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TempTayshia · The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast

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  Speaker 1: This is the Benn and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast
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  Speaker 1: with i R Radio. Tassia has still not disappointed. Uh.
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  Speaker 1: The guys actually so good I mean and the guys
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  Speaker 1: actually I feel like for the first time, tastion has
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  Speaker 1: been great. But these guys after after this week, I say, uh,
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  Speaker 1: and tell me if I'm wrong, Like, they're not disappointing now.
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  Speaker 1: They had disappointed me. Up until this week, I just
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  Speaker 1: felt like I didn't know them, I didn't know what
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  Speaker 1: was going on. And this week I'm leaving this episode
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  Speaker 1: going these guys got something special. I wish I could elaborate,
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  Speaker 1: but you know, I mean. So, Hey, We're back with
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  Speaker 1: another episode in the Almost Famous Podcast. We're breaking down
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  Speaker 1: tatious season. We have some incredible guests today. We wanna
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  Speaker 1: tell you all listeners to tune in for the whole
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  Speaker 1: episode because it's gonna be stacked full. We have Kenny
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  Speaker 1: from this season of The Bachelorette coming on to talk
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  Speaker 1: about everything behind the scenes his life. I'm sure Ashley's
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  Speaker 1: super curious on his job and what a boy band managing,
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  Speaker 1: um my gosh. And then we're gonna have right now
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  Speaker 1: the Queen of the franchise Caitlin Bristow wanted to talk
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  Speaker 1: about her victory on Dance with Stars and having the
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  Speaker 1: mirror ball by her side now for a long time.
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  Speaker 1: Caitlin Bristol will be coming on. But hey, we have
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  Speaker 1: Bachelor headlines to break down, and Ashley, as usual, you
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  Speaker 1: know that you are the expert on this and I
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  Speaker 1: know I know these headlines do not disappoint. So here
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  Speaker 1: we go. Let's dive in. Hey, let's do it. Bachelor
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  Speaker 1: Nations are a lion. Dyke Junior reveals he tested positive
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  Speaker 1: for COVID nineteen. It's been rough, he says this, according
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  Speaker 1: to People magazine. Yeah, he came out on Thursday, said
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  Speaker 1: that he was diagnosed with COVID nine days ago, which
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  Speaker 1: is why he was not appearing on social media for
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  Speaker 1: a while. She said that, you know they've been he
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  Speaker 1: and Lauren and their daughter have been pretty far apart
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  Speaker 1: from him the house at least twenty five ft away tomorrow,
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  Speaker 1: as in like Friday. This past Friday, he got to
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  Speaker 1: see if he was cleared and he was so um
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  Speaker 1: that that that's it. Um. I didn't say anything about
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  Speaker 1: his symptoms. I actually think that he was pretty much asymptomatic. Well,
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  Speaker 1: you know, a lot of people right now around the
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  Speaker 1: country and around the world are still struggling with this virus.
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  Speaker 1: It's more prevalent than ever. So it's not a shock
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  Speaker 1: right that r. Liondyke Jr. Has COVID, but we do
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  Speaker 1: want to update you anytime people do. Now, speaking of illnesses,
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  Speaker 1: there is somebody in the Bachelor Nation that is literally
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  Speaker 1: the picture of health typically. I mean, this guy Uh
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  Speaker 1: runs ultramarathons, he does triathlons. He is a former professional
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  Speaker 1: football player. I've been around him many times and he's
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  Speaker 1: quite a few years older than me, but his activity
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  Speaker 1: level and his UH endurance has always shocked me. And
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  Speaker 1: so this is a weird story actually, and I want
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  Speaker 1: to hear what you think. Bachelor Nations. Trista Sutter says,
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  Speaker 1: husband Ryan's ruggling with a mystery illness. This according to
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  Speaker 1: the online I know, this is so sad. So Tris
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  Speaker 1: has said that he's at the point where he can't
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  Speaker 1: work or cook, or exercise or even be with the family.
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  Speaker 1: And they've been struggling this for months and struggling to
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  Speaker 1: get answers. They did get a huge relief recently finding
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  Speaker 1: out that he does not have cancer. Um, but there's
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  Speaker 1: still no diagnosis for the discomfort that he's feeling. Um,
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  Speaker 1: this is how horrible is that it's just scary with
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  Speaker 1: the unknown and and and again I want to emphasize
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  Speaker 1: like this guy is like super healthy. I mean, he
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  Speaker 1: takes health very seriously. He always has since I've known him.
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  Speaker 1: He's pushed me, um to you know, to be a
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  Speaker 1: just more active as I get older. And so this
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  Speaker 1: is this is not something like gloss over like this
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  Speaker 1: is there's something going on. And so they're in our
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  Speaker 1: thoughts and prayers. And we'll try to update you as
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  Speaker 1: this story continues. But it is something to watch his
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  Speaker 1: Bachelor Nations, so your support for Ryan, interested in the
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  Speaker 1: in the family, so sad um. Yeah, we'll keep you updated,
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  Speaker 1: you guys. And I just want to go back to
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  Speaker 1: Ari's COVID diagnosis for a second. Like the headline was,
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  Speaker 1: it's been rough. But yeah, even though he hasn't been symptomatic,
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  Speaker 1: what he meant by it's been rough is that he
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  Speaker 1: hasn't been able to do with his girls. For he
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  Speaker 1: has been well touched you know, his family in over
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  Speaker 1: a week. So that's what sucks about it, Ashley. There's
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  Speaker 1: been rumors around this couple really since they got together,
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  Speaker 1: Rumors that things weren't going well, things that that you
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  Speaker 1: know they were that you know they were struggling, But
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  Speaker 1: they continue to prove to us that things are going fine.
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  Speaker 1: Bachelor Nations uh Claire Crawley and Dale Moss spend First
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  Speaker 1: Things Given together after engagement. Some a little confused by
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  Speaker 1: this because he's from Minnesota, and I thought that most
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  Speaker 1: of his family was living in Minnesota. Still right South Dakota.
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  Speaker 1: I thought he was in South Dakota, South Dakota, Thank
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  Speaker 1: you so South Dakota. But apparently they spent time with
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  Speaker 1: some of his family in Lahoya, California this past Thanksgiving.
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  Speaker 1: They drove down with a seven hour road trip. Claire
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  Speaker 1: said that she loved the quality time with Dale. They
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  Speaker 1: have a family farm there, so they got chickens. She
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  Speaker 1: was running around the chickens on social media. We saw
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  Speaker 1: them running around of the beach um. She said that
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  Speaker 1: she was, you know, just seeing what she posted on
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  Speaker 1: social She was saying that like they've been getting in
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  Speaker 1: bed at like six o'clock, drinking hot chocolate, watching romantic
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  Speaker 1: Christmas movies. She said that she very much enjoyed her
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  Speaker 1: holiday with dale Um and I guess the family. It
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  Speaker 1: sounds like a dream, sounds like an absolute dream to
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  Speaker 1: go to bed at six o'clock drin chocolate with yours.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know's, I can't think of anything is much better? Hey? Uh?
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  Speaker 1: Speaking to Claire, she came out this week on her
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  Speaker 1: social media and said she's been going through things after
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  Speaker 1: her bachelorette exit, and her quote is I am simply
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  Speaker 1: trying my best Disaccording to people, the caption goes, Hi,
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  Speaker 1: it's me Claire, not Claire that you've seen edited on
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  Speaker 1: your television or social media squares, but the human with
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  Speaker 1: feelings and securities, emotions, any normal life, just like you,
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  Speaker 1: and just like you know, I'm going through things big
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  Speaker 1: and small that all of us experience at some point
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  Speaker 1: or another, just like you. I can be shy and
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  Speaker 1: awkward or even fighting off my anxiety the best I
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  Speaker 1: can that day. They are good days and bad days.
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  Speaker 1: Being on reality TV does not exempt me or any
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  Speaker 1: of us from that. I will do my best to
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  Speaker 1: rise above the negativity and find the positive. But I'm
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  Speaker 1: not a superhuman. So when you choose to pass judgments
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  Speaker 1: without knowing someone personally, or even something as small as
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  Speaker 1: a snide comment. Please remember that, just like you, I'm
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  Speaker 1: simply trying my best. And then Dale responded to this
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  Speaker 1: Instagram posting, You're never alone. Your strength, love and passion
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  Speaker 1: has and will continue to help so many people out
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  Speaker 1: there who may be afraid to share their struggles. It
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  Speaker 1: can't be easy. I mean, her exit obviously was controversial. Uh,
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  Speaker 1: it wasn't what Batchel Nation was thinking was going to happen. Obviously,
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  Speaker 1: Tascia has done a great job, but um, the you know,
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  Speaker 1: the feedback coming after her exit has been tough, and
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  Speaker 1: so it is always helpful to see people share vulnerability
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  Speaker 1: and Claire has definitely done that. Now, we had just
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  Speaker 1: a few weeks ago our friends giving, and um, it
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  Speaker 1: was awesome. It was really fun, and we actually had
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  Speaker 1: a couple of really special guests from Batchelor Nation with us.
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  Speaker 1: One of those guests was Crystal Nielsen, Well Bachelor Nations.
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  Speaker 1: Crystal Nielsen reveals the sex of her first baby. Disaccording
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  Speaker 1: to e she's having a girl. I kind of expected it.
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  Speaker 1: I just vibed it, didn't you. Yeah, I mean, is
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  Speaker 1: this weird? I don't know if this is gonna get
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  Speaker 1: a lot of hate or not. But it just kind
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  Speaker 1: of feels like Crystal is a girl mom. Yeah, She's
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  Speaker 1: just like she's like, yeah, she's like a girl mom. Like, Um,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know, I just got that feeling so fun
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  Speaker 1: and end that it's almost I almost can't imagine her
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  Speaker 1: growing a boy. So Crystal Neilsen is having a girl. Well, hey,
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  Speaker 1: actually this is a tough story. Um, this is this
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  Speaker 1: is the worst. Yeah, this one really just shook um
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  Speaker 1: and I shook me this week. Uh, the headline reads,
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  Speaker 1: this Bachelor's Ashley Spivey is devastated by second pregnancy loss
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  Speaker 1: after delivering beautiful son Christopher. Now you know, one thing
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  Speaker 1: has happened here recently and uh, and moms and and
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  Speaker 1: dad's are starting to become more open about their struggles
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  Speaker 1: with pregnancy and it's becoming less taboo to talk about it,
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  Speaker 1: and which is helpful for so many because so many people,
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  Speaker 1: a large part of the population, do struggle to get
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  Speaker 1: pregnant and then to carry a child. Well, this this
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  Speaker 1: hit deep. This is according to US Weekly, So here
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  Speaker 1: what happened? Ashley revealed to all of us that she
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  Speaker 1: suffered a pregnancy lost on Thursday, November twenty six. Then
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  Speaker 1: her caption reads we delivered Christopher James at four pm,
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  Speaker 1: the Bachelor lum who was thirty six years old. Caption
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  Speaker 1: and Instagram post like his namesake my dad. He was
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  Speaker 1: taken too early from us. His death as a result
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  Speaker 1: of a cord being wrapped around his neck. He was
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  Speaker 1: absolutely beautiful with my eyes and dark hair and Steve
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  Speaker 1: her husband's nose and lips. The former reality start concluded
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  Speaker 1: that she and her husband are devastated by the laws.
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  Speaker 1: So everybody's almost famous podcast. Uh and and I can
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  Speaker 1: think I can speak for all of us listening, all
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  Speaker 1: of Bachelor Nation. Um is is there to mourn with you, Ashley,
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  Speaker 1: to take a second today and just think about how
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  Speaker 1: lucky we are if we have had a kid or
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  Speaker 1: you know that we are alive in this earth like
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  Speaker 1: it does you know it did for me, Ashley, was
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  Speaker 1: it made me take a step back and and every
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  Speaker 1: once a while we have these moments where like just
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  Speaker 1: being alive, like just having breath, um feels so sacred,
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  Speaker 1: like it almost just like shutters you in a and
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  Speaker 1: just like appreciation and thankfulness and um, so we're just
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  Speaker 1: we're thinking of you. Ashley and her husband Steve. During
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  Speaker 1: this tough time. Uh. Moving on Kindle Long Reveals if
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  Speaker 1: she'd returned to Bachelor in Paradise and US Weekly's Candle
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  Speaker 1: Light Confessions, she said that she tries to live as
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  Speaker 1: if she's not depending on Bachelor World to find her
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  Speaker 1: future husband, because then she would just be holding off
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  Speaker 1: on finding love. Um. However, she said, she's had nothing
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  Speaker 1: but amazing experiences and it has worked her in the past,
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  Speaker 1: so if it worked for her once, maybe it could
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  Speaker 1: work for her twice. She said, I'm not trying to
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  Speaker 1: put all my eggs in the bachelor basket. I'm still
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  Speaker 1: dating and I'm still single. Huh. It's uh, well, hey,
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  Speaker 1: Kendall is always one that is intriguing, right, There's like
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  Speaker 1: a lot of curiosity around Kindle So who knows what's
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  Speaker 1: gonna happen next, but the Bachelor next timeline is The
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  Speaker 1: Bachelor finally dropped a bunch of new Matt James promos.
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  Speaker 1: This according to Cosmo Allton. So in these promos, we
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  Speaker 1: see a couple of things. We see a contestant rolling
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  Speaker 1: up in a carriage. We see a contestant arriving in lingerie.
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  Speaker 1: Like I discussed with you last week, there's a contestant
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  Speaker 1: literally falling over um. Hence the all the puns that
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  Speaker 1: will have about falling from Matt. Then, of course we
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  Speaker 1: see lots of Matt wandering in the foliage of Pennsylvania shirtless.
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  Speaker 1: And then we have this new phrase, the Matchlor. I
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  Speaker 1: don't know if that's like gonna work it the match layer,
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  Speaker 1: the bachelor of the Matchler. I guess, so do you
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  Speaker 1: think about that? Isn't a stretch? I think. I don't
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  Speaker 1: think it sticks. I think mattice something else. The sticks
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  Speaker 1: like the match. I don't think people are gonna be
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  Speaker 1: going down in town and be like if you watched
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  Speaker 1: the Matchlor this week, it's no Wanuary or Prince Farming. No,
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  Speaker 1: it's not. But it works. And again we're super pumped
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  Speaker 1: for that season. We have a great season of the Bachelotte.
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  Speaker 1: Like we said, we're gonna break down today with special
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  Speaker 1: guest Kenny, and then we'll break down the episode between
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  Speaker 1: Ashley and I. But it is super exciting, um to
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  Speaker 1: know that matches right at a corner. Well, hey, speaking
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  Speaker 1: of right around the corner, We're gonna talk to Kenny
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  Speaker 1: in a little bit about paradise. Do you feel over
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  Speaker 1: go on or who he thinks will go on, but
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  Speaker 1: until we do. Chris Harrison reveals plans for Bachelor in
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  Speaker 1: Paradise return. It's going to be a murders row of
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  Speaker 1: choices of people that meant wow, I'll tell you what.
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  Speaker 1: Chris Harrison is on one with the lines this year,
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  Speaker 1: I was gonna say, what a word choice. So, I mean,
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  Speaker 1: this has just been obvious to me. It's something that
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  Speaker 1: I think about a bit. Because we didn't have a
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  Speaker 1: Bachelor Bachelor in Paradise season. That means that all the
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  Speaker 1: girls from Peter's season UM are in contention to be
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  Speaker 1: on the season of Paradise, as well as the guys
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  Speaker 1: from Claire Slash, Tacius, Susan, and then um the girls
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  Speaker 1: from Matt's upcoming season. So I have to say the
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  Speaker 1: guys have it way easy in getting a slot in Paradise,
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  Speaker 1: and these girls are going to have to fight to
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  Speaker 1: the nail to end up there. I mean they have
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  Speaker 1: they better have stayed semi relevant if you're from Peter season,
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  Speaker 1: and the girls from Matt season are going to have
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  Speaker 1: to really come with a splash because there's still the
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  Speaker 1: same amount of spots or Paradise and there are two
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  Speaker 1: seasons of females to fill them. It's uh, it's gonna
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  Speaker 1: be exciting. I mean, I'm really pumped. And I know
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  Speaker 1: a lot of fans out there who just really I mean,
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  Speaker 1: some Bachelor Nation fans just watch Paradise like they don't
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  Speaker 1: watch the regular seasons. They just love Paradise. I know
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  Speaker 1: there's a lot of people anxious and excited about this
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  Speaker 1: season of Paradise and the fact that it is in
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  Speaker 1: the works and there are plans being made, uh just
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  Speaker 1: gets me all riled up. Well, hey, uh, we do
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  Speaker 1: have Kenny coming on in just a second. Before we do,
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  Speaker 1: let's take a break, uh, and we'll bring Kenny on
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  Speaker 1: and then again a little bit. Well if Caitlin Bristow
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  Speaker 1: talking about her time on Dance with the Stars, Okay, guys,
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  Speaker 1: I mean it would be wrong if I didn't introduce
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  Speaker 1: the boy band manager Kenny. Kenny's on the line right now.
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  Speaker 1: He was sadly eliminated last week. Kenny, your last name
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  Speaker 1: is Brash. Yeah, yeah, that's right, all right, Kenny Brash.
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  Speaker 1: It's still a lot, Kenny. You gotta tell me, like,
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  Speaker 1: who do what boy bands? Do you manage? Is this
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  Speaker 1: really your occupation or did they just give you this
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  Speaker 1: title because you have fantastic boy band hair. You actually like, uh,
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  Speaker 1: it's actually true. To believe it or not. It looks
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  Speaker 1: like a joke, but um it's it's a it's a
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  Speaker 1: boy band tribute band. So we we actually better. It
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  Speaker 1: is better. So like when we play you would see
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  Speaker 1: you know, we we cover in sinc Bactory Boys, One Direction,
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  Speaker 1: all Ben's favorites. Basically, this is my didn come true.
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  Speaker 1: Can we watch? What's their name? It's just it's the
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  Speaker 1: Boyband Night. Uh and like after the night brothers like
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  Speaker 1: come on. It's sort of named as an event, so
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  Speaker 1: it's like you're going out and it's boyband Night. So
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  Speaker 1: that's kind of where the name came from. So it's
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  Speaker 1: it's the boy Band Night Chicago on Instagram. But it's
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  Speaker 1: a full band. It's like seven pieces, full band, the
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  Speaker 1: whole deal. It's cool. Do they all have great boyband hair? Uh?
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  Speaker 1: Well they did. I don't know. I wouldn't go that far. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: they used to. Okay, how many bachelorette parties turn out
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  Speaker 1: to boyband Night? Uh? That's our bread and butter. Actually,
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  Speaker 1: So when we first started doing this thing, that that
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  Speaker 1: was like our crowd was like a ton of bachelor parties.
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  Speaker 1: Um the cluel. I mean, I don't know. The the
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  Speaker 1: beauty of the act is that it's it draws like
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  Speaker 1: eighty five women, which bars love to hear that when
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  Speaker 1: we play there, it actually is an amazing contint like
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  Speaker 1: it's a it's a I mean you should see Ashley
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  Speaker 1: right now. She is literally her shoulders over her ear.
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  Speaker 1: She's so giddy and anxious. I mean, I'm just gonna
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  Speaker 1: stay quiet, Kenny, honestly, like I was excited to meet you.
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  Speaker 1: I'm gonna sit back here. I have only one big
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  Speaker 1: question for you that I'm gonna save to the end.
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  Speaker 1: So Ashley, you just keep this boy band thing going
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  Speaker 1: because I know this is your bread and butter. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: thank you, thank you, because I was gonna it was
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  Speaker 1: gonna be a real down or if we had to
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  Speaker 1: get into the show right now, he's your favorite boy band. Uh.
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  Speaker 1: You know I always go and sync only because I
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  Speaker 1: like justin timber Lake. You know, I'm I'm a big
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  Speaker 1: JT guy. Yeah. Well, I mean, like I do have
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  Speaker 1: so many and like they're different nostalgic periods of my
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  Speaker 1: life associated with each, but I usually go in and sync,
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  Speaker 1: but New Kids on the Block is really really close
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  Speaker 1: for like personal reasons. But then but then, like musically
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  Speaker 1: I have to say, I think like the most timeless
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  Speaker 1: music comes from Backstreet. Yeah I agree, back I think
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  Speaker 1: as an actual boy band band Backstreet because they're still
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  Speaker 1: they're still like yeah, yeah, there's still. We actually did
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  Speaker 1: a we did a thing with a J in January. Uh.
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  Speaker 1: He was doing like a little side thing and he
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  Speaker 1: like we we we played and he played with like
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  Speaker 1: a DJ and it was kind of cool. But for fun,
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  Speaker 1: I was gonna say, all the boy banders you've met,
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  Speaker 1: who has been your favorite? Because a J is definitely
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  Speaker 1: up there on my list. He what a kind soul
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  Speaker 1: he was on his podcast. Oh nice, Yeah he's he
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  Speaker 1: was awesome. It was cool. We had him at where
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  Speaker 1: I work, Miss I work at a venue in here
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  Speaker 1: in Chicago, and he came out and he was cool,
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  Speaker 1: like he hung out the whole day they were there.
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  Speaker 1: We played. It was pretty awesome. Now a J has
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  Speaker 1: a podcast with my Heart right, yeah, yeah, that's a
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: big deal. So give a little shout out to a
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: J's podcast, which is called Pretty Messed Up. It's a
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: good podcast and he's a nice guy. Nice guy. Okay, Well, um,
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: I will move on to other categories of your life
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: that I find to be very interesting, like the fact
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: that you you hate cheese. Now, then I think that
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: I don't know where the hell that came from. I
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: think they had they made that up. I mean, I don't.
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: I don't put cheese on a lot of but like
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: I'll eat cheese sometimes. Ben's pissed right now. No, I'm
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: actually all for this one, Like cheese messing up. Cheese
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: messes me up, like it's cheese and I don't get along. Um,
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: I eat it, but it doesn't we don't get along.
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: Uh No. In fact, this is a great conversation because Kenny,
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: when somebody asked me about the almost famous podcast who
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: doesn't listen to you know how, I explain it to them.
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: And I've never told Ashley this. So I say, I say,
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: I have this amazing co host as Ken Eddie, who
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: could not be more different than me, like in every
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: interest in life, and so I oftentimes feel like the
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: dad who sits here and learns about what's going on
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: going on in pop culture because Ashley doesn't miss a thing,
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: like when it comes to boy bands, who's in a
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: relationship with who, who's hot and who's not? Like Ashley
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: is on top of it where and so like, my
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: job is super easy. My job is literally to sit
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: here and know nothing ever and just comment as we go.
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: It's a great job. It's a good gig. I gotta
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: apply for that job. Man, Well, you can't take it's
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: locked up. Well, hey, I want to start with my
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: question here, um, because we do have a lot of
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: the show to talk about. My question to you, Kenny
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: is how many buttons is too many buttons to be appropriate?
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: I think we I came to the uh conclusion that
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: three is appropriate. Anything past three is inappropriate, which I surpassed.
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: So for a guy like I think there was a
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: comment made in this season. I don't know if he
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: was by clear tass or somebody said, like Kenny literally
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: doesn't have an ounce of hair on his body. So
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: a guy like me who his head honestly, yeah, it's
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: it's all going to the right places. Um. So for
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: a guy like me who uh likes to stay warm
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: in the summer, Um, how many buttons is inappropriate for me?
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: Or you got a lot of you got a lot
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: of us? Yeah, I gotta I got a thick sweater.
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: I got a thick sweater. Yeah, maybe I wouldn't go
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: past one then because unless it doesn't pop out, like
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: does it keeps it trimmed? I just you know, I
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: was watching this season. It was something I'm always interested
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: in when it comes to watching every season, is what's fashionable,
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: what's going on, Like, what what guys are doing? What
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: to you know, stay in shape? And I watched you
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: and I said, there's nothing that Kenny has it. I have, uh,
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: your your tan, uh, you have a lack of hair,
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: but yet you have a full mount of hair on
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: your head. So I'm just impressed with you. And that's
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: really all I needed from this whole interview was just like, Hey,
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: how many buttons can I I'm button because it feels sexy.
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: I'm a chest hair fan, so I love like the
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: old school. I have another band that does like seventies
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: soft rock, and it's like, oh my god, I have
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: to go to Chicago. My other thing. There's boy bands
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: and soft rock. Okay, Like I know, Richard Marks is
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: more of like an eighties early nineties guy, but like, oh,
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: I can get just as passionate about Richard Marks as
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: I can about in sync. Continue, Sorry, Kenny, Yeah, no,
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: that was just that that like we do that. Those
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: guys have the chest hair out and the open shirt.
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: They're a little they're a little overweight. They got mustaches
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: and all the beard and and it's it's pretty cool.
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: So just like me. That's what you're saying you right now?
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: Cool man? That feels good. Hey Kenny, how many women
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: have you met at these concerts that come out because
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: they're so geared toward women pretty much your age, your
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: you're you're the older guys right your thirty six? Holy crap,
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: how is that possible? Look at this man? Yeah, i'd
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: say your twenty nine. Looking at you on this time,
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: I'm not trying to hire you up. That's insane. All right,
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: thank you, thank you. I was the oldest after after
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: Night one, so I think Jeremy was forty and he
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: got after he got eliminated. I was the oldest for
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: pretty much the whole time. What is how did that feel? Um?
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: Because I was the youngest, which you know obviously as
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: we see with this week, like you know, Noah and
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: I were the same age when we're on the show. Um,
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: and that was its own unique challenges right to kind
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: of prove that you had what it takes to be
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: in a relationship. Or when you get the question are
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: you really ready to settle down? You you'd have to
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: come to your head and say, I think so. I
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: don't really know, but I believe I am. What is
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: it like to be the oldest sitting in that room? Um?
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: I mean I personally I loved being the oldest, but
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: I also don't People don't think I'm my age, but
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: at least my my thought process. I've seen a lot
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: of and experience a lot of being my age. So
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: it's cool to like look younger but also be able
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: to like think older, if that makes any sense. Um,
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: but like some of the like there's younger guys like
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: Noah and likedmar Is there like the same age, but
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: Damar was like super more mature. He came off more
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: mature than Noah. I felt like, So it's like I
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: think it's age. Does there is a thing with age,
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: But it's also the maturity level too that I don't
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: know if that makes sense, but totally makes sense. We
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: see ages a big you know theme in this week's episode.
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: Is it Easy to Date in Chicago? As the manager
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: of these bands who have so many women around your
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: age coming out to and then yeah, like, how is it?
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: Have you had good luck with women? Why going the
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: bats are at? Um? Yeah, I mean, honestly, I haven't
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: had great luck. I haven't. I primarily been single for
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: the majority of my adult life, outside of one relationship
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: that I had a few years ago, or I am
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: not that long ago, kind of maybe about eight months
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: before bachelort I was I had a relationship sort of
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: that was ending at that point. Um. But it's actually
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: kind of like I've been in the music venue banned
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: industry forever like twenty years almost now, and it's just
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: it's a pretty difficult, uh industry to be in and
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: also like keep a relationship. So The Bachelor was good
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: because when they when they when they were asking me
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: about going on, I'm like, well, ain't working for me
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: under normal circumstances, so maybe this this would work out.
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: So that that was kind of the approach with that
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: is because too many nights out. Um, it used to
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: be that. It used to be that, but I kind
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: of I kind of cooled that down a few a
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: few years back. You know, I don't really drink anymore.
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: I'm I pulled the Houdini at the shows, like I
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: dip out the back door when no one's looking. I
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: don't say bye to nobody. I go to bed early now.
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: But so, what is it then? I mean, okay, outside
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: of kind of your lifestyle, because you have pulled it back,
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: like we from my memory of the show, we didn't
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: get to really see what it is like that has
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: caused you to not be able to date or get
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: out there. What do you think is holding you back? Um?
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: I I just think it's me just being like not
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: wanting to just settle for anything. I don't know, I'm
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: just very I don't know if I don't want to
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: say it's like I have walls up or anything. Because
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: I went into the show fully prepared to just let
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: what ever happened happened. But I also wasn't going to
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: force anything. And that's kind of how I am. Like,
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: you know, I I hung out, you hang out with girls,
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: and I just some stuff could have worked, probably and
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: I just didn't let it. The one main relationship I
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: had before the show probably could have worked h if
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: if I you know, if we wanted it to. But
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: she had moved the Chicago and it became a long
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: distance relationship and it became very difficult. Um, but it's
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: probably just me, I mean, just not wanting to just
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: it's just not wanting to settle for not to steal Clais,
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: like settle for guys like that line. But just I
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: don't know. I'm just I'm not a post anything. It's
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: just hasn't happened. I guess, I don't know. Speaking of Claire,
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: described Claire and then described Tasia and your experiences with them,
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: good question. Oh man, Well, it's to me it was
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: they were polar opposite. Clear I I I don't even
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: know how to put that into words. Uh. And don't
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: get me wrong, She's she's not a bad person. I
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: have nothing bad to say. I just the whole the
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: way that whole thing went down, it was to me,
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: it just was like she was already dating Dale before
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: I stepped out of the limo. It seemed like so
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: I felt like she was closed off to everybody else,
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: no matter what. So but when Tasha came in, she
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: was like all about wanting to spend time with everybody,
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: like wanting to get to know everybody, like have a
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: convert even if if it's a few minutes. With Clear,
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: it was like I went like a couple of episodes
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: with like I didn't even talk to her for more
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: than like four seconds on like a group date, you know,
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So it was like with Tasia,
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: was like I spent time with Tasha like a lot,
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: even though it was like the same amount of time
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: that I was there with Claire as I was with Tassia,
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: but I spent a million more time, million more whatever Withasia. Yeah,
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: and then uh, and just Tasia just was I don't know,
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: she was just it just seemed like a more a
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: lot I don't know, I don't want to say nicer,
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: but just she just came off a lot easier to
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: talk to, sweeter, which, like I said, Claire might be
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: all of those things, but she just wasn't having it
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: with anybody else. I didn't think, Well, it's interesting because
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: you know Tasha. Tasha, I think, you know, has done
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: a terrific job at engaging in conversation and trying to
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: get to know the goodness. I mean, it's been maybe
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: the best I've ever seen done. And so what was
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: it like then sitting in the house because I'm from
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: my experience on the show. You know, it was very
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: clear to us during our show who Caitlin was most into,
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: and that changed it kind of it went back and
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: forth a little bit, like as we got farther along,
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: all of us were kind of more on a balanced
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: playing field, I felt like, But when you do start
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: to sense that, hey, she's really into this guy, and
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: I feel like I'm just like tagging along and kind
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: of getting in the way, it's a really hard feeling
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: when you're in an environment that is so un uh unfamiliar,
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: and you start to question a lot. What was it
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: like sitting in the house while Claire was there, feeling like, yeah,
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: she's not that into me, but I'm here and I
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: don't really know why. You know, what happened was and
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: since since since a lot of the guys felt that
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: way because of the way things were going down. What
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: really happened is like the guy has sort of became
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: very close the you know, that's that's kind of what happened.
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: And and there was I mean outside of obviously Dale, uh,
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: you know, Blake a little bit, and Jason while he
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: was you know, Jason, while Claire was still you know,
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: because he didn't leave untill Claire left. But there was
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: only what two, three, may eight four guys that thought
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: they had something going on with her and the rest
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: of us kind of. I mean, not everybody was as
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: vocal as me probably about saying like, hey, she's not
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: in anybody right now, but I'm sure the guys felt it. Um,
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: but we came out. We're super close like that. The
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: group of guys that were left after Claire left, Um,
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: we're still to this day pretty pretty close to each other.
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: I know that might fizzle out at some point, but
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: that's kind of That's kind of what it became. It
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: felt like it was just our house and like Claire
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: was not even part of it anymore. It was just like, hey,
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: this is our place now. It was weird. Are any
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: of these guys coming across totally different all the episodes
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: and they did in person? Um? Or is there somebody
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: who's not being highlighted enough that you loved and thought
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: deserved more attention? Yeah? Well, you know what, there was
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: some of the sweetest guys and the greatest guys. We're
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: quiet and they didn't know, so you're not seeing him
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: as much. You're starting starting to know a little bit
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: like Ivan Brendan um Zack see even Ben, you know,
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: like those dudes like they weren't involved in like drama
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: or sort of outspoken about that's going on. So um
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: But honestly, like those guys are like the nicest dudes
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: and the sweet like the sweetest guys. Like those guys
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: are unbelievable, and I think people are still obviously, I
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: think they're starting to get people are starting to see
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: that now, but it's taken how many weeks before people
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: actually knew those guys too much. It's taken longer than
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: any other season. It's so wild because I think it
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: was like episode four or even five where I was like,
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: I can't believe we're four or five weeks into this
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: and I still don't feel like I know these guys.
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: I don't feel attached to any of them, Like this
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: a weak group or is it just because of like
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: the way that Claire has carried this season? And now
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: in week are we week eight already, I'm like, Holy Moley,
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: they're fantastic. I love them. This is a great group.
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: But in the turnaround happened fast, thankfully, because I just
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: can't believe how long I went feeling detached from them.
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: Um do you did you ever see Bennett break character? No?
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: I have a theory actually after this week's episode. I
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: don't think he I don't. I think we've been saying
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: it's a character character, but it's really it's him. Well,
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: as let's ask Kenny, he knows him better, Like is
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: it him putting on a like a front or is
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: that just who he is? No, that's that's that's a
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: that there there's no character there. He's just a character
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: and that's him. He is a character. He was just
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: I mean, you can't make this up with this guy.
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: I mean where I don't even know where he came from,
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: but it's him. It came from Harvard. Um you. So
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: I wonder if he's confused by the fact that we
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: all think that he's hilarious because he's playing a character
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: and leaning into this caricature. Sorry that there's no other
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: word to say it. And now is is he puzzled
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: by the fact that we are so entertained by him?
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: Or like, is he possibly offended or is he like, oh,
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: people just like me. I just I think he just
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: thinks people just like him, like he just said. I
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: don't think he's He's a Harvard guy, so he was.
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: He expects everybody to like him. He expects all this,
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: you know. He he would have been pissed if he
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: didn't get all that. Well. Another behind the scenes question
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: would be this week, there's a really interesting thing that
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: happens where Blake makes this like, uh, penis at a
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: clay and and so, and then like the storyline starts
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: to shift to like, hey, this is just too Blake
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: is He always talks about sex. Everything is about sex,
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: but we've never seen it. So for me as a fan,
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: I was like, I don't know what they're talking about. Now,
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: can you live in the house with him? This is Blake?
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: Like what do they mean when they say this? Yeah,
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: I don't know. Blake always had some story with some
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: weird stories about just random just so when he made
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: the penis out of clay, it was like, oh, that's
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: classic Blake. It's just alright. So, Kenny, you're giving us
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: so much good behind the scenes gossip. We want a
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: little bit more from you, but we're going to have
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: to do that right after this break. Kenny. We saw
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: you leave last week, which was obviously sad. Did you
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: expect it or not? Um? So I I sort of did,
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: um just because that the day before the group date
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: was the truth or dare and then that night at
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: the cocktail part of it. Um, I just I don't know.
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: Me and her head are a little time together, and
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: I could just I could just tell that she one,
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: I I know, she didn't think I could be serious
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: because I was always kind of just having fun. But um,
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: which isn't true. I mean I could be serious, but
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: we didn't have enough time together for her to see
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: that side of me. But I just I just had
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: a feeling that things weren't clicking. Um. She she was
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: always like sort of like I mean, and her retire,
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: you know that that was the one thing about the switch.
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: Like me and Claire were the same age, patious ten
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: years younger than me, So that kind of threw things
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: off for me a little bit. And um, she she
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: always brought up like I live in Chicago, she lives
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: in l A. Like when I moved to l A.
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: That came up in a lot of conversations, and I just,
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: I don't know, I just got the I just think
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: that she just didn't think that it wasn't gonna pan out,
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: you know, which which is fine, it's probably true. So
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: Chason also got eliminated that at that Row ceremony, and
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: he had like a weird storyline like first it seems
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: like she really liked him, he's maybe kind of front runner.
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: Then there was drama, then the drama kind of disappeared,
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: and then he was eliminated. Can you giuse a little
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: more insight as to what happened with him? Like who
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: he was in the house? Um, yeah, yeah, it was.
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: It was kind of strange how things panned out. What Chasing,
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: the whole Chase and Ed thing. Um, at the end
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: of the day, like Chasing is like he was one
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: of the dudes. He was very cool, uh, nice guy. Um,
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: you know he was. I don't know, it was that
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: that whole like that whole bickering thing. I'm not I'm
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: not sure. Uh if that, you know, obviously didn't work.
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: I think it hurts Chasing obviously. Uh, I'm not sure
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: if it helped Chasing or Ed in the long run,
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: or if it hurt him. I guess I don't know,
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: or it's just nothing, but I think that all that
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: bolt that was going on probably through Tassia off and
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: just you know, it's like if there's too much. She
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: might have just moved on to the next guy and
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: sort of just he might have just got kind of
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: screwed on it, I think. But at the end of
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: the day, like Jason, he's a good dude to me,
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: you know, I like him. He's still a friend of mine. Yeah. Well, uh, Kenny,
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: we did a good question from one of our listeners. Uh,
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: and I think it's a fun one. You can put
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: your name in this category if you want. If you
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: don't want to, don't worry about it. But uh, they
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: wrote in and said, which men do you think we'll
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: go to Paradise? Which men do you think will leave
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: this season? And we'll never hear from again? So can
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: you I'll throw it to you if you had your
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: list of expected paradise people. And hey, if you know
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: how this season plays out, please this is not a
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: spoiler show. Uh, you know you could just you don't
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: have to go there. But what who are some guys
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: that come to mind? Um? You know, I just from
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: where we are now, I feel like, yeah, I feel like,
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: you know, maybe Bennett Um, Blake, Um, maybe Chasten Uh
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: and you know some of the I just I feel
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: like those the guys that were a little more outspoken
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: and stuff and more involved. I'd say those those those ones,
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: uh maybe even I don't know, like like I said,
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: some of that, I don't know like that, Like I
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: named those other four guys, they were a little bit quieter,
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: but they're starting to come out of the shell a
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: little bit. Uh, they're you know, more of the sweeter
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: guy category. But definitely I feel like Bennett Blake chasing
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: type situation. I think, what about your substance? What about you? Um?
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: I mean, if if I get the invitation, I'm in
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: you know, uh, you know, I'm in for it. I
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: just I don't know. What do you think? Man? Well,
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: I think you'd be great at it. I mean, we'll
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: come on like you're you're set up for it. I'm
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: like I said earlier, your wardrobe is already set up
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: for the beach. I mean, it's if if it's hot outside,
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: unbund a couple of buttons and nobody's gonna question you
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: on that. And that's great. But yeah, I mean the
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: guys that come to my mind, I think you gotta
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: throw some of those quieter guys in there, right, You
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: have to throw some of the guys that are that
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: are super nice, super sweet, little quiet out of the drama.
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: I think those are the guys that you see really
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: find relationships in Paradise. Then you always have the shocker
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: that finds a relationship in Paradise, like the more outspoken guys. UM,
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: I think you're I think you'd be a great choice.
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: I think Bennett's gonna be there just because he's he's
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: been it, and I think he's got to be I mean,
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: we're saying this is not knowing what happens to him
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: next week, but you're right, But I think we're all
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: saving that Benedetation may not be living happily ever after.
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: It's hard to say. It's hard to say, but yeah,
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: that's uh, that would be my thought. I think there's
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: a good group. I think Paradise will be a lot
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: of fun this year because you have taken a year
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: off and it's gonna be stacked with some incredible, incredible people.
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: I want to I want to wrap this interview up
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: with who was the front runner in your mind when
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: you left? So like, not now, not after this episode,
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: not knowing what you know in your men group chat,
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: but when you left, UM, when I did my exit interview.
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: I knew there was two. Could I name two? Or
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: do you want one? Oh? No, no no, no, you can
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: name two. So when I when I left that night, UM,
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: I said Brendan Or and or Ivan were my like favorites.
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: That's it's to end up with t. I love that
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: you just mentioned two people that are quieter like. I
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: like that we don't have this like clear cut front
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: runner that we're all like, holy cow, she's head over
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: heels four and like this is over with. I like
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: that we're I mean, I'm on edge so many weeks
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: in going. I don't know who she's going to choose.
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: There's some great guys, but like, I don't know who
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: it is. So I'm glad you said that. And it's
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: and it's so close to the end and there's still
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: like so many guys that could be. It's it's cool,
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: it's cool. I agree with you. Ben, there's no clear
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: cut front hunter. But dude, do I have the vibes
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: of the finale game between Ben and Zach Ben? That's
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: that's really in there that I would not have chosen
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: that really, I know. I mean, we'll talk about him
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: later and they talk about it later, but I'll tell
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: you why Ben's doing something that are really thrown me off.
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: But I'm I'm trying to vibe optation. This is great. Hey,
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: can you you're the best man. Thanks for coming on.
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: Wishing you all the luck. I know that right now
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: during COVID especially, your industry has been hit hard, um
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: and so we're rooting for your thinking about you and
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: thanks for taking your time and coming on the Holmelest
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: Famous podcast. Thank you man, Thanks guys, Thanks Ashley, thank you.
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: It's been a pleasure. Bye bye bye. Now we're going
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: from Kenny to Caitlin the Dancing Queen herself. Let's get
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: her on the phone. Hi, guys, Hello Lan. She is
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: the Chapion my friends queen, and she is the bachelor
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: Queen to the She's been really big into the singing
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: thing on the podcast recently. It's it's it's really dancing
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: Queen to the end. Songbird over there. Actually, Caitlin, how
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: in the world do you have any energy right now?
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: I don't. I don't know how I'm doing it. I well,
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: you know what, I'll tell you how because I got
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: out of bed at noon today and I've been just
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: sleeping as much as possible, and so coffee and sleep
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: has been my best friend. What kind of coffee you've
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: got in there? Like? Is that a good holiday drink? No,
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: I'm so boring. It's just a black Americano you not
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: from Starbucks? Those are hard I agree, I you know what,
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: I just I'm going to take what I can get
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: at this point. It's not generous, so I don't care
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: what it is. Um, it's not generous coffee that that
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: hurts my feelings. But well why wait, why is it
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: not generous coffee? I'm so sorry. You know what, I'll
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: do better than that next time. Thank you, Caitlin. You
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: know I was gonna offer to send you some coffee,
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: but then I heard it. Uh. A comment by Charles
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: Barkley this week on the Match and he says, you
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: know the best part about being rich and famous, uh
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: is all the free stuff you get. And so I'm
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: not sending you anything because you just want to dance
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: with the stars. You can afford it, you know what,
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: I think? I think the best part obviously I'm not
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: rich and famous, but I'm like you, no, no, I'm
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: almost famous. The best part for me about like having
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: friends that are like got their own business is going
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: on is supporting them, So let me buy your coffee.
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: Thank you, Caitlin, You're the best. Hey, uh, Caitlin, let's
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: get to it. You've done I've done a lot of
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: stuff recently. I want to backtrack too. I don't know
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: how many months ago it's been now, Um, but you know,
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: obviously we've spent some time together. I always have known
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: that Dance with the Stars is something that you've been
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: super passionate about, super sided for it's fit you. Actually
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: I talked about like if this show was made for you,
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: and it feels like it had to happen at some
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: point it did. My question for you is why. Now
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: that's a great question, ben Um. I think things happen
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: in life for a reason. Um. I believe that if
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: I went on the show five years ago when I
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: had the contract, I don't think I would have won.
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: I don't think I was in the right headspace. I
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: don't think Artem was actually supposed to be my partner.
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: I don't think we would have been the team that
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: we were today. And I think that the universe works
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: in these magical ways where five years later, after dreaming
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: about it and thinking about it, I could appreciate it
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: more and be in a better physical mental state of
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: my life to do what I needed to do to
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: win it. I recently had Jenna Johnson on my other
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: podcasts and she know she lost to you, which is,
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: you know, good for us, but sad for her. Yeah.
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: She said that there is no sort of choosing your partner.
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: You can't send little notes saying like I want to
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: be partnered with this person. How did you get to
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: be with Arnhem? I think, I mean, I'm sure you
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: can do that. Whether they take it and say okay,
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: we'll do that for you, I doubt it. But um,
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: I honestly, I honestly didn't really care who I got
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: because I was just so excited to be there. But
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: when I found out Artem was coming back on the show,
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: I just thought it was serendipitous that we were supposed
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: to be partners five years ago and now we get
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: to be partners. And um, I just love his style
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: of dancing. I've always loved his choreography on the show.
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: And I guess I just got super lucky. I don't
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: know if they were like, oh, they're supposed to be partners,
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: that would be really cool if they were again, um
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: and this time it worked out. But um, I would
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: have been happy with anyone. But now going through everything,
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: I'm like, he's my partner for life. M h. Now,
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: we always hear from people who've gone on the show.
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: One I just had to clarify something. You said he
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: was supposed to be your partner years ago? Were you
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: like on? Like were you going on the show? Like,
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: I don't remember this, Okay, So five years ago I
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: was supposed to go on, but because of contracts and
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: certain things, I ended up not being able to go
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: on UM. And it was so last minute that Artom
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: actually didn't get to dance that season because of it.
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: So yeah, five years ago I was supposed to UM,
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: but still under other contracts and couldn't do it. That
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: makes sense. Well, um, we always hear from people who
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: have gone the show how difficult the process is, like
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: physically difficult. Can you give us a picture behind the scenes.
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: I think it would help us all, like even admire
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: your accomplishments to a great amount. They're so ugly. My
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: feet are the ugliest feet. Like I remember from how
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: old was I when I went on point shoes? I
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: was young. I remember getting my first pair of point
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: shoes and going in and I was like, oh, my
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: feet will never look the same um and it's it's
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: actually such a grind to be on that show. And
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: I've had friends that have been on it, and they
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: all told me, you know how how challenging physically demanding
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: it was, and even mentally challenging because of the hours
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: and lack of sleep and pain that goes in through
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: your body. But it's crazy. I mean, you're in the
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: studio for six hours a day, seven days a week,
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: there's no days off, and you're putting your body through
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: stuff that you've never done before for hours and hours
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: and hours, and in heels and you're doing these lifts
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: and certain things that you've never done before. I actually
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: have an X ray coming up because I think I
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: fractured a rib. I can't even breathe in fully right
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: now without killing me. My feet are torn apart. Every
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: day was just an actual grind because I think Artem
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: and I really we were. We both were on the
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: same page with wanting to work so hard. So we
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: got in there and it was like no messing around.
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: We just danced our butts off for six hours a day,
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: and I both of us were just dancing through injuries
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: the whole time. What was your greatest relief like when
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: you got home from practice, Like, what did you look
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: forward to? Oh? My gosh, honestly, thank the Lord Jason
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: Tardi because obviously the dogs. I would come in the
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: house and the dogs acted like they haven't seen me
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: in their whole lives. It was so magical. But Jason
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: would always make sure that there was a glass of
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: wine ready for me, that if we wanted like Postmates
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: or sushi, or he would cook like he always just
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: made sure when I came home it was the most
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: zen atmosphere because he always knew how stressed out I was.
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: The first few weeks that I was there, I'm like,
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: nothing could basee me. I'm so happy of the dance studio.
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: And then once, you know, weeks and weeks of doing
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: something like that I was, I would come home and
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: just be like, how am I gonna do this for
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: however many more weeks? But at the same time, trying
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: to have so much gratitude for just being there. I
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: tried to love every blister, appreciate my like strength with
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: battling through ankle injuries and rib injuries because it was
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: all just part of it. And can we just talk
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: about Jason being like the greatest cheerleader of all time.
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: It was almost as much fun watching him react to
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: your performances and you're a win that it was watching
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: you win, Caitlin. I know you're busy, and I know
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: you've got a lot going on, so we're gonna let
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: you go here in a second. But I do want
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: to ask you, um, something I've been wondering because you,
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: like if you have listened at all, Like we're so
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: happy for you and celebrating you. Um, but there's this
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: thing that happens in the world where you have this
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: like pinnacle moment and you've done something that you've hoped
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: for for five years and you finally made it happen,
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: and you just didn't make it happen, you want it
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: Like you are the champion of this thing. You were
• 49:31
  Speaker 1: the best, You were the fan favorite. I can't even
• 49:33
  Speaker 1: imagine how that feels to know that people out there
• 49:35
  Speaker 1: voter treaty like you that much. Um, what now and
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: like what is next? Like how does it feel now
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: to be in a place that this has happened. I
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: am such a freak, Like I swear to God I said, Okay,
• 49:52
  Speaker 1: once I I think I think a lot of people
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: can relate this to um to this to where you say,
• 49:56
  Speaker 1: once I have this, I'm gonna be so happy and
• 49:59
  Speaker 1: fulfilled and status. I don't once I do this and
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: if I get this, I'll be so happy, and obviously
• 50:04
  Speaker 1: I am, but I'm always like, Okay, once I get
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: the mirrorball, that's it. I'm like, I'm going to focus
• 50:09
  Speaker 1: on my podcast at home, I'm going to just be
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: like involved in my businesses and have babies. And then
• 50:15
  Speaker 1: now that it's here, I'm like, oh wait, I just
• 50:17
  Speaker 1: got the mirrorball. What else could I do? Uh? So
• 50:20
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean, I really don't know what's
• 50:22
  Speaker 1: next or what even my plans are. I'm kind of
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: just like at this point of course in I'm like, uh,
• 50:32
  Speaker 1: I would love to go just spend time with family.
• 50:34
  Speaker 1: That's what I've been craving so much. I'm so close
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: with my family and i'ven't seen them in almost a
• 50:39
  Speaker 1: year and that's the longest I've ever gone in my life,
• 50:41
  Speaker 1: and it's just devastating. All I want to do is
• 50:44
  Speaker 1: go just spend quality time with people that I love
• 50:46
  Speaker 1: right now and that's really difficult. So I have no
• 50:50
  Speaker 1: idea what's coming next. Um, maybe maybe more music, just
• 50:54
  Speaker 1: because I love doing that. I find writing and singing
• 50:57
  Speaker 1: so therapeutic and it actually really helps with my anxiety
• 50:59
  Speaker 1: when I write music. And maybe I'll do that because
• 51:02
  Speaker 1: I'm in Nashville. Yeah, well music fits you. You're obviously
• 51:06
  Speaker 1: really good at it. Um, Caitlin, we are gonna um
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: in this here, we are going to bring you back
• 51:12
  Speaker 1: for your holiday gift guide because obviously who would give
• 51:15
  Speaker 1: better gifts than Caitlin Bristow. But Caitlin, we are so
• 51:18
  Speaker 1: happy for you ash and I've been celebrating you. Um.
• 51:21
  Speaker 1: It's really cool to be so on team Caitlin. So
• 51:24
  Speaker 1: congratulations from all of us here at the Almost Famous Podcast.
• 51:28
  Speaker 1: Thank you. Thank you guys so much. You guys are
• 51:30
  Speaker 1: always so supportive and sweet and great. I'm just so
• 51:32
  Speaker 1: lucky to have you both as friends and love being
• 51:35
  Speaker 1: on the podcast. Thank you. Know well, you are truly inspiring.
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: It's like when you want to do something, you do it,
• 51:41
  Speaker 1: and you do it so so well. Thank you guys.
• 51:47
  Speaker 1: Let's start off with Zach's one on one date. Then,
• 51:52
  Speaker 1: why is it that every guy who gets a one
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: on one becomes my new favorite. It was like, first
• 51:58
  Speaker 1: I didn't even know who Rendon was, and then Brendan
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: became a favorite, then who with the one on one? Who? Ivan? Oh?
• 52:07
  Speaker 1: And then I loved Ivan And now this week we
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: get Zack and I feel like he's my front runner. Now, well,
• 52:14
  Speaker 1: can I share a theory with you? I think we
• 52:18
  Speaker 1: had such low expectations for these guys because we didn't
• 52:20
  Speaker 1: know them, and we were so disappointed, like three or
• 52:23
  Speaker 1: four weeks into the season, where we're like, wait, none
• 52:26
  Speaker 1: of these guys we know, we don't know them, We're
• 52:28
  Speaker 1: not going to know them, We're not gonna have connection
• 52:30
  Speaker 1: with any of them. So when a guy finally shows
• 52:32
  Speaker 1: up and we actually get to know their story, which, again,
• 52:35
  Speaker 1: as we say every year, when you know somebody's story,
• 52:37
  Speaker 1: it's really hard to hate them. Why do the in depth?
• 52:40
  Speaker 1: Yes exactly, It's why we do the in depths. But
• 52:43
  Speaker 1: like once you hear people's stories and you you start
• 52:46
  Speaker 1: to go, wait, no, this guy would be great for Tasha,
• 52:48
  Speaker 1: or this guy would be great for somebody, Like they
• 52:52
  Speaker 1: just become your favorite because you're hoping for that for
• 52:54
  Speaker 1: so long. Yeah, Well, I have to say with Zach,
• 52:57
  Speaker 1: the way that they look at each other, like you
• 52:59
  Speaker 1: can feel this energy, like a little bit of like
• 53:03
  Speaker 1: sexual tension, a little bit. You feel the nerves and
• 53:08
  Speaker 1: the butterflies that you don't with some other people. You
• 53:11
  Speaker 1: can feel their walls going up, which in some ways
• 53:15
  Speaker 1: is a good sign. And they even discussed this last
• 53:17
  Speaker 1: week where she was like, I feel my walls going
• 53:20
  Speaker 1: up with you, which almost makes it feel like there's
• 53:22
  Speaker 1: something so strong there that you're trying to protect yourself
• 53:26
  Speaker 1: from from it, you know, and I'm with you, there's
• 53:30
  Speaker 1: something that I mean. However, we said this for last
• 53:32
  Speaker 1: couple of weeks, Like, I think Tasha has done a
• 53:35
  Speaker 1: tremendous job of getting you know, the guys. I also
• 53:37
  Speaker 1: think this is gonna be really hard for her in
• 53:39
  Speaker 1: the end, because what Tassia has done is she's invested
• 53:43
  Speaker 1: herself into each one of these relationships, and she's connected
• 53:47
  Speaker 1: with these guys in ways that we don't usually see
• 53:49
  Speaker 1: on a season three weeks in. I mean, she's only
• 53:51
  Speaker 1: a couple of weeks into her season, right, and she's
• 53:54
  Speaker 1: so deep now into it that like we we hear
• 53:58
  Speaker 1: the Zach conversation, we hear the Ivan conversations, we hear
• 54:00
  Speaker 1: the Brending conversations and we're like, wait, there's something special here. Well,
• 54:04
  Speaker 1: because Tasia is allowing and I think these guys are too.
• 54:07
  Speaker 1: I don't don't dismiss the guy's work here, but like
• 54:09
  Speaker 1: they're allowing something special to happen. And that's when things
• 54:13
  Speaker 1: get really fun for the show, but it also gets
• 54:14
  Speaker 1: really hard for the lead. Yeah, all these guys have
• 54:17
  Speaker 1: had stories to unveil during these one on ones. So
• 54:21
  Speaker 1: when I first saw that they were going to do
• 54:23
  Speaker 1: wedding pictures, I was like, are you freaking kidding me?
• 54:26
  Speaker 1: We're doing wedding pictures again. But this is my favorite
• 54:30
  Speaker 1: wedding picture date because both of them were so uh
• 54:36
  Speaker 1: not really thrilled about doing it because they both have
• 54:39
  Speaker 1: been married before. And then we find out for the
• 54:41
  Speaker 1: first time that Zach was married and he has this
• 54:43
  Speaker 1: huge his like heavy history. Uh can I can I
• 54:49
  Speaker 1: make a comment here? I'm really not a fan of
• 54:51
  Speaker 1: these wedding picture dates, Like, no, me neither, because you
• 54:54
  Speaker 1: think that that moment should just be reserved for the
• 54:57
  Speaker 1: actual wedding day. Yeah, and like most of these dates
• 55:01
  Speaker 1: that are done on the show, like, yes, they're luxurious
• 55:04
  Speaker 1: and you like we would never be able to do
• 55:06
  Speaker 1: them without the show. However, they're like at least somewhat accomplishable,
• 55:12
  Speaker 1: meaning like you can at least say, like think, Okay,
• 55:16
  Speaker 1: I could maybe if I had enough money flying a
• 55:18
  Speaker 1: helicopter and land at some beautiful island. But like, who
• 55:21
  Speaker 1: in the right mind would ever go on a first
• 55:25
  Speaker 1: date and say, let's go get wedding pictures? Like this
• 55:27
  Speaker 1: is just like so awkward at every level. Okay, you
• 55:32
  Speaker 1: actually have a fantastic point there. I felt like this
• 55:35
  Speaker 1: of all the wedding date pictures, this one worked the
• 55:39
  Speaker 1: most just because they both have been married before. But
• 55:43
  Speaker 1: I also agree with you when you take it out
• 55:45
  Speaker 1: of the contacts of the show, how freaking bizarre is it?
• 55:48
  Speaker 1: And I do think it's a sacred moment that should
• 55:50
  Speaker 1: be shared shared only on that day. Uh, I can't
• 55:55
  Speaker 1: actually imagine. I would actually be pretty passed if I
• 55:57
  Speaker 1: had to put on a wedding dress which I never
• 55:59
  Speaker 1: had to you on the show, and then show a
• 56:02
  Speaker 1: guy who wasn't going to end up being my husband.
• 56:04
  Speaker 1: It would be weird. Ash well, Hey, speaking of sacred moments,
• 56:08
  Speaker 1: this whole date with him at the you know, evening
• 56:11
  Speaker 1: portion felt very sacred. Uh. They both opened up and
• 56:14
  Speaker 1: and related on many things. Like you'd mentioned, they've both
• 56:17
  Speaker 1: been married before. But then we got to know more
• 56:19
  Speaker 1: of Zach. Zach could kind of hinted before that, hey,
• 56:21
  Speaker 1: there's a lot more to him than she knows. And
• 56:23
  Speaker 1: he shared it during this date that you know, he had, uh,
• 56:28
  Speaker 1: suffered from a brain tumor um and had that removed.
• 56:31
  Speaker 1: But at the same time he opened up about his
• 56:34
  Speaker 1: kind of shortcomings when it came to his first marriage
• 56:37
  Speaker 1: and then how he kind of spiraled from there. Um,
• 56:41
  Speaker 1: I don't know, maybe it's just me and and maybe
• 56:43
  Speaker 1: there's a better way to say this, but anytime there's
• 56:47
  Speaker 1: vulnerability to this level, like where you know, it's not
• 56:50
  Speaker 1: just somebody saying the right words at the right time
• 56:52
  Speaker 1: to make something work. No, when it's when somebody's sharing
• 56:56
  Speaker 1: something that they know could be criticized, they know is
• 57:00
  Speaker 1: going to have a mixed opinion. It's scary, but it's
• 57:03
  Speaker 1: their story. Like, I gain a lot of respect for
• 57:08
  Speaker 1: anybody on this show that does that because I think it.
• 57:11
  Speaker 1: I want to it fits into their their relationship and
• 57:14
  Speaker 1: it makes them know each other better. But second, it's
• 57:16
  Speaker 1: not easy to do especially when cameras are around. So
• 57:19
  Speaker 1: I had a lot of I had a lot of
• 57:20
  Speaker 1: love for Zach coming off of this date me too,
• 57:24
  Speaker 1: And you can see that he's just recovered so well
• 57:27
  Speaker 1: from the stuff that he's been through and it made
• 57:29
  Speaker 1: him a better man. In the end, he comes across
• 57:32
  Speaker 1: very mature. I really like it for Tasia now to
• 57:36
  Speaker 1: skip ahead for a bit, because we are going to
• 57:37
  Speaker 1: continue to break down this episode, but it is the
• 57:39
  Speaker 1: right time to do this. Now we have all this
• 57:41
  Speaker 1: love for Zach and we've seen him open up and
• 57:43
  Speaker 1: be vulnerable, and we've also seen him share like, hey,
• 57:46
  Speaker 1: things have been a little messy, Like my story is
• 57:48
  Speaker 1: not simple and it's complex and there's a lot of
• 57:51
  Speaker 1: different things to it. Now we see in the preview
• 57:56
  Speaker 1: for the rest of the season, and at the end
• 57:57
  Speaker 1: of the episode it looks like Zach. Something happens with
• 58:01
  Speaker 1: Zack that he becomes like almost the villain or there's
• 58:05
  Speaker 1: something that goes wrong. Now, again, these are previews, and
• 58:07
  Speaker 1: they always are meant to get us talking, and they're
• 58:09
  Speaker 1: always meant to get us like shaken up. But that
• 58:13
  Speaker 1: was a little bit like sad for me to see,
• 58:15
  Speaker 1: I think coming off of this date me too. I'm
• 58:17
  Speaker 1: trying to write it off as just one line that
• 58:21
  Speaker 1: is out of context. I think that he's going to
• 58:24
  Speaker 1: go very far. What I also liked about what we
• 58:28
  Speaker 1: see from Zack at the very end is in like
• 58:29
  Speaker 1: kind of like the blooper or like lighthearted feeling clip
• 58:33
  Speaker 1: that we get during the credits. We saw that not
• 58:36
  Speaker 1: only does she drive with his serious side, but very
• 58:39
  Speaker 1: much with his lighthearted side too, and they were having
• 58:42
  Speaker 1: a blast on that ferris wheel. It was just like
• 58:44
  Speaker 1: a fun, very real life moment. Yeah, it feels like
• 58:47
  Speaker 1: they're comfortable with each other and they're connected. I do.
• 58:51
  Speaker 1: I think Zax and we go far. Well, so we
• 58:53
  Speaker 1: see the drama in the house with the guys hoping
• 58:55
  Speaker 1: for the one on one. Well, uh, we obviously see
• 58:58
  Speaker 1: that the group date is called and uh, but the
• 59:01
  Speaker 1: men on this group they have to walk into I
• 59:04
  Speaker 1: think a scene that like I was on the edge
• 59:06
  Speaker 1: of my seat actually, and here's why. You know, The
• 59:08
  Speaker 1: Bachelor got a lot of flak for the Dodgeball date
• 59:11
  Speaker 1: at the beginning of the season, and I was like,
• 59:12
  Speaker 1: are they going to do this again? Like, are they are?
• 59:15
  Speaker 1: Are we gonna? Are we about to see these dudes
• 59:16
  Speaker 1: getting naked again on this season. Even Blake makes fun
• 59:20
  Speaker 1: of it. He's like the third time all be getting naked. Yeah,
• 59:23
  Speaker 1: I mean absolutely wild, because there's just there's just nothing
• 59:26
  Speaker 1: about being naked on national television, and especially when you're
• 59:30
  Speaker 1: like you know this girl, but you don't know where
• 59:31
  Speaker 1: that well, like none of that feels good to me,
• 59:33
  Speaker 1: Like I would hate like and maybe I look at
• 59:35
  Speaker 1: from my own perspective and that's probably a fault, but
• 59:38
  Speaker 1: like I and not even really any moral high ground,
• 59:42
  Speaker 1: just like I couldn't do that, Like I just wouldn't.
• 59:45
  Speaker 1: I don't want to do that. No, I'm the kind
• 59:48
  Speaker 1: of person that even in a locker room, like was
• 59:50
  Speaker 1: always like covering up every little bit of myself in
• 59:53
  Speaker 1: high school. Like I'm just not a publicly naked person,
• 59:57
  Speaker 1: like even like my sister has really never seen me naked. It.
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 1: But the date turns to be something kind of fun.
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 1: I mean, yes, there's two people, you know, their their
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 1: professional models that are posing for these guys and they
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 1: start to get you know, the artistic side of things,
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 1: which you know, I think was awesome that the show
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 1: really is highlighting art. Now this was art, like this
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 1: was them expressing themselves and creative ways, and they had
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 1: a couple of different avenues to do that. Um, but
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 1: they're still going on this whole time, this Bennett and
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 1: Noah thing, Like it's just starting to like fester and
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 1: it's becoming now less funny to me and more just
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 1: annoying that it continues to be Like I mean, I'll
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 1: say it, and it's not going to be a fan
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 1: favorite here. It feels like Bennett is the one that's
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 1: being immature in this whole thing. Yeah, I agree that
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 1: if there's one person here that I feel is is
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 1: more likely to get the boot, it's going to be
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 1: a Bennett. But I also like don't even know what
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 1: it's like about. Like Betta keeps saying that he's perplexed
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 1: by like what the tensions about? I don't I think
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 1: that's a lie. I think he understands that, like there's
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 1: a lot of belittling but between the two of them.
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 1: But I also feel like, um, like why did this start?
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 1: Like was the start of it? Also, weird freaking thing
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 1: that happened? You remember last episode when we left off
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 1: with the whole Noah Like, did guys really say that
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 1: he that Chasha gave him the rose to stir or
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 1: was he just making that up out of thin air?
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 1: That was never really addressed again. Never It's weird, isn't
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 1: that bizarre? It just went away, Like the episode said,
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 1: you need to apologize to Tasia and these guys, and
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 1: then we're done with it. It's just weird. So this
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 1: day has the Noah Benett drama. Bennett's doing his thing
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 1: by sitting next c Tasia and uh, you know, making
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 1: comments back and forth to Noah during this whole process. Uh,
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 1: Noah kind of goes back with him and says, hey,
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 1: you know, after Bennett created like a couple of houses
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 1: that him and Tasi you're gonna live in the chateaus
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 1: and the beach house. Were laughing at that. Don't like it?
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 1: You don't like that. I don't like it. I mean,
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 1: I thought it was funny, but I also find it
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 1: getting old. I don't know. But but let's concentrate on
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 1: the good parts of this this group date. There was
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 1: a lot of depth here. Brandon was amazing with his
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 1: his his photo, like the way that this is a
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 1: self portrait of me and if I turned the frame around,
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 1: it's me with my love and it was so sweet.
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 1: And then we also have Ivan with the puzzle and
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 1: like how he wants to add that last piece and
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 1: how he got emotional about his dad maybe not seeing
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 1: the man that he that he created one day. Oh
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 1: that was heart wrenching. And he just continues to be
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 1: the sweetest. Riley talking about he got that phone call
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 1: from his mom after not hearing from her for years,
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 1: and then he asked, Um, you know, she said what
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 1: keeps what keeps you wanting to have quality time with
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 1: with your future daughter? And then he said, well, it
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 1: comes from never having it in my childhood. I mean,
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 1: there's a lot a lot of goodness here and isn't
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 1: that what art does? Like not, you know, like art
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 1: allows us to express what's on our hearts, and like
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 1: there's obviously there's a lot of depth to these guys
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 1: and they're expressing that through UM this date, which I
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 1: really enjoyed watching UM. But there was a part Ashley,
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 1: and I want to hear it was this part and
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 1: I can't wait to talk to you about it. So Ashley,
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 1: during this whole thing, it's all going well, and then
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 1: there's a moment that I don't know honestly, like my
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 1: first reaction, quite honestly, is to be super like negative
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 1: on it. But I don't know how I feel about
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 1: it because it feels like it never became a thing,
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 1: and so I need to hear from you. I need
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 1: your wisdom, but I wanted to hear from you. Well.
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 1: Quite honestly, I was very much like confused by it,
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 1: like I felt, I thought it was super awkward. Um. Now, yeah,
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 1: and now I don't know what Batchel Nation thinks. In fact, listeners,
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 1: what do you think was this moment awkward? Was it endearing?
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 1: Was it sweet? I mean, I know Ben is trying
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 1: to show up. So here's what we're talking about. Being
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 1: goes back behind the scenes here says he forgot something.
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 1: He comes out button naked, and he stands in front
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 1: of his buddy's and Tastia and the people butt naked. Um. Now,
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 1: I don't know what was trying to be proven here.
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 1: I know he's trying to show up for her, but
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 1: this was and like, I'm not against Ben, like I
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 1: think he's trying his best during this whole thing to
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 1: connect withation. I think he really likes her, but this
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 1: just felt so weird to me, and it never got
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 1: talked about it was so weird to me, and it
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 1: went over seemingly so well, and it left me feeling
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 1: even more weird because it went over so well. Maybe
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 1: at first she was startled, but then you could see
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 1: in her eyes that she really liked the gesture. Um,
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 1: which made me feel like I should be liking the gesture.
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 1: Part of me understands completely that, like, when you're naked,
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 1: you are so vulnerable. You're at like you're very most vulnerable.
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 1: Like it can be emotional, it can be physical, but
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 1: like I get the meaning behind it, but also at
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 1: the same time, there's so many other ways this early
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 1: on in a relationship to be vulnerable, and the other
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 1: guys demonstrated it so well that it was just bizarre
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 1: that he was like, Okay, this is what I'm going
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 1: to go for. Was it was a little bit part
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 1: of it him being showy and almost being like, but
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 1: I'm delivering this is what I have to offer exactly. Um.
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 1: And then she got so emotional after that that I
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 1: just went with it. I don't know, I still am
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 1: kind of confused about how I feel about it. Okay,
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 1: I don't think it's appropriate. That's that's what I'll say.
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 1: I don't think it was appropriate. I don't think it
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 1: was asked for. I think it was in weird taste,
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 1: And in weird taste is a perfect way of saying it.
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 1: And it was in front of all of his budd
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 1: ease Like, this wasn't like this wasn't him showing up
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 1: for Tasa. This was a moment in front of a
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 1: bunch of people, and yeah, like if it's something inside
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 1: of me and I need more, I need so this
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 1: is where in life. So here's a good example in life.
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 1: I would get my friends together and I would say, Hey,
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 1: I don't know how to process this scenario. I need
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 1: you to help me process it. Can we talk about
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 1: how you feel about it? If it was right, if
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 1: it was wrong? Um, And that's what I need now,
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 1: Like so we need you listeners, right as how do
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 1: you think? How do you feel about it? Are we
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 1: off here? Um? Or was this like the right thing
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 1: to do? Is it's the wrong thing to do? It
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 1: just felt it made me feel all sorts of weird.
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 1: There was so many things he could have done that
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 1: wasn't this that would have been just as strong enough
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 1: as a statement. And to me, in a way, it
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 1: was almost like him giving up on being more creative
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 1: and just being like, screw it, I'm gonna go with
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 1: what I've got. Yeah, it's it's I don't know, we
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 1: need to hear from you. Yeah, actually I'm with you.
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 1: Um but hey, uh, we've been wrong before. We could
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 1: be wrong again. This could be the sweetest gesture of
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 1: all time and we just don't know it yet. Um,
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 1: but I'm not feeling it. And uh, I felt like
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 1: at that moment, it just it just doesn't sit easy
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 1: well speaking of Easy at yeah, well, hey, maybe maybe
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 1: she does well speaking of Easy. Uh. We fast forward
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 1: now to the one on one day. Uh with Easy, Uh,
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 1: it seems to be going great, and it seems to
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 1: be going well, and um, I don't feel as a fan,
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 1: like I don't feel a connection the whole time. Like
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 1: I feel like they get along and they're like laughing together,
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 1: but there's no connection. Even at dinner, it felt, um
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 1: it felt forced. Well yeah I did, I mean because
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 1: he it felt like he was repeating himself a lot,
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 1: like out of nerves, like that was a cute day,
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 1: that was a cute day, and he kept saying that
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 1: and like that's a space filler. He's not comfortable yet, Well, Ashley,
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 1: did you expect the result to be easy going home? Okay,
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 1: So I think this um haunted House part. I just
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 1: gonna say the hounted house part was like the probably
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 1: the weakest point that we've seen, the weakest scene that
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 1: we've seen over the past couple of weeks, because everything
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  Speaker 1: has been super captivating. I just felt like this kind
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  Speaker 1: of dragged out a little bit. But maybe it's because
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  Speaker 1: I wasn't feeling like that strong of a connection. It
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 1: was more of a friendship that was very giggly. It
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 1: was fun. Um, it didn't lead to it didn't the
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 1: dates objective didn't lend itself to like huge vulnerability though,
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  Speaker 1: you know, it's like going to a haunted house. Like
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  Speaker 1: it's cute when you want to touch somebody and like
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 1: grab their arm, but it's not gonna like reveal your soul.
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  Speaker 1: And then when dinner time did roll around, I agree
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 1: with you. There was like some fluff convo and I
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 1: was like, why in the war but until the fluff combo,
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 1: until he said I'm falling in love with you, and
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 1: I was like, why in the world is this guy
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  Speaker 1: doing this right now? This is way too early. There's
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 1: been no scenes between the two of them, um in
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  Speaker 1: which like, this seems like it's the natural progression of things.
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  Speaker 1: So I like understand her not wanting to lead him
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  Speaker 1: on and eliminating him there, but I was shock, Actually,
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  Speaker 1: I was very shocked that she went through and eliminated him.
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  Speaker 1: It seems like to me, this seems like the kind
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  Speaker 1: of date where it's like you give him a rose
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  Speaker 1: on the date and then like he gets eliminated a
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  Speaker 1: week or two down the road. Yeah, you're telling me
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  Speaker 1: you weren't shocked by the fact that she was just like,
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  Speaker 1: and that's why I'm not going to get missed both.
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 1: I missed both. I was shocked at the injury result.
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 1: I guess I wasn't surprised that he's going home, is
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 1: my point. It's like at that point, yeah, shocking. Anytime
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  Speaker 1: anybody on a one on one doesn't get a rose
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 1: at the end, it's always a pretty pannicle moment, because
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 1: you know, you get to choose, you go on one
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  Speaker 1: on ones with their their treasured items. You want to
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 1: go on one on one with people that you have
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  Speaker 1: a feature with or that you want to get to
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  Speaker 1: know more, and so it's always shocking but um, I
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 1: wasn't surprised that he's not the one for Tasha and uh,
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 1: and it was the first bi big, like out of
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 1: nowhere cut that we've seen her make, which is, Uh,
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 1: once you do one, it's hard to stop and she'll
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 1: probably start, you know, chopping people away as she goes.
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  Speaker 1: But we move on from easy then until maybe one
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  Speaker 1: of the most captivating parts of the episode, something that's
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 1: dragged on for a long time. Jojo comes in very
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 1: serious uh and says that she needs to get to
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  Speaker 1: the bottom of something and this something is something we've
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 1: all watched and understood. And now again here's a little
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 1: hint at the show. When you're the lead, you don't
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 1: know the stuff's happening, but behind the scenes, like Tasha
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 1: knows that there's drama, she knows something's up, but she
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 1: keeps saying like I'm gonna get to the bottom of
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 1: because she hasn't seen it yet, she doesn't fully understand. Well.
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 1: Tassha calls both been It and Noah in for a
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 1: two on one date. Uh, Ashley, you have been on
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  Speaker 1: two on one dates. Talk us through this moment um,
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  Speaker 1: and then I'll share a couple opinions. I have. Yeah,
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 1: it's a it's a weird need to on one that's
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 1: pre cocktail party. Um, there will be a rose. I
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 1: feel like Tasia may not give either of these guys
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  Speaker 1: a rose, which happened in my situation. Again, like the
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 1: tension between them seems like it's all about like nothing.
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  Speaker 1: They're really just to people who don't get along, and
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 1: Bennett keeps insinuating that Noah is too young and that
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 1: he's childish. He gives him a book on emotional intelligence,
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  Speaker 1: which which gives us all flashbacks to Taylor Nolan talking
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 1: about emotional intelligence, but it says that he didn't have
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 1: it back when he was Noah's age. He also gives
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 1: him a red bandana, which is a sign of friendship,
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  Speaker 1: he says, and he doesn't want there to be any
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  Speaker 1: bad blood moving forward. But then when he gives him
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  Speaker 1: the emotional intelligence book and the mustache socks, which is
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 1: you know, uh, a little bit of a reference to
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  Speaker 1: the fact that he should only be anybody nobody should
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 1: be wearing a mustache anywhere but their feet. Bennett says
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  Speaker 1: all these are little nudges at how much he doesn't
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 1: think Noah should be around anymore. So they're not real gifts. However,
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 1: Bennett keeps saying that they are. Sincere. It looks like
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  Speaker 1: this gift is going to be the demise of Bennett
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  Speaker 1: because he's Tassia comes and sits down with Noah and Bennett,
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  Speaker 1: and Bennett's like, yeah, everything's tronglish. I just don't want
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  Speaker 1: anything to be childish. And I think that she's a
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 1: little bit confused in the moment, but then we get
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 1: it to be continued when she says what's in that box?
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  Speaker 1: She's going to open that box and see how demeaning
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 1: everything is towards Noah, and she's gonna eliminate Bennett. This
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  Speaker 1: is just what I think. What about you, Well, you
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  Speaker 1: just said it right. You just said a word that
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  Speaker 1: I think a lot of people are wondering. Was this
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  Speaker 1: box the meaning? Because Noah's claiming been a this is
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 1: another sign of you just being the meaning to me,
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  Speaker 1: of bullying me, of pushing me around, of making stuff
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  Speaker 1: out of nothing, like we could have easily came on
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  Speaker 1: this date. Um Instead, here's the part like if Bennet
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 1: would have sat down and said, no, actually, I don't
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  Speaker 1: like you, and I'm gonna give you this gift to
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  Speaker 1: show you that I'd be more okay with it, but
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 1: instead Bennett trying to wrap it up and manipulate the
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 1: situation by saying, hey, I'm always a peacemaker. I'm always
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 1: a guy that likes to make peace. So he's lying
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 1: because this is not him making peace, and then he
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  Speaker 1: presents the gift as something that's gonna be uplifting and
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  Speaker 1: help Noah, and he continues to manipulate no One say
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  Speaker 1: I'm just doing this out of love, man like, I'm
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 1: just trying to help you out, and Noah sitting there
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  Speaker 1: going no, Ben it, this is another sign of you
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 1: being the meaning to me of pushing me around. It's
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 1: not okay. And I wasn't okay with that either, because
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 1: what I mean, we just witnessed been Itt manipulating a
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 1: situation and making somebody feel belittled, which is never okay
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 1: on the show. Sort of. I don't even know if
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  Speaker 1: I agree with the word manipulating, because I feel like
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 1: manipulating is when somebody's like buying into it, and Noah
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 1: is not buying into this this Bennett, Yeah, manipulation is
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 1: also I mean, yeah, sure, I mean, what is it? Like?
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  Speaker 1: I don't know the right word than to use. But
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 1: like Bennett presents this as, Hey, this is something that
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 1: I'm just trying to cause peace. Man, I'm just and
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 1: then he twists it and it's only something that Noah
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 1: has to sit through and feel worse about himself. Like
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 1: can you imagine somebody opening this box up in front
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 1: of you and saying, this is what I think of you,
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 1: and I'm gonna I'm gonna act like it's out of
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 1: love and care, but really you're just gonna sit there
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 1: and have to take me criticizing you for minutes upon
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 1: minutes like it's not okay, okay. So we are like
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 1: I think some of us, me included, are watching this
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 1: being like, oh, but this is sort of funny because
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 1: it's coming from Bennett and he's using this word. Oh
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 1: now we've fallen into a foli or something like that,
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 1: and it's just like, well, first off, he used the
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 1: wrong word of folly fall folly. Folly has to if
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 1: you're gonna pluralize, it has to be follies. Like he
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 1: he did not use folly right, Folly was wrong. He
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 1: follies is the plural and he's talking about two of
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 1: them coming into a disagreement. So he was wrong. Smart
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 1: smart Ben, Okay, So, but could you imagine if it's
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 1: just like a regular person, like not a person who's
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 1: a walking caricature, but like a regular person and they
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 1: handed you this demining gift, that person would be villainized
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 1: so fast, that person would be a straight up villain.
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 1: In this case, Ben, it's almost halfway getting away with
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 1: it because we think that he seems like an actor
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 1: for hire. Well, let's see if he gets away with it.
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 1: Because obviously, as you said, Tasha is going to open
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 1: up this gift and we'll see what she says. I mean,
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 1: we will have to base our opinion on what Tasha does.
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 1: But I know how I stand right now, and it's
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 1: obvious how you stand. To Ashley, It's gonna be a
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 1: great episode next week. Obviously, we're leaving this episode on
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 1: a cliffhanger with a lot to a lot of unknowns,
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 1: a lot to discover. Another great episode of tatious season,
• 1:15:59
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• 1:16:01
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