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John Madden Deadpool: Betty White Dies & Sony Snubs 2016 Ghostbusters · Multiple Nerdgasm

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  [Music] welcome to multiple
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  nerdgasm with your hosts Matt Luke and
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  Dan multiple nerdgasm your guide to All
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  Things nerdy I'm a little pissed off to start the year okay I'm part of a Deadpool
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  where each year we have to pick the first person who's going to die for the
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  year M ah this year I picked someone who I didn't want to die but thought their
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  time was coming and you were going to make sure they died Betty White [ __ ]
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  died on the 31st of December and doesn't count I think that was probably her
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  biggest regret as she was dying was that she let you down she like just hold out
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  till midnight so that Luke gets the Deadpool also they did film that TV
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  special about me me reaching 100 so that that probably cost a lot of money I
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  should probably try and no here I go I'm gone so they're going to have to redo
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  that the titles at least surely right the
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  [Laughter] oh they're going to air it right that's what they said cuz like [ __ ] it we
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  already did it it's it's like when I went to the North Pole to film a a TV
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  special and then we couldn't get to the actual North Pole the 90° North so they
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  changed the name of it to the 89° North and it's like I
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  mean close pretty close so you so you've not been to the North Pole then I've not
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  technically been at the North Pole have to CL
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  yours yep no it kills me it kills me that I
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  got so close I know cuz when you going to go back stand on there
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  exactly yeah yeah you know what annoys me and I mean I can easily still do this
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  but I've I never went to New Zealand yeah I've never been to New Zealand
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  either but it'll be a big deal for you to go there now don't bother no but like
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  it's so and people go how have you been to New Zealand I'm
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  like no didn't bother lived there for years never bothered I haven't been to
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  South Australia new zealanders are going to hate this um it's just a small version
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  of Australia all right well farewell to all
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  New Zealand listeners there is one thing I definitely don't like about New
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  Zealand but we'll talk about book of Bubba ped later
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  okay so Betty White sadly has passed we're going to get geek of the week out
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  of the way early yeah we just start the year with geek of the week I got a
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  couple handful of candidates for you before we do that before we do that
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  I should just apologize to the listeners we didn't tell anyone we were going to
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  take a break and I know that because told each other yeah and I know that
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  because people asked me what was going on and I said we're taking a break for
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  the holidays well I must admit cuz I knew we were taking a break but on
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  Thursday I still was refreshing my feed
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  cuz I usually [ __ ] I really can't remember what I said I really try I Tred
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  to time walking my dog on Thursday mornings with when the feed comes out
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  and I was like what no Charlie stand by mate we got I've got to wait for this
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  yeah I've got to listen to myself cuz I'm a Nast record one yeah I just got to
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  make sure I don't have to make any apologies yeah that is a
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  concern for me generally I don't have that problem no cuz you don't you just
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  cuz you're a sociopath [Laughter]
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  so we got we got Betty White uh obviously I mean need we say more I
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  think everyone's going to know 99.9 most famous for Golden Girls I
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  would say right is anything she was already old dead but she'd had a career
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  that spared years decades say most people probably don't even remember
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  golden go she's just famous for being a famous old lady yeah she's she's the
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  famous old lady from the Snickers commercials yeah Snickers like gold
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  girls were sort of old when we were young as well like we were watching reruns it wasn't
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  also the oldest woman was the youngest cast member so [ __ ] weird is that
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  true yeah cuz you know there were four old women and then one of their moms and
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  one the woman who played the mum was younger than the rest of them no wow cuz
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  I think I think the Golden Girls were meant to be in their 50s right which is
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  actually not that
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  old well say that now as as three guys
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  back back where we saw looking at 50 on the horizon actually that was very funny
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  I used to watch that it it was very well
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  written sure what was Sam Harris's mom I
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  think is that right I think I think she was involved in the oh I'm adding
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  someone else speaking of someone's Mom I'm adding someone else to the geek of
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  the week that I forgot about okay but yeah obviously she was I mean Betty
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  White yeah long career well famous even before Golden Girls Just I think she's
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  most known for that I think it's quite obvious why she's a candidate another
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  person I think is probably quite obvious uh is John Madden I'd be surprised if
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  any of our listeners don't know who John Madden is although they might not know
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  about the actual John Madden well although they probably know
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  about the actual John Madden but they probably don't remember why he was or I
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  know him as the guy who whose name is on the football games right I don't know
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  him as as I I don't know what he did before I assume he was a football player
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  he was a football player and then became a commentator okay and then became a
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  game developer well he sort of did well he's a programmer yeah I don't think he
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  ever developed a game had something to do with it and he
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  accepted a check every year no I think he came in he fixed a few bugs closed a
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  few
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  tickets I'm sure he did wall around the
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  office but he's died uh he did die did he die of Co did any of these people on
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  the list of Co I don't think so I we not are we not using the c
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  word any of these [ __ ] die
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  of I think Betty White's people made it very clear that she did not they tried
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  they actually came out and they said there were like they saw one post on the
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  internet and they were like just to be she [ __ ] didn't yeah she's just
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  [ __ ] old when you're 99 you don't have to have a cause of death right yeah it's
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  precarious um I don't know about the [ __ ] Herald overdose um another
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  person we've got a bunch I guess cuz we haven't done an episode in like a month
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  uh Anne Rice died this was this was last early December is Anne Rice died uh
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  althor of The Vampire Diaries very vampire di chronic stop you there The
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  Vampire Diaries yeah influencer of the vamp she invented
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  vampires didn't she she did back in the uh back in medieval times yeah she did
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  yeah y yeah uh not a vampire
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  clearly so time will tell Matt yeah time will tell if she releases another book
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  this year yeah yeah well when was the last time you read an an rice book or
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  even paid attention to when books came out from her she um even in the vampire
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  Chronicles I must admit I've been ignoring them 20 years now she famously
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  wrote The Vampire Chronicles uh which in later books dealt directly with certain
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  religious aspects that made it clear that she was not a fan of of say God or
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  Christians in general then she became a born- again Christian and uh came out
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  and said that all of her work was trash and that no one should read it h and
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  then she then was a born again atheist after that and said actually my books
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  are good here's some more of them do you think it had something to do with the
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  fact that uh she realized that she gets checks from that and she kept collecting
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  the checks after saying don't read it she hypocrite I've seen her house in New
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  Orleans and I think she was fine I think she was well fine yeah but think a rates
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  on that yeah probably true lot of security cameras on that house oh yeah
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  she doesn't she doesn't want to see she wasn't she doesn't want visitors no no
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  cuz it's a beautiful old you know new orleansyoutube
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  right scenario where you're like that kind of ruins the look a bit is there
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  any point in trying to be an author now I know what you me authors that money
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  yeah I think about this all the time no at this point no but all the authors
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  that sort of will make money and quite rich and well looked after are all like
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  from 30 years ago they had books coming at least probably a lot longer I mean
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  jking is the big is probably the most and still that's like 30 years
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  he's doing all right I think you can yeah yeah but new Authors I think it's
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  tougher than ever I think it's tougher than ever and I think about this well
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  competition's tough same with musicians but that's the thing right cuz sometimes
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  you read these Classics and you're like if there were more books written this
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  year then this would not be a classic like sure you know like there was just
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  there were just far fewer authors writing far fewer books I think it's
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  probably like that with most creative works right video games same thing right
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  there's just so many now music uh film stuff you got YouTube you got it's just
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  so so much competition even it's funny though with music though cuz you get
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  this Cruis that a lot of like popular music starting to sound the same it's
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  because the popular music has been written by the same like handful of
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  people yes that's right that just go you sing this one you sing this one you sing
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  that one and that's why that's sort of all the same it's just sort of this this
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  handful of people that have been doing it for years instead of deciding what's
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  popular YouTube is interesting because I would rather like you know there's a
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  handful of you know the films that Define us and all these kind of and you
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  know what was that Netflix show about the video games retro video games and
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  stuff I don't watch any of those right even though that interests me greatly
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  because I would rather go to YouTube and watch some amateur dude just sit in his
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  bedroom and tell me about that stuff cuz I know he's going to connect with me far
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  more than some Polish Netflix documentary CU he actually cares about
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  it instead of uh there's a guy who does he he's doing retrospectives of all the
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  Witcher games like one two and and three is on the way and they're like six hours
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  long oh God and I love them yeah God that first game was a strange
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  game well that's why the the the first game his his retrospective is great
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  because it it first of all I mean I don't have to play the game again right
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  but he summarizes that the ending of the game is it's actually pretty great the
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  story and everything but it doesn't hold your hand in any way so he he kind of
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  goes through it all but like if you weren't paying attention you'd probably
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  miss it all and you'd be like that was weird well I remember when I was we were
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  living together and I was kind to give that a go and you were like Dan maybe
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  just skip to the second one maybe just play that well it's tough and then it
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  should skip to the third one because the the it's clunky to play the first one I
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  mean it's great but it the gam play is clunky the story is but you also you
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  have to pay so much attention and read things cuz you need to work out how to
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  kill monsters you need to work out which oil there's a lot of reading you need to
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  do first yeah well I mean in resar for a game that's what like 20 years old now
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  at the end of the game you kind of do a Time shift and you end up in this like
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  frozen land and there's this guy there and it turns out the guy that you fight
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  at the end is the kid that you've been looking after throughout the whole game
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  but he never tells you that you only only know because when he dies at the
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  end of you kill him he happens to have like a necklace on that if you vaguely
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  remember someone gave that to the kid earlier on in the game like it's just
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  nothing is spelled out like such a long game as well exactly yeah you really
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  just have to pay attention that reminds me and just looping back to [ __ ] about
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  video games I watch on YouTube I watch this great video essay on um just how
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  dark the ending of Double Dragon is if you really think about it oh yeah fight
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  each other yeah because that's but the thing is right Dave always used to talk
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  about how him and his brother used to go up and just put money in Double Dragon
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  every day at the arcade to try to get to the end of it and never could and then
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  one day they were on an absolute role they got to the very end and then had to
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  fight each other spawny won and Dave walked home crying right I always
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  thought about that but I never really thought about the fact that in game two
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  brothers have gone on this epic [ __ ] quest to rescue one of them's
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  girlfriend finally do then kill each other now the girl will
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  go with whomever survives right who
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  wi right so either the guy who rescued his girlfriend then murders his own
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  brother who helped him and then goes off with the girl for no reason or the guy
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  who helped his brother find the girl then murders his brother and gets with
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  the girl either way it's [ __ ] dark that's weird yeah but I can imagine some
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  nerd in like the the 80s being like
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  women water a [ __ ] yeah this probably happened yeah um except they were
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  probably Japanese yeah but I yeah didn't want to do the voice Matt no I'm kidding
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  don't do the voice no of course not well I'll take this opportunity to just add a
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  fourth Contender geek of the week to geek of the week right um Michael
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  Nesmith died this week do you know who that is no okay simply he was one of the
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  monkeys right oh okay one of the monkeys um mhm incredibly talented reran
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  musician right MH also the guy whose idea it was to start MTV cuz he was
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  after the monkeys finished he was like you know what would be great a TV
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  channel that was just music videos cuz for our younger listeners that's what
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  MTV used to be yeah yeah um and the reason I remembered this is because you
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  were talking about um Sam Harris's mom Michael Nas's mom was the inventor of
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  Liquid Paper all right yeah do you know I have
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  not used Liquid Paper in a long time and I have not heard about Liquid Paper in a
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  long time right which sounds like an old thing to say except they use it all the
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  time in forged in
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  fire oh to coat um billets of Steel when they're going to when they're going to
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  forge things and so like they're always using Liquid Paper and I keep thinking
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  [ __ ] so that's what people use Liquid Paper for these days wow yeah I guess
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  because nobody uses typewriters exactly which was original no writes anything
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  with a pen anymore
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  yeah Pap you'd know one of his songs he wrote Different Drum which was made
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  Popular by the um the stone ponies Linda ronstan um but his version of it is much
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  more country cuz that's his style but he passed away great guy there you go read
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  his book very interesting guy did you read his book Luke no did you read any
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  of for him then yeah I tried to read one of her books which one could have get
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  into it did you interview a vampire okay yeah no no that was one of the greats
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  not not by far not not the best even in that series though I must say no I like
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  Meck the devil to be honest me the devil is absolutely great tale of the body
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  Thief is no that's Queen of the Damned me the devil is number five well sorry
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  sto after that yeah you were right too you were
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  right weird Side characters that had no right getting their own books got their
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  own books after that right yeah I think I think the next one after that was
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  Armand and I was like ah I'm good David Talbert got his own book eventually the
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  just the dude who was hanging out with him not a
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  vampire look I think the only one I'm going to be able to give he's going to
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  pick probably he's just Betty White look you can't give it to Betty White she's
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  dead oh I see what you're saying my bad I bet the title of geek at a week well sorry
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  I'm just reading here I I think she took her own life so I don't think she
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  qualifies you heard her here first she intentionally got so old that her body
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  couldn't sustain her no it's it's it's Prett
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  white we yeah I you know whated I'm sorry I
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  knew I knew he was going to do that do you play the Madden games yeah yeah I
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  play them I don't enjoy them but there's achievements to be had never played you
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  using John for his achievements yep well he's not unlocked achievement
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  geek of the week no he has not Michael nesm was sort of close really on what
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  basis may I ask look going on to have the idea for like MTV and stuff like
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  that okay all right all right I was I wasn't sure if you had a pre-existing
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  familiarity with him something but he didn't eat Snickers bars with Mr T so in the
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  end that's what did him in and that's where he went from for all we know for
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  all we know he might have Betty White geek of the week
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  surprising nobody I'm sure yeah I'm still upset with [Music]
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  her you should have you should have resolved few more hours see now you'll
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  always regret it it's like one of those songs about how it's too late now when
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  they're gone mhm oh Luke please write a song please write a song about
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  white about and have every verse be about just how much you wanted her to
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  hold on to life and then only in the
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  very last verse you because you lost a
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  bet look guys it's been a couple of weeks as Matt said we never told anyone
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  we're going on Christmas Hiatus but we did um a lot has happened a lot of
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  movies have come out a lot of TV shows have come out a lot of celebrities have
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  done weird stuff I mean we've got so much to talk about I don't even know
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  where to start I've seen one in the movies go on let's talk about that I saw
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  Ghostbusters afterlife I saw that too but I saw it this morning got released
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  in austral I've got about 20 minutes to go so hold on don't no spoilers but we
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  can talk about than 20 minutes of it okay well what I can say is look it's
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  definitely a family movie okay I really liked it liked it I really like it
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  hon my daughter doesn't give a [ __ ] what she's watching as long as well she
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  likes that's a nice way of saying it's for kids and it is it's it's a it's for
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  kids yeah but that's fine but it' be a good movie to sit down and watch if like
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  you grew up watching Ghostbusters and you had about 10 year olds or around
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  that age sit and watch perfect because I was trying to figure out who the target
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  audience for this cuz kids don't give a [ __ ] about Ghostbusters right that don't
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  give a [ __ ] about this Fran last however people our age in their 40s who watched
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  in the ' 80s and who now have kids do so I think you're exactly right yes yeah
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  that's we exactly the Target and and please finish watching at last 20
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  minutes I got a little Tory I love this movie I think this is
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  so Charming it's not look it it goes to prove that Ghostbusters itself was just
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  a flash in a pan man like I mean this this could have been not Ghostbusters
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  this could have been not Ghostbusters and they just clicked find and replace
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  and and changed the name to ghost it could have just been its own movie but
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  it's made in the style of the 80s I I would have loved this as a kid great 80s
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  style Adventure movie 80s style music like musical SC that sounds like John
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  Williams off Cuts like it's just it made me really happy to watch maybe I'll I'll
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  see maybe we watch it tonight I'll see we got the final episode of something
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  I'm going to talk about in a bit to go but but I would like I'd really do want
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  to watch this yeah it took me a long time to be able to watch it because I
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  just kept pushing the release Dat Back in Australia but well it also didn't end
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  up on a Pirate Bay until this week so I had to wait as
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  well I'm not going to the [ __ ] movies everyone here has Co and it's so weird 2
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  years in we've been panicking about Co I didn't know anyone with Co now everyone
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  I know has it and I'm not leaving the
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  house movies are coming out on streaming stuff but that's slowing right so we we
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  got that for a bit and now they've slowed C are reopening Spider-Man proved
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  that people still go to the movies and spend a billion dollars yeah so I I
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  haven't seen Spider-Man I know Luke you've seen that right um not I haven't
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  seen Spider-Man yet I think what I think the reason why that started slow down is
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  all the actors were going no we want that theater money yeah well James Bond
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  also proved that it could make good money at the theaters as well
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  oh that's true yeah yeah but I think you have to be a big tent
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  pole I am like no one's Brave in Co to go and
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  see some indie movie no I wouldn't think so I do it there's very few movies I
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  I'll go cem myself well last one I saw was Dune and I mean I don't regret it
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  but uh I mean I'm not going to go I don't think I'm going to go see anything
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  else in the near future um on on Ghostbusters news while we're
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  talking about it they put out a uh a DVD
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  box set DVD to to go oh sorry a box set
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  sorry showing my age um they put out a box set including you know Ghostbusters
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  after it's got Ghostbusters Ghostbusters
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  2 and Ghostbusters afterlife yep three official Ghostbusters movies well I
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  don't think because those
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  three in the same universe and a story I know but the only reason this was
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  interesting to me is just because let's be honest that's not why that is not why
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  it's because they know that all the Fanboys who would go out and buy this
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  box set would not buy it if there was also a bunch of women on the cover not
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  because they're sexist but because they [ __ ] hated that movie but then Paul
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  Fe director of the the girl Ghostbusters movie tweeted and I was I'm like it's
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  just so cringy why M he tweeted uh Sony Pictures I know this must be a mistake
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  we do have a lot of fans and bill Dan and Ernie were in it and it won the Kids
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  Choice Award for best feature film when it came out so I guess this was just an
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  oversight it's like oh but there's already a box set with that one in it so
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  it's fine I know but like don't that's embarrassing embarass because if you buy
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  the box set you now get a digital download uh if you want to watch PR yeah
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  good yeah great a physical box made a
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  [ __ ] movie shut up yeah it's just so embarrassing even Dan arroy came out
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  after it was like what is this [ __ ] and his [ __ ] meter is
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  incredibly low I know and saying oh they were in it that doesn't mean anything
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  people have been in films and then been like oh [ __ ] like that was a mistake
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  like I'm sure they don't intend to make bad movies when like big name actors are
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  in some like Matt Damon with the Great Wall remember that came out he like
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  [ __ ] hell yeah I shouldn't have done that yeah yeah but look the thing is
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  people who come out even if the movie is successful and go look I don't know why
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  I was part of that yeah terella Guinness not a fan of Star Wars well it depends
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  on which interview you hear from him
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  yeah uh Paul Paul Paul F Paul figy
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  whoever that is um I don't like any of his movies I don't think he's very good
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  I don't either and I didn't like the cast I
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  cringy to do I'll also go out an Olympia and say I don't like Ghostbusters
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  too I mean I haven't seen it in a long time and I didn't like it at the time
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  when it when I loved Ghostbusters and it was my favorite film and when
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  Ghostbusters 2 were coming I ate up all the pre-released merch I bought the
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  trading cards I and then when I saw the film fin saw the film I was like oh [ __ ]
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  this is Ghostbusters too this is not good you don't like
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  we oh God this is Ghostbusters 2 that we
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  deserved Ghostbusters afterlife is the Ghostbusters sequel we deserved after
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  Ghostbusters one so you you're thinking canonically we should just watch
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  Ghostbusters Ghostbusters afterlife from now on absolutely work absolutely right
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  okay I guess I got fact actually make one a little part of it make a little
• 25:31
  bit more sense if you just forget tw's there oh interesting okay yeah well I a
• 25:37
  lot of it and I don't know if you're talking about something I haven't seen
• 25:39
  at the end but I think a few things throughout it would make more sense if
• 25:43
  it was the New York incident then nothing then this yes and then this
• 25:50
  yep all right I got to watch it um I know for a fact that Dan and I
• 25:55
  have watched another sequel to another well-known franchise Luke have you
• 25:59
  watched The Matrix resurrections yet I
• 26:03
  played the the game thing that came out at the same time as a hey look at this
• 26:10
  um that started off so good mhm with like K sort of walk around talking and
• 26:16
  at one stage I didn't know it was if it was actually him or a computer generated
• 26:20
  version of him and then the sort of experience started on I just done
• 26:24
  installed it but that's the closest I got to watching thex started with a bit
• 26:29
  of potential and you thought maybe it was going to be good and then it wasn't
• 26:32
  and then it just really really wasn't yeah yeah that's interesting I guess
• 26:36
  that's the theme they're going for that's their ammo
• 26:40
  okay Matrix resurrections is interesting but so can we just say spoilers cuz I I
• 26:46
  need to know I mean sure yeah all right yeah it's been weeks it's been weeks and
• 26:51
  also watch if you want to so and all the spoilers are at the start the spoilers
• 26:56
  would be for what the premise actually is is not for anything does care about
• 27:00
  the sequels it's just like a matrix 2 essentially no no no no no no no no this
• 27:07
  is a direct sequel to Matrix Revolutions as the last one right I would go as far
• 27:12
  as saying it's that but also it ignores all matrixes except for the matrixes
• 27:18
  that exist in the real world that we live in and was an attempt to be some
• 27:23
  meta criticism of how the Hollywood System treat The Matrix films and how
• 27:29
  the audience have interpreted the Legacy throughout these years and if they'd
• 27:35
  leaned into that a little more it could have been interesting but they kind of
• 27:38
  tread that line between it being that metac criticism and it trying to be the
• 27:44
  action Blockbuster that the original Matrix was and failing at both to the
• 27:48
  point where I've seen people on YouTube trying to justify why it was [ __ ] on
• 27:53
  purpose yeah and that's the point of it yeah I mean look and that might be true
• 27:58
  it wouldn't surprise me if she did it on purpose because the I mean it it itself
• 28:02
  tells you right Warner Brothers were going to make this movie regardless of
• 28:06
  whether anybody wanted this is a line from the film Warner Brothers were going
• 28:10
  to do this with or without us Warner Brothers are going to make a sequel to
• 28:13
  The Matrix with or without us a character tells this to Keanu Reeves
• 28:17
  because the Matrix exists in this movie as in The Matrix the the movies exist in
• 28:22
  the movie but they're a video game instead it's like oh what or Thomas
• 28:29
  Anderson is the dev of the Matrix
• 28:32
  trilogy brackets video game series so so
• 28:36
  he's not the Neo from the movies okay so massive massive spoilers I guess right
• 28:41
  so okay so I'm just going to tell you the the plot and why it way yes okay
• 28:46
  skip ahead 5 10 minutes you don't want to hear no no no the plot's not that
• 28:49
  complex skip ahead 2 minutes no okay so you know you know how he died right he
• 28:53
  in Trinity died in in the third I don't even remember that in the very foret
• 28:58
  Matrix 3 they both di yeah and then a program called The Calling himself now
• 29:04
  the analyst was like yeah but there was something interesting about them let's
• 29:09
  bring them back to life so he developed
• 29:12
  teic dust to to rebuild them the the literally the physical literally the
• 29:18
  physical human bodies of of Neo and Trinity Reb resurrected resurrected them
• 29:23
  and then put them back in the Matrix without memory of
• 29:28
  they still have memory but they they they trick them into thinking it's they
• 29:32
  they basically he thinks the events of the Matrix that he remembers were like a
• 29:37
  dream that he made a video game out of the reason being they think there's some
• 29:42
  kind of special connection between Neo and Trinity that when they're close to
• 29:46
  each other in The Matrix they produce
• 29:49
  more literal energy output and like basically all the batteries produce
• 29:55
  better yeah they produ all the humans in The Matrix produce more juice for the
• 30:01
  sex leads to more energy that's no sex no sex they they don't interact near
• 30:07
  each other so it's which is good because that sex scene between the two of them
• 30:12
  in the second movie was really gross and I just didn't want to see it um so this
• 30:18
  is basically NE but then it's got a whole bunch of one Neo and Trinity combined are the
• 30:24
  one yes that's right which is
• 30:28
  I guess the the kind of trans yeah and you you also could argue that from from
• 30:33
  the first from the first film You could argue that he always needed her to reach
• 30:38
  his full potential and Mis interpretation no it's not done
• 30:44
  very well at all it's it's terrible in it's and my biggest things the biggest
• 30:48
  things annoy me about it is right okay so Morpheus is there and he's a
• 30:51
  different character a different actor and because they do they do give an
• 30:56
  explanation for it but why why is he even there yeah yeah they put him in
• 31:00
  there if you're bringing everyone else back why not why why is he there they
• 31:06
  cuz they they at some point I think they said oh they um the machines put people
• 31:11
  that Neo knew back in there but he never interacted with Neo at all until the
• 31:16
  events of this movie which they didn't intend for him
• 31:20
  to this movie I think what it was was didn't didn't Thomas Anderson write
• 31:25
  himself a little kind of back door by
• 31:29
  maintaining morpheus's memories there so that if and when he ever needed him
• 31:35
  there was someone to kind of Mentor him again oh so you think okay so Neo put
• 31:39
  Morpheus in there yeah but still like why Lawrence Fishburn said like he would
• 31:45
  have been happy to go back and do it much more and the other one and I
• 31:50
  think they tried from what I've read is the other one agent Smith is still in
• 31:54
  this but it's it's a new actor and it's Jonathan gr and he's great however yeah
• 31:59
  the whole impact the whole impact is removed because it should have been Hugo
• 32:04
  weaving because now they're colleagues they work together and having partner in
• 32:10
  the game company yeah and having them just interact like they don't know that
• 32:13
  they had epic battles would have been quite good watch and that is what
• 32:19
  happens except you except there a different actor so you don't have the
• 32:22
  impact and they don't establish for certain that it is Smith until after
• 32:26
  that's happened but if it was hug they wouldn't need to exactly yeah it would
• 32:31
  have just been them on their [ __ ] lunch break talking in the you know in
• 32:35
  the officers and you'd be like but he literally do they not know they enemies
• 32:40
  so agent Smith right calls Neo into his office and says War to Brothers is going
• 32:44
  to make a sequel to The Matrix with or without us yeah so I feel like we should
• 32:49
  do it because otherwise do a good job whatever they do is going to be worse
• 32:52
  than whatever [ __ ] we come up with and it's basically like okay yeah and then
• 32:58
  it cuts it cuts to a to a montage of writers and developers pitching each
• 33:04
  other ideas of what the sequel should be and they're like oh should I definitely
• 33:08
  have of time what if it's a matrix within a matrix and all of that stuff is
• 33:13
  being all the stuff that everybody was like that's what this movie is going to
• 33:16
  be these people in this movie are like oh it should be this should be this and
• 33:19
  then should be that literally going oh
• 33:24
  [ __ ] yeah now so interesting all the stuff Matt has just explained is in the
• 33:29
  first 15 or so minutes of the movie right yeah and and this is still the
• 33:33
  interesting part it's still got potential at this part and in fact the
• 33:37
  movie opens with the exact way that the Matrix the original Matrix opened shot
• 33:42
  for shot but with different actors and there's another character there watching
• 33:46
  what's happening you know Trinity's getting the cops coming in she's running
• 33:50
  across the roof and stuff and then Trinity gets captured and killed and she
• 33:55
  goes and and at this point I'm thinking this could be interesting you know this
• 33:59
  is the Matrix we know but from another point of view maybe there were multiple
• 34:02
  matrixes maybe not everything work out the way okay no forget it forget all of
• 34:08
  that it's something else and then by about halfway it's the plot is literally
• 34:13
  just okay they got they got Neo out of the new Matrix and they just have to get
• 34:18
  Trinity out and the plot of the movie becomes we have to get Trinity out of
• 34:22
  the new Matrix and that's all it is for the rest of the movie yeah until the end
• 34:27
  when when the the end of the movie which is actually quite clever where Neo and
• 34:31
  Trinity now together flying around and they're like we're going to make this
• 34:34
  place great and then the the analyst played by um uh what's his name Patrick
• 34:40
  is like people don't want this new [ __ ] this new meta [ __ ] people want what I
• 34:45
  was giving them they want them people just want to watch The Matrix again you
• 34:48
  should have just made the Matrix again no one's going to like this blah blah
• 34:51
  blah like he basically has his speech at the end of the movie and he was right
• 34:56
  yeah right and actually I detested his character I thought he was just Che the
• 35:00
  scenery the whole time and very but it's all like
• 35:05
  that it's got to be intentional yeah yeah but still but it doesn't make it
• 35:09
  good also just just because it's done on purp The Matrix makes zero sense like
• 35:14
  even the first movie great on its own but makes zero sense why are the
• 35:18
  machines spending all this money or not money but all this energy creating this
• 35:23
  whole thing for these people to use them as batteries look at geother go up
• 35:28
  outside the atmosphere go to solar like there's many ways you don't need these
• 35:32
  humans just wipe them out move there are some interesting themes touched on in this
• 35:38
  because the humans now have some machines that are on their side and and
• 35:43
  there this kind of premise that far either though no after the war that we
• 35:48
  saw in Matrix 3 some of the machines started turning against other machines
• 35:52
  and started realizing no you're abusing the humans actually this is wrong and
• 35:55
  all this stuff that might have been a good movie seen yeah and they certainly touched on
• 36:00
  it in in the animat Trix there was some kind of touching on that theme as well um
• 36:07
  largely ignored they're not making anymore this was just a thing and it's
• 36:10
  just like cuz it didn't make any money no I love it that they've come out now
• 36:14
  and like no plans for anymore and like no one's giving you the money for
• 36:19
  more made don't do this [ __ ] just make what could have been good if they had
• 36:24
  have done this and this was sort of the hey this is not quite a joke but hey
• 36:28
  this is just the but they also made like a second movie or a television series in
• 36:33
  the background and then it went on and touched on expanding
• 36:37
  on um those plot points I felt like like I'm watching this movie and it's like
• 36:42
  Lana Wow's bringing me along on this ride and and and she's like what about
• 36:46
  this and I'm like oh that's interesting and she's like yeah come on let's go no
• 36:49
  no no let's go back to that no okay the next thing oh that's kind of interesting
• 36:52
  how about know keep going keep moving it's it's another great example of
• 36:55
  Hollywood learning the wrong lesson you know and not understanding what was
• 36:59
  great because what was great about the Matrix when there was just one movie
• 37:02
  called The Matrix was that you could watch it on a purely cinematic level and
• 37:07
  just enjoy the action the great special effects the great fight scenes and keano
• 37:14
  just being cool and not paying attention to anything else and you could just
• 37:18
  absorb that movie and get 100% satisfaction out of it you watch it
• 37:22
  again and again or you watch it as a slightly more intellectual way you get
• 37:25
  layers and layers and layers and you enjoy it works on so many levels this
• 37:30
  makes no sense and none of the action or special effects are any good oh the that
• 37:35
  that's the that's the biggest let down is honestly and I know it I
• 37:41
  mean because it's the Matrix it does matter right the action scenes were just
• 37:45
  garbage yeah none of the fights I felt like when you watch The Matrix and
• 37:50
  particularly it's it's very obvious because it literally shows clips from
• 37:54
  the Matrix in this movie and so I was constantly reminded how inferior this
• 37:58
  movie is than the the than the first one because it's showing me the first one
• 38:01
  it's like remember how good this was you you're watching this instead and then
• 38:07
  but like in the mat watching a matrix fan film when they're fighting right
• 38:11
  it's fight scenes yeah okay it's schlock but every punch is like I feel like they
• 38:17
  planned all the shots around it like every punch is shot specifically to
• 38:22
  Showcase all the moves all the fights everything this was just like all right
• 38:26
  let's just get coverage these people fighting we'll shoot it with a couple of
• 38:30
  cameras and we'll just kind of edit it together yeah bring the stunt doubles in
• 38:34
  and then we'll just get keo's face as opposed to let's put keano into
• 38:38
  intensive Kung Fu training for a year before we film let's bring in Yin Wu
• 38:44
  ping the greatest stunt choreographer that Hong Kong has ever produced and
• 38:49
  let's just let the fight out single T maybe they planned all this but they
• 38:54
  just went the actors was went I can't be bothered doing it all that this time can
• 38:59
  do it he does do it but he's getting cuz
• 39:04
  remember I'm not doing it for this I'm not million movie yeah maybe I got to do
• 39:11
  John Wick which I like I'm not inj myself for this [ __ ] I mean he wouldn't
• 39:15
  even cut the John Wick hair no that's right he just looks like
• 39:20
  John Wick he doesn't even have the neon neon or was that him trying to be like a
• 39:24
  like a what what he thinks a dirty developer dirty person he's like can we
• 39:28
  talk about that bizarre scene where the maravian shows up and just starts
• 39:34
  yelling [ __ ] but he's never in a shot with anybody else and I swear to God he
• 39:39
  didn't he wasn't even on set with them they just filmed him somewhere else
• 39:43
  yelling weird [ __ ] and like cut back to
• 39:47
  him it's so weird yeah and it didn't have any bearing on it's
• 39:54
  irrelevant bizarre truly bizarre and like at first I started like okay maybe
• 39:59
  maybe I'll read into it I'm sure there's a lot going on here and then I realized
• 40:02
  I'm sure there is but I don't care I just don't like this movie it's not
• 40:06
  awful I just don't like it it's just not very good and there people people like
• 40:09
  it like it's I it's not yeah that's the problem is it's not bad it's just not
• 40:14
  anything for me it just really didn't land at all
• 40:18
  yeah so strange like the choices they made and I just don't
• 40:24
  understand and in the end there there's it ends with them flying off together
• 40:30
  and then it's the same Rage Against the Machine song that the first film ends
• 40:34
  with but it's covered by a girl by a band with a female singer and it's like
• 40:40
  okay but that's a little odd yeah like I see I see what you're saying Lana I see
• 40:45
  what you're saying yeah I do too but it's just I don't know just a bit odd
• 40:51
  yeah I'm annoyed we've talked about it so don't go see is what I'm hearing from
• 40:55
  certainly don't pay to see it to the movies yeah I mean if you're doing your ironing
• 40:59
  pop it on yeah mhm except like the first Matrix and just
• 41:06
  enjoy that yeah exactly cuz I wouldn't even watch the third Matrix it just made
• 41:10
  me want to watch The Matrix again honestly yeah it just reminded me what a
• 41:15
  I've already really ever seen the first and the second one I don't think I even
• 41:19
  I've seen the third one completely thir one is awful for a different reason so I'm just
• 41:24
  going to go back to just pretending there's the Matrix I feel like
• 41:28
  this is a this is a result of I maybe um
• 41:32
  Lily wowski was the one who said the brains well not the brains but the but
• 41:37
  the like we've got to at least exactly right because they made the first one
• 41:42
  right and it was it was a great success oh this's this great great apparently
• 41:46
  I'm um [ __ ] Jonathan Ross there's this great quote from uh Quinton
• 41:51
  Tarantino who saw it opening night in LA and he said that it was amazing because
• 41:55
  all these people had showed up to watch The Matrix
• 41:58
  uh and it wasn't the trailers so much as the TV spots the the what is the Matrix
• 42:02
  TV spots right and everybody was like the [ __ ] is this you mean back in the
• 42:05
  day yeah back in 1999 right everyone was hyped as [ __ ] but no one knew a goddamn
• 42:11
  thing about the movie other than just like like they didn't know what it was
• 42:15
  and then he said to to turn up and then everybody's all hyped and then to get
• 42:21
  that movie doesn't happen very often and I think that's just why this is such a
• 42:26
  disappointment is because it never and then when they made
• 42:30
  the sequels they clearly weren't happy with the fact that so many people
• 42:35
  focused on the shooting and the fights and the less cerebral stuff so they were
• 42:39
  like well we're just going to lean into the cerebral stuff but I feel like
• 42:42
  you're right like Lily was the filter that kept well we've got to we've still
• 42:48
  got to appease everybody it's still got to be a good movie whereas this one
• 42:53
  that's gone and it's just well even from what it's sort of saying like they start
• 42:56
  to touch stuff and so it sort of like have all these good ideas but then not
• 43:00
  flesh them out yeah not continue it just we got this idea and now we're going to
• 43:05
  talk about this part well you haven't finished about this like you've skipped
• 43:09
  where that was going yeah yeah maybe if it was a series they could have done
• 43:14
  that but on the other hand it wasn't done very well so I probably wouldn't
• 43:17
  have watched it speaking of series that I'm not going to watch anymore of oh no
• 43:24
  I've watched two episodes of book of Boba Fett the first one I didn't enjoy I
• 43:29
  watched the second episode turned it off halfway through forced myself to go back
• 43:34
  it didn't even finish it didn't second forced myself to go back and watch the
• 43:38
  second episode to the end and it got worse I think the problem is with this
• 43:44
  it's two separate stories and the one I'm sort of half interested in gets 5
• 43:51
  minutes of air time in the second episode and then yeah I would agree with
• 43:56
  that but I'm half interested in that story too and not a lot of that makes
• 44:00
  sense to me and I just don't like the the style and the tone of it it just
• 44:05
  doesn't feel like Star Wars to me and no no offense to to the actor who plays
• 44:11
  Boba Fett but he's just I do I need to offend him a little bit it's just not I
• 44:17
  need to offend him a little bit feel free go on um so
• 44:23
  um on the timeline of when this is made yes he would be his character should be a
• 44:30
  little under 30 well there's no evidence of that in the films
• 44:36
  unfortunately no there is though because he was he was the Clone he was the
• 44:43
  Clone okay and he would have been about five or six years old when Han and when
• 44:49
  Luke and Leo were born okay now Luke and L this is
• 44:54
  directly after returning to jro which is about 20 years all right you've got me
• 44:58
  there okay yep okay and we've got this 50y old man well hold
• 45:03
  on the the one story is set there we don't know how much time has passed for
• 45:09
  the next part of the story they're not Aging True they're not aging him up or
• 45:14
  down so he's just the same but I just don't I don't feel his Charisma and he
• 45:19
  does have a a certain Charisma that carries very well in other films once
• 45:23
  were warriors amazing but he his particular
• 45:27
  Charisma is completely miscast as Boba Fett look I think the problem is and
• 45:34
  this is the problem I think they've got with Star Wars when they go and touch on
• 45:37
  characters that we sort of know and we've built up what they are and then
• 45:42
  they go well this is now what this character is and this is now Canon that
• 45:46
  makes it hard to us to engage with that which is why Mandalorian worked so well
• 45:51
  cuz it's a new character didn't know they they based it on some tropes we
• 45:55
  already appreciated but it's a completely new character and it worked
• 45:59
  really well this like honestly guys you [ __ ] the Bob how do you [ __ ] Boba
• 46:04
  Fett well because the thing is like I didn't even like the episodes where they Fett
• 46:10
  into into the Mandalorian like it they they came in he
• 46:14
  did some like some yeah he beats people up it looked cool but to me it wasn't
• 46:19
  Boba fit like I also think that was one of the worst episodes of Mandalorian
• 46:23
  actually I think if we go back I think you remember liking Boba Fett I'll tell
• 46:27
  you I mean did we I don't like saying this but that episode and this series
• 46:33
  Robert Rodriguez I know and the thing is
• 46:36
  this feels very Robert Rodriguez and when Robert Rodriguez had only made two
• 46:42
  or three films he was one of the greatest filmmakers in the world but
• 46:46
  sure he has made so many films now and most of them are
• 46:52
  garbage I like Alita which is the most recent one of his that I've scene I
• 46:57
  liked that did you watch all seven Shark Boy movies oh no no look I only watched
• 47:04
  the first episode of of Bubba Fett and I I didn't dislike it as much as it seems
• 47:09
  like you guys did but I mean it was the second episode is yeah okay I got to
• 47:14
  watch that still I did not like what what I found really underwhelming and I
• 47:18
  think is a misstep is just how easily he got out of that [ __ ]
• 47:24
  salac cuz yeah doesn't everyone quite a lot yeah ex undermines
• 47:30
  undermines quite a lot about Return of the Jedi and that whole thing the fact
• 47:34
  that he just and also like why was he next to a stormtrooper there was no
• 47:39
  Stormtrooper in that battle I think it would been cool if it was maybe someone else who
• 47:44
  fell yeah no no I think that I assume it's because people have been falling
• 47:50
  into this pit for thousands of years yeah but that's [ __ ] stupid I didn't
• 47:53
  even think of that you're right cuz he was half to is it going to be someone
• 47:57
  who's fell in last week or anything it's going to be going to be the other guys
• 48:01
  yeah he made it worse it's going to be shoe but then it like it still doesn't
• 48:08
  really explain like like how did he get he just [ __ ] dug himself up out of
• 48:11
  the desert floor Luke like Anyway in the books the way he actually got out like
• 48:17
  he used his jetpack and sort of blasted his way out and use his flamethrower
• 48:22
  like there was I forget exactly how but he did fight his way out and then was
• 48:27
  picked up by another Bounty Hunter uh DGA oh and they sort of nursed him back
• 48:32
  to health and then he went on and became Bob a Fett that I know uh the one you
• 48:38
  went to school with yeah that's right Bob a Fett the who became the
• 48:44
  Mandalore yes the leader of the Mandalorian not happening uh well maybe it will
• 48:51
  the wish I wish I'd stopped halfway through that second episode as I
• 48:56
  originally intended and I hadn't watched it to the end
• 48:59
  because there was a choreographed dance sequence at the end of that second
• 49:04
  episode that I it's Akin only to the choreograph dance sequence in another
• 49:10
  thing that I will not rewatch which is Rise of Skywalker and I just don't I I just
• 49:16
  don't understand the tone of this I don't understand the decisions being
• 49:19
  made here no and there's two very different shows with very different
• 49:25
  tones you got one where they don't talk and then you got another one where
• 49:29
  there's this power struggle for who's going to take over yeah I've got
• 49:34
  questions I got questions for you Luke about both of those things one they
• 49:38
  don't talk he learns sign language and speaks it to them but you never see them
• 49:43
  using sign language to each other so what the [ __ ] where did he pick that [ __ ] up
• 49:49
  from okay the other thing that annoys me is about the female heart oh yeah
• 49:55
  specifically yeah what annoys you about it there's there's no sort of male and
• 50:00
  female Hut a Hut will turn from male female to give birth and then will turn
• 50:05
  back to male not in the films there isn't not in the film I've not seen that
• 50:10
  happen in a Star Wars movie thank
• 50:14
  God I also don't quite understand think happened I don't how did you know that
• 50:19
  one of them was a girl that have like a bra on they say my sister and she's got a
• 50:25
  fan it's almost like a Pac-Man and Mrs
• 50:29
  Pac-Man kind of vibe going oh [ __ ] um I
• 50:34
  don't even understand why Boba Fett feels he has any legitimate claim
• 50:40
  to the Huts yeah and again because he killed bi for tuna okay fair enough but
• 50:46
  if you if all you have to do is is kill the Shogun and then you become the
• 50:49
  Shogun why isn't princess layer the Shogun because she's the one who
• 50:52
  actually killed Bob you actually look Bob Fett
• 50:57
  actually oh no he said he killed bib he
• 51:00
  killed bi for Fortuna yeah cuz he well I think he just took power but yeah it's s
• 51:06
  like but why does he feel he has any right he doesn't does heal organization
• 51:11
  he's not acting like a usurper he's acting like someone with a legitimate
• 51:14
  claim to that Throne yeah right and the way that they're making it out is jaut
• 51:20
  was just on there just going around collecting collecting stuff from no he
• 51:24
  was running a criminal Empire that's just where base of operations was he had
• 51:28
  other stuff going on with smuggling and all this other stuff it wasn't just
• 51:32
  stuff happening on T correct he's got none of those contacts or any of that in
• 51:37
  fact can we stop putting things on Tata way please because they say explicitly
• 51:41
  in the first movie that Tata is a random Planet you know if there was a center to
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  the universe this is a planet farthest from it like it
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  was luck that that's where the Escape
• 51:54
  pod jettison that pure chance no there's so much going on on this [ __ ] planet this is
• 52:01
  like anyway well it's not even you got to remember it's not just because of
• 52:05
  where that escaped pod Jon it's because of where they they had to go get their
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  hyperspace Strife repaired yes that's right we got to go
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  to episode one shut up shut
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  up but can I talk about uh a show that is very good and I know you guys have
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  not watched this yet I've been watching witches season 2 oh yeah I've got one
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  episode left it's [ __ ] fantastic it's I think I'm going to have to try it
• 52:32
  again I started it but just didn't grab me to begin with the the whole show or
• 52:38
  just season two just just whicher two the season two I don't know man the
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  first episode that first episode felt like it's one of my favorite stories
• 52:45
  from the book so I'm sort of biased but it reminded me of the Storyteller you
• 52:50
  know that old Jim Hensen C like show but love story
• 52:57
  Dark As [ __ ] Storyteller was quite dark for a kid show right well well well this is
• 53:03
  this is darker I assure you oh great okay it's it's this it's like the Beauty
• 53:08
  and the Beast story but with all the you know Disney shine scrubbed off it and
• 53:14
  it's just like yeah um and the rest of is [ __ ] great
• 53:19
  it's fantastic is it all out yet or not yet yeah yeah yeah yeah it just I just
• 53:24
  put all out once oh fabulous that's just a I'll do that this is this is a Netflix
• 53:31
  pure Netflix we should just release it all yeah I'll do that when I finished
• 53:34
  Hawkeye and it I just I can't believe how little faith I had in Henry caval
• 53:41
  with like remember when they announced Henry caval and we were like Henry Cav
• 53:45
  TV actor inil I told told you he's a TV actor keep him there keep him away from
• 53:51
  movies he's [ __ ] I think they are keeping him away from movies I think he
• 53:56
  has been written out of the DC
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  Universe oh okay is this still the DC Universe we can talk about DC a little
• 54:06
  in a little while there's some DC news for sure well we might be coming I am going
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  to give it another try cuz I did love the first season I think it's just I
• 54:16
  maybe was just not in the right mindset to pay attention but there's one
• 54:19
  character I just very dark that's very dark the the first episode one character
• 54:24
  you like who was in that trying to remember yeah no not in the first
• 54:29
  episode but he s of plays a major part in it
• 54:36
  is who's that the B no no no he's fine I
• 54:41
  he needs to come back and be his normal character I'm missing him he'll be back
• 54:45
  he'll be back keep watching um it's um for
• 54:49
  me oh the Knight that his name oh vesmir
• 54:54
  vessir I don't know he's just throwing me off for some reason I don't think
• 54:58
  he's a good casting he's all right he's not the best actor I think I think he's
• 55:03
  I think we should have gone with what the internet was asking for and have Mar
• 55:06
  that's why you're annoyed yeah okay the guy who plays best me yeah I see what you mean he
• 55:12
  um yeah he's not he's not certainly not my favorite actor in the series but you
• 55:18
  know he's fine but yeah I think I was just in the wrong mindset he annoyed me
• 55:22
  and I went I'm not going to watch and I'll come back later and then went much BBA
• 55:28
  fit and now you've come crawling
• 55:33
  back anyway this show is [ __ ] great I highly recommend it also if you haven't
• 55:39
  watched Always Sunny season 15 we don't have to talk about too much go watch
• 55:43
  Always Sunny season 15 one of the best fantastic it's one of the best fantastic
• 55:47
  like in terms of no Filler episodes I mean there's there's there's one or two
• 55:51
  that might be slightly less interesting than the others but it it's so it's so
• 55:57
  solid just funny as hell and commentary
• 56:01
  wise quite sharp as well in oh a number
• 56:04
  of places wow yeah solid it comments it
• 56:09
  it comments on itself in a way that Lana wowski can only have a dream of doing
• 56:15
  but it also comments on
• 56:17
  like kind of modern you know W culture going in the world in a really
• 56:24
  interesting way the characters really do do what they because it does touch on
• 56:29
  the pandemic and the characters do really do what they would have done like
• 56:33
  theis goes I don't have Co fine it and there are [ __ ]
• 56:40
  consequences yes [ __ ] Dennis in that castle maning
• 56:46
  him and D are asleep and and she can just hear him talking he's like but does
• 56:50
  it have to be tonight she's like are you talking to me he's like I'm talking to
• 56:53
  the castle shut the [ __ ] up up I'm talking to the castle that also uh
• 56:59
  happens to be the Castle's preference for how this all goes
• 57:03
  down so [ __ ] is a [ __ ] genius so
• 57:09
  funny fantastic
• 57:13
  yeah that episode that episode where I don't want to I mean spoilers for Always
• 57:19
  Sunny sounds so strange but that episode with the
• 57:23
  meatballs in the soup
• 57:28
  is oh it's a d get stuck in a bog that's the name of the episode or yeah so funny
• 57:35
  I think I might have to watch that again yeah I I I literally had to watch it
• 57:39
  again because I couldn't stop thinking about it I was laughing to myself
• 57:42
  thinking about it I watched the second episode through twice almost straight
• 57:46
  away um the Leal weapon episode yeah so
• 57:51
  funny so good oh that's got so many jokes in it just like
• 57:57
  [ __ ] um uh what's his name the the war
• 58:01
  machine um oh John she Don cheel jokes and and all just all sorts of stuff oh
• 58:07
  just so much going on so good yeah I haven't watched Hawkeye yet you guys
• 58:11
  said hawkey is very good but I'm only halfway through I should watch so unless
• 58:14
  it gets really [ __ ] somehow it's excellent no I I'm really enjoying the
• 58:19
  television series that they're coming out with I've enjoyed all of
• 58:23
  them I enjoyed all of them too although I I have said and I stand by it I
• 58:28
  thought um One Division fell apart at the end but I thought it was very strong
• 58:33
  up until then and the Agnes thing I was just like come on guys one division sort
• 58:39
  of fell apart when it sort of had to really tie itself back into no this is
• 58:43
  real world when it lost the television which it had to do yeah it did have to
• 58:48
  but I think they they they dropped the ball I think up until then the one thing
• 58:52
  I really like about that is is at the end of that it was uh no she's still
• 58:56
  criminal and we're still going after her yeah yeah and and she'll come up and
• 59:01
  something else and it'll be interesting and yeah I think she's going to be in
• 59:05
  the new Doctor Strange [ __ ] everyone's going to be in the new Doctor Strange yeah Doctor
• 59:10
  Strange ties together now I think so isn't it doesn't I mean I haven't seen
• 59:15
  the new Spider-Man but I think I think it all leads into it I mean Doctor Strange is
• 59:20
  in shuni you know what I mean like he's ties everything he
• 59:26
  did we talk about no we did talk about shangi yes [ __ ] great movie great
• 59:30
  movie yeah I watched that again [ __ ] awesome yeah more of that yeah yes
• 59:35
  Hawkeye is excellent I like the tone of it um and the story I think it's great
• 59:40
  the characters are great it's got that exact right combination of humor and and
• 59:45
  seriousness that the Marvel films just do so well that DC just do not know how
• 59:50
  to do mhm like so many scenes I'm watching it and I'm like I can see how
• 59:56
  DC would do this and it would be so [ __ ] and it works so and it's the same stuff
• 1:00:02
  it's the same we're talking about [ __ ] Space Magic and monsters and all
• 1:00:05
  this you know fantasy stuff that you shouldn't be able to sound serious and
• 1:00:09
  poignant but they do they try too hard yeah or whatever it is but this works so
• 1:00:15
  well love it love it well what is the next DC
• 1:00:21
  one uh oh God there's there like is there something in the universe or is
• 1:00:25
  they going back to to their stand alone or no no no cuz flash flash with um yeah
• 1:00:31
  starring that that guy who strangles women yeah that I still do not understand why they
• 1:00:38
  did not just have the The Flash from the television show cuz they're the same
• 1:00:42
  character anyway like they play well I think DC draw quite a solid
• 1:00:48
  line between their TV shows because do but then the character that they've got
• 1:00:53
  is sort of very much the same sort of style like haven't changed that up too
• 1:00:57
  much right so it might as well just be the same guy yeah
• 1:01:03
  [Music] yeah but yeah so there The Flash which is meant to be they're doing like the
• 1:01:09
  whole flasho thing which I think is how they're getting rid of a lot of
• 1:01:13
  characters and replacing them they're doing an in universe that fle an in
• 1:01:19
  Universe reset essentially they're getting rid of cuzz they want to keep
• 1:01:23
  gal good up because yeah cuz she's great woman yeah I agree no one's complaining
• 1:01:28
  about her um they're going to they're going to
• 1:01:33
  redact um Wonder Woman 1984 from
• 1:01:37
  Cannon really yes yeah how can they not it doesn't make any [ __ ] I haven't
• 1:01:42
  even seen it I I know it doesn't make any [ __ ] sense she says it didn't
• 1:01:46
  make any sense at the time just going to be a little she tells Bruce Wayne 100
• 1:01:51
  years ago I walked away from Humanity oh except for the 80s except for the came
• 1:01:58
  backas and I made sure to get rid of them I was in love with this man 100
• 1:02:02
  years ago thanks for finding his photo I mean I saw him 15 years ago and he hung
• 1:02:06
  out for a whole week it wasn't really him it wasn't really him though I just
• 1:02:10
  used some other guy's body for sex yeah I raped a man repeatedly for one week
• 1:02:16
  yeah well that's pretty much what it is isn't it but I mean come on luk ad if
• 1:02:20
  you if you he was fine with it if he known about it he would have been fine
• 1:02:24
  with it if you were unconscious just for a week and then when you woke up
• 1:02:27
  somebody like dude G has been raping you for a week you'd be like cool no she
• 1:02:33
  hasn't it was absolutely consensual yeah I've retrospectively given her
• 1:02:40
  consent yeah I don't think and I was and I was I was not missing I was there and
• 1:02:45
  I I we yes and I remember it which is why I feel that I can tell this story
• 1:02:51
  again and again to everyone be mentioning that this has happened a
• 1:02:56
  lot no see for me even jokingly that wouldn't be a great way for that to
• 1:03:01
  happen cuz you don't get to remember it yeah it happened to you you wake up
• 1:03:07
  someone tells you about it yeah so here's what I think's going to happen
• 1:03:11
  not not with not with the date rap but with DCU with me and gal yeah with you
• 1:03:17
  and gal going to be Wonder Woman yeah Wonder Woman will remain untouched uh
• 1:03:22
  her story line will remain untouched other than nothing happened in
• 1:03:27
  1984 yeah uh then talk about 198 bat Fleck is gone Superman is
• 1:03:33
  gone yep Batman cuz as we discussed Henry's should stick in the TV now yeah
• 1:03:39
  Batman will be Katon from the Burton verse as an old man does seem like that
• 1:03:46
  and he will be the mentor character kind of the Tony Stark glue that holds
• 1:03:51
  everything together and Batgirl and Supergirl are going to be the Batman and
• 1:03:57
  Superman that existed is in the Batgirl movie they've just announced the cast
• 1:04:02
  and he's in there okay so if this is the case I think they're doing the the
• 1:04:07
  problem that they had at the very start of this all is they rushing to the end
• 1:04:13
  so rushing to get their Universe they just like they're just pivoting like you
• 1:04:17
  know why it's cuz they wanted they want to do another Justice League that'll be
• 1:04:22
  the new Justice League which is why not [ __ ] Justice League the of it yeah
• 1:04:27
  that's right cuz that'll be that'll be gone too you know that that that'll not
• 1:04:31
  be Cannon At All by the time by the time flash point is over look how many movies
• 1:04:36
  did it take for for Marvel to get to
• 1:04:40
  Avengers yeah they want to do it in like three yeah
• 1:04:45
  yeah they're throwing spaghetti at the wall man that's the that's the motto
• 1:04:50
  over at DC and can I just say very quickly before we move into the
• 1:04:54
  afterparty I was so excited for the Batman and I still am but I'm slightly
• 1:05:00
  less excited after the last trailer I think they should have just stuck to the
• 1:05:06
  trailer that was out that everyone loved the bat and the cat trailer is that the one
• 1:05:10
  you suddenly this looks like the other Batman movies I've seen and not a
• 1:05:17
  completely new take now this just looks like okay this is all the other Batman
• 1:05:21
  movies then is it that's what I actually thought from the sort of start does look
• 1:05:26
  like it's just the last Batman Trilogy just a little darker they just dim the lights a bit
• 1:05:32
  more yeah give him a Trans Am instead of a tank yeah oh the car is cool no
• 1:05:38
  question but uh look I'm still disappointed there was no Batman movie
• 1:05:43
  with Ben Affleck like a standalone Batman movie I think that could have been great and if
• 1:05:48
  they benle went like I'll direct and
• 1:05:52
  I'll do this only if it's good and then it's just not happened so I'm happy that
• 1:05:58
  yeah absolutely give a [ __ ] well cuz what he
• 1:06:02
  was going to write a staring it yeah and then he went no I'm just going to write
• 1:06:08
  it and it's just I'm just going to be in it and then he's just not
• 1:06:12
  mention so much meddling you think something like that would be a dream job
• 1:06:16
  and it I mean it's clearly just not yeah yeah no for any of these people I mean
• 1:06:22
  look at I mean even even like you know Star Wars or any of these big franchises
• 1:06:26
  what a nightmare it must be yeah yeah well I think it's
• 1:06:30
  also a way that we the audiences consume stuff now like if you look at what's
• 1:06:36
  happening with cowboy Bop yeah oh yeah oh yeah we didn't talk about that the
• 1:06:40
  live action live action just came out about that very quickly they came out
• 1:06:45
  and went cancelled because it got bad reviews but the thing is people consume
• 1:06:50
  stuff a lot differently now and I don't they've got to stop these snap decisions
• 1:06:54
  cuz now there's like uh they've got like 100,000 signatures
• 1:06:59
  to try and get season 2 and it's some of these shows you need to let them sit
• 1:07:04
  there for a little while and let them find find Their audience and sometimes
• 1:07:10
  these shows do take one or two there's too much but they also they sabotaged
• 1:07:13
  that show in other ways too because the they they
• 1:07:18
  didn't they said we're changing it a bit right because it's an anime right and
• 1:07:22
  Anime is yeah have a particular style and a and you know the the the
• 1:07:26
  characters aren't necessar in particular you know the female character in that
• 1:07:29
  the way she dresses and the way she is in the show that's you can't there's no
• 1:07:32
  humans that that look that way and it's not it's going to look move like that
• 1:07:37
  it's going to look weird right but they didn't say that they just said you're a
• 1:07:40
  bunch of [ __ ] losers looking at tits forget it it's not real and it's like
• 1:07:45
  you didn't have to do it like that like you you put off a
• 1:07:50
  large portion of the audience that might have just gotten over it you know
• 1:07:55
  and I think they the audience sort of did w okay but like but they already
• 1:08:01
  canceled it they already canel it they cancel it very quickly but I think this
• 1:08:05
  is the problem with Netflix with a lot of this stuff
• 1:08:09
  is cuz they they want to know right away cuz they release everything at once it
• 1:08:13
  doesn't have time for people to start for it to find its audience for people
• 1:08:17
  to get used to it for it to so they cancel it before it's actually become
• 1:08:23
  popular or people with these show I found that I watched it twice and I enjoyed
• 1:08:29
  it the first time I was yeah I've never really watched the anime this is really
• 1:08:33
  me second and I watched it again for some reason and I went no I I enjoy this
• 1:08:39
  yeah it's like stuff like um I mean look at Blade Runner right
• 1:08:43
  Blade Runner when it came out no one liked it right yeah but over time it
• 1:08:47
  built up an audience big enough that they made a [ __ ] sequel like
• 1:08:51
  sometimes you just got to be patient and yeah making a decision
• 1:08:56
  within 2 weeks of it coming out yeah yeah bit no you're right yeah numbs AR
• 1:09:01
  good enough cancel it [ __ ] there was a big backlash but again as I said I think
• 1:09:06
  they brought a lot of that on themselves with their attitude is that they they
• 1:09:09
  leaned too heavily into the [ __ ] you nerds kind of thing and piss people off
• 1:09:15
  I'm a big fan of that though [ __ ] nerds well fans are the worst sometimes
• 1:09:21
  it doesn't work though clearly fans are the worst cancel the show on the basis
• 1:09:27
  of the people you just hold the [ __ ] off [ __ ] off like what are you doing like
• 1:09:33
  if Ryan Johnson had come out beforehand and said [ __ ] off don't watch it then
• 1:09:37
  and then no one watched it and then they like what do you know I would have loved
• 1:09:42
  that I would have loved that yeah he would have done us all a
• 1:09:45
  favor but that's another one not Ryan Johnson but we're talking about how
• 1:09:49
  Affleck [ __ ] hates Batman now like I was reading this interview with Gareth
• 1:09:54
  Edwards gare Edwards Gareth Evans which one's the [ __ ]
• 1:10:00
  Edwards the the Rogue guy yeah Edwards we know who you mean yeah yeah not not
• 1:10:05
  the MP from Australia in the '90s
• 1:10:09
  um but he was oh would you do another Star Wars he's like [ __ ] no now this is
• 1:10:15
  a guy who like went to Tunisia for his 21st you know what I mean cuz he just
• 1:10:20
  loved Star Wars lifelong Star Wars fan got to make one got fired from it and I
• 1:10:26
  was like [ __ ] Star Wars hate Star Wars I bet
• 1:10:31
  yeah sad I give it a go
• 1:10:35
  still love to see a Star Wars movie that Luke made be amazing written directed by
• 1:10:42
  and starring well yeah definitely be starring
• 1:10:47
  me make sure of that may not be starring but I'd definitely be you like look I'll
• 1:10:52
  do it but only if I can be it and Disney's like wait a minute hang on you came to
• 1:10:59
  us you know that uh cuz I I'll still I still stand by I I quite like force
• 1:11:05
  awakens right I know it gets a lot of [ __ ] I know people have decided it's no
• 1:11:09
  good now because they didn't like Last Jedi or rise of Skywalker so now so now
• 1:11:13
  everyone says the whole it's his it's JJ's fault heu a fun movie at the time I still
• 1:11:19
  enjoy it yeah same exactly um
• 1:11:23
  yeah but that trailer for it was was excellent the one that hardly gave
• 1:11:28
  anything away the teaser trailer that first came out was just on the desert
• 1:11:33
  and then um Finn just pops his head up yeah I want to see that but it's Luke he
• 1:11:39
  just pops up you know what I mean it's just like and then BBA B just Luke rolling on
• 1:11:45
  the ground yeah yeah yeah it's still just this orange
• 1:11:48
  ball yeah we can do that I have my green screen I haven't set up yet can you roll
• 1:11:55
  like a ball we uh we'll do that in post I'd love to do more of that stuff we we did
• 1:12:01
  some great stuff with the uh Batman trailer back in the day you know where
• 1:12:05
  we can do all sorts of stuff like that is uh it's in the Afterparty we should
• 1:12:08
  probably move over there I'll meet you there that's all for this week thank you
• 1:12:13
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