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- 0:00Speaker 1: Imagine for a second that it's the early 1970s, right?
- 0:04Speaker 1: You're in Houston, Texas.
- 0:05Speaker 2: A completely different world back then. Oh, totally.
- 0:08Speaker 1: The boomtown era. But there's this chilling reality happening under
- 0:12Speaker 1: the surface. Because teenage boys are just, they're vanishing. Vanishing
- 0:17Speaker 1: right off the streets.
- 0:18Speaker 2: Yep. Just gone.
- 0:20Speaker 1: And the authorities, the people who are supposed to protect
- 0:22Speaker 1: the city, they aren't sounding any alarms. They're basically just
- 0:26Speaker 1: shrugging it off.
- 0:27Speaker 2: Right. Calling it a runaway problem. Exactly.
- 0:30Speaker 1: Just, you know, rebellious kids hitting the road. But the
- 0:33Speaker 1: truth is much, much darker than anyone could have guessed.
- 0:36Speaker 2: It really is one of the most profound institutional failures
- 0:39Speaker 2: of that decade.
- 0:41Speaker 1: Today, we are pulling from some incredibly detailed source material.
- 0:45Speaker 1: We've got an ABC 13 Houston report by Jessica Willey.
- 0:49Speaker 2: That's from May 12th, 2025, right?
- 0:51Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. And the report covers this absolutely packed event
- 0:55Speaker 1: at the Murder by the Book bookstore down in Houston.
- 0:58Speaker 2: Which is such an iconic spot for this kind of launch.
- 1:01Speaker 1: It really is. They were hosting the launch for investigative
- 1:04Speaker 1: journalist Lise Olson's new book. It's called The Scientist and
- 1:07Speaker 1: the Serial Killer.
- 1:08Speaker 2: And she spent, what, four years researching that?
- 1:12Speaker 1: Four exhaustive years. Pouring over documents, talking to families. So
- 1:17Speaker 1: our mission for this deep dive is to really understand
- 1:20Speaker 1: how one of America's most prolific killers managed to just,
- 1:23Speaker 1: you know, operate in plain sight.
- 1:25Speaker 2: Right. How the systems failed so spectacularly.
- 1:28Speaker 1: Yeah, and how half a century later, a relentless forensic
- 1:32Speaker 1: scientist is using modern methods to rewrite history and bring
- 1:35Speaker 1: some sort of peace to these devastated families.
- 1:38Speaker 2: It's a massive story.
- 1:40Speaker 1: It is. Okay, let's unpack this, because this deep dive
- 1:44Speaker 1: isn't just about the macabre, right? It's about the triumph
- 1:46Speaker 1: of science and memory over time. To really grasp this,
- 1:50Speaker 1: you have to visualize the reality of 1970s Houston. You
- 1:53Speaker 1: really do.
- 1:55Speaker 2: I always tell people to picture the backdrop for this
- 1:58Speaker 2: deep dive as a physical space. On one side of
- 2:01Speaker 2: the room, you have this classic analog 1970s police evidence board.
- 2:05Speaker 1: Oh, yeah, like corkboard, pushpins.
- 2:07Speaker 2: Exactly. Index cards, type reports with, you know, coffee stains
- 2:11Speaker 2: on them. And then as you move across the room,
- 2:14Speaker 2: that old analog board is slowly being overtaken by modern
- 2:17Speaker 2: forensic science charts.
- 2:18Speaker 1: Right, like digital DNA sequencing and genealogical webs.
- 2:22Speaker 2: Spot on. Because to understand Dean Corll, the killer at
- 2:26Speaker 2: the center of this nightmare, you have to understand the era.
- 2:29Speaker 1: The early 70s.
- 2:30Speaker 2: Right. And what's fascinating here is that his crimes literally
- 2:34Speaker 2: predated the coinage of the term serial killer.
- 2:38Speaker 1: Wait, really? The term didn't even exist.
- 2:40Speaker 2: It really didn't.
- 2:41Speaker 1: Not in the public consciousness and certainly not in standard
- 2:43Speaker 1: police work.
- 2:44Speaker 2: It's wild. The FBI's behavioral science unit was in its infancy.
- 2:49Speaker 2: So how do law enforcement agencies profile or track or
- 2:53Speaker 2: even comprehend a crime pattern when they don't have the
- 2:56Speaker 2: psychological vocabulary for it.
- 2:58Speaker 1: I mean, I guess they just don't. It's like trying
- 3:00Speaker 1: to diagnose a deadly virus before the invention of the microscope.
- 3:03Speaker 2: That's a great way to put it.
- 3:04Speaker 1: You know, like you can see the symptoms, in this
- 3:07Speaker 1: case dozens of missing boys, but you literally can't see
- 3:10Speaker 1: the underlying disease.
- 3:11Speaker 2: You're just treating a fever and ignoring the infection. Exactly.
- 3:15Speaker 1: And the killer exploited that. I mean, we have to
- 3:17Speaker 1: talk about the nickname. The Candyman.
- 3:20Speaker 2: Yeah, that moniker is chilling. It is.
- 3:23Speaker 1: And it wasn't just some spooky media invention after the fact.
- 3:26Speaker 1: It came from his actual family's candy business in Houston Heights. Right.
- 3:30Speaker 2: He was literally handing out free candy to local kids.
- 3:33Speaker 1: Which is just, it's so insidious when you think about it.
- 3:36Speaker 2: The psychology of it is devastating. He was weaponizing a
- 3:40Speaker 2: symbol of childhood innocence.
- 3:41Speaker 1: Totally. Candy equals sweetness, right? It equals trust.
- 3:45Speaker 2: And safety. It's the ultimate icebreaker for a predator looking
- 3:49Speaker 2: to lure vulnerable young men.
- 3:51Speaker 1: It completely disarms them. But this brings up the biggest
- 3:55Speaker 1: question for me. How did so many boys go missing
- 3:58Speaker 1: without sparking a massive citywide panic?
- 4:01Speaker 2: It all comes down to the tragedy of assumptions.
- 4:04Speaker 1: Right. Because dozens of teenage boys and young men were
- 4:07Speaker 1: disappearing from the same general areas, but the police were
- 4:10Speaker 1: routinely dismissing these cases as runaways.
- 4:13Speaker 2: Almost categorically.
- 4:15Speaker 1: I just, I have to push back on that narrative.
- 4:16Speaker 1: Because how could the police just write off dozens of
- 4:19Speaker 1: disappearances in the exact same demographics?
- 4:21Speaker 2: It sounds impossible now.
- 4:23Speaker 1: It does. I mean, was it just gross negligence or
- 4:26Speaker 1: was it a genuine misunderstanding of the youth culture at
- 4:29Speaker 1: the time?
- 4:30Speaker 2: It's a bit of both. But you really have to
- 4:32Speaker 2: look at the broader context of the 1970s.
- 4:35Speaker 1: OK, set the scene for me.
- 4:37Speaker 2: The country was in the middle of this massive cultural upheaval.
- 4:40Speaker 2: You had the anti-war movement, the counterculture, teenagers rebelling against
- 4:45Speaker 2: traditional structures.
- 4:47Speaker 1: Right. Hitchhiking across the country was like a normal weekend activity.
- 4:50Speaker 2: Exactly. Dropping out of society was part of the zeitgeist.
- 4:54Speaker 2: So for law enforcement, assuming these teens ran away, well,
- 4:58Speaker 2: it was the path of least resistance.
- 4:59Speaker 1: It's easier to file a runaway report than investigate a
- 5:02Speaker 1: potential kidnapping.
- 5:03Speaker 2: Far easier. And that assumption was honestly the greatest tool
- 5:07Speaker 2: in Corll's arsenal.
- 5:09Speaker 1: Because it gave him cover.
- 5:10Speaker 2: It gave him an invisibility cloak. By classifying these missing
- 5:13Speaker 2: boys as runaways, the police inadvertently told the killer that
- 5:17Speaker 2: no one was looking for him.
- 5:19Speaker 1: Wow. They basically handed him a free pass.
- 5:22Speaker 2: They did. And it highlights the terrifying danger of institutional bias.
- 5:28Speaker 1: Right. When the system decides on a narrative like, oh,
- 5:30Speaker 1: these are just rebellious kids, they completely blind themselves to
- 5:33Speaker 1: the raw data.
- 5:35Speaker 2: Even when the data is screaming that dozens of boys
- 5:37Speaker 2: are banishing into thin air.
- 5:38Speaker 1: So this cloak of invisibility, as you called it, holds
- 5:42Speaker 1: up for years until a sudden, incredibly violent implosion from
- 5:48Speaker 1: within the killer's own inner circle.
- 5:50Speaker 2: August 8th, 1973.
- 5:52Speaker 1: Yes, the reign of terror finally ends. But not because
- 5:56Speaker 1: some brilliant detective connected the dots.
- 5:59Speaker 2: No, the police were nowhere close to solving it.
- 6:02Speaker 1: Here's where it gets really interesting. The whole thing comes
- 6:06Speaker 1: crashing down because a 17-year-old accomplice named Elmer Wayne Henley
- 6:10Speaker 1: fatally shot Dean Corll.
- 6:13Speaker 2: Inside a home in Pasadena, Texas.
- 6:15Speaker 1: Right. Henley picks up a phone, calls the Pasadena police,
- 6:18Speaker 1: and basically claims he had just killed his friend in self-defense.
- 6:23Speaker 2: Which is just incredible irony.
- 6:26Speaker 1: It really is. The police pull up to this house
- 6:28Speaker 1: thinking they're responding to a standard run-of-the-mill domestic dispute or
- 6:32Speaker 1: maybe a tragic accident between friends.
- 6:35Speaker 2: Just a standard homicide call.
- 6:37Speaker 1: Exactly. And they end up pulling a thread that unravels
- 6:40Speaker 1: a years-long plot of torture, rape, and mass murder.
- 6:44Speaker 2: It's a complete paradigm shift for the responding officers.
- 6:48Speaker 1: I can't even imagine being the cop walking into that
- 6:50Speaker 1: living room.
- 6:51Speaker 2: And you brought up a crucial word there, accomplice. Because
- 6:54Speaker 2: Coral didn't act alone.
- 6:56Speaker 1: Yeah, that part is so deeply disturbing.
- 6:59Speaker 2: He utilized two teenage accomplices, Henley and another boy named
- 7:04Speaker 2: David Brooks.
- 7:06Speaker 1: Why does a serial killer recruit teenagers to help him?
- 7:10Speaker 2: It's a twisted, highly effective psychological dynamic. Coral was a
- 7:15Speaker 2: predator in his 30s. If he approaches a high school kid,
- 7:18Speaker 2: that kid's guard might go up.
- 7:20Speaker 1: Sure, stranger danger.
- 7:21Speaker 2: But if Henley or Brooks, kids their own age, kids
- 7:24Speaker 2: they might know from school or the neighborhood, invite them
- 7:27Speaker 2: over for a party... Oh, wow.
- 7:30Speaker 1: The guard drops instantly.
- 7:32Speaker 2: Exactly. He outsourced the grooming process. He manipulated these youths
- 7:37Speaker 2: into hunting their own peers.
- 7:39Speaker 1: That is just... it's sickening. turning teenagers into bait for
- 7:43Speaker 1: other teenagers.
- 7:45Speaker 2: It's the ultimate betrayal of peer trust. And once the
- 7:48Speaker 2: police realized the scope of what they were dealing with,
- 7:51Speaker 2: Henley and Brooks essentially became tour guides to a Texas-sized nightmare.
- 7:56Speaker 1: Tour guides to hell, really. Because they start leading the
- 7:59Speaker 1: authorities to these mass graves. And it wasn't just one spot.
- 8:03Speaker 2: No, the geographic spread was massive.
- 8:05Speaker 1: Right. They led them to three distinct sites. You've got
- 8:07Speaker 1: a beach at High Island. You've got the Piney Woods
- 8:10Speaker 1: out near Lake Sam Rayburn.
- 8:12Speaker 2: Which is pretty remote.
- 8:13Speaker 1: Yeah, very remote. And then, most shockingly, a boat storage
- 8:17Speaker 1: facility right in southwest Houston.
- 8:20Speaker 2: Right in the middle of civilization.
- 8:21Speaker 1: It's insane. By the end of August 1973, they had
- 8:25Speaker 1: recovered 27 bodies.
- 8:28Speaker 2: 27 young men.
- 8:29Speaker 1: I mean, this wasn't a single crime scene hidden in
- 8:31Speaker 1: a basement. It was a macabre map stretching across the
- 8:35Speaker 1: Texas landscape.
- 8:36Speaker 2: Indeed. We really need to zero in on that boat
- 8:39Speaker 2: storage facility.
- 8:40Speaker 1: The one in Houston?
- 8:41Speaker 2: Yes, because 17 of the 27 bodies were found in
- 8:44Speaker 2: that single location.
- 8:46Speaker 1: Wow. More than half. Right.
- 8:49Speaker 2: And from a behavioral profiling standpoint, that implies a terrifying
- 8:53Speaker 2: level of logistical planning.
- 8:56Speaker 1: How do you mean?
- 8:56Speaker 2: Well, burying someone on an isolated beach is one thing,
- 9:00Speaker 2: but renting a commercial storage unit in a populated area,
- 9:03Speaker 2: hauling dirt and lime... Systematically hiding 17 bodies?
- 9:07Speaker 1: Yeah, the logistics of that. The smell. The risk of
- 9:10Speaker 1: getting caught by a property manager.
- 9:13Speaker 2: Exactly. It shows cold, calculated organization. These weren't crimes of passion.
- 9:19Speaker 1: It sounds like an industrialized process of murder.
- 9:22Speaker 2: That's exactly what it was. A warehousing operation for human remains.
- 9:27Speaker 1: God, that is so bleak.
- 9:29Speaker 2: But, you know, finding the bodies was really only the
- 9:32Speaker 2: first part of the tragedy.
- 9:34Speaker 1: The physical recovery. Right.
- 9:35Speaker 2: The second part, the much harder part, was giving those
- 9:39Speaker 2: bodies back their names.
- 9:40Speaker 1: Which is a process that would take decades.
- 9:43Speaker 2: Decades. And it required a relentless champion, which brings us
- 9:48Speaker 2: to the core of Lisa Olson's book, The Scientist and
- 9:51Speaker 2: the Serial Killer.
- 9:52Speaker 1: Yes. Enter Dr. Sharon Derrick.
- 9:55Speaker 2: Dr. Sharon Derrick is the forensic anthropologist referenced in the title, right?
- 9:59Speaker 2: She is. And for over 20 years, starting at the
- 10:02Speaker 2: Harris County Medical Examiner's Office, she has worked painstakingly to
- 10:07Speaker 2: identify these remains.
- 10:08Speaker 1: 20 years of just looking at bones from 1973.
- 10:13Speaker 2: Obsessive, meticulous work. There's a quote from Dr. Derrick in
- 10:17Speaker 2: the source material that really stands out.
- 10:19Speaker 1: Oh, what does she say?
- 10:20Speaker 2: She asks, wouldn't we be so grateful to know the truth,
- 10:24Speaker 2: even if it's horrible? Oh, wow.
- 10:26Speaker 1: That hits hard.
- 10:27Speaker 2: It does. And if we connect this to the bigger picture,
- 10:31Speaker 2: it really highlights the philosophical and scientific burden of forensic anthropology.
- 10:36Speaker 1: It's not just about solving a puzzle.
- 10:37Speaker 2: Exactly. It's about restoring human dignity. When Coral buried those
- 10:42Speaker 2: boys in his shed, he stripped them of their identities.
- 10:45Speaker 2: He turned them into nameless objects.
- 10:47Speaker 1: Just inventory.
- 10:48Speaker 2: Right.
- 10:49Speaker 1: Right.
- 10:50Speaker 2: So Dr. Derrick's work is driven by this intense mix
- 10:53Speaker 2: of obsession and compassion to give them their humanity back.
- 10:57Speaker 1: I want you, the listener, to just imagine that level
- 11:00Speaker 1: of dedication. Think about waking up every single day for
- 11:03Speaker 1: two decades.
- 11:04Speaker 2: Facing the darkest parts of humanity. Yeah.
- 11:07Speaker 1: Going into a lab to look at cold, degraded bones,
- 11:11Speaker 1: determined to tell a story that society, quite frankly, tried
- 11:14Speaker 1: to sweep under the rug.
- 11:15Speaker 2: The psychological toll of that work. has to be immense.
- 11:19Speaker 1: But to truly understand Dr. Derrick's impact, I think we
- 11:23Speaker 1: have to look away from the microscopes and the science
- 11:25Speaker 1: for a moment. We need to look at the families
- 11:27Speaker 1: left behind.
- 11:28Speaker 2: The people who lived with the void. Exactly.
- 11:31Speaker 1: And the source material highlights this heartbreaking story of a
- 11:34Speaker 1: boy named Donnie Falcone.
- 11:36Speaker 2: He was 16, right?
- 11:38Speaker 1: Yeah, just 16. He moved from Corpus Christi to Houston
- 11:41Speaker 1: in 1971. And that August, he just vanished.
- 11:45Speaker 2: Disappeared without a trace.
- 11:46Speaker 1: And for decades, there were no answers, just swirling rumors.
- 11:49Speaker 1: Some people in the neighborhood even started saying he had
- 11:51Speaker 1: joined the mafia.
- 11:52Speaker 2: Which is such a specific and wild rumor.
- 11:55Speaker 1: I know. But recently, thanks to Dr. Derrick's relentless work,
- 12:00Speaker 1: she identified some of the bones as his. She brought
- 12:02Speaker 1: him home after almost 45 years.
- 12:05Speaker 2: 45 years.
- 12:07Speaker 1: That's a lifetime of waiting. And at the book launch,
- 12:10Speaker 1: the reporter spoke to Deborah Christie, Donnie's niece.
- 12:12Speaker 2: Right. Who attended the event.
- 12:14Speaker 1: Yeah. She grew up entirely in the shadow of this disappearance.
- 12:17Speaker 1: She talked about how this searching just defined her family.
- 12:21Speaker 2: It's a classic example of ambiguous loss.
- 12:24Speaker 1: Ambiguous loss. Can you break that down a bit? Sure.
- 12:27Speaker 2: When someone dies and you have a body, there's a
- 12:30Speaker 2: grieving process. It's terrible, but there's closure.
- 12:33Speaker 1: You have a funeral.
- 12:34Speaker 2: Right. But when a loved one just vanishes, there's a
- 12:38Speaker 2: vacuum of information. And human nature absolutely abhors a vacuum.
- 12:43Speaker 1: We need to know what happened.
- 12:45Speaker 2: We demand a narrative. So that rumor you mentioned, that
- 12:48Speaker 2: Donnie joined the mafia, that was very likely a psychological
- 12:51Speaker 2: coping mechanism for the community.
- 12:53Speaker 1: Wait, you think they made it up to feel better?
- 12:56Speaker 2: Unconsciously, yes. It is psychologically easier to imagine a loved
- 13:00Speaker 2: one living a secret, dangerous life than to accept they
- 13:04Speaker 2: were the victim of a sadistic serial killer.
- 13:06Speaker 1: Oh man, that makes so much sense. It gives him agency,
- 13:10Speaker 1: like he chose to leave rather than being abducted.
- 13:13Speaker 2: Exactly. It's a defense mechanism against the true horror.
- 13:17Speaker 1: But eventually the truth came out. And there's this emotional
- 13:19Speaker 1: climax in the report. Deborah Christie recounts the moment her mother,
- 13:23Speaker 1: Donnie's sister, finally received Donnie's remains.
- 13:27Speaker 2: A moment 45 years in the making.
- 13:30Speaker 1: She said her mother hugged the remains and cried and
- 13:33Speaker 1: was just so happy.
- 13:36Speaker 2: Happy?
- 13:37Speaker 1: Yeah, happy. Which sounds strange at first, but when you
- 13:40Speaker 1: think about the immense weight of 45 years of grief
- 13:43Speaker 1: finally being exhaled.
- 13:45Speaker 2: It's the relief of certainty. The ambiguous loss is finally over.
- 13:51Speaker 1: It's incredible. Donnie's story is an absolute triumph of science,
- 13:56Speaker 1: but Elise Olson's new book reveals that the fight for
- 13:59Speaker 1: truth is actually still facing institutional roadblocks today.
- 14:03Speaker 2: Which is arguably the most frustrating part of this entire saga.
- 14:07Speaker 2: It makes my blood boil.
- 14:09Speaker 1: Because according to the book, Dr. Derrick has proven there
- 14:11Speaker 1: are at least 30 victims.
- 14:14Speaker 2: Not 27.
- 14:15Speaker 1: Right. The official count has been 27 since 1973. But
- 14:19Speaker 1: she found evidence of at least 30, possibly more.
- 14:23Speaker 2: New identifications.
- 14:24Speaker 1: Yes. But the medical examiner's office still refuses to officially
- 14:28Speaker 1: recognize some of these new identifications. Like the victim they
- 14:31Speaker 1: call Swimsuit Boy.
- 14:33Speaker 2: Which is just baffling.
- 14:35Speaker 1: So what does this all mean? If a top forensic
- 14:37Speaker 1: anthropologist who worked there for 20 years has the DNA
- 14:41Speaker 1: and osteological proof, why is there bureaucratic resistance to updating
- 14:45Speaker 1: an official record?
- 14:46Speaker 2: This raises an important question about how institutions protect themselves.
- 14:51Speaker 1: Protect themselves from what?
- 14:53Speaker 2: The truth. From the liability and embarrassment of their own
- 14:56Speaker 2: past mistakes. There's friction between independent scientific advancement and entrenched
- 15:03Speaker 2: institutional bureaucracy.
- 15:05Speaker 1: Because admitting the new number means admitting they missed something
- 15:07Speaker 1: in the 70s.
- 15:08Speaker 2: Exactly. Dr. Derrick has this very pointed remark. She says,
- 15:13Speaker 2: we are going to provide some very old identifications that
- 15:16Speaker 2: should have been done by police many years ago. Ouch.
- 15:20Speaker 1: Calling them out directly.
- 15:21Speaker 2: It highlights a system that is extremely reluctant to admit
- 15:25Speaker 2: its historical oversights. Updating a 50-year-old Capitol murder file requires
- 15:30Speaker 2: admitting the original investigation was flawed.
- 15:33Speaker 1: So they just drag their feet.
- 15:36Speaker 2: Bureaucracies preferred the status quo, even when the science proves
- 15:40Speaker 2: the status quo is wrong.
- 15:42Speaker 1: It's infuriating. But the book's revelations don't even stop at
- 15:46Speaker 1: the victim count.
- 15:47Speaker 2: No, Olson dug much deeper than that.
- 15:50Speaker 1: She exposed a much wider, much darker network.
- 15:53Speaker 2: The international aspect.
- 15:55Speaker 1: Yeah. Olson's book exposes Corll's ties to an international pornography ring.
- 16:00Speaker 2: Which completely changes the paradigm of this case.
- 16:02Speaker 1: I was absolutely shocked when I read this detail, because
- 16:06Speaker 1: it entirely changes the profile of the Candyman.
- 16:09Speaker 2: It does. We've been talking about him as this localized monster.
- 16:13Speaker 1: Right, some creepy guy in a Texas boomtown operating in
- 16:17Speaker 1: a vacuum.
- 16:18Speaker 2: But this shifts our understanding from a solitary horror to
- 16:22Speaker 2: a node in a global network of exploitation.
- 16:25Speaker 1: Meaning he wasn't just killing for his own twisted pleasure.
- 16:28Speaker 2: It suggests a potential profit motive.
- 16:31Speaker 1: He was monetizing these murders.
- 16:33Speaker 2: Or, at the very least, he had a community of enablers.
- 16:37Speaker 2: Monsters rarely exist in a total vacuum, you know.
- 16:40Speaker 1: There were people buying what he was selling.
- 16:41Speaker 2: Exactly. An international demand for his atrocities.
- 16:46Speaker 1: That is just, it adds a whole new layer of
- 16:48Speaker 1: evil to the story. And it really underscores what Olson
- 16:51Speaker 1: calls the lost potential of these young victims.
- 16:54Speaker 2: Dozens of futures just ground up in this global machinery.
- 16:59Speaker 1: Erased for profit. It's heartbreaking. So to wrap this up,
- 17:04Speaker 1: the incredible journey of this deep dive has taken us
- 17:07Speaker 1: from a time when police just assumed kids were running away.
- 17:11Speaker 2: A deadly institutional blind spot.
- 17:14Speaker 1: To a 17-year-old accomplice blowing the lid off the operation.
- 17:17Speaker 1: To a forensic scientist spending 20 years bringing boys like
- 17:21Speaker 1: Donnie Falcon home.
- 17:22Speaker 2: A true scientific crusade.
- 17:24Speaker 1: And it leaves us asking, why should you care about
- 17:27Speaker 1: this today? A case from 1973.
- 17:30Speaker 2: Because it's not just history.
- 17:32Speaker 1: Right. At the book launch, the warnings were stark. Lise
- 17:35Speaker 1: Olsen said, there are still people like this out there,
- 17:38Speaker 1: and teenagers need to know.
- 17:40Speaker 2: The predators haven't disappeared.
- 17:43Speaker 1: And Deborah Christie, the niece who finally got her uncle back,
- 17:46Speaker 1: she said, watch out for that candy man, because they're
- 17:48Speaker 1: out there.
- 17:49Speaker 2: It's a cautionary tale that is incredibly relevant for the present.
- 17:53Speaker 1: Which leads me to wonder about the modern equivalent.
- 17:56Speaker 2: Of all this. Consider this. If it took more than
- 17:59Speaker 2: 50 years, modern science, and a relentless investigator to finally
- 18:04Speaker 2: uncover the truth about a killer hiding behind an international
- 18:07Speaker 2: exploitation network in the analog 1970s.
- 18:10Speaker 1: With physical mail and actual boat sheds.
- 18:13Speaker 2: Right. What invisible decentralized networks of predation might be operating
- 18:18Speaker 2: right now?
- 18:19Speaker 1: Oh, man. That's a terrifying thought.
- 18:22Speaker 2: Hiding in the endless noise of our highly connected digital age.
- 18:26Speaker 1: Encrypted chats. The dark web.
- 18:29Speaker 2: Exactly. Just waiting for tomorrow's scientists to uncover them.
- 18:32Speaker 1: That is something to definitely mull over. Thank you for
- 18:36Speaker 1: joining us on this intense deep dive into the source material.
- 18:39Speaker 2: It's a heavy topic, but a necessary one.
- 18:42Speaker 1: Absolutely. Stay curious, keep asking the hard questions, and we'll
- 18:45Speaker 1: catch you on the next deep dive.