been. You know what's gonna happen with Donnovan Mitchell? We know Mobley
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and Garland are out, so just a few pieces were waiting on. But
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I also think there's some good pieces to pick up along the way as well,
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So no one will believe me, but I got the shot. It
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just is funny because this is hilarious how it works. But there's a sight
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out there that does early payouts in the betting market. And the night before
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last, remember it was the Brooklyn game. Everyone's like, oh, this
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is the game, this is the one Detroit's gonna win. And I didn't
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really love it as much. I know it was like it made the most
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sense on paper, but I didn't like it as much because everyone was saying
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that, and we know, well, Brooklyn has no studs. All their
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guys like or what i'll call studs. At least they all their guys can
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show up and just make it work. And someone goes through thirty here and
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thirty there and whatever. So I didn't love it. It was like they
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were in it and then they were out of it. But that's fine.
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Last night was ten to one on the money line for Detroit to win that
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game over Boston. And I've talked about this plenty in the past. I
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know we'll get to Boston here a little bit when we get of the game.
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I said that the secret of the Boston Celtics, and especially of Jason
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Tatum, is if the game doesn't really matter and it's not something he could
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show off to that he's like the top guy in the league. Oh,
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if he's playing anybody from his draft class like a Donovan Mitchell or something,
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or if he's going up against somebody that's good that he has to prove himself
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to and prove to the league that he's the top guy. He will always
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do it. You saw him at the All Star Game when he won the
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MVP jack and shots left the right. It was him and Mitchell going back
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and forth. That game last night was not a game for him to get
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up for now. What had happened was Detroit went up twenty. So the
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first part of the story that sparks what's called the early payout. So I
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only put fifty bucks on it, but it got paid out at ten to
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one on that bet. Probably should have went and just piled it all back
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on the other side. But either way, but the only reason Tatum even
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came back in that game was because the same effect of his mindset, he
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doesn't want to get embarrassed by this team, so he ended up getting back
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into the mix. Other guys did more too. I'm just saying in general,
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I think that's the sequet of Jason Tatum and those Boston Celtics. We'll
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get more on that later when we get to the game. Shout out to
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our guy Jake all the others that are joining us here in Chad. I
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did want to bring up one thing though. I love what Sean says here.
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This is the cool part to me of the way they're setting these slates
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up now. Not only is it awesome for anyone playing the Classic slate,
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if you want to do both, you could still double dip your toes in
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this one. I'm gonna be involved in this Night slate as well. I
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love that there's big prize pools for that, and then you get more information
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by then and all that stuff too. So I really do like the way
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that they're setting it up for sure. I think that's a good setup for
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DraftKings. I like what we're getting so far. If you guys want to
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get it on the action over here, we'll show you quick projections ownership different
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projections from the rest of the industry. Key component being that, obviously,
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if you've got good projections and they're different, no site is gonna have projections
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that are gonna win every single night. So if you can have good projections
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that are different, you want to be involved in that on nights that the
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good nights are happening. Here, we're gonna have a lot of winners.
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We had somebody win. Our guy Ray Ray twenty one came in second in
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the Big Dog the other night for thirty K was one hundred k up top
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and literally had two blocks, two baskets and a rebound to go against him
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in the last minute of the game that cost him seventy K. I hope
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they didn't see that. They said they didn't check it till the morning,
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all that, but now they know. We got everything else covered here,
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our ceiling rankings, our correlation sheet, all that stuff. And then for
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those that can't play the main slate or don't like this because Joe's Madness says,
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I hate the split contest personally, but that's just me. I'm not
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sure what there would be the hate about it personally, But again, to
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each their own, but we do have you covered for showdown Core report there
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with our guy Rio all over it. He recheated. We just brought up
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projections, ownership breakdown a lot of people winning satellite seats and things like that
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from that. So it's a really good setup that we've got there. Let's
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just pull this up QuickCam and have a look for the main slate, got
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the eight games up. This is our partner, the solver, and just
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see our projections and the values tonight. Looks like Jokic, Yannis, who's
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probable, Sabonus, there's no emb on the opposite side here as well as
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uh, we'll see on Easan, but Easton's questionably looks like he'll play again
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like he did the other night. We'll have to see that. And then
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some other guys here. What's your first thoughts just looking at some of this
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stuff with our projections, any of this stand out for you? My first
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thought is, as you cut off the guy that's the best value on the
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slate, did you scroll down too far? No? You know what,
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I clicked it on the others, So go ahead. Sorry. Yes,
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Trey Young is at the very top, and I believe the ownership is gonna
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come with that too. Yeah. No, I mean, I mean obviously
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all these guys are studs in their own right. Uh. You know,
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great plays, a lot of great plays tonight. I mean Trey Young gets
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gets the Kings, you know, don't rank very highly against point guards.
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I mean you see the normal cast of characters up here, up here at
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the top. I think, uh, you know, we got Peyton Watson,
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who's gonna be popular again tonight. You know, shot at fourteen times
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last night. I think he's forty five hundred dollars for the Nuggets. So
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definitely some studs to pay up for. Then also some some Peyton Watson's of
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the world to uh to to get in our lineups as well. So we'll
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dive in as we go through these games. Yeah, I'll bring it up.
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I don't mind Joe's opinion on this one. He says, I like
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having the edge of the Lake games normally find This is his reason why he
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said he doesn't like the split contest, but normally find one or two really
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good plays in the Lake game. I would argue that just on the opposite
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of that, just to say I don't I like the point and that's fair.
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I just would argue that for the amount of nights you actually have that
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info that can go in your favor, it's there's also nights that you don't
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have no idea about what's going to happen, so you're already forced to cross
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off those spots anyway. So if you're playing a portfolio of lineups and you
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want to backload some, understand it from that perspective for sure. Again,
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there's still some late ter games tonight two hours after the slate starts, but
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just not going all the way to three and three and a half hours after
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it begins. So good, good takeaway there. I always like to hear
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other people's thoughts on how they're handling it, what they feel about what's going
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on across the industry. But let's get in to this and our guy go
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collect shout out to him. He says, Tambo is tonight the night to
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go the other side of Trey and get some Yeah, we'll see when we
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get there of what that play is and talk about it. But Fox could
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be in the mix, mate, you can always go opposite side. We'll
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see what we do there. Let's start though with Brooklyn Washington and get your
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thoughts on this one. Him. Yeah, should be a uh, should
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be a highly contested game in terms of uh, you know, total points
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scored, you know, pretty high, pretty high total between the two uh,
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you know coming in over at what two two, I believe somewhere in
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that neighborhood. So you're gonna see uh, quite a bit of fantasy points
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in this game. The the big talk right was was Brooklyn the other night
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is Michal Bridge is gonna play? How long he's gonna play? Not to
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beat that dead horse, but I think he's a good play tonight. My
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other my other uh Brooklyn player that I like, Nick Claxton at the center
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position. Uh, he's showing some good value. And then on the other
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side, uh, Kuzma would be my favorite, uh, my favorite wizard
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on that side. His price is a little high though at eight K,
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so gonna be a little bit lower on him than maybe most. But it's
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gonna be Bridges, It's gonna be Colaxtont for me. Those are my two
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favorites in this game. I don't know how much I'll be playing of them,
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but those would be my two favorites for sure. Yeah. The one
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I was thinking about was Gafford too, just because it's you know, he's
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still priced down lower than the other guys in this spot and at six K.
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Like I was just pulling this up to give a look again, it's
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not really gonna be your shots that you're getting it from. It's always gonna
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be from those boards and that. But realistically he's been just doing it plenty
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lately. Like all these spots here are all pretty good scores that he can
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put up. I'm not sure if people will be able to get there,
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just the way the slate sets up, and so there is some position scarcity
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things like that that you could look at, but I think just in general,
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it's an option tonight. I don't mind your other calls. I just
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always like we talk about this all the time. He's probably fine at seventy
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three hundred. I don't care about last game that all that stuff. We're
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not getting into every podcast or show that's talking about the unders and the bets
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and who cares. But he can definitely put up scores at this price tag.
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And some people don't like it because like it's still like it's seventy three
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hundred, he's only a floor guy, blah blah blah. But you still
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got a find somebody like this that you can get in there in your lineups
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tonight. So I kind of like Bridges Gafford, those would be the two
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that stand out for me here. Let's move on, Let's go to New
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York and Orlando. First thoughts on this one, and what do you got
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with in this game? Pretty tight, you know start as the spread is
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pretty close and could be a good game here. What's your thoughts on this
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one? Yes, it's to me this is more of a good real life
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game than it is a good you know, fantasy purposes. These Knicks games
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not typically uh you know, maybe have one or two at the most,
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but you know, the Knicks generally aren't aren't fantasy abundant. I mean,
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you have Rando obviously you could play. You have Brunson that you could play.
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I think this is a good real life game, I think, but
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lower you know, slower, lower pace. I mean it would be those
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top four that you see there that I would have interest in. But I
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will probably not have any of these on my main team, just based on
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the fact that I think there's other places to go, and Randall and Brutson
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they're just so high in price. I think I'll probably pass on them.
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Yeah, you can get some games out of Franz, but the other stuff
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is, like you said, just the price matters, right, that's kind
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of the difference, so you can pick and choose your spots within this one.
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But I scrolled it down for you. I wasn't sure if you were
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gonna get Josh Harden there, Evencenzo, Like I thought you'd be going down
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to the board. Anthony Black, by the way, don't forget now what
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was it the other night he couldn't miss a shot two nights ago, nine
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for thirteen with four for six from three just made pretty much everything that night.
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But what what's your thoughts on the setup of looking at it from you
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know, the other guys down here, anybody that you usually liked that you
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could get into. I mean, yeah, it would be DiVincenzo for me
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at that price forty seven hundred. I mean some of the stuff I look
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at over here at ship a Nation, you know, saying that he's looks
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looking good, he would be my favorite. I mean, I think Anthony
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Black when he was doing that the other night, that was kind of a
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one off. And I think for the most part, you know, he's
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gonna play his customary, you know, twenty minutes, and it's gonna be
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a lot of uh Cole Anthony, you know, coming in for him.
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So no Black for me, if I was going this this low, we're
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not quite to the red in the in the value. So I'll get the
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last orange there, that last orange base, and I'll say Dotte Davis Chinzo
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is my favorite, my favorite nick you know down there. Yeah, probably
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just as good as playing KCP had a bunch more money when we get to
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that spot in a little bit. But uh, just to note, because
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Ross asked, yeah, I mean you can look at it here, go
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over. We're talking main Slate's always on the show. That's all it's about.
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We don't have any secret edge there or anything like that. What I
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would say our edge is gonna be is pretty straightforward, like I always will
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tell you, it's in the projections. The projections will be updated. We
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update them all throughout the night. Our guy Boomers on top of it for
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every single thing that happens. And then on top of it, it's each
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game slate that goes with it as well, so he's updating it every game
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set, so it'll be updated well before that last one to get you all
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the pertinent information that you need. Our guy Hebrew's gonna cover stuff off,
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probably in the discord and then also on the showdown Core report, it'll at
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least cover one of those games where you can get one side of the action
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if you do want that, and then we're in the discord covering it as
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well, So got to keep it that way. And our guy Bader,
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he's a big New York guy, had some takes on the Jets last night.
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What do you say here now? Lots of talk with the Knicks giving
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IQ more minutes? Where do we have him on the chart down here?
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What's he been up to? To me though, it's just tough for him.
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Like I think he's a really good player in general, but with Bronson
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and Randall and even RJ. Barrett, he's like the fourth option. I
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mean it's I think he's great if one of those were to miss, but
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he just doesn't play enough for me. Yeah, one of the things about
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it is for sure that and I mean that's you know, great about him
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getting more minutes. I can already see like here maybe even if he gets
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even more. The problem is some of what you'd want here, like let's
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say you got him to thirty, it's kind of let's say you got this
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to twenty five, this to twenty eight, and I mean just examples you're
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also got a guy shooting seven that he needs to be knocking things down.
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It's, you know, pretty much irrelevant everywhere else what he does. I
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do like him as a player talent. I'd like him a lot more when
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one of these guys are out that he can hop in versus like a Ando
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Brunson Barrett, where he can pick up some steam that way. Then I
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got a little bit more love for the spot. But I have no problem
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as a tournament play if you wanted to go there. Devincenzo's down there,
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like you mentioned as well, He's a negative value right now, but definitely
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could see get in on the action there. You had me into that one,
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though, Tam, but I wasn't gonna say Dante, and he made
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me say somebody with negative values, so that one can't go on my ledger
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that I like Dante. DEVI you can like him. I bet you Hebrew
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would bring him up. Hebrew already talked about it up here and said Young
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and Sabonis. I don't know where he got that information, but I know
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Devincenzo might be popping there as well, so we'll keep it inside. But
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Toronto and Boston, this is the big one. We have to talk if
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this then that right, Like, I'm gonna pull it up here again just
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from a couple other angles to see. I don't think we've got any updates
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since we've been on the show on this. I know we'll get some stuff
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as we get closer to the slate starting. It's only the second set,
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just half hour after tip for Locke, but it is still questionable that what
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is that back to back for he won and forty three minute games for Tatum.
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I know Brown set out last night mentioned that earlier. I know Porzingis
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is already doubtful, and then Holiday is going on forty four and thirty eight
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minutes in the last two games as well. So I'm not sure how this
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one actually does play. Do you have a read on this or anybody in
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the chat talking about it thinking about how this one actually plays out, what
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you think ends up happening. Because Derek White was just going off last night
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too, so maybe they feel comfortable with where they're at with sitting Tatum tonight.
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I'm just not sure how they're actually gonna do it. Yeah, I
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mean I think, I mean, obviously, you know, I don't know
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one hundred percent, but I think I do think Porzinga sits, and he's
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already what doubtful, and with his his his injury history, I think I
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do think they'll sit him tonight. I mean, he was he was pretty
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dynamite in that fourth quarter in overtime last night. He played a bunch of
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minutes as well, So I do think he sits. And Derek White,
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I mean, goodness, gracious, they got they got him basically free from
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the Spurs and he's just been you know, some people think it's an All
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Star this year. He's having a tremendous year. So the if game,
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if Jason Tatum sits, I think Derek White is a must start, assuming
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he plays. Obviously, even with Brown and Holiday, I think Derek White
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is gonna get up twenty plus shots. Uh. He can do a lot
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of the other things as well. I think I was watching that game last
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night, and you know he has I think like five blocks in the last
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two games. I mean to get block shots, he can get rebound steals.
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He can do so many different things. And I really like Derek White,
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especially if Jason Tatum sits. Even if if Drew or Jalen Brown sits
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one of those, I would still like Derek White. Really like Derek White
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tonight, assuming obviously Porzinga sitting and then one of the other big three I
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really liked them. And then you know, coming into some of these,
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you know, lower priced guys, and then I'm gonna mess this guy's name
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up. His nimus quita. Guy that forty four hundred should get some more
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minutes with. With Porzingis out, Horford has been rolled out as well,
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so those two are are already ruled out. Peyton Pritchard, you know,
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good price on him, forty nine hundred. And then on the other side,
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my boy, I've changed my tune on my boy OG and Nanobi,
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that guy the other night was just absolutely dynamite. I forget who they played,
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maybe it was the Magic that they played the other night, but I
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like OG. I think Scottie Barnes is a great play tonight, and I
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don't mind Siaka, but I would say Og and Scotty Barnes are my two
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favorite raptors. And then, like I said, really like Derek White.
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If one of the big three are sitting out, assuming for Zingis is already
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going to be out, I'm just trying to see her too. I don't
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think I like og as much. I think I can get behind Scotty,
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but man, even Scotty big boy price tag tonight nine K. I don't
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people always say this about him, Like I think that some people don't think
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that's big at all because he can put up these fifty nines and stuff like
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that. But I mean, you he almost need it once you get to
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nine k, right, Like that's kind of where you got to get to
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to get some actions. So it's like, it's fine, that's why I'm
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playing. I'm like, I'm good with him playing, But I just would
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say, is not like this is not my favorite spot. Now. What
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happens here is when we get the news, then it becomes more of a
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good spot, and that's why everyone will hop on it at that point.
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So we'll have to wait and see how that goes. But it's because it's
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to me, here's a better way to explain this. This is only a
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good spot if these injuries happen, and that's the only thing that makes it
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a good spot. I know that's what people think. Every day is in
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an nbadfes, But we have an eight game slate here. There is gonna
20:22
be other spots that we can go, there's other price points and guys at
20:26
those price points that we like, So we'll see how it actually ends up
20:30
shaking out. But I wonder what it's gonna look like when we actually get
20:33
the game time. I will say on Derek White, people try and say
20:36
this, but like these are not like, okay, fine, ten for
20:38
thirteen. The rest are just pretty standard shooting nights. We're fine, that's
20:42
good. The other stuff pretty similar. Getting a similar number of rebounds every
20:47
game, a similar number of assists every game. The block, Oh but
20:49
it's all the blocks. He gets two every game two one, I mean
20:55
one and zero two two. Again, Like it's just it's very consistent with
20:59
what we're getting out of them. But I think people just don't love this
21:02
price tag. Now, obviously this guy gets boosted up the minute we get
21:04
one person ruled out. This is a key point. Shout out to my
21:07
guy Parabay, the man always coming through with the good stuff. That is
21:11
crucial, and I don't again, I don't think that's why. I don't
21:15
think people think about that enough. But that does matter. Right, you
21:17
get the dual position eligibility, you can then do so much more within your
21:21
lineups. On draftings, and I think that's a bigger piece that you got
21:23
to keep in mind when you're doing it. And then Golcalac says it too.
21:27
I actually have no problem with that. Once you get invested in,
21:30
you almost may as well go all the way. And that's funny enough,
21:33
as not a lot of people do that. They'll say, oh, you
21:34
know what, I'm gonna play the two best value plays and make that fit
21:37
everything else. Can it work, absolutely, But sometimes you see it where
21:41
it's like if this then that, well, if you're playing these all these
21:44
value plays and you think they're gonna stick in the game and play it out
21:47
and have everything else happen, then I would want something off the other side.
21:51
I would feel better about that. We got some really good comments coming
21:53
in, so I'm just gonna keep looking at them here. But our guy
21:56
Parabay back here was looking at stuff too. Delano Benton start and keeping Pritchard
22:00
off the bench. He just starting at the center with I think with those
22:03
those Celtics, I mean I was all over Sam Hauser last night, you
22:08
know, with no Jalen Brown, and he played like seventeen minutes. It's
22:11
just they have so many dudes on that Celtics team that command the ball and
22:18
that are gonna get the shots up. It's tough for a Houser, for
22:22
a Pritcher, you know, for a Delano guy, whatever, it's tough
22:26
for them. I mean, I understand if they're like you know, men
22:30
price, they can get to twenty five, but man, it's tough for
22:33
them to get much higher than that. And I'm not saying it can happen,
22:36
but I'd rather have the Derek Whites of the world that Tatum sits his
22:40
usage. He's just gonna go up and as opposed to a Houser, And
22:42
I get it, there's price involved in everything. But yeah, we saw
22:45
this, love, we see this all the time. Point Scott, he's
22:48
a real thing. ParaBody knows this as the most but it's like, yeah,
22:49
we saw them roll out that lineup last game, So that's awesome to
22:52
see there. Again, maybe like it definitely adds to it. It helps,
22:56
but again, when he's almost nine k you still have to consider the
22:59
rest. So this is usually true as well. Again, don't know what
23:02
we're going to see happen just yet. Speaking of Derek White though, Zamir
23:04
White Football conversation right quick, Josh Jacobs doubtful for this week. So Zamir
23:10
White could become a really good play overall DraftKings there. But we'll get back
23:14
to basketball here. Let me see. He was another one. I just
23:15
brought this up. Yeah, Gary Trent. They started Gary Trent for Shrewder
23:21
the other night and and Gary Trent still only played mid twenties minutes. I
23:26
don't mind Gary Trent, and he has starting that's a good price on him.
23:29
They sing the gel a little bit, a little bit better together the
23:32
other night, so I definitely don't mind Gary Trent. Would not go to
23:34
Shrewder, but any of those starting five I think would be. Okay,
23:40
you don't like Og. I'm a little higher on Og than you are.
23:42
I think he had a really good game to the night. I think that
23:45
continues tonight. Yeah. Could. I've definitely got no problem moving around some
23:48
of these other guys you're talking about two nights ago with him again, just
23:52
similar stuff with Og. It's always the same thing, right, Like he's
23:53
gonna be a floor ish type play. I guess that the savings is what
23:59
matters, right. He's a different position and much cheaper than a guy like
24:02
Derek White. But not nearly as consistent. Really needs that shot to go
24:06
down if he's not getting his usual peripherals, which is what we're playing him
24:08
for. So I was again, that's just a biased thing for me,
24:11
but I was like, og better on FanDuel with their scoring, he's usually
24:15
a fair price or a cheap price. Good with that. Go from there.
24:19
We're good on We're good on White. We talked about him enough.
24:22
I think he's fine. Someone did say, cool hands, shout out the
24:23
cool hands always her supporting, appreciate you said one of the best floor plays
24:27
and get hit forty plus two. They didn't want to. Yeah, you're
24:30
probably been raking at least on him. We just I know you have me
24:33
because we saw the numbers. But again, you don't just see everybody tack
24:36
on. It's also like people look at it and go the price. Shut
24:38
it again to my guy Parabay, who always says this, and I'll bring
24:41
it up again because different people watch different shows. But he says, look
24:45
at the it's not the you can get the value from a guy even if
24:48
his price is seventy six hundred, it's how valuable is he to the slate
24:52
at that price point? Like someone said, I think it was cool.
24:55
Hands again, take your forty points and move on that. That can matter.
24:59
And then people are talking about the second half. What if he has
25:00
a better first half. There's lots to talk about here. We'll see how
25:03
it shakes out as the news comes out further. Yeah, let me just
25:07
say this real quick. This is a good call too for both of you
25:11
guys. Yeah, I like that one. Yeah, I mean I think
25:15
and once again, I don't know. I think for Zingis is definitely out.
25:17
I think one of Holiday or Tatum sit as well. I would rather
25:22
have Tatum sit than Holiday. If Tatum sits, it's it's Derek White for
25:26
sure. You know, no matter what the price, seventy six hundred,
25:30
he's going to pay that off. If Tatum sits, I can just I
25:34
just think you will. Yeah, I'm good with that. And again,
25:37
like what they're saying, we're assuming stuff we have to on a show like
25:40
this. When we run it this way, obviously, we'll have you guys
25:41
covered completely. As I mentioned before, we'll have it in the projections for
25:45
NBA. We've got you up to lock for those, and then game set
25:48
by game set, everything that comes up throughout the night all the updates.
25:51
We're in the discord NonStop. There's still people in the discord watching this right
25:55
now talking through stuff, and then you go to all the other other coverage
25:57
that will have, so we'll get you covered over there for everything you need.
26:00
As we lead up to lock, let's move on. We spent a
26:03
lot of time in that game for good reason. It definitely sets this slight
26:06
up, but again we don't know right like this matters for sure, yes,
26:11
but we don't know right now. So it's like that's the difference.
26:14
You could plug him in if you want it instead of somebody else. He's
26:17
only eighty five hundred. Definitely got no problem with that. If Drew Holiday
26:19
plays could play him. There's lots of different ways to go within this game,
26:23
but we need the news. That's kind of the most important stuff.
26:26
We've got the news here for this next one. Yeah, but this was
26:29
for Josie Girl had asked about the Boston Center, our guy Para Bay coming
26:33
through. Appreciate that. So let's talk through this next one here. We
26:36
mentioned at the top, our guy Hebrew mentioned it, Trey Young Sabonis.
26:40
Both looked like really good plays, but definitely expensive to afford. Them both
26:45
and then go collect mention. What if you want to play Fox on the
26:48
other side of Young, you could play Murray at seventy seven hundred and just
26:52
hope for the best. There's lots of different ways I think you could play
26:55
this game. Let's talk through this one. This is a good one here
26:57
on paper, big time total, close spread, looks like a really good
27:00
game to attack. Yeah. I feel like we had a Pacers total that
27:06
was like two fifty a couple of months ago or a month ago, and
27:08
people were freaking out that they've never seen it. Now, I feel like
27:11
we've seen it all the time. We don't, but just feels that way.
27:14
This should be an exciting game, back and forth game. Let's just
27:18
start at the top. Trey Young, great play tonight. Obviously our number
27:22
one value on the entire slate. I think he's got a great matchup King's
27:26
bottom third as relates to guarding the point guard, as it relates to fantasy
27:30
points. Sabonis great, great great spot as well. On the other side
27:34
at the center position. Some of the other guys that I don't want to
27:37
touch on that you know, maybe you know, people are aren't talking about
27:41
Jalen Johnson. Really like Jalen Johnson to Night sixty three hundred, great price
27:47
tag on him. So really like Jalen Johnson. As it relates to de
27:51
Aaron Fox, I think I'm out on Daron Fox. Just looking at the
27:56
way the Hawks guard point guards. I think they're a little stingier on point
27:59
guards, which generally means he's he goes he's gonna get Deontay Murray. Uh.
28:03
So I'm out on Fox. Uh. I mean, I think that's
28:07
a good contrarian ployee if you want to do that in a tournament. And
28:10
then and then lastly for the Kings, Keegan Murray, I see he's shown
28:15
a little bit of positive value. Don't mind Keegan Murray there. I think
28:18
Malik Monk is fine. And then talk about your boy Kevin Herder coming back
28:22
home to the atl to take on his former mate. So I don't like
28:26
Kevin Herder, but he is coming home tonight. I don't know he is
28:29
he even on there? Yeah, he's way down the rat We found him.
28:34
No, we talked on him last Friday, like, yeah, if
28:37
you want your twenty points, yeah, go ahead, click Kevin Hurder.
28:38
I don't like Kevin Hurder. I was just saying that. But I do
28:41
like Trey Young, I do like Sabonis, I do like Jalen Johnson,
28:45
I do like Keegan Murray. I am out on Daron Fox tonight. Interested
28:48
to hear your take on Fox. He was the one guy though that I
28:52
think of that night. It was our guy newhis I saw him in the
28:55
chat earlier. He had three guys. I was correct on two of them
28:59
and then and I think Herder was the guy he said, will give him
29:02
the pass because I think it was like five K and got just over five
29:06
x. So shout out to Jordan. But this game, obviously, like
29:11
those two guys at the top, Jalen Johnson, I know Hebrew just got
29:14
excited. This has always been Hebrew's boy. He's mentioned them a couple of
29:17
times since the start of the season. Remember, he was just coming back,
29:19
right I believe this was his first game back from a while, and
29:22
he came out and did just fine. I think we could even see a
29:26
little bump in those minutes. I see a bunch. What I will say,
29:29
is this even Murray fine? But like you'll see, they're all pretty
29:33
solid values over here, and they're all in that price tag that I'm not
29:37
sure as many people are going to be excited about, but I think a
29:41
lot of these guys from Monk up to Murray can actually make a lot of
29:45
mistakes and still get away with it. On this slate again, just talking
29:48
about if this game goes how you think it goes, and we get the
29:52
back and forth, as ugly as it is or as balanced as it is,
29:56
or however you want to look at it, I think there's an angle
29:57
here just to take on a bunch of du dudes in this game and overstack
30:00
your lineup with all these guys and just hope that you know, the game
30:06
goes the way it's supposed to, because then they can make mistakes, right
30:07
you say, oh, but they still need to do a lot. At
30:10
sixty one, sixty three, sixty five with the total and the back and
30:14
forth, I think you could see a spot where you just still see a
30:17
bunch of them come through, and people at the end of the night just
30:18
go oh, all those balanced guys that I didn't want to play because I
30:22
felt like it was just a little bit imagine this him. Imagine here that
30:26
it was fifty nine, fifty nine, fifty eight, fifty two and it's
30:32
not, and I understand we play a salary game, but I'm just saying
30:34
you can put a bunch of these guys in your lineup and play it out
30:38
that way and get there. Still, I think Johnson's my favorite. I
30:41
don't mind a Monk or a Murray. I can definitely play a guy like
30:45
Murray instead of Trey Young. I like Young and Simonis the most, and
30:48
there's gonna be ways to fit them with value. But I definitely think that
30:52
you can put a bunch of these guys into your lineups and you'd be good
30:55
to go. Yeah, I mean, I mean the Hawks have one of
30:57
the worst, the worst defenses versus centers all the season, you know,
31:02
probably bottom you know, bottom five, So Sabonis is in for a smash
31:06
spot. I think you got a triple double last game or the game before
31:08
that. He's had a couple. I'll stay over the last two weeks,
31:11
so I'll think Sabonis in a smash five. I mean, we obviously have
31:14
Jokic on the slate as well in a pretty good matchup against Chet that we'll
31:17
get to. So Centner's going to be interesting. I don't think, uh
31:19
or maybe you probably could fit Sabonus and Jokichen somehow it'd be tough, but
31:26
uh, Sabonis is a great play tonight. Yeah, down to five point
31:30
one k just like that. So I mean, that's really how you got
31:32
to look at it and see how you want to go about it. This
31:33
is you need to fill out a lot of your lineup with this. And
31:37
again just showing an example, but like I think, I mean, I
31:41
mean, I mean not we we talked about all the time, but I
31:44
mean Sabonus is gonna be higher than two percent own two. Yeah, the
31:48
ownership is obviously not there right now that you're seeing, but just in general,
31:52
this is less than five point one, very obvious. But just to
31:53
show it, like a quick example, here a couple of ways that you
31:56
could go about it where you almost get to the same number, but you've
32:00
now got five guys in your lineup as opposed to two, and you're filling
32:04
it out within this spot. So I just I got no problem with that
32:07
on any given slate, especially on a slate like this, though I see
32:09
it where it's definitely an opportunity. So I don't know what the final ownership
32:14
will be on game stacks or anything like that, but I definitely think that
32:16
we could set it up that way and get away with it and then just
32:19
pick one of those guys there. So let's move on. Let's go to
32:22
this next one here. I think we're still waiting on Mitchell news. I
32:27
know that Giannis was probable when I last looked. It looks like I don't
32:31
like Mitchell man this has been a while and says he's like four games due
32:35
to an illness. I'm not sure what's going on exactly, but just looking
32:37
at it here, I mean, he's ninety five hundred. What's your thoughts
32:40
on this one? Hear him? This game is in Cleveland, Yeah,
32:43
obviously missing Mobley, obviously missing Garland. I mean I think Donovan Mitchell,
32:49
you know, at home six point dogs, if he plays, he's just
32:53
gonna have to carry the load. I mean, just looking at those guys
32:57
and who else is gonna score on this team? Let me carris the vertical
33:00
score a little bit. Uh So, I think Donovan Mitchell is squarely in
33:04
play against this Bucks team that has honestly struggled guarding point guards all season long.
33:09
Donovan Mitchell, a volume shooter of volume score, hasn't played in a
33:15
while and I would love to see if there's gonna be a minute restriction on
33:16
him if if he if he does play, But really like Donovan Mitchell tonight.
33:24
And I'm nervous to mention this guy because I haven't seen him yet,
33:29
But should Mitchell sit Craig Porter Junior? Is he whereas I don't even see
33:32
him on there? He was here, Yeah, there's no way he's Yeah,
33:38
this isn't this isn't updated right now or something change. And we just
33:43
looked at a pre show when we were talking about some of the pre stuff.
33:45
I saw him better than this as well. But yeah, obviously it
33:47
would be a total different story anyway, the updates will come in well before
33:51
Locke if the situation is that Mitchell is out, So yeah, you're really
33:54
have a projective for ten points. That's why he's down there. That's why
33:58
he's down there. So yeah, so I think if Mitchell sits, I
34:00
mean Craig Porter Junior obviously comes into a great play as well. We saw
34:05
what Jared Allen did. I mean, obviously it's a little bit different matchup
34:07
than the other night. Jared Allen think what twenty four and twenty three the
34:10
other night so wouldn't mind him if Mitchell said, but I think Mitchell squarely
34:15
in play, assuming he plays, obviously. Then on the other side,
34:19
my favorite or one of my favorite bucks is gonna be Brook Lopez at the
34:23
center position. I think he comes in super low O, but I think
34:27
he can still get the job done. Fifty six hundred. Don't mind him
34:30
at all, But it's Donovan Mitchell for me, assuming he does play.
34:35
And how much do you like him versus the others on the slate? Because
34:37
here's the thing, like people are thinking that he's going to play, like
34:40
you don't expect an illness to linger this long. Obviously it can, but
34:45
just in comparison and going back like he's four hundred bucks less than Trey for
34:49
example, here, how would you rate him on the slate? Trey is
34:52
at the top of our values. But where do you put Donovan Mitchell versus
34:54
the others? He's he's top two and I really like because there's there's nobody
35:00
else to take away from him. Right. What I mean by that is
35:05
Trey Young has has Deontay Murray that's gonna get shots, Jayalen Johnson, other
35:09
dudes when push comes to shove Donovan Mitchell's gonna shoot at thirty times assuming this
35:14
game's close. There's just nobody else. There's no other quote unquote you know,
35:19
superstar to pair him with in terms of he's their dude. He's gonna
35:23
shoot at thirty times assuming it's close. As so many plays, I like
35:27
Donovan Mitchell lots, and I a little bit more than Trey Young on this
35:30
slate, and I do want to thay quick too. Just from people watching.
35:32
I know some members are watching, some outsiders are watching. Wonder what
35:36
I'm doing here just to show it off, like I'm this is not right.
35:38
I'm just showing you an example. But I know oftentimes people sit in
35:42
the discord and wait. We get it updated as fast as humanly possible to
35:45
get it done. Our guy boomers all over it. But it's like the
35:47
setup of oh, but I'm waiting around, I don't know what to do.
35:51
Like everyone knows CPJ is a great play. If this then that,
35:53
like if Donovan Mitchell's out, you would move to CPJA if you just want
35:57
to see what he does for your line or your pool while you're still waiting.
36:00
It's only gonna be a couple of minutes. Longer, but you can
36:02
easily just go adjust the projection, throw them in and then see what happens.
36:07
Because of that, like you can change it all down. You can
36:08
go zero thirty five. I know, other stuff disperses, so it won't
36:12
be exactly right. But if you're just trying to see how to get them
36:15
into your lineup so what it would end up looking like and start comparing early
36:17
on, you could definitely do that as you're going through it. We just
36:21
got the latest update too, I just saw it pop in here, so
36:24
essentially again no change because we don't have any change yet on Mitchell, but
36:28
just to see. Also, when you guys are a partner with our projections,
36:30
and obviously I'm a I get to be a member too at my own
36:34
site. So when you go here, I got the ship a Nation projections,
36:37
it just shows up automatically like that while we're live on here. That
36:40
it sets it up that you can bring it in and get the automatic SYNCD
36:45
numbers for both the projections and for the ownership as well. Just does it
36:49
automatically for you sit on to copy, baste, run csvs, over all
36:52
this other stuff. So keep that in mind you guys are looking to get
36:55
it. What about your take on Mitchell versus the field or Trey Young or
37:00
in any of those other guys. What's No, I'm not really in love
37:01
with him. I think, like I said, he's gonna chuck. I
37:05
guess like if you land on him there, I'm gonna try and get to
37:07
Trey Young though at that point, or I'm gonna just build my lineups more
37:10
balanced than that, because I'll tell you what, We've done this the whole
37:14
show already. We only got two more games to go, about thirty eight
37:16
thirty five to forty minutes in. This is the thing. I had to
37:21
just laugh, my guy, Jason, Wow, how did Tamba get the
37:22
ship of nation projections? He must know someone lucky me, you know exactly
37:25
so uh. You know. The funny part is, though, is just
37:29
set up like you said, so far Ham no real value right, Like
37:31
we gotta wait, We're gonna wait, We're gonna see what happens in Boston.
37:35
We're gonna see all this stuff to see how it plays out. But
37:37
even when it does, like, what are all the backup? When we
37:39
talked about Boston, we talked about going to Derek White at seventy six hundred.
37:44
We didn't actually talk about cheap value. So back to again give my
37:46
guy parabaa shut out one more time on this there's not necessarily there's There could
37:51
be lots of value on this slate, but I don't know about a lot
37:54
of cheap value on this slate. We haven't seen it yet without feeling like
37:58
we're forcing it. Maybe our new ones can throw some some super cheap plays
38:01
in there that I can make fun of, but I'll have the luggets yet.
38:05
That's why you don't see the cheap value. You got one guy there.
38:07
Though you got one guy, he gets you an extra two or three
38:09
hundred bucks average on your six more or five or spots that you need to
38:14
fill out on your Saboni's Trey Young lineup. So we'll see what that's gonna
38:17
look like. King of Smack comes right in with the smack down. He
38:21
says, Sabona's gonna get in foul trouble early. I like lyles to crush.
38:24
It's always nice to build for uh for what about if this happens.
38:30
Can definitely do it in basketball, But it's it's tricky trying to look for
38:32
these blow outs things like that. I tend to agree with Jason here,
38:36
and I know he's saying maybe, but he comes to with a bunch of
38:37
good calls in our discord, and I definitely like that one right now as
38:40
well. I think we're thinking the same way on this slate. Get around
38:44
it that way, and you could end up being different while people are trying
38:46
to force stuff. Even that you know what it is, right, that's
38:49
what is hamm. The next day the discords loaded, Oh this one three
38:52
K guy screwed me. It's the same thing as the parlay players. Oh
38:57
I had I had a bet last night. I needed just one more thing
39:00
to happen. Oh let's see the let's see the slip. Yeah, you
39:02
picked eight plays to go your way and seven out of eight did. Guess
39:07
what. That happens a lot, my friend, because you're trying to force
39:09
too much. That ends up happening a lot in dfs where people say,
39:14
oh I had all this right of just this three three K guy came through.
39:16
No shit, everybody has that every day in their lineup squares. If
39:21
this I would have won it all or this two v two. But it's
39:23
about process and building accordingly to what the slate gives you. It's every slate
39:29
is different. The slate dynamics. Like I said, we got injury and
39:32
rest potential, but it's not actually breeding a ton of incredible value plays right
39:37
now to me that are cheap. It's breeding value plays that are solid on
39:42
the slate in the mid tier range that can make that happen. So we
39:45
I have to see how that goes. But let's talk about this next one
39:49
Philly Houston. I think Ethan is the only thing we're waiting on. Obviously,
39:53
some guys already out being the big one EMBIID I think it's this third
39:57
game straight now. But let's talk about this next one here with Philly and
40:00
Houston. Yeah, so yeah, it beats the big one. Dylan Brooks
40:05
Fellow Canadian Dylan Brooks is out. Jabari Smith Junior is out. I don't
40:09
think that's pretty big news. He's uh, you know, had a decent,
40:13
decent season so far. But uh, my favorite play out of out
40:16
of all this game is gonna be Tyrese Maxey. Really like tyree'se tonight going
40:21
up against this Rockets team who's you know, known for their defense, I
40:25
guess if you will, but you know, missing two starters and Dylan,
40:28
the villain, who is one of their better defenders. I don't know if
40:30
he would necessarily be guarding Maxie, but uh, they've been known as a
40:34
defensive team this season. I think Maxie gets a big bomb. I mean,
40:37
if you'll click him. I mean he talk about chuck and this guy's
40:40
chucking without embiid. I really like Maxie tonight at nine K. I think
40:45
he can pay off that price tag. But once again we're talking about we're
40:49
talking about dudes that you know are nine K ninety five hundred. Me,
40:52
You're gonna have to find some value out there somewhere. So he would be
40:55
my favorite seventy six er. Tobias Harris is Proba is getting up there.
41:00
My Tobias Harris call last Friday to much of the chagrine of Tambo was was
41:07
crushing it last last Friday. I don't mind Harris, We've seen his usage
41:12
go up over the last week with no mb Those would be my favorite two,
41:17
my favorite two sixers. And then yeah, I mean Sengoon very nice
41:22
play, you know, going up against Paul Reid. I don't mind that.
41:25
I probably won't get there, just with the fact that we have Sabonis
41:28
and Jokic on this slate. Tari Easton sixty three hundred's a good play,
41:32
assuming he assuming he does play, which I believe he did the other night.
41:37
But it's maxy For me. It's Harris number two and then maybe Sengoon
41:40
or Easton as a bringback if I wanted to go there for the Rockets.
41:45
I just went to our ceiling rankings real quick, just to look at something,
41:47
and just interesting one that popped off the page to me. I know
41:50
it's a smaller sample these obviously, as I always say, part of the
41:53
soft launch over at ship at nation dot com. They'll get better with time,
41:57
like a fine line if you will. But if you look at Young
42:00
at ninety nine hundred, because I was looking like I like MAXI. I
42:02
think I actually like Maxi more than Mitchell, to be honest, just because
42:06
the spot and like you said, he's chucking. I know they gotta go
42:08
down for him, but at that case, I don't mind it at nine
42:10
K. But Trey Young, seven out of ten games, has gone five
42:15
x his price at ninety nine hundred or more. He's played ten games being
42:19
ninety nine hundred dollars or more and went five x in seventy percent of them,
42:22
So, uh, you gotta feel good about that. On an eight
42:24
game slate, you need a little more ceiling, or you'd want a little
42:28
more ceiling, I should say, don't need it. You don't know what
42:30
the slate's gonna bring, but you'd want it. But man, even twenty
42:32
percent of the time he's hit six x So that's better than most of those
42:36
other guys in that range by far. So I got no problem just thinking
42:38
back to that one, even although he's gonna be more owned just eating that
42:43
chalk. Hey, hey, Tambo, your boy, your boy Nuance is
42:46
up to it again. Once he got your boy, Newman's up to it
42:50
again. With Jhonte he finally did it. He said he ain't gonna slander
42:53
his name, and then he puts it in here. Where's this that?
42:57
Let me go back? Jay Shante, don't do it new He said,
43:00
Newing's name will not take this slander. But he's gonna have to again because
43:04
look at this guy. Imagine this forty five hundred bucks. You better hope
43:07
Easton's out. You better hope Easton's out for the whole team's out. And
43:12
then if you might get four shots up tonight news. Your boy might get
43:17
four shots up tonight, and man, you better hope it's a rebound game
43:22
better than two five one Like this, Man, this guy just gotta be
43:25
I don't know, we'll see people love it, but I can't get to
43:29
these things. Man, there's other plays on the site. Start at the
43:31
other night and got like twelve points. Like I think he's gonna get off
43:36
the hook. I think Eastan's gonna come through anyway, but we'll have to
43:39
wait and see if he tries to do this. But going back to the
43:42
chat, I mean, we gotta give somebody else where's this one at.
43:45
I looked at this one earlier under eight K. Van Vliet is money they're
43:50
gonna have that bump Tait out there instead of Smith. I believe the second
43:52
part probably is true. And I like Tokyo always a good dude. But
43:54
man, and he agrees with me on this one. The cheeks is what
43:59
we talk about him. There's still the chat knows this Banton. We talked
44:01
about that earlier. I definitely think that could end up being a good good
44:05
call, especially because my guy Para Bay is on him. But talking about
44:08
Cardio Tait. But Van Bliet man, this is what I don't get.
44:13
I just don't understand it. What no matter the situation, maybe it is
44:15
the point scotty stuff, but like eight eleven eleven, just he he hasn't
44:21
even taken the shots. He never really gets you much else over there,
44:24
but you know these one game he can do this. I mean, this
44:28
is uh, you know the stuff that you're seeing. I just don't know.
44:30
Like seventy nine hundred, he still kind of feels like he's sucking you
44:34
in at that price where you get the best buy pricing, seventy nine hundred
44:37
dollars. Uh, cat, what are you talking? What were these guys
44:40
talking about earlier with Cam cam Whitmore. I didn't see that, but yeah,
44:45
that that could be it. Don't play Cam Whitmore, whoever that is,
44:47
don't play him now the chat that they like him, they like Cam
44:51
Whitmore. I saw him mentioned a little bit more earlier on too, So
44:53
we'd have to wait and see, but we'll have that stuff covered in the
44:58
discord. A guy cool hands that earlier, that's I saw it first.
45:00
He said that, And we're gonna talk to Melton is another guy most consistent
45:05
with him. Beat out let me check if I can check him. How
45:07
much is Melton on this slate? Real quick? And Hebrews Taut, Hebrews
45:10
Taunt and cam whitmore too. Melton, He's right there. What is that
45:14
sixty one hundred? So Meltain sixty one hundred. I'm just secretly looking at
45:17
the ceiling rankings. I want to see something. So he got nine games
45:22
almost sixty percent of the time at this price tag hitting five X and ten
45:25
percent of time still hitting six X. So nothing crazy there, but good
45:30
enough on the five X. That's that's a base value play. Let me
45:32
go just check our boy out. I want to see real quick. We
45:35
can get him in here, Jay Shawn Tait. We might not have enough
45:37
on him or anything to look at, but yeah, it doesn't look like
45:42
it. There was someone else though that you just reminded me of that.
45:44
I wanted to check at that number. Let me go back here, Sorry,
45:46
guys, getting lost in the mix here with all the fun. Oh
45:50
van Bleet, that's who I wanted to check what he's been doing at this
45:52
price tag. So van Bleet, this is the thing. We're not going
45:55
to show it all off. It's behind the paywall. You guys can go
45:59
check it out. But this is the thing Van Vliet and cool hand says
46:01
this, Why do it when you can just get your guy d White?
46:04
And they're regardless. But look, Van Vliet, sixteen games, one of
46:07
the better sample sizes all season being at this price, seventy nine hundred or
46:12
more. Only twenty five percent of the time has he even hit five X.
46:16
But what gets people excited is the one or two times he's went seven
46:22
X. So that's how people look at it. But again, eight games,
46:24
all these other factors, I mean, it's not really a spot for
46:28
me. And I usually like this guy, but he's let me down enough
46:30
times that I can't get to it. Another person, our guy David comes
46:32
in, says Derek White. Knight got to agree on that spot. We'll
46:37
see what the other stuff is that pops up. Anybody else you want to
46:38
talk about within this game obviously at the center spot. Yeah, I was
46:44
gonna ask you about Sindngoon. I mean, I watched the Pacers that Pacers
46:47
Rockets game the other night. In goodness gracious, sin Gun was just dominating
46:52
that game. I mean everybody Van Vliet was, you know, pass it
46:55
to him, you know, every he was taking all the shots. That
46:59
felt like he really impressed me the other night, and with no mb man
47:02
in the middle there, I think Sengoon versus Reed and your boy Mobamba,
47:10
I don't mind Sengoon. I mean the problem, and I feel like I
47:14
say this all the time, is that center position is just so loaded tonight
47:16
with Sabonis, with Jokic, you know, with Gaffer if you wanted to
47:21
go down there like you talked about earlier. But this Semngoon guy is a
47:23
really good ballplayer, you know. I guess it was a blowout the other
47:28
night Againt Phoenix, so they took him out and he only played twenty nine
47:30
minutes. But I don't mind Simgoon at eighty four hundred against Paul Reed and
47:35
Mobamba, it's just gonna come down. You know how Am I gonna build
47:38
my teams with Sabonis and Jokic or do with somebody that's less expensive like Sengoon.
47:43
Yeah. One thing I'll add on him just quickly is this can be
47:47
a problem Like this can be something that you get sucked into, right because
47:50
you see it just happened sixty five and sixty five you're thinking, oh,
47:53
this is the spot gotta go there. He actually is the same, almost
47:57
identical to Van Vliet for five hundred bucks more in the ceiling rankings, the
48:00
same thing. Man. He's been eighty four hundred almost fifteen times this season,
48:05
twenty five percent of the time pretty much hitting it. It's when has
48:08
he done it? Similar to Van Vliet, He's had a couple of these
48:12
ceiling games, but on a guy like him, you're seeing it be recent
48:15
and saying that makes it even more Now he's a really good value. I'm
48:17
not going away from I'm just saying it is interesting. If we're talking about
48:21
Van Vliet for similar reasons, you could see it here with Sengoon. Like
48:24
I was saying earlier, you can go one thousand bucks more from Van Vliet
48:29
and get to point Scotty and play him at two positions on another squad that
48:34
we talked about earlier with Toronto his old team. So lots of different options
48:37
you can go to here. But for me, we'll move on to this
48:39
last game. Let's talk about denver Oka. See I think now he's my
48:44
favorite player in the NBA. Gotta stick with my Canadian guy, SGA.
48:47
But let's talk about this one. Ham. What are you doing here in
48:51
this spot, Jokic Murray, SGA Chet, you always like a little Chet.
48:54
I know you're going to talk about Peyton Watson. Someone's bringing up Strather
48:59
already. Give me your thoughts on this game. Where are we going with
49:01
this one? Yeah, I'm looking forward to this game. It should be
49:06
a good one. CACP to the Moon. I will not have any KCPO.
49:09
Leave that one to new Ones and Tamba to play some KCP tonight.
49:13
But I mean the normal cast of character is right in this game. Jamal
49:16
Murray, we really love him over here at ship at Nation. He's one
49:22
of my favorites. SGA. I do love SGA in general. Tonight I
49:30
will not be playing SGA however, ten to six, I'm gonna go elsewhere.
49:35
Give me Jamal Murray at seventy eight hundred. Really like him tonight,
49:38
you know, talking talking value, I think Peyton Watson if you want to
49:42
pull him up forty six hundred. You know, shot at fourteen times last
49:46
night. I mean, obviously wish he would have played more minutes. I
49:49
think part of the reason he did it was was the blowout nature of that
49:52
game. So should be fully rested. I mean, I guess you could
49:55
play Julian Strather. I prefer the guy that's gonna start and play. What
50:00
I think is, you know, twenty eight minutes, twenty eight to thirty
50:02
two minutes in a close game. So give me some Watson for value,
50:07
give me some Gary Trent Junior ask some value. I mean, obviously different
50:10
game. But Jamal Murray's my favorite. I do like Jokic. I think
50:15
he can kind of bullyball Chet Holmgren around down there, down low, especially
50:19
on the glass. So I really like Jokic, but you know, play
50:22
a salary cat game, as you always say, so eleven two is tough.
50:25
But Chet Holmgren I think that he doesn't get as much love, maybe
50:30
because of Wimby, maybe because of SGA. He's a very good player and
50:35
can do a lot of different things. At seventy seven hundred, I don't
50:37
mind him at all. I don't have any interest in either of the Jalen
50:42
Williams interested hear your take on either one of those guys. Just trying to
50:46
see you. If somebody mentioned something else, I didn't see it pop up
50:50
yet, but a lot of like, man, this is so hilarious that
50:53
they I'm telling you, this is just all a troll has to be.
50:57
How the season's gone so far in NBA. And now all these news for
51:00
this two game slate tonight, all the games that are off the slate.
51:02
We got all the Memphis news, we got the Wemby out. Now we're
51:07
getting all the stuff for the Portland side of the game. Simon's effonty,
51:10
Simon's ruled out, Sharp ruled out, Deonda Aiton ruled out, Wreath ruled
51:15
out, like Kamara's questionable. All this stuff that we're seeing just hilarious.
51:19
But I didn't see the MPJ one, so maybe I miss that. But
51:22
either way, just going back to this spot, and like Ross said,
51:25
there's two games left. Yeah, didn't have the scroller over enough. I
51:28
want to bring it back up though, skip what you just said and go
51:30
back to these ceiling rankings because I'm looking at him a lot here today.
51:35
Not enough data yet, but funny enough. So Jokic and Jannis had different
51:38
positions but still center eligible. But I think you'd be playing Ganni's probably a
51:43
power forward. But that's a benefit as well, is that he's similar price
51:45
and you can play him at two positions. Similar games twenty for Yanni's twenty
51:50
six for Jokic. Jannis is actually hitting five x, six x and seven
51:55
x more often. Yet it looks like if people are paying up tonight more
51:59
would go to Jokic and play this spot against skinny chat or whatever you want
52:04
to say, and go about all that stuff. So I definitely think there's
52:07
the case. And Josh is saying it. It's funny. You can't give
52:10
him the slappy tenfoil half, but man, it is hilarious that the first
52:15
night both these games, not the first night, but it's another night where
52:19
the DraftKings does this thing where we said it and that was what he said
52:22
an hour ago. I missed that one. But either way, all the
52:24
news coming out early on the games that are on the main slate SGA at
52:30
least somewhat interesting to me. Always he's another guy. Again, he don't
52:32
get a huge sample at it, but he does go. He goes five
52:36
and six x quite a bit, you know, at similar prices or this
52:39
price or above sixty five percent of the time at this price. Peyton Watson
52:44
you mentioned for value obviously will pick up some of these guys down here below.
52:47
Someone said KCP to the moon tonight continues to do his thing. He
52:52
did have that one game though, got the thirty four, so can make
52:54
fun of him for so long, but now you know it comes with the
52:57
price too, almost pushing six k here. So not sure if there's anything
53:00
I'm gonna be heavy on in this game. Watson looks pretty good. Maybe
53:04
he could make it in there, but may just be picking up pieces.
53:07
Murray is interesting because he's one hundred bucks less than Van Bleek, who he
53:12
just talked about. Not that I think either of them are gonna pick up
53:14
huge steam, but I think that obviously Murray would be fine anyway, and
53:16
he fits that balance build that I was talking about. If I can't get
53:20
up to Jokic or if I'm playing with Watson, I think it's fine to
53:22
mix a couple of these guys in good total closer spread. Definitely potential for
53:28
the back and forth. Could see going to this spot for at least a
53:30
couple of plays within this game. Anything else for you in that one hand,
53:32
if not take us to the actual final game on this see, yeah,
53:38
nothing else on that game. I mean, Jamal Murray. My favorite
53:40
play is what I would say in that game. This game over here,
53:45
man, you got the big three playing together tonight, big three being Booker,
53:50
Durant, and Bill. You know, I mean, obviously they're all
53:54
very good basketball players, but non six for Booker, ten to one for
53:58
Durant, it's tough for them to there with that many mouths to feed.
54:00
I mean, we like Narkischova here obviously the good value there. I just
54:04
don't think he'll get enough opportunities. And then the other side, this,
54:07
this Hornets team is is pretty brutal. Second night of a back to back.
54:12
They got blown out last night, slated to get blown out again to
54:15
night. You know, eight games tonight. This one's gonna be a cross
54:19
off for me, Tambo. Yeah, for me, it looks the same
54:22
way right now. Like I was trying to look for anything here, Funny
54:24
enough, the other thing that popped for me was our guy right at the
54:29
top here, Nurk. But like you said, it's just really hard now.
54:30
He fits the balance builds we talked about, but with all the other
54:34
options that we went through on the site, and then we'll see how things
54:36
shake out further. It's tough to say where I'll land, But if I
54:38
landed on anyone here, it actually would be the guy right up here at
54:42
the top. I mean the Mark Williams doubtful thing came out like an hour.
54:45
I mean, guy hasn't played, he's it could have been his first
54:47
game back in in a while. But they already have Nick Richards price because
54:51
of that. It's been going on for who knows how long. Now beal
54:53
back kind of you know, cheap price tag, but I don't trust the
54:57
minutes in that. And then you've got other guys to compete with a tend
55:00
with, So I don't really know where else I would land here besides Nurkic.
55:04
And again it's just interesting. He does pop in the projections. I
55:07
was just trying to see if we had him listed in here. Small sample
55:10
size less than ten games with seventy percent of the time hitting five x.
55:15
So again, if you land there, this is the spot to look.
55:19
This is really tough for me too. I'll answer this with new ones.
55:21
We'll get your final thoughts. You guys have any more questions, throw them
55:23
into the chat. We'll definitely get to them. But I said this before
55:27
the show to Ham. Maybe I've told you before so you know this one.
55:30
It's tough because longtime Lakers fan since ninety seven, still am. Kobe
55:34
got me into. It was the year Kobe did the dunk in the dunk
55:37
competition between the legs. This is a thing. So I've always hated on
55:40
Boston, but I really liked Tatum. He was a big Kobe guy in
55:45
the gym with Kobe, that sort of thing. And my son's name is
55:46
Tatum, so I like Tatum, but I love Sga. My other guy
55:52
was actually John Morant, and then when he started toting the guns around and
55:54
stuff, I was like, eh, I don't know about that. Dame
55:57
Lillard, Dame Time. Those are like my four main guys, and now
56:00
it's Moran's at the bottom, Lillard's third. It's between SGA and Tatum.
56:05
So I can't give you an answer, but that's my rankings on them.
56:07
It's just one A, one B, then then Lillard, then Moran.
56:12
That's my four guys that I like in the NBA ham Who are your favorite
56:15
players now? And then tell us about the ones in the past. We
56:17
always got to use the ham as old jokes on here as well. So
56:21
who's your favorites? Who's your current I mean, anybody that grew up in
56:24
the nineties. Man, what you just wanted to be like Mike, I
56:27
mean drinking the gatorade behind the shoes. So it's definitely Jordan, Definitely Kobe,
56:31
Definitely shack Hakeem the dream shake. I'd be back in the day,
56:37
those those early nineties or mid mid ninety Rockets team for fun to watch,
56:40
So anybody in the nineties I like it today. I mean, who do
56:45
I like watching the most. I mean, I like watching Luca, I
56:47
like watching Jokic. Then Boston playing. I mean, I guess Memphis is
56:54
my team and I love watching them, But I'm with you. Like John
56:59
Moran, I just don't think he's gonna get it. A great player and
57:00
great talent, but uh uh yeah, I don't like some of the stuff
57:05
he does off the court. Yeah that too. But even John Dame to
57:08
me are more exciting to watch, Like I love Dame time when it kicks
57:12
in Dame. Obviously was I think a little bit underrated for a while there
57:15
and he just didn't get enough credit. But obviously, uh still an exciting
57:17
guy to watch. Again, have like a full game where it's Dame time
57:21
and you actually get some excitement from that. Jah has normally been to me,
57:24
like the plays, the one offs, the dunks, the things like
57:27
that. So it's guilty over here. I'm not that. I'm all,
57:34
but I'm not that all the dream shake, I mean all these I mean,
57:37
I like these guys that are talking about my guys, John Starks,
57:40
John Stockton, Yeah, that's what I'm talking about that now you guys are
57:45
talking my language, he says, I don't. I mean, this is
57:46
to me, the worst take. Best shooter in the game is he.
57:50
I'd never been super excited about watching a Steph Curry game as he's He's definitely
57:55
fits the mold. It's Steph Curry were talking about. You can't really talk
57:59
bad. I'm saying, but I don't hear a lot of people say it.
58:00
And now Ross is in here adding it too, like I don't hear
58:04
a lot of people say that. We know he's the best shooter in the
58:07
league. It just depends on how you look at guys. But I got
58:08
way more Kobe all time was definitely always my favorite. I never sat there
58:13
and said he tried to say he's better than Jordan or Lebron or anything,
58:15
but I definitely liked Kobe the best. But I actually think Josh's take is
58:20
correct here. I think even though I love SGA and just talked through this,
58:22
but I will say this, the one thing I think that's missing from
58:25
Tatum is that I don't think he's the same like Kobe with the grit,
58:30
the black mamba, going out there with the jaw clench, ready to do
58:32
it. I don't see Tatum do that enough. And I also said it
58:35
earlier. I almost know on the games that Tatum's gonna show up or not
58:39
because it's all about like proving himself, But then he does like a Subway
58:44
commercial and there's not much personality there. I love this stuff with his son,
58:46
Deuce is the man all that stuff, but I do tend to agree
58:51
as much as you know, there's Spatis shown up in and he can do
58:53
it. His talent is unquestionable. It's more of I just don't see it
58:58
as like it's like he wants to be Kobe, but I just don't see
59:01
him gonna be I don't think he's gonna be a Kobe. And SGA is
59:06
pretty quiet in his own right, but man, he lets his game do
59:08
the talking. He really is strong across the board. Everything that he does
59:13
consistent with it and just seemingly continues to get better. That's kind of why
59:16
I got that love for him, not just that he's Canadian, like everyone
59:20
will think. I like that, you know, that's just an added bonus.
59:22
I just do think that SGA has got a really complete game. He
59:25
lets his game do the talking for the most part, and it continues to
59:29
get better. So I'm excited for him. They got a lot of stuff
59:30
going on too. Don't forget all the picks Okac is hoarding with all the
59:35
stuff they already got going on on their squad currently. So I know we're
59:37
not talking the slate anymore, but there's still two hundred people watching. If
59:40
you guys have more takes, thoughts, questions, by all means, throw
59:44
him out there. But yeah, Jason, we're on the same page.
59:45
Here's starting to build a young powerhouse. That's the thing. He'll He'll start
59:49
getting more attention, that's for sure. I agree with that. There's some
59:52
stuff to this. Definitely this hurt. I mean for a guy that was
59:55
trying to be what he is and like I say, showing up certain times,
1:00:00
it's got a little bit stronger for what he needs to show up with.
1:00:02
I was hoping kind of that Jalen Brown would go out of there and
1:00:06
they would figure something different out or that Tatum would leave. I was actually
1:00:08
hoping Tatum would come to the Lakers, to be honest, but uh,
1:00:12
maybe that's a pipe dream. We'll wait and see. Ham any final thoughts
1:00:15
of this slate, man, anything else you want to talk about before now?
1:00:17
I was what I was thinking the not not not on the slate,
1:00:21
but I watched that. I think it was the Olympic team documentary they did.
1:00:24
And what I love about Kobe is like, you know, pau Gasol
1:00:28
one of his favorite, you know, best friends, and he just freaking
1:00:30
closed lines that dude in the first first play of the game in the Olympics.
1:00:35
So Kobe just had that dog in him. Obviously, love Kobe,
1:00:38
miss him. But uh, I think the Slate's gonna be a good slate.
1:00:42
I mean obviously, uh, you know, the Boston stuff is gonna
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be the big news. But like I said, I think he got some
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value at the Peyton Watson, Gary Trent juniors of the world. Uh that
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that you can fit in some of those studs. So I'm looking forward to
1:00:52
the slate, uh tonight myself. Yeah, I'll be interesting. We're gonna
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wait and see get all this stuff. We'll be back in the discord checking
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it out all out. See what we got going on there? But I
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didn't see. Uh the want they want? Then they want the ham Special,
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the hand play of the day. They want the Tobias Harris, the
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the Tobias Hamdwitch of the day. What do we got so? Uh?
1:01:15
The triple s play of the day? Man? The what was it?
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The steam saw a shower play of the day. What do we got?
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Donovan Mitchell in by the way, just got it? The Tobias Hammage as
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they're liking to call it here. What do we got here? I'll give
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I'll give them two, give them two plays. I'm not gonna call h
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must plays, but I really like him. Jamal Murray seventy eight hundred against
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this Oklahoma City team that struggles guarding the point guard position. And then number
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two for me, let's see, let me get another one. What did
1:01:50
you just say, s I was looking something up. Who did you just
1:01:52
say, Jamal Murray? Okay, yay, I'm good with that one,
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Jamal Jamal Murray. And then I'm gonna go. I'm gonna go against Tom
1:02:00
just to just to be contray a little bit. Uh, Donovan Mitchell.
1:02:05
Donovan Mitchell is a great play to I really love Donovan. I think he
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outscores Trey. I think he outscores uh, that other guy you said,
1:02:12
whoever else you said, I think I think Donovan Mitchell's outscores them both.
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I'm betting the Unders. We'll see. This guy's ready to shoot though.
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Man, that's for sure. So it is interesting, and he's definitely a
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pivot play off of Trey. So I don't know. Maybe that had like
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this said, this is though what I hate. That's why I said I'm
1:02:30
betting those unders, because hebrow. I was like, I didn't even get
1:02:31
the update from Underdog. It wasn't it's himself. Donovan Mitchell just oh yeah,
1:02:38
yeah he This is always the first take Sean came through. This is
1:02:44
always the first take that everyone goes to, Oh, man, get this
1:02:46
guy. He's gonna crush tonight. Now. No, he's gonna shoot it
1:02:49
twenty five times and make like eight of them, and that's what's gonna happen.
1:02:52
I'm definitely in the first half. That's just the first half. Yeah,
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well, maybe you gotta Murray Mitchell and White and then you're cruising get
1:03:01
Gary Trinn in there, get my guy Peyton Watson in there. Yeah,
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