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Madam President, or, Frau Präsidentin · Q & A, Hosted by Jay Nordlinger

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  SPEAKER_00: Hello, everyone, and welcome to Q&A.
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  I'm Jay Nordlinger,
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  coming to you again from the Salzburg Festival in Austria.
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  SPEAKER_00: You may have seen The Sound of Music.
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  SPEAKER_00: That's the place.
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  Last month,
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  I was in London,
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  where I attended the opening night of the BBC Proms.
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  The Proms bills itself as,
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  quote,
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  the world's greatest classical music festival.
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  SPEAKER_00: Salzburg may disagree.
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  Our guest today is the president of the Salzburg Festival,
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  Christina Hammer.
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  SPEAKER_00: I have said her name in an English way or an American way,
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  SPEAKER_00: Christina Hammer,
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  SPEAKER_00: Christina Hammer,
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  SPEAKER_00: as you wish,
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  SPEAKER_00: I suppose.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I'll just say,
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  SPEAKER_00: Christina,
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  SPEAKER_00: Christina,
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  SPEAKER_00: thank you so much for joining me and welcome to the show.
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  SPEAKER_01: Thank you so much.
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  SPEAKER_01: I'm delighted to be here with you.
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  Well,
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  we don't mean any disrespect to the BBC proms,
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  but there's no festival greater than
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  SPEAKER_00: than the Salzburg Festival, I'm sure you would agree.
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  SPEAKER_01: Thank you very much for saying this.
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  SPEAKER_01: I do prefer if our audience says it and not ourselves.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yes, of course.
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  SPEAKER_00: Well,
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  SPEAKER_00: the festival,
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  SPEAKER_00: correct me if I'm wrong,
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  SPEAKER_00: this festival runs for six weeks approximately,
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  SPEAKER_00: the final two weeks in July and all of August.
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  SPEAKER_01: That's true.
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  SPEAKER_01: 46 days in a row, 255,000 visitors last year from 79 nations.
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  SPEAKER_01: And we do play at 16 different venues throughout the city of Salzburg.
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  SPEAKER_00: And you are working 18-hour days, I think.
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  We used to say that James Brown,
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  his billing was the hardest working man in show business.
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  And you are one of the hardest working women in show business,
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  I would say,
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  right now.
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  SPEAKER_01: You know, for me, this is not work.
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  SPEAKER_01: For me, this is one of the things I always dreamed of.
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  SPEAKER_01: So I do not count hours.
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  SPEAKER_00: Wonderful, wonderful.
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  SPEAKER_00: Well,
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  SPEAKER_00: speaking of dreaming,
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  SPEAKER_00: when you were a girl growing up in Germany,
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  SPEAKER_00: I believe,
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  SPEAKER_00: did you have a goal,
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  SPEAKER_00: an aspiration,
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  SPEAKER_00: ballerina,
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  SPEAKER_00: tennis player?
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  SPEAKER_00: What did you imagine yourself doing when growing up?
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  SPEAKER_01: That's a lovely question.
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  But I honestly cannot answer it because it actually changed by
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  the,
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  I think,
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  by the week.
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  And there was also astronaut somewhere in it and also something
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  like doctor,
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  what would have been fatal because I think I'm fainting if I
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  see too much blood.
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  SPEAKER_01: Except of theater blood, that's okay for me.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: What is your hometown, Christina?
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  SPEAKER_00: Where did you grow up?
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  SPEAKER_01: I am born in a small town, which is near Karlsruhe.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I grew up in the Black Forest.
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  SPEAKER_00: Really?
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  SPEAKER_00: Was it beautiful?
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  SPEAKER_00: Oh, Baden-Baden, a famous spa, right?
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  SPEAKER_01: A famous spa and a famous casino and a famous festival hall.
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  SPEAKER_00: That's right.
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  SPEAKER_00: So you had music around you from the first.
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  I had music around me since I'm a baby because I have a very
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  close relationship to
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  SPEAKER_01: my beloved grandmother.
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  SPEAKER_01: And when I visited her, I slept in the same room than the grand piano.
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  And she played every night when I was there for me Bach or
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  Schubert so that I could
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  SPEAKER_01: fall asleep with the most beautiful music one can imagine.
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  SPEAKER_00: That sounds ideal.
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  SPEAKER_00: We owe a lot to that grandmother and all of our grandmothers, really.
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  SPEAKER_01: Did you go to high school in Baden-Baden?
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  SPEAKER_01: Yes, I did.
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  SPEAKER_01: And actually, it was also my grandmother who brought me to Salzburg.
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  SPEAKER_01: And it was at the, I think, at the age somehow around five or six.
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  And she actually sent me to the puppet theater to see the magic
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  flute while she was
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  SPEAKER_01: going to attend the festival.
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  SPEAKER_01: And after five years seeing...
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  SPEAKER_01: the Magic Flute in a row.
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  SPEAKER_01: I actually said to her, could we somehow elaborate this program?
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  SPEAKER_01: And she said yes, and took me to one of the patron rehearsals.
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  SPEAKER_01: And that's where I saw Herbert von Karajan for the first time.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I was able to listen to him.
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  SPEAKER_01: And the Vienna Philharmonics changed my life.
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  SPEAKER_00: Really?
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  SPEAKER_00: Because the music had such a great impact on you?
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  SPEAKER_01: It was magic.
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  SPEAKER_01: I'm sure that I couldn't understand the exquisitely to the fullest,
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  SPEAKER_01: but I felt the strength and the beauty of it.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I think that was the initial flame
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  SPEAKER_01: which then went on.
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  SPEAKER_01: And to make the story even more fun,
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  SPEAKER_01: some years later,
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  my parents decided that they take me to the first time to the
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  opera in Salzburg to
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  SPEAKER_01: the Grand Festival Hall.
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  And they decided on Carmen with Jose Carreras and Agnes Balza,
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  conducted by Herbert von Karajan.
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  And I cried the entire way back to the hotel because I was so
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  emotional about this opera I saw.
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  And my father just said wryly to my mother,
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  I believe we always need now three tickets.
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  SPEAKER_00: Wonderful.
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  SPEAKER_00: You had graduated from the puppets and marionettes.
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  SPEAKER_00: You had graduated.
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  SPEAKER_00: Jose Carreras made quite an impression, didn't he?
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  SPEAKER_00: He looked like a movie star for one thing.
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  SPEAKER_01: Oh, he did.
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  And I can tell you the expression and the power of Agnes Balzer
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  and her presence on
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  SPEAKER_01: the stage was,
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  SPEAKER_01: I mean,
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  SPEAKER_01: magnificent.
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  SPEAKER_01: They were both a dream couple in this opera.
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  Did you,
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  when you were a kid,
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  did you study an instrument or sing or both?
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  SPEAKER_01: Yes, I studied the piano and you don't want to hear that, honestly.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I loved singing and I sang in a Haydn choir for many,
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  SPEAKER_01: many years and to my entire school career until university.
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  SPEAKER_00: Wonderful.
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  SPEAKER_00: Where did you go to university?
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  SPEAKER_01: I went to university in Mainz.
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  SPEAKER_01: I studied law and economics and I then did my bar exam also nearby.
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  But I also worked for a short time at the European Court of
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  Justice in Luxembourg
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  SPEAKER_01: and therefore decided to write my dissertation.
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  SPEAKER_01: and my PhD in European Economic Law.
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  SPEAKER_01: And that brought me to Vienna.
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  And to Vienna with the state opera there and the Burgtheater
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  and all the incredible
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  SPEAKER_01: possibilities of culture what Austria has to offer.
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  SPEAKER_00: So your doctorate is from the University of Vienna.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yes,
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  I usually don't say this because I was twice asked on a plane
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  on the way back from
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  SPEAKER_01: New York to help someone because they thought doctor is...
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  SPEAKER_01: Oh,
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  SPEAKER_00: right,
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  SPEAKER_00: right.
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  SPEAKER_00: What was it like arriving in Vienna from Germany?
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  SPEAKER_00: First of all, is their spoken German different language?
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  Yes,
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  I mean,
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  I lived in Austria,
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  I lived in Switzerland,
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  by the way,
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  15 years.
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  And if anybody believes that this is all the same German,
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  it's far away from each other.
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  SPEAKER_01: And not only within the countries, also within the counties.
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  SPEAKER_01: So very, very different forms.
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  And the most respect you can show is to not pretend you are
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  able to speak it
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  SPEAKER_01: exactly the way they do,
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  SPEAKER_01: but to be completely aware of what expression is.
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  SPEAKER_01: means what, and that you that you respect the culture.
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  And I believe it's how you arrive somewhere with which
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  intentions and with which
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  SPEAKER_01: attitude,
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  SPEAKER_01: what gives the echo you are receiving.
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  So law and economics was your field is generally the
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  relationship between law and economics.
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  SPEAKER_01: The relationship between law and economics, that's a fantastic question.
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  SPEAKER_01: Nobody ever asked me this, but I believe that law gives you structure.
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  It gives an immediate understanding of where the core of
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  something sits and which
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  SPEAKER_01: kind of questions you have to ask.
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  While economics gives you an understanding of the overall
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  economic and financial situation of a
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  SPEAKER_01: of a company you are working for.
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  SPEAKER_00: Now,
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  SPEAKER_00: if I remember from your bio correctly,
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  SPEAKER_00: you worked in Austria for a while in some area of commerce.
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  SPEAKER_00: What was that?
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  SPEAKER_01: That's very interesting because I changed the field.
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  SPEAKER_01: I mean, as a lawyer, you can imagine, and a lot of lawyers in my family
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  They were all expecting me to become as next step a partner in
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  a law firm.
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  SPEAKER_01: But I rather like to cause situations than to solve them afterwards.
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  SPEAKER_01: So I applied for
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  position as the right hand of the ceo in a large department
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  store chain which
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  needed a turnaround and what they wanted to achieve is to be
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  modern and they wanted
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  to build a real fashion department store how you know them like
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  bergdorf and
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  SPEAKER_01: goodman's and and all the wonderful ones macy's
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  SPEAKER_01: and so on, you know, in the United States or in other countries.
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  And yeah,
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  that was quite fascinating because I visited all these
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  countries.
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  SPEAKER_01: I have a long relationship with the U.S.
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  SPEAKER_01: because I have many relatives from our family who live there.
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  SPEAKER_01: So I could bring some of my international thoughts to it.
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  SPEAKER_00: You must have learned a lot in that period with these stores.
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  A lot about business,
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  a lot about money,
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  and a lot about human beings,
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  I'm sure.
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  That was probably the biggest learning curve I ever had in my
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  life because it was a
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  SPEAKER_01: turnaround situation.
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  SPEAKER_01: We had to deal with many,
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  many employees who were worried that they would lose their jobs
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  if the thing goes
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  SPEAKER_01: wrong.
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  We also had a situation where we had to convince people who
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  were there for perhaps 20 years
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  SPEAKER_01: that they should do things differently.
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  SPEAKER_01: And we had a lot of competition in Europe,
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  SPEAKER_01: which were so much larger than us,
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  SPEAKER_01: so that we had a very,
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  SPEAKER_01: very difficult margin and a situation and I learned a lot.
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  SPEAKER_00: And if I remember correctly,
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  There comes a time when you go to England or Great Britain and
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  you're working in
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  SPEAKER_00: the auto industry.
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  That's something that I grew up around because I'm from
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  southeastern Michigan.
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  SPEAKER_00: I'm from Ann Arbor, Michigan.
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  SPEAKER_00: And those were the days of the big three.
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  SPEAKER_00: I'm not sure they're the big three any longer, maybe the shrinking three.
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  But I grew up in maybe the last period of this automotive power
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  in Detroit.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's very interesting.
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  I worked many,
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  many years for Ford Motor Company and I was hired by someone
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  who was the former
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  number two at bmw and he created within ford the so-called
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  premier automotive group
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  with s martin jaguar land rover volvo and lincoln and he that's
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  a lot of brands yes
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  and very different they were all owned by ford and um he
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  requested me to work for
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  SPEAKER_01: him because he said
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  car dealers look like garages with a roof and you come from a
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  fashion department
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  SPEAKER_01: store,
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  you know how to show brands in the utmost elegant way and also
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  so that they can sit
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  next to each other and the difference of them is visible to the
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  ones who are coming
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  SPEAKER_01: in and wanting to purchase and
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  SPEAKER_01: And that's something I want you to bring into the automotive industry.
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  SPEAKER_01: So that was my beginning.
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  SPEAKER_00: A touch of elegance.
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  SPEAKER_00: Did it work?
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  SPEAKER_01: It did work.
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  SPEAKER_01: I've had the honor to work.
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  SPEAKER_01: for Aston Martin,
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  SPEAKER_01: for Jaguar and for Land Rover,
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  SPEAKER_01: very,
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  SPEAKER_01: very closely on their brand visualization,
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  SPEAKER_01: what we call everything where you can see and feel the brand,
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  SPEAKER_01: including dealerships.
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  SPEAKER_01: Also a tiny bit with Volvo.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I had a fantastic time until the moment where I was headhunted by
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  SPEAKER_01: to Mercedes-Benz and left it.
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  But also I had the honor to bring S.
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  Martin back into the James Bond movies.
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  SPEAKER_00: How did that come about?
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  That was a strong wish of my former...
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  I'll give you a second to take a drink.
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  SPEAKER_00: You and I will both take a drink.
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  SPEAKER_00: Let's have it.
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  SPEAKER_00: We deserve a drink, you especially.
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  SPEAKER_00: Thank you.
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  As I'm trying to think of the Bond movie,
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  I remember a BMW,
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  a famous...
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  That's absolutely true.
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  SPEAKER_01: And this is why my boss,
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  SPEAKER_01: who was responsible to bring BMW into the Bond movies,
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  SPEAKER_01: and who negotiated that deal,
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  that he asked me to help him in negotiating the deal now for
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  Aston Martin.
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  SPEAKER_01: And the rest is...
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  SPEAKER_01: history.
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  SPEAKER_01: What was the movie?
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  SPEAKER_01: Do you recall?
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  SPEAKER_01: Oh, yes.
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  SPEAKER_01: I recall many.
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  SPEAKER_01: It was many movies.
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  SPEAKER_01: It was first.
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  SPEAKER_01: And it's until today.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's part of the movie.
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  SPEAKER_01: But in my time, it was Pierce Brosnan.
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  SPEAKER_00: Oh, I loved Pierce Brosnan as Bond.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: I wish he'd been in more Bond movies, in fact.
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  SPEAKER_00: Well,
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  Christina Hammer,
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  here is a personal question,
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  maybe the most personal I will ask.
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  SPEAKER_00: What do you drive?
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  SPEAKER_00: What do you like to drive?
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  I like to drive my bicycle in Salzburg because Salzburg is a
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  bicycle town.
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  SPEAKER_01: You can drive bicycles along the river Salzach, which is wonderful.
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  A car is a nuisance,
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  honestly,
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  because I walk to the festival halls,
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  what is fantastic.
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  SPEAKER_01: I could never do this in my life.
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  SPEAKER_01: So that's wonderful.
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  SPEAKER_00: Do you have...
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  do you have a favorite car you have ever owned yes um i still i
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  i don't know if it
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  is the the favorite car of all times but it's my favorite car
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  of the moment i drive
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  a mini convertible nice and that works very well with small
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  streets in salzburg
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  I know that Switzerland came into your life,
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  and you told me that you gained Swiss citizenship.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I wonder how many languages do you have to speak for that?
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  SPEAKER_00: All of them?
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  SPEAKER_01: it's not the question how many languages do you speak,
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  SPEAKER_01: it's the question how much do you know about Switzerland.
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  SPEAKER_01: There is a very long test you have to do.
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  SPEAKER_01: They look very, very closely about how you lived in Switzerland before.
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  So if you have,
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  you know,
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  done anything illegal,
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  if you have always,
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  you know,
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  SPEAKER_01: been a good citizen,
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  SPEAKER_01: what is very important for them,
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  SPEAKER_01: what I think is fabulous and your knowledge about politics,
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  SPEAKER_01: about geography,
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  SPEAKER_01: about the Swiss system up to questions like if you
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  SPEAKER_01: If you receive your wages, what is all noted on the wage paper?
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  SPEAKER_01: I don't know what the exact English expression for this.
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  SPEAKER_01: I can't think of it either.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: Can you understand Swiss German?
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  SPEAKER_01: Oh, yes, I do.
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  SPEAKER_01: I understand it very well.
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  But I have to put one restriction if there are certain places
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  in the valleys where
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  SPEAKER_01: I'm not so really sure if I would understand everything.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's such a wonderful and to me exotic place.
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  SPEAKER_00: It doesn't seem quite modern.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I mean that in a complimentary way, actually.
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  SPEAKER_00: Those cantons.
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  Of course,
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  I grew up with Americans of my age grew up with a movie called
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  Heidi.
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  SPEAKER_00: And for us, that was Switzerland.
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  SPEAKER_00: Well, I'm getting out of Salzburg where we're sitting.
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  SPEAKER_00: You are the president.
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  SPEAKER_00: And what's the job like?
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  SPEAKER_00: Are you responsible for for everything?
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  You know,
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  the famous American expression popularized by President Truman,
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  the buck stops here.
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  SPEAKER_00: He had a sign on his desk.
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  SPEAKER_00: Are you where the buck stops?
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  I would say everybody who thinks that they are only important
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  are wrong in their position.
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  SPEAKER_01: I have the honor to work with probably the most fantastic team I've
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  SPEAKER_01: and diverse team in their abilities I've ever had in my life.
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  SPEAKER_01: And on the board, we are three.
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  SPEAKER_01: There is an artistic director,
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  SPEAKER_01: Markus Hinterhäuser,
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  SPEAKER_01: who is in charge of the wonderful artistic program
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  you have just listened to in the past weeks and will hopefully
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  in the next weeks.
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  SPEAKER_01: We have a CFO,
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  SPEAKER_01: which is Lukas Kreperc,
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  SPEAKER_01: who is a CFO in charge of the number crunching,
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  SPEAKER_01: but also looking after our great project,
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  SPEAKER_01: which is
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  SPEAKER_01: the Festspielbezirk 2030,
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  where we look after the renovation of our festival halls in the
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  next few years and
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  SPEAKER_01: the extension of the workmen,
• 20:17
  SPEAKER_01: of the,
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  SPEAKER_01: how do you call it,
• 20:23
  SPEAKER_01: workmanships,
• 20:24
  SPEAKER_01: where,
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  SPEAKER_01: for example,
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  SPEAKER_01: the painters and the
• 20:28
  SPEAKER_01: and the sewers and so on.
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  SPEAKER_01: Sure.
• 20:30
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 20:31
  SPEAKER_01: So, yeah, that's what he looks after.
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  SPEAKER_01: And me as a president,
• 20:35
  SPEAKER_01: I'm kind of the,
• 20:38
  SPEAKER_01: um,
• 20:39
  SPEAKER_01: person who is the,
• 20:42
  SPEAKER_01: um,
• 20:43
  SPEAKER_01: minister of external duties and,
• 20:46
  SPEAKER_01: and in,
• 20:48
  SPEAKER_01: um,
• 20:48
  SPEAKER_01: in,
• 20:49
  SPEAKER_01: in management,
• 20:50
  SPEAKER_01: uh,
• 20:51
  SPEAKER_01: In management description, I'm in charge of marketing.
• 20:56
  SPEAKER_01: I'm in charge of sales.
• 20:57
  SPEAKER_01: I'm in charge of sponsoring of public relation.
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  SPEAKER_01: Pardon me.
• 21:03
  SPEAKER_01: This is what my official duties are.
• 21:07
  But much more than that,
• 21:10
  I have to have the sense of what is happening in the big
• 21:15
  picture.
• 21:16
  SPEAKER_01: So how do you react to things like COVID?
• 21:21
  How do you react when everybody is with their heads in the
• 21:27
  horror of this awful
• 21:29
  SPEAKER_01: crisis and wars we have around us?
• 21:32
  SPEAKER_01: How do you work with...
• 21:38
  existential economic crisis and what do we do as a festival
• 21:45
  against what is
• 21:46
  SPEAKER_01: happening climatically to our world and so on.
• 21:49
  SPEAKER_01: So the big themes,
• 21:52
  SPEAKER_01: how do we take them,
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  how do we go as a festival in the next century that I see
• 21:58
  together with my
• 21:59
  SPEAKER_01: colleagues and teams as the great questions for the future.
• 22:06
  SPEAKER_00: And the people are still coming.
• 22:07
  SPEAKER_00: They're coming from all over.
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  SPEAKER_00: They're coming from East Asia.
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  SPEAKER_00: Are the Americans still coming?
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  SPEAKER_01: First of all, I'm very proud.
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  SPEAKER_01: I'm now president in my fourth year.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I can say that the last three years went really fantastic.
• 22:24
  SPEAKER_01: 98.2%.
• 22:27
  SPEAKER_00: Selling occupancy, so to speak.
• 22:29
  SPEAKER_01: Occupancy last year.
• 22:32
  SPEAKER_01: And this year looks again that we are on the way to such a good year.
• 22:37
  SPEAKER_01: And surprisingly,
• 22:39
  SPEAKER_01: perhaps for you,
• 22:40
  SPEAKER_01: the Americans are even coming in a bigger number than last year.
• 22:46
  SPEAKER_01: So the Americans to us have a very, very special meaning.
• 22:52
  SPEAKER_01: If I may tell a little bit about the history of the festival,
• 22:56
  SPEAKER_01: which I think might be worthwhile for your audience.
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  SPEAKER_01: When our founders created us in 1920,
• 23:06
  SPEAKER_01: you have to imagine that after the World War I,
• 23:11
  SPEAKER_01: the Austrian Empire was non-existing anymore.
• 23:15
  SPEAKER_01: Salzburg was devastated.
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  It was heartbroken because people had lost parts of their
• 23:23
  family in a war or due to
• 23:25
  SPEAKER_01: the Spanish flu.
• 23:26
  SPEAKER_01: What was it?
• 23:27
  horrible pandemic in these days people were starving and there
• 23:32
  were three men a
• 23:34
  composer a poet and a director i mean imagine um hugo von
• 23:40
  hofmann style richard
• 23:42
  strauss and max reinhardt and they said in this surroundings
• 23:47
  wow we want to create
• 23:49
  something because they can take us away our money they can take
• 23:53
  they can destroy
• 23:54
  SPEAKER_01: our houses but they cannot take what we
• 23:57
  is in our soul and in our heart which is culture which was
• 24:00
  always the heart and
• 24:02
  soul of austria so they said we want to have the best of the
• 24:05
  best on our stages no
• 24:07
  matter which religion identity or nationality and not only that
• 24:12
  because we are in
• 24:14
  salzburg at the heart of the heart of europe we want to attract
• 24:18
  people from all
• 24:19
  SPEAKER_01: around the world who love
• 24:22
  SPEAKER_01: classical music, theater, concerts, opera and come here to Salzburg.
• 24:28
  And they started because they had no money,
• 24:31
  not in a festival hall because there was none.
• 24:34
  SPEAKER_01: They started with the most beautiful backdrop in the world,
• 24:38
  SPEAKER_01: our cathedral and played the Jedermann there.
• 24:43
  SPEAKER_00: Just to tell our audience,
• 24:44
  SPEAKER_00: that's Hochmannstahl's version of Everyman,
• 24:47
  SPEAKER_00: the medieval English morality tale.
• 24:50
  So Jedeman,
• 24:51
  or Everyman,
• 24:52
  is performed,
• 24:53
  I think,
• 24:53
  every year at the festival.
• 24:54
  SPEAKER_00: It's a tradition and ritual.
• 24:57
  SPEAKER_01: And from the beginning on, Americans came to Salzburg, and they loved it.
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  And they did not only come,
• 25:06
  they gave us money to help,
• 25:08
  because the festival was never...
• 25:10
  SPEAKER_01: a stately financed only thing.
• 25:14
  So they brought themselves,
• 25:16
  their friends,
• 25:17
  their families and their money.
• 25:20
  SPEAKER_01: And after the Second World War, when the Nazis closed us down,
• 25:26
  SPEAKER_01: It was again an American who helped.
• 25:28
  It was General Clark who was here in the American zone and
• 25:35
  helped us to recreate
• 25:39
  SPEAKER_01: the festival again.
• 25:41
  And it was again Americans who came as a delighted audience and
• 25:46
  who helped us with
• 25:48
  SPEAKER_01: money to rebuild certain parts of the festival.
• 25:51
  SPEAKER_01: And therefore, we have since many, many years also wonderful
• 25:56
  SPEAKER_01: group of American friends,
• 25:57
  SPEAKER_01: an American Friends Association,
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  SPEAKER_01: and we welcome them every year and are very happy about that.
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  SPEAKER_00: Christina,
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  SPEAKER_00: I was thinking about raising money,
• 26:09
  SPEAKER_00: and I thought of a couple of stories from my past,
• 26:13
  SPEAKER_00: and I want to share them with you,
• 26:15
  SPEAKER_00: these stories,
• 26:16
  SPEAKER_00: which kind of contradict each other.
• 26:18
  SPEAKER_00: I'm looking at my notes because I want to quote Beverly Sills.
• 26:22
  SPEAKER_00: Beverly Sills, the famous soprano,
• 26:25
  I talked to her,
• 26:25
  and she was for many years an administrator,
• 26:27
  and she raised a lot of money.
• 26:29
  SPEAKER_00: She was a great fundraiser.
• 26:31
  SPEAKER_00: And she told me that she had raised $100 million for the March of Dimes.
• 26:36
  SPEAKER_00: That was real money in those days, $100 million.
• 26:40
  Beverly had two severely handicapped children,
• 26:43
  and she cared about this a lot.
• 26:46
  SPEAKER_00: And...
• 26:47
  SPEAKER_00: And she also raised money for the arts.
• 26:50
  SPEAKER_00: I believe she was the general manager of New York City Opera.
• 26:53
  SPEAKER_00: What did she say here?
• 26:55
  SPEAKER_00: I'm quoting, looking at my notes.
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  SPEAKER_00: I raised $100 million for the March of Dimes.
• 26:59
  SPEAKER_00: Medical causes do better than music.
• 27:02
  SPEAKER_00: If you have some disease to cure,
• 27:04
  you're not going to want to fork over millions for another
• 27:07
  production of La Boheme,
• 27:09
  SPEAKER_00: she said.
• 27:11
  And here's something from an obituary of Warren Buffett's
• 27:16
  sister,
• 27:17
  Doris Buffett.
• 27:18
  SPEAKER_00: The obituary says, Ms.
• 27:21
  SPEAKER_00: Buffett shunned what she called the SOBs,
• 27:24
  SPEAKER_00: symphonies,
• 27:25
  SPEAKER_00: operas,
• 27:26
  SPEAKER_00: and ballets,
• 27:27
  as recipients of largesse and instead concentrated on the
• 27:31
  underprivileged.
• 27:34
  SPEAKER_00: So the last story I have for you is
• 27:37
  SPEAKER_00: I was at a Carnegie Hall luncheon once.
• 27:40
  SPEAKER_00: I used to attend the Carnegie Hall press luncheon.
• 27:43
  And I happened to be seated next to the director of development
• 27:46
  fundraising.
• 27:48
  SPEAKER_00: And I said, you must have a difficult job.
• 27:50
  SPEAKER_00: And he said, what do you mean?
• 27:53
  SPEAKER_00: I said, well...
• 27:54
  SPEAKER_00: Carnegie Hall is the most famous concert hall in America.
• 28:00
  I wonder would people want to give to it because they would
• 28:03
  assume it's greatly
• 28:04
  SPEAKER_00: successful and that they should give to more struggling organizations.
• 28:09
  SPEAKER_00: And he looked at me like I was the most naive person in the world.
• 28:14
  SPEAKER_00: He said, Jay, people like to give to a winner.
• 28:18
  SPEAKER_00: People like to give to something that's successful already.
• 28:21
  SPEAKER_00: What this says about human beings, it's up to you to interpret.
• 28:26
  SPEAKER_00: That was many years ago and I never forgot it.
• 28:29
  SPEAKER_00: So now I'm through with my monologue and I want to ask you,
• 28:35
  is it relatively easy or is it difficult to interest business
• 28:40
  sponsors and
• 28:41
  SPEAKER_00: philanthropists in the arts and in music in particular?
• 28:48
  SPEAKER_01: I think it's two points you made which are very valuable.
• 28:53
  I think I very well understand that somebody who is very much
• 28:59
  into helping medical
• 29:01
  SPEAKER_01: causes,
• 29:02
  SPEAKER_01: you know,
• 29:02
  SPEAKER_01: that they put this on as a priority.
• 29:04
  SPEAKER_01: I think that's something what...
• 29:07
  SPEAKER_01: I would never contradict here in any conversation.
• 29:12
  SPEAKER_00: But Sils would go on to say that the arts were so important.
• 29:16
  SPEAKER_00: And she would argue for them, you know, because she did both.
• 29:18
  SPEAKER_01: And that was where I wanted to link in.
• 29:23
  Because I believe that helping the arts is so important because
• 29:29
  it does help the
• 29:31
  SPEAKER_01: mental health and the heart of
• 29:35
  SPEAKER_01: of everyone who attends it.
• 29:37
  And we do a great effort with our youth programs to initiate
• 29:43
  that spark in young people.
• 29:46
  SPEAKER_01: Because you look,
• 29:47
  we are all talking about AI and what will this mean to the
• 29:51
  world in the next 100
• 29:54
  SPEAKER_01: years to come,
• 29:55
  SPEAKER_01: even in the next 12 months to come.
• 30:00
  SPEAKER_01: And I can only tell you one story.
• 30:02
  What are the important things we can give to our children to be
• 30:08
  able to handle the next years?
• 30:12
  SPEAKER_01: It is empathy.
• 30:14
  SPEAKER_01: It is creativity.
• 30:17
  SPEAKER_01: It is thinking out of the box.
• 30:20
  SPEAKER_01: It is trusting your intuition.
• 30:24
  SPEAKER_01: It is understanding who to trust and not to trust.
• 30:28
  SPEAKER_01: And that's something what no AI can do.
• 30:32
  SPEAKER_01: But music,
• 30:35
  SPEAKER_01: instruments,
• 30:36
  SPEAKER_01: learning to listen,
• 30:38
  SPEAKER_01: learning to open your heart,
• 30:41
  SPEAKER_01: learning to watch something on a stage to develop,
• 30:46
  SPEAKER_01: century if not longer themes like power,
• 30:53
  SPEAKER_01: No power, struggles, hate, love, devotion, jealousy.
• 31:00
  SPEAKER_01: These are themes which were as relevant 300 years ago as they are now.
• 31:07
  SPEAKER_01: And therefore,
• 31:08
  I believe it is extremely important that we give people those
• 31:15
  three or two or four
• 31:18
  hours to sit in a concert hall or an opera or a theater and
• 31:24
  take the time to
• 31:26
  reflect what is shown on stage and is nothing else than a
• 31:32
  mirror of what is
• 31:34
  SPEAKER_01: happening in this world.
• 31:37
  SPEAKER_01: And I think this is something what attracts people,
• 31:41
  SPEAKER_01: what attracts people who do personally give as patrons.
• 31:47
  SPEAKER_01: And especially if they cherish something specifically,
• 31:51
  SPEAKER_01: I always try to find out what people care for.
• 31:55
  if it is a concert,
• 31:57
  if it is a special art of thinking,
• 32:01
  if it is a overture spirituelle.
• 32:04
  SPEAKER_01: So I try to find out what they care for.
• 32:07
  SPEAKER_01: And if we talk about sponsoring,
• 32:10
  SPEAKER_01: it is about finding out what you can do together with a partner.
• 32:16
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, sure.
• 32:17
  They very well understand very often that it's corporate social
• 32:21
  responsibility,
• 32:23
  SPEAKER_01: that they are giving something back to society.
• 32:26
  SPEAKER_01: that,
• 32:26
  SPEAKER_01: you know,
• 32:27
  often their business partners would dive to have a ticket for
• 32:32
  the Salzburg Festival
• 32:34
  SPEAKER_01: or their employees.
• 32:35
  SPEAKER_01: But it's so much more than that.
• 32:38
  SPEAKER_01: We create individually, together with our partners,
• 32:43
  projects and ideas what changed the world i give you i can i
• 32:48
  don't think we have
• 32:49
  the time to give too many examples but let me give a few with
• 32:55
  siemens we created
• 32:56
  the so-called siemens festival nights since they were created
• 33:01
  more than one million
• 33:02
  SPEAKER_01: people can watch not more than 200
• 33:08
  50 meters or 2500 feet next to the festival hall for free in an
• 33:16
  open air ambience
• 33:19
  our historic productions or our current productions every
• 33:24
  single night during the
• 33:25
  SPEAKER_01: festival
• 33:27
  SPEAKER_00: Hang on, Christina, a question.
• 33:31
  SPEAKER_00: This has to do with mutuality.
• 33:32
  SPEAKER_00: I'm all in favor of pure charity.
• 33:35
  But this wonderful gift that Siemens gives,
• 33:39
  does it help Siemens or is it pure benefaction?
• 33:45
  SPEAKER_01: You know what I mean by that?
• 33:46
  SPEAKER_01: I completely know what you mean by that.
• 33:48
  SPEAKER_01: I do think that every partnership always needs to be a win-win situation.
• 33:54
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 33:55
  SPEAKER_01: It does help us tremendously.
• 33:57
  SPEAKER_01: It does help the audience who can see this for free.
• 34:04
  You know,
• 34:05
  what is so close to my heart is that we have a width of
• 34:10
  audience.
• 34:11
  SPEAKER_01: So until today,
• 34:13
  we ensure at Salzburg Festival that 50% of our tickets are in
• 34:18
  the price range in
• 34:19
  SPEAKER_01: between 5 and 115 euros.
• 34:22
  SPEAKER_01: So that it's really,
• 34:23
  SPEAKER_01: you know,
• 34:25
  SPEAKER_01: possible for,
• 34:26
  SPEAKER_01: I would make a word game,
• 34:29
  SPEAKER_01: everyone,
• 34:29
  SPEAKER_01: every man to attend the festival.
• 34:35
  SPEAKER_01: But this really enables us.
• 34:37
  SPEAKER_00: What was that range again, Christy?
• 34:38
  SPEAKER_00: What was the range?
• 34:39
  SPEAKER_01: Five to 115 euros.
• 34:43
  SPEAKER_01: That's half of the tickets.
• 34:45
  SPEAKER_01: Now with the Siemens Festival nights,
• 34:49
  people can see it for free so they can also get a taste of the
• 34:55
  festival or they can
• 34:57
  SPEAKER_01: see something in addition.
• 34:59
  SPEAKER_01: And this gives also the people not only who are coming from far,
• 35:05
  but also the people who are coming from the region a really
• 35:10
  heartful connection
• 35:12
  SPEAKER_01: with the festival.
• 35:13
  SPEAKER_01: And yes, for sure.
• 35:14
  SPEAKER_01: I mean,
• 35:15
  Siemens proves that they have one of the best outdoor screens
• 35:22
  which works day and
• 35:23
  SPEAKER_01: night and a system of speakers where you really...
• 35:28
  SPEAKER_01: believe you sit in a festival hall.
• 35:31
  SPEAKER_00: And you can go in shorts and a golf shirt.
• 35:34
  SPEAKER_00: You can show up in shorts, too, if you want.
• 35:35
  SPEAKER_00: Absolutely.
• 35:36
  SPEAKER_00: On a hot night.
• 35:39
  SPEAKER_00: Before we close here, I wanted to discuss with you one man.
• 35:43
  SPEAKER_00: I'm looking at my notes.
• 35:44
  SPEAKER_00: I read a press release.
• 35:46
  SPEAKER_00: I'm going to say this in an English way first.
• 35:48
  SPEAKER_00: Hans Peter Wild.
• 35:50
  SPEAKER_00: Hans Peter Wild.
• 35:53
  SPEAKER_00: And it says here, this really moved me, I must say.
• 35:57
  In gratitude and acknowledgement of the liberation of Germany
• 36:00
  from the Nazis in
• 36:02
  SPEAKER_00: 1945,
• 36:03
  SPEAKER_00: Dr.
• 36:03
  SPEAKER_00: Wildt donated $16 million to the U.S.
• 36:06
  SPEAKER_00: Marine Corps Scholarship Foundation,
• 36:09
  SPEAKER_00: enabling about 300 children of Marines to pursue university studies.
• 36:15
  SPEAKER_00: I thought, this must be quite a guy, this wild, this Wildt.
• 36:21
  SPEAKER_01: He's an incredible man.
• 36:23
  SPEAKER_01: I know him personally since many,
• 36:25
  SPEAKER_01: many years,
• 36:26
  SPEAKER_01: long before I became president of the Salzburg Festival.
• 36:30
  SPEAKER_01: He's very connected with Salzburg too.
• 36:33
  He has great values and he's the owner of Capri Sun,
• 36:38
  what is very well known also in the U.S.
• 36:41
  SPEAKER_01: as a drink and with its famous advertising campaigns with Muhammad Ali.
• 36:55
  SPEAKER_00: Oh.
• 36:55
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 36:57
  SPEAKER_01: he is an entrepreneur from the heart and a market here,
• 37:02
  SPEAKER_01: um,
• 37:04
  SPEAKER_01: head of innovation,
• 37:06
  SPEAKER_01: which I've rarely seen.
• 37:07
  SPEAKER_01: And he's in Salzburg since he is a child and he loves Salzburg.
• 37:14
  He owns here,
• 37:14
  by the way,
• 37:15
  also two hotels and he always attends the Salzburg festival.
• 37:21
  SPEAKER_01: And he came to me one day and he said, look, um,
• 37:26
  SPEAKER_01: is there a really fascinating project I could add value with?
• 37:31
  SPEAKER_01: And I said,
• 37:32
  SPEAKER_01: there is one which I could imagine you could like,
• 37:35
  SPEAKER_01: but I have to warn you up front,
• 37:37
  SPEAKER_01: it's expensive.
• 37:39
  SPEAKER_01: And he said, I'm not sure if I have the money, but tell me about it.
• 37:43
  SPEAKER_01: And I said, look, we have a festival.
• 37:46
  SPEAKER_01: So at the end of August, we close.
• 37:49
  SPEAKER_01: And everybody who comes then to Salzburg stays in front of a closed door.
• 37:55
  Unless we present the new programme and sell tickets,
• 37:59
  also nobody will visit the ticket office.
• 38:03
  SPEAKER_01: So what we are dreaming of is a year-long presence,
• 38:07
  SPEAKER_01: a visitor centre made for visitors of the city,
• 38:13
  but also for inhabitants of the city and for people who are
• 38:17
  interested in the
• 38:18
  SPEAKER_01: festival,
• 38:19
  SPEAKER_01: no matter if they have been there before or not.
• 38:23
  SPEAKER_01: And I said,
• 38:23
  and we have this once in a lifetime chance that there is a
• 38:27
  small space where we can
• 38:30
  SPEAKER_01: still build something because this is a historical baroque city.
• 38:33
  SPEAKER_01: You cannot just build something anywhere.
• 38:37
  SPEAKER_01: And we are dreaming of a two story building where on the top,
• 38:45
  SPEAKER_01: it's a very,
• 38:47
  SPEAKER_01: very airy class pavilion,
• 38:49
  SPEAKER_01: which is the visitor center and below.
• 38:52
  is a wonderful concert place where you can play chamber
• 38:58
  concerts or you can do
• 38:59
  SPEAKER_01: readings or you can do solo concerts.
• 39:03
  SPEAKER_01: And that would be exactly what we would need.
• 39:06
  And then we could also open up the former ticket office
• 39:09
  opposite in a large space,
• 39:12
  which is much more a consulting space with a lobby where you
• 39:17
  can also have a
• 39:18
  SPEAKER_01: coffee.
• 39:19
  instead of a pure ticket vending because more and more people
• 39:23
  will buy the tickets
• 39:24
  anyway only on online and they don't need to visit the ticket
• 39:28
  office and he said
• 39:29
  that's fascinating i want to hear more and at the end he gave
• 39:34
  us 12 million euros
• 39:36
  SPEAKER_01: to build it and this is for european sizes a load of money real money
• 39:45
  SPEAKER_01: It's the biggest donation we ever received.
• 39:48
  So I can assure you,
• 39:51
  I'm very thankful to this visionary and very,
• 39:57
  very heartful entrepreneur.
• 39:59
  SPEAKER_00: When will this new place be ready?
• 40:02
  SPEAKER_01: Next year.
• 40:02
  SPEAKER_01: We are already building it.
• 40:04
  So if you walk out of where we are sitting,
• 40:07
  it's just being built opposite.
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  SPEAKER_00: I'll have a look.
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  SPEAKER_00: Well, before we part here...
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  SPEAKER_00: Do you have a favorite composer or two or three?
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  This is very difficult to answer if you sit in Salzburg where
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  Mozart is the son of our town.
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  SPEAKER_01: I mean, for sure I love Mozart.
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  SPEAKER_01: I mean, if I wouldn't do that, I wouldn't live here.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I'm always, you know...
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  amazed by his genius i'm i am humbled that this i mean if you
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  think about at what
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  age he wrote operas and symphonies i mean it it is nearly
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  unbelievable and his
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  SPEAKER_01: music and he is so modern also in many ways and it is so so fragile
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  that you need to play it in the utmost excellence to really
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  deliver the true spirit
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  SPEAKER_01: to an audience.
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  SPEAKER_01: I could go on for hours,
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  SPEAKER_01: but that doesn't mean that I don't love,
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  SPEAKER_01: um,
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  SPEAKER_01: Mahler,
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  SPEAKER_01: that I don't love,
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  SPEAKER_01: um,
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  SPEAKER_01: many,
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  many other wonderful composers where I could now talk until I
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  would say another
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  SPEAKER_01: half an hour.
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  SPEAKER_01: But, um,
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  SPEAKER_01: I think it is important to mention him and to mention Strauss,
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  SPEAKER_01: who means so much to us also as a festival.
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  SPEAKER_01: And there are operas from Strauss and performances I will never forget.
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  SPEAKER_01: And as you know, our other founder wrote the librettos for it.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: The libretti for it.
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  SPEAKER_00: Do you like Austrian food?
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  SPEAKER_00: If so, which dishes in particular?
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  SPEAKER_01: That is a wonderful question because I love Austrian food very much.
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  I love it so much that I did Austrian cooking courses long
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  before I moved to
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  SPEAKER_01: Austria just because I like the cuisine so much.
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  SPEAKER_01: And also there are...
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  long long lists but I think if you come to Salzburg you for
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  sure have to try a
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  marillenknödel you have to eat a wiener schnitzel and a
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  tafelspitz Salzburger
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  knocker is something I mean you have to first to see it and
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  then to indulge in it
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  SPEAKER_01: the list is very long well
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  SPEAKER_00: Ladies and gentlemen, I'm Jay Nordlinger for Q&A.
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  SPEAKER_00: We've been talking with the president of the Salzburg Festival,
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  SPEAKER_00: I'll say it in my American way,
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  SPEAKER_00: Dr.
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  SPEAKER_00: Christina Hammer.
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  SPEAKER_00: And such a pleasure to sit with you and great strength to your hands.
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  SPEAKER_00: And thanks for doing what you do.
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  SPEAKER_01: Thank you so much for this beautiful conversation.
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  SPEAKER_01: I really enjoyed it.
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  SPEAKER_01: Thank you very much.
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  SPEAKER_00: So long, everyone.
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  SPEAKER_00: Until next time.