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Midterms, Macklemore & Mamdani w/ Guy Dufault · A Really Good Podcast with Greg & Liz

• 0:00
  SPEAKER_00: Don't wanna be an American idiot.
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  SPEAKER_01: Hello, hello, and welcome to another episode of a really good podcast with Greg and Liz.
• 0:09
  SPEAKER_01: Although today Greg is not here.
• 0:11
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know if you saw our video, but Greg is grieving his son heading off to the Navy.
• 0:18
  SPEAKER_01: So he's having a tough couple weeks.
• 0:21
  SPEAKER_01: And we brought in another dad, my dad, for your fourth time here.
• 0:27
  SPEAKER_01: Fourth time, yeah.
• 0:28
  SPEAKER_01: Fourth time.
• 0:29
  SPEAKER_01: Always exciting.
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  SPEAKER_03: Always exciting to be here.
• 0:31
  SPEAKER_01: Always fun.
• 0:31
  SPEAKER_01: It's always nice to be able to break things down.
• 0:34
  SPEAKER_01: Today we're going to be talking about politics as they're happening right now.
• 0:38
  SPEAKER_01: We have the midterm elections coming up, which are arguably, I don't know, would you say this is one of the more important elections of our I think it's I think it's probably one of the most important midterm elections in American history.
• 0:51
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 0:52
  SPEAKER_01: Even regular elections, probably.
• 0:55
  SPEAKER_03: The fact that we have, you know, an unprecedented moves being made, whether it be wars being conducted without congressional approval, some attacks on democracy, I think it's really, really important.
• 1:08
  SPEAKER_03: And we're starting to see trend lines develop, which we can talk about later.
• 1:12
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:13
  SPEAKER_01: So how much do you think because this is a midterm, which normally you wouldn't think would be as consequential as a regular election, but how much can things really change based on the outcome of this election?
• 1:26
  SPEAKER_03: All right.
• 1:27
  SPEAKER_03: It's a great question.
• 1:28
  SPEAKER_03: And first off, for the audience, it's probably important to understand what we mean by a midterm.
• 1:34
  SPEAKER_03: The way the United States government works at the federal level is congressional races, people that are in U.S.
• 1:41
  SPEAKER_03: Congress, House of Representatives, have to run every two years.
• 1:45
  SPEAKER_03: A president only has to run every four years, and a United States Senator runs every six years.
• 1:52
  SPEAKER_03: So sometimes you have the president on the ballot, and when the president's on the ballot, that's a much higher turnout.
• 2:00
  SPEAKER_03: Around 155 million people vote in a general election that has the president on the ballot.
• 2:07
  SPEAKER_01: Which is kind of crazy because that's still only like half the country, right?
• 2:10
  SPEAKER_01: It's about half the country, about 55 percent.
• 2:12
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 2:13
  SPEAKER_03: About 55 percent of the eligible electorate votes in a presidential.
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  SPEAKER_03: It's been as high as 65, it's been as low as 50, but it's somewhere around 55 on average.
• 2:22
  SPEAKER_03: But then when you get to the midterms, when the president's not on the ballot, all 435 members of Congress are still on the ballot in the House of Representatives, only 33 or 34 senators are on the ballot, and then there's no presidential.
• 2:38
  SPEAKER_03: And the turnout is usually between 130 and 135 million.
• 2:42
  SPEAKER_03: So it's on average about 15% less.
• 2:46
  SPEAKER_03: However, to answer your question, it's as consequential because Congress and who controls Congress sets the agenda.
• 2:55
  SPEAKER_03: They create the budget for the United States of America and they have to approve what needs to be done.
• 3:01
  SPEAKER_03: They affirm the judges, so any new judges coming in have to be affirmed by um the Senate.
• 3:08
  SPEAKER_03: And so the makeup of the Senate and the House of Representatives is crucial to how the country is governed.
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  SPEAKER_03: They set the policy.
• 3:18
  SPEAKER_03: So the the way our three branches work is the judiciary oversees it to make sure that everything is legal, but technically, Congress is supposed to set the agenda and set policy, and then the executive branch executes it.
• 3:34
  SPEAKER_03: The reason why this election is so important is President Trump has utilized something called the unitary executive power and through executive orders has gone far and way above the normal policy making that would normally be done by Congress.
• 3:53
  SPEAKER_03: And Congress, in this case, has let him do that because it's been run by the Republicans.
• 3:59
  SPEAKER_03: So the consequence of this election is if the Democrats do take over, then they get control of the policy making and they can put a check and balance on him.
• 4:10
  SPEAKER_03: So the country's future and the direction it wants to go in is crucial on November 3rd and will determine whether Democrats are controlling policy or whether President Trump will continue to do policy.
• 4:23
  SPEAKER_01: And Congress really hasn't been doing a great job, would you say that they're Congress is doing they're not really holding him accountable, right?
• 4:33
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 4:37
  SPEAKER_03: They believe in President Trump, they're Republicans, and they bow to his wishes.
• 4:42
  SPEAKER_01: But do you really think that all of the people that are going along with it, do you really think that they believe in him?
• 4:47
  SPEAKER_01: Or do you think that they they just they're scared?
• 4:50
  SPEAKER_03: Left to their own devices, they probably wouldn't want any of it, particularly the war in Iran, the fact that he's not really paying attention that much to the economy, which is the number one driving issue for people to vote.
• 5:03
  SPEAKER_03: However, he has something that no president has really used in a long, long time, which is he has an incredible bully pulpit in Republican primaries.
• 5:14
  SPEAKER_03: So if they want to stay in office, and he exercised that.
• 5:18
  SPEAKER_03: John Cornyn in Texas was knocked off, Massey in Kentucky was knocked off.
• 5:25
  SPEAKER_03: Anybody who was against Trump and he decided he wanted to go after them, he knocked them out of office.
• 5:31
  SPEAKER_03: So he had the power to do it.
• 5:33
  SPEAKER_03: He exercised it at a level we've never seen exercise before.
• 5:38
  SPEAKER_01: Do you still think that he has that same power now?
• 5:42
  SPEAKER_03: No.
• 5:42
  SPEAKER_03: To be honest with you, he has the power only in the Republican primaries.
• 5:47
  SPEAKER_03: They're over now.
• 5:48
  SPEAKER_03: Now we're into a general election.
• 5:50
  SPEAKER_03: This is where the rubber hits the road.
• 5:52
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 5:52
  SPEAKER_01: I saw something about the election, I think it's for Senate in Florida, the Angie Nixon and Ashley Moody, that they came out with those poll numbers.
• 6:02
  SPEAKER_01: And who is it?
• 6:03
  SPEAKER_01: Angie Nixon is the one that's running, that's like kind of a nobody, right?
• 6:06
  SPEAKER_03: Democratic Socialist came out of nowhere.
• 6:09
  SPEAKER_03: She defeated Alex Vinman, who was considered the favorite in that race, outspent her almost 10 to 1.
• 6:15
  SPEAKER_01: They said she didn't even have enough money for like TV ads.
• 6:17
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 6:18
  SPEAKER_03: She didn't put hardly any TV ads on.
• 6:20
  SPEAKER_03: She got outspent, but she got the Democratic Socialist movement out, which is a younger and more motivated voter right now.
• 6:30
  SPEAKER_03: And in the Democratic primary, she was successful.
• 6:32
  SPEAKER_03: Very similar to what Memdani did in New York.
• 6:35
  SPEAKER_03: We've seen it locally, what Morales did to Smiley in Providence, Rhode Island.
• 6:40
  SPEAKER_03: So when you can motivate the younger people who traditionally don't vote in primaries at high levels, when you can motivate them, it brings a whole new element into the campaigns.
• 6:51
  SPEAKER_03: The question is, can it translate over to a general election where you have a lot more people voting instead of the 15, 18 percent, you're looking at 35 or 38%?
• 7:03
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: So I do want to go back to some of that, but let since we've brought it up, let's talk about democratic socialism.
• 7:08
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 7:09
  SPEAKER_01: Because I think that it's funny.
• 7:11
  SPEAKER_01: Like I've been seeing these things where it's like, you know, who is convincing you about socialism?
• 7:17
  SPEAKER_01: Like who, why are so many young people into it?
• 7:19
  SPEAKER_01: And they were saying how it's all these older people that every time you talk about forgiving student loans, you talk about universal health care, you talk about all these things, they're like, that's socialism.
• 7:30
  SPEAKER_01: And our generation, as we're getting older, it's like these things don't look so bad.
• 7:35
  SPEAKER_01: You know, it's been said that socialism is terrible.
• 7:38
  SPEAKER_01: And I know I'm sure there's a million reasons why in certain instances it isn't working.
• 7:44
  SPEAKER_01: But then you look at Mom Dani in New York and the things he's doing, and he's might be the first politician I've ever seen that's actually right out the gate doing the things that he said he was gonna do.
• 7:56
  SPEAKER_01: So, like, what is it?
• 7:57
  SPEAKER_01: Why does it have such a bad reputation?
• 7:59
  SPEAKER_03: Yes.
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  SPEAKER_03: So democratic socialism is different than socialism as defined.
• 8:06
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, and a lot of people don't understand the differences.
• 8:10
  SPEAKER_03: Socialism, true socialism, is the government runs businesses.
• 8:14
  SPEAKER_03: The government runs the businesses.
• 8:16
  SPEAKER_03: We live in a capitalistic society where private entities run the businesses.
• 8:21
  SPEAKER_03: So a lot of people confuse democratic socialism.
• 8:25
  SPEAKER_03: Democratic socialism, we have in spades, you could make police officers, you know, Medicaid, Medicare, police coverage, public schools, the post office, post office are all forms of socialism, but they're the government running those entities.
• 8:43
  SPEAKER_03: Where the difference lies, the democratic socialists, and the reason they're catching on is we have had a tremendous movement basically since 1980, where we have income inequality, which means that in the capitalist world, the pays of the top people have risen dramatically to sometimes they're 300 and 400 times higher for the boss than they are for the average worker.
• 9:11
  SPEAKER_03: Back in 1980, it was 12 times higher.
• 9:14
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 9:15
  SPEAKER_03: So what's happened is that through income inequality, people, particularly young people, have not been able to stay up.
• 9:23
  SPEAKER_03: Their wages have not grown fast enough.
• 9:25
  SPEAKER_03: So they can't afford housing, they can't afford cars, mortgage rates are very, very high, they have high student loans because the cost of education went up, and they've been they've been angered, and they're now performing as a result of that.
• 9:40
  SPEAKER_03: And what they're saying is, is you need to share the pie better.
• 9:44
  SPEAKER_03: And so democratic socialism is how do you share the pie better because the top 1%, 2% are getting such a gigantic share of it?
• 9:55
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, there are 15 people in America that make more money than the bottom 50% of the people in America.
• 10:04
  SPEAKER_01: So is this like the blowback of trickle-down economics?
• 10:09
  SPEAKER_03: Yes, this is exactly the blowback of triple economics.
• 10:12
  SPEAKER_03: So what happened was in the capitalist world, they said, if you make us successful, we'll make you successful.
• 10:18
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 10:19
  SPEAKER_03: And the money will trickle down and wages will get higher, and we'll be able to control inflation, and you're gonna be able to live just as well.
• 10:27
  SPEAKER_03: What happened was that the money never trickled down.
• 10:30
  SPEAKER_03: It stayed at the top, it continues to stay at the top, and the stronger the top gets, and through things like I'm gonna use a term that people don't understand, but it's called Citizens United, which was a Supreme Court decision in 2010, which allowed the rich to put money independently into campaigns, they could never do that before.
• 10:51
  SPEAKER_03: So now corporations, individuals, unions can put money in through what they call an independent expenditure to be able to get their agenda passed.
• 11:02
  SPEAKER_03: So now they've made the agenda to such a point that they're keeping all of the money.
• 11:07
  SPEAKER_03: It's gotten so bad that what happened in New York City, for example, for the first time in history, more people under 40 voted in the New York City mayoral election than people over 40.
• 11:20
  SPEAKER_03: And it never happened before in history.
• 11:23
  SPEAKER_03: In Providence recently, while we don't have the numbers yet, they had an additional 6,000 people show up.
• 11:30
  SPEAKER_03: Primarily, everybody believes it was the younger people who uh have fallen by the wayside.
• 11:36
  SPEAKER_03: They can't buy homes.
• 11:38
  SPEAKER_03: The average home in Rhode Island right now is$540,000, the median,$540,000 for purchase of a home, which means even at a 10% down payment, you have to save$54,000.
• 11:51
  SPEAKER_03: Almost impossible for somebody starting out to do that.
• 11:55
  SPEAKER_01: At like what is the interest rate right now?
• 11:57
  SPEAKER_01: Like separate.
• 11:58
  SPEAKER_03: And the mortgage rate is the highest it's been, and it's over six right now.
• 12:02
  SPEAKER_03: So the end result is that they've been angered.
• 12:06
  SPEAKER_03: And so the rise of the democratic socialist movement has been big and it's been fast and it's been huge, particularly in those places like New York, in Michigan, LA, Washington.
• 12:18
  SPEAKER_03: We saw it in Providence, where housing costs are so high and the ability to live is so high, inflation is caught up there.
• 12:26
  SPEAKER_03: But democratic socialism is a dual-edged sword, because with it comes a lot of the crazy talk, the things that people, you know, like defunding police or getting rid of prisons or getting rid of the United States Senate.
• 12:40
  SPEAKER_03: So that crazy talk ends up overwhelming the stronger messages of democratic socialism, which is the sharing of the economic pie and being able to get more equality into the income system.
• 12:54
  SPEAKER_03: And so what happens is when you get to the elections, you don't ever hear about income inequality being corrected or people trying to fight to bring inflation down.
• 13:03
  SPEAKER_03: What you hear about is they want to get rid of the Senate or they want to get rid of all prisons and have no prisons.
• 13:10
  SPEAKER_03: So that's the kind of the outskirts of the outside world, and that's dominating it.
• 13:17
  SPEAKER_03: But for Democrats to win, they have to have the young people in their camp.
• 13:21
  SPEAKER_03: So it's real, so you you know what you bring to the table can work both ways.
• 13:27
  SPEAKER_03: Some of the craziness and some of those, you know, things that I just talked about are a detriment.
• 13:33
  SPEAKER_03: But at the same time, if you don't have that extra 10% of young people coming into the you can't win because the way the electoral college is set up, particularly the rural areas, they don't have as much youth.
• 13:45
  SPEAKER_03: So you need the numbers to be able to win in the swing states: Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin, Georgia, Arizona, Colorado, New Mexico.
• 13:56
  SPEAKER_03: Those are the places where it becomes crucial that you get the young people involved.
• 14:00
  SPEAKER_03: We've got them involved now.
• 14:02
  SPEAKER_03: Now we have to just be able to work with them to make sure that the messaging doesn't go so far off track that they become a detriment to the overall vote.
• 14:10
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I mean, I've noticed it a lot, and I use the term purity politics loosely, but you know, I've been I've been seeing a lot.
• 14:19
  SPEAKER_01: For example, so this is we're gonna talk about the McLamore Ed Sharon situation, but this was something that I kind of it stood out to me.
• 14:28
  SPEAKER_01: So I was on Threads the other day, and this woman posted how she already had tickets to the Ed Sharon show.
• 14:35
  SPEAKER_01: She disagreed with what was happening and whatever, but she was going through cancer treatments and she just wanted to go and enjoy the show.
• 14:42
  SPEAKER_01: And all of these people were responding to her, and they were like, What a privilege for you to, you know, ignore genocide and do all this stuff.
• 14:51
  SPEAKER_01: And it's like, these are the people that like I'm as liberal as they come and you're insufferable.
• 14:57
  SPEAKER_01: Like this woman is just saying that she just wants to go and enjoy a show.
• 15:01
  SPEAKER_01: And I get it, but like Ed Sharon is not the target, like he's not the main problem.
• 15:08
  SPEAKER_01: And what he did, the way he handled it, and I do want to talk about that, was not correct.
• 15:12
  SPEAKER_01: But like, I feel like you saw this a lot in the Kamala Harris campaign that like she didn't do every and granted, like, yeah, in a perfect world, a lot of these politicians, Kamala Harris did make a lot of mistakes, and she could have done things differently.
• 15:24
  SPEAKER_01: She should have distanced herself more from Joe Biden in the long run.
• 15:27
  SPEAKER_01: But I find a lot of younger people are expecting, are refusing to vote for people unless they do every single thing that they want them to do or say.
• 15:36
  SPEAKER_01: And do you feel like this is happening and this is kind of like I personally feel like this is kind of a big reason why the Democrats are having such a hard time pulling ahead.
• 15:46
  SPEAKER_03: You're a hundred percent, you're a hundred percent correct.
• 15:49
  SPEAKER_03: So the purity test seems to only be working one way.
• 15:53
  SPEAKER_03: You can take a guy like Donald Trump who cheated on all three of his own people.
• 15:58
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, Republicans don't do this with a porn star, gets convicted of sexual assault, and yet gets elected president of the United States basically off 93% of Republicans supporting him.
• 16:11
  SPEAKER_03: Then you get a guy, a Democrat who does something of a minor nature, Al Franken, on a plane doing a fake cupping of a woman's breast as a joke, and he gets drummed out of office because the Democrats won't put up with it.
• 16:26
  SPEAKER_01: How about Howard Dean with the weird yell?
• 16:29
  SPEAKER_03: Howard Dean with the weird yell.
• 16:31
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, so there is kind of I I like the word you used, purity test.
• 16:37
  SPEAKER_03: We sometimes go overboard in that.
• 16:39
  SPEAKER_03: And I think what's happened is some of the Democratic Socialists have gone overboard.
• 16:45
  SPEAKER_03: There's nobody been a stronger supporter of Israel than myself.
• 16:49
  SPEAKER_03: However, you have to look at what has happened in Palestine, you have to look at the genocide that's occurred there.
• 16:56
  SPEAKER_03: And if you are any kind of a thinking person at all, you have to be able to at least weigh that possibly there's a better way to go than what the Israel forces have been doing in Palestine.
• 17:10
  SPEAKER_03: And so McLamore spoke up at concerts about that.
• 17:15
  SPEAKER_03: Now, here's where it gets tricky.
• 17:17
  SPEAKER_03: Free speech, and a lot of people don't understand this.
• 17:20
  SPEAKER_03: Free speech is a government thing, it is not a private entity thing.
• 17:25
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 17:26
  SPEAKER_03: Bob Kraft owns George Stadium, he has every right by law to put into that stadium whoever he wants and whatever message that he wants to deliver.
• 17:37
  SPEAKER_03: So he was within his legal rights to be able to do what he did.
• 17:43
  SPEAKER_03: However, he will pay a price because what happens is when a person who's a business person who needs young people to fill the concerts at Gillette Stadium, there is now the potential for rebelling against that.
• 17:57
  SPEAKER_03: And people may just say, you know what?
• 17:59
  SPEAKER_03: He can feel that way, but I don't have to buy a ticket to go to a concert there, or I don't have to buy a ticket to go to a revolution game, or I don't have to buy a ticket to go to a Patriot game.
• 18:07
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 18:08
  SPEAKER_03: So he risks, and he's been very consistent.
• 18:11
  SPEAKER_03: He he looks upon that kind of talk, the pro-Palestinian anti-Israel talk, as anti-Semitism.
• 18:18
  SPEAKER_03: He has got a lifetime of history of it.
• 18:21
  SPEAKER_03: We don't think it is.
• 18:22
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, more than a lot of people.
• 18:24
  SPEAKER_01: Can you explain that though?
• 18:25
  SPEAKER_01: Because so let's go back to let's go to the start of the Ed Sharon McInmore.
• 18:29
  SPEAKER_01: So if anyone is living under a rock, let's just give like a brief little background on it.
• 18:34
  SPEAKER_01: So Ed Sharon is on tour and he brings McIlmore on tour, which to be fair, McAllore has been doing this for years.
• 18:41
  SPEAKER_01: Like, this isn't brand new.
• 18:43
  SPEAKER_01: And McIlmoore makes this statement during one of his concerts, and I'm gonna just read a little excerpt of what he said so you can have the idea.
• 18:52
  SPEAKER_01: So it says the truth is a big part of the reason why I wanted to do this tour in the first place is so I can stand up in stadiums like this and say two words that are very near and dear to my heart.
• 19:00
  SPEAKER_01: Free Palestine.
• 19:01
  SPEAKER_01: I want those words to be loud and clear so the people all the way to Gaza, to the occupied West Bank, know that we have not forgotten about them.
• 19:07
  SPEAKER_01: As the father of an 11-year-old girl, I believe every person deserves to know the safety and peace before they know the sound of violence, to know the sound of laughter on the playground before planes and bombs.
• 19:17
  SPEAKER_01: He also referred to people living through conflict and humanitarian issues in Lebanon, Cuba, Congo, Sudan, and Iran.
• 19:24
  SPEAKER_01: It ended with him mentioning all the people living in America that have to live in fear because of the terrorist organization ICE.
• 19:30
  SPEAKER_01: So, like reading this, it's like it's kind of giving 2006 Dixie chicks that like what he's saying is not that crazy, you know.
• 19:38
  SPEAKER_01: So, what is it about?
• 19:40
  SPEAKER_01: Because I don't, it's not that I don't understand the situation.
• 19:43
  SPEAKER_01: I don't understand why it's automatic that if you say free Palestine, that it's automatically anti-Semitic.
• 19:50
  SPEAKER_01: Like, what is that?
• 19:51
  SPEAKER_01: Why is that?
• 19:52
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, I well, remember the vicious attack at the concert where the October 7th.
• 19:59
  SPEAKER_03: October 7th event.
• 20:00
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 20:00
  SPEAKER_03: And for the audience, it was a horrific event.
• 20:04
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, basically, Muslims came in, slaughtered the Israeli people to the point where Israel is a tiny little dot on the map in the Middle East.
• 20:14
  SPEAKER_03: They are powerful and they've gained their power through creating a very strong military presence aided by the United States of America to protect them.
• 20:24
  SPEAKER_03: So when that attack came, people saw that as a direct anti-Semitic event.
• 20:31
  SPEAKER_03: They were trying to send a signal that Israel was not doing the right things when it came to the Palestinian state.
• 20:39
  SPEAKER_03: They weren't trying to abide by the two-state solution that everybody talks about, be able to live in harmony.
• 20:44
  SPEAKER_03: So the end result was is that aftermath from that event then created this schism that we see now.
• 20:53
  SPEAKER_03: And what's happened is it's become it's us against them.
• 20:58
  SPEAKER_03: And that part of the world is that.
• 20:59
  SPEAKER_01: But like this wasn't this wasn't the beginning, though.
• 21:02
  SPEAKER_01: Like this has been going on.
• 21:03
  SPEAKER_03: I mean this has been going around for hundreds of years.
• 21:06
  SPEAKER_03: The that was an event that triggered this particular round.
• 21:10
  SPEAKER_03: But yeah, no, there has been Israel in 52 when they got the lands in Israel, always knew that they were going to be surrounded by many of the Muslim states, and it was always going to be difficult to maintain security.
• 21:25
  SPEAKER_03: And they've they've done it, they've done it successfully, but they have become a very powerful, they're one of the five strongest militaries in the world.
• 21:34
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 21:35
  SPEAKER_03: A lot of it aided by us, but they view any attack on them as anti-Semitic.
• 21:41
  SPEAKER_03: Why are we aiding them?
• 21:44
  SPEAKER_03: We ate them because they were a democracy versus the autocratic nature of all of the people around them.
• 21:51
  SPEAKER_03: The sanctity of democracy and a lot of the forebears who came to America from there took a Very strong position that the United States of America should support them.
• 22:05
  SPEAKER_03: And we have lived with that for a long time.
• 22:07
  SPEAKER_03: Ever since we created it in 52, we were part of the original creation of it.
• 22:12
  SPEAKER_03: We have been their strongest supporter and strongest ally.
• 22:14
  SPEAKER_03: Now, their politics changes just like our politics.
• 22:19
  SPEAKER_03: Right now, they're aligned.
• 22:20
  SPEAKER_03: Donald Trump's very conservative.
• 22:22
  SPEAKER_03: He believes strongly in that message.
• 22:24
  SPEAKER_03: Netanyahu is very conservative.
• 22:27
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 22:27
  SPEAKER_03: And he belongs in the strong Israel message.
• 22:30
  SPEAKER_03: So you've got an alignment right now.
• 22:33
  SPEAKER_03: I'm not so sure when Congress, if it changes in the midterms, and we'll talk about that in a second, that that alignment is going to stay in place.
• 22:41
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 22:42
  SPEAKER_03: Then I think you may see a difference because they're the ones that will be allocating.
• 22:47
  SPEAKER_03: Whoever wins is the person who allocates the money.
• 22:51
  SPEAKER_03: And we may see a change in that attitude where it becomes a more broad-based attitude to the whole region.
• 22:57
  SPEAKER_01: But aren't they kind of thriving?
• 22:59
  SPEAKER_01: Like, don't they have universal health care and they like have a good like why are we giving them so much money?
• 23:04
  SPEAKER_03: Military is expensive, as we know.
• 23:06
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, we've gone through what 42 billion dollars right now in the Iran war.
• 23:14
  SPEAKER_03: I think that's the estimated price tag.
• 23:17
  SPEAKER_03: It's extraordinarily expensive beyond the capability of, you know, whatever they have, 13 million, 14 million people, way beyond their capability.
• 23:24
  SPEAKER_01: Do you ever think that like a lot of America's problems might be solved if we would just mind our own business sometimes?
• 23:32
  SPEAKER_03: Well, no.
• 23:33
  SPEAKER_03: See, that was Donald Trump's original plan was to mind our own business.
• 23:37
  SPEAKER_03: He called it America first.
• 23:39
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 23:39
  SPEAKER_03: The problem is the world requires you to have hard power, which is our military.
• 23:46
  SPEAKER_03: We have the greatest military in the world.
• 23:48
  SPEAKER_03: We're as strong as the next 12 militaries put together.
• 23:51
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 23:52
  SPEAKER_03: So we have to have hard power.
• 23:54
  SPEAKER_03: But you also have to have soft power.
• 23:56
  SPEAKER_03: And the soft power is one place where, quite frankly, in my own humble opinion, Donald Trump has really let us down in the world.
• 24:05
  SPEAKER_03: Because the soft power are things like USAID in Africa, where now hundreds of thousands of people have died because we did not bring the support in.
• 24:15
  SPEAKER_03: We created allies in many of the African countries by providing food and medicine for people, and we're no longer doing that, and people are dying.
• 24:24
  SPEAKER_03: In the European Union, you know, Trump's philosophy is that they should be paying their fair share, et cetera.
• 24:31
  SPEAKER_03: But what he doesn't understand is that these are the same allies that we've needed when we've gone to the major wars, and these are the people that are behind us.
• 24:40
  SPEAKER_03: The British, obviously in World War II, but also, you know, Australia, for God's sakes.
• 24:46
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, we've had many of the democracies in the world have benefited by our soft power with them.
• 24:52
  SPEAKER_03: We have now expended that political capital.
• 24:56
  SPEAKER_03: We've lost that soft power, and now we've created this hard power in America, but our standing in the world is at really an almost an all-time low, certainly since the end of World War II.
• 25:08
  SPEAKER_03: And we have lost all of the political capital that we built.
• 25:12
  SPEAKER_03: My God, we're at war with Canada, for God's sakes, on stupid stuff.
• 25:17
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, it's like crazy that we, you know, it's crazy that we are expending that kind of political capital, which is the soft power that people talk about.
• 25:28
  SPEAKER_03: And then one of the reasons why America has been so great and has been able to control so many things is they had soft power everywhere in the world.
• 25:37
  SPEAKER_03: That is gonna get a, you know, that is being eroded as rapidly as possible.
• 25:41
  SPEAKER_03: And I do think that's one of the reasons why the midterms, this unchecked Iran war, which was for no reason other than ego, uh, to be able to go in there.
• 25:53
  SPEAKER_03: We already had a nuclear proliferation agreement with them, the Obama record, which was more than sufficient.
• 26:02
  SPEAKER_03: We've now lost the Strait of Hormuz as an open area.
• 26:06
  SPEAKER_03: We don't have anybody monitoring what they're doing.
• 26:09
  SPEAKER_03: We've obliterated them five times.
• 26:10
  SPEAKER_03: Well, how can you obliterate something five times?
• 26:13
  SPEAKER_03: You either obliterate them or you don't.
• 26:14
  SPEAKER_03: We haven't.
• 26:15
  SPEAKER_03: So we are so much worse off in the world today than we were, which is one of the reasons why I think you're gonna see major changes in the midterm elections.
• 26:24
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 26:24
  SPEAKER_01: Wait, so to go back really quick to the Macklemore situation.
• 26:28
  SPEAKER_01: So one of the things that's kind of like a little bit crazy that I was reading about is one of the stadiums that dropped him.
• 26:36
  SPEAKER_01: So Robert Kraft reached out to other people, other stadium owners, and kind of they came to this collective what's the word, ultimatum, essentially.
• 26:47
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 26:47
  SPEAKER_01: One of the stadiums, Raymond James in Tampa, hosted a Kanye West concert two months ago.
• 26:54
  SPEAKER_01: Another ATT in Texas, literally the same day that they joined in this ultimatum was the day that these Kanye West tickets went on sale.
• 27:01
  SPEAKER_01: So Kanye West has praised Hitler.
• 27:05
  SPEAKER_01: He's denied parts of the Holocaust, he sold merch with swastikas on it.
• 27:09
  SPEAKER_01: And that doesn't seem to be a conflict of interest for these stadiums.
• 27:15
  SPEAKER_01: Like, and I don't really understand how that could be because the whole part, like the whole point is that it's anti-Semitic of what McLamore did.
• 27:23
  SPEAKER_01: How that is more offensive, but apparently because Kanye West is the draw, as opposed to the opening act.
• 27:29
  SPEAKER_01: Now, those two stadiums are publicly owned.
• 27:33
  SPEAKER_01: So where does the being publicly owned being kind of a it's kind of a government entity, right?
• 27:38
  SPEAKER_01: Well, they're not publicly owned.
• 27:39
  SPEAKER_03: They actually are not publicly owned.
• 27:41
  SPEAKER_03: They were publicly subsidized, but they're not publicly owned.
• 27:44
  SPEAKER_03: ATT Stadium is owned by the Jones family.
• 27:47
  SPEAKER_03: They're the Dallas Cowboys.
• 27:48
  SPEAKER_03: Raymond James is the Shaw family.
• 27:50
  SPEAKER_03: They own the uh not the Shaw family, the family uh that owns the Tampa Bay Buccaneers.
• 27:57
  SPEAKER_03: So they are actually privately held with heavy public subsidies.
• 28:00
  SPEAKER_03: But if they were public buildings, then free speech would come into play.
• 28:04
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 28:05
  SPEAKER_03: So if if you're in a public, if you're in a public facility, if you're in a park, you cannot stop anybody from saying anything.
• 28:11
  SPEAKER_03: That's a government entity, a sidewalk.
• 28:14
  SPEAKER_03: You can't stop anybody on a sidewalk.
• 28:16
  SPEAKER_03: That's where the First Amendment comes in.
• 28:18
  SPEAKER_03: The fine line is private facilities, all the way down to shopping malls, for example, have a protection of privacy rights.
• 28:27
  SPEAKER_03: And the owners can determine at that point who they want to have in and who they don't want to have in.
• 28:33
  SPEAKER_03: So they do have the power because it's not a government act.
• 28:37
  SPEAKER_03: So you could make the argument that ATT has enough of a subsidy that it has an obligation to the public.
• 28:45
  SPEAKER_03: You could make that argument that it's not as strong at Gillette because more craft money went into the Gillette stadium than ATT and Raymond James.
• 28:54
  SPEAKER_01: Well, they're saying they like went after the promoters, too.
• 28:57
  SPEAKER_01: So they like pressured the promoters to drop them, which is kind of what we thought.
• 29:01
  SPEAKER_03: Well, promoters, quite frankly, they're subject to the the private, you know, a private owner can tell a promoter, you're in or you're out.
• 29:08
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 29:09
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, they that's where they put the pressure on.
• 29:11
  SPEAKER_03: The crafts have a long Robert Kraft has a long history of doing this.
• 29:15
  SPEAKER_03: He's not, this is not unique to him.
• 29:17
  SPEAKER_01: It's like being a billionaire, like relax.
• 29:20
  SPEAKER_03: The others do not.
• 29:22
  SPEAKER_03: Uh like the Jones family, they're more capitalistic.
• 29:25
  SPEAKER_03: They're you know, if if he can fill up the 76,000 people at ATT, he's gonna fill up.
• 29:30
  SPEAKER_01: If if Macklemore was the one selling out the stadiums, then it would be it might be a different, might be a whole different story.
• 29:37
  SPEAKER_03: What would you the economics are different?
• 29:39
  SPEAKER_01: So your like your main job has always been kind of in PR.
• 29:44
  SPEAKER_01: And what would you have advised?
• 29:47
  SPEAKER_01: Like, what would you have advised Ed Sharon to do in this situation?
• 29:51
  SPEAKER_01: Because he was really in kind of a tough spot.
• 29:53
  SPEAKER_01: I think looking back on it, seeing the public outcry, if he could have known how bad it was going to be, I feel like he probably would have stood his ground a little bit more with Mac Moore because he was the one that invited him on tour.
• 30:05
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, I think you're exactly right.
• 30:07
  SPEAKER_03: Usually the people that are the opening acts for these people are at the hand-picked invitation of the people.
• 30:13
  SPEAKER_03: Sharon, being a British, probably does not really truly understand the magnitude of what's been happening.
• 30:22
  SPEAKER_03: If he did, he probably would have taken a stronger stand, maybe canceled some of the I look at Taylor Swift.
• 30:28
  SPEAKER_03: If the same thing happened to Taylor Swift, she would cancel her concerts because her mindset is a different kind of mindset.
• 30:34
  SPEAKER_03: This is a person coming from overseas, loves the idea that he can fill up a 70,000-person stadium.
• 30:41
  SPEAKER_01: So well, Taylor Swift also like hates disappointing her fans.
• 30:46
  SPEAKER_01: So I feel like she would be more concerned with like the appearance of it.
• 30:51
  SPEAKER_01: But I'm also wondering just how much like how this is gonna be like his whole band dropped out, all of the opening acts dropped out.
• 30:59
  SPEAKER_03: Like that's not Taylor Swift probably wouldn't have picked as controversial opening act, so so she's a little bit, but the reason I'd bring it up is she's much more principled as an American, understanding the situation.
• 31:13
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, she may have you know, but she's just smaller.
• 31:16
  SPEAKER_03: She just avoided all together.
• 31:17
  SPEAKER_03: She avoids it altogether.
• 31:18
  SPEAKER_01: You know what's funny though?
• 31:20
  SPEAKER_01: Like, people are so mad at him about being apolitical.
• 31:23
  SPEAKER_01: And literally two weeks ago, Dolly Parton died.
• 31:26
  SPEAKER_01: And like one of the big things everyone always said about her that was so great was that she's apolitical.
• 31:31
  SPEAKER_01: She was, but I mean, she made it very clear what her politics were without ever actually saying it.
• 31:37
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 31:38
  SPEAKER_01: And it's just so funny because it's just such a different time.
• 31:40
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 31:41
  SPEAKER_01: You just kind of can't like I feel like she wouldn't have gotten away with it the way that she's gonna be honest with you.
• 31:45
  SPEAKER_03: From a PR perspective, I would have rather had Robert Kraft and tell Robert Kraft, let it go.
• 31:50
  SPEAKER_03: Just stay out of the fray.
• 31:52
  SPEAKER_03: This is not the place to pick it up because I gotta tell you, he's gonna be hurt down the road.
• 31:57
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, a lot of people, particularly the younger people, they have really honed in on the whole situation in Gaza.
• 32:06
  SPEAKER_03: And and I think it's gonna hurt the long-term attendance of not only concerts, but it could help hurt his own sports teams, the revolution and and the Patriots.
• 32:16
  SPEAKER_03: So I if if from a PR perspective, I think I probably would have been a lot tougher on him trying to explain to him why you are dipping your toe into an area you really don't have to.
• 32:27
  SPEAKER_01: And like one of the things that one of my friends and I were talking about, I was like, he just looks like such a loser.
• 32:33
  SPEAKER_00: Like he just, you know, like it's just yeah, he's a good thing.
• 32:36
  SPEAKER_00: I know, but you know what I mean?
• 32:37
  SPEAKER_00: Like, it's just what are you doing?
• 32:38
  SPEAKER_03: You're just son Jonathan has to be like having nightmares about what's gonna happen.
• 32:44
  SPEAKER_03: Because Jonathan's much younger, he's the he's the heir apparent, but yeah.
• 32:50
  SPEAKER_03: Not unlike what we have in the presidency right now, somebody who's just does whatever they want to do without long-term consequence.
• 32:57
  SPEAKER_03: You know, they're doing short-term consequences.
• 32:58
  SPEAKER_01: Because what does he care?
• 32:59
  SPEAKER_03: He's got his billions, right?
• 33:01
  SPEAKER_03: He's gonna be out of office and you know, have 10 billion by the time he leaves.
• 33:05
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, so let's move on to I want to talk about Trump banning the press from because this is hitting right now.
• 33:12
  SPEAKER_01: This is like today, essentially yesterday and today.
• 33:15
  SPEAKER_01: He decided that because he doesn't like it.
• 33:17
  SPEAKER_01: Well, apparently, what's the woman?
• 33:19
  SPEAKER_01: Natalie Harp.
• 33:21
  SPEAKER_01: Natalie Harp I'm obsessed with this situation.
• 33:23
  SPEAKER_01: Did you see the thing?
• 33:24
  SPEAKER_01: So the whole thing is Natalie Harp is supposedly his like lackey.
• 33:27
  SPEAKER_01: She's the person that prints out all the social media posts about him and like gives it to him.
• 33:32
  SPEAKER_01: And the whole thing is that she's kind of the jokes, like the videos online, are that she's like hiding under his bed and she'll just appear and be like, Here, Mr.
• 33:38
  SPEAKER_01: Trump, what do you need?
• 33:39
  SPEAKER_01: And then they have the video of her running behind his golf cart.
• 33:42
  SPEAKER_01: Did you see that one?
• 33:43
  SPEAKER_01: Like, so funny.
• 33:45
  SPEAKER_01: But apparently she's told him about a lot of things that that's what I read that like she kind of has kept him in the loop about a lot of the negative things that people have been saying, and he just decided to bathe.
• 33:56
  SPEAKER_03: Not as many, not as many as she should.
• 33:59
  SPEAKER_03: She's actually a tool.
• 34:01
  SPEAKER_03: They have so much trouble controlling him because he's prone to just saying and doing things.
• 34:08
  SPEAKER_03: For example, the banning of MS Now, CNN, and Politico was done while his chief of staff was away.
• 34:16
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 34:17
  SPEAKER_03: So he did that on his own.
• 34:19
  SPEAKER_03: He does these flights of fancy.
• 34:22
  SPEAKER_03: Number one, it's gonna be knocked down.
• 34:24
  SPEAKER_03: The case law, the federal case law is you just can't unilaterally ban these people.
• 34:29
  SPEAKER_03: And you saw what happened today.
• 34:31
  SPEAKER_03: I don't know, maybe you didn't, but this afternoon, the major networks, including Fox.
• 34:37
  SPEAKER_01: Wasn't Fox like one of the spearheads?
• 34:39
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, Fox is the Fox is part of the pool, and the five major networks, CBS, ABC, NBC, Fox News, and one of the uh other right wing, they came together and said, we are no longer gonna do a pooled event.
• 34:57
  SPEAKER_03: So you don't have any audio at those events.
• 35:00
  SPEAKER_01: Oh my god, did you see the did you see the thing where they had the press conference and you couldn't hear it?
• 35:05
  SPEAKER_03: Because there's no audio because there's no pooled person doing it.
• 35:09
  SPEAKER_03: And they did it as a as a way of showing support for the other three who filed lawsuit today in federal court.
• 35:17
  SPEAKER_03: This happened with Robert Acosta probably about four years Trump won, during Trump won, yeah, and he was reinstated to the to the White House.
• 35:27
  SPEAKER_03: So that's where First Amendment goes under the government entity.
• 35:32
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 35:32
  SPEAKER_03: And so the First Amendment does mean something because this is a public purpose and a government, not a private purpose.
• 35:38
  SPEAKER_03: I think they'll all be restored.
• 35:40
  SPEAKER_03: He's gonna have egg on his face.
• 35:42
  SPEAKER_03: Natalie Harp, one of the things that she's been told to do is you she monitors and screens the bad news.
• 35:49
  SPEAKER_03: So we don't think that he is getting, like, for example, his overall favorability rating right now is a negative 25%.
• 35:59
  SPEAKER_03: So he's what they call upside down.
• 36:02
  SPEAKER_03: In the political world that I'm in, somebody's upside down, which means your favorable is 25 points under your unfavorable.
• 36:09
  SPEAKER_03: That is a brutal number.
• 36:11
  SPEAKER_03: And when it comes to the midterms, it's going to be a defining number as to why they lose seats because of his unfavorability.
• 36:18
  SPEAKER_03: Nobody's sure.
• 36:20
  SPEAKER_03: He keeps every time they do there's a couple of Republican polls out there that try to bolster him by doing fake polls.
• 36:28
  SPEAKER_03: He always talks about the fake news.
• 36:29
  SPEAKER_03: They do fake polls and they oversample Republicans to get a better number for him.
• 36:34
  SPEAKER_03: And that's what Natalie Hopp reports to him.
• 36:36
  SPEAKER_03: So he thinks he's running around with a 46 favorability with the first time.
• 36:39
  SPEAKER_03: Which is crazy.
• 36:41
  SPEAKER_01: The fact that anyone would think that would be a good idea with somebody that has so much power.
• 37:02
  SPEAKER_03: What you do is if you want to get a number, instead of doing a normal Republican sample of 36 or 37 percent, you do a 44 or 45 and you lower the Democratic number and you get you get the number you want.
• 37:15
  SPEAKER_03: Trafalgar Group is the they're the best at it.
• 37:18
  SPEAKER_03: They do it every single week, and they they call it hurting, where the two or three Republican pulses all do it on the same day.
• 37:26
  SPEAKER_03: So it drives his average number up, but it they're all fake polls.
• 37:29
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 37:30
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, so uh Mitch McConnell.
• 37:33
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 37:34
  SPEAKER_01: What's going on there?
• 37:35
  SPEAKER_03: It's just sad.
• 37:36
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, he's obviously you know, he's on the verge of of dying.
• 37:41
  SPEAKER_03: He just doesn't have anything left.
• 37:43
  SPEAKER_01: So they're just propping him up to keep it.
• 37:45
  SPEAKER_03: They're propping him up because they need his vote.
• 37:47
  SPEAKER_03: The Senate is very fragile.
• 37:49
  SPEAKER_03: It's it's a 53-47 place, but without him, it goes to 52.
• 37:54
  SPEAKER_03: And then you've got Murkowski and Collins, and some of the actually some of the others who are hanging on by a thread in there.
• 38:01
  SPEAKER_03: So they've got to be really careful with their votes, or they'll knock themselves out of office.
• 38:06
  SPEAKER_03: Houston and Ohio is he's got a really tough situation right now.
• 38:11
  SPEAKER_03: Cornyn, he went in and defeated Cornyn.
• 38:14
  SPEAKER_03: He defeated the guy in Louisiana, the doctor from Louisiana.
• 38:19
  SPEAKER_03: So now his 5347 is not so legit anymore.
• 38:24
  SPEAKER_03: And on any given vote, they can't get the vote.
• 38:27
  SPEAKER_03: So that's why they're propping out.
• 38:29
  SPEAKER_03: It's weekend at Bernie's when it comes.
• 38:31
  SPEAKER_01: I saw the one where he like accidentally almost voted, what was it, nay?
• 38:35
  SPEAKER_01: And then we're going to be able to do it.
• 38:37
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, he went in there and he wasn't even sure whether it was right or wrong.
• 38:39
  SPEAKER_03: I know.
• 38:40
  SPEAKER_03: And they got Chuck Grassley from Iowa, he's 92 years old.
• 38:44
  SPEAKER_03: Same thing.
• 38:44
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, the staff is whispering in his ear.
• 38:47
  SPEAKER_01: Any world in which term limits can be enacted?
• 38:52
  SPEAKER_03: I have never been a proponent of either an age requirement or term limits, because I always felt that the greatest term limit was the election box.
• 39:02
  SPEAKER_03: But now that we've seen what gerrymandering can actually do, it doesn't work in the obviously doesn't work in the Senate races, which is why I'm thinking about an age thing.
• 39:12
  SPEAKER_03: But I am I have changed my mind.
• 39:15
  SPEAKER_03: I I've actually seen it now, where my generation, the baby boomer generation, has done a disservice to democracy by allowing all these people to continue.
• 39:27
  SPEAKER_03: And I am now of the mindset there should be an 18-year term limit for the Senate, for the House, and for the Supreme Court.
• 39:34
  SPEAKER_03: And I think there should be an age requirement that nobody who's 70 or over should be able to run for office or will be over 70.
• 39:44
  SPEAKER_03: You know, if you're over 70, you have to get elected, but you have to be under 70 to run for office.
• 39:50
  SPEAKER_03: I'm watching how we're pigs.
• 39:52
  SPEAKER_03: And I hate to say this because it's my generation.
• 39:55
  SPEAKER_03: I'm 74 years old.
• 39:57
  SPEAKER_03: I lost off my fastball.
• 40:00
  SPEAKER_03: There is no question in my mind about that.
• 40:02
  SPEAKER_03: So at the end of the day, we have just become so greedy to be able to make changes that benefit us, the baby boomer generation, that we've lost sight of what's best for democracy.
• 40:15
  SPEAKER_03: And I've changed my attitude on term limits and age limits.
• 40:19
  SPEAKER_03: And I think that both needs to be instituted so we can never again have people take over like our generation has taken over and cook the books.
• 40:28
  SPEAKER_03: We've cooked the books to hurt young people.
• 40:31
  SPEAKER_03: The income inequality in this country is an abomination.
• 40:35
  SPEAKER_03: And one of the reasons why these young people people keep saying to me, Oh, these damn democratic socialists.
• 40:41
  SPEAKER_03: We did that.
• 40:42
  SPEAKER_03: We created them.
• 40:44
  SPEAKER_03: You're bitching and moaning, but you took their money and you left them with high college debt, the inability to buy a house, the inability to get the car loan, and then you wonder why they're upset and voting the way they're voting.
• 40:57
  SPEAKER_03: We created it.
• 40:58
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 40:59
  SPEAKER_01: No, I I agree.
• 41:00
  SPEAKER_01: I think it's it's just sad because it's like it's so hard to look at because the people at different ages have different capabilities.
• 41:08
  SPEAKER_01: So, like sure, like, yeah, there are people who are older who can do it.
• 41:12
  SPEAKER_03: There's exceptions to every rule, but we just gotta somehow put an end to this.
• 41:17
  SPEAKER_03: And I I do think the 18 years, nine terms if you're a congressman, three terms if you're a senator, and just a straight 18-year term for the Supreme Court, and have it staggered so that people are coming off all of the time.
• 41:29
  SPEAKER_03: If if it if there's nine, then somebody goes every you know two years.
• 41:34
  SPEAKER_03: You know, I mean that's the way it's gonna be.
• 41:36
  SPEAKER_03: And I just think that Is there is there like a path for that?
• 41:40
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, I think there is.
• 41:41
  SPEAKER_03: I think there is.
• 41:42
  SPEAKER_03: I think I think we people are so angry right now that we're electing younger and younger people, yeah.
• 41:48
  SPEAKER_03: And the Mendamis of the world are gonna translate over to a younger Congress.
• 41:53
  SPEAKER_03: And at some point, I hate to say it, but these baby boomers are all gonna die.
• 41:58
  SPEAKER_03: And when when they're when they're gone, you're gonna see a change in attitude.
• 42:02
  SPEAKER_03: And I think that's when you'll see the change in the country.
• 42:05
  SPEAKER_03: I'm like the electoral college.
• 42:06
  SPEAKER_03: How can we not have one person one vote?
• 42:08
  SPEAKER_03: It's ridiculous that we don't have one person.
• 42:11
  SPEAKER_01: I could not agree.
• 42:12
  SPEAKER_01: The electoral college is crazy to me.
• 42:14
  SPEAKER_01: You know, I remember the last time, the first time that you were on, we were talking about it with Greg, and he was saying how it was a fair representation.
• 42:22
  SPEAKER_01: And I was like, thinking, I was thinking about it after, and I'm like, but is it really fair?
• 42:26
  SPEAKER_01: Because you living in Rhode Island, your vote doesn't count towards the presidency.
• 42:30
  SPEAKER_01: You know, if you're a Republican in Rhode Island or in a state that's always blue, your vote just gets thrown.
• 42:37
  SPEAKER_01: And like that's crazy.
• 42:39
  SPEAKER_03: Well, think about it worse than that.
• 42:41
  SPEAKER_03: California has 42 million people, Wyoming has 700,000.
• 42:46
  SPEAKER_03: They both have two electoral colleges from the Senate.
• 42:48
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, like it's it's just it we should be a one person, one vote country.
• 42:53
  SPEAKER_03: That was put, by the way, it was put in in 1782 to protect white land plantation owners and to protect them because they were afraid of the masses being able to come up.
• 43:03
  SPEAKER_03: So we gave disproportionate power to people back way back when, and we've never changed it, and we should change it.
• 43:10
  SPEAKER_03: But that one's that one is another one that's gonna be generational change.
• 43:13
  SPEAKER_03: It's not gonna happen.
• 43:14
  SPEAKER_03: It won't happen in my lifetime, but it will happen.
• 43:17
  SPEAKER_01: The fact that we've had more than one occasion where the person who got the most votes did not become the president is Oh, it's it it's it's it's happened four times this decade.
• 43:27
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, this this century.
• 43:29
  SPEAKER_03: Four times it's happened this century.
• 43:31
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, uh Hillary Clinton won Hillary Clinton won by almost four million votes.
• 43:36
  SPEAKER_03: Kamala Harris got beat in this last popular election, but prior to that, Al Gore had way more votes than George Bush had when that election came.
• 43:45
  SPEAKER_03: Hillary Clinton clocked Trump.
• 43:47
  SPEAKER_03: It was uh it may be closer to five million votes, but the Electoral College saved him.
• 43:52
  SPEAKER_01: And you have to wonder how many people stay home because they don't think their vote matters.
• 43:59
  SPEAKER_03: There's no question about it.
• 44:00
  SPEAKER_03: It it's anti-democratic the way we do it.
• 44:03
  SPEAKER_03: Why we don't do one person, one vote is just it's it's mind-boggling to me.
• 44:08
  SPEAKER_01: Well, hopefully it'll change.
• 44:10
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 44:10
  SPEAKER_01: All right, I think that's that about covers it.
• 44:13
  SPEAKER_03: Okay, um, all right, this has been great.
• 44:15
  SPEAKER_03: It's I always I always enjoy coming on.
• 44:17
  SPEAKER_03: I know um we always enjoy having an audience.
• 44:20
  SPEAKER_03: I'm not your regular audience kind of guy, but I hope you learn something and get motivated.
• 44:25
  SPEAKER_01: Exactly.
• 44:25
  SPEAKER_01: I think that a lot of people, it's very confusing, and you do a great job at explaining it out.
• 44:31
  SPEAKER_01: So we appreciate it and we're very appreciative of having you come on.
• 44:34
  SPEAKER_01: All right.
• 44:35
  SPEAKER_01: And on that note, we will see you next week.