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Celebrating 100 Years: Music through the Decade & 6 Reasons to Believe in the Resurrection with J. Warner Wallace · Karl and Crew

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  S1: Broadcasting from Chicago, across North America and beyond. It's Carl
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  S1: and crew. Come as you are an experienced guide, overcome
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  S1: what seems impossible and live as you never imagined delivering
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  S1: the truth daily.
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  S2: If it were possible to have every worldly gain available.
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  S2: And you're forfeiting your soul. There's no amount of gain
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  S2: that would make it worth it.
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  S3: Our own way never ever works. Because it's apart from
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  S3: the life source, which is God.
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  S4: For me, growing up, love was always conditional and can
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  S4: be taken from you. Christ's love can't. And he went
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  S4: to the cross with my mind and my heart that night.
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  S1: Now from the call of Hope Studios, this is Carl
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  S1: and crew. Carl and crew coming up here. We're going
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  S1: to start in the 20s, and we're going to rock
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  S1: and roll all the way through this thing. What do
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  S1: you say? Yeah, we're gonna roll.
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  S3: There won't be so much rock and roll. No.
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  S5: But it's gonna roll. It's gonna be good.
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  S1: It's gonna be good. We're going to kick it off.
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  S1: Coming up here. The first song that was ever played
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  S1: 100 years ago. Next what? Tuesday? Yes. What is it?
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  S5: Next Tuesday?
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  S3: Next Tuesday?
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  S5: Yep.
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  S1: 100 years. Hang on.
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  S6: It's Carl and crew on Moody Radio.
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  S1: All right, we got the Wayback Machine out. You got
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  S1: that fired up, young thunder.
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  S3: Yeah. Hold on. Just let me. Sometimes you gotta kick
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  S3: start it.
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  S5: Yeah.
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  S3: All right, let's go. Dust coming off of that thing.
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  S5: It's going.
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  S1: All right. We got the Wayback Machine, so I don't know. Ali.
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  S1: How do you set this one up?
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  S2: Well, as you may have heard, we are celebrating 100
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  S2: years of Moody Radio. The official birthday is actually a
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  S2: week from today. July 28th was the first broadcast right
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  S2: here on Moody Radio. So as part of our celebration,
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  S2: we are revisiting some of those moments and memories from
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  S2: our history.
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  S1: Yeah, here we are, 1920s. First WMBI song. I want
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  S1: you to know him more. Take a listen.
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  S7: I have a say. Your. I want you to know
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  S7: one to whom glory, glory, I claim one who is
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  S7: with me wherever I go. Jesus, my Lord and my King.
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  S7: I want you to know him. I want you to
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  S7: hold him. I want you to love him, too. I
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  S7: want you to know him. To know is to love him.
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  S7: I want you to know, my King. I was a
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  S7: captain in my ransom. He paid. Made me an heir
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  S7: to his throne. Now I rejoice and am never afraid
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  S7: that he will not leave me. Oh, Lord. I want
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  S7: you to know him. I want you to own him.
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  S7: I want you to love him too. I want you
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  S7: to know him. To know is to love him. I
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  S7: want you to know. My King.
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  S1: Wow. First song played on WNBI 100 years ago.
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  S5: Wow.
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  S1: Okay, what strikes me. It was really good. It was
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  S1: super clear. The harmonies. It taught me one thing. boy,
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  S1: they knew how to read music back in the day.
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  S5: Yeah yeah.
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  S3: Yeah. No, I mean, they're doing all that live. It's
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  S3: not like, oh, let me just cue up a song
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  S3: and we'll play it here for you. No, it's they
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  S3: they got people in the studio to sing that song.
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  S5: It's not.
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  S1: Take two.
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  S5: No. Yeah.
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  S3: Can you imagine hitting the wrong note or something while
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  S3: you're on radio singing?
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  S5: It happened.
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  S3: I'm sure it did. I mean, it had to have happened. Oh, yeah.
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  S3: It just wouldn't feel so good.
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  S1: Okay, so let's duck into the 30s here. If you
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  S1: start hearing voices you recognize, you can text us at (800) 555-7898.
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  S1: If you're recognizing voices in the 30s, that's saying something.
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  S1: That's that's saying something. Here's the WNBA announcer trio. A
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  S1: little taste of this.
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  S7: I have something in my heart that Jesus gave to me.
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  S7: It makes me feel like singing glory all the day
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  S7: he found my captive soul and gave me liberty. And
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  S7: now I feel like singing glory. He makes.
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  S1: Okay. That is awesome.
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  S4: That was every day. That's how they started the mornings.
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  S8: That's how they started the morning.
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  S4: And that was the music.
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  S3: That's a perfect song for rush hour.
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  S5: I thought I had a young.
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  S4: Thunder sing every day.
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  S5: You know?
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  S3: No, please don't suggest that now.
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  S5: It had, like.
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  S2: A barbershop quartet.
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  S5: Kind of. Absolutely.
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  S1: So find out something for me. Young Thunder. When did
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  S1: radios get in cars?
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  S3: Oh, that's a good question.
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  S1: Because it wasn't in cars.
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  S3: Right, right, right. That makes sense.
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  S1: You find out when did when did when did radios
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  S1: get into cars?
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  S3: I actually in the early 1920s, drivers started putting radios
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  S3: in their cars.
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  S5: No kidding.
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  S3: Yes. Now it looks like it wasn't until 1930 that, uh,
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  S3: it's for a first commercial car radio was. But people
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  S3: adapted portable battery power sets to their radios so they
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  S3: could take it in the car with them.
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  S1: Okay, so they didn't have it built into the dash.
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  S1: They put them in the passenger.
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  S5: Seat.
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  S1: Went.
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  S5: Rolling down the road.
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  S3: Now, it became widespread standard in the 1960s. So it
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  S3: was it was first in the 1930s, but it was
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  S3: very expensive and not a lot of people had it. Okay. 1960s.
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  S1: Okay, let's duck into the 40s here. A little taste
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  S1: of the 40s right now. And this has got a
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  S1: little bit of organ music attached to it. Let's give
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  S1: it a listen.
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  S9: Jesus. Into my life. Oh my soul. Like the storm
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  S9: billows roll. No that's that's wrong. Verse. Oh my soul.
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  S9: When the storm billows roll. Jesus came into my heart. Yes.
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  S2: You know the song, huh?
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  S1: Yeah, I know that song.
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  S4: And that was not a studio B in Carl Hall.
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  S4: That was like the live organ music that they used
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  S4: during the shows and in the ins and the outs
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  S4: and all that good stuff.
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  S3: Made me feel like I.
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  S5: Blanchard.
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  S2: That's the name of the organist, huh?
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  S5: Yes.
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  S3: Blanchard.
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  S5: Wow. Oh, d.
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  S3: Yeah, I know d.
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  S5: No, I don't know d.
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  S1: I'm old, but I'm not that old. Okay, let's duck
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  S1: into the 50s. This is Bill. Bill Pearce and Dick
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  S1: Anthony singing every day with Jesus. I love this song.
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  S1: Come on, give it a listen.
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  S7: Every day is sweeter when I walk with him. Every
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  S7: day is brighter when I talk with him. His presence
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  S7: ever cheers me. I know he's always near me.
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  S9: I love that.
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  S7: In my heart. The blessed hope I look for him.
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  S1: Let em roll, let em roll.
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  S7: Every day with Jesus. Jesus is greater than the day before.
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  S7: Every day with Jesus. I love him more and more.
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  S7: Jesus saves and keeps me. And he's the one I'm
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  S7: waiting for. Every day with Jesus is sweeter than the
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  S7: day before.
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  S1: It's not accurate, but it's good, man. I mean, that's beautiful. Oh,
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  S1: they got an ending. Sorry, guys.
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  S7: I know he's always near me. In my hearts, the
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  S7: blessed hope I look for him.
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  S10: Those guys can sing.
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  S5: Wow.
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  S4: No kidding.
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  S5: Wow.
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  S3: The quality might have been better in the 20s.
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  S1: Oh.
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  S5: That's raw.
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  S3: They had clearer. Uh, just just an observation. Not a
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  S3: bad thing. It's interesting.
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  S1: Okay, let's duck into the 60s. Little Aunt.
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  S5: Teresa voice. Many of you will recognize Aunt.
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  S2: Teresa and the KYB know your Bible club.
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  S11: You know that song, don't you? Why not sing along
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  S11: with the boys and girls?
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  S12: He that loves me, this I know. For the Bible
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  S12: tells me so. Little ones to him belong. They are weak,
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  S12: but he is strong. Yes, Jesus loves me. Yes, he
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  S12: that loves me. Yes, Jesus loves me. I felt.
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  S1: I heard John Gager in there.
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  S5: What?
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  S1: John Gager works here. Man, I heard you in there, dude.
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  S1: Was that.
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  S8: Live?
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  S3: Yes, it had to be, I think.
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  S5: Yes.
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  S3: I guess they did live.
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  S5: Recordings.
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  S4: Live from the show.
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  S5: Oh my goodness.
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  S4: They brought them into the studio. Set them there on
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  S4: the floor. The kids. All the kids.
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  S5: That's fun.
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  S4: There's pictures of Ann Teresa around the piano and all
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  S4: the little kids around her feet.
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  S5: Oh that's awesome. Absolutely.
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  S2: That was a really popular show.
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  S5: Oh my goodness.
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  S1: The response we've gotten from Aunt Teresa. Overwhelming. Okay, let's
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  S1: duck into the 70s now from studio B in Corolla Hall.
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  S1: Take a listen.
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  S13: I walk with him each day. We I let him
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  S13: have full Why? Does trusting that he know what's best
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  S13: for me? When he called me. Will I say he?
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  S13: Here am I, Lord. Be known. See his will in
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  S13: all that I do. By God's grace I will. Will you? Ooh.
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  S1: We don't know her name. But she's a pitch perfect soprano.
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  S3: They're really good.
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  S4: And that's how they played music. Different artists, different singers
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  S4: came in to the studio and.
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  S3: I, like they still had live singers all the way
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  S3: through the 70s.
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  S5: They did. Yeah.
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  S2: That's surprising.
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  S3: That's really cool.
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  S1: All right. Let's duck into the 80s here a little.
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  S1: Mike Kellogg music through the night. You guys ready to roll?
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  S5: Yes.
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  S1: Let's do it.
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  S14: Hello and welcome to Music Through the Night. I'm your host,
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  S14: Michael Kellogg. I'd like to spend the next few hours
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  S14: with you or any portion of that time. Basically, what
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  S14: we'd like to do during the time together that we
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  S14: have is magnify the Lord Jesus Christ to glorify him
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  S14: in all that we say in the music that we play.
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  S14: In the thoughts that we hear from God's Word and
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  S14: from men of God. We hope that you can spend
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  S14: a little bit of your time with us this evening.
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  S14: It's amazing to know what God does through transformed lives,
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  S14: and to experience the great joy that comes as a
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  S14: result of knowing Jesus Christ as our personal Savior.
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  S1: Wow. Way to go. Mike Kellogg.
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  S4: And actually, that was the time they finally would bring
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  S4: in albums. And actually recording artists began to go over
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  S4: the airplay. I mean, you heard people like Sandi Patty,
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  S4: Steve Green, the Imperials, second chapter of acts, the Cathedrals
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  S4: and Hymns. Those are the sort of music you would
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  S4: hear during music.
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  S5: The second.
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  S1: Chapter.
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  S5: Of acts.
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  S1: That is such a great group.
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  S5: It's a great name.
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  S1: You got a little bit of them loaded up.
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  S3: I don't, but I can search here. Diana can take
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  S3: a look. She's got all her.
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  S1: We gotta get a little second chapter of acts in here.
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  S1: I love that or the lamb chops.
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  S15: He was running from God. but God's love brought him home.
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  S15: Carl is in the crew. It's Carl and crew on
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  S15: Moody Radio.
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  S2: And I mean, when people are sleepless or people who
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  S2: work an odd shift. And his voice was so comforting.
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  S2: And then he had a. I just found out from
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  S2: Phil Shepherd this week that he was a pastor.
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  S5: Yeah.
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  S3: Oh, was.
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  S5: He really.
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  S1: Pastor.
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  S2: Ordained pastor? Yeah.
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  S3: He also sounds like he could be Captain Kirk in
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  S3: Star Trek space.
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  S2: Young.
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  S5: Thunder, the final frontier.
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  S15: Your spiritual pit stop to keep you going in the race.
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  S15: You're listening to Carl and crew. I miss.
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  S1: This guy. Sometimes I still have Phil withdrawals, and it's
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  S1: usually when something breaks around here. Ali.
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  S2: Phil Shepherd, he is in studio with us once again.
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  S2: He served for over 30 years as National operations manager
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  S2: of Moody Radio. So yeah, he was a good guy
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  S2: to have around. Oh, who knew how everything worked. He's
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  S2: a moody audio archive expert, and he has co-authored this book.
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  S2: This is Moody radio 100 years proclaiming the gospel. This
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  S2: is the this is the book of the month. As
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  S2: we celebrate 100 years of Moody Radio.
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  S1: Phil, so awesome to have you with us, my man.
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  S1: Let's jump in the deep end. What makes Moody Radio
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  S1: tick in a way that we can go for 100
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  S1: years and keep going strong.
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  S16: It started with a heart for God. It started with
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  S16: a message that God loves people, broken people. He loves them.
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  S16: And he sent His son to this earth to give
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  S16: us a salvation so rich and free. And the desire
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  S16: was we want everyone to know him. That was the first.
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  S16: It was the lyrics of the first song sung on
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  S16: Wednesday night, July 28th, 1926.
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  S1: You sound like you were there, but that's not possible.
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  S16: Well, it was in the Chicago Tribune the next morning
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  S16: on the front page. And I'm serious. And the reporter,
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  S16: he he reviewed two new radio stations. He said the
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  S16: first one and the second one. Excellence. Pure tone in
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  S16: the music. The delivery. Yeah, the Chicago.
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  S1: That made it on the Trib.
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  S16: Oh, yeah. We have it in the book.
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  S2: Now, talk about the way the music was played in
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  S2: the early years, because it's easy to miss this because
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  S2: for so long we've been spinning records or now just
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  S2: pressing a button. But the music of Moody Radio in
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  S2: the 1920s a little bit different.
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  S16: The music that we have now. Now, obviously in different media,
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  S16: we have it electronically the 90s, the 2000, the CD,
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  S16: the audio cassette, the reel to reel, the records. That
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  S16: only goes back about 75 years. So go back another
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  S16: 25 years. You had music if you performed it live,
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  S16: and one of the issues that confronted Christian radio stations
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  S16: in the early days, by the way, Moody Radio was
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  S16: not the first station. It was actually number 70, but
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  S16: there were many that came to life, but they couldn't
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  S16: sustain it because they didn't have the deep reserves in
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  S16: talent that a Moody Bible Institute had in faculty and
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  S16: student musicians. And so we had that that deep, that
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  S16: deep reserve of people. But everything was live. If you
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  S16: did not have a musician, an orchestra or instrumentalist in
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  S16: the studio with you, you were talking.
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  S1: You know, there's a cabinet somewhere around here, Phil, and
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  S1: you showed it to me one time and you were
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  S1: so you're like a kid in a candy shop, and
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  S1: it's all these devices that made these different sounds. Tell
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  S1: us about that cabinet, Phil.
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  S16: I mean, that's what's called a folio cabinet up in
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  S16: studio B and throughout the years, yes. If you needed
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  S16: to have the sound of somebody walking on the gravel,
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  S16: you had a little box that had gravel. If you
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  S16: needed to have someone that sounds like they're walking in grass, well,
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  S16: you bundle up a bunch of audiotape and put it
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  S16: in there and you just squeeze it with your hands
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  S16: and it sounds like it. So you learn, and I'm
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  S16: sure knowledge was shared among the radio community, but if
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  S16: you wanted to make a sound, you had to make it.
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  S16: You were trying to make the theater of the mind alive.
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  S16: I mean, you listen to the old time radio and
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  S16: they just captivate. You can shut your eyes and you're there.
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  S16: Great programs that many have put out. I mean, Moody
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  S16: got involved in drama in the early 1940s, right after
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  S16: the start of World War Two. We did some dramatizations,
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  S16: but miracles and melodies in 1940, number nine, Elm Street
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  S16: in 42. So these are people that that had learned
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  S16: to hone their craft. But the most important thing to
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  S16: hear from those who were there at the very beginning,
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  S16: in their interviews in 1976, after 50 years, was we
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  S16: didn't know what we were doing. We had no one
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  S16: to follow. We everything was trial by error.
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  S1: Beautiful.
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  S16: Yeah.
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  S2: You know, one of the things that people from Moody
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  S2: radios past that I hear most about is music through
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  S2: the night with Mike Kellogg. To this day, that remains.
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  S5: You're right.
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  S2: One of the. Because it represents so many people who
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  S2: say it got me through so many hard nights, the
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  S2: music and Mike Kellogg's voice. Talk a little bit about that.
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  S16: Well, Mike always used to take comfort, uh, for a
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  S16: radio person to say this. I put a lot of
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  S16: people to sleep. He liked that, but, uh, but he
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  S16: approached it very seriously. Mike was an ordained minister. I
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  S16: don't know if you knew that or not. And so
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  S16: he had a pastoral heart. He wanted to speak to
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  S16: the people. But Mike came here in 1971 and he
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  S16: was working in drama. He had worked at a newspaper.
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  S16: He wanted to be a writer, but that didn't happen.
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  S16: He became the director of drama here. And so many
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  S16: of the dramas throughout the 1970s, Mike was the person responsible,
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  S16: but they tapped him on the shoulder in 1980 and
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  S16: asked him, would you take over the continued story reading
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  S16: program that started at the very beginning? Wendell Lovelace did
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  S16: it for 20 years until 1947, and then Myron Canedy,
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  S16: a name that you probably haven't heard for a long time.
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  S16: He played the role of Ranger Bill, which was that
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  S16: program that played for 60 years in syndication. But Myron
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  S16: did it all the way up to 1978, and he retired.
• 21:14
  S16: But while he's doing this continued story. He would read
• 21:18
  S16: directly from a book for a half hour every day
• 21:21
  S16: on the air. They said, you know what? We need
• 21:24
  S16: somebody on our brand new network reaching across North America.
• 21:28
  S16: We need somebody to speak to people in the overnight hours.
• 21:32
  S16: And that's what Mike did starting in May of 1982,
• 21:35
  S16: a long time.
• 21:36
  S1: It's amazing. Phil Schappert is our guest here right now. Phil,
• 21:40
  S1: 100 years is a strange question. You probably haven't been
• 21:44
  S1: asked it. What have been some of the threats that
• 21:46
  S1: have been posed to Moody Radio in 100 years as
• 21:50
  S1: you've done your study, what have we been up against?
• 21:54
  S16: Well, I mentioned the Chicago Tribune, July 29th, 1926, and
• 22:00
  S16: on that day, officials from WGN came and said, you
• 22:06
  S16: have to shut the station down. So day one or
• 22:09
  S16: day two, we were told that we had to cease operation.
• 22:14
  S16: Henry Coleman Crowell was the son of Mr. Crowell, the
• 22:17
  S16: chairman of the board and founder of Quaker Oats. But
• 22:20
  S16: Henry was a recent graduate of Yale. Electrical engineer, and
• 22:25
  S16: he's the one who was behind the start of this.
• 22:28
  S16: And he was so knowledgeable that when they told him
• 22:32
  S16: that you have to shut the station down on day two, uh,
• 22:35
  S16: he said, uh, no, no, we we we don't need
• 22:38
  S16: to do that. Uh, we're running within tolerance. And you
• 22:41
  S16: know what? He was right. And, uh, there was a
• 22:44
  S16: lot of competition in those days. It was the wild,
• 22:47
  S16: wild West. People were throwing frequencies up and, you know,
• 22:50
  S16: and throwing them on the on the wall and seeing
• 22:53
  S16: which ones stuck. What was interesting there was a, uh,
• 22:57
  S16: kind of a, an acknowledgement, uh, within the industry of
• 23:02
  S16: the top ten stations, uh, based upon excellence and technical
• 23:06
  S16: and WMBI in Chicago was on that list.
• 23:10
  S1: Amazing.
• 23:11
  S16: Guess who wasn't.
• 23:13
  S1: WGN.
• 23:14
  S16: WGN was it? Yeah, so that was day one. But
• 23:18
  S16: now in those days you shared frequencies and we really
• 23:24
  S16: coveted the some of the evening time hours, but we
• 23:27
  S16: were getting segments and we started off at, uh, at 1080, uh,
• 23:33
  S16: a m we, we got shifted around, um, toward the
• 23:37
  S16: end of 1927, we were sharing a frequency with WJAZ
• 23:43
  S16: jazz owned by the Zenith Radio Corporation. And, uh, and
• 23:48
  S16: they were wanting to sell the station to us and
• 23:51
  S16: that way basically buy out your competition, you get more time. And, uh, Mr.
• 23:56
  S16: Kroll and others, they examined the equipment and they just said, no,
• 24:00
  S16: we're not going to do that. We're going to apply
• 24:03
  S16: for a superstation. And they applied in, in August of 1927,
• 24:09
  S16: got the construction permit. Now they had to leave the
• 24:12
  S16: downtown Chicago transmitter, which was on top of the current
• 24:15
  S16: Smith Hall. We still have today. That's where the transmitter
• 24:18
  S16: was up in a little shack on top there. And
• 24:21
  S16: they strung 100 foot towers between two buildings here. And
• 24:25
  S16: that was the antenna, five, 500W. But I mean, that
• 24:28
  S16: 500W in those days with no other frequencies covered, it
• 24:32
  S16: covered a lot. Big area. So they bought land. There's
• 24:36
  S16: a piece of property out about two miles to the
• 24:39
  S16: southwest of Addison, Illinois. So they bought that land. They
• 24:43
  S16: built that station and had it on the air in
• 24:46
  S16: January 20th of 1928, went from 500W downtown to 5000W.
• 24:52
  S16: And this thing covered all of North America. We had
• 24:56
  S16: an Easter service one time that a Calcutta, India said
• 25:01
  S16: that they could hear it. We had. I've got letters
• 25:03
  S16: from people, ships at sea, people out in the Great
• 25:07
  S16: Lakes big steamer. The person was acknowledging that they were
• 25:10
  S16: listening to to it. Our former news director for many years,
• 25:14
  S16: Walter Carlson. He would listen out in Spokane, Washington, off
• 25:18
  S16: of the station running from Addison, Illinois.
• 25:20
  S1: Boy, you don't want to stand close to that to
• 25:22
  S1: curl your hair.
• 25:24
  S2: Phil Shapard, our guest this morning. I want to point
• 25:26
  S2: you to a couple different things. We've got a key
• 25:28
  S2: word for you. Birthday to 800 555 7898. As we
• 25:34
  S2: celebrate 100 years of Moody Radio. There's a. We've created
• 25:37
  S2: a dedicated website allows you to find this book. This
• 25:40
  S2: is Moody radio 100 years of Proclaiming the gospel. And
• 25:43
  S2: then also share your story with us. I know some
• 25:46
  S2: of you have been with us for a lot of years,
• 25:48
  S2: and this is a walk down memory lane. We want
• 25:50
  S2: to hear from you too, though. Your stories, your memories,
• 25:54
  S2: the impact Moody Radio has made on your family. Just
• 25:57
  S2: text birthday to 805 557898.
• 26:01
  S1: Phil, one last question. What is the most important thing
• 26:06
  S1: that you want our listeners, new and old to know
• 26:10
  S1: from you right now?
• 26:12
  S16: I believe that the most important thing is to show up,
• 26:17
  S16: to show up. If you see God at work in
• 26:19
  S16: your life now I'm borrowing, borrowing from Henry Blackaby. If
• 26:22
  S16: you see God at work in your life around you
• 26:25
  S16: and the people, it's usually his invitation for you to
• 26:27
  S16: join in it. I've always loved that concept, and what
• 26:30
  S16: I see here are people who didn't know what they
• 26:34
  S16: were doing, but yet they knew inside that this was
• 26:37
  S16: going to advance the gospel in the lives of thousands.
• 26:41
  S16: I mean, multiple, multiple, multiple. The classroom where you've got
• 26:45
  S16: 20 people. We started radio school of the Bible, and
• 26:49
  S16: all of a sudden we're broadcasting to tens of thousands,
• 26:52
  S16: if not hundreds of thousands of people, and they're getting
• 26:54
  S16: certificates through the mail for their their coursework. So it
• 26:58
  S16: was showing up. It was being faithful to what you had.
• 27:02
  S16: And then having a spirit, a pioneering spirit of innovation
• 27:07
  S16: that says, if we can do this, maybe we can
• 27:09
  S16: do that. And to think to go from one station
• 27:12
  S16: at 500W, to go all the way to an international
• 27:16
  S16: global ministry, that Moody Radio is today, because people were
• 27:20
  S16: faithful at each juncture along the way.
• 27:23
  S1: Phil Shapard everybody again, that key word birthday. And in that,
• 27:27
  S1: you're going to get a couple of things, an opportunity
• 27:29
  S1: to respond and a first look for you at this
• 27:32
  S1: is Moody Radio, brand new release, 100 Years of Proclaiming
• 27:37
  S1: the Gospel. Check it out. Text birthday to 805 557898.
• 27:46
  S15: Your shot of hope to get you through the day.
• 27:49
  S4: You are so, so loved. God does not want you
• 27:53
  S4: to stay in your past, and I want you to
• 27:55
  S4: know and believe that today.
• 27:56
  S15: You're listening to Carl and crew.
• 27:58
  S1: Knowing that Christ is risen and Knowing that Christ is risen.
• 28:05
  S1: Those are two different things, Ali and J.
• 28:08
  S2: Warner. Wallace. You know, his ministry is to really help
• 28:11
  S2: equip people with not just what they believe, but understanding
• 28:16
  S2: why they believe.
• 28:18
  S1: One of the best apologists out there.
• 28:19
  S2: I am such a big fan.
• 28:21
  S17: You are a huge fan of this guy.
• 28:23
  S1: What do you love most about this dude?
• 28:25
  S2: I think just the clinical. I mean, when you're when
• 28:28
  S2: you're a homicide, la homicide detective, you're not, like, really
• 28:33
  S2: an emotions first guy.
• 28:36
  S5: No.
• 28:36
  S1: You're all. It's almost. And I don't mean this in
• 28:40
  S1: a degrading way. Demeaning way. But there's a certain calculated
• 28:45
  S1: ness to him that almost makes it feel like robotic,
• 28:48
  S1: but filled with the spirit. So it's, like, filled with
• 28:51
  S1: the spirit.
• 28:52
  S2: Spirit filled truth. And I think his personality and his
• 28:56
  S2: approach appeals to other people who may not consider themselves
• 29:00
  S2: like super emotional. They're kind of a. Just give me
• 29:03
  S2: just the facts, ma'am. And so when he sorted it
• 29:06
  S2: all out when he was 35 years old and had
• 29:09
  S2: to really take a look at is it true, he said,
• 29:12
  S2: I didn't become a Christian because like, I felt like
• 29:15
  S2: there was this deep need in my life. I became
• 29:17
  S2: a Christian because it was true. And so it was like, yeah,
• 29:21
  S2: that's a good reason to become a Christian.
• 29:23
  S1: You know what's funny about that? I would imagine most
• 29:26
  S1: homicide detectives don't see their need for much of anything
• 29:31
  S1: just by nature of who these guys are.
• 29:35
  S2: That was him all the way. And he'd be the
• 29:37
  S2: first one to tell you it was true. And so
• 29:39
  S2: then I had to confront. What am I going to
• 29:41
  S2: do with the fact that this thing that I know
• 29:43
  S2: is true kind of runs up against everything I've built
• 29:46
  S2: my life on.
• 29:47
  S1: Oh, buckle up, grab that swig of water. We got J. Warner,
• 29:52
  S1: Wallace ducking in.
• 29:54
  S15: Tune in whenever you like. Check out the Carl and
• 29:57
  S15: Crew podcast wherever you like to stream J Warner.
• 30:00
  S1: Wallace. I'm dying to know this. I've never asked you this.
• 30:04
  S1: What's the coolest cold case you ever broke on? The
• 30:08
  S1: smallest fragment of evidence to break that case wide open.
• 30:13
  S18: Oh, gosh. Um, well, I had a case one time
• 30:16
  S18: that I. We broke because the guy left a piece
• 30:19
  S18: of shoe foam at the crime scene, and it sat
• 30:22
  S18: there for 30 years. No one could figure out what
• 30:23
  S18: this piece of foam was. And it turns out he
• 30:26
  S18: was the kind of guy who didn't untie his boots
• 30:28
  S18: and he would just slip them off and on, and
• 30:31
  S18: he wore out the back of the boot. And when
• 30:33
  S18: he was kneeling down after he had killed this girl
• 30:35
  S18: to take money out of her purse, his heel rose
• 30:38
  S18: up on the back of his boot and popped out
• 30:41
  S18: the foam. And it was laying at the crime scene.
• 30:43
  S18: And it was. And people were looking at that for
• 30:45
  S18: years and couldn't figure out what it was. And we
• 30:47
  S18: ultimately found the boot. Uh, this is 30 years later.
• 30:51
  S18: We found the boot where the foam came from. And
• 30:54
  S18: it also showed that every other pair of shoes he
• 30:56
  S18: had was messed up that way. So he just had
• 30:58
  S18: this pattern, you know? And sure enough, that was that
• 31:01
  S18: piece of foam ended up being the deal killer for him.
• 31:04
  S5: What do you.
• 31:05
  S1: What do you guys do when you find evidence like that?
• 31:08
  S1: Is it just high fives all around? I mean, that's
• 31:11
  S1: got to be pretty exhilarating.
• 31:13
  S18: Oh, no, it definitely was. I'm. I'm feeling from the
• 31:15
  S18: very beginning was if I can just put this to
• 31:17
  S18: this guy in any way, if it came off his shoulder,
• 31:19
  S18: if it came off his backpack, we just got to
• 31:21
  S18: figure out where did this foam come from because it
• 31:23
  S18: was clearly not part of the crime scene. So it
• 31:25
  S18: wasn't part of the scene before the crime. So. So
• 31:27
  S18: we knew it had to belong to the suspect. So
• 31:29
  S18: when that happens, it was as a matter of fact,
• 31:31
  S18: that case was not my first cold case, but it
• 31:34
  S18: was the case that ultimately convinced our agency to open
• 31:37
  S18: up a cold case team for about a decade.
• 31:39
  S5: Wow.
• 31:39
  S18: It was good.
• 31:40
  S5: Okay.
• 31:41
  S1: Anyone else glad I asked that question?
• 31:43
  S5: How about them apples? That's fascinating.
• 31:45
  S1: So now you get this regenerated J. Warner. Wallace who?
• 31:49
  S1: God just rocks your soul. What in the world spurred
• 31:53
  S1: you on to take this? really trade tools of the
• 31:57
  S1: trade and apply it to this newfound faith. And in fact,
• 32:00
  S1: you leveraged it before you even came to Christ, right?
• 32:03
  S18: Oh, absolutely. Like anybody else, if you're somebody who, let's
• 32:07
  S18: say you're a just a historian or you're a teacher
• 32:09
  S18: of philosophy, okay, well, then when you come to the Gospels,
• 32:12
  S18: you're reading it through that lens. That's who you are.
• 32:14
  S18: So the same was true for me. I, I was,
• 32:16
  S18: I had this skill set about eyewitness accounts. And people
• 32:19
  S18: will say all the time to me, well, these aren't
• 32:21
  S18: eyewitness accounts. Well, look, when we have an eyewitness, we
• 32:24
  S18: don't just give them a piece of paper and tell him,
• 32:26
  S18: write down your account. We interview him and we write
• 32:29
  S18: the account. And so what you have is a supplemental
• 32:32
  S18: report written by a detective who's basically quoting what the
• 32:36
  S18: witness says. Well, same thing is happening with Luke. He says,
• 32:38
  S18: I'm talking to the eyewitnesses and servants of the word,
• 32:41
  S18: and I'm writing the account doesn't have to be written
• 32:43
  S18: by the eyewitness in order to be an eyewitness account.
• 32:46
  S18: That's just the nature of all of our supplemental reports. So.
• 32:50
  S18: So I just knew that was a process I could apply.
• 32:52
  S18: And this is the thing that I think is fascinating. Well, yeah,
• 32:55
  S18: we can go to the scriptures for sure and talk
• 32:57
  S18: about what the scriptures say about hope, and that's what
• 33:00
  S18: we should be doing. But isn't it interesting that the
• 33:02
  S18: Bible describes the world the way it really is, and
• 33:05
  S18: what it describes about hope we know is true even
• 33:08
  S18: if we didn't have a Bible. There are studies now
• 33:11
  S18: that have shown how some people have more hope than others,
• 33:15
  S18: and what it is that gives them that hope. And
• 33:17
  S18: often it is. It is really a view of the
• 33:20
  S18: world that includes some sense that we have an expectation
• 33:25
  S18: of a life after this one. Yeah. As a matter
• 33:28
  S18: of fact, people who have a sense that we will
• 33:30
  S18: live beyond the grave, thrive, and they have much more hope.
• 33:35
  S18: They behave differently, even under critical illnesses. And of all
• 33:39
  S18: the ways that this happens, Christianity is the best. You
• 33:42
  S18: know what they call it? They call it the persisting self.
• 33:45
  S18: People who have a strong view of what is called
• 33:49
  S18: the persisting self after you die have a better sense
• 33:53
  S18: of hope, especially as as they're aging. And so, for example,
• 33:58
  S18: other views have a sense that you might have a
• 34:00
  S18: life after this one, but you don't persist the you
• 34:03
  S18: that you know. So, for example, if you're a Buddhist,
• 34:06
  S18: they don't believe in the existence of self at all.
• 34:09
  S18: According to Buddhism, your sense of self is just an illusion. Yeah, right.
• 34:12
  S18: That's why for that reason, you're not going to extend
• 34:14
  S18: beyond your mortal existence because they don't have a sense
• 34:17
  S18: of self. Hinduism argues for a reincarnation of self. So yes,
• 34:22
  S18: the self there's another version of self, but it's not you.
• 34:25
  S18: That's why it's not the persisting you that moves on.
• 34:29
  S18: It's a reincarnated, a completely different self. Of course, atheism
• 34:34
  S18: offers for no persistent self beyond the grave. But what
• 34:37
  S18: does Christianity offer? It offers this sense that you will
• 34:41
  S18: still be you, the you that you know will persist
• 34:43
  S18: beyond the grave. That's so and so. It turns out
• 34:47
  S18: that sense of persisting itself is what the you know,
• 34:51
  S18: what non-believers call it. But the reality of it is,
• 34:53
  S18: is we believe there is a persisting self and that's
• 34:55
  S18: why we thrive. It. We should. Now, look, does that
• 34:57
  S18: mean every Christian is going to thrive? No. There are
• 34:59
  S18: lots of Christians you and I know who don't have hope.
• 35:01
  S18: And it's likely because they are not leaning in to
• 35:05
  S18: what Scripture teaches. So there's a connection, like you said
• 35:08
  S18: before we started talking here, between your sense of how
• 35:11
  S18: much do I know about Scripture? What does Scripture teach
• 35:14
  S18: and how does it affect the way I live?
• 35:15
  S5: Yeah.
• 35:16
  S2: J Warner Wallace, our guest right now, he's a Dateline
• 35:18
  S2: featured cold case, homicide detective, popular national speaker, podcast host,
• 35:23
  S2: bestselling author, cold case Christianity. You know, you mentioned a
• 35:27
  S2: couple of different worldviews, religions, belief systems. And one thing
• 35:31
  S2: that I've heard you say often, which I think is
• 35:33
  S2: really helpful for understanding your perspective, that when you ask
• 35:36
  S2: people why they believe anything, whether they are an atheist
• 35:40
  S2: or a Buddhist or a Christian, surprisingly, people give very
• 35:45
  S2: similar answers. Tell us what those answers are and why
• 35:48
  S2: that is important for us to understand.
• 35:51
  S18: Well, the answer is, sadly, the most popular answer is
• 35:53
  S18: I was raised that way. But the second most popular
• 35:56
  S18: answer is probably in some ways not much better. You
• 35:59
  S18: can be raised some way and not be raised in
• 36:00
  S18: the truth. I mean, that's clearly most of us who
• 36:02
  S18: would say we were atheists for years, but that was
• 36:05
  S18: probably our situation. But the second popular answer is, well,
• 36:08
  S18: I've had an experience that demonstrates for me that this
• 36:11
  S18: view of the world is true. I prayed a prayer.
• 36:13
  S18: It was answered. I had something that seemed to me
• 36:15
  S18: to be so unlikely it could happen by natural causes
• 36:19
  S18: that it had to be God. But the problem, of course,
• 36:22
  S18: is that everyone who believes in any version of God
• 36:25
  S18: that is still their most popular answer to. So if
• 36:29
  S18: we're going to say it was my experience, well, this
• 36:32
  S18: is what my my Mormon friends would do. They would
• 36:33
  S18: go door to door in their missions trip, and at
• 36:35
  S18: some point they're going to share their personal experience. Well,
• 36:38
  S18: of course they would have to do that because you
• 36:40
  S18: cannot share the historical accuracy of the Book of Mormon
• 36:44
  S18: because it's not historically accurate. I know I say that
• 36:47
  S18: in a show like this where so many of us now, um,
• 36:50
  S18: so many people who are raised LDS would say, well,
• 36:54
  S18: we're Christians too. But to be honest, the dividing line
• 36:57
  S18: for Christianity is, well, do you believe in the triune
• 36:59
  S18: nature of the Godhead? Yeah, because the triune formulation, the Trinity,
• 37:03
  S18: is the deal killer. It separates us from from Mormons,
• 37:06
  S18: from LDS Latter day Saints. And we would say that
• 37:09
  S18: that's outside the boundary of what we believe as Christians. So,
• 37:13
  S18: so they really are a different group. And they would
• 37:15
  S18: say that they came to their experience because they read
• 37:17
  S18: the Book of Mormon, they prayed about it, and they
• 37:19
  S18: had an experience that demonstrated it was true. That's why
• 37:22
  S18: we have to be very careful of unchecked experiences. We
• 37:26
  S18: have to measure the experience against something that we know.
• 37:30
  S18: Whatever worldview you hold, if you want to think that
• 37:32
  S18: Buddhism is true, fine, then you're going to be measuring
• 37:34
  S18: your experience against the scriptures of Buddhism. So you have
• 37:38
  S18: to measure our experience against something. And that's why I
• 37:42
  S18: think we have to do more than just have an experience.
• 37:44
  S18: We have to know what is biblically true, isn't it?
• 37:46
  S1: Yeah. Just a quick comment. Isn't it fascinating, Jay Warner,
• 37:50
  S1: that you can take a Greek article, a a god
• 37:53
  S1: and twist the entire Trinity in a heartbeat, my friend.
• 37:59
  S18: No, there's no doubt about this. And I've been podcasting
• 38:01
  S18: about this year because I think that this idea is,
• 38:04
  S18: is Jesus just the most important first creation of God,
• 38:09
  S18: or is he God incarnate? And if he's God incarnate,
• 38:12
  S18: that creates all kinds of problems for monotheism, unless the
• 38:15
  S18: Trinity is true, right? So, so we have, and it
• 38:18
  S18: makes sense because your experience, it turns out the thing
• 38:20
  S18: that defines us as humans largely is our sense of
• 38:24
  S18: desire for relationship and community. Well, why do we have this?
• 38:28
  S18: Why it seems sometimes like you'd be better off if
• 38:30
  S18: you could just figure out how to, to be independent
• 38:32
  S18: of the relationships that that hurt you. But the reality
• 38:35
  S18: of it is you have no you're created in the
• 38:37
  S18: image of a triune God who has been in relationship
• 38:40
  S18: from all eternity. If Allah is God, he would only
• 38:44
  S18: know about relationships once he creates something to relate to.
• 38:48
  S18: In other words, he would have to learn about love
• 38:50
  S18: when he creates the first object he could love. But
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  S18: this isn't true for for Yahweh. He's been in a
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  S18: triune love relationship from all eternity. That sense that you have,
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  S18: that you desire, that kind of relationship is in you.
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  S18: Because we are created in the image of a God
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  S18: who is love. And that's what the. The Trinity explains
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  S18: that passage when we say that God is not. It's
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  S18: not that God learned how to love or God could
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  S18: create love. It's that God has been in this love
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  S18: relationship from all eternity.
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  S1: Let us make man in our image. Okay, coming up here.
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  S1: J Warner Wallace. We're going to throw you a fastball here.
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  S1: You're a cold case guy. You can handle it. Give
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  S1: us the top five evidences of the risen Jesus. I'm
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  S1: just hitting them cold, guys. He'll have it. He'll handle
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  S1: it straight ahead.
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  S15: He's a sports fanatic with a stat for anything you
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  S15: can think of. Young Thunder is in the crew. It's
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  S15: curl and crew on Moody Radio.
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  S1: With this right now special guest J. Warner. Wallace all right, J.
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  S1: Warner let's go. My man. Give us the top five.
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  S1: From your perspective of great evidences of the resurrection of
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  S1: Christ that will instill hope into us today.
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  S18: Well, okay, a couple of things here. I would say
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  S18: I take a view that's very much driven by my
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  S18: investigative work. So, number one, they're written early. The documents
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  S18: are written early. Any claim that the documents are written
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  S18: after the lives of eyewitnesses is really based on a prejudice,
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  S18: because they mention things that are so prophetic that people
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  S18: don't want to believe that somebody could actually, you know,
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  S18: predict the destruction of the temple. I've shown Cold Case Christianity,
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  S18: the book I wrote that you can date these back
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  S18: within the lifetime of eyewitnesses. And there are many scholars
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  S18: who also agree that you can date these back to
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  S18: within the lifetime of eyewitnesses. Why is that important? Because
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  S18: if you want to lie about Jesus, the best thing
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  S18: to do is to wait till everyone knows the truth
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  S18: is dead. But if you're doing this while people are
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  S18: still alive, who can call you out? That is very risky.
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  S18: And these are written, I think, within the late 40s.
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  S18: The first I think Mark, for example, comes up pretty late.
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  S18: I mean, pretty early, rather in the late 40s, early 50s.
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  S18: And I can show you how the things that are
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  S18: missing from the book of acts demonstrate that it's written
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  S18: before those things happened and those things happened in the 60s.
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  S18: So you've got good reason to believe that the book
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  S18: is written early. That's number one. So that's the first
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  S18: test of eyewitnesses. Number two, it hasn't changed over time.
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  S18: Now changing over time is the idea that you have
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  S18: a legend that grows, that Jesus, the resurrection, is just
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  S18: this late legend. But here's the problem. It's not late.
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  S18: We already know that. And it's not legendary because we
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  S18: can trace what was said about Jesus from John through
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  S18: his disciples Ignatius and Polycarp and Papias to their disciple
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  S18: Irenaeus to his disciple Hippolytus, you can trace the story
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  S18: of Jesus through time. And what you're going to find
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  S18: is that every remarkable, crazy, miraculous aspect of the Jesus
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  S18: story starts early, doesn't change. You don't have to believe it,
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  S18: but you cannot argue it's a late legend because it's
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  S18: not legendary. Three. They can be corroborated. Remember, corroboration is
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  S18: all touch point corroboration. I'm not going to have a
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  S18: video that shows him doing it from a cold case
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  S18: in 1970. But I can tell you there's enough touch
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  S18: point corroboration in here. We have lots of good archaeological
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  S18: touchpoint evidence that demonstrates that some of the things that
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  S18: were doubted, for example, in the book of acts for
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  S18: hundreds of years, people doubted things that only Luke mentions
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  S18: in this one document. But now we have good archaeological
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  S18: support to to support the claims of of Luke in
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  S18: the book of acts.
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  S5: Healing pools.
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  S1: In the.
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  S5: Lake.
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  S18: Yeah. That's another good reason. For example, to the pool
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  S18: that is mentioned in John that was destroyed in 70 A.D.
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  S18: yet he's mentioning it as though it still exists to
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  S18: his reader. Another good evidence. This is written before 70 AD.
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  S18: So there's lots of these kinds of things and touch
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  S18: point evidence. Also just the internal consistency. It turns out
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  S18: that the people who write the Bibles happen to know
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  S18: what the most popular names are of people who live
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  S18: in the region, whereas people who write the false gospels
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  S18: in Egypt, they don't know the names of the people.
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  S18: They don't mention cities specifically. They didn't know the region well.
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  S18: There's all kinds of internal corroboration also. That's in the Gospels.
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  S18: Fourth thing, they lack a motive. Like they didn't gain
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  S18: anything out of the three areas that people will try
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  S18: to gain something in order. That's why they tell their
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  S18: lie to begin with. Sex, money and power. Those are
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  S18: the three reasons why anyone tells a lie. Yet these
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  S18: like like Paul, for example, who writes more New Testament
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  S18: books than anyone else. What is he getting out of
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  S18: this in those three areas? These people didn't even have
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  S18: the ability to stop their own deaths for making these claims. Now,
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  S18: you and I, we might say we'd be willing to
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  S18: die for what we don't know is a lie. But
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  S18: this is the group that would have known if it's
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  S18: a lie. So when people are willing to die for that,
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  S18: that that generation matters. We don't matter so much. Our
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  S18: willingness to die because lots of people die for what
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  S18: they don't know is a lie. But these people would
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  S18: have known if it was a lie. So that's number four.
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  S18: Number five. It turns out if the Bible is true,
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  S18: it ought to describe you the way that you really are.
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  S18: And it does. It is accurate. So biblical anthropology is
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  S18: another line of evidence we can use to demonstrate that
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  S18: it's true. Number. Let's go to six. It turns out
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  S18: that if Jesus is the God who created the world,
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  S18: when he steps into his creation, he ought to have
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  S18: more impact on history than any other person. And if
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  S18: you will simply examine the impact of Jesus and his
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  S18: followers on science, on art, on music, on education, on
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  S18: on medicine. Yeah. I mean, you go on, you go
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  S18: on and on. You will see that no one has
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  S18: impacted the world, the world that we live in today.
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  S18: Even the things that you would say as an atheist
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  S18: that you care about art, music, literature, education, science, those
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  S18: things are radically changed by Jesus and his followers because
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  S18: he is the God who created us to begin with.
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  S18: And finally, if you were to look at the number
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  S18: of ways to describe the empty tomb, and I looked
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  S18: at all of the atheist theories, it turns out the
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  S18: Christian view is the absolute most as the most explanatory power.
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  S18: If you simply remove your bias against anything supernatural to
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  S18: begin with. And there's the problem. This is why, for example,
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  S18: there are like 6 or 7 atheist explanations for the
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  S18: empty tomb. You know why? Because they know they don't work.
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  S18: If you hold on to to explanation one, it's because
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  S18: you reject two, three, four, five, and six from your
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  S18: atheist friends. That's true. Those those explanations don't work. That's
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  S18: why there are so many of them. If you'll simply
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  S18: reject this idea that there's nothing outside of space, time
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  S18: and matter. And there's good reason, even if you're an atheist,
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  S18: to believe there's something outside of space, time and matter.
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  S18: You believe that the universe was created, that it begins,
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  S18: and that there is no space, time and matter before
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  S18: it began. So that means whatever causes it has to
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  S18: be outside of space, time and matter. The only question is,
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  S18: is that cause the God that's described on the pages
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  S18: of scripture.
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  S5: Yes.
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  S18: Yeah. And so that's, that's just a thumbnail sketch of
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  S18: what I would say.
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  S5: Thumbnail. Thumbnail that's called.
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  S1: Fire.
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  S5: Hose thumbnail. That's beautiful.
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  S2: J Warner Wallace, our guest. He has written quite a
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  S2: few books. He mentioned Cold Case Christianity, one of his
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  S2: most popular. He also has a podcast, a blog, a
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  S2: lot of resources on his website. I'm looking at it
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  S2: right now. If you spent just a couple of minutes
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  S2: going through some of what's there, you're, you're, I believe
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  S2: you're going to have some hope rising, particularly if you
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