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Why Aren't Black People Profiting from Black Culture Trends · TMI

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  Speaker 1: I'm still just you know, feeling it from an incredible
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  Speaker 1: interview that we did last week, having um, some black
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  Speaker 1: men on our show talking about their lives their books
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  Speaker 1: because black men do write books. Um and uh. And
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  Speaker 1: you know, just thinking about the therapeutic nature of sitting
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  Speaker 1: down and putting your thoughts out there are trying to
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  Speaker 1: help save someone else's life. How powerful that is. And
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  Speaker 1: I know how hard it is to write a book
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  Speaker 1: is difficult. I'm actually writing my second book right now
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  Speaker 1: and it is very bit. It stresses me out, makes
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  Speaker 1: my stomach feel queasy and everything, because you know, I
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  Speaker 1: know what the process of the other and and and
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  Speaker 1: literally Angela Davis, Dr Angela Davis saved me from myself
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  Speaker 1: in in state of emergency because I was so stressed
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  Speaker 1: and I was feeling like the world just everything's closing
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  Speaker 1: in the book ain't gonna be that good. This is
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  Speaker 1: not this and that and the third. And she read
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  Speaker 1: it because she wouldn't put her forward into the book.
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  Speaker 1: She wouldn't become a part of the four without reading
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  Speaker 1: it to see if she thought the content was strong.
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  Speaker 1: So having her come back and agree one meant the
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  Speaker 1: book was solid. And she said it was a great book,
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  Speaker 1: incredible information and all of that gave me some tips.
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  Speaker 1: But then when she saw that I was continuing to stress,
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  Speaker 1: She's like, yo, you just got to write it down
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  Speaker 1: and put it in the world and let it go
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  Speaker 1: because you're always going to have more points, more thoughts
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  Speaker 1: or whatever. So you know, when you sit down and
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  Speaker 1: write a book, as you know, that's powerful tool to
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  Speaker 1: address some of your issues. And so today we have
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  Speaker 1: more black men, more black men, black men power. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: you know, we gotta get a little bit testoster, we
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  Speaker 1: gotta get and so, you know, always a lot happening. Um.
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  Speaker 1: You know, last week, maybe it's been about two weeks now,
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  Speaker 1: the Supreme Court blocked UM President Biden's nationwide vaccine and
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  Speaker 1: testing mandate for big businesses. We know who owns these businesses,
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  Speaker 1: so you know, and it's crazy because it's like some
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  Speaker 1: things in our community, we can be totally, you know,
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  Speaker 1: in disagreement with the big business and then on the
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  Speaker 1: other side, now so many of our people agree that
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  Speaker 1: they don't want to have vaccine mandates. So it's just
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  Speaker 1: always bouncing the ball back and forth. But I'll tell
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  Speaker 1: you what I see in that is that Biden is
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  Speaker 1: having a hard time. He's dealing with Kristen Cinema and
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  Speaker 1: other senators that are supposed to be Democrats Mansion that
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  Speaker 1: are not supporting his legislation. I mean, now, you know,
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  Speaker 1: it's just been several weeks of a lot of trauma,
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  Speaker 1: and we'll see what he does. But I'm very concerned
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  Speaker 1: that when the mid term elections come there that Democrats
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  Speaker 1: are gonna lose so bad, and not that they've been
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  Speaker 1: doing anything extraordinary. But I think what people often forget
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  Speaker 1: is that the mid term elections is not about who's president.
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  Speaker 1: The mid terms. Term elections are about your states, that
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  Speaker 1: is about your local living. And so when we say, well,
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  Speaker 1: you know, we're just gonna we don't care, we've checked out.
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  Speaker 1: We're just gonna let whoever take office wherever. Okay, but
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  Speaker 1: your state will be impacted by your inaction or your action,
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  Speaker 1: and and perhaps they are independent candidates and others that
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  Speaker 1: folks should be voting for. So I'm all about if hey,
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  Speaker 1: I've met one, but there might be a Republican that
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  Speaker 1: has more of a commitment to the empowerment of poor,
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  Speaker 1: middle class and underserved marginalized communities. And if you show
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  Speaker 1: me one of those, I would vote for him. I'm
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  Speaker 1: you know that's a fact. But I also understand that, um,
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  Speaker 1: you know, based upon what we know, if there ain't
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  Speaker 1: many and and I don't know, I don't I don't
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  Speaker 1: know how all this is gonna play out. But I
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  Speaker 1: tell you one thing me personally, I'm not I'm just
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  Speaker 1: I'm I'm like most people. I'm checked out. So that's
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  Speaker 1: I'm not moved. You're not moved. I'm not moved at all. Inspired.
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  Speaker 1: You know, I see these emails, Hey voting, I just
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  Speaker 1: go go my way. You know, nobody's inspired. I don't think.
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  Speaker 1: I think, Um, when we look at this administration and
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  Speaker 1: we looked at what we were promised, you know, it's
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  Speaker 1: just we haven't gotten anything, and you know, it's it's deflating.
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  Speaker 1: It's deflating, you know, in all transparency is really it's disheartening.
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  Speaker 1: You know, we're just living in times, especially in the
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  Speaker 1: times that we living were already living with the pandemic.
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  Speaker 1: We're living in trauma fields. Everything it seems like everything's
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  Speaker 1: going wrong. So now when you're like, Okay, we got
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  Speaker 1: an administration and says they want to do these things,
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  Speaker 1: and then you know, you just don't see it happen,
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  Speaker 1: and it's just you know, it's I just think, like
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  Speaker 1: we said, we need something different, man, We have to
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  Speaker 1: move towards galvanizing us and our energy, creating a voting
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  Speaker 1: block that is not partisan to anything but to our needs,
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  Speaker 1: you know, and creating that and making sure that whoever
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  Speaker 1: that we put our back in behind fits the needs
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  Speaker 1: and and they're willing enable, incapable to do things that
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  Speaker 1: we need them. Yeah, well I support that, and I
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  Speaker 1: think once people see that we've organized ourselves in a block,
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  Speaker 1: which by the way, we do vote in the block
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  Speaker 1: because nineties funthing percent of us vote for especially black
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  Speaker 1: women vote for Democrats. But it's the way in which
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  Speaker 1: we use our power and the way that they suppressed
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  Speaker 1: the wastes of people who are speaking from a very
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  Speaker 1: very radical perspective about what true change looks like. Um,
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  Speaker 1: that is problematic. So hopefully as we build a new thing,
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  Speaker 1: which we are working alongside other individuals who are are
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  Speaker 1: are really trying to do that, and as we work
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  Speaker 1: in those areas, hopefully we we stay true to our voices,
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  Speaker 1: because that is I don't think the problem is us
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  Speaker 1: voting together. I think the issue is making sure we
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  Speaker 1: have a platform and not being afraid of the use
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  Speaker 1: of the use of the word radical, like, you know,
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  Speaker 1: not just wanting to be progressive because progressive has become
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  Speaker 1: just throw it at the wall and hope it is fixed.
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  Speaker 1: But we're talking about like true radical change. So you
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  Speaker 1: have that, and then um, I to be wells there
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  Speaker 1: is a Barbie Doll coming. I think that is so powerful,
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  Speaker 1: you know. So it's like you move and then on
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  Speaker 1: the quarter, the quarter is gonna be my Angelo on
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  Speaker 1: the quarter, I bet you would. And then the Senate
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  Speaker 1: has passed the bill post luminously, post luminously. I never
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  Speaker 1: am able to say that correctly. To give Emmett Till
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  Speaker 1: and his mother the Congressional Gold Medal, which is a
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  Speaker 1: big deal. So there's some great things happen. It's not
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  Speaker 1: always bad, bad, bad, bad bad, not always bad, but
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  Speaker 1: there's some issues, you know, every now and then we
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  Speaker 1: do get something and we must must revel in those
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  Speaker 1: moments so that we are not just only you know,
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  Speaker 1: only dealing with trauma. So my thought of the day today,
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  Speaker 1: why do people think that folks who are are successful
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  Speaker 1: celebrities don't have true feelings right and don't actually experience
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  Speaker 1: trauma and and also respond just because your dance was
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  Speaker 1: hot or your you know, your you could sing really well,
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  Speaker 1: doesn't mean that you're not still human, that you don't
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  Speaker 1: still cut, bleed the same. Now, I understand that you
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  Speaker 1: have a responsibility to elevate above certain things because with success,
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  Speaker 1: with the limelight, with all of that, you have to
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  Speaker 1: learn how to control your emotions much much more. But
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  Speaker 1: this whole situation is happening with Cardi B and she's
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  Speaker 1: in court with a woman a YouTuber um and you know,
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  Speaker 1: Cardi had to take up um what you call STD
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  Speaker 1: test to determine whether or not she had herpes because
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  Speaker 1: this particular YouTuber went out and said that she had
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  Speaker 1: several std s I believe, but her thees was one
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  Speaker 1: of them, and so Cardi is suing her for defamation, which,
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  Speaker 1: by the way, I know for sure that I should
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  Speaker 1: have sued several people. And in fact, I need to
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  Speaker 1: really consider suing some people because of some of the
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  Speaker 1: lies that have been told about me um and how
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  Speaker 1: those things do impact you in your life and in
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  Speaker 1: multiple ways. So I'm really actually going to talk to
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  Speaker 1: my lawyer about the statue of limitations and like what
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  Speaker 1: I should do, because there are some people that I
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  Speaker 1: think I need to sue, and I'm I've been inspired
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  Speaker 1: by this particular moment um. But the so, the the
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  Speaker 1: so cardi Um is in court and I guess she
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  Speaker 1: was in court last week and she was basically saying
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  Speaker 1: that she felt suicidal, she didn't feel like she was herself,
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  Speaker 1: she didn't really want to have sex with her husband
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  Speaker 1: because this rumor was swirling out there and it bothered her.
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  Speaker 1: And I was reading the comments on I don't know,
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  Speaker 1: maybe it was a shade room or one of them,
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  Speaker 1: and people were like, oh please that I don't believe
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  Speaker 1: that this is just so that she can win the case.
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  Speaker 1: And I'm thinking to myself, I'm thinking to myself, you know,
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  Speaker 1: maybe she's saying she's making it more dramatized. Why but why,
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  Speaker 1: but why would this be so far fetch? Right? Like
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  Speaker 1: if you're you're a woman, you know, and anybody just anybody,
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  Speaker 1: but you're talking about somebody's physical you know, and that's
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  Speaker 1: not that's an embarrassing things with us. And you have
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  Speaker 1: millions of people who are hearing this, right, and then
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  Speaker 1: you reading messages, people sending you d m s, calling
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  Speaker 1: you names, and you gotta constantly hear these lies about yourself,
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  Speaker 1: you know, and you gotta live with that, you know,
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  Speaker 1: and you gotta constantly stay in that because I know
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  Speaker 1: somebody's sitting there saying, yo, you stole this or your
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  Speaker 1: you're fake this. It bothers me. You don't, it don't
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  Speaker 1: make me suicidal, but it bothers me because like you
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  Speaker 1: don't even know what about me? How do you get
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  Speaker 1: to say these things about me that ain't even true?
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  Speaker 1: So I know that bothers me. So if you're putting
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  Speaker 1: into the universe that somebody got herbies and all types
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  Speaker 1: of venereal diseases and they have to deal with that
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  Speaker 1: every day, and other people actually believe that and it's
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  Speaker 1: not true, like why would why would that make you feel?
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  Speaker 1: I mean, for some people it might make them feel
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  Speaker 1: suicidal because you know what I heard we're listening to her,
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  Speaker 1: is that, or at least I didn't listen to her.
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  Speaker 1: What what I hear in that what's deeply like sort
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  Speaker 1: of unpacked, is it's not probably it's probably not just
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  Speaker 1: that lie, but it is, uh, the combination of all
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  Speaker 1: the ship, the constant dealing with people making up stories
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  Speaker 1: about you, attacking you, coming after you. Now somebody's out
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  Speaker 1: here saying that you have a disease that you don't
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  Speaker 1: really that you don't have No maybe your husband he does,
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  Speaker 1: he believes you like he doesn't think you have it,
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  Speaker 1: or maybe you had other tests and the and they
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  Speaker 1: know it's not there, but it still is something that
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  Speaker 1: rings in the back of your mind. Now to have
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  Speaker 1: to go take a damn um STD test so that
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  Speaker 1: it can do so that the the results can be
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  Speaker 1: disclosed in a public court. And now is judge that
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  Speaker 1: has nothing to do with your life gets to say
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  Speaker 1: the other you actually have it or not, and whether
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  Speaker 1: this person was right for what they have said about you.
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  Speaker 1: That's kind of crazy. That is heavy. So I could
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  Speaker 1: see how she might feel that. I know people are
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  Speaker 1: gonna say, you just love Cardi Yup, I do. I do.
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  Speaker 1: And it doesn't mean that I don't love enough to say, oh, well,
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  Speaker 1: I don't think this was a good move or whatever.
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  Speaker 1: But I do love Cardi and um and and so
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  Speaker 1: when you love people, you support them, right. And when
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  Speaker 1: I hear some assistant saying that she felt suicidal because
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  Speaker 1: of what people you have done, it in the lies
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  Speaker 1: that people tell I haven't felt I haven't felt suicidal recently.
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  Speaker 1: And to your point, things do bother us. But we're
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  Speaker 1: getting to the point now where it's like who said it? Okay,
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  Speaker 1: you don't even matter, so who cares what you say? Right? Um?
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  Speaker 1: But but you know, but I will say that when
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  Speaker 1: I went through the Women's March experience, and it was
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  Speaker 1: the first time that I had been attack so publicly,
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  Speaker 1: and oh my whole life was just you know, people,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, just all the things, the death threats and everything.
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  Speaker 1: While I didn't go in my room and sit there
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  Speaker 1: and say let me kill myself, I swallowed enough pills
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  Speaker 1: in a day, sometimes thirty pills in a day that
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  Speaker 1: I was committing suicide. So so for some people to
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  Speaker 1: look at her and go, oh, that can't be true.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe she didn't do anything maybe she's not ready to
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  Speaker 1: tell her story about what she did do or whatever
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  Speaker 1: in terms of suicide. But I'm telling you that what
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  Speaker 1: I went through me the strong. You know, I speak well.
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  Speaker 1: I stand up in and and and and and deal
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  Speaker 1: with white supremacy every day. My as Teslin figure out,
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  Speaker 1: our girl would say, my real name is attached to
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  Speaker 1: my face. I'm not a faith profile. I got real
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  Speaker 1: death threats, I have real trauma of all that. So
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  Speaker 1: this me, all of this that I've been able to overcome.
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  Speaker 1: I sat by myself and swallowed at least twenty to
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  Speaker 1: thirty pills a day at the end of my addiction time. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: adapt that time in my life and I was in
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  Speaker 1: the process of committing suicide. That's a lot, man. And
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  Speaker 1: I don't think that anybody can judge that, right. I
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  Speaker 1: don't think anybody should be able to gauge your level
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  Speaker 1: of pain and your level of trauma and how you
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  Speaker 1: are affected by what people say or do to you.
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  Speaker 1: Because people because again to her point, right, it was
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  Speaker 1: it was it was the venereal des disease for her,
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  Speaker 1: But for me, it was I hate Jewish people because
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  Speaker 1: of my relationship and proximity to other black people who
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  Speaker 1: have said things that hurt the Jewish community. Not what
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  Speaker 1: I said. Then the lie of people saying, oh I
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  Speaker 1: heard to me to say something that sounded antisemitic. You know,
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  Speaker 1: she she walked in the room and sat down and
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  Speaker 1: just started saying out of nowhere, Oh the Jews did this,
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  Speaker 1: and the Jews did that. That's a lie. It never happened.
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  Speaker 1: But imagine with all of that coming at me. And
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  Speaker 1: I can't imagine, Cardie, she can't even turn her phone on.
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  Speaker 1: To your point, right, all of that coming at me,
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  Speaker 1: four hundred articles written about me in one day. I'm finished.
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  Speaker 1: She's over. She she's this, She's that. She wasn't this.
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  Speaker 1: She shouldn't have been a leader anyway. She grew up
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  Speaker 1: in the hood. She's nothing. She don't know that, she
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  Speaker 1: didn't study here, she didn't read this. Every single day,
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  Speaker 1: hearing these things about myself made me start to self medicate,
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  Speaker 1: to the point where I ended up in a freaking rehab.
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  Speaker 1: So who the hell like like, to your point, who
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  Speaker 1: are you just because you haven't experienced your time? It's easy.
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  Speaker 1: It's easy to make you know a determination on how
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  Speaker 1: somebody should feel when you've never been in a situation. Right,
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  Speaker 1: So that's that's what we learned. That's what experience. It
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  Speaker 1: teaches you when when you when you experience certain things,
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  Speaker 1: you you never know what somebody else's burden is. You
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  Speaker 1: never know how they deal with. Like you see people
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  Speaker 1: commit suicide every day, but things that people like, yo,
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  Speaker 1: you're like, you know, I wouldn't commit suicide over that,
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  Speaker 1: Like that's great, Like, but you don't you don't know
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  Speaker 1: what that person was then when you never know that
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  Speaker 1: inner turmoil and all these things that life has served anybody.
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  Speaker 1: So you know, we just gotta give grace to people.
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  Speaker 1: I pray for Cardi, you know, just just understanding for everybody. Public.
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  Speaker 1: It's hot, so it's it's hard. It's it's hard. Man.
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  Speaker 1: As as our profiles grow and my profile grows out,
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  Speaker 1: I find myself being attacked by so many different people,
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  Speaker 1: people who I don't know, some people you do know,
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  Speaker 1: you know, some people who have no significance or relevance.
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  Speaker 1: But then there are certain things and that people say
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  Speaker 1: that touches you a different way, especially when you hold
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  Speaker 1: certain things in high regard. You know, when you hold
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  Speaker 1: your reputation like me, I didn't grow up with a
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  Speaker 1: lot of money or anything, all I ever had with
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  Speaker 1: respect because the way I carried myself, you know, the
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  Speaker 1: way when you speak about me in most settings throughout
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  Speaker 1: the world, they'd be like, my song is a solid dude,
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  Speaker 1: that's the authentic dude. His word is his bond. He
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  Speaker 1: carries himself a certain way. So when you attack that,
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  Speaker 1: that's my most prized possession. It ain't about nothing else.
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  Speaker 1: So when you start attacking that, you know, and you
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  Speaker 1: start to even have people that know me questions did
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  Speaker 1: this happen? Or asking me questions, that's that's something that
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  Speaker 1: bothers me, you know what I'm saying. Then you feel
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  Speaker 1: the need to try to defend. But I realized you can't.
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  Speaker 1: You can't defend all of those things because if there's
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  Speaker 1: no end to it, right, it has no basis. Especially
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  Speaker 1: when you deal with social media and the internet, you
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  Speaker 1: don't have to have facts, right, You can just throw
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  Speaker 1: anything into the world. So we just got to continue
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  Speaker 1: to move and our own authenticity and move at our
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  Speaker 1: own pace and continue to be who we are. Man.
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  Speaker 1: Just I send prayers up to the Cardia and everybody else.
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  Speaker 1: If you're individual, if you're a person with a high profile, celebrity.
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  Speaker 1: I understan then trust me, I get I understand that
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  Speaker 1: you're dealing with a lot. Man. Just just understand that.
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  Speaker 1: Just give yourself, understand who you are, believe in yourself,
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  Speaker 1: and don't let nobody, especially nobody that don't know you,
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  Speaker 1: get to dictate who you are. That's it. That's that
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  Speaker 1: on that. So we are joined today by the man
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  Speaker 1: that hopefully will make me and you and you because
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  Speaker 1: we're both invested. You put a couple of all in
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  Speaker 1: this fan Base Act, which is really a movement that
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  Speaker 1: is being created by this this young man, this gentleman
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: who you know, I don't know who. I don't know
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: if people in our generation, well I guess our generation,
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: but the younger generation, if they appreciate who he is
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: and what he comes from the greatness of his father,
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: Isaac Hayes, the late great Isaac Hayes, and now here
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: his son, um Isaac Hay's the third is creating a legacy,
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: you know, on his own name, but based upon the
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: Hayes legacy. You know this strong tradition um and and
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: you know Isaac Hay's the third is also a record
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: producer and a vocal actor, which I would a vote.
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: A voice actor is what it says, and I want
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: to know what that means. I think I know because
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: those voices. If you know about the Isaac Hayes voice,
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: then you know what you know that that voice is
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: so powerful. Um. And but today his capacity is something
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: that's really important for our communities and and for me,
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: it is about being able to communicate with us on
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: a platform that is by us and all of us
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: putting our resources together to ensure that fan base becomes
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: as big, if not bigger than the facebooks and the
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: Instagrams and all these other platforms that people don't look
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: like us control clubhouse and all of that. Um, they're
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: making money and getting ad dollars off of our likes
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: and clicks and communication. But he has created fan base. Um.
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: And also it's very very politically astute as well. And
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: so we are happy to welcome Isaac Hayes the third politicians.
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: Thank you. That was a that was a wonderful introduction everything.
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: Thank you very much. I appreciate it. You have the voice,
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: You have the voice. Oh yeah, they passed down, They
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: got passed down. Tell me about the voice actor piece, Like,
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: what have you done that we would recognize I don't know.
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: I've been I've been doing voice over for almost twenty
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: years now. UM, so commercials, cartoons, Um, I've been on
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: Cartoon Network a bunch. I've done promost for Nickelodeon, McDonald's
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: commercials and all kinds of commercials. I mean it was
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: really my hustle coming up as a producer. But I
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: can hop in a hop on the studio real quick
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: and record something for a brand and come out with like,
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: you know, four thousand dollars that that's that's a lot
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: of money back back in the day, um, about twenty
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: years ago to pay rent. So for sure I was
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: with it. Wow. So, so tell us about fan base.
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: Let people know what is it. What is fan base? So?
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: Fan base is a social media platform that allows any
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: user to monetize their content via subscription um and virtual
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: currency we call love. So I wanted to create a
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: platform that allow people to have a following, to continue
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: to have that, but also put content behind pay walls
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: UM that allow people to subscribe to them. So everybody
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: becomes their own subscription service and provides the opportunity to
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: make some money in this new era that we're moving into. So,
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: so breakdown for me because first of all, which I
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: have to say and be very vulnerable and honest about,
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: it's just so much work for me to eat and
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: maintain the social media that I had that I haven't
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: actually transferred my life to fan base, which is something
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: that is going to happen as of today. So break
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: it down. What first of all, you said you gave
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: us the reason why you created it. What was the
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: void that you saw, um, that you wanted to that
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: you're trying to solve for for that's fun. And then
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: and then also take us into how it works specifically. Okay,
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: so the void is, Um, this young kid was dancing.
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: He went viral dancing and the Spider Man costume black kid.
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: It was by the name of Ghetto Spider. He's from Memphis, Tennessee.
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: I'm from Memphis, Tennessee. I just so happen to see
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: the video, um, and I just d M him and
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: said congratulations, young Memphis. It was just totally random, you know,
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: because he really danced and he hit me back and
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: I was like, are you a manager? Like I need
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: a manager, And you know, the conversation was very frantic
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: about him trying to figure out a way that my
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: anetize this moment that he was having on social media,
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: and I was like, I don't really manage influencers, but
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: I'll get back to you. And that was in March.
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: Next time I spoke to him was like in December
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: of twenty when I had already built fan base because
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: I left that conversation like, this kid doesn't know how
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: to monetize this talent. He doesn't own Spider Man. Marvel
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: and Disney can shut that down at any moment. So, um,
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: he needs to be able to charge people to know
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: how to dance like he does. And that was the energy,
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: UM behind building the platform. I think that was extremely
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: important that um, you know, people have an opportunity to
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: monetize their content and understanding that black culture drive social media,
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: like all the way to the top. I think you know,
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: everybody black left social media today it looked like a J. C.
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: Penny catalog. It would just be the most boring place
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: on earth. Um, there'll be nothing to do. And so
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: for us to be able to monetize our culture and
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: also at the same time be part of an infrastructure
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: that um, these companies are worth billions, you know, hundreds
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: of billions of dollars. It gives us a real opportunity
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: to emancipate ourselves from these infrastructures that don't properly reward
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: us for our creative genius. So that was the purpose
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: in the mission behind fan Base. And so how it
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: works is it's a totally free app. Anybody can download
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: it on the iOS um app Store, Android, UM. We're
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: available in a hundred and seventy plus countries worldwide, and
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: you can make a profile like you can make on
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: any platform. But the difference is you can put stuff
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: behind paywalls. You can put photos, videos, um you can
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: put long form content up to one hour behind the paywall.
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: So I'm virtually turning everybody into their own Netflix. If
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: you have a TV show, a podcasts, a short film
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: and you want to put people, put it behind the
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: paywall and have people subscribe to see it, you can
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: do that. UM. You have stories, we have live, we
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: have audio rooms, all that are able to be UM
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: tipped by this virtual currency we call love that people
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: buy from our subscription store, and every time you you
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: like something, it's free, but when you love it, you
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: give the creator half a penny and those add up
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: pretty fast. So that's how fan base you know works
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: in a nutshell. Wow, it's a lot of that's a lot,
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: you know when I'm listening to it and I hear
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: what you're saying, what what is the the thing that's
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: gonna grab somebody? Like? Right, because if you're already on Instagram,
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: if you're already on TikTok, you on these things like
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: how do we sell it to somebody? Like you need
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: to get this like it has to be is it
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: just the money monetary? Like what is the thing because
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: you know that it's very hard, like transitioning people. Everybody
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: is on Instagram or day, they already on Facebook, like
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: they their life is there. So what what are we
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: because we're invested in this, So what are we telling
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: people that are saying, look, this is where we need
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: to be. What is the selling the big thing? The
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: first thing that I would tell people is to invest again. Right,
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: I've opened the second round, Um, so people in invest
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: in fan base. Um I'm raising two point six million
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: on start Engine again. We've already raised over nine hundred
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: thousand dollars in about two weeks. Um. I'll stop to
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: raise at two point six million because I feel that
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: who better to actually have equity in the startup than
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: the people that make it popular. Right. Um. I witnessed,
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: you know, Clubhouse go from a hundred million dollar evaluated
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: company to a four billion dollar evaluated companies simply by
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: the black community and the entertainment community coming on the
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: platform and having conversation after conversation that was you know,
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: screen recorded, and we have viral and no one got
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: to own a piece of the company that contributed to
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: all of those conversations. I'm like, look, I want people
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: to actually own their social media. Um to do that,
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: and and yes, the money is is the main point
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: behind it, because we're kind of already behind right, Like
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: I tell everybody, we're in the subscription era. If you
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: don't believe that we are, you're already late, because we are.
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: And the reason why I say that is for a
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: couple of reasons. One, Um, in twenty of all in
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: app purchases were recurring, so that means they were subscriptions.
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: So if you bought an app, of the people that
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: purchase an app was an app to have recurring purchases
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: in it. So we are in the subscription era. The
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: primary source of all of our media that we Consume
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: now is subscription based with cable television, Netflix in Hulu,
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: Apple Music and Spotify. Um, the New York Times, Forbes, Um,
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: all these publications that you subscribe to online. Our productivity
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: apps that we use like Microsoft Word, Photoshop, Premiere pro um.
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: If you're in the music industry, now you you license
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: pro tools. You don't buy it anymore. Um. And then
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: the apps again, they are so people should be monetizing
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: their content because, um, the the ability to be the
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: point of distribution to a user is now yours. So
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: now people can subscribe directly to you, and that that
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: presents an opportunity for anybody on the planet to make money.
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: You might not make millions of dollars, but you absolutely
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: could be making thousands of dollars a month off your
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: social media. So how do I get my people? Is
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: it like I just gotta It's like guerilla marketing. I
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: gotta go on my Instagram page and tell people that
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: this the conversation and I'm having with you know whoever
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: is gonna happen on fan base, So meet me over there.
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: Is that just the strategy? Okay? So we just basically
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: shifting folks. Let me and let me explain why that's important.
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: There are two apps that to two startups that exist
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: right now that people used to monetize their content. One
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: is Patreon, one is only fans Um, and the the
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: big difference between those platforms and fan bases. Fan bases
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: and social network it is combined of users collectively creating
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: content that they can share with one another. Only fans
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: is not the type of environment where you're gonna actually
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: even maybe show your face because the majority of the
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: content on there is explicit content actuated content, right. And
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: then Patreon, you only go there to see The only
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: way you wind up on Patreon is when somebody tells
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: you to go specifically to their page. So it's not
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: a it's not a social network. You don't go on
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: the Patreon and see a bunch of different content that
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: you consume like a Netflix or like a Hulu. It's like,
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: go here directly to see my content, and you don't
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: really run into anything else. So the people on Patreon
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: only monetize the people that they bring to the platform.
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: So collectively, if you're doing that alongside of social network,
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: that people can share your content and maximize the opportunity
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: for you to monetize your content. So that's extremely important
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: because I explain to people all the time. People say, well,
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: you know, there's there's not a lot of people. We
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: have like a hundred and seventy thousand people on fan
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: base right now, which is a lot of people you know,
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: uh to to really in the social network starting out.
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: And I tell people all the time, so does an
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: arena magically appear with like twenty thousand people and all
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: of a sudden future shows up and says, I'm gonna
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: do a show for you guys, or the futures say
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: I'm doing a show at this arena on this date,
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: pull up, and then people go there and purchase tickets
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: to see that show. That's yes, that's the reason behind
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: you know, saying you have to drive your audience your
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: your social media following on most of the other platforms
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: is useless, right, And what I mean by that is, however,
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: many millions of followers or hundreds of thousands of followers
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: or thousands of followers you have on social media, you're
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: not you don't have access to all of them, right,
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: None of us have access to all of our following. Um,
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: if you have um fourteen million followers or twenty million
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: followers on Instagram. Instagram is not sending your content to
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: twenty million people. There's no way they're gonna do that.
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: And if because if they did, um, the brands would
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: come and pay you and not pay them, Like why
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: would they? Why would they give you the same visibility
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: that they charge Coca Cola for that doesn't like wake
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: up like understand that You'll know, if you've got twenty
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: million followers, you have access to three percent of those
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: people because you know, like fourteen million people is the
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: equivalent of Sunday Night Football and NBC and brands paid
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: half a million dollars for thirty seconds for that type
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: of visibility. Why would they give you that for free?
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: So you are but but on your platform, on our platform, yeah,
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: fan base, you have more access to more people. Yeah,
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: we don't throttle down engagement. So like when you go
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: live on fan base, if you have a million followers,
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: we're gonna send out a million notifications, right because because
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: the more people that show up, UM, the opportunity for
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: you to generate revenue and make money. The more content
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: you posted, everybody sees your content and you have the
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: higher visibility of being able to actually monetize that content,
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: and it's working. You know, people are already making money
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: on the platform. People are making two three dars a month,
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: five hundred dollars a month, a thousand dollars a month
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: or fan base already, and I think that's significant, and
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: most of it is coming from virtual currency, not subscriptions.
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: We haven't really even moved into really that space yet
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: where people are just creating so much content that they
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: subscribe to. But I think people don't realize that their
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: content has value, right, They don't realize that there's a
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: a you to what um they're they're creating because all
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: the content we collectively post on social media, they run
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: ads in between that and make billions of dollars and
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: don't give any of that revenue to the user, I think.
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: But Facebook and Instagram and eighties six billion dollars and
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: revenue off ads in how much of that money did
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: they give to the users? None? So break down contents
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: of suppression suppression content. So content suppression is when um,
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: you post something and it's hidden from a significant portion
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: of people for whatever reason. One the messaging might not
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: be something that the platform wants to represent. And I
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: explained this by by way of like, people complain about
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: content suppression on the platform like Facebook or Instagram, but
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: that platform is beholding to the brands that pay them.
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: So hypothetically speaking of if I'm a very conservative brand
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: and I want to market whatever I'm paying Facebook or
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: Instagram for and I'm about to spend ten million dollars
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: in ads, and I go to Facebook and say I
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: don't want any Black Lives Matter content or any l
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: g B t Q content showing next to my post
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: because it's wasting my money. And what do you think
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: Facebook and Instagram gonna do. They're gonna turn down the gay,
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: They're gonna turn down the Black Lives Matter. After that
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: ad runs, they'll turn it back up. So that's the
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: reason why they do that. It's like, we're gonna get
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: our money and then we're just gonna hide your content
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: for a day or two or collective collectively speaking, if
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: there's a message that's being said that the platform you
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: know that most of the people that are on the
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: platform may or may not agree with, they'll hide it,
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: they'll suppress it, they'll push it down. And that affects
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: a lot of people's ability to get their message out.
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: And in some instances monetized based on what the platform
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: considers appropriate. So the so when I post something on Instagram,
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: like how quick do they get to see this? Is
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: it robotic? Is it like it's a system they immediately
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: know that you're or is it just me talking? Period?
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: And they know I'm black Lives matter? You know in
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: quotes were until freedom. But you know what I'm saying
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: is that what happens, So that shadow banning. So shadow
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: banning is when they target you and say, look, we want,
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: we don't want to make your Mallory to have a
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: voice on this platform, so we make it harder for
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: people to find her. Right, it might be like if
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: we don't, if you don't type your exact name the
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: way it's spelled, then people can't find you at all
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: because most most predictive searches, like you tap in, you know,
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: the first two or three letters of your name, and
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: then it will pull up all the people that are similar,
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: especially if it's somebody that you might have liked that
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: content or or or follow that person right, or somebody
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: you know follows them. So then what happens is if
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: you're not very, very, very exact, then they throw it
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: down or they put filters that say um inappropriate content filter.
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: That could be anything from profanity to um partial nudity,
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: which is still allowed on the platform. But once that
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: filters turn on, it'll filter that content. So you have
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: to turn it off so you can see everything that
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: you want to see, like show me every anything, don't
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: hide anything from me. That's the point. And they put
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: that on by default. So that's shadow manny. That's entirely different.
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: Suppression is you post something. It might have words in
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: it that talk about COVID and vaccines. It might have
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: words in it that talk about Trump or talk about
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: abortion or whatever, and they and and the algorithm recognizes
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: that and says, okay, let's smush that down or let's
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: push that up um and highlight that content. And so
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: that's how those algorithms work. Took to I guess, in
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: a sense, present content to people that brings a lot
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: of engagement and suppress content of those people that may
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: not want to see that content or disagree with that message. Wow, well,
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: let me ask a conspiracy theory. Shadow band during elections
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: all the time, Like I'm like, literally the Trump election
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: last year, my engagement went down literally minus. I was silenced.
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: Nobody saw anything that I posted until after the lectures
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: over or Rackisly people started seeing my content against They're like, yeo,
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: we gotta gotta shut this dude down. So they turned
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: me all the way off during the election. So okay,
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: so that's why this is my conspiracy. It ain't that
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: much of a conspiracy. It's really my theory. But you know,
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: is it do you think that that's also that they
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: are turning up ignorance, like so that our culture is
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: influenced by sex cells, violent cells and all of that,
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: and then they turned down those people who are trying
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: to do you know, we're trying to teach positive things,
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: whether it be therapy all the way to um, you know,
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: empowerment messaging and political message And do you think that
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: that's possible or are my is it really a conspiracy theory?
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: I think it might be a little bit of both
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: because what I consider like a lot of the stuff
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: that happens on social media mental junk food. But we
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: love junk food, right, We love candy and potato chips,
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: and our brain, our synapses fire when we take that sugar,
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: and so those types of conversations that are sometimes divisive
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: or um controversial create a lot of engagement. If somebody
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: is getting beat up in front of like a bar
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: full of people and a boo pop out people wanna
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: be sending, or somebody slips and falls, or it's some
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: sort of really dramatic situation that normally doesn't come across
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: um the odds of an individual, that creates a lot
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: of engagement. So what happens is the algorithm crudely recognizes
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: that it thinks that that's what people wants to see
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: want to see, and it serves that content to other people.
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: That happens a lot on TikTok where you can wind
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: up in rabbit holes of depression or suicidal or conspiracy
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: theory rabbit holes that only they only show you content
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: that they think you like. So if it's like, okay,
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: I'm an anti vacks person, then you might wind up
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: in an anti vaccine rabbit hole. You might wind up
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: in a Trump rabbit hole um or any kind of
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: rabbit hole that could be like depression or suicide. So
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: it's still a crude, cruely formed algorithms that I think
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: that that's what you want to see because you engage
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: with it more and therefore it keeps you on the
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: platform longer, and then it allows them to serve you
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: ads longer. So it's really this whole system um of
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: designed monetization by you know, feeding people what they think
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: they want to see and so that mental junk food.
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: We all are guilty of seeing that if content Kanye
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: goes crazy on the Internet, Everybody's gonna tune in. So
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: they're gonna send Kanye to everybody, and that's why. So
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: so while Kanye's ranting or doing what he does, they're
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: serving they're serving ads um to the people in between
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: that content. Yeah, I definitely noticed that we've we get
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: overloaded with so much things, so many things that don't
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: have any type of relevance or you know, possibility of
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: elevating us at all. So we definitely need to control
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: and monetize our own you know, platforms, and our own
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: voices and our own content. So fan base, I'm so
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: even though I've been so because I'm invested, but I
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: think we got to start transit over there so that
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: we can, you know, create the messages that we want
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: to have without having our content suppressed. But we just
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: learned that we have to invest more. You don't don't look.
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: Don't like he didn't miss an opportuned to say, gave
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: us that money, But we need to you know what,
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: let me, let me, let me tap into something that
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: I think is extremely important right about black culture. Right,
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: and this is what I say about black black people
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: in African American people in the United States of America.
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: We are the youngest and smallest culture group on planet Earth. Right,
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: were about six hundred years old. We're very very small,
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: but we're the most influential globally. And so what happens
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: with that is we create and innovate at a speed
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: and the pace that we don't even realize we're making
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: like industries off of our invention. I tell everybody this, this, this,
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: these these two examples that are very relevant. Um the
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: moment that Grandmaster Flash e j on two turn turntables
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: and a mixer and Luke the beat, somebody should went
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: to him and said, do not show a living soul
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: what you just showed me. Let's go figure out how
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: to make record players. Because fast forward two thousand twenty two,
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: pioneers and techniques and and and Serrato's of the world
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: owned DJ culture off his invention, We we we created
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: the culture, but we don't own the infrastructure. Right. That
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: creates an enormous amount of revenue for a company. Right,
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: And then the same example with like automobiles, right to
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: pit my Ride era, we got led lights and cars,
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: star ceilings, TVs and the headrest, amazing sound systems, rims.
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: Every luxury car in existence has all of those amenities now,
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: but we don't own a Ford, we don't own a Chevy,
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: We don't own any of those. And then use that
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: an example with social media. We give our clapp backs
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: to Twitter, our dances to TikTok, our conversation to clubhouse,
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: our skits and all our comedy to Instagram, and we
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: don't own Facebook. We don't own Clubhouse, we don't own Twitter,
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: we don't own any of these platforms. So with fan
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: base collectively, any person that's on social media should have
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: the opportunity to own a part of a social media
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: platform that they use, especially the black community, because when
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: this whole Black Lives Matter era came upon us, a
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: lot of corporations promised to do a lot of great things. Right,
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: So think about the eighties six billion dollars that Facebook
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: made an ad revenue off a lot of the culture
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: and content that African American people contributed to that to
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: that platform. Now go to Facebook and ask them to
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: take six billion dollars and put it directly in the hood.
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: Tell them to tell them to put six billion dollars
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: in Chicago right or or or or in Atlanta, right
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: in the hood with these young kids. They're gonna say,
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: get out of here, right. And so fan base serves
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: and an opportunity collectively to be able to support whatever movement,
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: whatever movement it is that can support people. But understand
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: that Black culture will not be left behind, right, it
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: will not be left by the wayside or ignored um
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: or or just you know, say thanks for all your culture.
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: You know, we're making billions of dollars in ads and
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: not really return the favor to the community. So I
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: tell everybody invest by shares um. The raise closes at
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: two point six million UM. We're almost at a million dollars,
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: So you can go to start engine, dot com slash
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: fan base to invest. The minimum to invest it's two
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: hundred and fifty dollars. So you might as well take
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: two hundred fifty dollars and put it towards something that
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: can grow and develop value that fifty million. These companies
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: that are that we're talking about, our value that two
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: hundred billion, four hundred billion, nine hundred billion dollars. So
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: imagine taking an investment that could that could potentially have
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: a return of five thousand x two thousand x. That's
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: the type of potential that fan Base has and will
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: have because we're going to continue to grow. Wow, well
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: that's enough for men a change a little bit more
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: change more dollars billionaires in the next year. Man, I
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: can't see. It's like what you said is like it's
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: a combination of all of what we the social media sites.
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: But what actually happens is we're able to monetize like
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: it does acts as pretty much as everything else. But
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: it's always kind of but but we own it. And
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: I saw you were putting out the call to Cardy
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: and others, so I said, well, that's what we will
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: work on. The two of us are going to get
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: on the phone and say, you need to go to
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: fan base and make sure that she's seeing it. So
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: let me tell you something. I've been posting them numbers
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: and my literally my phone has been ringing off the
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: hook because people don't believe that they're leaving that much
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: money on the table. I'm gonna give you a quick scenario.
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: Beyonce has two hundred million followers on her Instagram worldwide, right, cool.
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: Ten percent of that is ten million people. That's to
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: be high. Those are the people that love Beyonce around
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: the world, those ten million people. If those ten million
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: people pay Beyonce two dollars and fifty cents a month,
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: that's twenty five million dollars a month. That's three hundred
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: million dollars a year just five percent of those people.
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: You see what kind of wealth is going to be
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: generated through the subscription are. I promise you this are
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: is gonna generate so many millionaires and so many billionaires
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: that I can come directly to you for your content.
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: I can subscribe directly to your TV show, your comedy special,
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: your master class from around the world. It's gonna explode.
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: I promise you. I guarantee. It's I feel like saying yeah,
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: I feel like the guy that's saying the asteroids coming
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: and everybody's laughing, like no, I mean, it's it's really
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: a no brainer. It's just it's it's like pretty much right,
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: It's like what what what we did with hip hop, right,
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: people just start saying, all right, I'm gonna pay this
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: promoter to start. You know, he's gonna give me um
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: a hundred thousand dollars to do a show. And the
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: innovators say, you know what, I don't need to pay
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: the promoter. I'm the thing. I'm just gonna rent out
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: the I'm rent out the the um, the venue, and
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna make a hundred million dollars instead of making
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: That's what it's like. So when you start understanding that,
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: and you understand that as an influence, so you actually
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: drive the content to the to the place. They don't
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: give you the content, they don't bring the people. You
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: bring the people. This So when you're saying, all right,
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: we're going over here, and even if I only make
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: one percent, I'm making more money than I'm making over there,
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: and I'm gonna give to somebody, it's really actually a
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: no brainer for some is a brainer for others. Because
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: people in our community, we've been trained that as soon
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: as somebody says something to you about a dollar, we
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: automatically start having all these negative thoughts about, oh, you're
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: trying to get me, and it's gonna be a scam
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: and this and that, and that's that's what we have
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: to overcome. Absolutely. I think when we when we when
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: we realize our value um collectively. And I'm telling I
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: tell everybody this, this is this is the easiest legal
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: flip of all time. And what I mean is, I'm
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: gonna ask you a question, and I'm gonna I'm gonna
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: seve you guys, give me the answer. What directly affects
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: the value of a social media platform? What directly affects? Yeah?
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: What if? What directly effects the value of the social
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: media platform? Thank you? Okay? So now easy, right. So
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: let's say somebody made it out that you can invest
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: in on shares and then you tell everybody to come
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: to the platform. Guess what happens. The value of the
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: company goes up. So you're legally inflating the value of
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: your own asset by using it in the world. But yeah,
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: let me so I got I got twenty million followers.
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: Let me go buy some shares and fan base and
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: tell those twenty million people to come over with the
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: fan base. And now my company has gone from fifty million.
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: Your company that I'm investing it, that was worth fifty
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: million is now worth two billion dollars. Well, listen, we
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: have another guess that's waiting UH to get on with us.
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: But I mean it's really really interesting. I'm really really invested,
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: not just from a financial perspective, but invested in this
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: idea of us building our wealth, like the pending on
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: these systems, as you know, to somehow empower our communities.
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: It clearly is not working for us, and so we
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: have to start finding other ways and what do they say,
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: economic or economic engines to support our own communities, our
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: own causes. Imagine if people would take some of the
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: resources that they are receiving from fan base and help
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: to invest in the work that we do on the
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: ground every day where we won't we won't have to
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: at this point, we haven't had to rely on corporate dollars,
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: but we know that if we don't receive donations from individuals, investments,
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: but you know, donations from individuals, we will eventually have
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: to say to somebody, give us some of your diversity money,
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: right and then and then that's where they start trying
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: to control the message. And so we've got to go.
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: But I want to make sure we give a shout
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: out to Monique Idlet and also Roland Martin. Roland didn't
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: even give us an option. He sent the link to
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: a chat and said go now and invest today, and
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: you know, and we did it. We follow both of
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: them as they describe what they believe is a great invention,
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: a great creation that um, they're heavily invested in as well.
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: And so I'm happy to be a part of this
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: from the ground up and we know that it's gonna
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: be like it's gonna be it, it is it already. Thanks,
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: appreciate you. I appreciate you guys very much, fan base.
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: So you know, the thing with with Isaac Hayes, the
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: third that we didn't get to cover because I really
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: didn't want our interview with him to focus on his dad.
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: I'm sure everybody asked him so much about his father,
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: but his father had some financial challenges. I think at
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: one point his house was being sold on foreclosure. He
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: definitely went through some financial things and you know, you
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: read these things online. I don't know how true it is,
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: but what I will will say, but I know for
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: sure there was some financial challenges and I'm sure that
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: had something to do with why the third Isaac case.
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: The third realizes, hey, we've got to do something about
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: securing black wealth. I think that for us is how
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: we are going to uh perhaps be able to transition
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: the mindset, is to show people examples of where we
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: got it wrong and how we can now uh, you know,
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: change the way that we see money and our relationship
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: with money. UM. So, you know, I'm really proud of
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: what he's doing because I know that people probably give
• 49:35
  Speaker 1: him hell, you know, and it's hard. You know. Of
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: course we didn't have a lot of time to talk
• 49:39
  Speaker 1: about the challenges and how difficult it is. But he's
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: still pushing forward and he's and he also is very
• 49:46
  Speaker 1: politically engaged. So this is somebody who's not like, well,
• 49:50
  Speaker 1: I don't I don't do that black stuff, you know
• 49:52
  Speaker 1: what I mean, I ain't in that, I don't do
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: that black stuff. I'm just focused on this app and
• 49:57
  Speaker 1: that's it, because you know, that's how some of our
• 49:59
  Speaker 1: people are are. He's somebody that's like, now, I'm willing
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: to put it on the line because I understand that
• 50:04
  Speaker 1: wealth is not just connected to us putting money in
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: our pocket, but it's the development of our communities. And
• 50:10
  Speaker 1: we've heard him say it today you know, definitely need
• 50:13
  Speaker 1: to fan base. Someone put my next investment in so
• 50:16
  Speaker 1: we can get a few more tolls, a few more
• 50:19
  Speaker 1: to all his men, shout out to Isaac Hay's. Um,
• 50:21
  Speaker 1: just hearing him, you know he's and once again it
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: seems like a no brainer. It seems like, look, you
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: listen to what he said. He tells you how you
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: can make the money. And if you are an influencer,
• 50:33
  Speaker 1: and you know that every time you go on a
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: site anybody, anywhere you go, you bring millions of people there.
• 50:40
  Speaker 1: Why not bring millions of people somewhere that you can
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: make millions of millions of people. It just seems like
• 50:46
  Speaker 1: common sense to me. But you know, we'll see, we'll see,
• 50:49
  Speaker 1: because we're gonna push him. I'm rolling up everybody, make
• 50:51
  Speaker 1: sure get on fan base. Fan base, fan base. So
• 50:54
  Speaker 1: we've got our next interview. Yes, the next interview one
• 50:58
  Speaker 1: of my guys. Man. So now we have one of
• 51:02
  Speaker 1: my son's friends who was about to become my friend,
• 51:06
  Speaker 1: UM through this this segment today. He is a change maker. UM,
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: and we're really really um humble to have with us
• 51:15
  Speaker 1: Um DeForest b Stories. He's an author. The book is
• 51:19
  Speaker 1: called De Free, Breaking Free, from financial slavery. And you know,
• 51:25
  Speaker 1: we've been really focusing and we're gonna continue, um frequently
• 51:30
  Speaker 1: to talk about money, black people and our relationship to money. UM.
• 51:36
  Speaker 1: So folks who are like what they just did a
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: financially yep, and expect that there will be another one
• 51:41
  Speaker 1: coming up. We're gonna talk about money from a political perspective,
• 51:44
  Speaker 1: money from an investment perspective, money from saving money, from
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: all the all the different perspectives. UM. And I think
• 51:52
  Speaker 1: one of the things that makes UM, this gentleman a
• 51:55
  Speaker 1: special guest is that he is a retired pastor. For
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: the thirty years. Thirty years he was a pastor and
• 52:03
  Speaker 1: just in July thirty one has retired. And so his
• 52:06
  Speaker 1: relationship to the conversations around money, raising money, and dealing
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: with black folks and money is really really deep and strong.
• 52:15
  Speaker 1: And so when I hear somebody say breaking free from
• 52:18
  Speaker 1: financial slavery, I know I'm a slave at times. I'm
• 52:21
  Speaker 1: a slave to purchases that I like to make. I'm
• 52:25
  Speaker 1: a slave to holding my money, hoarding it, being afraid
• 52:30
  Speaker 1: to to invest in things. So I'm happy to have
• 52:33
  Speaker 1: our change making the forest be stories. Who said his
• 52:36
  Speaker 1: name is Buster said they call buster. That's what's happing
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: in Buster? How you feeling it? In King? My friend
• 52:44
  Speaker 1: and my hero. Good to see you, Ms Mallory. I've
• 52:48
  Speaker 1: loved you for years. You have no idea I loved
• 52:51
  Speaker 1: you all the way back to the National Youth Movement. Yes, yes, yes, sir,
• 52:56
  Speaker 1: yes sir. So you are my degree with it and
• 52:59
  Speaker 1: I want to come in both of you for you
• 53:01
  Speaker 1: for the work that you do. You know, one of
• 53:03
  Speaker 1: one of the things that I prayed for every time
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: I see what you're doing, that you would be able
• 53:08
  Speaker 1: to stand strong despite the criticism and the hatred from
• 53:13
  Speaker 1: the people that you're fighting for that part of your work.
• 53:18
  Speaker 1: Activists who are sincere you are have as your greatest
• 53:23
  Speaker 1: challenge the fact that it's it's harder to it's it's
• 53:27
  Speaker 1: harder to help people today than it ever was before.
• 53:30
  Speaker 1: It's like folks that are drowning. When a lifeguard jumps
• 53:34
  Speaker 1: into a pool to save a drowning person, the lifeguard
• 53:37
  Speaker 1: has to be ready for the fact that the drowning
• 53:39
  Speaker 1: person will make them drown if they're not strong enough.
• 53:42
  Speaker 1: So I want to commit both of you because both
• 53:45
  Speaker 1: of you have have increased in stature, but you've also
• 53:50
  Speaker 1: increased in hatred, and often the hatred comes from your
• 53:53
  Speaker 1: own people. To people you're trying to liberate are the
• 53:57
  Speaker 1: ones that are coming at you. And I just want
• 53:59
  Speaker 1: to tell you of that there are people out there
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  Speaker 1: like me who see it, who recognize it, who admire
• 54:05
  Speaker 1: your strength, and who prayed for you. We need all
• 54:08
  Speaker 1: the prayers we can't. We truthfully thankfully appreciate that, man, because,
• 54:13
  Speaker 1: like you said, to be your own people, people you're
• 54:15
  Speaker 1: trying to save, they're the person trying to bring you down,
• 54:18
  Speaker 1: so you know, and we just want to say thank
• 54:21
  Speaker 1: you man. You know I've been ever since we were
• 54:24
  Speaker 1: we met UM and we did our conversation, you know,
• 54:27
  Speaker 1: I've been paying attention and just watching you evolve in
• 54:30
  Speaker 1: your message and and being persistent and consistent, and you know,
• 54:35
  Speaker 1: trying to make sure that we are aware about financial
• 54:38
  Speaker 1: slavery and how we can be free from that. And
• 54:41
  Speaker 1: I see that you're developing the book is now being
• 54:43
  Speaker 1: developed into an app, you know, trying to make sure
• 54:46
  Speaker 1: that is UM culturally savvy and it's it's of the time.
• 54:49
  Speaker 1: So that's still so tell us about free, okay, well,
• 54:54
  Speaker 1: de free to make a start? It really when I
• 54:57
  Speaker 1: was thirty one years old. You know, when I was eighteen,
• 54:59
  Speaker 1: I got my first credit card, and I lived on
• 55:02
  Speaker 1: credit cards for thirteen years. I was an activist, um
• 55:07
  Speaker 1: I was called to ministry, but I was addicted to things.
• 55:10
  Speaker 1: I was more interested in my look than I was
• 55:13
  Speaker 1: my wealth. And you know, my dad died when he
• 55:16
  Speaker 1: was forty seven. He died from an overdose of anesthesia
• 55:20
  Speaker 1: in the hospital, and at that time, my mother was
• 55:23
  Speaker 1: forty four. I was the National Directive Operation push at
• 55:26
  Speaker 1: that time, and although I was happy doing my job,
• 55:30
  Speaker 1: I love Reverend Jackson factors, and my father died. If
• 55:33
  Speaker 1: he had not had insurance, I couldn't have brought my
• 55:36
  Speaker 1: mother a dinner because I was spending so much money.
• 55:40
  Speaker 1: And I was looking good on the outside, but I
• 55:42
  Speaker 1: was really living bad on the inside. And so for
• 55:45
  Speaker 1: for thirteen years, I was going from credit card to
• 55:48
  Speaker 1: credit card. You know, when I was licensed to preach,
• 55:51
  Speaker 1: I treated and paid for Chevy to buy a Cadillac
• 55:54
  Speaker 1: that took up half my paycheck. And and on Tuesday night,
• 55:58
  Speaker 1: you know, I went to prayer meeting and came home
• 56:00
  Speaker 1: to bill collectors calls. On Thursday night, we had protest meeting.
• 56:04
  Speaker 1: Every Thursday night, we looked for somebody to hit the
• 56:06
  Speaker 1: next week. And every Thursday night I got bill collector calls,
• 56:10
  Speaker 1: and I thought it was okay. I thought it was normal.
• 56:13
  Speaker 1: I didn't have savings. I couldn't donate to the n
• 56:16
  Speaker 1: double a CP Unnited Negro College Fund. I was living
• 56:20
  Speaker 1: from credit card to credit card. And my black grandmother.
• 56:24
  Speaker 1: I'm from Brooklyn, and my grandmother was in Brooklyn. And
• 56:28
  Speaker 1: when my grandmother died in Brooklyn, when I was thirty
• 56:32
  Speaker 1: one years old, she left three houses paid for. One
• 56:36
  Speaker 1: house was a brownstone, open crowned heights, the other was
• 56:39
  Speaker 1: a bedroom old hotels she brought up in in Upstate,
• 56:45
  Speaker 1: New York. And the third was open bed style where
• 56:48
  Speaker 1: I was born on Jefferson. And so the first house
• 56:51
  Speaker 1: that I inherited, I inherited from my grandmother. And I
• 56:54
  Speaker 1: said at her grave that if my black grandmother, with
• 56:58
  Speaker 1: six children, no SIP rights, with a husband who was
• 57:02
  Speaker 1: disabled because he had a stroke, if if my grandmother
• 57:05
  Speaker 1: was only skill was sewing, could die and leave three
• 57:09
  Speaker 1: houses debt free, and shame on me with all of
• 57:12
  Speaker 1: my civil rights and all of my activism and all
• 57:14
  Speaker 1: of my education. If if when I died, all I
• 57:17
  Speaker 1: had to leave was credit card and furniture and car bills.
• 57:21
  Speaker 1: And so that day at her grave, I dedicated the
• 57:24
  Speaker 1: rest of my life to resisting the temptation of helping
• 57:29
  Speaker 1: rich people stay rich and speaking truth to power, but
• 57:32
  Speaker 1: being broken, have nothing to leave my kids in community.
• 57:36
  Speaker 1: H WHOA wait, that's that's a dedication man. So when
• 57:40
  Speaker 1: when you say that, what, what do you think is
• 57:44
  Speaker 1: the biggest problem of our generation right now? And in
• 57:49
  Speaker 1: relation to money and releasing to being slaves to um finances,
• 57:55
  Speaker 1: what do you think is the biggest problem? I think,
• 57:59
  Speaker 1: and I told you I was want to say something
• 58:00
  Speaker 1: I haven't really said it before publicly. I think our
• 58:03
  Speaker 1: biggest challenge today is we've lost the spirit of resistance.
• 58:10
  Speaker 1: You see, money is political, money is social, money is
• 58:13
  Speaker 1: is um is cultural. Let's think back to December nineteen.
• 58:18
  Speaker 1: You know, from a civil rights and social action perspective,
• 58:22
  Speaker 1: December one, ninety launched the movement that transformed the country.
• 58:28
  Speaker 1: It was a boycott. It was not just the protest
• 58:32
  Speaker 1: and the fact that black people in Montgomery were willing
• 58:35
  Speaker 1: to withhold their financial support for the bus system that
• 58:41
  Speaker 1: dehumanized them, gave them the power to change the system.
• 58:45
  Speaker 1: The protest lasted three four days, and people were willing
• 58:49
  Speaker 1: to walk instead of ride, But it was using that
• 58:52
  Speaker 1: money pursuing to the spirit of resistance. We've lost our
• 58:58
  Speaker 1: willingness to exist and use our financial capacity in the
• 59:04
  Speaker 1: fight for social justice and for freedom, and so we
• 59:08
  Speaker 1: we cuss and fight and and criticize all all of
• 59:13
  Speaker 1: the systemic evils, and then we go right out and
• 59:16
  Speaker 1: spend and use money in a way to support the
• 59:19
  Speaker 1: people that we say we disagree with. So I think,
• 59:23
  Speaker 1: I mean, that's that's philosophical, but it's rooted in history.
• 59:27
  Speaker 1: You know, when you look when you look at nineteen Tulsa, Oklahoma.
• 59:32
  Speaker 1: One side of that story is that white racism was
• 59:35
  Speaker 1: so angry at the development of Black Wall Street they
• 59:39
  Speaker 1: just burned it down. Six hundred businesses, six guys own
• 59:44
  Speaker 1: private airplanes, we had a hotel, movie theater of nineteen.
• 59:48
  Speaker 1: We didn't get the Tulsa to around nineteen o five,
• 59:51
  Speaker 1: which made that between nineteen o five and nine one black.
• 59:55
  Speaker 1: The black community in Tulsa but so serious about self
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 1: development that they built Wall Street sufficient to make white
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 1: folks mad. And so I'm as interested in what they
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 1: did and how they behaved from nineteen oh five to
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 1: nineteen one, as I am what white people did in
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 1: response to them in nineteen one. So so I think
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 1: when I you asked me to make it? What is
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 1: D three? D free in one sense is the strategy
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 1: that I use to get from having credit as as
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 1: my barrier to wealth. I would you know if I was,
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 1: if I was an activist to day iris I was woked.
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 1: I was woke, but I was broke, and and to
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 1: be woken broke means that we used go fund me
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 1: as an insurance company. To be woke and broke means
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 1: that we will allow people to come from all over
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 1: the world and buy up our neighborhoods. You know, to
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 1: be woke and broke, man, you've got more money on
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 1: your head than you do in your bank account. So
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 1: what what I am, what I'm doing through D free
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 1: is I took my own testimony, my own journey. I
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 1: had to do three things. One, I had to stop
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 1: using debt and credit as though it was income. You know,
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 1: I made twenty five thousand a year when I worked
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 1: for Push, but I had a credit card that gave
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 1: me five thousand dollars worth. The spending power, and so
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 1: I lived as if I earned thirty thousand dollars. So
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 1: I never caught up. I was. I was a share
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 1: cropper with a gold credit card in my pocket. Because
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 1: share croppers basically lived on other people's land, and they
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 1: never caught up. So the first thing I did but
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 1: start stop using credit to support a lifestyle I could
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 1: not afford. The second thing I had to do was
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 1: to I had to stop paying my bills late. I
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 1: would pay bills late, and I would you know, I
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 1: was busy, I will always, but y'all know about being business.
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 1: I was busy going to a protest, busy organizing the meeting.
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 1: I was busy putting together speech, and I would live
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 1: to really forget to pay my bills on time. And
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 1: I was paying late fees thirty five dollars, thirty five dollars,
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 1: thirty five dollars, and that money adds up. So I
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 1: had to stop paying my bills late. And then the
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 1: third thing I did was I had to start living
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 1: within the amount of money I had and wait until
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 1: I made more to spend more. So so those three
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 1: DS were debt, delinquency, and deficits. So once I got
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 1: that under control. Once. Once I started spending as I
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 1: went and paying my bills on time, and then living
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 1: within my means, which was a budget, then I could
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 1: go to my other deeds. You know, freedom, freedom always
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 1: involves freedom from and freedom to. So now that I
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 1: was free from debt, delinquencies and deficits, I was free
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 1: to deposit money in my own bank accounts. I had
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 1: no savings at all. I fly all over the country
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 1: and had three dollars in the bank, so I had
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 1: to make deposits of my own accounts. I started investing
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 1: money in assets that worked for me. So today I
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 1: earned dividends from one of my investments, and the dividend
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 1: check today is bigger than my paycheck was in nineteen
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 1: seventy five. And then deeds. My my grandmother owned real estate.
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 1: When your own real estate, your name goes on the deed.
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 1: Real Estate is one of the primary ways of creating wealth.
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 1: When the mortgage crisis hit because the predatory lending, more
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 1: than half of black assets went down the two because
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 1: real estate was our strategy. And now the real estates
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 1: come back. So so d free is to be free
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 1: from death, delinquencies, and deficits, to be free to make deposits,
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 1: earned dividends, and own real estate with your name on
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 1: the deeds. And it is as you said earlier, to
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 1: make it, it starts with change our attitudes towards money
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 1: m hm. A mental thing. Mental. So so when we
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 1: talked about the app, how do you think moving into
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 1: the app is? What is it gonna Do you think
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 1: it's gonna increase it? Do you think it's at friendly?
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 1: Do you think the book itself is something that is
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 1: the youth are gonna just gravitate too? No, No, To
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 1: be honest with you, you you know, de Free started my
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 1: son in my church in Jersey, and it was two
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 1: thousand five, and I realized that my folks were driving
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 1: luxury cars, they lived in nice houses, many of them
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 1: were making really good money, but they were broken. And
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 1: it doesn't matter how much money you earned. What matters
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 1: is how much money you keep. And so I decided
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 1: to go after it. I decided that I would help
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 1: both our lower income residents in the neighborhood, our middle
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 1: income families in the church, and we would start focusing
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 1: on money, not just money that I wanted them to
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 1: give the church, but even if you give the church,
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 1: tempers that the church should help you figure out how
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 1: to use the other. It's it's criminal for a black
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 1: church to be in a black neighborhood, led by a
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 1: black pastor and ministering the black people and not help
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 1: them develop a black economic agenda. And so I decided
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 1: in two thousand five, I was gonna make financial freedom
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 1: the focal point of our church and of my ministry.
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 1: And so we started with a Bible study, had about
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 1: seventy five people. We began growing to think out. The
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 1: interesting thing about my work as a pastor was that
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 1: once we help people develop a strategy, become financially literate,
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 1: learn what the Bible really says about money. You know,
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 1: Jesus talked about the anointing, and if you go in
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 1: certain Black Christian circles, all they talk about the anointing,
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 1: this and the anointing that Jesus said his anointing was
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 1: to preach good news to poor people and to set
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 1: captives free. And so what we focused on was, but
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 1: the Bible says about money. The Bible says in Properties
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 1: two that the borrower is slave to the lender, and
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 1: it says in Properties it says that a good person
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 1: leads an inheritance to their children's children like my grandmother did.
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 1: So we started that and and so I wrote a book.
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 1: I wrote a workbook. We've got other kinds of books.
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 1: But the reality is this, my son, And to make
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 1: it you know this, We've trained five thousand churches. We've
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 1: worked with Church of God in Christ, Amy Church, National
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 1: Baptists all over the country using our curriculum. We've developed
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 1: online tools for churches. But the reality is you're not
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 1: going to reach but so many twenty thirty five year
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 1: olds in church. Now, you could argue about it, we
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 1: can debate about why, but the reality is the only
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 1: way you're gonna reach the average year old through a
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 1: church is that big Grandma brings them the book. So
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 1: what we're doing now is we're taking all of our principles,
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 1: all of our concepts with digitizing it and and and
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 1: making it uh culturally from from generational perspective relevant, so
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 1: that for instance, I think my son, you've seen my
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 1: video when Lebron James signed his hundred and fifty four
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 1: million dollar contract to play basketball. We have a whole
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 1: curriculum around what it means to have a hundred and
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 1: fifty four million dollar basketball contract. When uh Nipsey Hustle died,
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 1: we did a whole curriculum around buy back the block.
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 1: So with digitizing all of that, taking all of the
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 1: cultural icons, I'm gonna do something. I'm gonna do a
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 1: curriculum on you to me because you're you're not only activist,
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 1: you're fashion, you're fashion thinking. So I'm gonna do a
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 1: curriculum around to make a mallory fashion. And if you
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 1: want to dress like this, you gotta earn like this,
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 1: you gotta save like this, but you got to invest
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 1: like this. Well, I I would appreciate that because there
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 1: are people who have this, this this thing in their
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 1: mind that my money comes through the movement, right and
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 1: so and so that sounds good, right and and and
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 1: you could make a larger point, the macro point that
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 1: my value is because of my skill set and my work.
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 1: And you know, the the amount of years that I've
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 1: been in the movement, and how I have become a
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 1: strategist for many um on diversity and inclusion and and
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 1: you know, reform and so on and so forth. But
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 1: folks have no idea how many streams of income I
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 1: have coming in in order to be able to keep
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 1: up my lifestyle. Um, and now I'm at the process
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 1: some forty years forty one years old. Now I am
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 1: starting to look at my investments and you know, I'm
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 1: looking for properties in different places. I have some investments.
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 1: In fact, we just had a brother named Isaac Hayes
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 1: the third which is Isaac Hay's son on the on
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 1: the show right before you, And um, I'm I'm an
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 1: investor at a significant amount in his company, which is
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 1: called fan Base. So these are things where you are
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 1: a right in the past, the money that I put
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 1: in fan Base, I would have been wearing it absolutely.
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 1: And by the way I do, I invest in, invest
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 1: in me and the things that I want. But I'm
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 1: starting to realize that I have everything anybody could want,
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 1: and it's time for me to cut back on purchasing
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 1: things and put more of my resources into building business
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 1: and what have you. But but there is a slavery
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 1: thing that goes on in my mind where I am
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 1: concerned every I'm you know what they say, scared money,
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 1: don't make money. And so I have to beat into
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 1: myself all the time that I would rather waste, not
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 1: so much waste, but take the risk with something that
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 1: could give me value back versus taking the risks on
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 1: a pair of shoes that I'm not even gonna like
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 1: after I wear them a few times, you know. So
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 1: it's a process, and my son, to your point, what
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 1: we're adding this year is kind of an internal social
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 1: media platform where people can connect with each other. Because
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 1: one of the things, and both of you know this,
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 1: one of the ways you sustain mentality of behavior or
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 1: movement is when you're around like minded people. And long
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 1: before COVID, you know, it's hard. It's hard to find
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 1: serious people. The reality is we have a culture of
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 1: distraction where serious subjects don't take as quickly as as
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 1: decadent subjects. And so we now have for instance, I've
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 1: got ten thousand people signed up on a platform called
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 1: the Billion Dollar Challenge. I've challenged our community to pay
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 1: down a billion dollars in debt because for every dollar
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 1: you pay down in debt, you increase your wealth by
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 1: three or four dollars. So I can create four or
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 1: five billion dollars of wealth for black people if if
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 1: ten thousand, if a hundred thousand people pay off ten
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 1: thousand dollars, well, in that platform, the strength is that
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 1: people form groups and if if, if my friend is
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 1: doing it and his cousin is doing it. We have
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 1: to make it popular to invest in money and not
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 1: just where our money. I'm trying to get some of
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 1: these young cats that are spending in a hundred thousand
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 1: dollars on watches, you know, I mean, there's nothing wrong
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 1: would having a hundred all a watch if you already
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 1: own enough assets to kick out enough interests and enough
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 1: dividend to pay for the watch. If your money is
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 1: working for you and buying the watch, that's fine. But
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 1: if you're spending money on the watch and then the
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 1: money is gone, then it's not fine. Because the fact
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 1: of the matter is this one. We are more likely
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 1: to be disabled before with sixty five, then we are
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 1: dead before sixty five, which means that we've got to
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 1: start making plans. Because I'm sure both of you look
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 1: up from time to time and city yourself board where
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 1: the time go we get older faster than we planned to.
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 1: And then the second thing is when we die. If
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 1: we spent everything we have, when we die, we have
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 1: nothing to leave behind. And then finally, when we get
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 1: tired of working. I got tired of being the pastor
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  Speaker 1: of the same church. I built the church up to
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  Speaker 1: about six thousand members. We built affordable housing for the neighborhood.
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  Speaker 1: We built a health clinic for the neighborhood. We had
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  Speaker 1: job training for the neighborhood. We had the only black
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  Speaker 1: owned foster care adoption agency in the neighborhood, formed by
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  Speaker 1: the church. So I did six jobs in thirty years,
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  Speaker 1: every single day. And I said, you know what, I'm
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  Speaker 1: in good health. The church is strong, the members are supporting.
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  Speaker 1: It's time for me to pass the baton onto a
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  Speaker 1: younger pastor. And I did. But I'm proud of the
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  Speaker 1: fact that I didn't have to hold all on it goes.
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  Speaker 1: I needed the money. That's right, you need to pay check. Wow,
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  Speaker 1: there's no union for activists to join that'll that will
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 1: invest your dudes and psion. You gotta be your own union.
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  Speaker 1: Be your own union. And people people, you know, they
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  Speaker 1: they I mean, even when you talk about doing a
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  Speaker 1: book on you know, he said he did the profile
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  Speaker 1: on lebron Right, people think because I have a million
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  Speaker 1: dollar book deal, which is a two book deal, actually
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  Speaker 1: that I'm just the richest person in the world. And
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 1: actually a million dollars for two books that take a
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  Speaker 1: lot of time out of your life. There's so many
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  Speaker 1: people I have to pay, agents, managers, people to help
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  Speaker 1: me write, people, the lawyer, the people that helped me write,
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  Speaker 1: the people who the research person to make sure what
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  Speaker 1: I'm saying makes sense. All of those folks get paid.
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  Speaker 1: It's not a million dollars. It's not even close to
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  Speaker 1: a million dollars, which I'm grateful. That's not don't forget
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  Speaker 1: about taxes, hello, and taxes, which is something that I
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 1: also have had to deal with issues. I'm still clean.
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  Speaker 1: In fact, I paid the state fifteen thousand dollars yesterday.
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  Speaker 1: Just to be clear, yesterday, fifteen thousand dollars yesterday. I
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  Speaker 1: had to call. They don't they're not trying to hear
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  Speaker 1: the story about how my arm hurts and my you
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  Speaker 1: know this, and that I'm gonna get his money. Fifteen
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  Speaker 1: thousand dollars I paid yesterday, uh, five thousand dollars two
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  Speaker 1: weeks ago, and the and and by the way, you
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  Speaker 1: have to pay money to project what you might make quarterly.
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  Speaker 1: So this is real. This is grown folks business out here,
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  Speaker 1: that's right. And if we don't address this, then we
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  Speaker 1: are contributing to our own demise. You know, Prosperity Now
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  Speaker 1: projects that by the ye that black me the income
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 1: black net worth would be zero. And listen, when you
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  Speaker 1: start out behind, we started out behind, which means that
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 1: since we can't go back and change the past, and
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  Speaker 1: since it seems that neither the Democrats normal Republicans have
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 1: us as their priority, we have to make ourselves our
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  Speaker 1: own priority and have this talk and get the work done. Sir,
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  Speaker 1: this is great. Listen, everything you said is from from
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  Speaker 1: your mouth to guards is man, and it's the truth.
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  Speaker 1: And we'll tell them where you can find this app.
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  Speaker 1: Where can we find the book with your website, all
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 1: of the things, we can get that done. Well, the
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 1: best way to keep up with all of my work
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 1: because I've got I've got this deep free platform. I'm
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 1: training you love this to make them training black men
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  Speaker 1: and women to become corporate directors. I'm teaching them the
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  Speaker 1: ends and out of how to get on the corporate board.
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 1: I've been on seven corporate boards. I've made a lot
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 1: of money serving on corpor at boards and I'm just
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  Speaker 1: trying to share what I know. So my my website
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 1: is dB stories dot com. Yeah, dB story dot com.
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  Speaker 1: My social media handle. I could if y'all will just
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 1: lend me two or three year following. Y'all got about
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 1: three million followers for three in you. My social media
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 1: handles are dB stories on everything, Twitter, Instagram. I think
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 1: I'm even on TikTok. Well, you're gonna get some followers.
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 1: I got to get onto. Yeah, you gotta get some
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  Speaker 1: followers from us UM from this show because we are
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 1: certainly going to push this particular interview, but also just
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  Speaker 1: to have you as part of our everyday conversations going forward.
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 1: We appreciate you, we love you, we support you, and
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 1: we thank you for lifting us in prayer um. And
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 1: what you're doing is truly God's work. So you may
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 1: have transition from being the pastor standing in the pulpit,
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 1: but you're pastoring by doing the work that you do
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 1: every single day. God bless you. Thank you so much.
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 1: I'm honored to be with you and I'm available anytime
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 1: you need me. Thank you, Thank you. Forest Stories. All right,
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  Speaker 1: you got some good friends. Try you know, I'm trying
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 1: to keep good coming. Take care, Take care alright, you too,
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 1: my friend. You got your friend you know, last these
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 1: two weeks has been your friends. I'm saying, I gotta
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 1: get a little test because I am so happy that
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 1: we've had shows that we are with men, because um
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 1: that that has been not so much a challenge. But
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 1: women are just doing so many dope things that fill
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 1: the shows with women. You know. Two in two now
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 1: we're going back to the women. You know well, shout
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  Speaker 1: out to the forest, be stories, you know, d free
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  Speaker 1: sounds like we need that, we need financial freedom, we
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 1: need to understand money and all these things. But this
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 1: whole episode was just enlightening and it brings me to
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 1: I don't get so just when you listen to Isaac
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 1: hay is the third right, and you just listen to
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 1: the concept of what you know fan bases, it seems
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 1: like I said a no brainer and then you said,
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 1: like you said, or it's a no brainer for you,
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 1: but it's a brainer for somebody, right, And it's because
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 1: he's black. Yeah, it's because every time you listen to
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 1: me jay Z said the relationship, he was like, yo,
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 1: you you you questioned me about minds, right, but you
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 1: don't ask You asked me about title. You want to
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  Speaker 1: know who's this? Where's the money come from? Wild? And
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 1: you're getting way more money with type like it's it's
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 1: simple if you look at it, if you look at
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 1: the split. So how he's giving you you monetizing your
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 1: music is clear that you make more money. You never
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 1: asked YouTube where the money come from. You never asked Spotify.
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 1: You don't act, you don't care. These are white owned
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  Speaker 1: companies that you don't know anything. And you put all
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 1: your content, you give them everything, and you don't care
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 1: when we listen to the fan base. I go on
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  Speaker 1: Instagram and got five over five thousand flowers. You got
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 1: one million, And we go up there, we give this content.
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  Speaker 1: We don't make a dime, like literally don't make no
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  Speaker 1: money from Instagram for really what we do. And we
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 1: bring so many different people's perspectives, ideas and everything to
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 1: these platforms, right and people and don't And we know
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 1: that the white man owns it. We know that they
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 1: shadow bandon us. We know that they um suppressing our content,
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 1: they're doing everything possible, and we know and we still
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 1: go there and we're gonna keep bringing our content and
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 1: we go and I bet you we can go to
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  Speaker 1: the top ten people on Instagram right now and say
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 1: your fan base, you just for one percent of which
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 1: you make here you probably can make million dollars monthly easy.
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 1: Their agents are gonna say, don't do it, um and
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 1: it's gonna be the biggest Another we had another evaluation
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  Speaker 1: and it's not what they say because of this and
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 1: that and the third Oh yeah, it's gonna be everything
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 1: wrong because it's something that has to do with black people.
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 1: And I just do not get why are we so
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 1: skeptical or why do we hold on to these narratives
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 1: and we hold onto things that hold us back with
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 1: our own people. But we'll give everybody else the benefit
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 1: of the doubts. What Mr Buster said that we have
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 1: to be free from, free from, and free to. So
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 1: it's the same concept when we said don't buy Gucci, right,
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 1: because when you put out a black face sweater with
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 1: the lips and the whole thing, at least there should
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 1: be you should experience some serious backlash from it. And
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 1: by the way, they did, we know because we look
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 1: that they are not fors in terms of um, you know,
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  Speaker 1: their revenue for that particular year and they had a
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 1: major DIBt. There was a decrease in people purchasing and Gucci.
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 1: And by the way, I wouldn't put it on my
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  Speaker 1: body today. I wouldn't put it on. I don't care
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 1: what they come out with. And I love Balenciaga, and
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 1: I also love the partnership. Like they I'm not gonna
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 1: Gucci got some fly ship. I used to wear Gucci
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 1: all the time, So Gucci and Balenciaga's partnership, they got
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 1: some bad ship. I would never wear it because I can't.
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 1: It's too many other brands for me to be working
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 1: with the one or putting my money into the one
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 1: that didn't see black face as being a problem. Now
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 1: other people said they don't give it. Damn they're still
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 1: gonna wear it. I'm not gonna fall out with black
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 1: people over white folks stuff. It is what it is.
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 1: But we couldn't get we got. We had people that
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 1: got mad with us. We had people going to the
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 1: meetings working against us and not even talking to us
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 1: about what was happening. We had people telling us they
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 1: were going to invite us to the meeting, who said
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 1: we should be there, and then at some point decided
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 1: that only people who were in supportive of the fact
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 1: that Gucci could do better should be in the meeting.
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 1: Love them all, no problem with them, but it was
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 1: but we had a different perspective, and if ever, we
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 1: could all be together. But even the ones, the ones
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 1: who want to tear down the system and the people
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 1: who think there's a way to reform it from within,
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 1: should be working very closely together. And we should never ever, ever,
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 1: ever go into a room and be okay with the
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 1: fact that the other has been disinvited because of their position.
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 1: We should never So there are people within until Freedom
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 1: who is radical as hell. Tori Russell drives me crazes
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 1: out of my mind. But sometimes his radical perspective, which
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 1: by the way, is very intelligent young man, but his
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 1: radical perspective, at times it forces me to be even
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 1: even more strategic and you know, and to push myself
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 1: even out of my because you don't understand that he
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 1: has a perspective at the people, and those people are
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 1: people that we need, right, So when you gotta sit
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 1: there and say, okay, he has a perspective that a
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 1: lot of people share, right and is radical, and the
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 1: way that he wants to go about it, it's probably
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 1: not the way I would go about it, right, So
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 1: how do I utilize his perspective, understand his perspective and
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 1: come to terms of what it is that I believe
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 1: should happen and combine both of those thing. That's what
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 1: makes leadership, That's what makes unity. Is that when you
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 1: find the commonality and find out how, I know you
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 1: want to do this, and I want to do this
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 1: and these and we basically need something to happen. So
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 1: how do we take a little bit of what you've
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 1: got a little bit of that and we come to
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 1: terms and say, okay, I'm okay with that, and that's
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 1: what we gotta do. We don't And and there are
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 1: also people within Until Freedom, not many, but there are
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 1: people within Until Freedom who are like, hey, that might
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 1: be too risky. You know, we need to be careful,
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 1: think about it from this perspective, and that helps us
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 1: to keep people alive, to keep people safe, because if
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 1: we follow what some of them want to do, we
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 1: might they ready to die right now tonight for what
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 1: they believe in. They're ready to die. Everybody go to
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 1: jail whatever is necessary, and sometimes we need other people
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 1: who have a perspective that helps us to pull it
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 1: in the middle so that we keep people safe, so
• 1:24:31
  Speaker 1: that we don't um, you know, pre eminently have you know,
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 1: have folks sacrifice for a system that ain't gonna never, never,
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 1: never ever ever been to what it needs for to
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 1: be for our communities. So it's it's a it's a
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 1: it's a it's a freedom from a mindset, and it's
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 1: a freedom to us being able to say I'm gonna
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 1: with JA also said, you you want to buy the
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 1: Nike sneaker, You're not trying to focus on build break
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 1: making your own sneaker, supporting your own brands, and so
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 1: we have to have a mixture of that, which is
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 1: why I'm wearing my Black Queen shirts, my my hoodie today,
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 1: Black Queen. This is some of our black own brands.
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 1: I don't know if y'all can see it because I'm
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 1: like blocks. I don't know anyway, my cameras and I
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 1: mean my microphones in front of it. But it is
• 1:25:21
  Speaker 1: a Black Queen sweatshirt by Black Women's Lives Matter, our
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 1: sister Humility Davis. We have to also, yes, I I yes,
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 1: I have a Louis Vutton hoodie. Yes I have Blindiaga sweaters,
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 1: but I also rock this. And guess what when I
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 1: go TV to TV appearances and other places that matter
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 1: in terms of representation, I wear stuff from our own people.
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 1: I'm not coming up here to do street filetishes with
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 1: BLINDSIA go on it until they put some money on
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 1: the table for the work that we do every day.
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 1: So and that, and again, I still wear it, but
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 1: it's but it's a free different and it's a freedom
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 1: of just understanding how you utilize your own power. You know,
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 1: Like every time I do something I know it's gonna
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 1: have a significant viral response, I'll make sure that I'm
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 1: wearing my own very serious. I'm very strategic about that
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 1: because I understand if I get a video that has
• 1:26:19
  Speaker 1: thirty million views, you know, and somebody sees a hat
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 1: that I have on the shirt that I have more
• 1:26:24
  Speaker 1: and they're like, I wanted. I wanted to be some
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 1: way that we can monetize that. And it's something that's
• 1:26:29
  Speaker 1: own about us. So you know, we just got very
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 1: very very you have taught me about and made me think,
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 1: make sure I wear my until Freedom sweatshirt or I
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 1: made us get some blazers because I just can't, you know,
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 1: I just I just can't. I can't wear my until
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 1: Freedom sweat sweatsuit all the time. So we have to
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 1: have ways of making our own adding our own flavor
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 1: and you've been doing that since. At first, but I
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 1: remember being like, I don't know. It was like we
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 1: was all about something mice, you should wear this or
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 1: you should do this, and you was like, yeah, I'll
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 1: do that, but I'm not gonna do You're not gonna
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 1: put that on me to go to a show or
• 1:27:08
  Speaker 1: do something where people are actually gonna see my brands.
• 1:27:12
  Speaker 1: So you know, I I support and I really support
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 1: both of these brothers and what they're talking about definitely
• 1:27:19
  Speaker 1: definitely man shout out to to the forest and shout
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 1: out to Isaac Caves for you know, just giving us
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 1: different perspectives, and you know, I just I'm I'm a
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 1: lot more intentional about trying to make sure that we
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 1: monetize and make sure that we are investing in our
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 1: own and being able to make money off the things
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 1: and that we put into this universe and our intellectual property,
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 1: our minds, our ideas, Like people have been making too
• 1:27:45
  Speaker 1: much money off us they have, you know, and so
• 1:27:47
  Speaker 1: we got to start making sure that we capitalize. Unfortunately,
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 1: and in the mind state, like he said that that
• 1:27:52
  Speaker 1: people think that doing certain work or certain things you
• 1:27:56
  Speaker 1: shouldn't be able to make money is the weirdest ship ever.
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 1: Oh I don't even we don't don't talk about that,
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 1: but it's just listen. I'm gonna make I'm going to
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 1: make money off of everything that I do, every way possible.
• 1:28:08
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna be able to make money. I'm going to
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 1: be able to invest in our communities, invest in our
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 1: children because I still do the right thing. If we
• 1:28:17
  Speaker 1: are not able to make money off of our own work,
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 1: our own blood, sweat and tears to put back into
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 1: our communities, ain't nobody coming to save us. We to
• 1:28:27
  Speaker 1: us that's gonna save us. And with that said, it's
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 1: another episode of Street Politicians. We appreciate you. Make sure
• 1:28:34
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• 1:28:52
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• 1:28:55
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• 1:28:57
  Speaker 1: on our show special for sure. I'm not gonna always
• 1:29:03
  Speaker 1: be right Jamaicas. That will always be wrong, but we
• 1:29:06
  Speaker 1: both always and I mean always be okay. That's how
• 1:29:12
  Speaker 1: we own it.