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Should Ben Johnson win Coach of the Year? · Da Windy City Sports Podcast

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[SPEAKER_03]: Welcome to the Wendy City podcast.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You see my guy right there Alex Shapiro.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I am kind of Davis.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We're still living high off the hog or just high in general or old school gay.
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[SPEAKER_03]: All right, it's far jolly.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We're Holly Jolly.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We're Holly Jolly because we're not going to be upset.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You know, there's there's only a few times that you can be happy that the full ball team that you follow is having the successful season and then has a proof of a game and bashes in the running champs like literally bashes.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That's how bad they were out there dealing blows to the Philadelphia Eagles last weekend.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Of course, we're going to talk about the bear's trip to the frozen tundra to Green Bay to face the Packers.
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[SPEAKER_03]: The Packers who are actually playing pretty well right now.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We're going to get into a little question from a tripping squad.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We love to look at Brad Biggs Q&A, one of the best riders of that follow-up of the Chicago Bears here within the city.
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[SPEAKER_03]: The first question is could or will
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[SPEAKER_03]: the NFL coach of the year.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So we're going to talk a little bit about that.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And now this is going to break down us.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Who is playing?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Who may not be playing when the bears do travel up to Green Bay to face the Packers this Sunday afternoon.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Alex, how are you doing?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like you said, I'm Holly Jolly, man.
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[SPEAKER_01]: my wife and I, my wife who grew up Catholic, we celebrate Christmas in our home, even though we are Jewish, we got our Christmas tree today.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's smell.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That's all I'm getting my is probably next week.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm a big happy you mentioned that.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I would just to get everybody into us with Christmas, I would playfully be by humbuggish.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And one year, maybe seven, eight years ago, after until they messed up her tree and sent her the wrong one.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So she sent, but they gave her the one she desired, a purchase and then she gave us the mess.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It wasn't messed up.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It was fine.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It just wasn't the treat as she desired.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And we got it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It was like a Douglas, not a Frazier.
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[SPEAKER_03]: exactly, that's exactly it, right?
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[SPEAKER_03]: And I grew up with lot trees, you know, real trees, right?
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[SPEAKER_03]: So it gave me the spirit of, man, this is dope.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And now Kelsey can't live without it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So of course, I have to go, wait, wait, wait.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So was yours delivered?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Did you go get it?
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[SPEAKER_01]: We go to Home Depot.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We used to go to like the tree farm thing that would be out at the school,
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[SPEAKER_01]: But man, those are expensive, so, you know, like, they're like, they're like a third of the price at Home Depot, so we are now Home Depot, we're still we're still live free people, so like I said, I became a Christmas tree guy after marrying my wife because Christmas is important to her, so we start doing it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But my one compromise is like, all right, if we're going to do a Christmas tree, we got to do a real one like let's go all the way so so we we did it from the farm place for a little bit real expensive so for the past few years we've been getting them we've been getting home depot so we have our we have our phrase your fur and it only costs a $60 home depot they're very fast full days they slice it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They help you tie it on your car.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's real nice and it smells wonderful.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It smells wonderful real quick and we're going to get to the bears give us two minutes.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So I was dropping off a mother a few days ago and we went past the tree place on Stony Island right.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It used to be where this years ago used to be where this car washes on 95th but now it's like on 94th at the corner.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Um, and always have a little banter with those guys, whatever, but what you said, you're not you're not paying under 130 basically right and that's I'm saying that that's not for what you want something nice.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You're going higher than that.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So I'll tell my mother like last year.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We felt we fell into one at Lowe's and we were like, whoa, look at the prices here.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So I'm definitely going back over the Lowe's, uh, to check that out.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But now the kid didn't know he was doing that was trying to, it was so cold outside.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And he kept trying to tie it and I just was like, man, go, this young man, please go.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'll take care of this or whatever.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Um, but yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: All right.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So that's that that's it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Um, so real quick.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Let's jump into the coach of the year.
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[SPEAKER_03]: The bears, head coach Ben Johnson has had one of the best seasons.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I think any of us have seen in in a minute.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And I want to.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I want to.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I want to paint that, all right.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I want to paint that narrative.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I feel, and anybody correct this, let us know in the chat, or how you feel about this.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I feel the foundation, and one thing I think that we've always talked about on our shows is foundations, because you can build a house on a faulty foundation, and the house can look nice, and in 10 years, that bill comes from, hey, you know your foundation, it's split, you know, it's messed up, you know,
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[SPEAKER_03]: I feel like this foundation won because the trenches and primarily the offensive line is set.
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[SPEAKER_03]: This isn't smoking mirrors and you're doing it without protecting your quarterback, let alone you're doing it without having a formidable run game.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That's set here.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So that's something that speaks volumes about what they can perhaps do to the future.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And also, and this is the early early kind of opinion.
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[SPEAKER_03]: When you look at online culture, Oshar, it kind of also tells you what they may be able to do with other offensive linemen in the future if they can continue this style of play in this teachable and they have the style of player that they want.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Because clearly, you see what the guys that they brought in.
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[SPEAKER_03]: They have a style of player that they desire.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So that's what I mean.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So like when you look at Matt Nagy's first year and that's with trading for
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[SPEAKER_03]: Right, right prior to the season started and just how it blew up.
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[SPEAKER_03]: The foundation in some ways wasn't truly set and Khalil was that he was the nice part of the house.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I was like, wow, this kitchen and bathroom is nice right now, right?
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[SPEAKER_03]: You your foundation wasn't set and I filled I feel better about this foundation moving forward also knowing that this coach has a style to play this one would kind of fall in line with love you Smith, and I think I think he could be a better coach.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm not going to dislike he Smith particularly because of how he assisted us as detects and said coach, but let alone how he was here as a coach.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And also, he calls his plays.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Lovey gave that to different defensive coordinators.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Well, this guy is still doing that.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So I look forward in the future to see, can he surpass what, lovey Smith, well, we Smith did get to a Super Bowl.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Lovey Smith made it to playoffs, but definitely what, miss like four of the last five years or something like that, or maybe five?
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[SPEAKER_03]: I want to see more consistencies, particularly where you're entering the playoffs in your rookie season as a head coach.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So I just want to set that up to why I feel good.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Also, I've always wanted Ben Johnson to be the bare set coach.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm always going to say that.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And if he fails, come back and talk crazy to me and say, Ken, you didn't know what they were talking about.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And I'm just going to be like, I guess I did, that's just how it goes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think that I think the lovey Smith comparison is interesting.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I do think it's interesting.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I kind of want to dig into that a little bit because Ben Johnson has certainly had more instant success than lovey Smith.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: His instant success has been like Matt Naggi.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Now, you're absolutely right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Matt Naggi, it obviously was a house of cards.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The trade for Cleo Mack was a catalyst, a spark plug.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then they doubled down on that by bringing in Robert Quinn, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: And it's like, okay, we got the past rushers.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Once Vic Fangeo left, check the gun, I'll kept it going a little bit, but then it fell off.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It fell off.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think the big difference is quarterback, you know, that foundation of quarterback, Mitch Trubisky, Matt Nagy was never able to figure it out with Mitch Trubisky.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We're seeing signs that Ben Johnson is figuring it out with Caleb Williams, but that's what it's going to come down to.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's what it's going to come down to.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And what's interesting about Lovey Smith, who that's what you're after, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's the sustained
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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Bears probably shouldn't have, I mean, Smith and retrospect after a few solid years.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, like, I think you would say now.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I just, it was time.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, it, it, it, it was a quick and I want you to jump.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I can, when you look at the fact that they didn't have that stable success, so love you.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, he made missed to play off some years, but then you did make it, but also the problem was love you established a culture.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That's the real problem that the bears really missed where
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[SPEAKER_03]: players were holding players accountable.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And the bears really haven't had that's sustainable for long period.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Maybe early in naggies regime, I would say on the defensive side of things, but they really even when you hear some of the things with Mitch telling him to turn the TV's off, it was it was stuff where the culture wasn't right.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And that's where I'll say to your point of getting rid of love.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He really hurt them.
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[SPEAKER_03]: They didn't find a culture center after having love.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But see, we have to see Ben Johnson go through some bad times to know we can't his culture with stand that.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So even though Ben Johnson reality is reality, we have to see him come back from having a successful season where their heads be too big, where they learn, can he implement two point know as the head coach compared to being an office coordinator for the Detroit Lions, we have to see all of that and even being a fan, we keep in a hunt ahead.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That's just how we do
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's interesting because there are ways in which Ben Johnson is really similar to Lovey Smith, but then obviously they're very different in other ways as well.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Lovey Smith was big accountability, disciplinarian to the extent that like loaves were a thing, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I know people are kind of sick of hearing about loaves because it didn't work out with
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's the same school of thought that honestly Lovey Smith was using, you know, grading each guy's not walking by mistakes, holding guys accountable when they did make mistakes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He did it differently though, like he was very even killed same guy all the time.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Players loved him, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Players loved Lovey Smith for that accountability, for that understanding, that consistency.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Ben Johnson
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[SPEAKER_01]: holds players extremely accountable.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know that they're doing loaves in the exact same way that Eeverfluse and Lovey Smith are doing loaves.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But he is not walking past mistakes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He is holding guys accountable.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He is consistent.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He is that same guy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And it seems early on that players are responding to it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Now Lovey Smith, I don't think ever in a billion years would have taken a shirt off in that locker room,
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[SPEAKER_01]: getting all hootin and hollering and shouting at the top of his lugs and flexing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's not love.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You Smith, but you know, so it's like they are similar in I think the important ways I think they're similar in the important ways and I think the way in which they each deliver their message
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[SPEAKER_01]: And time will tell still with Ben Johnson, but Loveysmith was authentically Loveysmith.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Loveysmith was genuine.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Players can see through that stuff immediately.
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[SPEAKER_01]: When you're trying to put on airs, when you're trying to be somebody you're not, when you're when you're just trying to hard, I think players can see through that really quickly.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So Ben Johnson so far seems authentically himself, authentically
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[SPEAKER_01]: how that message is getting delivered.
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[SPEAKER_01]: As long as Ben Johnson is doing it, the authentically Ben Johnson way.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think they're similar in the right ways of that accountability.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I think it's really interesting that you brought up Lovey Smith right off the top because obviously again, Lovey Smith.
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[SPEAKER_01]: has been the most successful high coach for the bears since.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Since Dick, exactly.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And they've been looking for that consistency ever since.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Now is it relates to his dances to win Coach of the year, which I know you're kind of driving at.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's got a great case, obviously.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like the turnaround has been noticeable.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The bears are winning in ways.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We haven't seen them win since.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Lovey Smith was around.
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[SPEAKER_01]: they're starting to get that feeling that if they have a chance in the fourth quarter they're going to pull it out and the quarterback is playing well.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Ben Johnson's got his fingerprints all over all of that, but we can have a little bit of tunnel vision in Chicago because it is the city's team, it's what we're watching all the time.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They're obviously a lot of other coaches, including first of your head coaches, including some who I thought would be great fits for this team.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We're also doing thing up jobs, Mike Vrable.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You mentioned it offline beforehand.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The odds on favorite.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's doing incredible work in New England.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Mine is 25 and Biggs article.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He's getting this from fanatic sports, but go ahead Alex.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_01]: In my opinion, doing it with a less talented roster.
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[SPEAKER_01]: the bears have all sorts of talent.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, DJ Moore is not Desmario Douglas.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, their tight ends are not the bear's tight ends.
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[SPEAKER_03]: They got booty and deeks.
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[SPEAKER_03]: They got our runnin' back and they got the drive down.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm with you when I'm a beat of me.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They didn't get driven on, how does it go?
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[SPEAKER_03]: But they got on with you when I'm a beat of me.
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[SPEAKER_03]: They got will, can't believe in all these out now, right?
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[SPEAKER_03]: We've been just starts, but you're right.
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[SPEAKER_03]: If we're being honest.
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[SPEAKER_03]: The bears have more when you're talking about top-end talent.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Maybe some of it's not healthy, all right?
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[SPEAKER_03]: But when you talk about the receiving core, their bears receive a core is better.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I would say, tongue to Henry.
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[SPEAKER_03]: he had his day.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Titans may be kind of even, but you have Titans that can do more when you look at what coast and lovely can do and they're just they're only scratching that.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Running backs, I mean, Trevor Henderson is nice, you know, and you look at what he can do in the past and game also.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But you're still right if we're completely if we're look on paper and you looked at these teams I said what which one and take a let's take away the the the the names of the team So you don't know one is the pictures or one is the bears because you'd be like the bears may bear
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[SPEAKER_03]: And the Patriots, hey, it's a chance.
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[SPEAKER_03]: The Patriots is right.
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[SPEAKER_03]: If you look at that, which one of these teams can get to 11, 12 victories, you will probably look at the Bears roster.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And if we, let's just say we only put ratings on the players instead of their names, you will probably take the Bears roster to sow your right.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Mike Rable, at this point, probably deserves, he deserves to be number one, not in my heart, though,
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[SPEAKER_03]: You know, because I'll say this, I'll say this, let me, let me help Ben Johnson.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Ben Johnson, yes, Mike Grable was taking over for
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[SPEAKER_03]: Jarrah Mayo being the rookie head coach who's trying to fix it a lot of things that Bella checked left and just the coverage were bare or whatever and then you have a rookie head coach and then of course my grave is free, former player for new England Patriots already at an established successful head coach but also this too and one thing we'll talk about, I mean you've talked about this, Jasmy Donald's people keep forgetting he has Jasmy Donald is his office coordinator.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And when that's crazy, when you talk about one of the better offensive coordinators, and he keeps getting to go back home too.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He's like, it like, this the third time was a second.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It was the second time he returns after a hit coaching failure.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And a month, he's saying that to knock him one, I like the fact that he, he's like, you know what?
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[SPEAKER_03]: That's my spot.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'll go there and they keep the doors open for him.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But he has,
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[SPEAKER_03]: A better, you have a kid coach who's already been established in my grave, right, who's always been successful with the Tennessee Titans, and then he has a former head coach and one of the best offensive coordinators in the league over the last 15 years in Josh McDonald's.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So that too, you, when we talk about, okay, the players at the Bears have, well, let's talk about the coaching staff that my grave will have as his dispense also.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I just want to put that out to help my guy, Ben Johnson, get some more votes, all right, to people that are our poop on his chances.
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[SPEAKER_01]: and leave him in number two, not you, but just, you know, it's, no, it's fair to mention the Josh McDaniels of it all because right like one of the detractions that you can make for Ben Johnson is okay, the offense was a little bit slow to come together and release that defense.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That was been, has been running the show.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So,
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[SPEAKER_01]: Dennis Allen deserves a lot of credit for the shine that Ben Johnson is receiving, but you can absolutely make the same argument about Mike Vrable and Josh McDaniels.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, I mean, both I think are deserving of all the fanfare.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Mike Vrable might have a little less, but here's the other thing to mention.
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[SPEAKER_01]: these betting markets are fickle.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They're fickle.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And we were talking about again, we were talking about this right before we started hitting record five weeks ago, Shane Steiken was a lot to encode to the year and then banned.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They lose one game to the chiefs and all of a sudden they don't look like the juggernaut they are and now Shane Steiken is what can it, how far is he down?
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[SPEAKER_03]: He's number fifth in this fanatics post.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So everybody, real quick, Ben Johnson is plus 240.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Mike McDonald's, Seattle said coach is plus 650, Carolina's Dave Canellas is plus 2,200.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And Shane Stycken is the same, plus 2,200.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Brian Shottenheimer's plus 2,500.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And Liam Cohen, Jacksonville is plus 2,500.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You have Kyle Shanahan and Sean McVeigh pulling up the rear.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Also, I want to say this.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Teams records over the last three seasons, who had to better record prior seasons, who had to better record the Bears or the Patriots.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And I bet it was probably the Patriots out until last season had a better record than what the Bears had.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You know, it's as far as I'm just trying to say there's just function.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, anytime I think the three year trailing
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, you're trailing, right, because when you, it's the context because when we're looking at this, we're looking at two teams or let's even just when you let's just go striking in there also and the other coaches in that you're looking at teams usually who
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[SPEAKER_03]: of coaches who are taking over teams they were horrible this season prior.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Because that adds to the context of why they deserve this.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's look at where they were before and look at what he's done today, right?
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[SPEAKER_03]: But to, I think when you kind of contextualize it, you have to look at a larger scope of, because let's just say to team, let's just hypothetically, like the Eagles, how hard they are, they will fire a Super Bowl code to be as two bad years, right?
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[SPEAKER_03]: But if you look at their record, it's not going to look like damn he deserved to get fired.
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[SPEAKER_03]: They're standard.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's so much higher.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You know what I'm saying?
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[SPEAKER_03]: But so that's what I'm trying to say when I'm saying let's expand the records because I feel like the bears had a lot more to overcome.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't think
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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't think, I know Bellachet can be Bellachet, but you still know there was a culture there.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He just, he ran a, he ran a ground being a general manager.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Like that was the real problem with him is he need to take his hands off of being GM, right?
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[SPEAKER_03]: And then break in some guys who could see into the future as far as what's next, it would play calling or whatever.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So that's kind of what I'm saying when you look at the bears, their culture was terrible.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, if I had coach during the season, I know that that's common in the NFL, but that's not common when it comes to the castes.
20:02
[SPEAKER_03]: So like that's what I'm trying to point out when I'm saying like at the context to it as far as how the how bad the bears were, not just last season, but how bad they've been over the last three or four seasons really.
20:16
[SPEAKER_03]: Really, you could go back to
20:22
[SPEAKER_03]: That's all.
20:23
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm with it.
20:24
[SPEAKER_01]: No.
20:24
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, there's there's a great case to be made for Ben Johnson.
20:27
[SPEAKER_01]: I want to talk a little bit more about Shane's cycling because I think he's also doing a bang up job.
20:31
[SPEAKER_01]: Also, as it just relates to the quarterback and really coaching for his life, right?
20:35
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, so Shane's cycling takes that cults job in 2023.
20:41
[SPEAKER_01]: And that was also the year they drafted Anthony Richardson, correct?
20:45
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, me and Josh were like, I don't he played third was a 12 or 13 games like he played I don't you yeah, but I'm I'm I'm in college.
20:54
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, in college.
20:55
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, yeah, college.
20:56
[SPEAKER_03]: He was like he was like Mitch, but he made a play to game let like he played so few games and to try to say we're putting it all on him because we saw what you did with Jalen hurts.
21:08
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, that was that was that was that was too far for me, a bridge to far for me to be on.
21:12
[SPEAKER_03]: And I'm not saying that I was early on, but I didn't see it.
21:15
[SPEAKER_01]: early on that rookie year it looked like there was something there and then he got hurt and then he got hurt and then 2024 last year was kind of a disaster and that that was a hot seat that was a hot seat and Shane Stike in makes
21:31
[SPEAKER_01]: move over the year like they decide to bring in Daniel Jones to compete with Anthony Richardson.
21:39
[SPEAKER_01]: They somehow identify Daniel Jones as the guy that they want to go after when Sam Darnol is out there after, you know, a really solid season.
21:46
[SPEAKER_01]: Sam Darnol is doing great things with the Seahawks.
21:51
[SPEAKER_01]: They go with Danny Dimes who was run out of New York and nearly caused Brian Babel his job.
21:58
[SPEAKER_03]: did in our fairness when we're in it comes to he still lost his job.
22:02
[SPEAKER_03]: So he just shouldn't have been last year.
22:04
[SPEAKER_03]: But I mean, that's that context wise that led to this.
22:08
[SPEAKER_03]: We don't have to say.
22:08
[SPEAKER_03]: I want to deal with it.
22:09
[SPEAKER_03]: But go ahead.
22:10
[SPEAKER_03]: Please.
22:10
[SPEAKER_03]: I think.
22:10
[SPEAKER_01]: Sure.
22:11
[SPEAKER_01]: And now they day identify right away.
22:15
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
22:17
[SPEAKER_01]: Danny Dimes is who we're going with Anthony Richards and sorry you're taking a seat.
22:21
[SPEAKER_01]: We're going with Daniel Jones, who nobody thought was the future and is now Shane seconds got Daniel Jones playing a lights out football.
22:31
[SPEAKER_01]: Obviously Jonathan Taylor is having a phenomenal season, but it reminds me of what Ben Johnson did with Jared golf.
22:38
[SPEAKER_01]: kind of looks like what Shane Stike might be doing with Daniel Jones right now.
22:43
[SPEAKER_01]: So like that's also been like a remarkable turnaround after quarterback hell.
22:49
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, that's the team that was in quarterback hell ever since Andrew luck retired.
22:54
[SPEAKER_01]: And to you know, we talked about it on this show.
22:57
[SPEAKER_01]: You know exactly how the cults feel about
23:00
[SPEAKER_01]: Daniel Jones because they're trading around.
23:02
[SPEAKER_01]: They're trading away first round picks to bring in sauce gardener.
23:05
[SPEAKER_01]: You don't trade away first round picks for a top tier cornerback.
23:09
[SPEAKER_01]: If you think we need to draft a quarterback soon.
23:12
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, if they weren't certain about Daniel Jones, they're probably keeping those first round picks to try and get a quarterback to make a move for a quarterback.
23:21
[SPEAKER_01]: But instead they're rolling with with Danny Dimes and bringing in sauce gardener.
23:24
[SPEAKER_01]: So,
23:26
[SPEAKER_01]: But again, this is kind of my point.
23:28
[SPEAKER_01]: One loss thing starts to, you know, not look as juggernautish as they had been and he's falling down the things.
23:34
[SPEAKER_01]: If the bears lose to the packers, guarantee a Ben Johnson ain't gonna be second on that leaderboard.
23:39
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, so let me push back.
23:40
[SPEAKER_03]: I gotta push back on you.
23:42
[SPEAKER_03]: Push back.
23:43
[SPEAKER_03]: because this helps with my gravels, argument, and the help of Ben Johnson's argument.
23:48
[SPEAKER_03]: I think the coach that wasn't there during the disaster gets the benefit of the doubt also.
23:54
[SPEAKER_03]: So it's like you said, Shane Stecken was on a hot seat and regardless, and I want to add this to and someone who probably still should have been a bears dinner or manager,
24:04
[SPEAKER_03]: Right, even though he hasn't had violence, Chris ballers on the hot seat, too, right?
24:09
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, the earth says the young earth's sick women running the organization now, and I forget the name of the daughter that's on the sidelines all the time.
24:16
[SPEAKER_03]: It seems like she knows she has her friend on the polls.
24:19
[SPEAKER_03]: But they'd had to find someone that can rescue them.
24:23
[SPEAKER_03]: And the problem now, because you said that as far as then Joe's plan lights out, that fracture fibula is taken away from him being able to plan his foot while he's throwing, but also his maneuverability.
24:35
[SPEAKER_03]: Like that, take someone who had him on his fantasy team.
24:38
[SPEAKER_03]: Man, I need to touch thousands of guy with his feet.
24:41
[SPEAKER_03]: He's kind of athletic out there.
24:45
[SPEAKER_03]: Um, so that I think adds to why Stike is kind of pushed down because he's been there through the failures.
24:52
[SPEAKER_03]: You know what I'm saying?
24:53
[SPEAKER_03]: Compared to these guys who seem like they're spraying the greatest perfume over what happened prior to their arrival.
25:01
[SPEAKER_03]: So I think that's the context of why he may not be as high, Alex, as you would desire.
25:05
[SPEAKER_03]: I still think your argument is a good argument, but he has been there through some of the struggles.
25:09
[SPEAKER_03]: And again, I'm saying that to someone who didn't think Richardson should have been drafted, where it was drafted.
25:15
[SPEAKER_03]: And he shouldn't have started.
25:16
[SPEAKER_03]: He was, he that's prime, prime, sit them sometimes.
25:21
[SPEAKER_03]: Like you do not have to play
25:23
[SPEAKER_03]: every rookie quarterback all the time.
25:26
[SPEAKER_03]: Year, just even if it's just the season, so you can sit them one season, like Patrick Mahomes, and it'll give them time to be evaluated and see how a professional quarterback does the job and how to go about doing their business and approves, particularly if they didn't have enough time to study under someone and play little on play in college.
25:44
[SPEAKER_03]: And again, not taking a shot at in the Richardson, but he will be looking for probably a new place to perform when he returns next season award.
25:53
[SPEAKER_03]: All right.
25:54
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
25:56
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm real quick before we get into the game.
25:58
[SPEAKER_03]: I want to ask you this, and you mentioned about Ben Johnson Holden, his players accountable.
26:03
[SPEAKER_03]: Ben Johnson came out and he was talking about after the Bears victory, how they were winning the spite of their passing game.
26:12
[SPEAKER_03]: And then yesterday, oh no, Tuesday, rather.
26:14
[SPEAKER_03]: and the presser he clarified that when he made that comment that it was easy to construe that he's not happy with chaos performance and I'm paraphrase and he said that's not the case whatsoever he continues to get better each and every week I couldn't be more pleased with how he's played last week and I know what the stats say throw those out and the reason I was going to bring it up is because it's because you said that on the podcast right after the show because get a
26:39
[SPEAKER_01]: Those are your words, Kenneth.
26:41
[SPEAKER_01]: You said that you said throw the stats out.
26:42
[SPEAKER_01]: That was a great performance.
26:43
[SPEAKER_03]: I Yes, that's what I want to address student observation now.
26:46
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm giving me your flowers.
26:47
[SPEAKER_03]: No, I know you.
26:49
[SPEAKER_03]: No, no This is for this is both of us.
26:51
[SPEAKER_03]: This is both of us because I want people because I'm sure people like man Sleep will may not be feeling how we're feeling about
26:58
[SPEAKER_03]: Instructure and how quickly Kate the growth and Caleb and yes, the completions aren't there and if you're an alarm by I'm not going to say well, that's stupid.
27:07
[SPEAKER_03]: You're a Mar buy it.
27:08
[SPEAKER_03]: I would just say I think it will be remedy because I was worried would he grow and I see the growth.
27:15
[SPEAKER_03]: So I think that will follow maybe this season, but definitely going to the next season, because at one point I'm like, is it going to click in this kit and it's going to be late and it's clicking these last few weeks and I just want to address that with you as far as perhaps me and you are too in on what he's been doing compared to when you look at the fact that he's lasting the league in completions.
27:40
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, no.
27:41
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm with you.
27:42
[SPEAKER_01]: I was aligned with you last week.
27:43
[SPEAKER_01]: I remain aligned with you now.
27:45
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm the stats are the stats, right?
27:50
[SPEAKER_01]: But there's a lot, there's a lot beyond the box score there, right?
27:55
[SPEAKER_01]: Do the completions need to pick up?
27:57
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, they do.
27:58
[SPEAKER_01]: There are absolutely cases where Caleb Williams can be more accurate.
28:03
[SPEAKER_01]: And he certainly missed throws.
28:04
[SPEAKER_01]: And you know, we're not glossing over those.
28:07
[SPEAKER_01]: But there are times when his receivers have led him down by dropping the ball and I know drops happen and they happen to every quarterback.
28:12
[SPEAKER_01]: But there are also times when guys just simply aren't
28:16
[SPEAKER_01]: on the same page, you know, and that simply comes with reps that simply comes with playing games that simply comes with running routes against certain leverages and making different decisions based on what the defense gives you and the more they do that, the more they get on the same page, the more they're going to connect.
28:34
[SPEAKER_01]: And I do think and we mentioned this after the game.
28:36
[SPEAKER_01]: So if you haven't listened to our our show after the Black Friday game,
28:41
[SPEAKER_01]: that to me, and I think to us, Kenneth, it looks like some of those incompletions are good balls thrown with good anticipation, but because not everything is just so because not everybody is 100% of the details and sometimes that might be Caleb Williams.
28:59
[SPEAKER_01]: Sometimes that might be Caleb Williams, not being 100% on the details.
29:03
[SPEAKER_01]: That's when those little differences can lead to incompletions.
29:07
[SPEAKER_01]: But what is encouraging, as you said, I think I think
29:12
[SPEAKER_01]: The encouraging stuff is more encouraging than the discouraging stuff.
29:16
[SPEAKER_01]: And the encouraging stuff is seeing him go through his progressions quickly.
29:20
[SPEAKER_01]: The encouraging stuff is seeing him throwing balls to spots, not waiting for guys to get open.
29:27
[SPEAKER_01]: Right?
29:28
[SPEAKER_01]: I...
29:28
[UNKNOWN]: It...
29:29
[SPEAKER_01]: It is probably unfair, but it's the last quarterback and it's the last quarterback people are hyped about.
29:35
[SPEAKER_01]: That is something that Justin Fields really struggled with his entire time here was throwing the ball before guys got open, you know?
29:45
[SPEAKER_01]: Justin Fields didn't really like to challenge the ball in like super tight spots.
29:51
[SPEAKER_01]: Kilblings does that all the time?
29:54
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, he'll throw top balls and small windows.
29:57
[SPEAKER_01]: So that stuff is really encouraging and being a little bit off here or there, I believe that that's the stuff that will come along simply with reps.
30:09
[SPEAKER_01]: Simply with these guys playing more games together, having more practices together.
30:13
[SPEAKER_01]: Again, we have to continue to
30:16
[SPEAKER_01]: continue to say this is the first season with Ben Johnson.
30:19
[SPEAKER_03]: It took them a while just yeah exactly last year was trash and that some of us at least I don't hear that he didn't learn anything last year everybody like outside of the speed of the league he and he and
30:32
[SPEAKER_03]: He reinforces bad habits that he had in college and probably picked up some more to stay alive in the league without having someone to kind of teach him on what not to do.
30:42
[SPEAKER_03]: So Ben Johnson is undoing a lot, you know what I'm saying.
30:46
[SPEAKER_03]: So add that into the equation.
30:48
[SPEAKER_03]: And again, if it doesn't improve, and again, let's say this too, very few quarterbacks go from being inaccurate and become accurate.
30:57
[SPEAKER_03]: Now I will say this.
30:59
[SPEAKER_03]: In the that Lamar Baker may feel Josh Allen draft, I was a Josh Allen proponent.
31:05
[SPEAKER_03]: I thought he should have been the one and he improved.
31:08
[SPEAKER_03]: That doesn't mean I could put that in a plot out okay, looking the same thing will happen.
31:13
[SPEAKER_03]: But I think Ben Johnson will prop that I think haven't been Johnson.
31:16
[SPEAKER_03]: She leads you to think he's going to get closer to that than staying at what the meeting is right now.
31:23
[SPEAKER_03]: The meeting is right now.
31:24
[SPEAKER_03]: So again, my opinion,
31:28
[SPEAKER_03]: But I think the bear's quarterback will improve and I was a person that was worried about it too.
31:34
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm not just a Caleb Koolay drinker, if something doesn't look right, I have to own up and be like, yo, that doesn't look right.
31:41
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm concerned if he's going to be able to take it to a next level.
31:44
[SPEAKER_03]: And now I feel a lot better about the he's going to be able to take it to another level.
31:49
[SPEAKER_03]: All right, the bears are traveling to Green Bay in the afternoon, the second afternoon game.
31:56
[SPEAKER_03]: All right, I don't know what the weather is going to be.
31:59
[SPEAKER_03]: I should have checked that out.
32:01
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm sure, I was going to say, I'm sure, from what we got here is going to be extremely cold, but I mean, they play in Chicago, so it's not like they're a team that plays in the south and they're coming up to the north and they didn't know or they haven't played in practice in those type of conditions and I know the bears practice in the bubble.
32:19
[SPEAKER_03]: but you get what I mean.
32:21
[SPEAKER_03]: Green Bay is I fit belief forth in yards given defensively and I think their eighth in touchdowns given that defense is playing pretty well.
32:32
[SPEAKER_03]: It's playing a lot more and recently like people believe they were going to play after trading for Michael Parsons from the Dallas Cowboys.
32:40
[SPEAKER_03]: And we're in one of those Rosie Jordan love areas where he's playing well too.
32:47
[SPEAKER_03]: You know what I'm saying?
32:48
[SPEAKER_03]: Jordan can he can fluctuate a little bit even though he's a mat talented.
32:52
[SPEAKER_03]: He still hasn't perhaps lived up to the repetitions of the last two quarterbacks that have him.
32:58
[SPEAKER_03]: The Green Bay Packers in Far and Aaron Rogers, but your thoughts on the Bears taking on the Packers, they're gonna face the Packers again in two weeks after playing the Browns.
33:09
[SPEAKER_03]: This could really set the tone for who's gonna win the division.
33:13
[SPEAKER_03]: So the Bears at least have to split, you know, but we're talking about this upcoming game there before they come here to soldier field, your thoughts on what we see expect with the Bears traveling the Green Bay Alex.
33:25
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you're absolutely right.
33:26
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, they're talking about the defense off the top.
33:28
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm pretty sure a top five defense.
33:30
[SPEAKER_01]: They're top six.
33:31
[SPEAKER_01]: So in points, a loud, they're sixth.
33:35
[SPEAKER_01]: So really good.
33:37
[SPEAKER_01]: And they also have top 10 offense and points scored their 10th.
33:40
[SPEAKER_01]: So 10th scoring offense and sixth scoring defense.
33:46
[SPEAKER_01]: That's a stout team.
33:47
[SPEAKER_01]: That is a stout team.
33:49
[SPEAKER_01]: Now, so yeah, obviously it's going to be huge challenge, right?
33:52
[SPEAKER_01]: Huge challenge, hostile environment,
33:56
[SPEAKER_01]: Fortunately for the bears, they won their last year.
33:59
[SPEAKER_01]: Caleb Williams has already gotten that winning feeling in Lambo field, which we know is a spot for him.
34:06
[SPEAKER_01]: Dude grew up, modeling his game after Aaron Rodgers, loved watching Aaron Rodgers, all of that stuff.
34:12
[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm sure winning at Lambo meant a lot to him.
34:17
[SPEAKER_01]: So that's out of the way, that's good, they've already done that.
34:22
[SPEAKER_01]: The team though is very good.
34:24
[SPEAKER_01]: Micah Parsons is obviously a problem.
34:28
[SPEAKER_01]: What I think might be really a problem is Jordan loves.
34:36
[SPEAKER_01]: takes really good care of the football.
34:37
[SPEAKER_01]: Now, Jalen Hertz does the same thing and Kevin Byrd minus managed to pick Jalen Hertz off, right?
34:45
[SPEAKER_01]: But Jordan love is only thrown three intersections this year.
34:48
[SPEAKER_01]: So the bears need to find a way to replicate that.
34:52
[SPEAKER_01]: To coax a guy who does not turn the ball over, to turn the ball over again because that is the key.
34:58
[SPEAKER_01]: This bears team, it really just seems like if they can take the ball away, they are setting themselves up for success.
35:05
[SPEAKER_01]: So how can the bears do that?
35:07
[SPEAKER_01]: How can the bears get Jordan love to give them the footballer?
35:11
[SPEAKER_01]: How can they get to ball on the ground?
35:13
[SPEAKER_01]: That's up to them to figure out.
35:15
[SPEAKER_01]: But what is good?
35:17
[SPEAKER_01]: is that the packers run game has not been very, it's been effective, but not explosive.
35:25
[SPEAKER_01]: So check this out.
35:26
[SPEAKER_01]: They have just two runs over 20 yards this year.
35:30
[SPEAKER_01]: Just two runs over 20 yards.
35:32
[SPEAKER_01]: That's 30th in the league.
35:34
[SPEAKER_01]: And then no runs over 40 yards.
35:38
[SPEAKER_01]: So,
35:39
[SPEAKER_01]: if the bears and this was key, this was key against the eagles.
35:44
[SPEAKER_01]: It's basically just follow that eagles game plan again.
35:46
[SPEAKER_01]: It's how you beat the packers.
35:48
[SPEAKER_01]: If they can keep the packers out of third and shorts, that third-down defense has been pretty solid for the bears.
35:56
[SPEAKER_01]: So if they can do that, if they can bottle up that running game, keep them in third and longs, get off the field, force a couple of turnovers, and then run the ball real well.
36:06
[SPEAKER_01]: that's how, in my opinion, the bears win this game.
36:08
[SPEAKER_01]: It's the same way they've been winning all their football games.
36:11
[SPEAKER_01]: They found their identity.
36:12
[SPEAKER_01]: That's what's great.
36:14
[SPEAKER_03]: Now, they lost.
36:15
[SPEAKER_03]: It's isn't apples to apples comparison, but they did lose to the Eagles 10 to 7 in the low scoring game.
36:23
[SPEAKER_03]: And now there were questions about the Pac men and the Pacs have played better right now.
36:28
[SPEAKER_03]: And we look at it.
36:29
[SPEAKER_03]: They have won their last three games, even though the only team,
36:34
[SPEAKER_03]: Giants and the Vikings don't count unfortunately.
36:40
[SPEAKER_03]: You're also talking about a top 10 team when it comes to rushing yards allowed, which again is what that's the bear the bear's bread and butter.
36:50
[SPEAKER_03]: So listen, on paper it wouldn't surprise me if the bear's lost and I know this is going to piss people off because I'm supposed to be on here like we went to be
37:02
[SPEAKER_03]: And I mean, partially, and I'm only saying this because I believe the bears can be anybody.
37:08
[SPEAKER_03]: And that that's crazy coming out of my mouth, right?
37:11
[SPEAKER_03]: I believe the bears can be anybody within the NFL.
37:16
[SPEAKER_03]: I swear to you, I believe that.
37:18
[SPEAKER_03]: It, it's not a shocking anymore.
37:20
[SPEAKER_03]: It's like, yeah, they can do it.
37:21
[SPEAKER_03]: They can date like they have going back to what Alex said earlier in the coaching of the vote for coach of the year.
37:27
[SPEAKER_03]: on paper, look at what they got.
37:28
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, if they had one more edge rusher, we'd be, we'd be saying they better beat everybody.
37:33
[SPEAKER_03]: You know what I'm saying?
37:34
[SPEAKER_03]: Like we'd be like, you know, they better, if the linebacks were healthy with an edge rusher, we'd be, we'd be born, we'd be crazy in this city.
37:42
[SPEAKER_03]: But the Packers are hot right now.
37:44
[SPEAKER_03]: The Bears are hot too, but the Packers are living in their truth.
37:49
[SPEAKER_03]: because this is what they were supposed to be doing.
37:51
[SPEAKER_03]: One, we've set this for years, and I know some of you may not have followed us on the Undercenter Podcasts, but we were asking for the bears to flip so they could catch up to what the lines and the packers were doing.
38:03
[SPEAKER_03]: Right, and it was like, yo, there we are, we are,
38:06
[SPEAKER_03]: And we're going to be late and do we see what the lines have been and the packers have been and then the lines haven't been as they've still been good to have been as well as we would have expected.
38:16
[SPEAKER_03]: But you also come out of Packer teams and trade it for microparces similar to like when the bear's trade for calil mac and the height train and mind you the pack's are really on the way the bears weren't on their way when they traded for calil mac.
38:27
[SPEAKER_03]: Packers were already a team that people viewed as one of the better team but then I see let alone not in the let alone in the league so that is kind of you add all of that up this is going to be a rough matchup it's a matchup they can win I was pointing out last game in the year
38:43
[SPEAKER_03]: The bears went up there and they beat them.
38:45
[SPEAKER_03]: Caleb got the victory.
38:47
[SPEAKER_03]: The season didn't taste as bad at the end of the season because they had that to kind of capsulate the season and to take them into the offseason.
38:53
[SPEAKER_03]: Those good, the Virginia McCastie got to see that before she passed on.
38:57
[SPEAKER_03]: So again, as Alex said, they have to do everything they did last week.
39:02
[SPEAKER_03]: I'll give you my pros and my cons.
39:06
[SPEAKER_03]: My con is the Packers have a better pass in game and a better receiving court.
39:11
[SPEAKER_03]: For some odd reason, the last 30 years, we talked about the green days, quarterbacks from Brett Farb to Aaron Rodgers to Jordan Love.
39:18
[SPEAKER_03]: One thing we don't talk about, they've always got a damn wide receiver room for some reason.
39:22
[SPEAKER_03]: Like they just have four guys that can just catch like all the time like we can go from from Sterling to robbers to Freeman to a general driver, Nelson, I mean, I said, Jordi, um, but they already have so you got Christian Christian Watson, Whackens, Watson whatever, you know, is Christian Watson.
39:42
[SPEAKER_03]: Watson, who I wanted to bear, again, who's always hurt is balling right now.
39:47
[SPEAKER_03]: Dom's is always balling, you know, like, they always, they always got something going on with Tucker's craft tight-end.
39:55
[SPEAKER_03]: I was like, you know, like, do they, like, do they, they, so that is a plus in the kind of the bears, but the plus is the bears are just snatching about out of the sky.
40:04
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, like, in some ways, it gives more opportunities for them to get a turn over because the Packers are going to put the ball in place.
40:11
[SPEAKER_03]: Compared to even that you said that hurts is similar to Jordan Love and not and not turning over the ball, but Jordan Love's gonna put that ball and play a lot more.
40:20
[SPEAKER_03]: and Aaron Roger thrown that valve off a crazy platforms at times.
40:24
[SPEAKER_03]: And I'd be, or I should say, more of the Jake Cutler off a crazy platforms and not be totally set.
40:30
[SPEAKER_03]: And again, he's been able to live with it and not turn the ball over.
40:34
[SPEAKER_03]: The fact that the bears have, you look at what they did last week against the Eagles against such nasty defense.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It tells me, I think the bears are going to be able to run on this defense.
40:46
[SPEAKER_03]: They're probably going to run at micoparsons, you know, like they're going to try to do what they did to those DTs against the ego.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So again, this game is a good game.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I won't say, it is a barometer.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't because last week was a barometer.
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[SPEAKER_03]: This is another barometer.
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[SPEAKER_03]: and it'll be interesting to see if the bears can go on the road to Green Bay after going on the road to a nasty environment in Philadelphia, and pull it off.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Can they do it back to back weeks?
41:17
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, if they pulled this one off, it's super possible.
41:22
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, they can take out two of the best teams in the NFC, right?
41:34
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, they didn't just sneak by the useless week.
41:37
[SPEAKER_03]: They broke.
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[SPEAKER_00]: No, no, if they beat the packers this week, yeah, like we're about to get really
41:52
[SPEAKER_03]: Alright.
41:55
[SPEAKER_03]: Are we giving scores?
41:56
[SPEAKER_03]: What do you want to do?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Before we get out of here.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Sure, let's give scores.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think we should also just give a quick injury update.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So right before we start, of course he's podcast, the bears had their Thursday entry report, something to note to DNPs for Roma Dunesay.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That will hurt this team.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Roma Dunesay is obviously like he's developed into the widersie for one.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If he's not out there, that hurts the offense.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's more eyeballs on DJ more.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And that that will just necessarily slow things down.
42:23
[SPEAKER_01]: So that is something
42:27
[SPEAKER_01]: What's great news for this team is that TJ Edwards turned into limited practices.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So if he's able to
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[SPEAKER_01]: get on the field again.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If he's able to be healthy enough to play.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Now you're talking about this defense that is playing really well.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's getting one of its best players back.
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[SPEAKER_01]: TJ Edwards has done nothing but rack up tackles.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's been really, really solid.
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[SPEAKER_01]: No matter where really they put him on the field, so that will help a lot, especially as we talk about stuffing that Packer's
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[SPEAKER_01]: and getting the Packers in third and long, TJ Edwards should help work towards that goal.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So a little bit of bad news on the injury front for Baris fans, a little bit of good news though as well.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Anything on that with you, Kenneth, before we go?
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[SPEAKER_03]: No, I think I think TJ Edwards coming back and having
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[SPEAKER_03]: Um, a stud on that second level.
43:26
[SPEAKER_03]: And I mean, when it comes to tackling, he's a stud.
43:28
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, he has his limitations perhaps in the passing game.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But I mean, he has been one of their best defenders over the last three seasons.
43:36
[SPEAKER_03]: I think it benefits them and you think about the fact that, you know, you got you had, um,
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[SPEAKER_03]: Gordon, a Kyla Gordon come back last week and how that alleviates further alleviates some of the pressure on some of the other defenders.
43:50
[SPEAKER_03]: I think Rome will play though.
43:51
[SPEAKER_03]: I was going to say that.
43:53
[SPEAKER_03]: I think there be, I could be wrong.
43:55
[SPEAKER_03]: I just believe that they're like, you know what?
43:59
[SPEAKER_03]: Let's let them have the week off.
44:02
[SPEAKER_03]: and let them just run on, let them get out of their snow reason.
44:04
[SPEAKER_03]: Because even if he's just out there going to, it'd be a decoy to your point as far as, and then if he can't go, come on, bring us out of there.
44:16
[SPEAKER_03]: I could be running, I just, I just how I feel.
44:18
[SPEAKER_03]: This isn't that I know and I don't have any insider information on that.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I just feel that that could be what takes place.
44:25
[SPEAKER_03]: So I'll give you my score.
44:26
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm gonna go with the bears,
44:30
[SPEAKER_03]: It's gonna be, I think it's gonna be bears, and this is gonna be three points bears.
44:35
[SPEAKER_03]: So it's gonna be like 20, if 24, packs 24, bears 27 or something like
44:43
[SPEAKER_03]: The bear's 30 and the pack 27 or it's going to be a tight window.
44:49
[SPEAKER_03]: And I think the pack, I will say this and this may be just from my blood pressure.
44:54
[SPEAKER_03]: I will say the pack are going to be close to tiny or close to winning the game at the end and the bears are going to be just start them outside of them off or because I know if if if it's Caleb coming down the win the game.
45:11
[SPEAKER_03]: And Caleb wins the game in Green Bay at the last couple of minutes.
45:18
[SPEAKER_01]: They're going to start calling.
45:19
[SPEAKER_01]: They're going to start contracting statues already.
45:21
[SPEAKER_03]: The catch I'm going to be on the field.
45:25
[SPEAKER_00]: If you are a bronze worker in the city of Chicago, get ready.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Go one.
45:31
[SPEAKER_03]: All right, Alex, you're school up before we go out here.
45:36
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, I'm so tired.
45:39
[SPEAKER_01]: You know what kind of the vibes are right right now vibes are fine.
45:44
[SPEAKER_01]: Can I just ride with the vibes real quick ride with the vibes I want to ride with the vibes Bears 28 Green Bay Packers 20 8 and nice 8. victory
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm just riding with the vibes.
46:03
[SPEAKER_03]: Cool, assuming this is the first of all, we split.
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[SPEAKER_03]: There's nothing wrong with this vibe, Rodden, because they proven it.
46:10
[SPEAKER_03]: Like, there's no reason for us to be on here, Mercury, Dismal, when they beat the crap out of the equals last week, right?
46:17
[SPEAKER_03]: Like, there's no logic out there, no.
46:19
[SPEAKER_03]: This is logic.
46:20
[SPEAKER_03]: It's not even logic out there with no.
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[SPEAKER_03]: This has rational thought and logic involved in, they've done it against the world champs.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So it's not this improbable they can do it against Green Bay,
46:31
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's and it's the same script.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They can follow the same script.
46:34
[SPEAKER_01]: Just the script.
46:35
[SPEAKER_01]: They follow to be the Eagles should work against the Green Bay Packers.
46:40
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and look and one thing that didn't have last year was this often some like so yeah, Green Bay got they got some guys up front, but the bears have some guys now like let's just be honest.
46:52
[SPEAKER_01]: They have one of them.
46:59
[SPEAKER_01]: Bears are banged up.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Packers are banged up, too.
47:02
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a lot of time.
47:03
[SPEAKER_01]: Do you want to say why, DNP Lucas Vendus?
47:06
[SPEAKER_01]: You're good.
47:06
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, my guy from like nine seasons ago, it feels like it was nine seasons ago.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Banged up, banged up.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So there.
47:15
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, banged up as well.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Alright, everybody, make sure after the game, you make sure you tune in to us here at the Winnie City podcast on the fan side, it provided to you by fan side, and I should say, Alex and I will be here to go over the Bears victory.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We'll be in victory formation.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Victory or loss, but victory over the Grand Pay Packers, we always appreciate you taking the time out to hang out with us here on the Winnie City podcast and we will see you Sunday.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Have a good one.