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4/3/26: Iran Shoots Down US Jet, Trump Purges Military, CNN Loses It On Hasan · Breaking Points with Krystal and Saagar

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  Speaker 5: I got a giant purge of the military underway, just
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  Speaker 5: as there's a search and rescue operation going on in
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  Speaker 5: southern Iran, So not great timing for that, but you know,
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  Speaker 4: and we were talking speaking of independent journalism just before
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  Speaker 4: we went to air. Here you think Jeremy, Jeremy's Khelle
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  Speaker 4: here colleague over at drop Site, might have been the
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  Speaker 4: first to get some of the at least in the
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  Speaker 4: Western press, get some of what's happening right now in Iran.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, so this morning, an Iranian official told Jeremy that
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  Speaker 5: an F fifteen to E was shot down over southern
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  Speaker 5: Iran and that there was a search and rescue operation
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  Speaker 5: underway from the from the United States. Some of the
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  Speaker 5: Iran you know, the state affiliated Farmst news agency had
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  Speaker 5: already reported some of this. I think Jeremy might have
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  Speaker 5: been the first to confirm it in the Western media
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  Speaker 5: many hours later. The Israeli press has since has since
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  Speaker 5: confirmed it. Clearly the Israelis were briefed on what's going
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  Speaker 5: on here, and so are now you know, sharing sharing
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  Speaker 5: details as well. I believe the American media outside of
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  Speaker 5: drop Site is now finally uh starting to follow it.
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  Speaker 5: This comes after, you know, within twenty four hours of
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  Speaker 5: another kind of video that's surfaced of a plane that
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  Speaker 5: looked to be getting shot down and headed towards the sea.
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  Speaker 5: But there was then a lot of pushback around that one,
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  Speaker 5: saying that no, the fighter actually fighter pilot actually evaded
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  Speaker 5: it and was able to you know, make it back safely.
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  Speaker 5: So we don't we still don't know much about that
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  Speaker 5: there was enough, you know. It also raises questions about
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  Speaker 5: you know, previous about previous claims that the US had
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  Speaker 5: denied saying no, no, no, this this actually has not happened,
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  Speaker 5: because this one clearly has happened. H F fifteen e's
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  Speaker 5: have two pilots in them there, and so we know
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  Speaker 5: for sure that there are rescue operations underway here. I
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  Speaker 5: can share so on Orion telegram. Let me see if
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  Speaker 5: I can get these going.
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  Speaker 1: Starts videos reporting all circulated.
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  Speaker 5: This is a revieweling jet flying at an extremely low altitude.
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  Speaker 5: That and then there were there are also some footage
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  Speaker 5: of patchy American Apache helicopters, and this is the refueling
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  Speaker 5: jet as well.
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  Speaker 1: You're you're seeing, uh, let me see what else we
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  Speaker 1: got here.
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  Speaker 5: So okay, so these are the apparently, you know, my
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  Speaker 5: understanding is that these are the kind of rare earth
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  Speaker 5: stealth black Hawk helicopters that have been dispatched two you know,
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  Speaker 5: for this search and rescue operation. Doing so in broad
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  Speaker 5: daylight is extraordinarily dangerous. Of course, there's a lot of
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  Speaker 5: I think intentional misinformation flying around at this point. There's
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  Speaker 5: some reporting out of the Iranian media that the a
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  Speaker 5: lot of people have probably seen by now the kind
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  Speaker 5: of image of the pilot's chair that that is taken
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  Speaker 5: in the southern the desert in southern Iran with a
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  Speaker 5: parachute next to it. There's now Iranian reporting claiming that
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  Speaker 5: that was posted to lore the US into a search
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  Speaker 5: and rescue operation and that there and there are further
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  Speaker 5: reports that the Iranians already have the pilots, though there's
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  Speaker 5: the status of how they're doing is unknown, but that
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  Speaker 5: also might be misinformation. Like you can't really believe anything
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  Speaker 5: coming out of either the US, Israel, or Iran right now,
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  Speaker 5: although we do know for sure that this jet was
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  Speaker 5: shot down, like that part is all sides compartment.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, there you have.
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  Speaker 4: What's what's up on the screen is just within the
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  Speaker 4: last half an hour. US officials have confirmed this to
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  Speaker 4: the New York Times.
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  Speaker 5: Yep, right, so this is ahead of a potential ground operation.
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  Speaker 5: This is not even part of the kind of boots
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  Speaker 5: on the ground operation that Trump may or may not
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  Speaker 5: be planning. But it certainly doesn't bode well for US actually,
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  Speaker 5: given that hag Seth has repeatedly said that the US
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  Speaker 5: has complete air superiority.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, and this is exactly I mean, I don't mean
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  Speaker 4: this in a papien sense, but this is exactly why
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  Speaker 4: when you, even with the best of intentions, say we're
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  Speaker 4: doing a two week bombing run. This is a limited
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  Speaker 4: air strike campaign. This is a Middle Eastern version of
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  Speaker 4: the Maduro Raid. As much as you can want that
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  Speaker 4: to be the case, when events like this happen, it's
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  Speaker 4: the escalation trap. Again, not in a papien sense, but
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  Speaker 4: in the sense that this is how you end up
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  Speaker 4: getting trapped in escalation against your intentions, which is that
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  Speaker 4: now you have potentially on the ground search and rescue
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  Speaker 4: mission which can potentially rep in even more lives. But
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  Speaker 4: it's on the ground, and on top of that, you
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  Speaker 4: now have the the what's the right word for this,
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  Speaker 4: I don't want to say the pride, but I think
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  Speaker 4: that's probably how Donald Trump and Pete Haigseth will see it.
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  Speaker 4: The pride of the United States on the line where
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  Speaker 4: a fighter jet has been shot down by enemies and
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  Speaker 4: potentially more American death. So if we don't think this
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  Speaker 4: is going to lead to escalation, that could draw us
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  Speaker 4: into a ground campaign. I mean, this is exact I
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  Speaker 4: was saying yesterday on Series six M. This is how
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  Speaker 4: we don't know. Trump gives a speech and says two
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  Speaker 4: to three more weeks of bombing, bombing, back to the
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  Speaker 4: Stone Age. But exactly historically, the way that these things
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  Speaker 4: can grow and grow and grow and fantasticize into conflicts
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  Speaker 4: that are bigger than people expect is just by steps
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  Speaker 4: like this on the ladder. This is exactly what people
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  Speaker 4: were warning about.
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  Speaker 5: And Trump himself is out with a new statement on
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  Speaker 5: truth social that will do nothing to call him anybody's fears.
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  Speaker 5: He says, with a little more time, we can easily
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  Speaker 5: open the horror moves straight, take the oil and make
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  Speaker 5: a fortune. It would be a gusher for the world.
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  Speaker 5: But then question marks, Sorry, it would be a gusher
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  Speaker 5: for the world. Question three question marks. Okay, I don't
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  Speaker 5: I don't know why the question marks. So, by the
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  Speaker 5: way he's posting this and the President Donald G. Trump,
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  Speaker 5: he's posting this after he must have been briefed that
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  Speaker 5: he'd lost that we'd lost an F fifteen e.
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  Speaker 4: And it's in the New York Times. He's been briefed.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, so this is.
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  Speaker 5: He posted this at eight twenty this morning, since two hours. Yeah,
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  Speaker 5: he'd been briefed on this. Uh yeah, when did when
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  Speaker 5: did Jeremy post his? Yeah, Jeremy posted his at three.
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  Speaker 1: O nine am.
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  Speaker 5: So so Jeremy posts. So Jeremy posts at three o
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  Speaker 5: nine am. Let me put this up here, and I
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  Speaker 5: just think this is remarkab about who this guy is. So,
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  Speaker 5: so here's so, here's Jeremy's proposed. At three am this
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  Speaker 5: morning and from normal working hours, war plane hit by
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  Speaker 5: Iran went down over southern Tehran Province. Officials said that
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  Speaker 5: because of the nature of the strike, the pilot could
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  Speaker 5: not evacuate before crashing. Intense fire the scene. No remains
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  Speaker 5: have been found. Five hours later, Trump is tweeting about
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  Speaker 5: how we're going to make a fortune. It's going to
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  Speaker 5: be a gusher for the world. Like this is a
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  Speaker 5: crazy person.
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  Speaker 4: That's a really good point, Ryan, Like he's just been
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  Speaker 4: briefed on two missing likely I mean, I don't know,
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  Speaker 4: I shouldn't say likely, but potentially deceased service members in
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  Speaker 4: a war that he decided to start.
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  Speaker 5: And they clearly have some intel that they might be
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  Speaker 5: alive because they've launched this massive search and rescue operation, right,
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  Speaker 5: so amid that he tweets this is going to be
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  Speaker 5: a gusher for the world.
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  Speaker 1: The world question mark, Yeah, the world.
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  Speaker 4: Well it was a question mark. I guess to be faz.
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  Speaker 1: He just throwed out there. He's just asking questions. I
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  Speaker 1: also wanted to flag. CNN reported last night from their
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  Speaker 1: sources that over half of Iran's missiles launchers remain intact,
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  Speaker 1: as well as a ton of one way attack drones.
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  Speaker 4: So interesting bylines on the story, Griffin, I'm glad you
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  Speaker 4: brought up souse. I have it right in front of
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  Speaker 4: me and let me just share the screen. It's in
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  Speaker 4: the Tasha bertrand Jim Shuddo story. And Ryan, you could
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  Speaker 4: probably tell us more about Jim Shoodo because he covered
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  Speaker 4: the Obama administration. But he was working at what it
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  Speaker 4: was State, right, he was working at State during the
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  Speaker 4: Obama administration.
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  Speaker 1: Did he work for the state's abartman or covering, No,
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  Speaker 1: he was.
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  Speaker 4: He worked for the Obama administration. He was, he was
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  Speaker 4: in the administration. But anyway, all that is to say
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  Speaker 4: the sourcing is somewhat interesting. Natasha Bertrand I take everything
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  Speaker 4: she says with a heating grain of salt, because I
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  Speaker 4: assume that it's genuinely generally often coming from the CIA.
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  Speaker 4: But the lead of the story is that doesn't mean
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  Speaker 4: it's always wrong that's coming from the CIA, but it
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  Speaker 4: does mean it's probably trying to manipulate you in one
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  Speaker 4: direction or the other. Roughly half of Iran's missile launchers
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  Speaker 4: are still intact, and thousands of one way attack drones
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  Speaker 4: remain in Iran's arsenal, despite the daily pounding by US
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  Speaker 4: and Israeli strikes against military targets over the past five weeks.
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  Speaker 4: According to recent US Intel assessments, three sources familiar with
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  Speaker 4: the Intel told CNN quote, they are still very much
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  Speaker 4: poised to wreak absolute havoc throughout the entire region end quote.
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  Speaker 4: One of the sources set of Iran. And finally, the
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  Speaker 4: US Intel assessment total may include launchers that are currently inaccessible,
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  Speaker 4: such as those buried underground by strikes but not destroyed.
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  Speaker 4: What did you make of this one, Ryan.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, I think what we don't seem to
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  Speaker 5: understand is that we are at war with a real
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  Speaker 5: country like we are used to. We have spent the
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  Speaker 5: last twenty years fighting insurgents and insurgent groups and the
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  Speaker 5: Taliban around the world. What we have now confronted in
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  Speaker 5: the case of Iran is a government that has spent
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  Speaker 5: nearly fifty years kind of preparing for a defensive war.
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  Speaker 5: It spent the first ten years of its existence in
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  Speaker 5: actual war against Iraq, armed heavily by the US and Israel, ironically,
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  Speaker 5: but it spent the time after that believing that it
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  Speaker 5: was likely that at some point the US and Israel
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  Speaker 5: collectively were going to attack them and try to overthrow
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  Speaker 5: the regime. Iran is one of the most kind of
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  Speaker 5: just geographically naturally fortified countries you could think of, just
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  Speaker 5: surrounded by mountains, and so they've spent decades, you know,
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  Speaker 5: building these kind of missile cities deep under that mountainous terrain,
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  Speaker 5: such that they are trying to make it so that
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  Speaker 5: even a tactical nuclear weapon wouldn't be able to hit them. Now,
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  Speaker 5: there are a lot of videos that have been circulating
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  Speaker 5: of kind of explore you know, explosions and then secondary explosions,
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  Speaker 5: and particularly in Isfahan, and it's see it seems like
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  Speaker 5: they're hitting a lot of AMMO storage and a lot
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  Speaker 5: of ammo dump That kind of ammo is what the
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  Speaker 5: Iranians would use to repel a nineteen eighties style you know,
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  Speaker 5: Iraq invasion, Like you send it in a bunch of
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  Speaker 5: tanks and troops. Then you'd shoot the you know, one
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  Speaker 5: fifty five millimeters shells at them. Those that's not the
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  Speaker 5: artillerary artillery that you're going to be firing at Israel
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  Speaker 5: or at Kuwait or the you know, any of the
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  Speaker 5: Gulf states. Those are the ballistic missiles which are buried
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  Speaker 5: much deeper in the mountains and which they've been developing
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  Speaker 5: methods of launching that that would be able to continue
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  Speaker 5: in a lack of air superiority. This is and they've
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  Speaker 5: been planning it for a very very long time. So
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  Speaker 5: they had, they had the time, they had, they had
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  Speaker 5: the resources, they despite the sanctions the oil producing country,
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  Speaker 5: and they had the motivation and the capacity to do it.
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  Speaker 1: They did it.
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  Speaker 5: And now we're shocked that, you know, we're not just
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  Speaker 5: bumping them off like it's al Shabab or something.
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  Speaker 4: Hmmm. And we should also mention looking at the the
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  Speaker 4: New York Times live blog right now, their update scroll
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  Speaker 4: is overwhelming. This is just as it two hours ago.
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  Speaker 4: More infrastructure sites in Golf countries came under attack. So
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  Speaker 4: this is about that Kuwait that the Kuwaiti desalination plant.
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  Speaker 7: Yep.
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  Speaker 4: Absolutely. And then the bridge was it yesterday? The highway
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  Speaker 4: bridge near Tehran that was damaged in a US strike
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  Speaker 4: that President Trump celebrated on Thursday. According to The Times,
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  Speaker 4: the attack on the B one bridge killed eight people
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  Speaker 4: and wounded ninety five, according to a local official sited
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  Speaker 4: in state media.
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  Speaker 1: We also got Trump's tweet here of the video he
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  Speaker 1: decided to tweet out. He says, the biggest bridge in
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  Speaker 1: Iran comes tumbling down, never to be used again. Much
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  Speaker 1: more to follow. It as time for Iran to make
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  Speaker 1: a deal before it is too late and there's nothing
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  Speaker 1: left of what still could become a great country. So
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  Speaker 1: this is like a major attack on a civilian site.
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  Speaker 1: There's also some reports that it was a double tap. Ryan,
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  Speaker 1: did you hear this? Yeah, yes, that rescue crews were hit. Yes,
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  Speaker 1: so not only civilian. I don't confirm, but yeah, well
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  Speaker 1: we're here, We're it's unconfirmed, but we've been hearing it,
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  Speaker 1: and so yes, do we think that these civilian attacks
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  Speaker 1: are just retribution for our asses getting kicked and that
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  Speaker 1: we're going to keep ramping that stuff up.
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  Speaker 4: Well, seems like I'm being to ramp up.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, it fits with the kind of Israeli strategy of
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  Speaker 5: We're going to degrade Iran as much as possible, you know,
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  Speaker 5: in the time that we're able to con in you
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  Speaker 5: waging this just you know, blowing up the pharmaceutical industry,
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  Speaker 5: blowing up the steel industry, going after medical sites. This
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  Speaker 5: can only be aimed at like the total destruction of
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  Speaker 5: their society absent being able to do a regime change.
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  Speaker 5: And again the way which not that anybody cares, but
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  Speaker 5: obvious war crimes.
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  Speaker 4: When you have then two service members missing on the
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  Speaker 4: ground as of right now, when you have that situation
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  Speaker 4: unfolding as well, it just all of this creates, at
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  Speaker 4: least in the minds of wartime leaders, more of a
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  Speaker 4: permission structure for escalation. And that's this. Waking up this
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  Speaker 4: morning to this particular slate of news is very bleak.
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  Speaker 1: Not obviously now that gets out of this mess, Yes,
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  Speaker 1: not at all. Well, well, we remain we've seen how
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  Speaker 1: this will be a gusher for the world. But why
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  Speaker 1: don't we get into some of these strategic firings happening
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  Speaker 1: behind the scenes. Uh, there's been a big clearing of
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  Speaker 1: house on Trump and heg sets end heg Seth I
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  Speaker 1: believe has removed three top generals and uh yeah, you
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  Speaker 1: can throw those up if you have a memory.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, and I'll say it, go ahead.
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  Speaker 3: Oh yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And also Trump has released Pam Bondy into the private sector.
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  Speaker 1: But first, why don't we start with the hag set Bondi.
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  Speaker 4: Bondi is Pambondi. It has been traded ahead of the deadline.
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  Speaker 4: I had another trade deadline to the private sector. And
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  Speaker 4: it's a swap that everyone's really pleased with. But no,
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  Speaker 4: in all seriousness, obviously, the big news yesterday, I have
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  Speaker 4: to say it surprised me was that Bondi, Pam Bondi
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  Speaker 4: Attorney General. Pam Bondi, who had just been with Donald
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  Speaker 4: Trump at the Supreme Court the day early year, and
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  Speaker 4: who has known Trump for many, many years, is out.
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  Speaker 4: So Todd Blanche, who was Deputy ag. You may remember
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  Speaker 4: Todd Blanche is the person who conducted that Gallaine Maxwell interview,
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  Speaker 4: is now stepping in as Attorney General. Remains to be
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  Speaker 4: seen whether Trump keeps him there. I will not one
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  Speaker 4: interesting angle of this that's a little softer, but it is.
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  Speaker 4: I find it interesting you had Christy Norman Pam Bondi,
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  Speaker 4: both of whom were put in those roles, at least
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  Speaker 4: in part because Donald Trump thought they were strong communicators,
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  Speaker 4: that they were strong on television, and that they would
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  Speaker 4: take this generational political opportunity as people on the right
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  Speaker 4: saw it. When with Noam it was immigration crackdown. With
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  Speaker 4: Bondi it was retribution and communicate it, convey it in
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  Speaker 4: a way to the public that would mitigate any fallout,
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  Speaker 4: and the like. They have both been replaced by men,
• 18:53
  Speaker 4: at least so far, and not you know, your typical
• 18:56
  Speaker 4: like I guess Mark wayn Mullen counts as somebody who
• 18:59
  Speaker 4: Trump thinks is on media and is more telegenic. But
• 19:03
  Speaker 4: I don't know that you could necessarily say that a
• 19:05
  Speaker 4: Todd Blanche. Let's let's read a little bit because Politico
• 19:08
  Speaker 4: is reporting here. I think it is. This is roughly
• 19:12
  Speaker 4: what I'm hearing as well. Quote Pam Bondi did almost
• 19:14
  Speaker 4: everything Donald Trump asked. It wasn't enough. Bonnie's ouster is
• 19:17
  Speaker 4: ag Thursday, continuing to string of unceremonious departures for occupants
• 19:21
  Speaker 4: of Trump's most perilous cabinet post all have one commonality,
• 19:25
  Speaker 4: failure in Trump's size to sufficiently use the Justice Department
• 19:28
  Speaker 4: as a shield from legal scrutiny and a sword against
• 19:32
  Speaker 4: his political enemies. He is now looking at potentially Lee Zelden,
• 19:37
  Speaker 4: who is EPA administrator, but was looking into, as Politico says,
• 19:43
  Speaker 4: the quote cascade of criminal prosecutions Trump has long demanded
• 19:47
  Speaker 4: against his enemies. That truth social post he accidentally made public.
• 19:53
  Speaker 4: Does everyone remember this? He accidentally posted a DM which
• 19:57
  Speaker 4: is interesting because it means Trump is dming his own
• 20:00
  Speaker 4: own cabinet officials on social media, right, and that the
• 20:05
  Speaker 4: account is so casually used by the president that you
• 20:11
  Speaker 4: could it's conceivable to accidentally post something with implications. I mean,
• 20:16
  Speaker 4: he does foreign policy and truth social implications for the world,
• 20:20
  Speaker 4: So just another interesting part of that. But he was
• 20:23
  Speaker 4: asking her to basically get tougher, and it looks like
• 20:27
  Speaker 4: from all of the reporting this said nothing to do
• 20:29
  Speaker 4: with Epstein, unless you know that's not a precipitating factor
• 20:34
  Speaker 4: in this. What Trump wanted from Pambondi was more prosecutions
• 20:38
  Speaker 4: of his political enemies, basically, and we should add no
• 20:41
  Speaker 4: tears for Pambondi, who brought the swamp into the Justice Department,
• 20:46
  Speaker 4: not for the first time, it's obviously very routine, but
• 20:49
  Speaker 4: they oversaw this horrible corrupt process at the FTC that
• 20:57
  Speaker 4: was allowing mergers to go through cash being like exchange
• 21:01
  Speaker 4: and just laugh yucking it up, not like back alley deals,
• 21:05
  Speaker 4: but like typical lobbyist type exchanges, which you know. Again,
• 21:09
  Speaker 4: Trump administration welcomes Gail Slater and says she's gonna crack
• 21:13
  Speaker 4: down on big tech, and then Pambondy and Todd Blanche
• 21:17
  Speaker 4: and Chad Mazzel and others to say it, sorry, swamp's
• 21:22
  Speaker 4: more powerful here. Basically, Pam Bondi came. Pambondi was a lobbyist.
• 21:26
  Speaker 4: She was a pretty successful lobbyist, so perhaps that's where
• 21:30
  Speaker 4: she's going back to.
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: And then we have you know, Trump here saying a
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: farewell to Pam Bondy. He says, Pam Bondi is a
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: great American patriot and a loyal friend who faithfully served
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: as my Attorney general. Over the past year, Ham did
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: a tremendous job overseeing a massive crackdown and crime across
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: our country, with murders plummeting to their lowest level since
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: nineteen hundred. Very interesting. We love Pam and she will
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: be transitioning to a much needed and important new job
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: in the private sector. And yeah, I guess there's a
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: lot of other fires to get to. But my final
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: question for both of you is you didn't Pam Bondy
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: kind of do a great job. I mean she had
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: two jobs, right, cover up the Epstein files and go
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: after political enemies with the Epstein files thing. She did
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: a terrible job covering up the Epstein files. Well, well,
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: here's the well, here's the thing, Ryan, I mean, listen,
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: they're not all released. You still don't have all the files.
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: So that's one point for Pam, right, Yeah, but he
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: had to go to war to stop like the news
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: cycle around it. So that's that's a loss when it
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: comes to your pr management. If you have to launch
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: a world war to like distract from like the you
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: know what, he didn't want to happen at all, then yeah,
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: that's that's an l Well, there was a period where
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: she was the center of it in a sense where
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: she was taking all the blame for it. In a
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: way that kind of helped Trump because then everyone could say, oh,
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: it's actually Pam Bondy who is befuddling this and and
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: messing this up. She did the influencer photos, and she
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: uh you know, she did a few other embarrassing uh
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: you know, public speeches about it, and then people were
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: able to kind of direct attention away from Trump and
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: onto her and kind of blame it on her, which
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: is kind of what he's looking for. Right.
• 23:28
  Speaker 5: Yeah, that was bad, right, Emily, Like that was terrible,
• 23:30
  Speaker 5: like the way that she I mean no, it was no.
• 23:33
  Speaker 5: That did not help him, Like it did.
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: Not help him.
• 23:35
  Speaker 5: There was no reason for her to say that she
• 23:38
  Speaker 5: had thousands of hours of like pedophile stuff, that she
• 23:42
  Speaker 5: had all of this stuff on her desk.
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: There's no reason for her to give.
• 23:47
  Speaker 5: Empty binders and humiliate all of those like allies of
• 23:51
  Speaker 5: the White House. That was all own goals. None of
• 23:55
  Speaker 5: that was unforced. That was those were those were unforced errors.
• 24:00
  Speaker 4: She made this situation two hundred times worse in her
• 24:03
  Speaker 4: efforts to like circle the wagons around the president and
• 24:08
  Speaker 4: protect him, which is extra pathetic. Now I'm reading from
• 24:12
  Speaker 4: the Federalist right now. Obviously I used to work there.
• 24:14
  Speaker 4: The Federals is like the if you're if you're looking
• 24:16
  Speaker 4: for coverage on the right of like where they would
• 24:20
  Speaker 4: be looking, uh to see a or looking for the
• 24:24
  Speaker 4: rights perspective on the kind of retribution, the legal retribution
• 24:28
  Speaker 4: in the Trump administration, this would be the place. And
• 24:31
  Speaker 4: just to characterize some of the conservative backlash to Pam Bondi,
• 24:37
  Speaker 4: they're basically saying the coverach here from Matt Kittle who's
• 24:41
  Speaker 4: interviewing Mike Howell of the Oversight Project, which I think
• 24:43
  Speaker 4: is connected to the Heritage Foundation. But they're looking for
• 24:47
  Speaker 4: a quote vicious operator. The headline is Trump needs a
• 24:50
  Speaker 4: quote vicious operator to bring the Justice Department, to bring
• 24:53
  Speaker 4: justice back to the Justice Department. Its cites particularly the
• 24:57
  Speaker 4: Biden auto pen scandal, which is really big on the right,
• 25:00
  Speaker 4: that like Bondi was not able to like actually get
• 25:05
  Speaker 4: prosecutions in the autopen scandal, which we know Trump is
• 25:08
  Speaker 4: obsessed with, and that's kind of a proxy. It's not
• 25:11
  Speaker 4: it's not just about you know, oh, none of the
• 25:13
  Speaker 4: autobend people got locked up or there's been no justice.
• 25:16
  Speaker 4: It's more saying like, if you can't prosecute the autopen
• 25:19
  Speaker 4: stuff with the president, which the president is obsessed with,
• 25:24
  Speaker 4: then what aren't you doing that should be going like
• 25:28
  Speaker 4: remember when Tulca Gabbard went and was that the I
• 25:31
  Speaker 4: was the new media stef at the seat at this briefing.
• 25:33
  Speaker 4: It just happened that way where she comes up and
• 25:36
  Speaker 4: talks about this investigation, sprawling investigation into Obama and John
• 25:40
  Speaker 4: Brennan that the White House and the Justice Department is
• 25:45
  Speaker 4: looking into. Well, conservatives are getting impatient and saying where
• 25:50
  Speaker 4: are the actual charges? Like why have no charges been brought?
• 25:54
  Speaker 4: So I think that's where Trump probably is personally just
• 25:57
  Speaker 4: obsessed with the autopens scandal, the autopen prosecutions, but they're
• 26:03
  Speaker 4: looking for more heads to roll.
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: Basically, didn't Trump set her off on James Comy and
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: she she sent something off for that. It just was
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: like kind of made up, right.
• 26:19
  Speaker 4: Comy, Well, it's a whole that's a such a mess.
• 26:23
  Speaker 4: It was, I don't want to say necessarily thin, but
• 26:25
  Speaker 4: there was a whole thing with the Statute of limitations
• 26:28
  Speaker 4: and it was, if I'm remembering the details correctly, essentially
• 26:31
  Speaker 4: like a perjury charge.
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: So yeah, that's a problem.
• 26:36
  Speaker 4: Maybe also a good example of a prosecution being bungles
• 26:39
  Speaker 4: by Trump's perspective, because that was a hot mess. But
• 26:42
  Speaker 4: I don't know to what extent that was Pam Bondi's fault.
• 26:44
  Speaker 4: I mean, obviously she's the head of the Justice Department,
• 26:46
  Speaker 4: but uh, it just it sounds like, you know, vicious operator.
• 26:52
  Speaker 4: I don't know who's going to fit that Bill. I
• 26:54
  Speaker 4: don't know if it's Lee's Helden. I don't think Lee's
• 26:56
  Speaker 4: Elden vicious operator. So we'll see, maybe Matt Gates comes
• 27:01
  Speaker 4: out of retirement.
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: Oh that'd be cool, Ryan, though there are more heads
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: potentially to roll. Trump is not just considering or has
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: not just fired Bondi, but it's considering he's firing others.
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: Who else is on this hill list? Well, the Pentagon.
• 27:19
  Speaker 5: Stuff is like it's extremely intense, like the fact that
• 27:22
  Speaker 5: we're doing this, like right in the middle of this war.
• 27:26
  Speaker 5: So so he has pushed out General Randy George, and
• 27:33
  Speaker 5: I'm told this is basically a clash between heg Seth
• 27:37
  Speaker 5: and Driscoll, the Army secretary, and ultimately will kind of
• 27:42
  Speaker 5: evolve into a a heg Seth versus jd Vance clash.
• 27:48
  Speaker 5: I don't know if you've heard anything about that, Emily,
• 27:51
  Speaker 5: but this weirdly, like I know a lot of people
• 27:56
  Speaker 5: on the left are like worried that this is like
• 28:00
  Speaker 5: Seth like consolidating power and that Trump's going to do
• 28:02
  Speaker 5: some coup or something. It feels like it's actually more
• 28:06
  Speaker 5: related to like heg Seth's hostility to d e I
• 28:11
  Speaker 5: and he's gone after a bunch of other He's he's
• 28:15
  Speaker 5: tried to block a bunch of promotions of women and minorities,
• 28:21
  Speaker 5: and Driscoll has pushed back against him, And this is
• 28:24
  Speaker 5: HEG Seth kind of company firing back around that the
• 28:29
  Speaker 5: Washington Posts reporting, you know, two other army generals remove
• 28:33
  Speaker 5: were removed along with George. They are General David Hodeney,
• 28:38
  Speaker 5: who became the head of the Services Training and Transformation
• 28:41
  Speaker 5: Command in October, and Major General William Green Junior, the
• 28:45
  Speaker 5: chief of Army Chaplains. So it's like, but at what,
• 28:53
  Speaker 5: like what what is this? What is this guy doing here?
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: So Ryan, are you saying the straight of her moves
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: is not open yet because of woke? Is that essentially
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: the administration's here.
• 29:03
  Speaker 4: They've been way too focused on the gaze of horror
• 29:05
  Speaker 4: moves and like this is the problem with the EI
• 29:09
  Speaker 4: is it's all about the gay of hormus and not about.
• 29:12
  Speaker 5: The straight of horrmuves got to focus on the Straits. Yeah,
• 29:15
  Speaker 5: and so Hegseth has been trying. It has been consolidating
• 29:18
  Speaker 5: power from the beginning. You know, they've fired a whole
• 29:23
  Speaker 5: ton of people.
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: It looks like.
• 29:29
  Speaker 5: Here's again from the post with George's auster. Hegseth has
• 29:33
  Speaker 5: remade nearly the entire Joint chiefs of Staff.
• 29:36
  Speaker 4: Uh.
• 29:37
  Speaker 5: The only ones remaining from when Hegseth took office just
• 29:40
  Speaker 5: over a year ago are General Eric Smith of the
• 29:43
  Speaker 5: Marine Corps and General Chance Saltzman, head of the Space Force.
• 29:47
  Speaker 5: Everybody else and the joint chiefs of Staff has been
• 29:51
  Speaker 5: has been replaced.
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: Like extremely unusual has there been in this kind of
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: a head change in past wars like with Iraq againnis
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: Dan at the beginning? Was there a big period?
• 30:02
  Speaker 5: Not not in peace time war general like the purges
• 30:06
  Speaker 5: purges are not really a thing in kind of US
• 30:10
  Speaker 5: military history, like.
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: Which by the way, is the Civil War.
• 30:14
  Speaker 5: When Lincolns like pissed off at all generals. We can
• 30:16
  Speaker 5: get saga on here to run through it. But like
• 30:19
  Speaker 5: it's not a thing. Like it's a much more routinize, methodical,
• 30:24
  Speaker 5: hierarchical like orderly system than than even in Trump won.
• 30:31
  Speaker 5: But Trump is clearly bringing Trump energy to the to
• 30:35
  Speaker 5: the Pedagon.
• 30:37
  Speaker 4: Well, this is the flip side of it, is that
• 30:40
  Speaker 4: the Pentagon is a bureaucratic not of people who are
• 30:48
  Speaker 4: way too comfortable and probably should be purged. I don't
• 30:53
  Speaker 4: know the It would be very difficult for me to
• 30:55
  Speaker 4: say the particulars of like who should go, who's worthy,
• 30:58
  Speaker 4: and who's unworthy, but that's obviously I think it's very clearly,
• 31:03
  Speaker 4: I think a problem at the Pentagon, and then if
• 31:07
  Speaker 4: you don't come up with a sane solution to the problem,
• 31:09
  Speaker 4: you end up getting people who just go and take
• 31:11
  Speaker 4: Leo DiCaprio's blow towards at the end of Once Upon
• 31:14
  Speaker 4: a Time in Hollywood to the entire operation in wartime.
• 31:18
  Speaker 4: So the General Ryan pointed this out as we were
• 31:21
  Speaker 4: opening the show. George is ousted. We don't know the
• 31:25
  Speaker 4: exact timeline yet, but basically, as we have fighter pilots
• 31:31
  Speaker 4: missing or killed in action over Iran, like these things
• 31:34
  Speaker 4: are unfolding simultaneously and that's a horrible look, and we're like,
• 31:40
  Speaker 4: this is pretty new news. This is like fairly recent development.
• 31:44
  Speaker 4: So we'll learn more about what was happening behind the scenes.
• 31:46
  Speaker 4: But that's a they have a lot to answer for,
• 31:50
  Speaker 4: probably when it comes to exactly what was happening behind
• 31:53
  Speaker 4: the scenes.
• 31:55
  Speaker 5: Yeah, and I think Griffin, you were referring to Trump
• 31:57
  Speaker 5: apparently polling his advices on whether he should fire Tulsea Gabbard.
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: Yest and I or do not invite is as they
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: call her. I believe. Yeah, also, go ahead, Well I
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: was gonna say.
• 32:15
  Speaker 4: They're also apparently, according to Playbook, he's quote express frustrations
• 32:20
  Speaker 4: with Commerce Secretary Howard Lutneck and Labor Secretary Loris shots
• 32:24
  Speaker 4: de Rumer Lori shot Is the rumor has been drowning
• 32:28
  Speaker 4: in scandals over the last so many months. So that's
• 32:31
  Speaker 4: one that you can eat. That's a head you could
• 32:33
  Speaker 4: easily see rolling quote. Rumors also continue circling around FBA.
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: I forget. Oh no, there's her husband doing a bunch
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: of stuff.
• 32:43
  Speaker 4: Yeah, her husband's been kicked out, well her too. It's
• 32:47
  Speaker 4: it's like pretty typical DC type stuff like misuse of
• 32:50
  Speaker 4: public resources, and her husband has a little bit of
• 32:53
  Speaker 4: a problem, like they're not even letting him back into
• 32:55
  Speaker 4: the labor building because.
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: People like Yeah.
• 33:02
  Speaker 4: Also apparently Army Secretary Dan Driscoll, So in addition to
• 33:07
  Speaker 4: Tulsi and Pam Bondi and christin Nome. It's it's beginning
• 33:15
  Speaker 4: to be Trump one ish and covering Trump one, it
• 33:20
  Speaker 4: was just Jeff Sessions and like it was just this
• 33:23
  Speaker 4: constant switching of personnel, a top key personnel. And that
• 33:29
  Speaker 4: was one of the big differences between Trump one and
• 33:31
  Speaker 4: Trump two is that he came in with this sort
• 33:34
  Speaker 4: of well considered slate, meaning they had thought long and
• 33:37
  Speaker 4: hard about the strategy of who they were putting where
• 33:40
  Speaker 4: and who could get Senate confirmed and the like. And
• 33:42
  Speaker 4: now a year in, it's starting to feel a little
• 33:46
  Speaker 4: bit much sort of shakier on the palace intrigue front.
• 33:49
  Speaker 4: And that was always seen as like a good A
• 33:51
  Speaker 4: lot of conservatives saw that as like this was Trump
• 33:54
  Speaker 4: two point zero knew and improved.
• 33:58
  Speaker 5: Yeah, and it looks like Tulsi, you know, is gonna
• 34:03
  Speaker 5: just let herself get fired. It's just so embarrassing. You know,
• 34:08
  Speaker 5: her friend Joe Kent went out on top, like he
• 34:11
  Speaker 5: went out with viral post, he did the circuit. And
• 34:17
  Speaker 5: so now they're gunning for Tulsi because they know that
• 34:20
  Speaker 5: she kind of agrees with him, but she doesn't have
• 34:23
  Speaker 5: the stones to just like say it, and I don't what, like,
• 34:27
  Speaker 5: what is she staying for it? It's election to get
• 34:31
  Speaker 5: fired then to quit over principle, but okay whatever. Meanwhile,
• 34:35
  Speaker 5: Trump is asking the Congress for one point five trillion
• 34:40
  Speaker 5: dollars for the Pentagon, which and for ship like a doubling.
• 34:47
  Speaker 5: It's a it's like a doubling of the budget over
• 34:49
  Speaker 5: the last couple of years. It included yeah, forty one warships.
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: When when can't get anywhere near Iran? Well, that's to
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: fix the laundry rooms on all the future ships so
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: they don't catch on firerye. And but but the one
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: way drone attacks, we're still gonna have issues with that.
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: How many drones could you buy with one point five trillion?
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: You could buy? Yes, all the drones, all the truth,
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: all the drones.
• 35:18
  Speaker 5: It's crazy, like these ships are these ships cost billions
• 35:23
  Speaker 5: and they can't even get close to Iran because of
• 35:26
  Speaker 5: these twenty thousand dollars shot had drones And so now
• 35:28
  Speaker 5: we're going to go build a whole bunch more of
• 35:30
  Speaker 5: them inste while cutting spending on healthcare, education, infrastructure like
• 35:40
  Speaker 5: things that the American people need here at home. Like
• 35:44
  Speaker 5: he's he's now consciously and explicitly linking. Like we saw,
• 35:49
  Speaker 5: he's like making campaign ads against himself on a regular basis.
• 35:53
  Speaker 4: Oh my gosh, the social Security thing, or the yeah.
• 35:56
  Speaker 5: We can't do daycare, we can't do all we can't
• 35:59
  Speaker 5: do medicaid, met medicare, we can't do all of these things.
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: We got to do war. Let the states do those,
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: and then you know, they can raise their taxes. States
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: can raise their taxes.
• 36:09
  Speaker 4: I was listening to Zaraba. Mario was on Megan Kelly yesterday.
• 36:13
  Speaker 4: I was listening to it, and he was saying, like,
• 36:16
  Speaker 4: that is this is a great point. He was like,
• 36:18
  Speaker 4: that is the one. One of the hardest red line
• 36:21
  Speaker 4: differences that Trump drew intentionally strategically between himself and the
• 36:25
  Speaker 4: old Republican Party was he said, over and over again,
• 36:28
  Speaker 4: because he understood the GOP base better than the GOP politicians,
• 36:32
  Speaker 4: we are not touching your entitlements. He didn't use the
• 36:37
  Speaker 4: word entitlement, but he said, we are not touching this.
• 36:40
  Speaker 4: And we're not going to do stupid wars. We're gonna
• 36:43
  Speaker 4: new stupid wars. We're gonna focus here at home. And
• 36:45
  Speaker 4: when you combine those two things, the politics of it
• 36:48
  Speaker 4: is like to your point, Ryan about Trump posting on
• 36:52
  Speaker 4: true social while he's clearly been briefed on UH two
• 36:56
  Speaker 4: fighter pilots missing in action in Iran, Like he's always
• 37:01
  Speaker 4: had a screw or twenty loose, but he's there's an
• 37:06
  Speaker 4: ungluing happening right now, the great ungluing right.
• 37:10
  Speaker 5: So Donald Trump is trying to destroy the American Empire,
• 37:14
  Speaker 5: destroy the fossil fuel industry, and destroy the Republican Party,
• 37:18
  Speaker 5: and somehow people are on the left are mad at
• 37:20
  Speaker 5: him about that. That's the part I don't understand, Like
• 37:23
  Speaker 5: this is the greatest revolutionary figure the left has ever
• 37:28
  Speaker 5: kind of put into power.
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: Well, it's almost like the Democrat any lessons, The Democrats
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: won't have to learn a single lesson they're so excited
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: about that.
• 37:37
  Speaker 4: This is this is a vindication of Susan Sarandon who
• 37:40
  Speaker 4: went on Chris Hayes and she said something along the
• 37:43
  Speaker 4: lines is like twenty sixteen of She was being challenged
• 37:48
  Speaker 4: on Bernie stuff at the time by Chris Hayes and
• 37:50
  Speaker 4: he was like, so are you saying that maybe Trump
• 37:54
  Speaker 4: will be better, you know, for like revolutionary purposes, like
• 38:00
  Speaker 4: and I think she said something to the along lines
• 38:02
  Speaker 4: of like heightening the contradictions, like and he said, you
• 38:04
  Speaker 4: mean that like a she said he might bring the
• 38:07
  Speaker 4: revolution faster.
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: That was the quote.
• 38:10
  Speaker 4: He said, goes, do you mean that in like a
• 38:12
  Speaker 4: Leninist way? And she was like yeah, yeah, she's doing it,
• 38:16
  Speaker 4: which it was a huge controversy. They tried to cancel her.
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: Yes, yes, yes, sorry to cut you off, Emily. We
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: do have a guest coming in right now, and just
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: a flag. This is a long Easter weekend, so we
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: probably expect a lot more excursions and events to occur
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: over this long weekend because I believe markets are not
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: open on Monday, if if I'm correct, so expect quite
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: a lot more action today right there, close today, Oh
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: you're right, is because it's good Friday. All right. Well,
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: on that note, we do have a candidate joining us.
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: Why don't we get to her.
• 38:52
  Speaker 5: Well, we're joined now by Fie Phillips' daily candidate for
• 38:56
  Speaker 5: Congress in New York seventeenth district. This is running against
• 38:59
  Speaker 5: Mike Lawler and kind of like that that area like
• 39:02
  Speaker 5: upstate just north of kind of Manhattan, well, sometimes referred
• 39:07
  Speaker 5: to as a little bedroom community for people up there.
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: Effie, thanks so much for joining us here.
• 39:13
  Speaker 6: Thanks so much for having me excited.
• 39:15
  Speaker 5: Beyond, of course, we wanted to start with a little
• 39:20
  Speaker 5: bit of the kind of Hassan mania that is kind
• 39:22
  Speaker 5: of gripping CNN and the Democratic establishment. Although I repeat myself, Griffin,
• 39:30
  Speaker 5: do you have do you have this latest latest clip
• 39:33
  Speaker 5: from Jake Tapper where they they kind of allow their
• 39:39
  Speaker 5: kind of mental illness to be on kind of full
• 39:41
  Speaker 5: display this when it comes to their kind of Hassan
• 39:43
  Speaker 5: de arrangement syndrome.
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: Boy, Yes, apologies, I'm sure you've already gotten enough of
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: these clips, but this is a collab. Also, this is
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: a third way tweet who's been making quite a lot
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: of noise about Hassan specifically that's been there in a
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: time of uh the Iran War, massive economic job loss,
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: They're decided to focus on Hassan Piker. They say, left
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: wing anti semitism is often savvier than the brash, neo
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: Nazi rhetoric of the right. Their attacks are loaded with
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: words taught in social justice seminars and are often less blatant.
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: They replace the word Jew with Zionists while pushing age
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: old tropes about Jewish wealth and influence. Let's take a
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: listen to Jake Tappicker for a second that I talked
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: about the think tank Third Way. They wrote, we're all
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: for a big tent.
• 40:31
  Speaker 5: The Democratic Party needs to drawl line in the Santa
• 40:33
  Speaker 5: San Piper and his fellow Jew Haterlong on the other side.
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: Tonio s. Pelivan asked Piper.
• 40:40
  Speaker 8: People of his able to do is they try to
• 40:43
  Speaker 8: inoculate themselves against claims of Jew hatred by pointing it
• 40:48
  Speaker 8: out in places that aren't them. He's been clear pointing
• 40:51
  Speaker 8: things out on the right of that's anti Semitism. These
• 40:54
  Speaker 8: are the tropes they use, and then he'll use the
• 40:57
  Speaker 8: exact same tropes.
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: And just sub jew for is Realm, which is the
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: place where all Jewics collectively.
• 41:02
  Speaker 9: Have a connection to and is the homeland where more
• 41:05
  Speaker 9: than fifty percent of Jews on planet Earth lived. So
• 41:08
  Speaker 9: it's not you would never see Jews control the media,
• 41:10
  Speaker 9: but Israel controls the media. And you know, the Jews
• 41:15
  Speaker 9: didn't listen to the war with Iran and control the
• 41:17
  Speaker 9: American government, but Israel does.
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 41:19
  Speaker 5: Just so curious for your reaction to this, because if
• 41:24
  Speaker 5: you've been getting criticism as well for doing campaigning with
• 41:28
  Speaker 5: or maybe if you did an interview with Hassan something
• 41:30
  Speaker 5: along those lines. First of all, just as a fact
• 41:34
  Speaker 5: check for viewers, Marco Rubio himself said that it was
• 41:39
  Speaker 5: Israel that initiated the attack on Iran and that we
• 41:41
  Speaker 5: went because Israel had done that. I don't believe Hazan
• 41:46
  Speaker 5: Piker has ever said that Israel controls the American media.
• 41:49
  Speaker 5: That's just completely bar bizarre thing to say. And relatedly,
• 41:55
  Speaker 5: on the day that this segment was aired, the Israel
• 41:58
  Speaker 5: Kaness had passed a death penalty law that would apply
• 42:03
  Speaker 5: only to Palestinians, and his suggestion there is that anybody
• 42:10
  Speaker 5: who criticized that must be smuggling in, you know, quote
• 42:14
  Speaker 5: unquote Jew hatred and couldn't possibly have actual genuine criticism
• 42:19
  Speaker 5: of this law that the Kanessa had just put into place,
• 42:23
  Speaker 5: which I don't believe was covered at all on that program.
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: So Effie, what what what? Why?
• 42:28
  Speaker 5: Why are people coming after you about Hassan Piker, Like,
• 42:31
  Speaker 5: What's what's going on in this race?
• 42:33
  Speaker 4: You know?
• 42:33
  Speaker 6: I think you just describe the frame that we're imperfectly.
• 42:37
  Speaker 7: It's like the the the democratic establishment hasn't learned the
• 42:43
  Speaker 7: lesson of say, the election of Mom Donnie. You know,
• 42:48
  Speaker 7: we saw all that was thrown at him right by
• 42:51
  Speaker 7: by Cuomo and his race, and what that did was further.
• 42:57
  Speaker 6: Alienate all of the young people, all of the.
• 43:00
  Speaker 7: People who had previously felt disenfranchised from politics. And you know,
• 43:09
  Speaker 7: it's like it baffles me that we want to sacrifice,
• 43:16
  Speaker 7: you know, the participation of all of those young people,
• 43:19
  Speaker 7: so many people who mistrust the party and pursue this bizarre.
• 43:26
  Speaker 6: Framing that Third Way is doing it. I'm to be
• 43:29
  Speaker 6: honest with you, I'm at a complete loss.
• 43:33
  Speaker 7: Why we would sabotage our own party in this way
• 43:36
  Speaker 7: and allow this type of violent framing of anti Semitism
• 43:42
  Speaker 7: of people who in many ways are on the right
• 43:45
  Speaker 7: side of history. I mean, we could all speculate here,
• 43:49
  Speaker 7: but to what end For me as a candidate? What
• 43:53
  Speaker 7: I see are thousands and thousands of young people who
• 43:57
  Speaker 7: mistrust the Democratic Party because they do not see the
• 44:02
  Speaker 7: violence that the State of Israel is perpetrating, and that
• 44:07
  Speaker 7: there it is like the Vietnam.
• 44:09
  Speaker 6: Of this generation.
• 44:11
  Speaker 7: And I don't know, I mean, like, I just feel
• 44:15
  Speaker 7: like our party is blowing itself up over this when
• 44:17
  Speaker 7: it could actually be creating a human rights centered and
• 44:22
  Speaker 7: people centered agenda that our nation wants and frankly the
• 44:26
  Speaker 7: world wants.
• 44:28
  Speaker 4: You know. It's so interesting because I think if this
• 44:30
  Speaker 4: in this almost like media historic framing where what Hassan
• 44:36
  Speaker 4: Piker does is sit in front of a computer to
• 44:39
  Speaker 4: the point where it would be impossible for him to
• 44:42
  Speaker 4: lie or be inauthentic about what he's feeling because he
• 44:45
  Speaker 4: has a camera on him, like he's on Big Brother
• 44:47
  Speaker 4: or you know, the real world back in the day
• 44:51
  Speaker 4: at all times. And it's like this is the streaming economy,
• 44:55
  Speaker 4: And I'm just curious as a candidate if you think
• 44:57
  Speaker 4: that's kind of a lot of people see some of
• 45:00
  Speaker 4: this and and actually even Israel policy itself as kind
• 45:03
  Speaker 4: of a proxy for whether you are being honest and
• 45:07
  Speaker 4: like real to paraphrase the real World tagline with voters,
• 45:13
  Speaker 4: like there's just this expectation that you have to be
• 45:16
  Speaker 4: more kind of like I hate the word authentic, but
• 45:19
  Speaker 4: there's something to that like raw almost.
• 45:22
  Speaker 7: I think that, you know, and I'm speaking as a
• 45:24
  Speaker 7: person who is gen X right, Like so this Big
• 45:27
  Speaker 7: Brother sort of world of showing authenticity is entirely new
• 45:33
  Speaker 7: to me, and I can tell you it is entirely
• 45:36
  Speaker 7: new to the Democratic chairs who came after me as
• 45:41
  Speaker 7: on Hazan Piker.
• 45:42
  Speaker 6: I think that they.
• 45:45
  Speaker 7: We joke internally because it's like it's like they hit
• 45:48
  Speaker 7: a horneance ness the size of a house, and they
• 45:49
  Speaker 7: had no idea because they had no idea of of
• 45:53
  Speaker 7: of Hassan Piker. They perceive him to just be a person,
• 45:57
  Speaker 7: not a media outlet. He is both, and that media
• 46:02
  Speaker 7: is taking this form now of this authenticity to the
• 46:07
  Speaker 7: degree where you see all the warts, all the misstatements,
• 46:10
  Speaker 7: all the angry things that people would typically blip out,
• 46:14
  Speaker 7: that people would would screen. And so it's almost like
• 46:18
  Speaker 7: there's a generational difference in the reaction, right So and so,
• 46:25
  Speaker 7: for example, all of the young people on my team
• 46:27
  Speaker 7: and all of the young people who they talked to,
• 46:30
  Speaker 7: they all follow Hassan Piker. They all thought it was
• 46:32
  Speaker 7: extraordinary that I was on Hassan Piker. One of them
• 46:35
  Speaker 7: actually asked if they could come along, and he did
• 46:39
  Speaker 7: because he wanted to meet Hassan Piker versus establishment, which
• 46:45
  Speaker 7: is like, you know, I mean, they literally had no
• 46:48
  Speaker 7: idea that the AI generated complaints that they wrote, which
• 46:53
  Speaker 7: is frankly what it looks like would be viewed and
• 46:57
  Speaker 7: interrogated by millions and millions of people, and maybe this
• 47:01
  Speaker 7: is part of the problem that they don't see the
• 47:05
  Speaker 7: opportunity to speak to the very people. At every indivisible protest,
• 47:12
  Speaker 7: I go to where they say, where are the young people?
• 47:14
  Speaker 7: Where are the young people? Well, I'll tell you where
• 47:16
  Speaker 7: they are. They're on Hassan Piker. That's why I went
• 47:18
  Speaker 7: on the That's why I went on the stream.
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: There.
• 47:22
  Speaker 5: Since then there's been this kind of weird, contradictory, bifurcated response.
• 47:27
  Speaker 5: So David From I think it was David From said
• 47:30
  Speaker 5: he asked an AI agent to tell him and his audience,
• 47:37
  Speaker 5: and that the AI agent told him that Piker has
• 47:40
  Speaker 5: twenty thousand to thirty thousand concurrent viewers, you know, he
• 47:43
  Speaker 5: streams for eight to twelve hours a day. And then
• 47:47
  Speaker 5: David From looked up the number of viewers that like,
• 47:49
  Speaker 5: you know, MSNBC has in primetime or something, and I
• 47:53
  Speaker 5: think was very confused about the way that viewership stats
• 47:56
  Speaker 5: are analyzed and understood, and so was his AI. He
• 48:01
  Speaker 5: posted something and then that became like a thing that well,
• 48:05
  Speaker 5: actually a saw and Piker doesn't have an audience. It's
• 48:08
  Speaker 5: just a it's just a tiny, little rounding error. So
• 48:13
  Speaker 5: you're then left with the question, well, then why is
• 48:15
  Speaker 5: there why are you freaking out right? Why is this
• 48:18
  Speaker 5: multimillion dollar Schumer connected, you know, think tank doing op
• 48:22
  Speaker 5: eds and an entire campaign around a guy who that
• 48:25
  Speaker 5: nobody watches. But I'm curious from your perspective, what was
• 48:30
  Speaker 5: the fallout? Not the fallout? What was the kind of
• 48:34
  Speaker 5: reaction to you going on? How did how did it
• 48:36
  Speaker 5: affect your campaign or not affect your campaign?
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: Is if it did?
• 48:38
  Speaker 5: If if it's true that nobody actually watches his program,
• 48:42
  Speaker 5: then well, first of all you wouldn't be here and
• 48:45
  Speaker 5: we wouldn't be talking about it, so well then it
• 48:49
  Speaker 5: would be no effect.
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: What what was the effect there were?
• 48:52
  Speaker 6: The effect was was there were two sides of it.
• 48:55
  Speaker 7: The first was the immediate, in frantic, i think, surprising
• 48:59
  Speaker 7: response by the chairs of the Democratic committees of New
• 49:03
  Speaker 7: York seventeen district. It was within an hour that this
• 49:07
  Speaker 7: response that they put out was generated. And I will
• 49:11
  Speaker 7: say that the very first thing they quoted as evidence
• 49:16
  Speaker 7: against Hassan Piker was Fox News And that just blew
• 49:20
  Speaker 7: my mind because to complain about, you know, all the
• 49:25
  Speaker 7: things that people are saying about Hassan Piker in this
• 49:28
  Speaker 7: moment from a news organization that you know, you know,
• 49:32
  Speaker 7: like has advanced some of the most hateful rhetoric about immigrants,
• 49:37
  Speaker 7: about Hispanics, about Muslims, about Jews without any way of
• 49:42
  Speaker 7: you know, without looking at that critically in relation to
• 49:45
  Speaker 7: what they were saying to me, which is to say
• 49:48
  Speaker 7: that they were flamed. They were flamed, like ratioed is
• 49:53
  Speaker 7: the word that me as Jenks, just learned. And I
• 49:58
  Speaker 7: don't know that they actually expected that. I don't know
• 50:01
  Speaker 7: that they expected so many people to see their statement
• 50:06
  Speaker 7: as evidence of bias within the Democratic Party, as evidence
• 50:12
  Speaker 7: of the kind of attacks that we're seeing right now
• 50:14
  Speaker 7: from third wave and that further disenfranchises people.
• 50:18
  Speaker 6: So the effect has.
• 50:20
  Speaker 7: Been thousands of new followers, so many comments, a major
• 50:27
  Speaker 7: uptick and contributions, and people saying to me what they
• 50:32
  Speaker 7: often say to me because I've been very transparent about
• 50:35
  Speaker 7: my position on Israel and Palestine, like keep going, like
• 50:40
  Speaker 7: don't stop, like you are saying the things that people
• 50:43
  Speaker 7: want to hear.
• 50:44
  Speaker 6: And what I hope in the end, because I'm a.
• 50:48
  Speaker 7: Democrat, I'm a progressive Democrat, is that the party learns
• 50:52
  Speaker 7: the lesson right that our job is to listen to
• 50:57
  Speaker 7: the public. Listen to the public, hear what they're saying,
• 51:01
  Speaker 7: represent the positions through a moral lens. And when I
• 51:05
  Speaker 7: say a moral lens, that means we have to fight
• 51:08
  Speaker 7: anti Semitism, which is on the rise, we have to
• 51:11
  Speaker 7: fight Islamophobia which is on the rise. My goodness that
• 51:16
  Speaker 7: when you think about the kind of violence that's happening
• 51:19
  Speaker 7: in our country, with eyes to kinds of discrimination that
• 51:21
  Speaker 7: bias all these things like these are the things that
• 51:24
  Speaker 7: we have to fight. And frankly, when people reach out
• 51:27
  Speaker 7: to me and they say, keep going, this is what
• 51:29
  Speaker 7: they're saying, and the party hear it, they seem to
• 51:33
  Speaker 7: be very far from it at this point right now, though,
• 51:35
  Speaker 7: which is very baffling.
• 51:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And it seems like the big thing from the
• 51:40
  Speaker 1: twenty twenty four election was that the modicum was we
• 51:44
  Speaker 1: need a bigger tent for the Democratic Party, we need
• 51:47
  Speaker 1: to bring in young people, or what have you. And
• 51:49
  Speaker 1: I just wanted to pull up this article from The
• 51:52
  Speaker 1: Bulwark where they interviewed Jonathan Cowen, who's the founder of
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: Third Way, and he says, if people are really arguing
• 52:00
  Speaker 1: that the price of winning is becoming like a bigoted,
• 52:02
  Speaker 1: misogynist like a son Piker. Then I'll take not winning.
• 52:07
  Speaker 1: So it seems the third way position is actually to
• 52:10
  Speaker 1: lose with Grace. Now, what do you make of that?
• 52:16
  Speaker 1: It seems like they're upset about Israel, but he says
• 52:21
  Speaker 1: misogynist there as well. Is there other reasons that they
• 52:26
  Speaker 1: could potentially be trying to sequester or demean Hassan because
• 52:32
  Speaker 1: Hassan has been going around and I think he's spoken to,
• 52:36
  Speaker 1: interviewed about twenty different Democratic candidates across the country, and
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: some people accuse him of being a purity test, litmus test,
• 52:46
  Speaker 1: wants to wreck the Democratic Party, doesn't want it to win.
• 52:50
  Speaker 1: Yet we see him on the road with candidates all
• 52:53
  Speaker 1: over the country. What do you make of this big
• 52:55
  Speaker 1: tent strategy, You.
• 52:58
  Speaker 6: Know, it's a great question.
• 53:01
  Speaker 7: What I think is and I believe firmly, is that
• 53:06
  Speaker 7: Hassan Piker speaks for and the young people who have
• 53:11
  Speaker 7: been disenfranchised right and in a way, what we're seeing
• 53:14
  Speaker 7: between Midway and they're framing, which I think is awful,
• 53:20
  Speaker 7: and Hassan Piker, you know, and the people who follow him,
• 53:24
  Speaker 7: is like a battle for the soul of the Democratic Party.
• 53:29
  Speaker 7: In the way that I see that the fight between
• 53:31
  Speaker 7: Cuomo and Mamdani in New York City was a battle
• 53:35
  Speaker 7: sort of for the soul of the Democratic Party. What
• 53:38
  Speaker 7: young people want is on authenticity. They want people to
• 53:42
  Speaker 7: recognize that our tax dollars are going to fund military
• 53:47
  Speaker 7: aid for the very nation that created this horrendous death
• 53:52
  Speaker 7: penalty in an apartheid form, like there is no escaping that.
• 53:57
  Speaker 7: And frankly, a lot of people who I speak to
• 54:00
  Speaker 7: or question me. I get emails every day questioning me
• 54:03
  Speaker 7: saying I agree with you on the Palestine issue, but
• 54:10
  Speaker 7: why Hassan Piker right? And they in that respect, they
• 54:13
  Speaker 7: agree with Hassan Piker on the Palestine issue. And what
• 54:17
  Speaker 7: I you know, I'm furious about with the Democratic Party
• 54:21
  Speaker 7: is that we actually have a capacity to build consensus
• 54:24
  Speaker 7: around this, and yet the framing that Third Way puts
• 54:27
  Speaker 7: out and focusing on misogyny, the way Cuomo's team focused
• 54:33
  Speaker 7: on anti semitism when dealing with Mom Danni.
• 54:38
  Speaker 6: Is completely blowing up our party to what ends?
• 54:43
  Speaker 4: You know?
• 54:44
  Speaker 7: That's the answer that I don't. I can speculate, but
• 54:46
  Speaker 7: I don't yet have. But we're doing it again. We're
• 54:50
  Speaker 7: handing it over to the Republicans, and it is completely
• 54:54
  Speaker 7: it is completely appalling and it is outrageous. But what
• 54:58
  Speaker 7: I'm hopeful for is that young people, people under forty
• 55:03
  Speaker 7: four is really what I say, and people see through it,
• 55:06
  Speaker 7: and they're going to come out and they're going to vote.
• 55:08
  Speaker 7: They're going to vote their conscience. And so we'll see
• 55:11
  Speaker 7: in New York seventeen is supposedly a purple district. I've
• 55:14
  Speaker 7: taken a very what I hope that people perceive to
• 55:18
  Speaker 7: be an authentic and progressive human rights focused platform, and
• 55:23
  Speaker 7: we're going to test it here too. You know, I'm
• 55:26
  Speaker 7: making it on the ballot where you know, we're going
• 55:28
  Speaker 7: to we're going to take it to the primary.
• 55:30
  Speaker 6: We're going to debate with the other candidates.
• 55:33
  Speaker 7: Who take no position at all on this and are
• 55:38
  Speaker 7: very quiet about a lot of things like ice, like
• 55:42
  Speaker 7: what our tax systems should be, how to make it
• 55:44
  Speaker 7: more fair by taxing the ultra wealthy, all of these things.
• 55:47
  Speaker 6: So you know, yeah, why they Yeah, what can I say?
• 55:53
  Speaker 6: It's free?
• 55:53
  Speaker 1: There's almost been a louder Yeah, there's been a louder
• 55:57
  Speaker 1: retribution against the song from Democrats than the Iran War.
• 56:01
  Speaker 1: People are are being louder about a streamer than this
• 56:05
  Speaker 1: disastrous war that's putting our global economy into peril. Any
• 56:09
  Speaker 1: final questions, Ryan and Emily, all right, I think you're muted.
• 56:14
  Speaker 5: Ryana, No, anything that doesn't for me. You really appreciate you, Uh,
• 56:21
  Speaker 5: joining that must have been an interesting ride. Imagine that
• 56:26
  Speaker 5: you didn't quite expect, You didn't quite know what you
• 56:28
  Speaker 5: were getting into, or at least you wouldn't have before.
• 56:32
  Speaker 5: I wouldn't have felt as a fellow gen xer. We
• 56:34
  Speaker 5: don't know what twitters. It's just a fact.
• 56:38
  Speaker 7: I'm trying to keep up because gen X you know,
• 56:40
  Speaker 7: we think we're the coolest in the room.
• 56:42
  Speaker 1: But no, no we're not, and not for a long time.
• 56:48
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, thank you for all you do in
• 56:51
  Speaker 6: your time.
• 56:52
  Speaker 4: You know.
• 56:52
  Speaker 7: It's I did expect this to a degree, you know,
• 56:57
  Speaker 7: because I've seen the way the Left is starting to
• 57:00
  Speaker 7: be framed in this way as advancing an antiput.
• 57:05
  Speaker 6: But I want to say this I think is really important.
• 57:08
  Speaker 7: When I was in Israel, what I learned was that
• 57:15
  Speaker 7: so many people, so many Israelis this was my time
• 57:19
  Speaker 7: in Israel and the occupied West Bank, are fighting so
• 57:23
  Speaker 7: hard for justice because they recognize that their own government
• 57:27
  Speaker 7: is becoming what they describe in their words as a
• 57:29
  Speaker 7: fascist government, and the government that can do the most
• 57:32
  Speaker 7: horrendous things like this, like this death penalty that's within
• 57:38
  Speaker 7: an apartheid frame. I mean, that is staggering, and Israelis
• 57:43
  Speaker 7: are fighting hard against this in partnership with Palestinians. And
• 57:49
  Speaker 7: to me, that gives me an immense amount of hope.
• 57:52
  Speaker 7: Because it's as dark and awful as the trajectory of
• 57:55
  Speaker 7: this nation, there are lots of people out there who
• 57:58
  Speaker 7: understand that the key is that we have to stop
• 58:01
  Speaker 7: attacking each other. We have to come together around our
• 58:05
  Speaker 7: shared values, which is people deserve justice and they deserve
• 58:11
  Speaker 7: the opportunity to thrive and through all of this, and
• 58:16
  Speaker 7: in despite of some of the very awful things so
• 58:19
  Speaker 7: San Piker has said in the past, in my meeting
• 58:22
  Speaker 7: with him, I believe that that is what he wants,
• 58:24
  Speaker 7: and I think that his millions of followers believe.
• 58:27
  Speaker 6: That that is what he wants, and that is the
• 58:29
  Speaker 6: direction that our nation needs to be going in.
• 58:32
  Speaker 7: Not the further splitting, accusations, attacks and own goals as
• 58:37
  Speaker 7: I see that we see coming from Midway and this
• 58:42
  Speaker 7: and this appalling campaign that they're putting forward.
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  Speaker 6: It's staggeringly destructive. So thank you.
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  Speaker 1: Third Way, I believe. I don't know if Midway is
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  Speaker 1: catching strays there. If that's is it the same thing
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  Speaker 1: Ryan the third Way?
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  Speaker 6: I meant to say, right.
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  Speaker 1: For everyone's happening in the way, maybe yeah, mid Okay, Effie,
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  Speaker 1: you mentioned Zora, And can you give us a quick,
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  Speaker 1: just quick bullet point list of some proposals or policies
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  Speaker 1: you want to bring to your district and where can
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  Speaker 1: people find and support your campaign if they so choose.
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  Speaker 6: So yeah, thank you so much.
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  Speaker 7: Like so, the most critical things I think in New
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  Speaker 7: York seventeen are housing. So housing affordability, like increasing the
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  Speaker 7: number of housing in the district by sixty six thousand.
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  Speaker 6: At least is critical. Medicare for all.
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  Speaker 7: We have to just get this done, like too many
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  Speaker 7: people are suffering, and in a nation as wealthy as ours,
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  Speaker 7: we can do it. Universal childcare. The state of Arizona
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  Speaker 7: has already done it. These are critical things to the
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  Speaker 7: people of.
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  Speaker 6: New York seventeen. Of course, just immigration reform.
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  Speaker 7: We have to stop giving governments like our current one
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  Speaker 7: and opportunity to weaponize immigrants for their political gain. We
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  Speaker 7: need a clear, fair immigration system, and my goodness, it
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  Speaker 7: just keeps going on. And this is the of course,
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  Speaker 7: the one that I hear about the most. Justice at
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  Speaker 7: home and justice abroad. Right, we have to take care
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  Speaker 7: of the problem with us. We have to take care
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  Speaker 7: of human rights within our nation, and we cannot fund
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  Speaker 7: nations that violate human rights, particularly against our own laws
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  Speaker 7: and against international laws.
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  Speaker 6: That absolutely has to stop.
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  Speaker 1: All right, people find you.
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  Speaker 7: You can find me at fyfour Congress dot com, e
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  Speaker 7: f f I, e f O R congress dot com
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  Speaker 7: and on Instagram, all the places.
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  Speaker 1: That'll do it for this half. We'll do some fun stories,
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  Speaker 1: a quick little AMA in the second half and if
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  Speaker 1: you want to get access to that Breakingpoints dot Com
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  Speaker 1: and we'll see there.